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I don't know if you'll answer this question due to the fact that this video was a year ago LOL. But is there anyway that you could tell me if my 2004 Volkswagen golf 2.0 MK4 model subframe... Will fit on my 2005 Volkswagen golf GTI 1.8?
Oh my God thank you so much. Nobody has been able to give me a straight answer on this... because they don't know a thing about German cars. So thank you👌😁
@@PincheALsGarage - Thanks for the walkthrough. Better than others that google returned. Recently bought a 2002 Golf TDI, from your state actually, and discovered some nuts came off when replacing LCAs. Now that I see how easy this is, I'll probably be doing this myself sometime this week.
Watched you a few years ago for the bag install in my Mk4 and you helped immensely! Now I’m back watching this while doing my sectioned subframe with TT components. Thanks for the great videos!
When I removed my subframe I put marks around where it was originally located to help with getting it lined up as close to how it was before removal, also i fitted solid bush kit to the subframe, a lot of people don't realise that a lot of steering/handling issues come from those subframe bushes being worn.
thanks, this was a big help in me understanding how subframe was attached, helped me drop just enough to remove left front swing arm bolt on my 04 jetta with auto trans in way of removal
Wonderful video; it saved me a LOT of time. I only wish I had paid more attention at the 10 minute mark. My repair was for a loose weld nut inside the frame tube under the floor. Luckily VW anticipated a need to access that nut plate. Sadly the access hole isn't big enough to remove the nut plate, but I was able to force the nut down flat to the frame rail for re-welding the nut after drilling a few holes in the rail for more rosette welds. (My welds were ugly, but it just needs to prevent the nut from turning during tightening.) My big mistake was in refitting new bolts with Loctite and being so excited that all the bolts lined up that I tightened them before locating the steering rack. Since bolts are torque-to-yield and shouldn't be reused i just tried to drive the rack into place with a big hammer and drift punch. I got the rack lined up, but it took forever.
Excellent Video! Thank you for publishing. My son and I will be replacing the subframe in his 2004 Jetta and I wanted to see how difficult it would be. You make it look pretty easy, hopefully our replacement will go as smoothly.
Thank you guys so much for uploading this. Used your vid to get the subframe off my R to gain access to the front flex plate for the prop shaft. One thing I'm not sure was mentioned is that if the car has a sway bar the bolts have to be removed as well. And if anyone doesn't have helping hands, a jack to support the subframe helps a ton. Thanks again, guys. Very informative video.
Thanks for posting, very envious of your rust free underside and running gear.... here in Scotland 25 year old bolts look like they've been under the sea! Just the subframe and rack bolts to do after lunch. 🙏😂
OMG! Amazing video quality (HD...unlike a lot of potato people are using to film car repairs). I am so glad you did this, I need to replace mine. Bushing dry-rotted to hell! Thanks!
Thanks for the upload, almost done replacing a subframe on a mk4. It was however way, way more corroded and broken. Snapped two bolts despite penetrant oil and heat. One thing of note, the subframe bolts should probably be replaced, or the risk of them snapping during driving, according to another source.
golf mk4 gti anniversary came with them as standard, previous owner of mine even went out and got a 5th for a spare! BBS RC 18" are some really beautiful wheels!
I have a problem if you could help me plz.. basically when you took off the 13mm steering rack bolts, you put them back in without a problem. My driver side, front steering rack bolt does not screw in, I can push it in and it will jus drop out.. can you help me, why is this happening, is there a nut I need to attach inside the subframe so it will screw in or is my thread bold on the steering rack we’re the bolt needs to fit into?
PincheAl, getting the alignment done after replacing the subframe was emphasized in the video. I understand that an alignment is needed even if the balljoints and control arms are removed, and that during the alignment process, the plate that the three balljoint bolts screw into, are adjusted to get a proper alignment. I'd also like to understand if there is an alignment procedure specifically for the subframe itself on a VW MKIV GTI/Jetta. My guess is that no, there is not alignment for the subframe because the four mounting bolts for the subframe, secure it in a very specific position. However, I don't want to make any assumptions. Please let me know if there is or is not an alignment procedure for the subframe specifically. Also, thank you for making this video. I gave it a thumbs up.
@@PincheALsGarage One more question. I'm only considering removal of the subframe if either of the nut plates that are welded inside the subframe and used to secures the control arms to the subframe, brake from their spotweld, resulting in the need to cut through the subframe just to remove the bolt from the nut plate. If that happens, I'll end up replacing the subframe too. And if that happens, the other thing I'll want to do is remove the exhaust pipe in order to get access to the shift linkage for the stick shifter directly above the exhaust pipe in order to replace all of the old bushings which I believe are plastic or some other softer-than-metal material. I understand that if the stick shift bushings degrade enough over time, they could break and cause serious issues with shifting gears. If I dig this deep into the car, do you have advice on getting the job done successfully and as fast as possible? Are there any special tools that you're aware of that I should have on hand? Other than the exhaust pipe and the shift linkage parts that would need to be replaced, are there other parts you can think of that I should add to the list of parts I should have on hand? Finally, would you recommend a short shifter or is it best to use OEM parts and keep the original shifter? I'll talk to a muffler shop about the exhaust pipe before removing it myself in order to facilitate maintenance of the shift linkage, After I repace the linkage, I'll have to flatbed the car to a muffler shop and hire them to install a new one. If you have any insight and advice based on what I described, and your experience, I value your perspective. Thanks buddy. I need this to go well and hope to meet up with you at a VW gathering in SoCal at some point.
@@RedondoBeach2 I have a full DIY for the rebuilding of the shift linkage. We did a short shifter as well and i don't suggest it makes the shifting really hard to find gears. I highly suggest going to dieslegeek.com for all your bushing for rebuilding the shift box and also their short shifter that goes on the transmission VS in shift box one. The job is very ez and you only need basic hand tools plus Torx set.
I have a 2006 beetle and wondering if it the same procedure what you're doing? As yours seems to be the only video I see about replacing a subframe on a Volkswagen. Thanks
Anyone got any ideas for me getting the subframe bolts out ? Have heated with oxycetaline and they still just will not budge. Scared of snapping the head off 😅
DnB-Merchant soak them with PB blaster and get a long breaker bar. thise bolts are hard to break so youll be fine. The only one i am afraid of is the sway bar end link bolt. those tend to strip a lot.
@@PincheALsGarage was replacing a wishbone today and managed to shear a bolt in the subframe. hence i watched this very helpful video and tomorrow i will be headded to scrap yard to get a subframe. or cross bar as il tell them lols
my passenger wheel sticks out half an inch would i need a new sub frame? i replaced control arms checked my wheels if the offset was different and its the same
Do ur homework before u start any project those bolts on the subrame are one time use only their stretch bolts an have to torqued to certain amount an 90%
those jackstands look stupid... do yourself a favor and get 2 x 6ton jack stands... they have a wide grip and very wide base.... fixing vehicles are a-lot easier when safety issues are ruled out
Thumbs down for not showing/tips for pressing out and in subframe bushings without a press. (Italian fingers) come on guys, u can't yada yada this stuff
PincheAls Garage Hello I have a mk4 gti I have a Clunking noise when braking to a stop from the passenger side the drives side is fine I've changed top bushes anti roll bar bushes and drop links do you think it could be the subframe bushes it a 2000 reg.thanks for replying
Did you ever fix that noise? I have the same on mine, changed arms and lower ball joint still making it, subframe bushes and dogbone are my next things to try
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I don't know if you'll answer this question due to the fact that this video was a year ago LOL. But is there anyway that you could tell me if my 2004 Volkswagen golf 2.0 MK4 model subframe... Will fit on my 2005 Volkswagen golf GTI 1.8?
@@joetrippi8591 yes it will fit.
All 1999 to 2005 mk4 platform cars can use all the subframes they are exactly the same
Oh my God thank you so much. Nobody has been able to give me a straight answer on this... because they don't know a thing about German cars. So thank you👌😁
@@joetrippi8591 you are welcome and if you can hit that SUB and Notification bell to see new video's coming soon
@@PincheALsGarage - Thanks for the walkthrough. Better than others that google returned. Recently bought a 2002 Golf TDI, from your state actually, and discovered some nuts came off when replacing LCAs. Now that I see how easy this is, I'll probably be doing this myself sometime this week.
Watched you a few years ago for the bag install in my Mk4 and you helped immensely! Now I’m back watching this while doing my sectioned subframe with TT components. Thanks for the great videos!
Wow! Thanks for being a fan and I am glad you are enjoying the content that we make.
When I removed my subframe I put marks around where it was originally located to help with getting it lined up as close to how it was before removal, also i fitted solid bush kit to the subframe, a lot of people don't realise that a lot of steering/handling issues come from those subframe bushes being worn.
Yup the steering rack sits on it so it makes a lot of sense
thanks, this was a big help in me understanding how subframe was attached, helped me drop just enough to remove left front swing arm bolt on my 04 jetta with auto trans in way of removal
Wonderful video; it saved me a LOT of time. I only wish I had paid more attention at the 10 minute mark. My repair was for a loose weld nut inside the frame tube under the floor. Luckily VW anticipated a need to access that nut plate. Sadly the access hole isn't big enough to remove the nut plate, but I was able to force the nut down flat to the frame rail for re-welding the nut after drilling a few holes in the rail for more rosette welds. (My welds were ugly, but it just needs to prevent the nut from turning during tightening.) My big mistake was in refitting new bolts with Loctite and being so excited that all the bolts lined up that I tightened them before locating the steering rack. Since bolts are torque-to-yield and shouldn't be reused i just tried to drive the rack into place with a big hammer and drift punch. I got the rack lined up, but it took forever.
I did use a floor jack with a 12" x 24" sheet of 1/2" plywood to support the subframe since I was working alone.
I'll be doing this just to solve the common problem of the lower control arm pivot bolt problem. Thanks for the video!
Your welcome
Excellent Video! Thank you for publishing. My son and I will be replacing the subframe in his 2004 Jetta and I wanted to see how difficult it would be. You make it look pretty easy, hopefully our replacement will go as smoothly.
Glad i could help...
torqeu specs of the subframe ?
@@dbekg8018 74ft lbs + 1/4 turn
Thank you guys so much for uploading this. Used your vid to get the subframe off my R to gain access to the front flex plate for the prop shaft.
One thing I'm not sure was mentioned is that if the car has a sway bar the bolts have to be removed as well. And if anyone doesn't have helping hands, a jack to support the subframe helps a ton.
Thanks again, guys. Very informative video.
Thanks for posting, very envious of your rust free underside and running gear.... here in Scotland 25 year old bolts look like they've been under the sea! Just the subframe and rack bolts to do after lunch. 🙏😂
Lol! Yeah you have that salty air and snow
Great video...I did this as a 1 man job on my Jetta GLI!
Hell yeah!
Good work
Super solid, this was very informative and to the point
With the front tires off, it’s a good idea to put them under the car, by the punch weld, for added safety. I would also get new bolts. Just a thought.
Good idea
Thanks for the video! Had to pull my subframe to gain access to one of the LCA nuts that was free spinning.
wilahinely your welcome
OMG! Amazing video quality (HD...unlike a lot of potato people are using to film car repairs). I am so glad you did this, I need to replace mine. Bushing dry-rotted to hell! Thanks!
Christopher Oshana that's great. Glad i could help
What are the torque specs ??
Solid tutorial ! Now i know what to expect, though my car is in far worse shape than yours, so i should be in for a fun time lol
Thanks for the upload, almost done replacing a subframe on a mk4. It was however way, way more corroded and broken. Snapped two bolts despite penetrant oil and heat. One thing of note, the subframe bolts should probably be replaced, or the risk of them snapping during driving, according to another source.
Thanks for the tip! Your welcome for the upload as well. :)
This video helped me out so much! Thanks!
Hi guys great video, no mention of anti roll bar
steve birkett his was removed on the car so we couldn't show how to remove it
why does it not have an anti roll bar?ive lowered mine and could do without it
Will it be easier to install the front exhaust system if I remove the subframe??
Thanks so much for this video.
You are very welcome glad i could help!:)
Thanks guys..bloody marvelous!!...I have a plethora of impacts to speed up removal..Will hand thread on reassembly as you advise.
Great Video. I am about to perform this swap on my MK4 Jetta 1.8t. Bolt is frozen on front control arm bolt. Rattle Rattle Rattle.
yeah they do that a lot
Great video!...but what happen to the torque specs?
German Specs. Goodentight
What are torque specs?
Those RCs tho! i helped my friend do this to his GTI!
Alan Ramirez thanks i am glad the video helped!
golf mk4 gti anniversary came with them as standard, previous owner of mine even went out and got a 5th for a spare! BBS RC 18" are some really beautiful wheels!
I have a problem if you could help me plz.. basically when you took off the 13mm steering rack bolts, you put them back in without a problem. My driver side, front steering rack bolt does not screw in, I can push it in and it will jus drop out.. can you help me, why is this happening, is there a nut I need to attach inside the subframe so it will screw in or is my thread bold on the steering rack we’re the bolt needs to fit into?
PincheAl, getting the alignment done after replacing the subframe was emphasized in the video. I understand that an alignment is needed even if the balljoints and control arms are removed, and that during the alignment process, the plate that the three balljoint bolts screw into, are adjusted to get a proper alignment. I'd also like to understand if there is an alignment procedure specifically for the subframe itself on a VW MKIV GTI/Jetta. My guess is that no, there is not alignment for the subframe because the four mounting bolts for the subframe, secure it in a very specific position. However, I don't want to make any assumptions. Please let me know if there is or is not an alignment procedure for the subframe specifically. Also, thank you for making this video. I gave it a thumbs up.
Sunframe does not have an alignment option however it does have some minor room for adjustment but it's just for getting the bolts in place.
@@PincheALsGarage One more question. I'm only considering removal of the subframe if either of the nut plates that are welded inside the subframe and used to secures the control arms to the subframe, brake from their spotweld, resulting in the need to cut through the subframe just to remove the bolt from the nut plate. If that happens, I'll end up replacing the subframe too. And if that happens, the other thing I'll want to do is remove the exhaust pipe in order to get access to the shift linkage for the stick shifter directly above the exhaust pipe in order to replace all of the old bushings which I believe are plastic or some other softer-than-metal material. I understand that if the stick shift bushings degrade enough over time, they could break and cause serious issues with shifting gears. If I dig this deep into the car, do you have advice on getting the job done successfully and as fast as possible? Are there any special tools that you're aware of that I should have on hand? Other than the exhaust pipe and the shift linkage parts that would need to be replaced, are there other parts you can think of that I should add to the list of parts I should have on hand? Finally, would you recommend a short shifter or is it best to use OEM parts and keep the original shifter?
I'll talk to a muffler shop about the exhaust pipe before removing it myself in order to facilitate maintenance of the shift linkage, After I repace the linkage, I'll have to flatbed the car to a muffler shop and hire them to install a new one. If you have any insight and advice based on what I described, and your experience, I value your perspective. Thanks buddy. I need this to go well and hope to meet up with you at a VW gathering in SoCal at some point.
@@RedondoBeach2 I have a full DIY for the rebuilding of the shift linkage. We did a short shifter as well and i don't suggest it makes the shifting really hard to find gears. I highly suggest going to dieslegeek.com for all your bushing for rebuilding the shift box and also their short shifter that goes on the transmission VS in shift box one.
The job is very ez and you only need basic hand tools plus Torx set.
Awesome video
Thank you!
Good video mine move like an inch to the front on one side you think it could be a bad bushing or just alignment thanks in advance
carlos ivan retana olivas your welcome.
I have a 2006 beetle and wondering if it the same procedure what you're doing? As yours seems to be the only video I see about replacing a subframe on a Volkswagen. Thanks
Yes it is 100% the same. The new beetles in this generation are exactly the same as the mk4 platform.
How much different would this be for a Mk3 Jetta? About the same?
How did you remove the bushings from the subframe?! Other than that helpful video thx
Jdogg R1 we used a press. To get them out
good vid👍
What’s the torque specs?
R u in Seattle I need to replace mine :) v good info and video thank you
i live in Escondido California
Anyone got any ideas for me getting the subframe bolts out ? Have heated with oxycetaline and they still just will not budge. Scared of snapping the head off 😅
DnB-Merchant soak them with PB blaster and get a long breaker bar. thise bolts are hard to break so youll be fine. The only one i am afraid of is the sway bar end link bolt. those tend to strip a lot.
@@PincheALsGarage was replacing a wishbone today and managed to shear a bolt in the subframe. hence i watched this very helpful video and tomorrow i will be headded to scrap yard to get a subframe. or cross bar as il tell them lols
my passenger wheel sticks out half an inch would i need a new sub frame? i replaced control arms checked my wheels if the offset was different and its the same
It can be the subframe or the spindle
Cheapest option would be to replace the bolts on the sunframe if that does not fix it get a subframe used from a salvage yard. Pretty cheap
thnks
Cool car stands ;)
BTW what camera do You use?
I used my Sony action cam before it broke a few months later
No anti roll bar on this?
Nope not when your bagged
nice video bro
thanks i have a ton more on my channel...Enjoy!
Do ur homework before u start any project those bolts on the subrame are one time use only their stretch bolts an have to torqued to certain amount an 90%
i hope i did not just watch someone crank a reused streach bolt to spec lucky it did not break but it will next time if it does not fall out
no we actually had new ones we just used old ones to show you how to install them.
The subframe of the mk4 looks like the mk3???
Pascale Demers yes they are very similar.
Hey pinche Al will a vr6 mk4 subframe work for a 1.8t ?
Yansi Cordon yes they are identical.
PincheAls Garage bro thanks for the response. Love your vids bro
Where's your anti roll bar? 🧐
We removed it since the car sits really low.
very bad spot to support the car on jacks
those jackstands look stupid... do yourself a favor and get 2 x 6ton jack stands... they have a wide grip and very wide base.... fixing vehicles are a-lot easier when safety issues are ruled out
Good idea. Thanks for the info
Thumbs down for not showing/tips for pressing out and in subframe bushings without a press. (Italian fingers) come on guys, u can't yada yada this stuff
Lol! Sorry but not sorry... I have a press and i want my job to be quick not take all day.
Hello do you answer car question
PtaY Tv Yes I do
PincheAls Garage Hello I have a mk4 gti I have a Clunking noise when braking to a stop from the passenger side the drives side is fine I've changed top bushes anti roll bar bushes and drop links do you think it could be the subframe bushes it a 2000 reg.thanks for replying
PtaY Tv sounds to me to be control arm bushings or the dogbone bushing
PincheAls Garage Thanks I was wondering if it was that the ball joint.thanks for your time
Did you ever fix that noise? I have the same on mine, changed arms and lower ball joint still making it, subframe bushes and dogbone are my next things to try
this is actually a terrible video, fuck you guys make me laugh😂
Lol! Your welcome