I always thought Jamie was 18-21 year old guy who was Joe's prodigy/apprentince who no matter what he achieved, he could never truly satisfy his father figure's demands and expectations. Until the day Joe grows old and on his death bed he tells him "im proud of you son" just before he dies which makes Jamie finally worthy and the day he goes from apprentice to master.
Yeah, Redban hits the nail on the head. The media presented the Metaverse as this innovative new thing that nobody'd ever seen before and was going to take the world by storm, where in reality that kind of game (or whatever you want to call it) has been around for years and years. Second Life, VR Chat. It's been done before, and it's a competitive market. And there's nothing about Metaverse that's really that exceptional.
There's been a few apps that I've been "required" to download and use for work. The moment I see "by Meta" I'm fuckin' out. Sack me, I'll never need your so much that I'll involve myself with Facebook.
Metaverse first started with crypto and blockchain. Zuck copied the idea. It doesn’t belong to him. Facebook was just the first big company to put a face on it.
That's bc a lot of people who talk bad about VR have never even tried it lol. After a while in VR, you forget you're in VR and even graphics stop to matter to join brain. It's incredible how fast our brain can adapt and use th e controller as an extension to our arms. Kinda like how tools like hammers are extensions of our limbs to our brain. Also, this guest knows very surface level VR lol. I'm not a VR fanatic, but this guy sounds clueless
@@demiano8605 You must be young. Wait until you're 30+ and you'll see that suspension of disbelief will be orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve. If you are old and you manage that, then I am seriously jealous. (I'm 36)
I'm 23 and I find it pretty easy to get immersed. I don't really think much about which buttons I'm pressing to do certain actions. When I pick something up I'm just picking it up
Games like VRChat are really immersive and it's pretty social. You play long enough and you really feel there. The problem is its not advertised and if not shown properly people will dismiss it . There are high quality realistic worlds and avatars, full body tracking but you can also choose to be in a more cartoony play or be a more cartoony character
Been watching joe Rogan for YEARS, this was the first time I’ve seen Jamie. Good to see you brother you’re the backbone to this show love your work and your voice
@@Vaul. more likely jarret stretched the truth a lil bit. Perhaps his only intake of Joe is from Clips/shorts. But if you've been watching joe for years...you've seen jamie.
He promoted this oculus and meta verse because he was on this and they gave it to him to shill... and it clearly failed ha.. he uses other headsets every week
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ and become a new person in this life. John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew 4:17 KJV From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV - Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Metaverse lets you move between games with the same avatar and bring items with you. It really needs to be in the game engines. Meta introduced that in their API but it was those cartoony and limited avatars. If you played VRChat then you can get the metaverse. Just imagine that the different worlds in VRChat are completely different games. A system for universal objects is needed. Graphics isn't the biggest issue, rather the world acting real. Things need to work like IRL.
Joe is not clueless. I would be willing to bet that he is more knowledge on any given subject than the average person. He plays dumb to produce a good podcast. No one would listen to a podcast if the host does ask interesting and relevant questions on the topic.
My problem is it puts a graphics engine between me and solving my problems, at least from a business pov. Although I could see some benefits for demonstrating things, like products, new homes, etc.
As a VR user/enthusiast for a while now, I've said this for some time: VR will forever be too cumbersome for the average person. We already live in the Metaverse, people. We are connected to the internet through our devices constantly. We are biological beings: we gotta eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, go outside, interact with people physically, etc. During all these experiences, you can still use your phone, but VR would be difficult to say the least. I think somewhere in-between is possible with AR glasses.
Yeah, I think once they get AR and figure out how to lose the bulky headset and get something people can always wear and it’s not clunky and in the way it’ll take off and we’ll actually get real world issues and changes. I think sci-fi and fantasy has spoiled us and most will hold out for when the tech gets good. Kinda like computers and stuff back in the day.
@@DisabledPsychedelica I just recently bought a VR headset, but it really feels like computers in the 80s and 90s. And VRChat is like the internet in 90s. But if that's the case, and if technology keeps improving at a similar pace, I think it will definitely blow up eventually. Like, nobody expected people to be on the computer or on their phone all the time 30 years ago.
@@Woolong-ql1jh I use my quest for fitness nearly every day. It's a great way to trick your brain into enjoying cardio workouts. I haven't got into the social apps much. When people say "Metaverse", I guess they are referring to VR Social apps? Everybody throws that word around without defining it.
@@danielm5161 For sure, man. I use my VR daily, sometimes for socializing, education, meditation, teaching/coaching, and most often for exercise. It’s a great intermediary option from real world experiences and in some cases is even better. I’ve the pro, so the comfort level is great and the visual, auditory quality of apps is sufficient for my tastes. Looking forward to to it progressing significantly
@@CoachJJ I have the pro too. My favorite thing about it is the space between the lenses and your eyes. I didn't think i'd like that but once you use it, putting on the Quest 2 feels almost unbearable. Meta should include that design feature into the Quest 3
That color passthrough on that Quest 3 is the metaverse as a pre teen. Wait until it's in its a senior in highschool. I believe its gonna be hella compact and it's gonna be interesting to see
I noticed something evil when I saw the first commercial for the metaverse. It was a huge theater packed with people wearing goggles interacting in their own worlds. While Zuck 0:18 walked around the Theater not wearing Goggles, telling us what the future WILL look like
It didn't take off because it's still too early and all the meta games look like PS1 goofy games. I think it's gonna be massive in the next 10 years or so though
Yeah. I really want to be able to buy a vr set one for me and one for my son so when hes with his mom we can go online together and explore different worlds. Just hanging out on crazy planets. Like ready player one.
It’s a huge money grab, I guess they spent way more resources on code to track users and monetize the scary amount of data they’ll collect than they did on the aesthetics of the experience!
or rather, where is the push for the metaverse coming from? What's the actual motive behind building a digital replacement world for people to live in?
Pretty much. Even if it does work, the cost to get going is going to be ridiculous. There's a reason why betamaxx failed and vhs dominated. Cost and convenience. It's so much easier for someone to FaceTime with their real face and talk to someone over video than obscuring themselves behind some cartoony character. Plus a lot of people aren't tech savvy and i don't see metaverse being some perfect vr world with zero hiccups.
From my perspective, the problem was 3 issues: 1 - They didn't have the right programmers for the job. For this to have worked, it needed to have high graphic quality and animation, and they apparently just figured anyone would do for this job. The result was something that, graphically, looked about a decade old. You're not going to draw too many people into your VR world when it looks like it was hastily drawn by a 12 year old. 2 - There wasn't adequate public interest. Gamers are interested in this sort of thing, but to get their attention you needed quality graphics, which was a complete fail. Out of the rest of the population, interest in VR was tepid at best. A really good marketing barrage could've helped to fix this problem, but the marketing was pretty generic once all things are considered. 3 - Last, but probably not least: cost. Over 70% of the population is living paycheck to paycheck, and then you want them to not only dump hundreds on this VR set that hasn't impressed as much as you'd hoped, but then also dump money into this digital metaverse for things. Which is just a case of get a clue. Most people don't have a lot of disposable income to throw around; if you want them to throw it your way, you gotta give them a damn good reason to. And you didnt. Thats my take, anyway.
The thing is is that it's not going to work by having people opt in. You're going to have to have it incorporated into phones or computers or whatever. The hell is coming next so that you're looking at people in AR And they're looking at you in AR and then something the size of a ball cap becomes the VR experience that your buddy just says throw on your gear and you're in. My son says You need haptics, but I don't think you do just for conversing and watching a concert or visiting places around the world
The main reason for the graphics is their main headset - Quest 2, which runs on a mobile chip should be able to run it since its the best selling headset and the reason behind marks metaverse investmens
I feel it was Zuckerberg's public relations issues and Facebooks invasion of privacy. People started to not want Facebook and the trend subsided. You needed a Facebook account to use occlusion, and people were like, oh, well I don't want that.
I think #2 is the main reason, maybe when it's glasses with a long battery life it will be more popular. #1 isn't true because they had many top end developers like John Carmack working on it.
Simplest issue, the price to even consider trying do the metaverse was a barrier, and that is even before you get to people judge seeing if there is utility to it in the first place.
One major thing that wasn't discussed in this video is the cost of running a super realistic metaverse. It is super expensive to have that experience and I personally know this first hand trying to build one.
Online games like World of Warcraft were the first metaverse.. People would hang out in a virtual world and chat all day long and if you get bored with hanging around the social area, usually a city center, near a bank, you could go do stuff in the game and earn rewards. A game centric virtual hangout is the right idea rather than a virtual world without much to do but screw around with each other.
Second Life :) It hasn't stopped improving as it's user built. They don't have the $$ to pay the staff to do things for the new VR that users do own their own in SL ;)
Also while I agree part of it has to do with frame rate, the reason folks get motion sickness is because visually they're seeing they are moving in a 3D space, however the body interprets that your legs should have motion as well to be able to move gradually through a space. Because that is not the case the mixed signals to your brain are in part what causes the motion sickness.
Yes it works both ways. Sensing motion (inner ear) while you are not seeing it and seeing motion when you don't sense it (inner ear) are both ways to get sick.
@@dragons_redI'm prone to motion sickness and it's definitely the former that can trigger it for me. Meta and VR in general would be a nightmare for me.
@@dixen9116 Yes and no. I sometimes can become more resistant to it in some situations if I use certain strategies while in a vehicle. But, it's always there. There's no getting rid of it.
1 I love seeing Jamie involved, especially pushing back. 2 Redban just completely ignores all of Joe’s questions. “Doesn’t metaverse have higher graphics too?” “Yes. But metaverse is so cartoony.” Bro it’s one or the other 😂
Something can have a higher fidelity and look higher res, with smoother edges and have better animation, but still look like its from Xbox Kinect. Where as VR chat has rough edges, things aren't consistent, lighting might not be realistic, but the textures and the stuff in it is trying to be more life-like, I think thats what Redban meant.
You're totally right(and it's goofy they speak on it in that way), but i do think there is value in trying our best to represent psychedelic visuals with maximum fidelity.
Zuck's metaverse needs to fail. All the new Meta goggles have inward facing cameras to track eye and facial movement. This is the real motivation. This is the guy who pioneered harvesting every scrap of data from people's online activities to feed into algorithms designed to keep people using the products as much as possible. You give a company like that access to watching facial expressions and eye movement in addition to all the other data they are collecting, and the consequences could be terrifying. You guys should get Tristan Harris back on the show. Maybe talk about the grandfather of AI leaving Google just to warn people about the dangers we are facing right now.
"inward facing cameras to track eye and facial expressions"... so basically like all modern smartphones can do? With their selfie cameras looking directly at you when you use the phone? Hate to scare the pants off ya, but this is well within Google and Apple's capabilities already, as basically the entire smartphone market is running their OS 😂 There's actually a movie that alludes to this - Ex Machina (2014). Here the creator of the artificial general intelligence uses all the world's smartphones (naturally unbeknownst to the end user) to train his creation on recognising facial expressions and emotion, among other things.
Haha everyone surprised to see Jamie. I remember when he was working with Redban and he would switch to Redbans camera, but would be so stoned that he would forget to switch back to Joe's camera for like minutes at a time.
Question for the vr to mimic actual trip without taking acid , dmt etc- a big part of the trip experience is say seeing sounds, tasting color any info on how world building and tech may be working towards those experiences that encompass more than just visual and audio but incorporating all senses and attempting more sensory experiences to include touch taste etc cross experience (which is super extra but also vital to real feelings that happen when you’re doing it)? Good stuff thanks for the glimpses into possibilities!
It’s not even close. I mean just listen to how redban talks about it - he’s solely focused on the visual aspect (like a lot of people unfortunately) and it does a good job recreating that! But as far as total blending of senses & the vast possibilities of mental effects? I can’t imagine how software developers any time soon will mimic the full spectrum of a strong psychedelic experience when the real thing is so tailored to the personal experiences of the individual.
And tY for the quick answers and insight from kind reply and the whole experience is defined not by just visual but the experience of connection to rest of the universe on molecular level and the uncanny power of feeling the doorways in mind opening to previously inaccessible spaces within our own mind and rest of entire universe in huge and minute ways getting the keys to new rooms in brain and deeper understanding of the connection to each other and universe that is so much of the magical and comforting feelings that come with it 😇💕🫡🪄
It will take time and a big must have application to really compel people to enter the metaverse. For example, if you could shop in a virtual mall which will perfectly match your bodily dimensions to the exact clothes you want and you could see how you would look that would be neat. Other immersive experiences that feel more and more realistic would be great: virtual concerts, vacations, sex etc would be interesting and would bring more people.
At the moment it seems like fitness apps are the most successful. I use my Quest for cardio almost everyday, it's really fun for that. I never use it for social apps though which is what people are usually referring to when they say "Metaverse" I guess.
@@danielm5161that seems about right. Metaverse schmitverse. Who cares about a bunch of socially awkward japanese cartoon loving people? I use my quest for driving and flight simulations, for cardio when I can’t go out and for solving puzzles. I talk to people in person…
Putting on the headset is simply too much work. I use an oculus occasionally but just thinking about clearing out a space and getting the headset on, drawing the boundary, probably needing to update the games I want to play, then knowing the games I want to play I cannot sit down for, it’s just exhausting. And 80% of the western world doesn’t care about playing video games to begin with. The main appeal to anyone who doesn’t like games is probably just VRChat and similar activities, but all the work it takes to set up the headset makes it feel easier to just go hop on discord or go to a bar. I couldn’t believe how hard Facebook was pushing for this stuff, it was never going to take off at this level
@@dixonhill1108 those “virtual LSD experiences” make me think it’ll be a looooong time before it could possibly have a similar effect on the mind as the real thing, like Joe suggests. And the way Redban talks about it is even clearer - it’s only focused on the “visual” aspect, sometimes auditory too. I get that a lot of people associate psychedelics with the sensory effects but that’s not even the half of the full experience
@@CantTellYou So true, I´ve expirenced super-intense trips almost completely without the funky visuals. Just truly, concnious on another level, like a diffirent one. I was in my head, observing the pattern of my own thoughts, understanding them better, thats how it felt like anyways. It was super wierd, I´m definetly not explaining it correctly. I´m just trying to agree with your point - "the visuals aint even half of it". English is not my primary language, thank you.
I think it’ll gain more fandom when it works with your actual surroundings. Even though I’m not claustrophobic whenever I put it on I still feel vulnerable to whoever or whatever is outside my view. I think it’s a natural fight or flight and since you can’t fight what you don’t see you just leave it alone. Might be a stupid idea but it’s my stupid idea 😂
The true barrier to entry isn't "putting on goggles", it's being able to afford a VR headset and a big enough living space to sensibly use it in the first place. For glasses-wearers like me, another major hurdle aside from the ridiculously high price tags on any headsets with at least somewhat reasonable screen resolution and pixel density is that not a single VR headset I've tried so far genuinely works while wearing glasses. They might somewhat fit over your glasses, sure, but you get exponentially more light spillage, ruining contrast, the screens/lenses have to be that much farther away from your face, ruining precision... the only alternative would be to replace those lenses with bespoke corrective lenses, which is another major investment, and at the end of all that, you've invested easily three times as much as you would have paid for a top of the line regular PC monitor, which would give you at least 120 Hz, VRR, much greater contrast and brightness control, and hassle-free use for every type of user, in every type of environment.
During COVID my interest was pretty strong with the Metaverse, but now very rarely I'll go on the Occulus. I get what he says about Horizon Worlds being cartoony, but there are real stayers in that community. Some are still on there every day, it's nuts.
I use my quest for fitness nearly every day. It's a great way to trick your brain into enjoying cardio workouts. The "Metaverse" though is just an ill-defined word, I don't think anybody even knows what that word means.
I want to say this. I do not get seasick, I do not get car sick, I don't have any kind of balance issues or visual problems. Virtual reality headsets and moving around in those worlds, with that camera, makes me want to vomit after about 5 minutes. I don't know why, I wonder if anyone else goes through this.
It’s simple. We don’t want it . Just cause someone really rich and famous invents something doesn’t mean we will buy it or enjoy it . WE have the power in what succeeds and fails . And most of all I don’t think the majority of people even enjoy having screens on screens on screens 24/7 . Reality is more enjoyable with minimal technology
You really think gamers don’t want to hold a real (fake) gun, on a 360 revolving treadmill and play realistic COD? C’mon man, people want it. We just aren’t ‘there’ with the technology yet. Once the tech get to a point where it’s unrecognisable with real-life, people will lose their shit. And that’s just one use-case. Of course, the use cases are endless.
I remember the exact same arguments against the internet, but here we all are. It's nowhere near as good as reality, but we love it. Just see what happens as the hardware, that's uncomfortable now, becomes a lot easier to use. Zuckerberg didn't invent anything, and will fail, but the metaverse will take off, that's inevitable.
I agree. Personally I think once gen z become parents themselves we'll see a shift. My gen z kids already hate their screens, can see the damage it's doing to them, but don't see how to live without them. Once children become involved and they need to consider their kids future aswell we will see a big culture shift imo
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Seeing Jamie was like having a real life Bigfoot sighting.
It took me by surprise. That’s the first time I have seen him on camera during a show
I closed my eyes out of respect.
@@blonk333 Lmaooo
@@blonk333 lol
Young Jamie as a guest would be the best JRE ever
Joes last ever episode should be with Jamie and they should talk about / recap all the amazing guests interviewed over the years.
Is Jamie not working for Joe anymore?
actually a great idea
Wdym last?
Rogan will never know which episode is his last because he'll do it until he dies, and that's why this show is great
Dope idea
I always thought Jamie was 18-21 year old guy who was Joe's prodigy/apprentince who no matter what he achieved, he could never truly satisfy his father figure's demands and expectations. Until the day Joe grows old and on his death bed he tells him "im proud of you son" just before he dies which makes Jamie finally worthy and the day he goes from apprentice to master.
@@alistair9905 precisely
Bro 😂
💀💀💀
Te mamaste wey
Young jamie
Yeah, Redban hits the nail on the head. The media presented the Metaverse as this innovative new thing that nobody'd ever seen before and was going to take the world by storm, where in reality that kind of game (or whatever you want to call it) has been around for years and years. Second Life, VR Chat. It's been done before, and it's a competitive market. And there's nothing about Metaverse that's really that exceptional.
I think what is killing the Metaverse is the point that a lot of people don't want to be involved with Facebook.
Right. Name it whatever you want. It's still Facebook.
where are the climate assholes for this? The power required to run the servers in the data centers for this?
That’s got to be a big part. I just love how Redban narrowed it down to “no legs tho” 😂
There's been a few apps that I've been "required" to download and use for work. The moment I see "by Meta" I'm fuckin' out. Sack me, I'll never need your so much that I'll involve myself with Facebook.
Metaverse first started with crypto and blockchain. Zuck copied the idea. It doesn’t belong to him. Facebook was just the first big company to put a face on it.
Jamie finally having some screen time, he’s like Ferb only speaks when it’s facts
😂😎
Great comparison
That is still one of my favorite shows
Was thinking Wilson from Home Improvement, hear him but never see his full face
I think he goes on camera when he personally is weighing in and not simply “pulling something up” or fact checking.
no one ever mentions how immersive and realistic VR sim racing is. i wish It were talked about more
That's bc a lot of people who talk bad about VR have never even tried it lol.
After a while in VR, you forget you're in VR and even graphics stop to matter to join brain. It's incredible how fast our brain can adapt and use th e controller as an extension to our arms. Kinda like how tools like hammers are extensions of our limbs to our brain.
Also, this guest knows very surface level VR lol. I'm not a VR fanatic, but this guy sounds clueless
@@demiano8605
You must be young. Wait until you're 30+ and you'll see that suspension of disbelief will be orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve. If you are old and you manage that, then I am seriously jealous. (I'm 36)
I'm 23 and I find it pretty easy to get immersed. I don't really think much about which buttons I'm pressing to do certain actions. When I pick something up I'm just picking it up
Games like VRChat are really immersive and it's pretty social. You play long enough and you really feel there. The problem is its not advertised and if not shown properly people will dismiss it . There are high quality realistic worlds and avatars, full body tracking but you can also choose to be in a more cartoony play or be a more cartoony character
Been watching joe Rogan for YEARS, this was the first time I’ve seen Jamie. Good to see you brother you’re the backbone to this show love your work and your voice
It’s not all that uncommon. He’s been on camera countless times
@@zach3955 some people have lives, Zach
@@Vaul. more likely jarret stretched the truth a lil bit. Perhaps his only intake of Joe is from Clips/shorts. But if you've been watching joe for years...you've seen jamie.
Very gay
He's usually just spazzing out over there on SNOPES fact checking everything those right wingers are saying.
There's also the fact that many of us hate Facebook/Meta and we don't want to support or be tied to that company in any way.
Better delete your IG as well
There's also the fact that they have been exploiting people for data for a long time, nobody trusts facebook, no one
Yea exactly. I could have been more hyped if I wasn’t 100% sure every move and sound I made was being captured as sellable data
@@Treebranch_ glad people are not being duped as easily anymore
@@daveweisbrich1769 don't forget Whatsapp
Jaimie has come along way from when he slightly intervened in the conversation and Joe starred daggers at him
It wasn't because he butted in but because he was calling their sponsored product "weird".
@@zacharysmith4787 didn’t know that. That’s fair
He keeps saying it’s for kids like he’s not a grown man living his life in another VR world 😂
I love it when Brian is on, brings me back to the old JRE days, stoner conversations and watching crazy internet videos.
But with more maturity..much better now
He promoted this oculus and meta verse because he was on this and they gave it to him to shill... and it clearly failed ha.. he uses other headsets every week
Really? Me too.
Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ and become a new person in this life. John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew 4:17 KJV From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV - Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I agree. I love the episodes when Joe brings on Brian. Jamie tends to be more involved and it's just 3 buddies talking about random shit.
Seeing Redban and Joe together is always nostalgic.
Makes me feel a little old that I've been watching this podcast for over a decade.
Wild to think this podcast has been rolling that long and still entertaining
Joe needs to play Gran Turismo 7 on PSVR2. It would melt his brain
@@fullmeasurefitness8217 it isn't tho whenever someone like redban is the guest, that guy isn't funny just like Bert.
I've been watching since the UStream days, too
Just means Yerr dumm
Metaverse lets you move between games with the same avatar and bring items with you. It really needs to be in the game engines. Meta introduced that in their API but it was those cartoony and limited avatars.
If you played VRChat then you can get the metaverse. Just imagine that the different worlds in VRChat are completely different games. A system for universal objects is needed.
Graphics isn't the biggest issue, rather the world acting real. Things need to work like IRL.
“The dog knows you’re trippen” 😂😂😂
been a JRE fan since 2011 and seen hundreds of shows/clips. This may be the first time I've seen so much young Jamie!
I thought he was black
I like that Jamie camera pov. Let's get more of those it's not JRE without Jamie.
I didnt know he was that old, young Jamie no more
That totally threw me off. Quite different. Not saying it's bad, just different.
@@josephphelps4510 lol u must be new
It's my first time seeing this man 😮
Kind of what I imagined him to look like
I have been watching/listening for 7 years on and off and have never seen Jamie until today. Bless him
Joe sees a dog "dog knows you're tripping" LMFAO
I’m just happy VR Chat was finally mentioned on this podcast lol.
i like how no matter how clueless Joe Rogan might be about it he stays curious and asks questions to learn more
The part where he says “wow”
He’s trying to get immersed but clearly is just not that interested.
It’s his job
Joe is not clueless. I would be willing to bet that he is more knowledge on any given subject than the average person. He plays dumb to produce a good podcast. No one would listen to a podcast if the host does ask interesting and relevant questions on the topic.
@@blayneharris3206 what subject is Joe knowledgeable in? History? Mathematics? Philosophy? All he knows is professional fighting and comedy.
joe’s finally hit the old man confused by technology stage 😂
I was thinking the same thing. He's lost and confused.
You seem triggered
In Joe's defense, everyone was confused by Zucks metaverse. It was like he tried to gaslight us into believing this was what VR is. Lol
Lmaoo yeah i know what u mean, he seemed so clueless in the whole discussion
You know they are probably high, right?😂
Doesn't surprise me that Joe somehow is able to bring up psychedelics though this conversation.
Chimps on DMT
“If we can’t explain it in less than 3 minutes, we aren’t there yet.” Very well put.
Seeing Young Jamie is like seeing a mermaid riding a unicorn.
On a double rainbow
🤔Young Jamie? 🤨😁
Rarer than a unicorn riding a mermaid.
I fucking love that on a rare occasion he shows himself, it’s at first with a browser window laid over top like a mask
More like Mr. James
1st time I’ve ever seen Jamie, watched 100s of full JREs for last 10 yrs. Super Coolio
Just thought that
He looks much older than he sounds
I've seen him many times
he has been seen a couple times
My problem is it puts a graphics engine between me and solving my problems, at least from a business pov. Although I could see some benefits for demonstrating things, like products, new homes, etc.
I normally skip Redban episodes after listening to some of the early JRE episodes but I think I'll give them a chance now
When Jamie’s face doesn’t match with what you thought he looked like
Exactly. I imagined him being a skinny clean shaven 24yr old
@@anon7596 It's called covid years.
10 years makes one not as young anymore.
Same
As a VR user/enthusiast for a while now, I've said this for some time: VR will forever be too cumbersome for the average person. We already live in the Metaverse, people. We are connected to the internet through our devices constantly. We are biological beings: we gotta eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, go outside, interact with people physically, etc. During all these experiences, you can still use your phone, but VR would be difficult to say the least. I think somewhere in-between is possible with AR glasses.
Yeah, I think once they get AR and figure out how to lose the bulky headset and get something people can always wear and it’s not clunky and in the way it’ll take off and we’ll actually get real world issues and changes. I think sci-fi and fantasy has spoiled us and most will hold out for when the tech gets good. Kinda like computers and stuff back in the day.
@@DisabledPsychedelica I just recently bought a VR headset, but it really feels like computers in the 80s and 90s. And VRChat is like the internet in 90s. But if that's the case, and if technology keeps improving at a similar pace, I think it will definitely blow up eventually. Like, nobody expected people to be on the computer or on their phone all the time 30 years ago.
@@Woolong-ql1jh I use my quest for fitness nearly every day. It's a great way to trick your brain into enjoying cardio workouts. I haven't got into the social apps much. When people say "Metaverse", I guess they are referring to VR Social apps? Everybody throws that word around without defining it.
@@danielm5161 For sure, man. I use my VR daily, sometimes for socializing, education, meditation, teaching/coaching, and most often for exercise. It’s a great intermediary option from real world experiences and in some cases is even better.
I’ve the pro, so the comfort level is great and the visual, auditory quality of apps is sufficient for my tastes.
Looking forward to to it progressing significantly
@@CoachJJ I have the pro too. My favorite thing about it is the space between the lenses and your eyes. I didn't think i'd like that but once you use it, putting on the Quest 2 feels almost unbearable. Meta should include that design feature into the Quest 3
That color passthrough on that Quest 3 is the metaverse as a pre teen. Wait until it's in its a senior in highschool. I believe its gonna be hella compact and it's gonna be interesting to see
that trip simulation is almost on point tbh
I noticed something evil when I saw the first commercial for the metaverse. It was a huge theater packed with people wearing goggles interacting in their own worlds. While Zuck 0:18 walked around the Theater not wearing Goggles, telling us what the future WILL look like
Wtf are you on?
He's an absolute muppet.
wouldn't be a joe rogan video without some conspiracy in the comments section
That was a melodramatic photo taken out of context during a conference.
Vanilla Sky, the "Life extention program" commercials were less creepy. Same sh*tty shady vibe as the real deal here tho. Pfizuck PZuck Ptoo!
Lol this the first time I've ever seen Jamie. Guy is more elusive than a tasmanian tiger
exactly somebody you want for the job, somebody who doesn't want attention
He should stay elusive.
Jamie is a closet progressive
Is he really closeted? Seems pretty obvious. Guy is a pukestain. He googles real good though, can't deny that.
@@eddiemcdonald4720 you think it’s a closet involved? His opinions since he started have been pretty open...
“Dog knows your trippin” 😂😂 thought that before
Good to see Jamie. VR really shines in simulators IMO.
It didn't take off because it's still too early and all the meta games look like PS1 goofy games. I think it's gonna be massive in the next 10 years or so though
10 years from now it’s going to be 10 years behind
😆😆
Who payed you to say this
Its at least 25-30 years away, even if its possible after 10 years, you would need more 10-20 years to make it marketable and make money out of it.
Yeah. I really want to be able to buy a vr set one for me and one for my son so when hes with his mom we can go online together and explore different worlds. Just hanging out on crazy planets. Like ready player one.
You know theres something wrong when Zucc spent billions on the Meta project, yet it looks worse than VRChat
That's the thing I never understood... why does it look like a video game from 2005.
What even is it?
@@NotKimiRaikkonen So that people with shitty computers could still use it.
It’s a huge money grab, I guess they spent way more resources on code to track users and monetize the scary amount of data they’ll collect than they did on the aesthetics of the experience!
Its called tax deduction. Dude is just dodging taxes pretending to be inventing stuff. Its Jewish Lighting Joey Diaz was talking about all over again.
I use to do vr boxing and occasionally my gloves and the opponent would start glitching out and it would always make me feel sick
Seeing Jaimie was like seeing Mr Wilson from home improvement got me so hype
Let’s reframe the question: Why on Earth would the Metaverse ever succeed?!
Ya beat me to it! ;)
OK boomer
or rather, where is the push for the metaverse coming from? What's the actual motive behind building a digital replacement world for people to live in?
Total boomer. FACEBOOK’s dumb attempt at a “metaverse” failed, but THE Metaverse is coming. It is unstoppable.
i guess people is too young to remember the first time this happened: Second Life.
Meta verse is the laserdisc for the 2020s
Pretty much. Even if it does work, the cost to get going is going to be ridiculous. There's a reason why betamaxx failed and vhs dominated. Cost and convenience. It's so much easier for someone to FaceTime with their real face and talk to someone over video than obscuring themselves behind some cartoony character. Plus a lot of people aren't tech savvy and i don't see metaverse being some perfect vr world with zero hiccups.
🤣
Nailed it
Nice
@nicholas6900 I guess you don't know.....porn decides that we got vhs and not betamax...just like they did with blu-ray over hd-dvd.
what kind of vr headset do have good sir
"nobody has legs" was so funny for some strange reason
Joe can understand complicated world issues, complicated science things and politics, but when it comes to VR and video games, he gets very lost lol
And then says he was addicted to video games because he played Quake for a week 😂
Exactly why metaverse won’t work.
He's not knowledgeable about the subject but seems to keep up well when it's explained to him.
The word "Metaverse" doesn't have any specific meaning. It's just a marketing term that people are taking way too literally
@@bostonspinach8144 Not even sure why anybody would want to admit that being a full grown adult
From my perspective, the problem was 3 issues:
1 - They didn't have the right programmers for the job. For this to have worked, it needed to have high graphic quality and animation, and they apparently just figured anyone would do for this job. The result was something that, graphically, looked about a decade old. You're not going to draw too many people into your VR world when it looks like it was hastily drawn by a 12 year old.
2 - There wasn't adequate public interest. Gamers are interested in this sort of thing, but to get their attention you needed quality graphics, which was a complete fail. Out of the rest of the population, interest in VR was tepid at best. A really good marketing barrage could've helped to fix this problem, but the marketing was pretty generic once all things are considered.
3 - Last, but probably not least: cost. Over 70% of the population is living paycheck to paycheck, and then you want them to not only dump hundreds on this VR set that hasn't impressed as much as you'd hoped, but then also dump money into this digital metaverse for things. Which is just a case of get a clue. Most people don't have a lot of disposable income to throw around; if you want them to throw it your way, you gotta give them a damn good reason to. And you didnt.
Thats my take, anyway.
The thing is is that it's not going to work by having people opt in. You're going to have to have it incorporated into phones or computers or whatever. The hell is coming next so that you're looking at people in AR And they're looking at you in AR and then something the size of a ball cap becomes the VR experience that your buddy just says throw on your gear and you're in. My son says You need haptics, but I don't think you do just for conversing and watching a concert or visiting places around the world
The main reason for the graphics is their main headset - Quest 2, which runs on a mobile chip should be able to run it since its the best selling headset and the reason behind marks metaverse investmens
I feel it was Zuckerberg's public relations issues and Facebooks invasion of privacy. People started to not want Facebook and the trend subsided. You needed a Facebook account to use occlusion, and people were like, oh, well I don't want that.
We sell oculus where I work, and because a Facebook account was required people decided against the purchase.
I think #2 is the main reason, maybe when it's glasses with a long battery life it will be more popular. #1 isn't true because they had many top end developers like John Carmack working on it.
Redband is the reason JRE exists hate him or love him
The thing that vr can NEVER replicate without brain stimulation is the body feelings of a psychedelic experience..
Seeing Jamie for more than 3 seconds made my day 🎉
super nostalgic to see a Joe & Brian doing an episode together again, but definitely throws me off whenever Jaime chimes in 😂
Stop copying comments. Don't you have a mind of your own?
Jamie needs to know his place. He isn't on salary to speak.
@@-chrisburkewhat an arrogant comment
Simplest issue, the price to even consider trying do the metaverse was a barrier, and that is even before you get to people judge seeing if there is utility to it in the first place.
One major thing that wasn't discussed in this video is the cost of running a super realistic metaverse. It is super expensive to have that experience and I personally know this first hand trying to build one.
No it's not. You just don't have a lot of money.
@@NumberTwo-zg9bk yup, you are right, I don't have 13 Billion to spend on the metaverse, I can't imagine you do either or have the talent to do so.
@@NumberTwo-zg9bkand Facebook did have a lot of money, and still failed
@@Howieqthey ripping you off
@@logicalmalethink4925 I love random no evidence comments like this... you would make a great lawyer.
the 80s and 90s were really the Golden Age of Humanity...
I miss them terribly 😢
World Wide Web was a mistake. I mean atleast the "Social media" aspect was.
Internet is good for getting information, but relying on it not so much
Not at all
Online games like World of Warcraft were the first metaverse.. People would hang out in a virtual world and chat all day long and if you get bored with hanging around the social area, usually a city center, near a bank, you could go do stuff in the game and earn rewards. A game centric virtual hangout is the right idea rather than a virtual world without much to do but screw around with each other.
Wow vr would be insane
Second Life :) It hasn't stopped improving as it's user built. They don't have the $$ to pay the staff to do things for the new VR that users do own their own in SL ;)
Don’t forget habbo hotel.
Using World of Warcraft as an example, Ultima Online was the first experience I had hanging out with people online.
so basically a shitty mmo with no content is what vr is
The internet in futurama is a true meta verse
This dude is hard selling his favorite little vr chat room…. Desperate car dealer vibe
Love hearing and seeing Jamie more. Respect to all those producers out there 👊
Hes more than a producer at this point tbh
He sounds like Butthead.
Also while I agree part of it has to do with frame rate, the reason folks get motion sickness is because visually they're seeing they are moving in a 3D space, however the body interprets that your legs should have motion as well to be able to move gradually through a space. Because that is not the case the mixed signals to your brain are in part what causes the motion sickness.
Yes it works both ways. Sensing motion (inner ear) while you are not seeing it and seeing motion when you don't sense it (inner ear) are both ways to get sick.
@@dragons_redI'm prone to motion sickness and it's definitely the former that can trigger it for me. Meta and VR in general would be a nightmare for me.
@@mish375 It's something you can acclimate to
@@dixen9116 Yes and no. I sometimes can become more resistant to it in some situations if I use certain strategies while in a vehicle. But, it's always there. There's no getting rid of it.
Hearing people that don’t play vr talking about vr is something else
“Dog knows your tripping.”
1 I love seeing Jamie involved, especially pushing back. 2 Redban just completely ignores all of Joe’s questions. “Doesn’t metaverse have higher graphics too?” “Yes. But metaverse is so cartoony.” Bro it’s one or the other 😂
The word "Metaverse" doesn't have any specific meaning. It's just a marketing term that people are taking way too literally
Something can have a higher fidelity and look higher res, with smoother edges and have better animation, but still look like its from Xbox Kinect. Where as VR chat has rough edges, things aren't consistent, lighting might not be realistic, but the textures and the stuff in it is trying to be more life-like, I think thats what Redban meant.
I can't believe people are confusing Metaverse for VR. Seriously wtf.
@@brokentombot I mean, I havent seen anything on this metaverse shit since the first trailer, but im pretty sure they were using VR headsets on it.
@@ThomasDonnelly1888 It's exactly what this guy is saying. There is dope af vr but then there is a weird marketed thing called "Metaverse"
I played that 90s VR in Dave and busters when I was a kid with my family. We had a blast!
This is so awesome now I just have to learn it. Thank you all
The end game goal is Total Recall. That's the only direction video games/simulators can go.
There's a lot more going on with psychedelics than just visuals. Idk how anyone could think they could simulate that with VR
I died laughing when he said that😂
You're totally right(and it's goofy they speak on it in that way), but i do think there is value in trying our best to represent psychedelic visuals with maximum fidelity.
@@thubanyeob3823 That's why I'm here lol.
Zuck's metaverse needs to fail. All the new Meta goggles have inward facing cameras to track eye and facial movement. This is the real motivation. This is the guy who pioneered harvesting every scrap of data from people's online activities to feed into algorithms designed to keep people using the products as much as possible. You give a company like that access to watching facial expressions and eye movement in addition to all the other data they are collecting, and the consequences could be terrifying. You guys should get Tristan Harris back on the show. Maybe talk about the grandfather of AI leaving Google just to warn people about the dangers we are facing right now.
"inward facing cameras to track eye and facial expressions"... so basically like all modern smartphones can do? With their selfie cameras looking directly at you when you use the phone?
Hate to scare the pants off ya, but this is well within Google and Apple's capabilities already, as basically the entire smartphone market is running their OS 😂
There's actually a movie that alludes to this - Ex Machina (2014).
Here the creator of the artificial general intelligence uses all the world's smartphones (naturally unbeknownst to the end user) to train his creation on recognising facial expressions and emotion, among other things.
You say that like your phone and computer don't already do that lol
@@scroopynooperz9051ah ya beat me to it
Tristan is 🔥 about this stuff
“ these apps are tracking us! Ban tiktok!!!” - posted from his iPhone probably
Haha everyone surprised to see Jamie. I remember when he was working with Redban and he would switch to Redbans camera, but would be so stoned that he would forget to switch back to Joe's camera for like minutes at a time.
Seeing Jamie is like witnessing bigfoot and the Moth Man tag team wrestling against a bear and gorilla team with a crocodile as the ref.
Too much dude
Up until I saw the title of this video, I had actually forgotten about the term "metaverse" .
Question for the vr to mimic actual trip without taking acid , dmt etc- a big part of the trip experience is say seeing sounds, tasting color any info on how world building and tech may be working towards those experiences that encompass more than just visual and audio but incorporating all senses and attempting more sensory experiences to include touch taste etc cross experience (which is super extra but also vital to real feelings that happen when you’re doing it)?
Good stuff thanks for the glimpses into possibilities!
It’s not even close. I mean just listen to how redban talks about it - he’s solely focused on the visual aspect (like a lot of people unfortunately) and it does a good job recreating that! But as far as total blending of senses & the vast possibilities of mental effects? I can’t imagine how software developers any time soon will mimic the full spectrum of a strong psychedelic experience when the real thing is so tailored to the personal experiences of the individual.
And tY for the quick answers and insight from kind reply and the whole experience is defined not by just visual but the experience of connection to rest of the universe on molecular level and the uncanny power of feeling the doorways in mind opening to previously inaccessible spaces within our own mind and rest of entire universe in huge and minute ways getting the keys to new rooms in brain and deeper understanding of the connection to each other and universe that is so much of the magical and comforting feelings that come with it 😇💕🫡🪄
“Dog knows you’re trippin”
I’ll get into this virtual stuff when I can walk into a courthouse on a case and just start pissing on the judge.
It will take time and a big must have application to really compel people to enter the metaverse. For example, if you could shop in a virtual mall which will perfectly match your bodily dimensions to the exact clothes you want and you could see how you would look that would be neat. Other immersive experiences that feel more and more realistic would be great: virtual concerts, vacations, sex etc would be interesting and would bring more people.
The thought of trying on clothes with VR would be a genius idea
Wanting to go to the mall in VR to try on clothes is so dystopian.
Not to mention the ho houses.
At the moment it seems like fitness apps are the most successful. I use my Quest for cardio almost everyday, it's really fun for that. I never use it for social apps though which is what people are usually referring to when they say "Metaverse" I guess.
@@danielm5161that seems about right. Metaverse schmitverse.
Who cares about a bunch of socially awkward japanese cartoon loving people?
I use my quest for driving and flight simulations, for cardio when I can’t go out and for solving puzzles.
I talk to people in person…
Jamie clearly invested in metaverse atm
Zuck sold him some snake oil haha
Gave him some stock options or something. They've been trying to improve his image ever since he went on
Shoulda drank a bud light with the label facing the camera again for this segment
Putting on the headset is simply too much work. I use an oculus occasionally but just thinking about clearing out a space and getting the headset on, drawing the boundary, probably needing to update the games I want to play, then knowing the games I want to play I cannot sit down for, it’s just exhausting. And 80% of the western world doesn’t care about playing video games to begin with. The main appeal to anyone who doesn’t like games is probably just VRChat and similar activities, but all the work it takes to set up the headset makes it feel easier to just go hop on discord or go to a bar.
I couldn’t believe how hard Facebook was pushing for this stuff, it was never going to take off at this level
The dog knows you’re tripping 😂 instantly got paranoid 😂😂
same lol, i'm like what's wrong with me why's he barking
Imagine jumping onto vrchat and your on a server with Joe and Brian doing acid in the beach 😂
You can find the weirdest people on earth in VRchat lol
Coming here after seeing the Vision Pro
Joe needs to do one of these interviews in vr chat on the moon
Roegan's World VR would be amazing. Hunting, big foot, mma, virtual lsd, etc.
@@dixonhill1108 those “virtual LSD experiences” make me think it’ll be a looooong time before it could possibly have a similar effect on the mind as the real thing, like Joe suggests. And the way Redban talks about it is even clearer - it’s only focused on the “visual” aspect, sometimes auditory too. I get that a lot of people associate psychedelics with the sensory effects but that’s not even the half of the full experience
@@CantTellYou So true, I´ve expirenced super-intense trips almost completely without the funky visuals. Just truly, concnious on another level, like a diffirent one. I was in my head, observing the pattern of my own thoughts, understanding them better, thats how it felt like anyways. It was super wierd, I´m definetly not explaining it correctly. I´m just trying to agree with your point - "the visuals aint even half of it".
English is not my primary language, thank you.
I think it’ll gain more fandom when it works with your actual surroundings. Even though I’m not claustrophobic whenever I put it on I still feel vulnerable to whoever or whatever is outside my view. I think it’s a natural fight or flight and since you can’t fight what you don’t see you just leave it alone. Might be a stupid idea but it’s my stupid idea 😂
They already have this with the newest oculus, it’s mixed reality. Using what you see and building VR on top .
Augmented reality military simulations would be so fucking cool. Like playing paintball or airsoft, but it simulates actual firearms and ballistics.
and when legs exist according to Redban 😂 the true VR connoisseur
You're not stupid. You're right that, is tough to get past.
I get that matrixy feeling too
The true barrier to entry isn't "putting on goggles", it's being able to afford a VR headset and a big enough living space to sensibly use it in the first place.
For glasses-wearers like me, another major hurdle aside from the ridiculously high price tags on any headsets with at least somewhat reasonable screen resolution and pixel density is that not a single VR headset I've tried so far genuinely works while wearing glasses.
They might somewhat fit over your glasses, sure, but you get exponentially more light spillage, ruining contrast, the screens/lenses have to be that much farther away from your face, ruining precision... the only alternative would be to replace those lenses with bespoke corrective lenses, which is another major investment, and at the end of all that, you've invested easily three times as much as you would have paid for a top of the line regular PC monitor, which would give you at least 120 Hz, VRR, much greater contrast and brightness control, and hassle-free use for every type of user, in every type of environment.
Wouldn't be a Joe Rogan podcast without the mention of psychedelics and DMT 5:10
Would love if Joe had Eliezer Yudkowsky in the podcast. He's one of the highest intellectuals that has deep understanding of AI and it's dangers.
During COVID my interest was pretty strong with the Metaverse, but now very rarely I'll go on the Occulus. I get what he says about Horizon Worlds being cartoony, but there are real stayers in that community. Some are still on there every day, it's nuts.
Redban is on VRChat every day 😂 it’s definitely got one up on Meta’s attempt, but still ‘nuts’ to me. Also adorable
I use my quest for fitness nearly every day. It's a great way to trick your brain into enjoying cardio workouts. The "Metaverse" though is just an ill-defined word, I don't think anybody even knows what that word means.
I want to say this. I do not get seasick, I do not get car sick, I don't have any kind of balance issues or visual problems. Virtual reality headsets and moving around in those worlds, with that camera, makes me want to vomit after about 5 minutes. I don't know why, I wonder if anyone else goes through this.
Joe should do an interview with a couple of sim racers, I know he's into cars. I'm a retired sim racer and could help. Joe seems to be very new to VR.
It’s simple. We don’t want it . Just cause someone really rich and famous invents something doesn’t mean we will buy it or enjoy it . WE have the power in what succeeds and fails . And most of all I don’t think the majority of people even enjoy having screens on screens on screens 24/7 . Reality is more enjoyable with minimal technology
You really think gamers don’t want to hold a real (fake) gun, on a 360 revolving treadmill and play realistic COD? C’mon man, people want it. We just aren’t ‘there’ with the technology yet. Once the tech get to a point where it’s unrecognisable with real-life, people will lose their shit.
And that’s just one use-case. Of course, the use cases are endless.
"Reality is more enjoyable with minimal technologly" says who? Most people spend most of their time using tech to have fun.
I remember the exact same arguments against the internet, but here we all are. It's nowhere near as good as reality, but we love it. Just see what happens as the hardware, that's uncomfortable now, becomes a lot easier to use. Zuckerberg didn't invent anything, and will fail, but the metaverse will take off, that's inevitable.
While I agree that “real life” will always hold priority… I’m having a ducking blast in VRChat!! ❤❤❤
I agree.
Personally I think once gen z become parents themselves we'll see a shift.
My gen z kids already hate their screens, can see the damage it's doing to them, but don't see how to live without them. Once children become involved and they need to consider their kids future aswell we will see a big culture shift imo
Seeing Jamie is always a treat.
Jamie went to the Spaghetti Warehouse after COSI in the 90s
GTA 6 will probably be the big mainstream “metaverse” everyone is waiting for.
"You ate something fucked up. You're dying" this is how I will describe my fps rate.
The Metaverse is merely this decades Second Life.
I said this! Lol
And those wish they could be what Habbo Hotel was!
I think about the old toy cameras that you stare into and they show realistic pictures of animal planet or different landscapes.
The Jamie in my head is the real Jamie, and the Jamie on video is an imposter
It hasn't failed it's just incredibly early. When it becomes Ready Player 1, then people will be interested.
Once Apple releases their headset, more people will be paying attention. Apple’s VR will be early also, but with time it will improve.
Brian really wants to talk about VR beaches.
Joe really wants to talk about VR DMT.
Or you can just do DMT while in VR. Believe it or not drunks/drug addicts love vr.
I SMOKED SOME D.M.T. POWDER LAST YEAR ON 07/07/2022 - AND I HAD TO PUT THE PIPE DOWN WHEN I SAW MYSELF STANDING ALONE BY MY KITCHEN STOVE AND MY ENTIRE APARTMENT LOOKED LIKE A VIDEO GAME 🎮 FROM THE LATE 1980’S - EARLY 1990’s
AND I HAVE NEVER PLAYED ANY VIDEO GAMES AFTER PLAYING “BINATONE” / “PONG” - WHERE ALL THE RAGE BACK THEN WAS ABOUT YOU AS A RECTANGULAR SLAB PLAYING AGAINST YOUR ONE AND ONLY OPPONENT WHO WAS ALSO A PLAIN RECTANGULAR SLAB ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF YOUR TELEVISION 📺 SCREEN BATTING A PLAIN SIMPLE ⭕️ CIRCULAR NONDESCRIPT BALL AND THAT WAS ALL THERE WAS ON THE SCREEN… (I AM 50 NOW - SO NO TIME OR INTEREST IN VIDEO GAMING OR VIRTUAL REALITY HEADSETS!!!)
ALL THE COLORS OF EVERYTHING IN MY APARTMENT BECAME SO MUCH CRISPER AND CLEARER AND HAD SUCH AN INTENSITY THAT ALL I COULD COMPARE THIS TO WAS TIM BURTON’S RENDITION OF ALICE IN WONDERLAND STARRING JOHNNY DEPP AND HELENA BONHAM CARTER - MY CONSTANT DEEP CLINICAL DEPRESSION WAS IMMEDIATELY GONE - AND I FELT SO GOOD AND AT PEACE - LIKE I WAS WHEN I WAS 19-20 BEFORE MY FIRST YEAR LONG BOUT OF DEEP DEEP CLINICAL DEPRESSION WHEN I COULD NOT FUNCTION AND WAS SLEEPING 16 HOURS A DAY - I WAS LIKE WOW 🤩 I FEEL LIKE MY OLD PRE-DEPRESSION SELF AGAIN!!!
I WENT AND SAT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY COUCH 🛋 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I PHYSICALLY FELT LIKE I WAS FALLING BACKWARDS DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE 🕳 EVEN THOUGH I KNEW THAT I WAS STILL SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF MY COUCH!!!
SADLY THIS AMAZING DMT TRIP ONLY LASTED TEN MINUTES AND I PAID $120 CASH FOR 0.1 g OF THE VERY FINE YELLOWISH TINTED POWDER THAT AN OLD FRIEND OF MINE TOLD ME IS THE 5-MAO D.M.T THAT I SMOKED.
BEING THAT ALL OF OUR BRAINS 🧠 PRODUCED MINUTE QUANTITIES OF D.M.T - BY FLOODING MY BRAIN 🧠 WITH MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF D.M.T. THE VEIL OF OUR SO-CALLED “REALITY” HERE ON THIS PLANET 🌎 WAS LIFTED FOR TEN MINUTES AND I REALIZED THAT WE ARE ALL INCARNATED HERE IN A SUPER SUPER UNBELIEVABLY TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED VIRTUAL REALITY VIDEO GAME THAT WE ALL THINK 💭 AND FEEL IS REAL LIFE…
WE ARE ALL IMMORTAL SPIRITUAL BEINGS HAVING A HUMAN EXPERIENCE CALLED A LIFETIME HERE ON THIS PRISON PLANET (AND THE SENTENCE IS LIFE!!!) AND THE MATRIX CONSTRUCT KEEPS US TRAPPED HERE REINCARNATING LIFETIME AFTER LIFETIME AFTER LIFETIME AND ERASING ALL OF OUR MEMORIES OF EACH LIFETIME LIVED - SO THERE IS NO ACCUMULATION OF KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM FROM ALL OF THESE LIFE EXPERIENCES - AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE WE ARE ORIGINALLY FROM (AS IMMORTAL SPIRITUAL BEINGS) AND WHY AND WHO DUMPED US HERE AS “UNDESIRABLES” AND FOR HOW LONG…???
I IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE READ OR LISTEN TO THE AUDIO BOOK “ALIEN INTERVIEW” PUBLISHED BY LAWRENCE SPENCER BACK IN 2008
THAT BOOK BLEW ME AWAY WITH ALL OF THE MIND BLOWING INFORMATION GIVEN TO A NURSE AT THE 509th BOMB GROUP IN ROSWELL NEW MEXICO - BY THE SOLE SURVIVING ALIEN 👽 FROM THE 1947 ROSWELL UFO 🛸 CRASH…
@@dixonhill1108 bruh i did vr on acid a while back and when i took it off I was still in the matrix and might be to this day
Ligmaland is hand down the best VR Chat world, I could spend YEARS in there
"Dog knows you're trippin"