12:23 - This is my favorite part. It's nice to hear from someone who understands there is a proper place and time for everything. 24fps when shown to the viewer vs 30fps when told to the camera, I love it!
Thanks, this is a great video. At 3:00 when the traffic at the left swaps from 24 FPS to 30 FPS there is certainly a difference in how true-to-life it looks. I'm sticking to 30 FPS from now on.
It needs to be mentioned though that what you see there is not true 24fps as it's contained in a 30fps video - it looks more stuttery, less even more specifically, than proper 24fps. But then again, there's no way to properly compare it in one video, at least not unless YT supports 120fps videos, with an even divider for both framerates.
Great video. One thing that is always forgotten in frame rate discussions/explanations is how the film is viewed. If we are talking UA-cam as distribution channel we cannot forget that phones, tablets, laptops and other flatscreens are, today, in most cases and independent of where in the world (NTSC/PAL) 30 or 60 hz based. Showing 24 fps on a 30 hz screen will just result in pulldown recreating 6 missing frames for every second adding to any already existing 24 fps stutter…
Great explanation, this is my 4-5th video about the difference between 24vs30 and what is better, and your explanation really resonates The comparison when you trow the phone in the air was massive, with 24 my mind just had to follow the object and costing effort to predict it, while at 30 I could just kind of relax and take the whole frame-size in more, exactly the style I would want for my video's. "24 when the story is shown, 30 when the story is told" - amazing sentence, I'm convinced and finally feel secure to shoot my video's in 30 fps when I start next year. Thanks for the help!
The GH5 has the 180 degree shutter and it makes 24 frames look gorgeous and it fixes what you are talking about. I also hated that and noticed that with these mirrorless cameras and I am hesitant to buy the A7S iii because it doesnt have the degree shutter
One of my biggest regrets when I started vlogging was listening to all the 24 fps proponents and not using 30 fps right from the beginning. I've had fewer, if any, glitches with 30 fps during editing and none when uploading. It's much easier for me to pull stills from 30 fps, too, especially for thumbnails.
I look forward to that. I'm still a beginner with all these things, so I would appreciate a video like that. Being able to take stills from the video is just one of those ways to reduce friction for me. Creating thumbnails separately from the video itself just feels like a barrier to creation at this point. Be awesome to see your process with video stills.
Nicely thought about, Jeff... I've been wanting to try 30fps for a while, (off camera), but when it comes time to shooting, I'm on auto-pilot and just assume 24fps is a 'solid' foundation (much like the rules for 1/180 shutter, WB, etc)... but I'm going to give 30fps a shot. One gets tired of 'specs' & 'rules' from content producers all the time when it comes to filming and story-telling. Thanks for expressing your creativity in this way.
Thank you so much for helping me decide on what frame rate to settle on for UA-cam. In particular the 24fps to Show and 30fps to Tell. You presented the argument for in an easy format. 👍
Nowadays even some cinema production and TV series are shot on DSLRs/mirrorless at 24 FPS. Usually they are shot on Sony mirrorless (even despite the 8bit color). I don't find an issue with shutter speeds of 1/30-1/50. To cancel the flicker of electricity, you can reduce shutter speed.
Thank you brother. I've been saying this for time. The math is there. When watching on a big 4k monitor, 24fps youtube videos look off putting. Even stabilized, slowed down footage feels jarring. We need to let go of film standards, it's the digital age. Cameras are better, computers are faster, it's ok to render 6 more frames per second loll.
When I saw all my 4K 24p footage looking jittery... almost like frames were dropping, I thought my camera was faulty. I’m starting to think that might be the look. I’m a novice so I might just not know what I’m doing
For UA-cam videos I agree, it should be 30 or 60 fps for more realism. For story telling, that’s another thing. Not only we are used to watch movies in 24 fps since forever.. but acting may look less convincing at 30 fps. Even good experienced actors could look a bit off because there is too much frame and you’ll notice more subtleties that he couldn’t hide. In a movie/story, less is generally better. Gemini Man has been shot in 120 fps and it shows.. some of the actors look a bit off sometimes. Obviously 30 fps wouldn’t be as intense as 120 fps, but it would still make a difference.
thanks! i really enjoyed this. it is nice to see an opinion that is considered and balanced. i have been fighting for years with people about resolutions, frame rates and so on. it is the quality of the work not the gear or settings that get the job done.
Thank you, you stopped my doubts about using 30fps, even though i shoot mostly cinematic landscape stuff. My initial decision was because computer screens (graphics cards) normally work at 30Hz (or increments) everywhere over the world, even here in Europe , and most people will watch my videos on computers ;)
30fps looks more like a soap opera to me. You can shoot 24 at 48shutter with some cameras, you just gotta dial it in. I like the motion blur of 24fps it has a more classic film look, it looks more professional. When I see 30fps it makes me think of a news broadcast, or a sports event, not a movie.
well like i explained in detail, motion blur has nothing to do with the frame rate, it's about shutter speed. And the 48 is basically still 24 just with double the frames. 30 has a completely different use which i concluded at the end.
Thank you! I have seen so many "cinematic" creators pushing 24p and I just accepted that it was the way to go for my adventure videos. I will probably switch back to 30 after watching this.
GREAT VIDEO! this was precise and informative. You provided the use case for each format. This is a a great template for ppl to use making these types of explanation/teaching videos. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I personally think the "new cinematic" is high resolution AND high framerate, but that's just my opinion. There is a technical reason behind that "Stutter-Effect", which I made a video about approximately 2 years ago, explaining it in detail. Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/pjMtux_zFU41/v-deo.html Also, for avoiding light flickering you can just change your shutterspeed to be synchronized to the light's frequency, your framerate doesn't have to be ;)
The timing on me finding this post came at the perfect time in my personal learning curve. I really can't thank you enough! You have put to rest something bothering me for about a year since upgrading and returning to videography after being amazed of what I was seeing with mirrorless sensors. The little glitches you speak of seem to never be a hero clip for me but so frustrating when I am wondering why I had to scrap it. Was I the one...glitching? When I added a second body, adding the R6ii as opposed to the smaller hardware of the R8, I thought I would not see the issue but of course am working with new footage that has it in two spots. I literally swapped out every RF lens in the last year in testing and was starting to think I was definitely NOT on to anything as of late. This is the ticket for sure!~ I thought you might find it funny my term for it was "lens warble"....subscribed with joy!
I definitely agree. I just got the Canon R50 and Nisi 9mm f2.8 RF lens for shooting real estate. 4k @30fps edited/slowed down into a 24 fps time line gives you amazing, buttery smooth video. This new camera body, tack sharp manual focus lens with this editing has produced the best footage I've ever seen.
Hey Jeffrey, well done. Thanks for providing some solid clarifications on the theory behind the argument for 30FPS. I rarely watch videos like this more than once. Here, I started it again and pulled out my notebook! I'd also like to thank all the commenters here. The discussion helps to drive the concepts home!
The advantage also is all my cameras and phones and phones from friends can record at 30fps. And 90% of the displays are running at 60/120Hz. I live in Europe and I also have no problems with flicker. I can set the shutter to 1/50.
Interesting stuff. I’ve started using a GoPro & Gimbal for filming family trips out and was recommended to use 24fps. I’ve no idea what I’m doing so will try 30fps and will compare. Thanks dude.
I didn't see anyone mentioning that in film industry they shoot scene with green screen in 60 fps because is better for keying. Try to shoot on chroma with 24 fps and you'll never obtain a good keying because of too much motion blur.
A few thoughts. I wish this video said "Start shooting 60 FPS!" What is your goal? Are you story telling? Are you documenting a process where pristine clarify of video is required like product reviews with lots of hand held? 24p (along with 1/48th shutter) IS the film look (along with great lighting, lens bokeh), etc.. It is meant to be dream like. Care must be taken when using it. For instance, you use a super lightweight camera in 24p mode to shoot the hand held shot at 3:43 and 4:26. The lightness of the camera exaggerates the blur with tons of micro tremors. In the film industry, cameras are much heavier so even hand held shots are devoid of this micro shaking, and there are pan speed limits per ASC (American Society of Cinematographers) based on focal length to prevent flickering. I agree, for your camera setup and subject, 24p doesn't work well. 60p is the soap opera, live sports look, like looking through a window. 30p was forced upon us by web conferencing software and camera manufacturers and neither looks filmish (not enough motion blur), nor smooth enough for clean, live video. It is a compromise temporal resolution that to, me, has no real home. I find it hard to look at. Why not shoot 60p? HDD space is so cheap. internet speeds are crazy fast now. If you want to use 30p, I would recommend either raising your shutter speed to 1/60, or reduce to 1/48 if you can, to mimic either the film look or live video. "30P is more personal" yes, but one could argue it is not emotional... we've been conditioned for almost 100 years to see film as 24p and that is where stories are told. I agree that there's more to film than 24p, but you don't get "cinematic" without 24p. It's the foundation. Look what happened with HFR film (48p). It tanked. looks like a soap opera. People hated The Hobbit frame rate. Gaming is way above 100hz... so 60p would be more like gaming - another reason to shoot 60 instead of 30 (although file size increases). The biggest problem with 24p is not knowing when to use it, or how to properly use the camera while in 24p.
I think what people should really do is shoot whatever looks best to them. I prefer 24fps but you do need to be stabilized because any movements are more pronounced. 30fps is basic and does nothing for me visually. 60fps is handy for slowing down videos and still getting that fluidity, that 30fps just can't give you.
Literally noticed this same thing in 24p on my sony mirrorless, and never understood why, thats why switch to 30p for this exact reason, thanks for the break down
Most of the problems that you present in the beginning are related to that you imported video in 24 fps in a sequence of 30fps. In 1:37, you can handle that, you only have to work in a 24fps sequence, if you do it in a 30fps sequence you will have problems. Afterwards, the stutter is usually due to a limitation of the screens. on a screen of only 60hz, 24 is not a round multiple, with 120hz screens this is no longer a problem. and finally, UA-cam ALWAYS recodes the videos, there is no way to escape from that, it does not matter if it is in 24, 25, 30, 60 ... 30fps does not guarantee that. Taking out all the technical stuff, if filming at 30 is an artistic, aesthetic or moral choice, that's up to you. Cheers.
Incorrect. The problems are 24 in a 24 timeline. I did very thorough tests on this. / screens do matter, but it’s insignificant to the look as much as the playback. Therefor it’s best to discount the screen as it’s not the same person to person, screen to screen. / also, in my research, information DIRECTLY FROM UA-cam SUPPORT, youtube does NOT re-encode 30fps. But DOES re-encode the other frame rates. I listed a look up on this information as well. / i agree, artistically, there is no right or wrong, this is simply my suggestion, and i think my rule of show or tell the story is a very good way to sum it up! / thank you for the comment. I hope i cleared that up or elaborated better on my points! Cheers!
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Hello, I just see your answer! It is impossible for a 24fps (or 23.976) timeline with a 24fps video to be generating new frames. I work every day with production material and do video masters in projects that depend on precise work frame by frame, the software does not add or create new frames that are not specified. That's why I mentioned that the problem was probably that you used a 24fps video on a 30 or different timeline. If you are really suffering from this problem, something is wrong with the software you are using. And I'm sorry, but UA-cam ALWAYS recodes your videos, no matter the framerate or codec, you can even test it yourself, using the option that UA-cam gives to download the "original" file from UA-cam studio, you will notice that the downloaded video is not the same to the original that you have uploaded. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing your decision to shoot at 30fps, that would be silly. I'm just trying to clarify this unusual case that you mention in the video. Cheers mate!
@@jeffreybuoncristiano at 2:47 you are showing this error yourself. This same video that you have uploaded is in 30fps (you can see it in the statistics) and you have put an example of 24pfs in the same timeline! Obviously the 24pfs video is going to look bad and duplicate frames, it is in the wrong timeline.
Great video, thanks for the insight, I’m new to the process so your exploration of the topic is saving me from having to spend so too much time fumbling in the dark (between frames ?😜), instead concentrating on what I want to create & show. In my case the conclusion you drew was invaluable, so again thank you Sir, I salute you!
I really like this style of filming and love listening to you talk about what you're passionate about. I always come away from your videos learning something new. So thank you, Jeff.
No question! 30 frames is what we see all the time on TV. I sometimes even use 60 fps. Audio is normal, twice the frames so much crispier sharper look with NO motion blur which drives me crazy. Pans are nice and crisp instead of fuzzy pixels everywhere. You can also slo-mo and speed ramp more easily as you have many more frames to work with. 24 fps is old school cinema from way back in the day when they had less choices. Let’s move on people it’s 2021 and times and technology have changed ….
Well real old school cinema started with no standardisation and ranged between 16 and 22. Historically cctv images have also been on the low side ~15 both because this was a comprimise and was considered good enough whilst sparing the cost of film and later electrinic tape. It was only later manufactures standardised film to 24frames, we then have differing power grids to blame for the disparity in television broadcast standards developed. Such a mess we've got ourselves in.
I completely agree. However, I am wanting to start filming with a small amount of slo-mo. Therefore, shooting at 30fps and slowing to 80% is 24fps. The problem is then, if I have mixed content such as scenes where I talk, then I have to shoot those in 24fps so it will all match up. So, yes, your theories and testing are correct, but I still need 24fps.
This makes so much sense to me... Because math. 30fps just works better in ratios with shutter speed and other higher fps for slow motion. Spot on, my dude! So glad I found this.
24fps shot correctly is the way to go if you make films. 30fps has that camcorder/sitcom vibe, which is fine, but if youre making a film you go with 24.
My biggest fear (as living in Europe, pal 24p zone) is that if i do any but 24p or multiplicative of that (50p?), that i won't be able to play it on my OLED tv. For my tv screen i wouldn't think twice of 30p or 60p. I'm only schooting landscapes and maybe some rare selfie vlogs, but landscape pans are my priority.
Fun fact. 24FPS was only chosen due to the slowest they could run film before people complained. 24fps that we all "know and love" was only chosen to save money. We just grew up on that look and style. Broadcast engineers hate 24fps. It's annoying to deal with. 3
If you shoot at 24fps, and throw it in a 30fps timeline, there is 1frame for every 6 that is duplicated plus one which gets x3. If you throw a 30fps video into a 24 timeline, you strip away 6 frames (once exported out) and the footage can look more choppy due to the lack of frame blur. If your videos are still choppy with 30 in 30, then you are likely slowing your video down below a reasonable threshold which results in the frames showing. I do this all the time because I am trying to slow down footage for a “dreamy” look and was too lazy to record at a higher frame rate.
Great explanation. I'm a newbie learning Travel Vlog videography, and I was really struggling with this 24 vs 30 thing. I watched many videos on UA-cam regarding this, but your methodology was the best and the most convincing. I still have one question though. If I shoot in 30fps, what TL do I use in the Video Editor Software e.g. Davinci Resolve? I mean 30fps TL or 29.97fps TL. Regards.
Unfortunately I am in Europe, so I will stick with the 24p. UA-cam does not display the framerate, but now I found out why some movies looks smooth as butter, and others a bit jiggery
Very interesting and provocative video. There is so much discussion and dissection of 24 fps versus 30 fps versus 60 fps. Not to mention 23.98 or 29.87. Its seems that 60 fps is more buttery with less dropout. And no one has really definitively solved 24 frames which is more historical vs 30 frames, which makes more sense. It's almost like pixel peeping. It's all in the eye of the beholder. I really can't see significant differences unless really squinting and determine to see the changes. And finally, to be really convincing, with all due respect, you need to show a really alluring and mind blowing video to really appreciate the subtle differences and make your point.
Interesting you can't see the difference. I for one can see it in a heartbeat. But i "feel" it even faster. 60fps to me however doesn't feel buttery, it feels unsettling. I agree the video wasn't mind blowing, but i felt like i did a pretty good job.
Great video and new sub here. I’m new to this but have been maxing to 60 not knowing what I was doing…. Especially with personal drone projects. Can’t wait to dial that in a little more !
Great video, Thanks. Just wondering what your thoughts are for youtubers shooting everything at 60fps? As I do use cinematic shots sometimes (slow-mo from 60 is enough for me) but most of my video is a talking head. - This leads me to believe I should just shoot everything in 60fps. Would love to hear your thoughts~~ 🙌
Eh So 2 answers 1. Technically it’s a bad idea. If you’re syncing motion blur to shutter speed to fra,e rate then you’d have to increase the shutter speed for 1/60, which means your clamping down on the lift that gets to the sensor so you’ll need a faster lens (expensive) or more iso (noisey) so it will just always make your footage darker than 30fps Second, I think it depend on use and if you like slo mo. I don’t like slo mo so it’s not for me. 60 as mentioned imo is double 30 which is fine but a bit unnatural for the monitors we are viewing on currently. I’d say do it if you want to do what will be the norm in a couple years, but I’m going to see if refresh rates and color bit rate improves first.
@@jeffreybuoncristiano how about always shooting 60fps at 1/60? Then let your project use 30fps at double speed to keep everything looking the same but skipping every other frame...then if you want slow motion, just let it run at 100% speed to get an actual 50% slow-mo...?
I have to disagree with you on some things. Ive watched movies with higher frame rates and i dont feel better about what im watching because it looks more real. I always find myself going back to 24fps because i dont want realism i want my videos to feel like a movie vs a vlog or a home video or a soap opera
perhaps you didn't make it to the end and the conclusion statement. i said all this is to prove that 30 fps is better for TELLING a story (aka youtube) vs, 24fps is better for SHOWING a story which is generally "movies". so i don't think we disagree. i feel like i agree with you because that's what I was saying. but this argument is for the way things are now. I know i could have been more clear in the video, but that's what i meant.
Cheers, made a lot of sense. I've been shooting in 24p vlogging/drone, I see what you mean, the jitters are a real pain, especially when I steer hard on the drone. I will test 30p out. I'm in the UK and have seen comments about using 25p in the pal region, should I be switching to 25 or 30? Everything I do is outdoors with manual camera settings. I still get the kelvin wrong sometimes :(
Wow, this city really looked like Boston so many times, but I could tell for sure if is really it. I even saw a building that is just like Prudential Center.
Well DAMN! I'm clueless as to most of that stuff you all talked about, but I still loved hearing you explain it, because YOU sure as hell know what you're talking about, and it sounded very professional! So I'm giving you a 👍
I was about to disagree with you and give you my reasons why but after watching this |||||||| you sold me. Thank you. I am going to try to star shooting 30 fps
For anything thats realife and vlogging situation...30fps... shooting movies or music videos or highend commericals...24. i think thats how it should be
I'm in a PAL country, but I changed my camera to NTSC. You're explanation makes sense! Only CRT ou Plasma supported 25/ 50fps native. So I'm switching to 30fps after this video.
Helped me get started on my video journey. Thank you. Edit: I agree that having a perfect 180 degree shutter angle produces the best quality video. My rx100m7 only has 1/50 and not 1/48. So I have to use 30p 1/60
You rock Jeffery, just bought a dji osmo action 2 shooting on 24 fps, looks like its skipping frames in the footage I recorded. I will try 30fps on my next fpv outing. 1/60 shutter 100 iso if possible.
Thank you. 24fps is good for film projection (at 24fps), but filming for Tv & Internet streaming (30frames/ fields per sec) is smoother, and also requires a little more light!
Shooting at 30 interlaced will probably look even better! Are you shooting at 30 fps or 29.97? And were you originally at 24 or 23.98? Personally I've been shooting 59.94 progressive, which I think looks even better. Motion seems really smooth.
Keep going with the 30! Love seeing 30. Though I wish more people would play with lowering the shutter speed to 1/40 in order to get back the more natural motion blur. The way I understand it, having your shutter setting set to something doesn't run a separate "shutters per second" thing, it just tells the sensor to collect light for whatever amount of time is set during EACH of the 24, 30, or whatever frames. The problem is once again the "standards" that exist, that being the 180 degree rule sucking. Try your footage with a 1/50 and 1/40 shutter at 30p, see what you think. Also, interestingly, 25fps is also NOT re-coded by YT IIRC because 25p is ACTUAL interger-correct 25fps, unlike 24fps MIGHT be on cameras in NTSC mode that DON'T have separate 24 and 23.976 options. Another thing that can cause the judder-bug is mixing the two up in a timeline. Then it gets double screwed when you mix them up AND THEN upload to youtube. Worst possible "correct" (by assumption) setting would be 24 actual(interger) in a 23.976 timeline uploaded as 24 to YT with a 1/50 shutter. *_puke_* OH, another fun fact. 25p with a 1/40 shutter will shoot correctly regardless of region and you don't have to change camera settings. The 1/40 divides into 120, which is an even multiple of 60hz power lines. And the 25fps divides into the 50hz powerline frequency as per usual. To get that with 30fps you do either a 1/50 shutter or a 1/33.3 shutter (which is a 324 degree angle).
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Thanks dude! I usually sperg out like this all the time, so it's really encouraging to see positive feedback about the things that drive me crazy as opposed to negative. Give the other shutter setting a try for your footage, maybe upload some samples directly comparing them (because god knows finding 30fps test footage or good cinematic shots is damn hard) and see what you think/like. After all my weeks of research and agonizing over filmography questions, I'm just about set in my thinking of 25p-1/40 and 30p-1/50 being the new "baseline" standards to replace 24p-anything and 30p-180deg. And, of course, variables provided (powerline freq and natural vs artificial light being filmed) you can play with the baseline from there. Ninja edit: Forgot to mention, I frickin LOVE your beard, dude. Excellent work, there.
I have a little problem, I shot in 30p and then a couple shots in 25, now I’m editing it in a timeline of 30p, what would you recommend me to safe the final export at the moment of posting it on UA-cam and to avoid the problem of the different FPS in a timeline of 30p?
@@agustinyousef2530 well, the timeline will be whatever framerate you tell it to be, and it doesn't matter what frame rate you put in the timeline, frames are frames for the most part. but depending on your software, you'll either have those shots as looking a little fast, or the software will interpelate new frames to adjust for the incorrect frame rate to the timeline. you probably won't notice unless you're looking. you might just see a stammering look to the few 25fps shots. As far as exporting, i'd export in the timeline frame rate of 30fps. also, I'd take it as a learning lesson to make sure you shoot in the same frame rate next time.
@@agustinyousef2530 What Jeffrey said, though with the caveat that if you tell your software (depending on the software) to "interpret" the 25p footage, I believe THAT'S what will speed it up. Kinda the same as when you throw a higher frame rate into a 30p timeline then "interpret" in order to get slowmo. Bottom line, play with the settings and see what works. I feel like the most natural looking solution would be black frame insertion, which is semi self explanatory. Basically just have your editing software and 5 non-sequential black frames per second to your 25p footage so that there are "30" frames to be played per second, but only 25 of them are actual content. It'll still look like 25p, but it (hopefully) won't do any weird stuttery skippy crap nor be sped up.
What about shooting and exporting 60fps but shot at 1/60? I feel that it looks best, Looks nicely smooth but looks natural and doesn't look cheap and weird.
hmmm. good question. i would assume (without my own tests made) that shooting 60fps with a 1/60shutter would be pretty nice. I think it would be a quality conversion. but i haven't tested that theory. it would most likely be the way to go if you want 60fps.
Just to be clear, you are talking about shooting at 30fps and putting that footage in a 24fps timeline without interpolation? Or shooting 30fps and putting it in a 30fps timeline? I'm new at this so excuse if this is naïve. Thanks.
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12:23 - This is my favorite part. It's nice to hear from someone who understands there is a proper place and time for everything.
24fps when shown to the viewer vs 30fps when told to the camera, I love it!
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Thanks, this is a great video. At 3:00 when the traffic at the left swaps from 24 FPS to 30 FPS there is certainly a difference in how true-to-life it looks. I'm sticking to 30 FPS from now on.
Glad it helped
It needs to be mentioned though that what you see there is not true 24fps as it's contained in a 30fps video - it looks more stuttery, less even more specifically, than proper 24fps. But then again, there's no way to properly compare it in one video, at least not unless YT supports 120fps videos, with an even divider for both framerates.
Great video. One thing that is always forgotten in frame rate discussions/explanations is how the film is viewed. If we are talking UA-cam as distribution channel we cannot forget that phones, tablets, laptops and other flatscreens are, today, in most cases and independent of where in the world (NTSC/PAL) 30 or 60 hz based. Showing 24 fps on a 30 hz screen will just result in pulldown recreating 6 missing frames for every second adding to any already existing 24 fps stutter…
Great explanation, this is my 4-5th video about the difference between 24vs30 and what is better, and your explanation really resonates
The comparison when you trow the phone in the air was massive, with 24 my mind just had to follow the object and costing effort to predict it, while at 30 I could just kind of relax and take the whole frame-size in more, exactly the style I would want for my video's.
"24 when the story is shown, 30 when the story is told" - amazing sentence, I'm convinced and finally feel secure to shoot my video's in 30 fps when I start next year.
Thanks for the help!
The GH5 has the 180 degree shutter and it makes 24 frames look gorgeous and it fixes what you are talking about. I also hated that and noticed that with these mirrorless cameras and I am hesitant to buy the A7S iii because it doesnt have the degree shutter
so there's such a feature in cameras? I never knew that.
so does the GH4
But if you shoot 30fps then 1/60 is 180 exactly
I would easily give a gold medal to anyone who can see the motion blur difference between 1/50 and 1/48 ss.
@@noname-cj6jp You cannot see it precisely but you'll subconsciously experience the slight blurriness of the footage.
I completely agree with the sentiment that we are the filmmakers that make it cinematic, not 24p. Thank you for making this!
@Gunner Cohen no
One of my biggest regrets when I started vlogging was listening to all the 24 fps proponents and not using 30 fps right from the beginning. I've had fewer, if any, glitches with 30 fps during editing and none when uploading. It's much easier for me to pull stills from 30 fps, too, especially for thumbnails.
Oh totally! 100% I take most of my selfies these days from my video shot at 30 FPS! I’ll have to make a video on that actually!
I look forward to that. I'm still a beginner with all these things, so I would appreciate a video like that. Being able to take stills from the video is just one of those ways to reduce friction for me. Creating thumbnails separately from the video itself just feels like a barrier to creation at this point. Be awesome to see your process with video stills.
Nicely thought about, Jeff... I've been wanting to try 30fps for a while, (off camera), but when it comes time to shooting, I'm on auto-pilot and just assume 24fps is a 'solid' foundation (much like the rules for 1/180 shutter, WB, etc)... but I'm going to give 30fps a shot.
One gets tired of 'specs' & 'rules' from content producers all the time when it comes to filming and story-telling.
Thanks for expressing your creativity in this way.
Yeah i feel ya. It’s like we never really think about the boring, but it can be exciting!
9:08 is such an interesting example. Thanks for the great video.
Thank you so much for helping me decide on what frame rate to settle on for UA-cam. In particular the 24fps to Show and 30fps to Tell. You presented the argument for in an easy format. 👍
Nowadays even some cinema production and TV series are shot on DSLRs/mirrorless at 24 FPS. Usually they are shot on Sony mirrorless (even despite the 8bit color). I don't find an issue with shutter speeds of 1/30-1/50. To cancel the flicker of electricity, you can reduce shutter speed.
Thank you brother. I've been saying this for time. The math is there. When watching on a big 4k monitor, 24fps youtube videos look off putting. Even stabilized, slowed down footage feels jarring. We need to let go of film standards, it's the digital age. Cameras are better, computers are faster, it's ok to render 6 more frames per second loll.
Amen.
When I saw all my 4K 24p footage looking jittery... almost like frames were dropping, I thought my camera was faulty. I’m starting to think that might be the look. I’m a novice so I might just not know what I’m doing
I was thinking I was the only one.
@@bseldon001 I have the same on Sony a7iii. Even 30 frames gets choppy when you pan the camera...
@@dimkish1 Cos none of this feels natural to the eye. It's too slow.
you made my day with this information i was wonering why people love 24fps and im truly in love with 3fps now
24 fps is cinematic. It's mostly used by cinematographers.
For UA-cam videos I agree, it should be 30 or 60 fps for more realism. For story telling, that’s another thing. Not only we are used to watch movies in 24 fps since forever.. but acting may look less convincing at 30 fps. Even good experienced actors could look a bit off because there is too much frame and you’ll notice more subtleties that he couldn’t hide. In a movie/story, less is generally better. Gemini Man has been shot in 120 fps and it shows.. some of the actors look a bit off sometimes. Obviously 30 fps wouldn’t be as intense as 120 fps, but it would still make a difference.
thanks! i really enjoyed this. it is nice to see an opinion that is considered and balanced. i have been fighting for years with people about resolutions, frame rates and so on. it is the quality of the work not the gear or settings that get the job done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you, you stopped my doubts about using 30fps, even though i shoot mostly cinematic landscape stuff. My initial decision was because computer screens (graphics cards) normally work at 30Hz (or increments) everywhere over the world, even here in Europe , and most people will watch my videos on computers ;)
30fps looks more like a soap opera to me. You can shoot 24 at 48shutter with some cameras, you just gotta dial it in. I like the motion blur of 24fps it has a more classic film look, it looks more professional. When I see 30fps it makes me think of a news broadcast, or a sports event, not a movie.
well like i explained in detail, motion blur has nothing to do with the frame rate, it's about shutter speed. And the 48 is basically still 24 just with double the frames. 30 has a completely different use which i concluded at the end.
Social media videos are not movies!
@@AurelianIrimia What are you getting at? No one said they were.
@@AurelianIrimia he never said they are. He just wants his footage to look like a movie
Thank you! I have seen so many "cinematic" creators pushing 24p and I just accepted that it was the way to go for my adventure videos. I will probably switch back to 30 after watching this.
We've been back and forth on ours. This tipped me to 30 fps. 👊🏼
You can still do both. I flip between the two depending on if it’s story or educational
GREAT VIDEO! this was precise and informative. You provided the use case for each format. This is a a great template for ppl to use making these types of explanation/teaching videos. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Here in PAL land 🇦🇺 we use 25 or 50 - I use 25 in low light and 50 in daytime
but we also have no CRT or Plasma Panels anymore which can do 50hz native ... so with 25fps on 60hz displays is not optimal
PAL vs NTSC era is gone
I think this convinced me to switch from 23,24,25 to 30 finally :) Thanks for the great explanation!
I personally think the "new cinematic" is high resolution AND high framerate, but that's just my opinion.
There is a technical reason behind that "Stutter-Effect", which I made a video about approximately 2 years ago, explaining it in detail.
Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/pjMtux_zFU41/v-deo.html
Also, for avoiding light flickering you can just change your shutterspeed to be synchronized to the light's frequency, your framerate doesn't have to be ;)
Broooo! Yes! I’ve actually seen your videos. I’m surprised by your wisdom at such a young age! Keep it up!
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Thank you man! It's an honor!
I’ve thought about this for a while.. switching to 30fps for a while :) very underrated video.. thanks!
Thank you! I hope you like the results!
The timing on me finding this post came at the perfect time in my personal learning curve. I really can't thank you enough! You have put to rest something bothering me for about a year since upgrading and returning to videography after being amazed of what I was seeing with mirrorless sensors. The little glitches you speak of seem to never be a hero clip for me but so frustrating when I am wondering why I had to scrap it. Was I the one...glitching? When I added a second body, adding the R6ii as opposed to the smaller hardware of the R8, I thought I would not see the issue but of course am working with new footage that has it in two spots. I literally swapped out every RF lens in the last year in testing and was starting to think I was definitely NOT on to anything as of late. This is the ticket for sure!~ I thought you might find it funny my term for it was "lens warble"....subscribed with joy!
You can also set your monitor to 48 hrz, problem solved. That is if you use camera with shutter angle.
I definitely agree. I just got the Canon R50 and Nisi 9mm f2.8 RF lens for shooting real estate. 4k @30fps edited/slowed down into a 24 fps time line gives you amazing, buttery smooth video. This new camera body, tack sharp manual focus lens with this editing has produced the best footage I've ever seen.
Extremely well done. I especially like how you remove the term “cinematic” from the the technical realm.
thank you!
yeah, it's a made. up word after all no? but i get it, I'm not saying other things aren't cinematic. just.. ya know! :D
Hey Jeffrey, well done. Thanks for providing some solid clarifications on the theory behind the argument for 30FPS. I rarely watch videos like this more than once. Here, I started it again and pulled out my notebook! I'd also like to thank all the commenters here. The discussion helps to drive the concepts home!
yes i'm glad you're looking to the comments for either supporting or opposing arguments. the goal is to be well informed!
The advantage also is all my cameras and phones and phones from friends can record at 30fps. And 90% of the displays are running at 60/120Hz. I live in Europe and I also have no problems with flicker. I can set the shutter to 1/50.
That stutter is just a browser issue. On Edge nothing stutters on 24fps.
Awesome lecture on shutter speeds. Gearing up to doing my own Vlog. Thanks Jeff.
Interesting stuff. I’ve started using a GoPro & Gimbal for filming family trips out and was recommended to use 24fps. I’ve no idea what I’m doing so will try 30fps and will compare. Thanks dude.
Yeah try it out. You might like how it looks!
Great video & explanation, thanks for breaking it down in a easy to understand video with solid examples!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I didn't see anyone mentioning that in film industry they shoot scene with green screen in 60 fps because is better for keying. Try to shoot on chroma with 24 fps and you'll never obtain a good keying because of too much motion blur.
This was really helpfull in terms of deciding what to shot for. Good arguments! And nice production/edit.
24 frames was just the cheapest way to shoot on film. It was the bare minimum for usable footage, so it's weird to me so many people cling to it.
Yeah i mean i get it, i used to as well, it’s an identity thing, but if one actually researches it, it just doesn’t make sense for most situations.
A few thoughts. I wish this video said "Start shooting 60 FPS!" What is your goal? Are you story telling? Are you documenting a process where pristine clarify of video is required like product reviews with lots of hand held? 24p (along with 1/48th shutter) IS the film look (along with great lighting, lens bokeh), etc.. It is meant to be dream like. Care must be taken when using it. For instance, you use a super lightweight camera in 24p mode to shoot the hand held shot at 3:43 and 4:26. The lightness of the camera exaggerates the blur with tons of micro tremors. In the film industry, cameras are much heavier so even hand held shots are devoid of this micro shaking, and there are pan speed limits per ASC (American Society of Cinematographers) based on focal length to prevent flickering. I agree, for your camera setup and subject, 24p doesn't work well. 60p is the soap opera, live sports look, like looking through a window. 30p was forced upon us by web conferencing software and camera manufacturers and neither looks filmish (not enough motion blur), nor smooth enough for clean, live video. It is a compromise temporal resolution that to, me, has no real home. I find it hard to look at. Why not shoot 60p? HDD space is so cheap. internet speeds are crazy fast now. If you want to use 30p, I would recommend either raising your shutter speed to 1/60, or reduce to 1/48 if you can, to mimic either the film look or live video. "30P is more personal" yes, but one could argue it is not emotional... we've been conditioned for almost 100 years to see film as 24p and that is where stories are told. I agree that there's more to film than 24p, but you don't get "cinematic" without 24p. It's the foundation. Look what happened with HFR film (48p). It tanked. looks like a soap opera. People hated The Hobbit frame rate. Gaming is way above 100hz... so 60p would be more like gaming - another reason to shoot 60 instead of 30 (although file size increases). The biggest problem with 24p is not knowing when to use it, or how to properly use the camera while in 24p.
I think what people should really do is shoot whatever looks best to them. I prefer 24fps but you do need to be stabilized because any movements are more pronounced. 30fps is basic and does nothing for me visually. 60fps is handy for slowing down videos and still getting that fluidity, that 30fps just can't give you.
Literally noticed this same thing in 24p on my sony mirrorless, and never understood why, thats why switch to 30p for this exact reason, thanks for the break down
Most of the problems that you present in the beginning are related to that you imported video in 24 fps in a sequence of 30fps. In 1:37, you can handle that, you only have to work in a 24fps sequence, if you do it in a 30fps sequence you will have problems. Afterwards, the stutter is usually due to a limitation of the screens. on a screen of only 60hz, 24 is not a round multiple, with 120hz screens this is no longer a problem. and finally, UA-cam ALWAYS recodes the videos, there is no way to escape from that, it does not matter if it is in 24, 25, 30, 60 ... 30fps does not guarantee that. Taking out all the technical stuff, if filming at 30 is an artistic, aesthetic or moral choice, that's up to you. Cheers.
Incorrect. The problems are 24 in a 24 timeline. I did very thorough tests on this. / screens do matter, but it’s insignificant to the look as much as the playback. Therefor it’s best to discount the screen as it’s not the same person to person, screen to screen. / also, in my research, information DIRECTLY FROM UA-cam SUPPORT, youtube does NOT re-encode 30fps. But DOES re-encode the other frame rates. I listed a look up on this information as well. / i agree, artistically, there is no right or wrong, this is simply my suggestion, and i think my rule of show or tell the story is a very good way to sum it up! /
thank you for the comment. I hope i cleared that up or elaborated better on my points! Cheers!
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Hello, I just see your answer! It is impossible for a 24fps (or 23.976) timeline with a 24fps video to be generating new frames. I work every day with production material and do video masters in projects that depend on precise work frame by frame, the software does not add or create new frames that are not specified. That's why I mentioned that the problem was probably that you used a 24fps video on a 30 or different timeline. If you are really suffering from this problem, something is wrong with the software you are using. And I'm sorry, but UA-cam ALWAYS recodes your videos, no matter the framerate or codec, you can even test it yourself, using the option that UA-cam gives to download the "original" file from UA-cam studio, you will notice that the downloaded video is not the same to the original that you have uploaded. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing your decision to shoot at 30fps, that would be silly. I'm just trying to clarify this unusual case that you mention in the video. Cheers mate!
@@jeffreybuoncristiano at 2:47 you are showing this error yourself. This same video that you have uploaded is in 30fps (you can see it in the statistics) and you have put an example of 24pfs in the same timeline! Obviously the 24pfs video is going to look bad and duplicate frames, it is in the wrong timeline.
Great video, thanks for the insight, I’m new to the process so your exploration of the topic is saving me from having to spend so too much time fumbling in the dark (between frames ?😜), instead concentrating on what I want to create & show.
In my case the conclusion you drew was invaluable, so again thank you Sir, I salute you!
nice! I'm happy I could simplify the choice that works best for you!
I really like this style of filming and love listening to you talk about what you're passionate about. I always come away from your videos learning something new. So thank you, Jeff.
I've always used 30. I feel like its the sweet spot. I agree with the 60 frame being too much. For vlogging, I'm not a big fan. Gaming, yes haha.
No question! 30 frames is what we see all the time on TV. I sometimes even use 60 fps. Audio is normal, twice the frames so much crispier sharper look with NO motion blur which drives me crazy. Pans are nice and crisp instead of fuzzy pixels everywhere. You can also slo-mo and speed ramp more easily as you have many more frames to work with. 24 fps is old school cinema from way back in the day when they had less choices. Let’s move on people it’s 2021 and times and technology have changed ….
Amen.
Well real old school cinema started with no standardisation and ranged between 16 and 22. Historically cctv images have also been on the low side ~15 both because this was a comprimise and was considered good enough whilst sparing the cost of film and later electrinic tape. It was only later manufactures standardised film to 24frames, we then have differing power grids to blame for the disparity in television broadcast standards developed. Such a mess we've got ourselves in.
I completely agree. However, I am wanting to start filming with a small amount of slo-mo. Therefore, shooting at 30fps and slowing to 80% is 24fps. The problem is then, if I have mixed content such as scenes where I talk, then I have to shoot those in 24fps so it will all match up. So, yes, your theories and testing are correct, but I still need 24fps.
This makes so much sense to me... Because math. 30fps just works better in ratios with shutter speed and other higher fps for slow motion. Spot on, my dude! So glad I found this.
Right!? Glad to hear you get it!
24fps shot correctly is the way to go if you make films. 30fps has that camcorder/sitcom vibe, which is fine, but if youre making a film you go with 24.
That's what Jeffrey said ...
In some movies it looks glitchy and choppy
My biggest fear (as living in Europe, pal 24p zone) is that if i do any but 24p or multiplicative of that (50p?), that i won't be able to play it on my OLED tv. For my tv screen i wouldn't think twice of 30p or 60p. I'm only schooting landscapes and maybe some rare selfie vlogs, but landscape pans are my priority.
Thankyou so much. I think 30fps makes a little bit crispy and no weird motion blur.
well, motion blur is good. motion blur is the same between 24 and 30. Motion blur is controlled my shutter speed. not frames per second.
Man this is literally what I needed, most 'cinematic' videos make me feel dizzy because of the 24 fps
same!
Fun fact.
24FPS was only chosen due to the slowest they could run film before people complained. 24fps that we all "know and love" was only chosen to save money. We just grew up on that look and style. Broadcast engineers hate 24fps. It's annoying to deal with. 3
What about us in PAL system? Should I record in 25 fps or replace lights to DC LEDs and record in 30 fps?
You should use 25
Jeffrey, if shooting 30fps, do i use a 30fps timeline? we have been struggling with jittery footage and its no fun at all :) Thanks
Yes, always set the timeline to the fps of your footage.
Yes always match the footage
@@itsjoseperez thank you Jose😁
@@jeffreybuoncristiano thanks Jeffrey👍 Great video😁
If you shoot at 24fps, and throw it in a 30fps timeline, there is 1frame for every 6 that is duplicated plus one which gets x3.
If you throw a 30fps video into a 24 timeline, you strip away 6 frames (once exported out) and the footage can look more choppy due to the lack of frame blur.
If your videos are still choppy with 30 in 30, then you are likely slowing your video down below a reasonable threshold which results in the frames showing. I do this all the time because I am trying to slow down footage for a “dreamy” look and was too lazy to record at a higher frame rate.
24 frames per second fascinates; 30 frames per second hypnotizes.
Well said!!,
@ 9:53 - Dr. John Rosemond calls this the flickering light syndrome. You should check out his books.
Excellent explanation. It was difficulty putting these uncomfortable feelings I felt when filming in 24fps into words.
Great video! And not a stretch!! 30 fps it is for me from here on in!
FX3 h.265 only supports 24, 60, 120 fps 😢
Great explanation. I'm a newbie learning Travel Vlog videography, and I was really struggling with this 24 vs 30 thing.
I watched many videos on UA-cam regarding this, but your methodology was the best and the most convincing.
I still have one question though. If I shoot in 30fps, what TL do I use in the Video Editor Software e.g. Davinci Resolve? I mean 30fps TL or 29.97fps TL.
Regards.
29.97 because it matches the footage. But if 30 it’ll be fine too.
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Thanks a lot.
Unfortunately I am in Europe, so I will stick with the 24p. UA-cam does not display the framerate, but now I found out why some movies looks smooth as butter, and others a bit jiggery
You should use 25p over there. UA-cam displays anything you upload.
Very interesting and provocative video. There is so much discussion and dissection of 24 fps versus 30 fps versus 60 fps. Not to mention 23.98 or 29.87. Its seems that 60 fps is more buttery with less dropout. And no one has really definitively solved 24 frames which is more historical vs 30 frames, which makes more sense. It's almost like pixel peeping. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
I really can't see significant differences unless really squinting and determine to see the changes. And finally, to be really convincing, with all due respect, you need to show a really alluring and mind blowing video to really appreciate the subtle differences and make your point.
Interesting you can't see the difference. I for one can see it in a heartbeat. But i "feel" it even faster. 60fps to me however doesn't feel buttery, it feels unsettling.
I agree the video wasn't mind blowing, but i felt like i did a pretty good job.
Great video and new sub here. I’m new to this but have been maxing to 60 not knowing what I was doing…. Especially with personal drone projects. Can’t wait to dial that in a little more !
Such a wise explanation. Really gave me a new understanding and perspective -- thanks so much!
If you divide 120 fps by 5 into 24 fps timeline there is no interpolation, frame blending or anything like that.
correct. i find it far too slow and awkward speed for myself
Right on man! I can't stand 24fps. I think there's massive artifacts being created due to frame rate conversion too.
The Buon LIfe, What do you think about motion picture film (Photographic emulsion ) shot at 30 fps?
So shoot in 30fps, should i be editing on a 24p timeline or 30fps timeline
edit in the same fps time line you shoot in.
Bro your excellent, I totally agreed with your explanation i love 30fps
thank you. i believe it's a fair belief.
Awesome video Jeffrey! Learned a lot 🙌
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if i edit 30 fps film should my final cut pro timeline be in 24 fps, 30 fps, or 29.97 fps? Thank you for creating such a well made video 🙏
30fps
Great video, Thanks. Just wondering what your thoughts are for youtubers shooting everything at 60fps? As I do use cinematic shots sometimes (slow-mo from 60 is enough for me) but most of my video is a talking head. - This leads me to believe I should just shoot everything in 60fps. Would love to hear your thoughts~~ 🙌
Eh
So 2 answers 1. Technically it’s a bad idea. If you’re syncing motion blur to shutter speed to fra,e rate then you’d have to increase the shutter speed for 1/60, which means your clamping down on the lift that gets to the sensor so you’ll need a faster lens (expensive) or more iso (noisey) so it will just always make your footage darker than 30fps
Second,
I think it depend on use and if you like slo mo. I don’t like slo mo so it’s not for me. 60 as mentioned imo is double 30 which is fine but a bit unnatural for the monitors we are viewing on currently. I’d say do it if you want to do what will be the norm in a couple years, but I’m going to see if refresh rates and color bit rate improves first.
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Gotcha, great answer. Subscribed thanks !
@@jeffreybuoncristiano how about always shooting 60fps at 1/60? Then let your project use 30fps at double speed to keep everything looking the same but skipping every other frame...then if you want slow motion, just let it run at 100% speed to get an actual 50% slow-mo...?
I have to disagree with you on some things. Ive watched movies with higher frame rates and i dont feel better about what im watching because it looks more real. I always find myself going back to 24fps because i dont want realism i want my videos to feel like a movie vs a vlog or a home video or a soap opera
perhaps you didn't make it to the end and the conclusion statement. i said all this is to prove that 30 fps is better for TELLING a story (aka youtube) vs, 24fps is better for SHOWING a story which is generally "movies". so i don't think we disagree. i feel like i agree with you because that's what I was saying. but this argument is for the way things are now. I know i could have been more clear in the video, but that's what i meant.
Cheers, made a lot of sense. I've been shooting in 24p vlogging/drone, I see what you mean, the jitters are a real pain, especially when I steer hard on the drone. I will test 30p out. I'm in the UK and have seen comments about using 25p in the pal region, should I be switching to 25 or 30? Everything I do is outdoors with manual camera settings. I still get the kelvin wrong sometimes :(
I too have found 30p to be less fatiguing. I film my wife’s cooking videos in 24p for its softness.
Great video and explanation. As a tech UA-camr this video has been very helpeful and convinced me to do 30fps when I do talking head
Try it out for sure and see how you like it, I think once you go 30 for talking head, it’s really hard to go back to 24
I am learning a lot of great ideas from your videos
Wow, this city really looked like Boston so many times, but I could tell for sure if is really it.
I even saw a building that is just like Prudential Center.
It's New York
hmm, so I wonder if a video documenting a trip im on would be better in 30 FPS or 24 FPS?
probably 24 if i were to suggest for that. refer to the message at the end
Well DAMN! I'm clueless as to most of that stuff you all talked about, but I still loved hearing you explain it, because YOU sure as hell know what you're talking about, and it sounded very professional! So I'm giving you a 👍
I was about to disagree with you and give you my reasons why but after watching this |||||||| you sold me. Thank you. I am going to try to star shooting 30 fps
They each different tools, for different tasks. hope you choose correctly!
For anything thats realife and vlogging situation...30fps... shooting movies or music videos or highend commericals...24. i think thats how it should be
agreed. more specifically what i said at the end though. "30fps if the story is told, 24fps if the story is shown."
@@jeffreybuoncristiano which makes sense why news anchors and general tv shows are shot in 30fps
Great video! You explained everything beautifully
I'm in a PAL country, but I changed my camera to NTSC. You're explanation makes sense! Only CRT ou Plasma supported 25/ 50fps native. So I'm switching to 30fps after this video.
Can’t you just shoot 24fps at 1/60th sec to eliminate the light frequency issue and improve the motion blur? Shutter angle rules are kind of a joke.
sure. if you want to.
Helped me get started on my video journey. Thank you. Edit: I agree that having a perfect 180 degree shutter angle produces the best quality video. My rx100m7 only has 1/50 and not 1/48. So I have to use 30p 1/60
Looking very Harry Bosch with the Rolex and the parachute chord bracelet
Liked him up, that’s awesome someone has the same combo!
great info! And the background caught my eye and found out that you're also in NJ and some of the shots you filmed in I live in the same city :O
No it was Brooklyn NY
You rock Jeffery, just bought a dji osmo action 2 shooting on 24 fps, looks like its skipping frames in the footage I recorded. I will try 30fps on my next fpv outing. 1/60 shutter 100 iso if possible.
Should I set my setting in post 30 or leave it 24. But only set shoot in 30?
Timeline and camera should match
Thank you. 24fps is good for film projection (at 24fps), but filming for Tv & Internet streaming (30frames/ fields per sec) is smoother, and also requires a little more light!
Not really, you can use 1/48 or 1/50 at 30fps
Shooting at 30 interlaced will probably look even better! Are you shooting at 30 fps or 29.97? And were you originally at 24 or 23.98? Personally I've been shooting 59.94 progressive, which I think looks even better. Motion seems really smooth.
I don’t think anyone should or does still shoot interlaced. 60fps is good, it’s not worth the memory for me.
I guess with modern video compression algorithms the extra bandwidth required by progressive is not too bad.
Keep going with the 30! Love seeing 30. Though I wish more people would play with lowering the shutter speed to 1/40 in order to get back the more natural motion blur. The way I understand it, having your shutter setting set to something doesn't run a separate "shutters per second" thing, it just tells the sensor to collect light for whatever amount of time is set during EACH of the 24, 30, or whatever frames. The problem is once again the "standards" that exist, that being the 180 degree rule sucking.
Try your footage with a 1/50 and 1/40 shutter at 30p, see what you think. Also, interestingly, 25fps is also NOT re-coded by YT IIRC because 25p is ACTUAL interger-correct 25fps, unlike 24fps MIGHT be on cameras in NTSC mode that DON'T have separate 24 and 23.976 options. Another thing that can cause the judder-bug is mixing the two up in a timeline. Then it gets double screwed when you mix them up AND THEN upload to youtube. Worst possible "correct" (by assumption) setting would be 24 actual(interger) in a 23.976 timeline uploaded as 24 to YT with a 1/50 shutter.
*_puke_*
OH, another fun fact. 25p with a 1/40 shutter will shoot correctly regardless of region and you don't have to change camera settings. The 1/40 divides into 120, which is an even multiple of 60hz power lines. And the 25fps divides into the 50hz powerline frequency as per usual. To get that with 30fps you do either a 1/50 shutter or a 1/33.3 shutter (which is a 324 degree angle).
Haha I love this comment so so much. One of the best ones yet!
@@jeffreybuoncristiano Thanks dude! I usually sperg out like this all the time, so it's really encouraging to see positive feedback about the things that drive me crazy as opposed to negative. Give the other shutter setting a try for your footage, maybe upload some samples directly comparing them (because god knows finding 30fps test footage or good cinematic shots is damn hard) and see what you think/like.
After all my weeks of research and agonizing over filmography questions, I'm just about set in my thinking of 25p-1/40 and 30p-1/50 being the new "baseline" standards to replace 24p-anything and 30p-180deg. And, of course, variables provided (powerline freq and natural vs artificial light being filmed) you can play with the baseline from there.
Ninja edit: Forgot to mention, I frickin LOVE your beard, dude. Excellent work, there.
I have a little problem, I shot in 30p and then a couple shots in 25, now I’m editing it in a timeline of 30p, what would you recommend me to safe the final export at the moment of posting it on UA-cam and to avoid the problem of the different FPS in a timeline of 30p?
@@agustinyousef2530 well, the timeline will be whatever framerate you tell it to be, and it doesn't matter what frame rate you put in the timeline, frames are frames for the most part. but depending on your software, you'll either have those shots as looking a little fast, or the software will interpelate new frames to adjust for the incorrect frame rate to the timeline. you probably won't notice unless you're looking. you might just see a stammering look to the few 25fps shots. As far as exporting, i'd export in the timeline frame rate of 30fps. also, I'd take it as a learning lesson to make sure you shoot in the same frame rate next time.
@@agustinyousef2530 What Jeffrey said, though with the caveat that if you tell your software (depending on the software) to "interpret" the 25p footage, I believe THAT'S what will speed it up. Kinda the same as when you throw a higher frame rate into a 30p timeline then "interpret" in order to get slowmo.
Bottom line, play with the settings and see what works. I feel like the most natural looking solution would be black frame insertion, which is semi self explanatory. Basically just have your editing software and 5 non-sequential black frames per second to your 25p footage so that there are "30" frames to be played per second, but only 25 of them are actual content.
It'll still look like 25p, but it (hopefully) won't do any weird stuttery skippy crap nor be sped up.
finally someone nailed the explanation
For gaming, ever since i started playing at 144fps, i can never go back to 30 or even 60. It just hurts my brain 💀
Well this isn’t for gaming, it’s for video production
Very well said, thanks.
faster motion does't favour 24 fps. 24 fps is and always has been meant to be cinematic.
agreed
What about shooting and exporting 60fps but shot at 1/60? I feel that it looks best, Looks nicely smooth but looks natural and doesn't look cheap and weird.
hmmm. good question. i would assume (without my own tests made) that shooting 60fps with a 1/60shutter would be pretty nice. I think it would be a quality conversion. but i haven't tested that theory. it would most likely be the way to go if you want 60fps.
You should make a 60fps video at 1/60 and see if it works or nah
Just to be clear, you are talking about shooting at 30fps and putting that footage in a 24fps timeline without interpolation? Or shooting 30fps and putting it in a 30fps timeline? I'm new at this so excuse if this is naïve. Thanks.
Talking about 30 in a 30 timeline vs 24 in a 24 timeline. Per normal workflow. / any other questions?