Scientist reacts to Carnivore Doctor on Joe Rogan
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2020
- Dr. Paul Saladino's claims on the Joe Rogan podcast: are they evidence-based? Yet another Joe Rogan podcast touching on nutrition...
Most plants are inedible, most animals are edible. Health effects?
Plants make chemicals called phytoalexins meant to dissuade animals from eating. we’ve assumed plants are good for us… what if these plant chemicals are not good for us?
so plants make chemicals to defend themselves so maybe they’re unhealthy for us to eat. are phytoalexins harmful?
phytoalexins have potent medicinal activities such as anticancer and neuroprotective properties. ‘the effects of alexins on human health highlight why scientists have suggested ‘mining’ plants for these molecules’
I’m not saying we should eat plants to get alexins, but this does not argue against eating plants.
we have to eliminate all plants (alexins and lectins) and all animals (TMAO and heme iron)?
there are no nutrients in plants you cant get from animals. essential nutrients? thousands of nutrients exclusive to plants (phytonutrients).
epidemiology is misleading
our ancestors ate very different diets, Some ate a lot of animals, some ate a lot of plants
early humans ate grass seeds, Sorghum. Oats. nuts, fruits, seeds, vegetables, and other plants.
anecdotes are weak as an argument to eat vegan, keto or meat all day
Everything has saturated fat. The problem is too much of some types of saturated fat
consuming PUFA in place of saturated fat reduces CHD in RCTs
eating unsaturated fats, predominantly found in plants, instead of saturated fat
here’s another meta-analysis of RCTs. “lowering saturated fat and replacing with polyunsaturated vegetable oil reduced CVD by ≈30%"
"lowering saturated fat and replacing it with unsaturated fat, especially polyunsaturated fat, will lower the incidence of CVD”
"reductions in cardiovascular outcomes when saturated fat = less than 10% of calories”
“The USDA DGAs recommends limiting saturated fat to less than 10% of calories”. that leaves room for some saturated fat richer foods if you want
if your cholesterol is really good you don’t need to worry as much, if it’s high chances are you could tweak the saturated fat and see some improvement
our body produces cholesterol, we don’t need to eat it but eating some cholesterol isn’t necessarily a problem. randomized clinical trial lowered LDL-cholesterol in 4k people. cardiovascular risk was reduced by 34% randomized clinical trial lowered LDL-cholesterol in 20k people. Coronary death was cut by 18% and major coronary events by 27%. randomized clinical trial lowered LDL-cholesterol in 4k people. It cut major coronary events by 24% and strokes by 31%. randomized clinical trial lowered LDL-cholesterol in 6k people
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References:
Alexins: link.springer.com/article/10....
TMAO: diabetes.diabetesjournals.org...
Ancestor diets:
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www.pnas.org/content/112/39/1...
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www.pnas.org/content/113/51/1...
Saturated fat:
journals.plos.org/plosmedicin...
www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/...
www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/...
health.gov/sites/default/file...
LDL:
www.sciencedirect.com/science...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673602093273
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7566020/
research.monash.edu/en/public...
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Norton/Bass fact-check: www.biolayne.com/articles/res...
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I think that the one, very important skill, that i got, from watching zour videos, is never to jump to conclusions. allways check everything even a little. even if it is logical to me. And I am thankfull to you for that! Its so easy to hear what you want and just believe it.
exactly. my PhD mentor used to say, when running experiments be skeptical of results you didn't expect and be MORE skeptical of results you expected. our minds are just too treacherous :)
I agree.
@@NutritionMadeSimple sound advice.
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Debate him, reach out sure he’d be up for it
Nah, waste of time. This video serves the purpose of informing the public. Debates are about ego.
@Natural Athlete These videos constitute dialogue. He took every argument made in the podcast, and responded to it. That guy can do the same in response to this video if he wishes. Live debates can be useful for dialogue, but they can be toxic too. It depends on the context around it. In the UA-cam world, debate challenges are often about gaining views/subscribers around the generated controversy. For all that effort and noise, you don't get that much more meaningful information.
Debates are about rhetoric. At least all debates I have seen. Feel free to reference a single example of a specific debate without this problem. I'll look into it.
Science does not include debate for a reason. They argue. Especially through peer-reviewed articles. But not through debates in order to identify scientific knowledge. Debates are more rhetorical in nature and focus on readily available and easily understandable knowledge and easy to communicate arguments. Not careful consideration of the arguments and data.
@@Proambler Good point. Everybody has their own beliefs in nutrition. Let's just review the science, if the science isn't there -let's try to use common sense :P
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos Smart! Yes, it's hard to pull up an article during a debate. :P
Our ancestors needed a diet that kept them alive long enough to reproduce. That’s essentially 15 to 25 years old. Lots of diets can do that. I’m concerned with what keeps me healthy for 80 or 100 years.
Underrated comment.
true ,,not of course spray with chemicals and why too many fat people in Texas i think DNA
variety, moderation, natural, whole (or low processing at least)
You must be american....some people were living 100 years 1000 or 10000 years ago aswell, the conditions to survive were diferent. No Mc fatty
Turns out the best diet for humans in 2022 is don’t eat anything ever
😹😭😭😭
No risk, no damage
Plant based diet
true!
Well actually, fasting (especially long term fasting) is incredibly healing. It kicks your body into autophagy. Now if you care to look it up you will see the scientist who discovered autophagy won a Nobel Prize.
I think you are the person I have been waiting for to clear some of this nutritional fog with clear logic fairly applied. Thank you.
Love your content! There's so many unfounded claims out there which in turn influence so many people. Your line of thinking objectively and asking the right questions should be on the national curriculum.
Excellent review of the topic. Very well articulated and it's great you have a strong understanding of how research methodology is so important for interpreting outcomes.
Great breakdown. Really appreciate this. There is so much completely contradictory evidence out there, it's damn near impossible to wade through at this point.
Saladino would definitely debate you, I'd love to see it.
AGREE! Would love to hear these two to sit down by the table, drink some tea (or bone broth in Saladino’s case lmao) and have a polite 1on1 scientific discussion😍
@@Jericho363 you’ve got great attitude tbh, don’t let yourself down!
I’m vegan myself, literally been following the exact diet of Dr. Gil’s and have no complains whatsoever. But it’s also ok to eat some animal products like you do! Just do as Gil advises: mostly plant-based, whole food diet with some animal products (hence, the meditteranean diet) is very productive and sustainable, in terms of scientific evidence.
Hahah dude I’d also like to persuade Saladino to debate/talk to Gil. Agree, I also think Gil’s arguments are much more comprehensive and are based on SOLID scientific evidence. Saladino is a psychiatrist and is notorious for biased, irrelevant and cherry-picked argumentation.
Nice to talk to you!✌🏽
@@Jericho363 Dont really understand your need for Paul to be shamed for his point of views.
As for looking at 1 video when hes talking to joe rogan who isn't a doctor maybe be his best choice and was probably the wrong way to approach it. But still doesn't make his belief or claims less valid.
Instead i think Gil is on the right track here by saying what it the over all general health from doing whatever diet you are doing/promoting. And dont think relying souly on science is a good idea either since back in the days hysterical women was recommended to smoke to calm down. Science always moves forward but only thanks to open conversation and ideas not by shaming people or playing on emotions.
@@Jericho363 No need to feel embarrassed or shame you came back with good points and humble approach so in my book no need to apologize for anything. Was nice talking to you and have a good weekend.
Salad Boy has NOTHING to debate. He is wrong in every way. His blood pressure is also way too high
Man I love your videos! Thanks for this. My nephew sent the podcast to me because I don’t eat meat. I was always looking for a response to that podcast and am glad I found yours.
This is a really calm, logical and most of all, reasonable video. Wish there was more of it, society needs them more than ever...
its rare to find someone whos objective on youtube or the internet i really enjoy how you approach your videos and the way you explain everything so the average joe can understand i very much appreciate your videos keep up the good work and thank you for bringing some evidence based arguments to these kind of videos
that maybe true but if he stays on youtube he wont be that way for long. the medium is the message. it will change you.
@@jeffhicks8428you based that statement on what? He’s been on this platform for years…
Came to this chamel when you were talking about game changers. And all this time after, I can only say thank you for all the effort and time put into these videos. I seriously believe that you promote the correct attitude and mentality towards nutrition science. Thank you Gil
I’m so thankful for you. You keep me sane in this world of ever changing nutrition theories. Each time I’m about to get lost in a rabbit hole, your sensibilities pull me back. God bless you and keep you. Thank you for all you do!
Thank you so much for your videos. I have been reading so much and feel like I get whiplashed between different nutritional viewpoints that I have no idea what to believe. So helpful
Thanks for taking the time, compiling all the literature data, and making these videos! much appreciated!
I eat only fruit, meat and dairy, no vegetables i have for rhe last three years, And it has only be beneficial to my life. No more bloating, and my psoriasis has subsided to nearly completely gone. As soon as i have patatos, or cucumber or rice or almost any vegetable my skin flares up. The diet Paul is proclaiming has been amazing for me and my health.
Fruits are close enough to vegetables anyways
@@williammclean6594not really
@@williammclean6594nah pal
yeah keep doing it I'll see u in ten years
@@crickymoreland4164 haha no worries lookng forward to your follow up with me in 10 years.
You should see if Joe will bring you on his podcast! I would love to see that episode!
Joe Rogan would be great. He is one of the few that will actually listen to most anything with an open mind.
This guy isn't worthy of being on Joe Rogans Podcast
@@tonyinfinity Yeah he doesn't have a rotten brain.
@@tonyinfinity Isn't worthy? LOL ok buddy
@SUPERNOVA I think most people with an academic understanding will agree it's actually quite the opposite.
One thing about what we are not considering is the genetic variability of the populations, which means that some people may respond better to one diet than to another depending on their genes. It is difficult to find studies that consider this possibility.
Nor that fact that some people react more to plant defense molecules than others.
It's like saying bread and gluten are fine because population data says it's fine.
Someone reacting more or less would be genetic.
Doesn't matter. There are enough studies including thousands of people concluding that lower LDL is better for cardiac health.
@@Morgainz88 Makes no sense. Lectins and oxalates are easily dealt with by cooking.
That's probably true for most people. I have low cholesterol, I want to reduce it even more with statins but I heard that statins can convert soft plaque into hard plaque. Even though, hard plaque is safer than soft plaque, soft plaque can be reversible but hard plaque can't and will increase your risk for increasing your blood pressure since arteries become less elastic. Any advice?
Thank you for taking on the “ancestral diet” arguments. I’m an archaeologist, and this drives me wild. Prehistoric peoples ate whatever they could derive food value from, including a lot of things we absolutely wouldn’t eat today. Whether or not that diet was “ideal” was not up for discussion, the question was would it get you to tomorrow, next week, next year. And over the millennia people have adapted to a wide range of environments which provide very different ranges of food choices. While the basic nutrients we all need is fairly consistent, the idea that there is one ideal diet that everyone will thrive on is (in my opinion, at least) pretty ridiculous.
I am really curious about some things that our ancestors ate that we absolutely wouldn't eat today. Got any examples??
@@Sbigsla A variety of insects. Mice, rats and such, small birds. Pretty much every part of every animal - including eyes and internal organs. Granted, there are people currently around who still eat many of these things, but the average mainstream modern human wouldn’t consider them remotely edible.
@@anna9072what does that have to do with their nutritional value though? Just because they aren’t modern foods doesn’t mean that they are bad for us. Those are very nutritious parts of an animal. The prehistoric diet is all about what nature provided for us, because biology has evolved for organisms to exist in an environment where every nutrient we could ever need is available, and we are genetically coded to crave foods with these nutrients. Early humans ate all of the right foods, the foods that we needed, because that was all that they had
But they are edible though right? So its because of culture and not nutritional value that we have abandoned these foods. I grew up in a culture where we ate a lot of these things (not mice, but I had friends whose families ate mice) and now it appears humans made a mistake in abandoning these foods after all, especially organ meats. As the other poster stated, we can argue that our bodies evolved to survive on these same foods that our prehistoric ancestors ate. And now that we have so radically changed our diets, is it any wonder that we're dealing with some many weight related issues?
Conversely, most of what is found in supermarkets today was not available 100 years ago, and further back. That, and most available meats are leaner, as the fatty megafauna is gone.
Parabéns! Prezado Dr. Gil Carvalho...eu tenho estudado muito e visto um grande número de vídeos de especialistas, colegas de pesquisa pelo mundo, trabalhos publicados, entretanto, o seu raciocínio e excelente forma de correlacionar os dados, é o mais equilibrado e embasado. Eu agradeço imensamente pelo seu trabalho, entrevistas e análises. Abraços fraternos do Brasil, São Paulo.
Nao acho que o Gil Carvalho entenda portugues , apesar de ser luso descendente.
People "feel good" when they're drunk as well
And I felt _terrible_ the moment I stopped drinking! Never doing that again. Why would nature design a molecule that's naturally present in fruits that's harmful to us? It makes no sense.
by the same argument you can also say people feel good when they do drugs and they'll also crave it, but doesn't mean they are healthy.
No, they feel drunk, the difference is huge, there is a difference between feeling healthy and what you define as "good"
Or joe rogan..drunk and stoned. Yea. I feel 😊
@@lululove6175feeling good thanks to hormone replacement therapy baby! Just like the ancestors!
This guy is it. I’ve been waiting for someone this reasonable and measured for so long. I’m not sure how I haven’t found you up until this point. What a relief
We need about 100 Gil Carvahlo's to explain politics & economics to people.
@@presence5426 does he talk about those things as well? I’ll have to look up his talks on those subjects!
@@anthonyd9426 I don't think so. He's probably got his hands full with nutrition, lol!
Tell me about it! And look at all the dislikes. He doesn't agree with certain fad diets and, apparently, that upsets some people.
@@presence5426 good point!
I've been falling into the carnivore rabbit hole these last few days and this video is, without a doubt, the best one I've seen as it pertains to arguing the facts against some of the fantastical claims. Really liked that it was informed by the evidence but also that you recognised the lived experiences of people who may feel better on a certain diet. Great work. New subscriber here for sure.
I was in a similar boat - not full carnivore, but eating a lot of meat under the influence of certain things seen on UA-cam. I was convinced, based on a previous attempt, that I could get enough energy from a plant-based diet. This channel, and, especially, Plant Chompers, which I thnk is one of the all-time great UA-cam channels, have completely turned things around for me. I'm fully plant-based now, it's working and I feel great.
@@JohnMoseleyWhy jump from one extreme to the other? Animal products have their place in a healthy diet as well. It's simply important to maintain the appropriate ratios.
@@BasedChadman The way I'm eating now doesn't feel like an extreme, though obviously I understand why you use the term. It's only an extreme to me in that it's extremely satisfying. I don't miss or feel deprived of anything.
I originally switched mainly for health and environmental reasons under the influence of Plant Chompers, but since then I've watched a lot of Earthling Ed and I agree with him that I can't see a reason to kill or harm an animal for food if I don't need to. His debates on college campuses on the ethics of this are the best source I've found on this and I recommend them.
how many meals a day and average calorie count?@@JohnMoseley
@@googanslayer6675 the moment people bring up calorie count I really can’t help but think “eating disorder”, it should be about nutrients. calories are only one part of nutrition. think about all the nutrients you can and can’t get from a carnivore (and vegan) diet
This is such a fantastic resource. Thank you for talking me off (multiple) diet ledges.
"toxic chemicals made by plants to deter insects, should we be ingesting them?"
should we talk about it over a cup of coffee?
Nah...let's go have a beer
Doc, you speak so clear and easy to understand. When I watch a lot of videos on this subject, people keep throwing random terms and mention random things without explaining, it made me so confused
This channel is real gem. So rare to find a channel that prioritizes intellectual rigor and integrity, by placing the methodological tools of Science in the hands of viewers. This short-fall is the work of viewers themselves, because most of them don't know the difference.
He is a very accomplished researcher and doctor. I believe he may be taking time off working on this channel, which benefits us UA-cam watchers greatly. He did research at Cal Tech for awhile, which is one of the most prestigious research universities in the world. Many, many Nobel laureates researched at that university. Check out that list on Wikipedia.
Indeed. Are there any more channels like this one?
Joe Rogan is a gr8 talker but he panders to conspiracy and "alternate" theories wayyyy too much
I just found your channel and have to say “well done!!”. I love your videos! I would love to know your thoughts and some scientific facts, if you have any, on hair mineral testing. It seems that this test can help out with getting clear on what we individually need in terms of nutrition and genes and also looks at our metabolism and toxins. This would be super helpful! Thank you so much 🙏🏼 Keep up the good work! 💜
Very informative, calm and respectful. Props to you sir
These carnivore types often forget the gatherer part of hunter gatherer.
@@yingyang1008 There are edible plants, berries and mushrooms in most if not all European forests, no reason to think your particular forest would be any different. You might have to do some research and look around a bit more as they're not quite as visually obvious as a deer.
@@yingyang1008 I didn't suggest you source your entire caloric intake from those things. You said "I grew up next to a forest in Europe, I can't think of anything that could be gathered". I replied that you probably weren't looking very hard since forests contain heaps of edible plants and fungi. You seem to have trouble reading I guess. Maybe it's the lack of phytochemicals in your diet? lmao
@@yingyang1008 Roots are a thing, also nuts. Also its hard to judge this, since forests back then probably looked WAY different
@@yingyang1008 There wouldve been a completely different distribution of all different kinds of trees and shrubbs, including possibly a bunch that have gone extinct due to the heavy deforestation and forestry in europe. Also i think youre underestimating heavily what nature can produce. A single chestnut tree gives 50Kg chestnuts. And people back then werent so stupid not to store that stuff. Because they actually did store seeds before inventing agriculture. You can find roots all year long. And gathering that stuff will make you use up far less kalories than hunting. Than you have that whole thing about storing energy as body fat. We dont need to constantly eat 2000 cal to survive. If humans have a shelter and there is nothing to be gathered, they might as well sit in their shelter and save alot of energy.
Also think about this: If there was that little to be gathered, how come boars survived? They eat basically the same stuff as we humans, minus the meat. And we have way easier access to those things.
I think whether they were primarily hunters depends on the time period. Before inventing weapons? Hell no,
unless you mean hunting mice and rats and hamsters, because that is actually something i could imagine them eating failry often when it comes to meat. Maybe rabbits and birds if they were lucky. But i dont think they regulary ate deer, even after inventing basic weaponry. Because its still extremely difficult and energy intensive to kill one even with throwing speers.
No, actually you know what i find far more likely? They were just fishing alot, that is far easier and also available all year. Back in the day there were even crabs in our rivers. That stuff is also something boars dont have access too
@@reallyanotheruser7290 Boars eat meat too. I think a lot of the early hunting was done by scaring a herd of animals towards a cliff to where animals get pushed off by animals in the back when trying to stop.
Gil, I can't believe your channel isn't the de facto go to health channel on UA-cam. Your ability to help us see with objectivity on both sides of the fence and navigate all this noise of "eat this, not that" is astounding. I get that alot of this stems from human psychological fallacies (rampant in political siding, my religion is best because... , online money making gurus selling $5000 courses to name but a few) but to have people like yourself willing to commit the time/effort and present super clear info for the rest of us is truly a blessing. Just wanted to say how grateful I/we are!
thanks!! I appreciate it! :)
I completely agree!
Agreed!
Glad people are seeing this.
Cos most people don't search for factual information but rather they seek for bias confirmation.
Your videos are improving my health like none other. You’re the best, thank you!
As a non native speaker, I don't usually fully understand educational videos like these especially when it's about nutrition. But my brain just digested your videos super easily that I didn't have to pause the video not even once. I immediately subscribed by the end of it lol.
Beautiful display of intellectual honesty, rigour and a deep understanding of the scientific method and mindset as well as clear expertise on the current literature. Truly great work! I find so many videos and people I know make arguments based on weak sources or their feelings, so this is a breath of fresh air.
From what I understand, the “processing” methods of foods like grains legumes etc were done much differently by our ancestors. Involved soaking and fermenting the grains and making them as nutrient dense as possible and always coveting the fat and organs of the animals.
What’s your take on that?
certainly possible, and also possible (and likely) that both animals and plants are not the same as they used to be in the ancestral environment (have been extensively bred etc), those differences emphasize how uninformative the presumed ancestral habits are for our modern dietary choices, and in contrast how modern studies are by far the best heuristic since they look at the effect of modern foods in defined conditions
@@NutritionMadeSimple just stumbled upon your channel and I love your content and how you interact with your viewers.. responding on a Saturday? Respect!!
That makes a lot of sense.. I always wonder when people make the comparison of our ancestors eating so much animal fats, i assume it certainly wasn’t cows but more so buffalo, elk, deer etc that were completely foraging on more than just grass (berries, moss, etc) meat these days even if pasture raised probably wouldn’t be nearly as healthy?
@@NutritionMadeSimple just reread your comment and you completely answered that already lol. Thanks man!
@@jackg5278 I've seen papers guess-timating ancient prey at ~7% saturated fat (extremely lean). so yeah wild deer *might* be in the neighborhood but commercial cattle likely way off. the sparse data on grass-fed animals suggests few if any differences from grain fed... (I touched on it in one of the game changers videos)
@@NutritionMadeSimple gotcha.. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for this video. You are one of the most balanced, fair, objective and clear channels on nutrition out there.
Good name there boy! The inventor, Marconi, died at 62 from chronic exposure to electrical, electromagnetic and radio frequencies. He was an Italian nobleman who should have lived into his eighties. Such energies were a major contributor to 'Spanish Flu' (1918-19) -- together with the crude frack scenes of the time -- and continue to cripple with cancers, nausea and malaise.
First of all thank you for this easy-to-understand video.
I ask myself.. what happened to just eating a balanced diet? Everything is so extreme now. *Only* plant based. *Only* animal products. What about just eating both and instead just trying to avoid industrially processed foods?
an "only" plant based diet can still be a balanced diet. Having a balanced diet is still the most important thing healthwise.
@@chimp09bioavailable protein is not sufficient from plant sources.
@@accountname5626 protein is really of no concern if you eat 1 or 2 servings of legumes daily and whole grains whenever you eat grains.
The bioavailability topic is overblown by the anti vegan community. If you eat for example only chickpeas and nothing else, you need roughly 30% more protein. As soon as you eat a grain, that number goes down.
@@chimp09
What about B12? People with vegetarian diets need to supplement it. Thus it can never be a balanced diet.
I am a vegan myself, btw.
The composure and objectivity is great!
However, consider this:
Cavemen DID hunt whatever they could, but what was available to them hadn't been contaminated by mass-scale industrial and synthetic revolution yet.
Edible plants were WILD, RARE, insufficiently sized and not the core of their diet.
Look at the Aboriginal Australians for example, the native people of my home country and believed oldest culture alive today. It's not hard to immerse yourself in the bush in Australia as indigenous people lived for 60,000 years, and when you do if you were to search for edible plants/nuts/legumes/roots, it's nearly impossible. You can't really go around eating the leaves, the wild berries and fruits (which are TINY compared to modern variants) you can't consume the bark or dirt or branches.
Truth is there's no cultivated pasture teeming with perfectly coloured and pest-free vegetables or fruit to fill you up!. No because reality is much harsher than that.
Solution ?
Use weapons (spears, knives, boomerang) to hunt and consume wild game (possums, kangaroo, turtles, wallaby).
You might sour at the 'scientific' deficit in my reasoning, but I urge you to understand that science is an endeavour, rarely is it an answer. Understand the importance of real-world anecdotal reality. Try yourself to escape modernity and forage enough plant food in nature to satisfy your stomach. You have the power of google, find out what flora is 'edible' that grows wild near you. Make it work for a day, then a week. Now try live off it. Enjoy the diarrhoea.
Hunting fauna, particularly ruminant animals was the answer for our ancestors and well-raised ethical animal meat consumption is still the answer today.
I'll preface by saying that appeals to nature are a logical fallacy of little use in this discussion relative to contemproary research, but my issue with your argument is that reference one civilization.
I've been curious about this topic for a while and the only thing that seems certain is that evidence for human dietary preferences are inconclusive. It seems *some* humans in some places primarily are meat, but by and large the people who study ancient humans can't actually agree on what diets primarily consisted of, or believe the diets were very regional.
Opportunistic omnivores seems like the most sensible description for ancient humans. Dietary decisions today should be based on scientific evidence.
Huge contribution to understanding dietary advice in regards of Lipids. Really. Thank you. I've been struck with all these self proclaimed 'carnivore' doctors in the past few months and I love your 'from the ground up' approach. Thank you for comparing the different types of studies and ranking them in the terms of significance. I'm a biologist in the making and this is helping me to understand science and scientific publications.
thanks! it's stunning how most misunderstandings around nutrition online sit on the same basic misconceptions
Sounds like Dr. Paul Saladino should be talking about anything except nutrition and health.
Hva?
This is the type of doctor I need and what we all need! Most of these debate videos are just cringe, but you absolutely helped me think more about this, and gave me hope. Thank you!
I really appreciate this commentary on some of this discussion. Helpful thoughts in pursuing health and truth.
I love how you don’t take sides and you allow the science to speak. I feel better informed after each of your videos. Thank you! 🙏
We face perennial problems of self-deception. Your sober, careful and refined analyses are immeasurably valuable and needed more than ever. Thank you!
The guy says his arterial plaque score is zero, but I've heard it isn't the hard plaque that shows up on the test that is dangerous, but the soft plaque that doesn't show up on the test, that is the dangerous plaque. Great discussion! I'm suspicious of clinical studies where phamaceutical companies are involved.
You are correct. I heard a guy say his calcium score went down after he went carnivore. I don't bother with responding in these cases because it is hopeless.
Getting nutritional advice from the Joe Rogan Show is like taking your car to the dentist for maintenance.
The more I watch Gil’s videos the more I like them. He is fair and respectful. I don’t agree with all of his conclusions regarding saturated fat and cholesterol but he does provide useful analysis.
His conclusion comes from literally the most objective look at the scientific consensus
You’re free to disagree with it, but an apple will fall when you toss it up
I found it amusing that one of the ads interrupting this video was an ad about "Beef".
I have rocks in my yard that are more intelligent than Joe Rogan!
Lectins and Oxalates are not good for some people. So, let people eliminate through diet and see what makes sense to them. My daughter is gluten sensitive. She feels so much better when she doesn’t have gluten. Sometimes gluten sneaks in because she ate meatballs at someone’s house that contained bread crumbs she wasn’t told about. She feels rough. Her paternal grandmother died of colon cancer, Italian, pasta every day. Her dad carries 2 celiac genes, gave up gluten too, all gastro issues resolved. I can eat bread. I don’t though because it makes me crave bread to the exclusion of all other things and it’s not fair to my family when they can’t. I make other bread for all of us and we love it, flax almond coconut flour and psyllium husk, egg whites……all that to say, just try some things, eat whole foods and feel better.
Priceless info! Thanks a lot Gil!!
One suggestion: If you add Spanish captions to your videos (as well as other languages) you would be reaching a much bigger audience... I just want to share this video with the world!
Thanks again!! 😀
If you have the time to do it, you can actually add Spanish subs to YT vids. I don't remember the details right now but if you search YT there are vids on it. Spanish is a good one because it's so widely spoken.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 Thanks! I'll look into it.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 from what I've seen, it seems that I can only add subtitles to videos I uploaded on my YT channel. This actually makes sense. I don't think YT would let anyone to add captions to someone else's videos just like that. Maybe there is a way...? But I'm guessing it would require coordination with the owners of the channel, and their permission, of course.
Your videos are all so informative but this one is by far my favorite! Thank you, thank you
The best part of this channel isn't even the content, but to be able to observe and learn how to read and interpret scientific studies objectively and logically. It's a skill that if everyone had it, would change the world.
What I appreciate the most about your videos is the lack of emotionality.... There's so many endless perspectives on so many endless topics these days. Adding emotion and extremism to the mix just makes wading through the information exhausting. I appreciate your style, Doc.
Very well said. Thanks for the great sleuthing, insight, and references.
Thanks for ALWAYS such a profund and generous analysis of this topics Gil. Life saving work.
Wait, by what means does resveratrol help the body? In that paper you show, it says "mining" plants. Once again, by what means? Digestion or some other method? And is the body actually able to extract the beneficial elements from said plants via digestion and of what percentage? Source(s)?
After watching tons of UA-cam channels on nutrition and diet,at last found a reliable channel.Thanks
I’m tardy to the party. Every other video I watched where people debate Dr. Saladino’s diet was basically a non-science based attack. This video is the most comprehensive analysis I have seen, and I would like to thank you for deterring me from trying a diet based on hollow scientific principles that could be harmful, or, at the very least, is highly misleading.
Thank you Gil for being a breath of fresh air among all the cacophony out there
Not all liquids are potable; therefore, we should not drink water.
Exactly, you should be drinking beer!
Jk
Half way through, refreshing straight to the point manner. Enjoying your approach.
Just discovered your channel. Great, cool-headed explanation of facts!
I’m an associate professor of neuroscience and a long-standing member of the chemosensory field. My specific expertise is in the taste system. The taste system evolved to serve ingestion of essential nutrients (electrolytes, carbohydrates, and amino acids) and prevent us from ingesting potentially harmful plant toxins (alkaloids). Plant alkaloids are perceived as bitter and are innately avoided. Some of the most toxic substances we know of come from plants, and they will kill you. Some good examples are strychnine and nicotine.
These are well known and essentially not debatable facts about the evolution and purpose of the taste system, as an insurmountable evidence exists.
HOWEVER, most of the plants we eat have been cultivated over many years and a large amount of bitter alkaloids have been bred out. A small amount of toxins may actually be beneficial and I don’t want to get into all of that here, but the point here is the plants we consume from the grocery store are not toxic to us like they are to insects. If they were toxic enough to cause harm, they would be very very bitter. So, you can trust your taste system in that regard.
There’s many mechanisms to prevent us from starving to death, but little to prevent us from over eating. So, simple carbohydrates are highly palatable, because the chances of coming across that in nature, without issues (bee stings when you try to get honey foe example) are rare.
If you find yourself in the wild, I wouldn’t suggest trying to survive on plants unless you have a great knowledge of them. Better to eat meat in that case. BUT, like I said, most of us don’t live like that…so eat a variety of foods to get your protein, fats, vitamins, and minerals. Extreme in any direction isn’t necessary and is unlikely best.
very interesting, tks for the insight!
@@NutritionMadeSimple even more interesting when you look at the evolution of medium and long wavelength cones in the retina and the importance of color discrimination. Lots of plants (nightshades best example) produce toxic alkaloids such as nicotine and derivatives of nicotine and store them in their leaves. They would therefore be bitter and innately avoided. The plant does this, because the leaves are their “solar panels” and requires them to make fruit and produce seeds. Fruits are often yellow, orange, and red. The plant benefits from animals eating fruit, especially birds, because they broadcast their seeds.
The wavelengths of light that activate medium wavelength cones (which are essential for producing the perception green) and long wavelength cones (which are responsible for producing the perception red) are only 30nm apart. But “blue” wavelengths which primarily activates S cones, is 100nm apart. So, green and red perception are very dissimilar (but more physically similar in wavelength than blue and green) but serve an important evolutionary purpose…better to eat the red fruit and live then eat green leaves and face consequences. We are a multi sensory organism and use many sensory systems to aid in our survival.
But like I said…most likely not a problem when you buy your food from a grocery store, which has vetted all the plants for you, lol! These are old systems (taste and smell the oldest), but for industrialized countries this isn’t an issue. I don’t subscribe that being a carnivore or omnivore is THE way to live. Best to get nutrients from a variety of sources. Keep putting the time in on your videos. You will help a lot of people who are on the fence about going to an extreme form of dietary lifestyles
@@nnggghhaa3709 yes. Plants we eat still have alkaloids. They just don’t have enough to kill you. But in the wild, it’s not worth the chance to eat plants unless you’re very knowledgeable of them. Do you find Brussel sprouts very bitter? Everyone is a bit different, but if you can taste “PTC paper” then it would explain a lot. It’s a compound that separates people into categories based on taste sensitivity. It’s genetically linked
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Appreciate you sharing.
What about fruit? There are many people that believe fruit is the only real source of food for humans?
The more I learn about nutrition the more I am reminded of the old saying...."All things in moderation"....a little saturated fat is okay....a few carbs is okay....a few vegetables are okay....a little meat is okay. We seem to run into trouble when our diets predominantly consist of only certain foods. I personally don't believe, based on evidence, that eating nothing but animal products is the best choice. Nor do I believe that eating nothing but fruits and vegetables is the best choice. For me personally....keeping carbs low...doing away with excessive amounts of saturated fat and sugar, processed or natural....moderate protein....and daily exercise....has given me the best results. I base this not only on how I feel...but first and foremost on what my blood work tells me.
The most hilarious part of the eat meat like a caveman theory is cavemen walked miles and sometimes days before they could catch game - and then they ate every organ
Folks wolf down steaks they bought at the grocery store and call it caveman
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Exactly. They're forgetting the lifestyle part of it.
Yeah i think it always comes back down to the individual. Im overweight, i tried carnivore numerous times, it just doesnt agree with me. I always feel greasy and sludgy and my digestion sucks. I tend to do best on mostly plants with a small amount of healthy protein like fish or a very small portion of steak.
"this is like a master class in beating around the bush" 🤣🤣🤣 perfect lol
i scrolled across this and it started playing and caught my attention. YOU made SO many great points that i havent heard and just kinda like lightbulbs turning on. i like you, thank you.
A population study can be helpful as a general guide but on an individual basis the conflicting opinions from different doctors can be very helpful. For instance I chose keto, reduced my A1C, lost 30+ lbs, increased hdl, and reduced tgl. My LDL is still high. Therefore I am now reducing saturated fat, adding more salads and berries to my diet. We'll see what the results are in a few months but my expectation is an improvement in all areas. Watching these videos has also tipped me off that vegetable oils were causing inflammation. Since removing from my diet, Acne is dramatically improved and my developing arthritis has improved. A population study would say vegetable oils are not inflammatory but for me it is. Key point: educate yourself and do what's best for you.
Thats a very wise approach I believe a ketogenic lifestyle is healthy for the majority but every person is different so it's best people educate themselves and adapt as they move forward because there's no one diet that is perfect for everyone. I think as long as we cut out ultra processed foods we can't go far wrong
We have known ( at least in Europe) for years that saturated fats are bad for health. The US has one of highest levels of obseity in the world, which is not surprising when one looks at the diet of the average America.
I went on a low-carb, mostly plant-based diet and noticed that my total cholesterol fell from 147 to 99 mg/dl, and my LDL from 70 to 37 mg/dl over a period of 6 weeks. Precisely, I cut out sugar completely and replaced it by the amino acid glycin and I cut out all starchy foods. Also, I cut out all animal-based foods except having salmon 2 or 3 times a week. And I cut out all plant oils except olive oil, of which I took several table spoons daily. Protein sources were: plenty of nuts, tofu, lentils, beans, and salmon. I drank plenty of cacao (prepared with nut milk or soy milk plus glycin), matcha green tea, breakfast was mostly a mixture of fruits with ground seeds (chia, flax seed, pumpkin seed, sesame) and nut milk, plus a big glass of cacao. Lunch mostly lentil soup or beans and a big salad. Dinner either tofu with veggies or salmon and veggies. Overall, I did not lose weight (6'3, 225 lbs, muscular), I did feel well however felt that my body did miss animal products (especially eggs and dairy). I'm now back on a mixed diet and added some eggs, 1 glass of cow's milk daily, and occasional chicken again. Feeling better with this, but have not yet checked my cholesterol again.
@@tenmillionvolts You are right, about sugar. but nonetheless the evidence is well known for years that saturated fat is not good for you. Like everything it depends on your age, physical activity and metabolism. My philosophy is moderation in everything.
@@tenmillionvolts You are right I also lost weight cutting out all sugar, carbs and regretfully alcohol. Net affect after two months I lost 9 kilos.
Shortly after this video he introduced carbohydrates as he'd been suffering heart palpations, stomach issues and a significant deline in his testosterone, things which have all improved since turning his back on the carnivore diet lol.
Really?
@@venkkandadai6042 💯 look it up
It is because of insulin suppression
Wow that was great thank you. I am glad Dr Avi reffered me to your channel. So on the money or should I say on the science. I like the longer videos too
Thanks so much for your unbiased analytical approach to forming an opinion.
Paul Saladino has already changed his mind on 100% carnivore. So he does not even believe what he was saying any longer.
but there are many people who still believe in this carnivore delusion, so this video serves the purpose of debunking this pseudo-science
Of course. It's just nonsense 😂
I would respect somebody MORE for realising their mistakes and actually addressing the most up to date info. Rather than someone rigidly sticking to an agenda.
So, within the three years since this video was made he has finally woken up! No surprises.
But again, as one says only imbeciles never change their mind 😂
You've made so much sense. I do about 70% veg 30% meat and exercise 6 days a week.
I am a a fan of JRE and also a fan of people intelligently offering detailed information that requires us to think for ourselves. TY
I learned from your videos and agree with your approach and points of view. Thank you so much for offering data and backed information. I was skeptical with the carnivore wonders promoted on the media. Now your info helped me to clarify myself. Thanks
I have ulcerative colitis, an inflammable bowel disease. Fiber, chlroine in tap water, plant foods, vegetables, fruits all affect me negatively in a flare up. It prevents healing causes more inflammation and is overall a bad choixe for me. What allows healing is organic meat water and salt. Its not an optimal human diet, but its a tool i use to prevent blood, mucus, urgency, and hospitalisation that the health care proffesionals refuse to use as a tool, but will happily bring you a plate full of whole wheat bread, vegetables, fruits, cakes, sauces, and think thats okay?
Carnivore i dont think should be used by a person who is healthy already eating their vegetables, meats, and fruits, but for those of us with health conditions autoimmune, or otherwise, where carnivore is the only solid option in terms of relief, remission and the feeling of a normal life, its whats best, until proper healing can occur for us then to re introduce vegetables based on our tolerance towards them so we know what our bodies can and cant handle.
I see these people in the same way I look at flat Earthers
My father-in-law has always had cholesterol levels approximately 150 with low ldl and a good ratio. He had a massive heart attack, several strokes, and now Alzheimer's. All conditions presented in his early seventies.
He never drank or smoked, but he never exercised and did shift work.
do you know if he had high lp(a)? thats a lipid risk factor that's elevated in approx 1 out of 5 people
Amen to you sir, the world has gone crazy big time...
I get and respect his arguments, but certainly personal empirical data counts too, no? I was sick all my life (gut wise) until I eliminated plants from my diet. I’m not going to go back to being sick and miserable because of arguments in peer-reviewed studies.
absolutely. science doesn't replace well-being. that would beat the purpose.
the hope is that it can help figure out and resolve the underlying issue(s).
example: ua-cam.com/video/FdQexSS0lOg/v-deo.html
It's not that it doesn't count. It's just that anecdotal information is prone to misdirection because people tend to frame their own experiences in particular ways regardless if it's actually the best explanation or not. It's the same way tons of people claim to have had their health improved from a gluten free diet, which may very well be the case, but scientifically, there is little to no reason to think it's the removal of gluten itself to attribute those improvements for most people. Most likely, it's that getting away from white bread and sugar/salt heavy pastry types has improve their health, which you often won't get if you take anecdotal data at face value.
It's very likely the same thing with regard to you removing any and all plants. And the vast majority of nutrition science would encourage you to keep an open mind about reintroducing at least some plants to your diet Berries, nuts, and cruciferous vegetables in particular would be good to start off with
This is great. I love how you breakdown everything in a very understanding way.
Thank you so much for this explanation. This is one of what I need to understand about nutrition better. Again, Thanks a lot. Such a great video ^^
It's always some dumb sh&t
Don't eat fruit, don't eat carbs, don't eat vegetables. I'm surprised they don't tell us to not drink water!
THEY do tell you to avoid water😂😂😂
Your vids are always so informative!!
Hello! I love your videos because they are very informative and well articulated. I do have one question about cholesterol, everything goes back to high LDL, but is it really that bad to have high LDL if you have low triglycerides? what if you cholesterol is high but they check your arteries and there is no sign -whatsoever- of atherosclerosis...? is this possible?
For instance, in those randomized clinical trial that you mentioned at the end of the video, did those subjects have high LDL PLUS high triglycerides? or did they have low triglycerides? Because it's an important difference if I am not mistaken...Is it always NECESSARY lowering high LDL, disregarding how low or high triglycerides may be?
Thanks!
they're both indicators of the same thing, ApoB, or number of particles. so in general we want them both in the healthy range. and yes it's possible to have high LDL-cholesterol and not be at high risk (although it's not the norm), again depending on ApoB
explained here: ua-cam.com/video/ntD4eN-9t-Q/v-deo.html
@@NutritionMadeSimple Thank you for replying so fast and for the link! I will check it out :)
@@NutritionMadeSimple It's not the norm because eating that way is not the norm.
There is a group of people just being studied dubbed ‘Lean Mass Hyperresponders’ that have VERY HIGH LDL but or otherwise very healthy by various other bio markers. This study is just beginning and will take years to determine how these people fair health wise as compared to the more typical overweight person with similar markers. The reason such a study is so vital for a more critical understanding in lifestyle health factors is because studies evaluating health from LDL alone only show relative improvement of about 36%. So what about these other 63%? Who are these people and why are they not suffering significant illness or death from the same so called BAD parameters? I am in this group, therefore, am waiting anxiously for the completion of this study.
I don't listen to Joe Rogan, but I heard about this. Amazing the reach some can have.
I come back to this video often because it’s a well done breakdown of the common fallacies made by some influencers with the layman in mind. Thanks again doc!
He’s eating carbs now 😂
who?
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I rarely ever write comments, its going to be - probably - my 5th time, but You Sir, well deserve it. Your work and attitude is extremely high standard, I ( and we) can only thank you very very much for this channel. Keep it up please!
We are honoured and bestowed by your commentary. Thank you
Awesome video! I enjoy your non-bias take as always! And i never knew that about dark chocolate! I always assumed the saturated fat in dark chocolate was an issue, so i tended to opt for coco-powder.. :)
Feelings are not facts. Some people stop at feelings, which are not facts. Nor are they evidence or science.
Saladino had a plaque reading of zero. Presumably this was the from a CC scan - which only shows calcified plaque. He may still have soft plaque, which is more dangerous. He had been a vegan for years prior to taking up keto/ carnivore as well.
I found this video very helpful. I am in process of finding out my ideal diet and I got good pointers from this video.
I know you have your 5 meta analyses covering millions of people, but if this heroin is really killing me, then why is it making me feel so good?
In all seriousness, thanks for doing these responses man. I can't make it through some of this stuff without somebody talking me through my frustration.
I read some years back that pure heroin have minimum adverse effects. The problem is with everything that comes with it. It's just hard to get 100% pure heroin. But don't quote me on scientific validity of this information :D
@@mateuszw383 The grant committee to the researchers that submitted that proposal: "Nice try." 😛
I recently replaced my vegan diet with a pure heroine diet. Long story short: I am now the envy of all mankind. But BIG VEGETABLE is trying to silence the truth with their “clinical studies”.
Thank you very much for clarifying all this 👍
The ancestral diet is a perfect framework for the human diet. It's the reason that most people eating most whole food diets find health, whether paleo or vegan. Paleolithic man didn't eat Cheetos, and that is 90% of the battle.
Paleolithic man ate whatever he could find. This is an annoying point that gets brought up. We didnt eat optimally when we had to survive the wilderness everyday. This is the fallacy of nature
Our ancestors ate what they could find including stuff that is definitely not good for humans because they couldn't be picky
Do you actually think that broccoli and bananas today look anything like the things that our ancestors could eat? Our ancestors would eat literally anything, depending on how hungry they were. Sometimes they are healthy things. Sometimes they ate things that were unhealthy, but which wouldn't kill them untill many years later, at which point they would have already been mauled to death by a bear. Sometimes they ate poison and died. They didn't always "eat healthy"
Cheetos aren't food
The Paleo diet is a diet of scarcity!!
Sure eating meat is nutrient dense and lots of fat etc, but our ancestors didn't eat often for the simple fact that you would have had to hunt to get your food, and often hunts were unsuccessful. Joe Rogan and co would have you believe that eating a huge steak every day is what our ancestors did. It's completely delusional. They also ate vegetation too as food was scarce. Eating a Paleo diet every day is not optimal for most people. I think meat is fine, but must be consumed less in most people's diets.