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@@emgimeer8212 All this talk about the future doesn't matter because we're in the present. And in the present, yes the Metaverse, NFTs, and Crypto looks like a bunch of scammers. Because it's only a bunch of scammers or a bunch of rich people riding the trend. Unless you can show it's value and worth as a system (beyond being a shittier way of doing things) NOW, there is no reason to even consider "oh the representation will clean up later" or "NFTs will be in the background" because that does very little right now. Like Eddie said, "but what are they offering now?"
Topic for next video? I report whenever I see them, but it comes so quick. The "new" thing is verified accounts that copy and paste totally harmless comments, so when I report it's spam, I'm _sure_ the YT doesn't understand why.
Seeing somebody else finally say out loud “hey isn’t living our entire lives on the internet kind of scary?” is honestly such a relief. I feel like I haven’t seen anyone emphasize that enough, that shit would really suck.
God, teen me would've loved this. But also I was a kid with depression, anxiety, divorced parents, had just moved to a new town and undiagnosed ADHD. So of course, I would've loved this idea. But now, in my mid to late 20s, I'm just like... this sounds like a fucking nightmare. I don't want to be on the Internet everyday, but due to Covid and such, it's the only thing I have right now. It's just, yeah, it is a scary thought.
But it’s a nicer room than the room than I’m in, and in VR I don’t have to go to the bathroom, because there’s no module for it yet. I’m not sure what happens IRL, but as long as I stay in metabubble, I’m sure everything will be fine.
After coming out of almost 2 years feeling like I was trapped on the internet and couldn’t leave. I know for a fact that going to a physical bar, being able to see my family face to face, hanging out with my friends in person is always going to win over any virtual expirience
@@evolicious What are you going to be drinking, cyber beer? Or are you gonna be drinking your own beer at home, in which case, why not omit that part if it’s not part of the VR experience itself?
@@realleon2328walkabout does it well. It gives you the ability to play minigolf in places where minigolf cannot be played in real life (like on a space station, or under the ocean, or in an MC Escher painting) with up to 8 people, no matter the distance. I moved last year and Walkabout has been a great way to do something with my friends from afar without being able to be in their area and without tying me to siting at my PC, which I have to do all day for work. The problem is people are treating VR like it’s trying to take over real life experiences, when right now it excels best at supplementing existing entertainment choices.
The no legs thing is extremely lame. We have a population of people who are a lot more sophisticated than a pre-schooler. Did they refuse to pay their modellers/animators for more than a couple of days work?
It's funny, because it sounds like they *want* to add legs eventually, which is why the models just have empty space below them as opposed to something like Rec Room, they just...don't want to at the same time, I guess?
@@damienearl8302 As a modeler, and someone who knows about character creation, and animation, it is utterly, UTTERLY ridiculous not to just include the entire avatar from the beginning. Did they just fire the team too early and expect the last worker to quickly tidy up? Or are they so childish that they believe avatars don't exist from the waist down? It makes no sense at all.
@@TiffyVella1 I almost feel like they're just trying to make people believe these things are harder than they actually are, and are absolutely failing in the process
Mark wants to sell experiences that are free to us. Like hanging out with friends, having a gaming night, and more. Mark literally wants to capitalizes on social experience.
… I wonder if he would have rights to the experiences and products thereof… he could delete photos/videos if at any point, they violate terms and conditions…… he could sue for royalties of music and art created within the metaverse…
The Metaverse sounds so depressing to me. A bunch of people never leaving their chairs, just soaking up whatever garbage Zuck approves of. I love gaming, love technology but find Mark's vision very isolating and alone.
@@dws49 damn you beat me to it. was gonna say Mark probably watched/read Ready Player One ten too many times and is trying to make it real, but kinda failing.
Facebook literally just capitalizes/profits off of human social interaction, that’s their entire business model. By putting a piece of tech in between you and your friends/family, they essentially gain full control of everything you do and say with them in ‘private’. It gives them unprecedented access to relationships and people. This is an actual dystopia.
Well it would be if it was working but it’s cratering still in the present and metaverse is now a place people go as a meme. Any normal people get run off pretty quick by the weirdos wanting the meme. If you haven’t been on I highly recommend. I have laughed harder on Vr meta than anywhere else due to sheer absurdity
i'm pretty sure a majority of ppl feel the same way and i deff think it's because that's exactly what's going on. or like an intelligent extraterrestrial being who was sent to whatever the fuck ivy league to learn human behavior and more importantly social connection and he got too cocky too fast so dropped out and became successful in human and/or his species' societal role/purpose quickly but without all the fundamental pieces of authentic human interaction, he believed facebook would suffice for collecting the vital information and knowledge of blending into the human species. but now zucky is in the shit too deep and now slowly the facade is starting to fall apart especially taking into account earth's oxygen which is probably fucking up his extraterrestrial biological functions or something. or he's just like, a deep fake or clone or some shit idfk alls i do know is zucky is so extremely uncomfortable to witness.
the second he said "you can virtually go to a concert and buy merch" it was clear that the whole point was to sell stuff and expose us to ads every second of our day
I'm thankful that most of the music I like is by hobos for hobos, I'll never have to feel like I'm missing out on some chucklefuck hatsune-miku-nightmare-zone 3-D TV concert ft. Ads.
@@edaj1990 I recently came to a realization that customers at retail stores don’t read signs anymore for that exact reason. We’re forced to just block out anything that even _looks_ like an ad.
The timing couldn't be worse either. We've all just spent the best part of two years being unable to properly interact in person, go to live events, or hug our friends. We are acutely aware of how much we want those things, and here's Marky Fivehead telling us to carry on doing it all remotely. Get in the fucking sea mate.
honestly, they were probably hoping to drop the idea earlier, but the legal issues and fine probably set them back. $5bil? why do you think it looks like knock-off apple memojis? 😂 now he's likely capitalizing on people's fear of going outside. i know of more than a few people who have developed some agoraphobia due to lockdowns.
My thoughts exactly! I can't wait to NOT video chat anymore and actually meet people in real life! I don't want to shop online, I want to go to shops and flea markets and yard sales and whatever! I want to travel and experience things in real life that make me forget to check my phone!
Mark's biggest mistake was using himself as the face of the Metaverse. Does he not realize nobody trusts or roots for him? This is a game, not a lifestyle.
I'd never actually seen footage of Mark Zuckerberg until this video, and I gotta say, I see the whole robot meme now. Also the Metaverse idea absolutely terrifies me
I feel like they really bronzed him up for the meta verse video too. Probably a calculated decision to make him look less like the subject of a cursed painting.
What a weird time to be pitching this too. After 2 years of being separated from friends and family and not being able to go to social events, this is the last thing the majority of people want in any demographic.
Maybe banking on pandemic getting worse. That or the conspiracy theorists are right and they actually control all of the vaccines, and shut them all off to promote their terrible VR platform
Meta is fucking stupid, but if anything the pandemic supports the case for meta. The ability to more closely simulate the social experience of hanging out with your friends, or working in an office, or whatever it happens to be without having to be socially distant would be a massive benefit.
I personally haven’t tried VR, but I have been told it does a decent job of fulfilling the social need to interact with someone who is embodied in space, so I think they are hoping people will latch onto it as a substitute for physical social interaction because everyone is pretty alienated by the inadequacy of video calls which people have been forced to use the last few years. Personally I hope it flops so that there are fewer excuses for people to prolong the ‘new normal’ indefinitely.
I'm convinced that Facebook's (I guess Meta's now) marketing team is intentionally sabotaging the company for laughs. These dudes literally made the pitch for the super bowl ad like, "Hey, people aren't taking Meta very seriously, so I think the perfect way to fix that (and really connect with those youths) is with a gritty five nights at freddy's redemption arc ad!"
It's not that they're doing it intentionally, it's just that the kind of people who work in marketing are fundamentally the kind of people who don't understand the internet or young people in general.
The message I got from the ad is that meta views its prospective users as goofy, broken garbage robots who have (or will have) no lives. Its strongly implied that as is, we users have outlived our usefulness and will be forced to use meta in the future to eke out anything resembling a livelihood
This metaverse thing is what happens when CEOs don't listen to their design team or their user researchers. Or don't keep people on that is telling them their making the wrong decisions and fires them instead.
I love how almost nobody has ever actually defined what “metaverse” is even supposed to mean. It’s so blatantly a borderline-meaningless corporate buzzword, and I feel like I’m getting gaslighted every time someone talks about it as if it’s supposed to be a product with any distinctive meaningful features. It’s selling the very idea of buying something valuable-never mind what it is. Fucking gross.
Metaverse is a term that comes from novels and the main antagonist in almost every story the antagonist is a Megacorporation trying to gain a monopoly thats why "Facebook's Metaverse" is such a dystopian concept
The word metaverse is widely believed to have first appeared in the book Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson in 1992! So it definitely did start out to mean a cyber dystopia and basically still means the same thing
do you think people are seriously going to buy/sign up for metaverse? i garuntee you that there will be like a 100 trolls at best entering servers for few months before the meme dies and they move back to Vrchat.
Mark’s behavioral characteristics are on the extreme end of antisocial mindset. This difference in personality is why he thinks the Metaverse will work while everyone else can see the uselessness of it.
One sucky part is that "metaverse" was already a word before Facebook rebranded as Meta. So not only is this them cheaply attempting to distance themselves from the shitty things Facebook is known for, but they're also naming themselves in just such a way that "Metaverse" is now a brand name that they own, and any other virtual world thing either has to be specified as "lowercase-m metaverse" or we need a new name for them. Basically it's just dumb and the pinnacle of megacorp and I hate it.
It's pretty interesting that we've reached a point where people reject new tech, not because it's "new and scary" but because it's just not what we want anymore
I'm pretty happy about this new development. It feels like people are slowly growing wise to the fact that just because something is new and shiny doesn't mean it's an inherent good.
The entire video is about how none of this is new though, so I’m not sure I get what you mean. The reason no one cares about this is BECAUSE it’s not actually new.
This is how I see this playing out: I’m out shopping, I find something I really want but someone told me amazons meta verse has it cheaper and I can price match. So I leave the place, go home, ignore my family, boot up my headset. Probably spend a few hours in the verse cause Amazon will probably just make a gigantic factory so it’ll take a while to find the item. It’ll probably littered with Amazon video and music ads. Once I find it cheaper I then take that item to my canon printer metaverse where after another few hours I can print a physical copy. I drive back to the store and I price match my item. Then I realize I’m not sure if I have enough money in my bank account so I have to do this whole thing over again to check my balance with chase and their metaverse. The future looks so awesome. I can wait for this crazy inconvenience.
tbf, when it comes to getting money from a customer, they do everything they can to make that experience fast and easy. There's no way you would need to do anything but use your AI-based visual camera to ID a product (or scan a QR code), and then hit the buy button and the item gets to your door in 2-5 days. It's when you go off the norm and try to find something obscure and not part of your usual algorithm while using preferred third party channels is what you are referencing. Point of sale systems are deliberately nightmarish to work with in that context. The convenience you are referencing doesn't work like that and never will. Because the experience I described isn't about some future system, you can literally do that, right now, at any store. That's a system light years more advanced than the system you have described. The future would be using AR/XR devices that will scan an item you are looking at using eye-tracking, then depending on your heart rate, the item gets added to a wishlist or instantly bought. Better yet, for extra dystopian-vibes, you can only buy an item with specific social credit scores. Not enough social credit, and you won't be able to buy from a brand that you gave a low rating or you publicly bad-mouthed them on social media. China has a similar system right now but only for government and public use. Seeing a similar system get applied to retail would be a total nightmare That's a scary future to live in. Luckily, it's not entirely inevitable for all of us.
I think he does, but just wants to make sure people will tie the name Meta into exactly that from this moment on to make absolutely sure no one ever remembers that it was not Facebook creating the idea...
this is very integral to a lot of Sillicon Valley guys, actually. Uber or some other idiots were like "WE'RE GOING TO REVOLUTIONIZE THE WORLD. Imagine UBER, but its CHEAPER.HOW? They have set stops and you can get on or off at those stops." motherfucker, those are BUSES. they thought they invented BUSES 😭😭😭
It's almost like that $100 billion was not actually spent on this metaverse product and instead was laundered for paying for other things............ Especially when we see college kids with $0 make a better virtual social platform over a weekend in unity or unreal than meta could ever make. Fun fact, the new Quest Pro is 100% from Microsoft, it's MS software and hardware, literally the Hololense3, but with a meta sticker on it. w/e Meta is doing with hundreds of billions of dollars, they are not making software or hardware.
So, I recently graduated after spending 4+ years making VR programs and I had an internship for a government division. They floated around the idea of using our XR division to check out the metaverse and see if we can use it to our advantage. This was about the time when they announced that legs would be coming into the metaverse. I told them not to bother but they went ahead anyway. I hope my boss decided to abandon the project after all this time.
The bit I found the most horrifying, apart from, y'know, all of it, was the idea that when you want to be alone in the metaverse that rather than log off or take off your headset, you would join a room in the metaverse just by yourself, proving that fb hasn't changed at all (cause no shit) and still wants you using their platform for the most amount of time so they can use all your personal data to sell you shit
whos target audience like facebook moms and dads arent gonna trust it, young people already hate facebook(which is why i thought they bought instagram), and then on top of that make mark the main speaker someone who has already lost the the trust of the like everyone, like this was his chance to distance himself, how does he not know he a walking pr disaster
Old people won’t understand it, middle-aged people won’t trust it, i’m willing to bet that some younger people will fall prey to it but most of them realize how trashy it is.
I think the virtual concert could be a good idea for people with disabilities or sickness. Like if someone gets overwhelmed with loud sounds or huge crowds but loves a certain artist they can go and have control over the volume and still technically have their space. I mean that’s what I would use it for lol
That's nonsense. Cause a virtual (with avatars, not filmed in 3D-VR!) concert doesn't make the experience better than the music played at your home entertainment. And a concert filmed in 3D-VR and seen with VR will also scare a person who is scared from huge crowds. And why do you want to lock disabled people in their flat? Didn't we just try nowadays to include disabled people into our real live?
@@Cajek2 Funny enough, that's not even remotely possible due to the virtual space being easily manipulated with hacks and exploits. The first few launches of metaverse were all cancelled becasue kids found out ways to harass users, lmfao. They did private launches and then surprise, it was quiet, empty, and boring.
The thought of living my entire life on the internet is terrifying, I don't know why they're trying to sell that when it's obvious nobody wants it. What's actually cool is augmented reality, holograms, all that stuff, but everytime there's a product based around that concept, it's done so poorly that they have to discontinue it a year later. Idk man, let me project a movie from my phone so I can watch it with some friends and family instead of trying to market a virtual room with flying torsos.
I’m only still using Facebook and Instagram (also Twitter) because I am involved in a shit ton of activism. I want to see power hungry (wannabe) dictators like Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Scott Morrison, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un and that Xi cunt who took over China all brought down and the people woken up that they are not the people to support!
For me personally, I can only hope this will fail the same way I saw 3D television in all it's forms fail not even a couple of years later after seeing it being predicted to be the next best thing on the IBC in 2010. Yes, it's incredibly cool to look at my models in Blender (which is why I mainly bought a second hand set of glasses) and it can help tremendously well to look at something in a model and have my brain go "Woooow that's completely out of proportion!" whereas in 2D I did not have that feeling at all, but I get motionsick incredibly easy, unfortunately.
It's like he saw all those dystopian movies and said to himself, I want to make my own matrix, I want to be the machines! He needs to take his billions, be thankful he'll never see prison, and take a nap instead of trying to sell water during a monsoon and trying to own rain.
So I managed to think of literally one thing I'd want to use VR for, and that's being out in nature during the winter, like walking through a forest or sitting by a river. I do that a lot in the summer and really miss it during the cold months. But that would require much better graphics to be worth anything, because cartoon trees aren't gonna cut it for that purpose.
Ah yes, my favorite kind of "after-party", the kind where everyone just stands in a room doing nothing except buying shirts and wearing them. So glad Mark is bringing this experience to the digital age.
The only "afterparty" was I've ever been too was mostly just people getting high or taking forever in the process of organizing who's riding home with who, and that involved me guarding the door to the bathroom while a guy I met that same day lost his virginity inside. And I also helped solve the mystery of the night's poop bandit and almost wound up frotting a stranger within a span of like 5 minutes. Not sure what a normal afterparty is like but my personal experience leaves me seriously lacking in any faith a VR experience could replicate it. Which is kinda the whole point. VR stuff like this will never be able to replicate what it's trying to replace. The chaos of humanity cannot be properly expressed when it's so limited. I dont hate VR as concept, it's very cool and I'd love to try it, but trying to use it to monopolize human interaction is a nightmare world
it seems like Mark’s preferred audience/user base are those he assumes don’t evolve their internet or online experience outside of what he directly provides them, so i suppose it makes sense that he’s telling them this is new, even though it is not true.
I find it so terrifying that a lot of peoples lives and business things revolve around facebook- even to the point that some phones are sold with facebook already installed!
this is a great point. he can't convince anyone remotely familiar with the internet because the product doesn't make any logical sense, but he has a chance with those who are less in touch, particularly older generations. they might not have the resources to understand that what this is is shitty exploitation. it's super fucked up
Little did you know that a year later that being able to block people without them being able to pay to bypass your block was going to be a feature for social media
you know I always thought it’d be cool to live in a cyberpunk dystopia cuz at least I’d get a cool robot arm. yet here I am, living in said dystopia with a severe lack of cool robot arm
@@moldyreesescups Honestly, the glassy eyes and shinny skin read as some sort of Lovecraftian amphibian creature. We're beyond lizard man at this point.
11:28 - 11:46 the Ready Player One movie 😂😂 they’re just using VR headsets That closing gag about the social network had me laughing so much!! I love that movie and Andrew 😂❤
great video eddy, loved the commentary and punchy one liners.... i might as well re-vamp my MySpace account.. which is essentilly what Facebook has become
The problem with their pitch about the privacy features is that it assumes that what people need privacy from is other users, while what people actually need privacy from is the company itself.
By the way when you first get on ‘Metaverse’ it kindly reminds you “like a neighbor would” that they record your audio for YOUR safety. Every breath, every tone, every sentence you say being sold off to another company of dubious origin. Thanks for keeping us safe Mark!
As a zoomer who spent a good portion of my entire childhood socializing in online spaces and having the pandemic put a damper in socializing into my young adulthood. You arnt wrong with how dystopian it feels. I don’t want to be sold over priced ugly graphics and fake nft bullshit that some underpaid artist got shillings to make in a dark room. I don’t want to be sold an abstraction of socialization that I could more easily get for free on the “old” internet. All that money and for what? The same old stuff we’ve already had being sold to us at a higher price and more exclusive and even less tangible. I don’t want a new internet, I want affordable housing, affordable education, I want a community that is happy and healthy and doesn’t hide from itself chasing the idea of happiness behind a headset, I want to live. Not pretend like I am living.
As depressing as this sounds, happiness in social environments are something you need to actively seek to cultivate. Unfortunately our society is too selfish to want to foster mutually beneficial and healthy relationships. The type of change you're seeking is going to take a nationwide shift in consciousness which is highly unlikely.
It's not that bad. Don't exaggerate too much. You don't need to be addicted in Internet to choose just play a game with friends using VR or talk with a stranger in a virtual city, or even study in a social virtual group, it's fun and it won't be bad especially if you know how to use it properly and not get addicted. It will helps a lot more than you think, it's just about self control. Of course you still should have social life, don't expect a world where everyone is connected, addicted in VR. People have brain (even smaller ones). They have to work, to meet friends, to date someone, to live real life, rhey simply can't live their entire lifes in a world which doesn't exist (I mean youngers, like underages could, because they still doesn't have a much complex life). VR will be just one more amusement to people who wants to have a more immersive experience on things, and there's any problem on it, it's actually a good thing. If someone is addicted to it, that's their problem, it doesn't bother to anyone who build that VR goggle, or to the concept itself.
@@phantomwarrior8686 That is quite a reply to my brief comment. You can have fun with VR stuff but that's different than an all-consuming metaverse in which virtual reality becomes a replacement for reality.
@@phantomwarrior8686 Yeah, I can hardly keep a vr headset on for more than an hour without getting sick. It’s not too hard to not get sucked into this.
I think the most depressing thing about this outside of how dystopian it all is, is that Zuckerberg seems to think we all want to live in some sort of Matrix/SAO version of the Internet. Despite, you know, these versions of the Internet are incredibly dystopian, so much so that the whole point of these movies and shows is that people want to escape from these hellscapes. Also, it completely ignores the fact that the general reaction to the last two years has seemingly indicated that people do not want to stuck in their homes living on the internet all day.
Lmao that's actually a great point. What should we pitch after people have been locked in their houses for almost two years and desperately want to go outside? I know! Staying locked in their house and never needing to go outside.
Yeah like as cool matrix is potentially, inm the series and movies, thats very dystopian. Its becaus the world is shit, and its about people waking up from it. And while SAO is not very good at commentary, its a death game, and a terrible game at thatthats only somewhat intereting, because its a death game. So the terrible game design from sao, and the dystopia and being traped from matrix yaaaay.
the fact that so many people realize how dystopian it is gives me hope though,I haven't seen anyone but Meta themselves mention the Metaverse in a positive light.
It's a cliché, but we're basically living in the most advanced metaverse ever called "Reality". Anything they create digitally will always feel like a cheap knock-off.. Like a prison.
I think a lot of people agree with this sentiment considering that we've had many dystopian works like novels and movies that have probably warned us all beforehand, there's also the fact that we've become more cynical and aware of how companies have no interest of the consumers and employee's wellbeing. It's still sort of sad that some people will fall into it and think it's amazing but in due time they will realise that it sucks
“We’re all about privacy! You can have a private experience in your own bubble!” That’s…… not what privacy is. Not at all. The idea that they could 1984 a word like that so there’s no way to describe their crimes is a pipe dream.
I laugh every time I remember that "we'll have legs soon" was one of Zuck's latest hype points, as though legs are gonna make that boring-ass world any better. VR Chat is free and I can run around as an anime catboy or Grimm from Billy and Mandy or an oddly detailed dragon demon girl, and one of my friends is doing karaoke with me as a lamp. He's pitching this new world to folks who don't already live online and he wants it to be bland and easily monetized instead.
i like how every feature of the metaverse he advertises (working, learning, seeing friends) is something you can literally do irl and for fucking free, it's absurd but also pretty evil that they are trying to market things that we already have to us, and it's even worse that a lot of people will probably end up buying into it
they should be investing in games and instead and stuff we CANT do irl like i can go bowling with friends irl but i obviously cant go flying dragons with them
I want to congratulate you on the hypothetical scenerio you made at min 11:59. A very smart, even philosophical, point regarding the strange "directionless" of today's corporate technology. Beautiful
If you want an even older example, Active Worlds has been doing 3D virtual spaces with avatars since 1995. When the media was going batshit crazy for Second Life, all I could think was, "did they never experience Active Worlds?"
This is a minor criticism compared to Eddy's complete beat down of Meta, but I hate the Rayman-esque avatars in horizon worlds. They look like Mii's and Xbox live avatars rolled into one making it so bland and safe. Eddy brought up VRchat which has a plethora of styles for your character and seeing something like Sora, Kermit the frog, and Hank Hill inside a night club is so much more interesting and funny to see. Not only that but you can see the full characters! Having a 5 year old game looking and playing better than a billion dollar company's "new" product is laughable and I'm glad people are laughing at it.
It's crazy how vrchat also (kinda) supports full body tracking, while horizon worlds, the "new and exiting experience™" is literally incapable of that because of the character designs
2:42 The first time I saw that Metaverse ad, I was like "hey that 3D model of Mark Zuckerberg looks pretty nice, only a little bit of uncanniness, looks like they're on to something!" before I realized that's the actual Mark Zuckerberg, not the Metaverse model
11:47 You nailed it here. VR is like a worse version of what we already have. It's useful for gaming and engineering but in real life, it's just nahh. I get why people might want it though, it's just bonkers that all of those smart entrepreneurs in the Bay Area have not discovered how to build a nice city yet, all of them cramming into SF or making do with a bungalow in the suburbs. Instead, it would be more useful to repeal most of our zoning codes and planning restrictions so we can be free to build pleasant, walkable cities and have these "VR experiences" IRL.
The first time I saw the word "metaverse" was in Persona 5, and it referred to an abstract dimensional overlay that criminals could abuse to enslave the masses. It's odd to me that Zuckerburger thinks that was a good name for his latest doodad.
@@brandonfaddis7443 A fair point, but you'd think Zuck could have taken five seconds to google the word to see if it had been used somewhere else before.
First time I heard the name "Horizon Worlds" I was expecting new dlc or some sequel to Horizon: Zero Dawn and got excited. This tall-headed sculpy monster ruined that dream. The best and kindest words I have for that bastard lizard in a gumby costume is that he is a party pooper.
Its ironic that while they keep emphasising the positives of the metaverse, so much of our pop-culture tells us falling for the trap of living in a virtual world is wrong and dangerous and exploitative. They couldn't have chosen a worser brand to invest in because it already carries risky cultural connotations, even more so as we all grow sick of Zoom and online communication. But in terms of the virtual world, almost everyone knows what the Matrix is, let alone other sci-fi stories in either something like Black Mirror or Love, Death Robots and all the older sci-fi literature too that keeps reminding us: don't fall for the promise of a virtual world. And with the memes of VRChat and how VR is still not that much more immersive than it was 10 years ago, none of us are taking this Metaverse very seriously, and rightly so.
i feel like the vr stuff would also be insanely hard to implement to everyday life (like working and shopping or whatever else theyre trying to push as additional vr experiences) because everyone is so different. like the headset would be really disorienting and some people would probably just get headaches/migraines and motion sickness and other stuff, glasses would probably make it hard to wear throughout the day, etc.
One thing I have never understood from the beginning of this metaverse concept is how Meta is expecting stores to exist and sell clothes online. Not just NFTs, but like modeled clothes that you can "try on" before buying it. Like a previous commenter said, it would be impossible to have all those items modeled. 3D modeling isn't easy. Most stores (especially local and not corporate stores) cannot and will not hire someone to model everything just for a few people to see. I am really convinced that the Metaverse is just a scam and a crappy VR game.
Fr, if I wanted to put on a VR headset to interact with other people in VR headsets, I would just get on VR chat. At least that game won't sell all my personal info lol.
Im currently at the point in my life where every new internet thing just makes me want to distance myself even further from anything new in the internet. Completely surrounding myself into this garbage world is an absolut nightmare thought.
As a sci-fi nerd and someone interested in VR and the future of it, it's good to see almost all of the VR community reject Facebook's metaverse. I've seen the term "Nexus" thrown around as a community-built version of what Facebook claims to be making. Also the term "metaverse" comes from a dystopian cyberpunk novel called Snow Crash, so they're literally spelling that one out for us.
Totally agree. The most fun of vrc is the user-generated content and freedom, I doubt metaverse is going to have anything close to the same freedoms. Not only with the kind of content people can make, but also communication. I've had some fucking BONKERS conversations w ppl on vrc that I can't imagine happening in such a corporate plane like meta.
It sounds like essentializing but it's still so damn accurate. There's literally nothing that distinguishes this from VRChat other than the lack of features and customization.
i wish i was in their meetings with share holders so i could shit on all of marks 'new' ideas that is old technology, 5 years old, free and hes pitching as his own new idea. shareholders would realise that hes full of shit.
@@Cobalt985 Don't forget the fact that you have to buy goods and items in Metaverse. Instead of, you know, just uploading your own world like you can in VR Chat.
As someome who casually plays Vr chat on a headset for a few laughs and to socialize for a couple hours. The metaverse geuinly terrifies me, because I have met people on there who spend every waking hour on the app or in virtual spaces. Stuff like this preys on very emotional, vulnerable, people who cannot face reality at all and do not ever want to leave. It is the most dystopian thing I have experienced and its extremely depressing.
Yes. I've never done VR chat, but I've been online for some decades, and I don't really know how to put this into words so I'm going to butcher it just to get it off my chest. By all measures, I'm supposed to be the one who doesn't know how to socialize, is quiet, is awkward, is socially stupid, and yet I've come to repeatedly realize I'm NOT that.... because I actually grew up. I'm willing to accept failure and fear and look at other people like they are human beings in existence too.
THANK YOU Your the only person I’ve seen so far to mention this We’ve always supposed to have been the socially awkward but you know we’ve grown up when we realize that the following sounds depressing Spending all your time online, and it sounds even worse with the new meta verse letting you basically do everything but eat and drink on it
It's both good and bad to know that my fears about the metaverse weren't unfounded. It's good that I'm not alone in seeing how dystopian the world is becoming as technological advancement depends on sanguivorous billionaires who just want to take advantage of vulnerable people and capitalise off of mental illness and even su*cide among young people. But it's bad (or rather, explicitly evil) that vulnerable people are taken advantage of in the first place.
Thank god there aren't literally thousands of books and movies about why a virtual world that requires all of your attention/money/time/etc. that's run by a sketchy company is dangerous and a terrible idea. Otherwise, I wouldn't be so excited for the Oasis- oh fuck, um, Horizon Worlds.
@@wilymuppet8941 to be fair, considering that the world became nuclear wasteland, it's very nice of robots to actually keep humankind alive. And some humans (or maybe just another robots in disguise) know how to repair human bodies in order to adapt to real world.
And it's gonna eventually crumble. The ideas in the so called "dystopia" is unstable enough that it's not going to last. This also applies to NFTs, the beanie babies of the 2020s.
My dad and I wanted to get a VR set, so we looked at them found the Oculus Quest and were like "oh this is under $400!" but then saw it was made and owned by FB and that you had to use FB for it to work, so we bought the Valve Index instead. My family spent an extra $700 just to avoid Facebook. edit: some people are saying that we made a dumb decision to spend more on the headset (if valuing privacy is dumb, then sure). I should also clarify that the Index and and Quest are not really even comparable in terms of quality and power. I have a very high-end gaming rig so I also kind of wanted to be able to take advantage of the Index's superior capabilities. Trust me the extra $700 was *worth it*
Hey Eddy, just wanted to say I watched your video and I'm glad somebody is finally brave to admit they are a gamer. I think if we all speak up about this problem, we could heal the wounds and end the stigma
I have yet to meet one single person who is like "Wow, cool, fun, this sounds like a great idea!" I find our collective worry and dislike for the metaverse quite comforting... We need to look out for any vulnerable people that get sucked into it and give them community because that is the only type of person I see this product serving... The incredibly isolated and lonely.
My college has flyers posted around campus advertising a class on how to make stuff for the Metaverse or whatever. However, I've never heard anybody say they want to take it.
I remember being told by one person a couple months ago that the Metaverse is the next big thing. Can't remember who it was, but I remember disregarding anything they said afterwards
Was sat next to a crypto-bro at lunch today who was really into NFTs. Only person I've ever had the displeasure of meeting who thought that the metaverse was even a slightly good idea. On an unrelated note, was also an anti vaxxer.
It gets even scummier when you realize how NFTs actually work and buying an "NFT hoodie" doesn't mean you actually bought the hoodie. You bought the rights to claim that you own a line of text that the hoodie is only associated with (not attached to). Buying an "NFT hoodie" in VR means that at any second, Meta can either change or delete the hoodie whenever they want because technically you did not buy it. What you bought was a line of code and the hoodie is used to "represent" that code.
facebook changed its api backend coding several times since they started. A lot of in game apps got wiped when the creators couldn't afford to keep patching them. I doubt anyone wants to play candy crush on the metaverse lol At least Microsoft owns a lot of ip to games. And gives game creators a few years notice how to code for the next platform update. CEO may be a boomer but wants quality before releases.
Honestly its crazy to me that they named it metaverse. Like, after the metaverse in a classic sci-fi novel where the whole concept was that people used the metaverse to escape from an overly corpratised hellhole of a world and then the metaverse becomes the exact same thing they were trying to escape from. And before its even off the ground people are already talking about real estate. Like, they have to know what they're doing. This isn't some incredible idea, its just a way to strip more money from consumers and you know they're going to rely on fomo to do it.
@@Evbuscus1 It's old hat. A few outliers in the Second Life virtual real estate hustle made hundreds of thousands to low millions of dollars in the '00s.
honestly when i first heard of it, its just a copy and paste of imvu but with vr. but imvu has massive problems with iso individuals if they dont feel comfortable in someone elses room and then no one comes to your room if you do create one. Like its been done a good handful of times that model of chat room and it never works out. They think there different cause there facebook lol
Seriously even a goddamn genshin impact has a feature where your character's legs realistically interact with terrain. A DAMN MOBILE ZELDA BUILT AROUND A SCAMMY GACHA SYSTEM GOT THIS RIGHT! (Though thinking about it Facebook is still shittier than this)
Bruh. Unity and Unreal both have IK in-engine support, you just implement it with some drop downs and it's done. Just shows that maybe the $100bil zuck lost was spent on......other things........ Probably protection from the maxwell black book list. Or paying china, russia and the altright/rightwing to influence the US politically towards fascism. Maybe might be something to do with saving face of metric tons of failure and defeat at the hands of millions of users that don't like facebook anymore. Most likely, all of the above.
@@landchannel7688 to top it off, Facebook's new VR device comes straight from Microsoft. Like literally software, hardware, all off the line directly from MS, just like the Lenovo WMR (Rift S). Just put a meta sticker on it and sell it as their own XR device when it's literally just Hololense3 (HL2 was sold to the military and was instantly hated when used in field testing, lmfao).
It literally took me a week to program a functioning full body VR avatar setup in Unity, and while their tools might be more difficult to use, they have infinitely more budget and time
It's weird that metafacebook gets fined $5billion for misusing and abusing peoples privacy rights and the victims don't see a dime of that money. I just... don't understand that at all
So 5 billion over 2.9 billion monthly users. Let's say that it only concerns US citizens, so about 100 million. That's what? 50 bucks? Is it really worth the administrative labor to send every citizen 50 bucks? Maybe they could do it as a tax write-off if you have a sufficiently old facebook account.
@@ashleydavis3318 it's more than possible to payout that money. Many class actions in the past have sent out checks for literal pennies on the dollar and not all the 100mil users will sign up to claim the money, increasing the individual payout for everyone else.
Something about that Super Bowl ad is so dark...like "The real world is dark and cold and uncaring, so come escape to this beautiful virtual world where everything is okay!" It's so...nasty
When Metaverse was presented all I could think is "This just looks like shitty VR Chat" and that is exactly what it is. Here is why Facebook wont succeed. This type of technology only appeals to the younger generations or those who enjoy this type of technology. Those who enjoy this technology probably already know that Facebook is one of the worst platforms for privacy and is run by a bunch of money hungry individuals. For that reason alone no one will buy into this metaverse shit. Why give Facebook anymore of your information when you can experience the same thing in VR Chat.
True. And the best way of creating a (real) metaverse is letting the people create and develop it. The metaverse being in charge of a company (and specially Facebook) is the pinnacle of a dystopian future.
They are trying to sell a VR Chat that isn't free and looks uglyier. Sure, a lot of people in VR Chat are fucking nutcases, but a free community will always be more safer and interesting then big business apps
I agree, my fear is that this is going to be sold to businesses as a new “zoom” type of tool to connect people and be able to deliver services remotely but in a more “immersive” and “controlled” environment, and that it makes businesses so dependent on it that everyone will need services/technology that integrate with “the Metaverse” to be successful. Then everyone will be dependent on it in a similar way as to how we are dependent on smartphones now.
It's insane that the world was unable to interact in real life for so long and as soon as life starts going to normal, meta decides to make a product that just continues that lifestyle most people hate
I was very annoyed when all the branding on my occulus quest suddenly changed to the meta logo with an update and Zuckerberg's grimy fingers got all over my vr -_-. To make matters worse the moment the quest 2 came out they discontinued the parts for the original, despite selling them new off the shelves well after that point meaning the internet was full of people trying to find a way to buy second hand non-broken joysticks because drift was incredibly common. In the end the reason I upgraded to the quest 2 wasn't because I wanted the newest headset, it was because I physically couldn't play the old one anymore, and a replacement controller cost as much as the entire new bundle for the quest 2.
hey guys watch out for spam bots in the comments (i just spent 15 min deleting them and they just keep coming)
That's what she said.
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@@emgimeer8212 All this talk about the future doesn't matter because we're in the present. And in the present, yes the Metaverse, NFTs, and Crypto looks like a bunch of scammers. Because it's only a bunch of scammers or a bunch of rich people riding the trend. Unless you can show it's value and worth as a system (beyond being a shittier way of doing things) NOW, there is no reason to even consider "oh the representation will clean up later" or "NFTs will be in the background" because that does very little right now.
Like Eddie said, "but what are they offering now?"
Yo, did watch the LTT on that topic? You should try the spam bot tool out, it seems to work really well
Topic for next video?
I report whenever I see them, but it comes so quick. The "new" thing is verified accounts that copy and paste totally harmless comments, so when I report it's spam, I'm _sure_ the YT doesn't understand why.
Seeing somebody else finally say out loud “hey isn’t living our entire lives on the internet kind of scary?” is honestly such a relief. I feel like I haven’t seen anyone emphasize that enough, that shit would really suck.
God, teen me would've loved this. But also I was a kid with depression, anxiety, divorced parents, had just moved to a new town and undiagnosed ADHD. So of course, I would've loved this idea. But now, in my mid to late 20s, I'm just like... this sounds like a fucking nightmare. I don't want to be on the Internet everyday, but due to Covid and such, it's the only thing I have right now. It's just, yeah, it is a scary thought.
Ro Ramdin made a great video on this a couple months ago also talking about this :)
True, its just a no no. look at the beautiful nature and life. ua-cam.com/video/cOHBfG-YzRA/v-deo.html
VRChat.
When real life sucks for enough people, they're more than ready to hop into an alternate
"You can decide when you want to teleport to a private bubble to be alone!"
It's called logging off, Mark.
Error does not compute
Imagine just sitting in a room alone. With a vr headset on. Sitting in a vr room. Alone.
But it’s a nicer room than the room than I’m in, and in VR I don’t have to go to the bathroom, because there’s no module for it yet.
I’m not sure what happens IRL, but as long as I stay in metabubble, I’m sure everything will be fine.
Ah, but you can't get ads when you log off. #wesmart
by 2040 logging off from the metaverse will result in an instant fine
After coming out of almost 2 years feeling like I was trapped on the internet and couldn’t leave. I know for a fact that going to a physical bar, being able to see my family face to face, hanging out with my friends in person is always going to win over any virtual expirience
IDK walkabout minigolf VR while drinking with a bunch of friends that live all around the world is pretty damn good too.
@@evolicious What are you going to be drinking, cyber beer? Or are you gonna be drinking your own beer at home, in which case, why not omit that part if it’s not part of the VR experience itself?
@@evolicious i feel like half the appeal of mini golf is being out in the sun and enjoying the weather with your friends
@@realleon2328walkabout does it well. It gives you the ability to play minigolf in places where minigolf cannot be played in real life (like on a space station, or under the ocean, or in an MC Escher painting) with up to 8 people, no matter the distance. I moved last year and Walkabout has been a great way to do something with my friends from afar without being able to be in their area and without tying me to siting at my PC, which I have to do all day for work.
The problem is people are treating VR like it’s trying to take over real life experiences, when right now it excels best at supplementing existing entertainment choices.
You don't understand.
Metaverse has NFTs. Why would you want to see your friends and family when you can buy an NFT?
"Limitless possibilities"
*Except legs. Legs are the limit."*
The no legs thing is extremely lame. We have a population of people who are a lot more sophisticated than a pre-schooler. Did they refuse to pay their modellers/animators for more than a couple of days work?
@@TiffyVella1 The budget was in the billions so I think it was probably to save some time
It's funny, because it sounds like they *want* to add legs eventually, which is why the models just have empty space below them as opposed to something like Rec Room, they just...don't want to at the same time, I guess?
@@damienearl8302 As a modeler, and someone who knows about character creation, and animation, it is utterly, UTTERLY ridiculous not to just include the entire avatar from the beginning. Did they just fire the team too early and expect the last worker to quickly tidy up? Or are they so childish that they believe avatars don't exist from the waist down? It makes no sense at all.
@@TiffyVella1 I almost feel like they're just trying to make people believe these things are harder than they actually are, and are absolutely failing in the process
Mark wants to sell experiences that are free to us. Like hanging out with friends, having a gaming night, and more. Mark literally wants to capitalizes on social experience.
Couldn't agree more
… I wonder if he would have rights to the experiences and products thereof… he could delete photos/videos if at any point, they violate terms and conditions…… he could sue for royalties of music and art created within the metaverse…
That's so weird to me because there are people who struggle soooo bad with that irl and I just get sad thinking they might get sucked into it
Yes and it's so creepy that he talks about it so casually, like he wants to own everything and everyone
Damn well said
The Metaverse sounds so depressing to me. A bunch of people never leaving their chairs, just soaking up whatever garbage Zuck approves of. I love gaming, love technology but find Mark's vision very isolating and alone.
it's a barebones sh1tty version of second life.
It's Ready Player One in real life... even though Ready Player One takes place in a litteral dystopia.
@@dws49 So does real life! Oh, I made myself sad.
So its like a watered down vrchat?
@@dws49 damn you beat me to it. was gonna say Mark probably watched/read Ready Player One ten too many times and is trying to make it real, but kinda failing.
Facebook literally just capitalizes/profits off of human social interaction, that’s their entire business model. By putting a piece of tech in between you and your friends/family, they essentially gain full control of everything you do and say with them in ‘private’. It gives them unprecedented access to relationships and people. This is an actual dystopia.
Well it would be if it was working but it’s cratering still in the present and metaverse is now a place people go as a meme. Any normal people get run off pretty quick by the weirdos wanting the meme. If you haven’t been on I highly recommend. I have laughed harder on Vr meta than anywhere else due to sheer absurdity
Anytime I see Mark I feel like I'm looking at an uncanny valley robot
i'm pretty sure a majority of ppl feel the same way and i deff think it's because that's exactly what's going on.
or like an intelligent extraterrestrial being who was sent to whatever the fuck ivy league to learn human behavior and more importantly social connection and he got too cocky too fast so dropped out and became successful in human and/or his species' societal role/purpose quickly but without all the fundamental pieces of authentic human interaction, he believed facebook would suffice for collecting the vital information and knowledge of blending into the human species. but now zucky is in the shit too deep and now slowly the facade is starting to fall apart especially taking into account earth's oxygen which is probably fucking up his extraterrestrial biological functions or something.
or he's just like, a deep fake or clone or some shit idfk alls i do know is zucky is so extremely uncomfortable to witness.
He looks like he's wearing a skin suit.
it's like he's trying so hard to appear and immitate "natural" body language
He literally looks like a deepfake
Watching Mark on the couch cutting to Eddy and back, Mark really really looks like it was made by a computer.
the second he said "you can virtually go to a concert and buy merch" it was clear that the whole point was to sell stuff and expose us to ads every second of our day
Exactly. It’s actually crazy how much were bombarded with advertisements in the real world and the internet everyday.
I'm thankful that most of the music I like is by hobos for hobos, I'll never have to feel like I'm missing out on some chucklefuck hatsune-miku-nightmare-zone 3-D TV concert ft. Ads.
Unfortunately it's mostly the same idea every time you visit a website, or hell, drive down the street
@@edaj1990 I recently came to a realization that customers at retail stores don’t read signs anymore for that exact reason. We’re forced to just block out anything that even _looks_ like an ad.
we black mirror now
The timing couldn't be worse either. We've all just spent the best part of two years being unable to properly interact in person, go to live events, or hug our friends. We are acutely aware of how much we want those things, and here's Marky Fivehead telling us to carry on doing it all remotely. Get in the fucking sea mate.
Shia LaBeouf has a solid point!
@@kieleleron85768 for once
honestly, they were probably hoping to drop the idea earlier, but the legal issues and fine probably set them back. $5bil? why do you think it looks like knock-off apple memojis? 😂 now he's likely capitalizing on people's fear of going outside. i know of more than a few people who have developed some agoraphobia due to lockdowns.
My thoughts exactly! I can't wait to NOT video chat anymore and actually meet people in real life! I don't want to shop online, I want to go to shops and flea markets and yard sales and whatever! I want to travel and experience things in real life that make me forget to check my phone!
@@CausaBrevitatis same!
Mark's biggest mistake was using himself as the face of the Metaverse. Does he not realize nobody trusts or roots for him? This is a game, not a lifestyle.
I'd never actually seen footage of Mark Zuckerberg until this video, and I gotta say, I see the whole robot meme now.
Also the Metaverse idea absolutely terrifies me
Metaverses already existed, and have existed since internet social apps became a thing. Long before Facebook and mainstream social media existed.
I feel like they really bronzed him up for the meta verse video too. Probably a calculated decision to make him look less like the subject of a cursed painting.
Yeah, the ZuckAI is not really impressive, at no point does he appear even remotely human.
It scared me at first too but with hindsight and upon further inspection I think it is actually just extremely stupid.
He probably looks the most human in this footage too. So yeah...
What a weird time to be pitching this too. After 2 years of being separated from friends and family and not being able to go to social events, this is the last thing the majority of people want in any demographic.
oh my god totally!
Maybe banking on pandemic getting worse. That or the conspiracy theorists are right and they actually control all of the vaccines, and shut them all off to promote their terrible VR platform
Meta is fucking stupid, but if anything the pandemic supports the case for meta. The ability to more closely simulate the social experience of hanging out with your friends, or working in an office, or whatever it happens to be without having to be socially distant would be a massive benefit.
I personally haven’t tried VR, but I have been told it does a decent job of fulfilling the social need to interact with someone who is embodied in space, so I think they are hoping people will latch onto it as a substitute for physical social interaction because everyone is pretty alienated by the inadequacy of video calls which people have been forced to use the last few years. Personally I hope it flops so that there are fewer excuses for people to prolong the ‘new normal’ indefinitely.
@@NinjaPickle what a lame conspiracy
I miss the illuminate days
I'm convinced that Facebook's (I guess Meta's now) marketing team is intentionally sabotaging the company for laughs. These dudes literally made the pitch for the super bowl ad like, "Hey, people aren't taking Meta very seriously, so I think the perfect way to fix that (and really connect with those youths) is with a gritty five nights at freddy's redemption arc ad!"
Yeah I saw that ad and thought it was a fake joke video someone made as a meme.....and then I found out it was real
It's not that they're doing it intentionally, it's just that the kind of people who work in marketing are fundamentally the kind of people who don't understand the internet or young people in general.
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The message I got from the ad is that meta views its prospective users as goofy, broken garbage robots who have (or will have) no lives. Its strongly implied that as is, we users have outlived our usefulness and will be forced to use meta in the future to eke out anything resembling a livelihood
@@benny_lemon5123 damn that’s so true
Zuckerberg looks like the answer to the question, 'What if people could be creepier looking than robots?'
He looks like those robots with fake plastic skin... Like that 'Sophia' one from years back.
at if robots could swet
This metaverse thing is what happens when CEOs don't listen to their design team or their user researchers. Or don't keep people on that is telling them their making the wrong decisions and fires them instead.
I love how almost nobody has ever actually defined what “metaverse” is even supposed to mean. It’s so blatantly a borderline-meaningless corporate buzzword, and I feel like I’m getting gaslighted every time someone talks about it as if it’s supposed to be a product with any distinctive meaningful features. It’s selling the very idea of buying something valuable-never mind what it is. Fucking gross.
It's literally just Second Life
Metaverse is a term that comes from novels and the main antagonist in almost every story the antagonist is a Megacorporation trying to gain a monopoly
thats why "Facebook's Metaverse" is such a dystopian concept
It sounds like when a nerd in a disney movie tries hacking the mainframe by accessing the metaverse. A bunch of stupid words that mean nothing lol
The word metaverse is widely believed to have first appeared in the book Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson in 1992! So it definitely did start out to mean a cyber dystopia and basically still means the same thing
It is pretty obvious that it is just a smash up of 'Meta', the company name and 'universe'.
This really is the worst timeline. I really hope everyone doesn't just forget how evil these megacorps are.
do you think people are seriously going to buy/sign up for metaverse? i garuntee you that there will be like a 100 trolls at best entering servers for few months before the meme dies and they move back to Vrchat.
Wish it was the old days when we didn’t have dentists 🦷 and we where ruled by kings and queens who died of every known plague to man. Heheheh
@@nothin1456 what?
@@nothin1456 are you comparing vrchat: garbage edition to medical science
Damn corpo scum. Have you heard Samurai? They've got some pretty radical ideas.
Mark’s behavioral characteristics are on the extreme end of antisocial mindset. This difference in personality is why he thinks the Metaverse will work while everyone else can see the uselessness of it.
1:45 "Comcast changed their name to Xfinity, which is like infinity but with an X and that's cool."
Elon Musk: Write that down.
One sucky part is that "metaverse" was already a word before Facebook rebranded as Meta. So not only is this them cheaply attempting to distance themselves from the shitty things Facebook is known for, but they're also naming themselves in just such a way that "Metaverse" is now a brand name that they own, and any other virtual world thing either has to be specified as "lowercase-m metaverse" or we need a new name for them. Basically it's just dumb and the pinnacle of megacorp and I hate it.
Be more concise
@@dac518 true lol
@@dac518 It’s like if an early web company called themselves “Inter” and it made discussing “Internet” horribly awkward and branded
@@dac518 no
@@dac518 Be more patient
It's pretty interesting that we've reached a point where people reject new tech, not because it's "new and scary" but because it's just not what we want anymore
I'm pretty happy about this new development. It feels like people are slowly growing wise to the fact that just because something is new and shiny doesn't mean it's an inherent good.
@@copypasta1585 Wonder if that's true or if people are just already enough comfortably numb with tiktok and UA-cam. Maybe both.
Heres the hint: its because "new" tech is becoming more and more obviously exploitative
The entire video is about how none of this is new though, so I’m not sure I get what you mean. The reason no one cares about this is BECAUSE it’s not actually new.
except you missed the whole point of the video. they are not doing anything new, they are just changing their own image.
the entire time i was watching this i kept trying to figure out whether or not mark was or was not a 3d model rather than a real person
This is how I see this playing out:
I’m out shopping, I find something I really want but someone told me amazons meta verse has it cheaper and I can price match.
So I leave the place, go home, ignore my family, boot up my headset. Probably spend a few hours in the verse cause Amazon will probably just make a gigantic factory so it’ll take a while to find the item. It’ll probably littered with Amazon video and music ads. Once I find it cheaper I then take that item to my canon printer metaverse where after another few hours I can print a physical copy.
I drive back to the store and I price match my item. Then I realize I’m not sure if I have enough money in my bank account so I have to do this whole thing over again to check my balance with chase and their metaverse.
The future looks so awesome. I can wait for this crazy inconvenience.
Not reading allat
@@rajput36000 good for you. Glad you could at least spell correctly
tbf, when it comes to getting money from a customer, they do everything they can to make that experience fast and easy. There's no way you would need to do anything but use your AI-based visual camera to ID a product (or scan a QR code), and then hit the buy button and the item gets to your door in 2-5 days.
It's when you go off the norm and try to find something obscure and not part of your usual algorithm while using preferred third party channels is what you are referencing. Point of sale systems are deliberately nightmarish to work with in that context.
The convenience you are referencing doesn't work like that and never will. Because the experience I described isn't about some future system, you can literally do that, right now, at any store. That's a system light years more advanced than the system you have described.
The future would be using AR/XR devices that will scan an item you are looking at using eye-tracking, then depending on your heart rate, the item gets added to a wishlist or instantly bought. Better yet, for extra dystopian-vibes, you can only buy an item with specific social credit scores. Not enough social credit, and you won't be able to buy from a brand that you gave a low rating or you publicly bad-mouthed them on social media. China has a similar system right now but only for government and public use. Seeing a similar system get applied to retail would be a total nightmare
That's a scary future to live in. Luckily, it's not entirely inevitable for all of us.
I like to pretend that Mark didn’t know that online gaming existed so he genuinely thinks that he’s making something unique
I don't think he does
There's a pretty big chance that you're right.
I think he does, but just wants to make sure people will tie the name Meta into exactly that from this moment on to make absolutely sure no one ever remembers that it was not Facebook creating the idea...
Because he acts so sincere.
this is very integral to a lot of Sillicon Valley guys, actually. Uber or some other idiots were like "WE'RE GOING TO REVOLUTIONIZE THE WORLD. Imagine UBER, but its CHEAPER.HOW? They have set stops and you can get on or off at those stops." motherfucker, those are BUSES. they thought they invented BUSES 😭😭😭
I love how mark Zuckerberg essentially green screened himself over an IMVU household in 2009 and acted like he was creating something revolutionary.
It's almost like that $100 billion was not actually spent on this metaverse product and instead was laundered for paying for other things............
Especially when we see college kids with $0 make a better virtual social platform over a weekend in unity or unreal than meta could ever make.
Fun fact, the new Quest Pro is 100% from Microsoft, it's MS software and hardware, literally the Hololense3, but with a meta sticker on it.
w/e Meta is doing with hundreds of billions of dollars, they are not making software or hardware.
@evolicious This is a really interesting take. Thanks for sharing!
Not IMVU
They're figuring out how to put all of the personalized ads for people on every billboard in game@@evolicious
Still can’t believe Blizmo died
Respectfully, Who?
So, I recently graduated after spending 4+ years making VR programs and I had an internship for a government division. They floated around the idea of using our XR division to check out the metaverse and see if we can use it to our advantage. This was about the time when they announced that legs would be coming into the metaverse. I told them not to bother but they went ahead anyway. I hope my boss decided to abandon the project after all this time.
Not the US government setting up enlistment stands in game (literally)
I agree, Edward
I agree, GabeCube
I agree, Josh Watson
Thank you Mr. Gabe Cube
@@fella_named_smokey i agree, The Melon Dude
I agree, the loop
The bit I found the most horrifying, apart from, y'know, all of it, was the idea that when you want to be alone in the metaverse that rather than log off or take off your headset, you would join a room in the metaverse just by yourself, proving that fb hasn't changed at all (cause no shit) and still wants you using their platform for the most amount of time so they can use all your personal data to sell you shit
whos target audience like facebook moms and dads arent gonna trust it, young people already hate facebook(which is why i thought they bought instagram), and then on top of that make mark the main speaker someone who has already lost the the trust of the like everyone, like this was his chance to distance himself, how does he not know he a walking pr disaster
Two cartoon character profile pictures with their arms crossed. Coincidence, I think not!
But how else will they sell ads and microtransactions at all points in time?
Old people won’t understand it, middle-aged people won’t trust it, i’m willing to bet that some younger people will fall prey to it but most of them realize how trashy it is.
@@lylelylecrocodile2538 Nice catch, it's a sign from the heavens, we are truly doomed
I think the virtual concert could be a good idea for people with disabilities or sickness. Like if someone gets overwhelmed with loud sounds or huge crowds but loves a certain artist they can go and have control over the volume and still technically have their space. I mean that’s what I would use it for lol
I mean I personally am otherwise able to navigate concerts (even metal shows) despite my autism but indeed yes this is an otherwise excellent idea
That's nonsense. Cause a virtual (with avatars, not filmed in 3D-VR!) concert doesn't make the experience better than the music played at your home entertainment. And a concert filmed in 3D-VR and seen with VR will also scare a person who is scared from huge crowds. And why do you want to lock disabled people in their flat? Didn't we just try nowadays to include disabled people into our real live?
You could get that in VR, but actually good, with a 360º camera on an official live stream. No facebook scam shite involved
Why do they think people want to basically replace face to face social experiences with fully virtual social lives like.. Mark, that's dystopian
Because he's an AI-robot and he wants ppl to be more relatable to him and him to be more relatable to ppl.
Mark Zuckerberg's "Metaverse" is basically what VRChat would be like if it sold out in every way imaginable.
It’ll be completely safe and “brand friendly” 🤮
yes
Exactly lol they’d put you into the ad 😂
@@Cajek2 Funny enough, that's not even remotely possible due to the virtual space being easily manipulated with hacks and exploits. The first few launches of metaverse were all cancelled becasue kids found out ways to harass users, lmfao. They did private launches and then surprise, it was quiet, empty, and boring.
I disagree. Zuccerverse is what you get when an evil corporation tries to build something that looks family and business friendly.
The thought of living my entire life on the internet is terrifying, I don't know why they're trying to sell that when it's obvious nobody wants it. What's actually cool is augmented reality, holograms, all that stuff, but everytime there's a product based around that concept, it's done so poorly that they have to discontinue it a year later. Idk man, let me project a movie from my phone so I can watch it with some friends and family instead of trying to market a virtual room with flying torsos.
I’m only still using Facebook and Instagram (also Twitter) because I am involved in a shit ton of activism. I want to see power hungry (wannabe) dictators like Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Scott Morrison, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un and that Xi cunt who took over China all brought down and the people woken up that they are not the people to support!
This is some Ready Player One shit
For me personally, I can only hope this will fail the same way I saw 3D television in all it's forms fail not even a couple of years later after seeing it being predicted to be the next best thing on the IBC in 2010.
Yes, it's incredibly cool to look at my models in Blender (which is why I mainly bought a second hand set of glasses) and it can help tremendously well to look at something in a model and have my brain go "Woooow that's completely out of proportion!" whereas in 2D I did not have that feeling at all, but I get motionsick incredibly easy, unfortunately.
It's like he saw all those dystopian movies and said to himself, I want to make my own matrix, I want to be the machines!
He needs to take his billions, be thankful he'll never see prison, and take a nap instead of trying to sell water during a monsoon and trying to own rain.
That's well put.
So I managed to think of literally one thing I'd want to use VR for, and that's being out in nature during the winter, like walking through a forest or sitting by a river. I do that a lot in the summer and really miss it during the cold months. But that would require much better graphics to be worth anything, because cartoon trees aren't gonna cut it for that purpose.
10:39 that’s one of the only funny things I’ve ever seen mark ever say even if it’s prolly fake 😭😂😂
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT LMAO FUNNY AF
Ah yes, my favorite kind of "after-party", the kind where everyone just stands in a room doing nothing except buying shirts and wearing them. So glad Mark is bringing this experience to the digital age.
The only "afterparty" was I've ever been too was mostly just people getting high or taking forever in the process of organizing who's riding home with who, and that involved me guarding the door to the bathroom while a guy I met that same day lost his virginity inside. And I also helped solve the mystery of the night's poop bandit and almost wound up frotting a stranger within a span of like 5 minutes. Not sure what a normal afterparty is like but my personal experience leaves me seriously lacking in any faith a VR experience could replicate it. Which is kinda the whole point. VR stuff like this will never be able to replicate what it's trying to replace. The chaos of humanity cannot be properly expressed when it's so limited.
I dont hate VR as concept, it's very cool and I'd love to try it, but trying to use it to monopolize human interaction is a nightmare world
this dystopia is nothing like cyberpunk 2077 ffs >:(
OK I PULL UP
@@Ezekiel_Allium If I can't smoke hash in a park with the band at 3 am in Meta, I'm not joining.
@@Andrew-np4nw don’t type too loudly, Zuckerberg might hear you and start selling meta-drugs
it seems like Mark’s preferred audience/user base are those he assumes don’t evolve their internet or online experience outside of what he directly provides them, so i suppose it makes sense that he’s telling them this is new, even though it is not true.
I find it so terrifying that a lot of peoples lives and business things revolve around facebook- even to the point that some phones are sold with facebook already installed!
this is a great point. he can't convince anyone remotely familiar with the internet because the product doesn't make any logical sense, but he has a chance with those who are less in touch, particularly older generations. they might not have the resources to understand that what this is is shitty exploitation. it's super fucked up
BASED OT
I wouldn't be surprised, it seems like some huge advertisement for investors. He's likely just trying to get back on his podium.
It feaks me out, it’s kinda like a parasite. Everything’s effected with it
Seeing this video & the OJ reference 2 days after OJ died is insane😂
Little did you know that a year later that being able to block people without them being able to pay to bypass your block was going to be a feature for social media
you know I always thought it’d be cool to live in a cyberpunk dystopia cuz at least I’d get a cool robot arm. yet here I am, living in said dystopia with a severe lack of cool robot arm
I am so sorry to hear that
Give me a handsaw and a high school robotics club, and I think I can work something out
Usually in those universes the people with cool robot arms are usually in crippling debt to the evil powerful cyborg company
@@homemadefilms5718 fr? I thought they were just edgy
We literally have robot arms tho… where are my obident robo maids
Mark literally makes my skin crawl. The way he markets moving backwards in technology as revolutionary is gross.
Trained to perfection. Every movement he makes was coached for probably hundreds of hours.
@@GeddyRC i like to think he’s just a robot who was programmed to act like a human. just kidding of course, we all know he’s a lizard man in disguise…
I genuinely believe he's a psychopath. A normal, empathetic human doesn't act like this.
@@moldyreesescups Honestly, the glassy eyes and shinny skin read as some sort of Lovecraftian amphibian creature. We're beyond lizard man at this point.
@@TimothyCHenderson you’re exactly right. i think he just keeps evolving into more and more terrifying reptilian creatures.
11:28 - 11:46 the Ready Player One movie 😂😂 they’re just using VR headsets
That closing gag about the social network had me laughing so much!! I love that movie and Andrew 😂❤
great video eddy, loved the commentary and punchy one liners.... i might as well re-vamp my MySpace account.. which is essentilly what Facebook has become
In Mark's defense, 10 years is probably like 6 months for his species so youtube is like a whole new thing
Naw, his species is a very short lived species, like dogs, which is why Zuck lacks the wisdom to do anything right.
@@gregoryl.levitre9759 he’s actually the fourth Zuckerberg, the last three died 💔
@@gregoryl.levitre9759 Dogs show more intelligence.
@@RaysNewestLow Every time he dies, his consciousness is uploaded into a new clone.
@@antonioaguirre5464 A copy of it. And you know what happens with a copy of a copy.
The problem with their pitch about the privacy features is that it assumes that what people need privacy from is other users, while what people actually need privacy from is the company itself.
I thought the exact same thing!
By the way when you first get on ‘Metaverse’ it kindly reminds you “like a neighbor would” that they record your audio for YOUR safety. Every breath, every tone, every sentence you say being sold off to another company of dubious origin. Thanks for keeping us safe Mark!
Given the success of Tik Tok I doubt anyone really actually does care about privacy
Point stated excellently, thank you.
Zucker nerd pitching their awesome privacy policy is like a car salesman pitching how honest and transparent their car dealership is.
12:10 - BRUH! this is the most genius point that i have heard anyone make about VR and the "metaverse".
18:47 The Zuckster has a Sweet Baby Ray's bbq sauce bottle on his bookshelf in the top right shelf
As a zoomer who spent a good portion of my entire childhood socializing in online spaces and having the pandemic put a damper in socializing into my young adulthood. You arnt wrong with how dystopian it feels. I don’t want to be sold over priced ugly graphics and fake nft bullshit that some underpaid artist got shillings to make in a dark room. I don’t want to be sold an abstraction of socialization that I could more easily get for free on the “old” internet. All that money and for what? The same old stuff we’ve already had being sold to us at a higher price and more exclusive and even less tangible. I don’t want a new internet, I want affordable housing, affordable education, I want a community that is happy and healthy and doesn’t hide from itself chasing the idea of happiness behind a headset, I want to live. Not pretend like I am living.
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Well said, young Zedi
As depressing as this sounds, happiness in social environments are something you need to actively seek to cultivate. Unfortunately our society is too selfish to want to foster mutually beneficial and healthy relationships. The type of change you're seeking is going to take a nationwide shift in consciousness which is highly unlikely.
@@Grace-jb7me But we can make a start
Wow. This is raw. And as someone who didn't grow up with the internet, it's really good to hear that the generation behind me wants the real world.
The metaverse is the perfect embodiment of being "terminally online."
Please I hope it horribly fails so we can keep an ounce of happiness with normal life
It's not that bad. Don't exaggerate too much. You don't need to be addicted in Internet to choose just play a game with friends using VR or talk with a stranger in a virtual city, or even study in a social virtual group, it's fun and it won't be bad especially if you know how to use it properly and not get addicted. It will helps a lot more than you think, it's just about self control.
Of course you still should have social life, don't expect a world where everyone is connected, addicted in VR. People have brain (even smaller ones). They have to work, to meet friends, to date someone, to live real life, rhey simply can't live their entire lifes in a world which doesn't exist (I mean youngers, like underages could, because they still doesn't have a much complex life). VR will be just one more amusement to people who wants to have a more immersive experience on things, and there's any problem on it, it's actually a good thing. If someone is addicted to it, that's their problem, it doesn't bother to anyone who build that VR goggle, or to the concept itself.
@@phantomwarrior8686 That is quite a reply to my brief comment. You can have fun with VR stuff but that's different than an all-consuming metaverse in which virtual reality becomes a replacement for reality.
@@phantomwarrior8686 Yeah, I can hardly keep a vr headset on for more than an hour without getting sick. It’s not too hard to not get sucked into this.
being "terminally insane"
14:54
Holy shit it cut to an ad when you were saying "He wants-" and the ad went "Money and power" so true UA-cam 👍
I got "he wants febreze" 🗿
Rest in peace Blizmo
I’m afraid Zucc is going to press a button one day and mind control everyone that’s wearing a VR headset like Plankton does with the bucket hats
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LMAOOOOO
I would laugh if THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY CONCERNING AND VERY POSSIBLE
We need a Magic Guitar right now lol
ALL HAIL PLANKTON
I think the most depressing thing about this outside of how dystopian it all is, is that Zuckerberg seems to think we all want to live in some sort of Matrix/SAO version of the Internet. Despite, you know, these versions of the Internet are incredibly dystopian, so much so that the whole point of these movies and shows is that people want to escape from these hellscapes. Also, it completely ignores the fact that the general reaction to the last two years has seemingly indicated that people do not want to stuck in their homes living on the internet all day.
Lmao that's actually a great point. What should we pitch after people have been locked in their houses for almost two years and desperately want to go outside? I know! Staying locked in their house and never needing to go outside.
Yeah like as cool matrix is potentially, inm the series and movies, thats very dystopian. Its becaus the world is shit, and its about people waking up from it.
And while SAO is not very good at commentary, its a death game, and a terrible game at thatthats only somewhat intereting, because its a death game.
So the terrible game design from sao, and the dystopia and being traped from matrix yaaaay.
the fact that so many people realize how dystopian it is gives me hope though,I haven't seen anyone but Meta themselves mention the Metaverse in a positive light.
It's a cliché, but we're basically living in the most advanced metaverse ever called "Reality". Anything they create digitally will always feel like a cheap knock-off.. Like a prison.
I think a lot of people agree with this sentiment considering that we've had many dystopian works like novels and movies that have probably warned us all beforehand, there's also the fact that we've become more cynical and aware of how companies have no interest of the consumers and employee's wellbeing. It's still sort of sad that some people will fall into it and think it's amazing but in due time they will realise that it sucks
“We’re all about privacy! You can have a private experience in your own bubble!”
That’s…… not what privacy is. Not at all. The idea that they could 1984 a word like that so there’s no way to describe their crimes is a pipe dream.
IKR. Super sleazy evasion of the real issues.
I laugh every time I remember that "we'll have legs soon" was one of Zuck's latest hype points, as though legs are gonna make that boring-ass world any better. VR Chat is free and I can run around as an anime catboy or Grimm from Billy and Mandy or an oddly detailed dragon demon girl, and one of my friends is doing karaoke with me as a lamp. He's pitching this new world to folks who don't already live online and he wants it to be bland and easily monetized instead.
i like how every feature of the metaverse he advertises (working, learning, seeing friends) is something you can literally do irl and for fucking free, it's absurd but also pretty evil that they are trying to market things that we already have to us, and it's even worse that a lot of people will probably end up buying into it
they should be investing in games and instead and stuff we CANT do irl like i can go bowling with friends irl but i obviously cant go flying dragons with them
@@Katie-xd1nt that's kinda like saying "we shouldn't have vr shooters and war games cause I could just get a gun irl
@@cookinginatraylor4570 That's nonsense. You can't just go to a quick harmless war with your friends. You *can* go bowling with them.
@@driveasandwich6734 I was making a point
@@cookinginatraylor4570 Badly
I want to congratulate you on the hypothetical scenerio you made at min 11:59. A very smart, even philosophical, point regarding the strange "directionless" of today's corporate technology. Beautiful
If you want an even older example, Active Worlds has been doing 3D virtual spaces with avatars since 1995. When the media was going batshit crazy for Second Life, all I could think was, "did they never experience Active Worlds?"
This is a minor criticism compared to Eddy's complete beat down of Meta, but I hate the Rayman-esque avatars in horizon worlds. They look like Mii's and Xbox live avatars rolled into one making it so bland and safe. Eddy brought up VRchat which has a plethora of styles for your character and seeing something like Sora, Kermit the frog, and Hank Hill inside a night club is so much more interesting and funny to see. Not only that but you can see the full characters! Having a 5 year old game looking and playing better than a billion dollar company's "new" product is laughable and I'm glad people are laughing at it.
It's crazy how vrchat also (kinda) supports full body tracking, while horizon worlds, the "new and exiting experience™" is literally incapable of that because of the character designs
Hey! I'll have you know that at least Miis and Xbox live avatars have more personality than those soulless avatars
@@PoshWosher and those "new" weird people in the Nintendo switch sports game that's coming out later
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@JAZINITY lol sorry, but yeah that's exactly what I meant
2:42 The first time I saw that Metaverse ad, I was like "hey that 3D model of Mark Zuckerberg looks pretty nice, only a little bit of uncanniness, looks like they're on to something!" before I realized that's the actual Mark Zuckerberg, not the Metaverse model
LMFAO THATS HILARIOUS
Same
Truuuuuuuuuuu lmao his face and mannerisms do reside deep in the uncanny valley
LOOOL😭😭😭😭😭😭💀💀
They removed his emotions chip.
11:47 You nailed it here. VR is like a worse version of what we already have. It's useful for gaming and engineering but in real life, it's just nahh. I get why people might want it though, it's just bonkers that all of those smart entrepreneurs in the Bay Area have not discovered how to build a nice city yet, all of them cramming into SF or making do with a bungalow in the suburbs. Instead, it would be more useful to repeal most of our zoning codes and planning restrictions so we can be free to build pleasant, walkable cities and have these "VR experiences" IRL.
if OJ would’ve changed his name to Blizmo I think he would’ve beat death….
The first time I saw the word "metaverse" was in Persona 5, and it referred to an abstract dimensional overlay that criminals could abuse to enslave the masses. It's odd to me that Zuckerburger thinks that was a good name for his latest doodad.
I can't hear Metaverse without thinking of P5.
You have to remember that even as popular as P5 is, it's still fairly fringe in culture at large.
@@brandonfaddis7443 A fair point, but you'd think Zuck could have taken five seconds to google the word to see if it had been used somewhere else before.
@@MHurley21 fair
First time I heard the name "Horizon Worlds" I was expecting new dlc or some sequel to Horizon: Zero Dawn and got excited. This tall-headed sculpy monster ruined that dream. The best and kindest words I have for that bastard lizard in a gumby costume is that he is a party pooper.
Its ironic that while they keep emphasising the positives of the metaverse, so much of our pop-culture tells us falling for the trap of living in a virtual world is wrong and dangerous and exploitative. They couldn't have chosen a worser brand to invest in because it already carries risky cultural connotations, even more so as we all grow sick of Zoom and online communication. But in terms of the virtual world, almost everyone knows what the Matrix is, let alone other sci-fi stories in either something like Black Mirror or Love, Death Robots and all the older sci-fi literature too that keeps reminding us: don't fall for the promise of a virtual world. And with the memes of VRChat and how VR is still not that much more immersive than it was 10 years ago, none of us are taking this Metaverse very seriously, and rightly so.
"We have created the Torment Nexus, as seen in the hit sci-fi novel, Don't Create the Torment Nexus"
I was on board with everything you said until you said "worser"... now I can't see anything but that word.
RIP Blizmo
i feel like the vr stuff would also be insanely hard to implement to everyday life (like working and shopping or whatever else theyre trying to push as additional vr experiences) because everyone is so different. like the headset would be really disorienting and some people would probably just get headaches/migraines and motion sickness and other stuff, glasses would probably make it hard to wear throughout the day, etc.
One thing I have never understood from the beginning of this metaverse concept is how Meta is expecting stores to exist and sell clothes online. Not just NFTs, but like modeled clothes that you can "try on" before buying it. Like a previous commenter said, it would be impossible to have all those items modeled. 3D modeling isn't easy. Most stores (especially local and not corporate stores) cannot and will not hire someone to model everything just for a few people to see. I am really convinced that the Metaverse is just a scam and a crappy VR game.
Fr, if I wanted to put on a VR headset to interact with other people in VR headsets, I would just get on VR chat. At least that game won't sell all my personal info lol.
perhaps Zuck expects to own & control all the clothing stores, own all the games, all the shops etc etc in the metaverse. Not terrifying at all!
If Mark is into the Meta stuff, why does he has a HUGE house in Hawaii and go surfing every day? why can't he do that in the meta verse?
It’s a scam to pacify poor people.
So basically he’s creating the Matrix
No no don't say that. He'll short circuit
Why does the Horizon Worlds as shown look like Paw Patrol for adults?
Do what rich do, not what they sell
Im currently at the point in my life where every new internet thing just makes me want to distance myself even further from anything new in the internet. Completely surrounding myself into this garbage world is an absolut nightmare thought.
I pretty much agree with you.
Just one note - Zuck was likely referring to tiktok as the video example.
As a sci-fi nerd and someone interested in VR and the future of it, it's good to see almost all of the VR community reject Facebook's metaverse. I've seen the term "Nexus" thrown around as a community-built version of what Facebook claims to be making. Also the term "metaverse" comes from a dystopian cyberpunk novel called Snow Crash, so they're literally spelling that one out for us.
Which is hilarious because the metaverse in Snow Crash was, by modern standards, also unimpressive and shitty.
@Jennifer 23 ora nmpl You spelled Madonna wrong.
VRchat has better things than this
To be fair, being somewhat blatant about their dystopic intentions seems to have worked for other companies, this is just coming out about it.
I've said this repeatedly, but Zuck's Metaverse seems to be just a worse, more sterile, more corporate VRChat.
Totally agree. The most fun of vrc is the user-generated content and freedom, I doubt metaverse is going to have anything close to the same freedoms. Not only with the kind of content people can make, but also communication. I've had some fucking BONKERS conversations w ppl on vrc that I can't imagine happening in such a corporate plane like meta.
It sounds like essentializing but it's still so damn accurate. There's literally nothing that distinguishes this from VRChat other than the lack of features and customization.
i wish i was in their meetings with share holders so i could shit on all of marks 'new' ideas that is old technology, 5 years old, free and hes pitching as his own new idea. shareholders would realise that hes full of shit.
@@Cobalt985 Don't forget the fact that you have to buy goods and items in Metaverse. Instead of, you know, just uploading your own world like you can in VR Chat.
That was exactly what it reminded me of, but wayy less customizable with the avatars, worlds, ect.
Literally subscribed to you after the explanation you gave of yourself with emojis and animated movie references.
sinking ship to new ship analogy. Best part of video, sums it all up. Hilarious!
As someome who casually plays Vr chat on a headset for a few laughs and to socialize for a couple hours. The metaverse geuinly terrifies me, because I have met people on there who spend every waking hour on the app or in virtual spaces. Stuff like this preys on very emotional, vulnerable, people who cannot face reality at all and do not ever want to leave. It is the most dystopian thing I have experienced and its extremely depressing.
Yes. I've never done VR chat, but I've been online for some decades, and I don't really know how to put this into words so I'm going to butcher it just to get it off my chest. By all measures, I'm supposed to be the one who doesn't know how to socialize, is quiet, is awkward, is socially stupid, and yet I've come to repeatedly realize I'm NOT that.... because I actually grew up. I'm willing to accept failure and fear and look at other people like they are human beings in existence too.
That’s strange, I always thought VR chat served the same purpose.
THANK YOU
Your the only person I’ve seen so far to mention this
We’ve always supposed to have been the socially awkward but you know we’ve grown up when we realize that the following sounds depressing
Spending all your time online, and it sounds even worse with the new meta verse letting you basically do everything but eat and drink on it
It's both good and bad to know that my fears about the metaverse weren't unfounded. It's good that I'm not alone in seeing how dystopian the world is becoming as technological advancement depends on sanguivorous billionaires who just want to take advantage of vulnerable people and capitalise off of mental illness and even su*cide among young people. But it's bad (or rather, explicitly evil) that vulnerable people are taken advantage of in the first place.
Shit sounds like i should give it a try
Thank god there aren't literally thousands of books and movies about why a virtual world that requires all of your attention/money/time/etc. that's run by a sketchy company is dangerous and a terrible idea. Otherwise, I wouldn't be so excited for the Oasis- oh fuck, um, Horizon Worlds.
Mark must've watched the Matrix and thought the robots were onto something
The term metaverse Came from a book About a dystopian future we are VR viruses give you brain damage and life sucks
@@wilymuppet8941 well ofc, the robots were clearly the good guys, keeping everyone safe from terrorists like Neo
@@carriewilson1006 assdghkhvfcbcvb that's so fucking funny oh my god
@@wilymuppet8941 to be fair, considering that the world became nuclear wasteland, it's very nice of robots to actually keep humankind alive. And some humans (or maybe just another robots in disguise) know how to repair human bodies in order to adapt to real world.
Rest in peace Blizmo, you lived your life definitely not commiting any manslaughter crimes, unlike that OhJay fella.
RIP Blizmo, the glove didnt fit because he went off his arthritus meds
No one could have predicted how goofy the dystopia was gonna be
And it's gonna eventually crumble. The ideas in the so called "dystopia" is unstable enough that it's not going to last. This also applies to NFTs, the beanie babies of the 2020s.
It’s not even cool and futuristic looking.
its just egregiously fucking lame
@@rommix0 beanie babies of the 2020’s omg that’s perfect 😭
I guarantee you that it's just gonna be filled with pedophiles and trolls for the first few months before everybody forgets about it.
My dad and I wanted to get a VR set, so we looked at them found the Oculus Quest and were like "oh this is under $400!" but then saw it was made and owned by FB and that you had to use FB for it to work, so we bought the Valve Index instead.
My family spent an extra $700 just to avoid Facebook.
edit: some people are saying that we made a dumb decision to spend more on the headset (if valuing privacy is dumb, then sure). I should also clarify that the Index and and Quest are not really even comparable in terms of quality and power. I have a very high-end gaming rig so I also kind of wanted to be able to take advantage of the Index's superior capabilities. Trust me the extra $700 was *worth it*
A small price to pay for salvation
I would have done the same. Good on you!
Well done, the reasonable choice.
i bought my quest 2 just before the company renamed it to the "Meta quest 2." I wanted to avoid facebook, but at least I avoided Meta.
@@alexmungan9950 zuckerberg would have seen my ip address, locate my house, and then sneak in in the middle of the night and steal my soul
Hey Eddy, just wanted to say I watched your video and I'm glad somebody is finally brave to admit they are a gamer. I think if we all speak up about this problem, we could heal the wounds and end the stigma
lmfao
A crucial difference between a real after party and a Meta after party: drugs and sex
I have yet to meet one single person who is like "Wow, cool, fun, this sounds like a great idea!"
I find our collective worry and dislike for the metaverse quite comforting... We need to look out for any vulnerable people that get sucked into it and give them community because that is the only type of person I see this product serving... The incredibly isolated and lonely.
My college has flyers posted around campus advertising a class on how to make stuff for the Metaverse or whatever. However, I've never heard anybody say they want to take it.
Wow amen to this.
I remember being told by one person a couple months ago that the Metaverse is the next big thing.
Can't remember who it was, but I remember disregarding anything they said afterwards
Was sat next to a crypto-bro at lunch today who was really into NFTs. Only person I've ever had the displeasure of meeting who thought that the metaverse was even a slightly good idea. On an unrelated note, was also an anti vaxxer.
It gets even scummier when you realize how NFTs actually work and buying an "NFT hoodie" doesn't mean you actually bought the hoodie. You bought the rights to claim that you own a line of text that the hoodie is only associated with (not attached to).
Buying an "NFT hoodie" in VR means that at any second, Meta can either change or delete the hoodie whenever they want because technically you did not buy it. What you bought was a line of code and the hoodie is used to "represent" that code.
Also digital scarcity.
facebook changed its api backend coding several times since they started. A lot of in game apps got wiped when the creators couldn't afford to keep patching them. I doubt anyone wants to play candy crush on the metaverse lol At least Microsoft owns a lot of ip to games. And gives game creators a few years notice how to code for the next platform update. CEO may be a boomer but wants quality before releases.
Exactly. The only thing associating the NFT with the hoodie is the honor system on Facebook's part.
Even worse, aslong as Facebook says that somewhere in super tiny text, it's totally legal
Just like digital games
I like seeing the sun out my window while I am playing my favorite game. I ain't putting on a horse blinder in the middle of the day.
Mark Z pitching their awesome privacy policy is like a car salesman pitching how honest and transparent their car dealership is.
Honestly its crazy to me that they named it metaverse. Like, after the metaverse in a classic sci-fi novel where the whole concept was that people used the metaverse to escape from an overly corpratised hellhole of a world and then the metaverse becomes the exact same thing they were trying to escape from.
And before its even off the ground people are already talking about real estate. Like, they have to know what they're doing. This isn't some incredible idea, its just a way to strip more money from consumers and you know they're going to rely on fomo to do it.
The idea of metaverse real estate is so fucking stupid that it just hurts.
@@Evbuscus1 It's old hat. A few outliers in the Second Life virtual real estate hustle made hundreds of thousands to low millions of dollars in the '00s.
I imagine if Eddy takes off his glasses, his nose and moustache come off too
Mr. potatohead energy
That's a physical screen behind you?? 9:55 blew my mind for some reason!
honestly when i first heard of it, its just a copy and paste of imvu but with vr. but imvu has massive problems with iso individuals if they dont feel comfortable in someone elses room and then no one comes to your room if you do create one. Like its been done a good handful of times that model of chat room and it never works out. They think there different cause there facebook lol
*Billions of dollars and they can't animate legs* 😂😂
Seriously even a goddamn genshin impact has a feature where your character's legs realistically interact with terrain. A DAMN MOBILE ZELDA BUILT AROUND A SCAMMY GACHA SYSTEM GOT THIS RIGHT!
(Though thinking about it Facebook is still shittier than this)
Bruh. Unity and Unreal both have IK in-engine support, you just implement it with some drop downs and it's done.
Just shows that maybe the $100bil zuck lost was spent on......other things........
Probably protection from the maxwell black book list.
Or paying china, russia and the altright/rightwing to influence the US politically towards fascism.
Maybe might be something to do with saving face of metric tons of failure and defeat at the hands of millions of users that don't like facebook anymore.
Most likely, all of the above.
@@landchannel7688 to top it off, Facebook's new VR device comes straight from Microsoft. Like literally software, hardware, all off the line directly from MS, just like the Lenovo WMR (Rift S). Just put a meta sticker on it and sell it as their own XR device when it's literally just Hololense3 (HL2 was sold to the military and was instantly hated when used in field testing, lmfao).
Billions of dollars and Nintendo Mii's still look better.
It literally took me a week to program a functioning full body VR avatar setup in Unity, and while their tools might be more difficult to use, they have infinitely more budget and time
It's weird that metafacebook gets fined $5billion for misusing and abusing peoples privacy rights and the victims don't see a dime of that money. I just... don't understand that at all
Governments and corporations are very well married. They can have a fight in the weekend barbecue, but won't get divorced. It's just a drama show.
So 5 billion over 2.9 billion monthly users. Let's say that it only concerns US citizens, so about 100 million. That's what? 50 bucks? Is it really worth the administrative labor to send every citizen 50 bucks? Maybe they could do it as a tax write-off if you have a sufficiently old facebook account.
@@ashleydavis3318 it's more than possible to payout that money. Many class actions in the past have sent out checks for literal pennies on the dollar and not all the 100mil users will sign up to claim the money, increasing the individual payout for everyone else.
A bunch of states sued Facebooks for the data breach and citizens did get money from it.
@@hermitgreenn Yup, my friend in Illinois got some from it.
Something about that Super Bowl ad is so dark...like "The real world is dark and cold and uncaring, so come escape to this beautiful virtual world where everything is okay!" It's so...nasty
the Social Network reference at the end had me in stitches :')
When Metaverse was presented all I could think is "This just looks like shitty VR Chat" and that is exactly what it is. Here is why Facebook wont succeed. This type of technology only appeals to the younger generations or those who enjoy this type of technology. Those who enjoy this technology probably already know that Facebook is one of the worst platforms for privacy and is run by a bunch of money hungry individuals. For that reason alone no one will buy into this metaverse shit. Why give Facebook anymore of your information when you can experience the same thing in VR Chat.
True. And the best way of creating a (real) metaverse is letting the people create and develop it. The metaverse being in charge of a company (and specially Facebook) is the pinnacle of a dystopian future.
They are trying to sell a VR Chat that isn't free and looks uglyier. Sure, a lot of people in VR Chat are fucking nutcases, but a free community will always be more safer and interesting then big business apps
And I cant be a big boobed anime lady in metaverse now can I? Or a fuckin pickle. I want to be a pickle. You know what can do that? Vrchat.
this is literally just gentrified VRChat. I wanna be Waluigi goddammit
I agree, my fear is that this is going to be sold to businesses as a new “zoom” type of tool to connect people and be able to deliver services remotely but in a more “immersive” and “controlled” environment, and that it makes businesses so dependent on it that everyone will need services/technology that integrate with “the Metaverse” to be successful. Then everyone will be dependent on it in a similar way as to how we are dependent on smartphones now.
It's insane that the world was unable to interact in real life for so long and as soon as life starts going to normal, meta decides to make a product that just continues that lifestyle most people hate
And yet people always thought it would be cool to be home all day
I was very annoyed when all the branding on my occulus quest suddenly changed to the meta logo with an update and Zuckerberg's grimy fingers got all over my vr -_-. To make matters worse the moment the quest 2 came out they discontinued the parts for the original, despite selling them new off the shelves well after that point meaning the internet was full of people trying to find a way to buy second hand non-broken joysticks because drift was incredibly common. In the end the reason I upgraded to the quest 2 wasn't because I wanted the newest headset, it was because I physically couldn't play the old one anymore, and a replacement controller cost as much as the entire new bundle for the quest 2.
im sorry but mark giving himself boobs is literally the funniest thing I have ever seen