On Our Mark: Episode 34 -The 257 Weatherby Magnum
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2022
- The Weatherby Team sit down and talk about the much beloved 257 Weatherby Mag in a short cartridge focused podcast.
In this episode we discuss:
- The history of the 257 WBY Mag
- Tech and specs
- Best game animals to chase with this round
- Comparable .25 caliber rounds
- A Cape buffalo brought down by a 257
- Adam's favorite hunts with the 257 WBY Mag
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Took my first elk, at 450yds, and my first two pronghorns at 600 yds in NM this past year with 120 grain Speer Grand Slams. Love the .257Wby.
.257wby is a Lightning Strike on Whitetails ! The 120gr Partition is my Favorite Round. Never had a Buck take a second step at any Range. Thank you Roy Weatherby !
I really wish Weatherby would consider putting some faster twist barrels on some of their major guns to accommodate the newer longer tangent bullets. Would really keep up with the market.
My German mark v deluxe 257 is my baby no matter how many guns I own it will always be my favorite
It was good to hear the Cape Buffalo story elaborated. I have heard the story forever in brief, but your version makes more sense.
Love the 257! Use it for everything here in Saskatchewan. Mice to moose! I know folks would like to speed up the twist to use a heavier bullet but not sure that’s needed. Me … I use 110 Gr Accubond or Hornady ELD-X in my home made rounds.
I've had great success using Barnes TTSX 100gr bullets on deer and elk. Drops em like lightning!!
I don’t know if you know this but now there’s a 131, and 133 grain in the .257 WBY Mag
I just bought a 257 Weatherby Magnum in Vanguard. I've heard so many great things about the cartridge and I can't wait to shoot it!
Great episode! Although I have watched my dad hunt elk with his .257 for over 40 years now, i agree with Adam. Kudos for not over selling the .257 as an elk round. It does do the job very very well but with the common disgraceful thought process of shooting the front shoulders, the .257 is not the best choice. I have to say it though, Adam, put the white diamond back on the pistol grips!! It will help set apart your rifles on the gun racks like it used to!
Been saying same thing. Weatherby needs to be standing out above the rest. Like the good ol days. Even the vanguard needs to have it. I'm impressed as hell w the vanguard I just got. I shot several half inch groups at 100 yards yesterday. I was blown away with the value of the vanguard. Your killing it weatherby. Keep it up🎉😊
We love your show and God bless you guys
The 257 is one of my all time favorites. I reload 120 N.P. with Norma powder and it has never failed me. I named my 257 AT&T because all you need is the name and address of the critter. Love it for sure.
Just bought my first Weatherby, Vanguard in .257. Absolutely cannot wait to enjoy it.
I have a Weatherby Mark V Custom in .257; a great rifle. I wish todays Weatherby factory people were as supportive to customers as Roy was to those of us that own many of his products
Just acquired a vanguard s2 stainless in .257 weatherby. Looking forward to getting handloads up and running soon! My battery of old school belted magnums for North America is complete: .257 weatherby, 300 win mag, .358 Norma mag.
It's also such an elegant comfortable round to shoot in its energy category, and surprisingly easy on the ears despite the velocity. Well done Roy!
Listen to these on my trips in to work every morning. Keep em comin
Love it, keep 'em coming please!
257 Mag is my second favorite round, behind the 30-378. I am a big believer in being over gunned.
Ordered my 257 in October 2021. Should be arriving soon, very excited to shoot this rifle.
I do love my ruger no.1 257 weatherby i recently purchased
Love my 257. No matter where I am going or what animal I am hunting I always put my 257 in the rifle case to, it may not be my primary rifle but it always goes because I know it will get the job done. The 257 strikes like lighting. I hunt with it more than any other rifle in the safe! Great job guys and please keep em coming
My favorite. That thing works on anything
Best rifles period!!!
What specific issue of Guns & Ammo magazine contained the story of the 257 Weatherby and the cape buffalo? It sounds like a cool story and I'd really like to read that full article for myself!
I've shot 5 deer and 4 elk with my 257 Vanguard ll since bought it 7yrs ago.
I handload the Barnes 100gr TTSX and it works great. Kills like lightning!
Adam, you are right, there's nothing else like it!!
Two years ago I purchased my lazermark in .257 and don't think I'll ever switch back. My go to was always a .270 which was great. In the same rifle of course.
The biggest difference for me and I don't think it's coincidence is that instead of whitetail running 30-50yrds after the shot they expire immediately in their tracks. That's four for four.
We need a .25 RPM with a fast twist to stabilize the 127-135 grain bullets now available.
OR updated options for twos rates on all Weatherby cartridges across the board. No sense in wasting all that Weatherby speed!
@@wesleyturner1979 That doesn't work well because somebody will try to buy factory ammo for the heavier bullet and complain that it keyholes.
@@WilliamKister the results of over spin are not keyholes. You have it reversed. Negative results of over spin are possible elevated pressure and bullet fragmentation in flight. Keyholes are the result of under spin. As long as your shooting quality bullets you shouldn’t have a problem with them coming apart in flight.
@@wesleyturner1979 Yeah, he's saying someone with an older 10 twist 257 will buy 135 grain ammo and complain it won't shoot.
@@257Tony It will still shoot if it doesn’t come apart in the air. I’ve never shot super light bullets out of one so I couldn’t tell you if they would. If the bullet stays together, the spin will keep it stable in flight. Instability happens when the bullet is spinning too slow and the nose starts to wobble then wind resistance makes it start to tumble.
I'm a little late to the party but thought I'd share a story. I've got a 300 Weatherby that my Pop had built in the 40's. It started life as a 300 H&H. Stamp on the barrel say Weatherby 300 Magnum.
Is your grandfather right that the ultra speed of the 257 weatherby magnum more effective than a 300 weatherby magnum at taking game of all kinds ?
I've been knocking them dead with my 257 weatherby and I prefer it over my 300 weatherby and my 6-5 300 weatherby... It's good on pig's deer mule deer and Coyote's that's for sure.
I've always wanted to experiment with the 257WBY but the only problem is I started experimenting with 25-06AI and the velocities I'm getting are about equal to what factory 257Wby is listed at.
257 weatherby magnum and 240 weatherby hold a big spot in my heart and the30-378 /338-378
I like the 25-35.
So was roy right with his 300 weatherby magnum that it doesnt matter shot placement anymore you xan shoot them anywhere with 1 shot i remember from his film of the 300 weatherby vs 30-06
My fav weatherby chambering ia 30-378 weatherby magnum
My 1st hit with this round was an 8pt. Whitetail running at an angle slightly away left to right about 60-65 yards out. 2nd shot, 1st Hit, post muzzle blast Im blind but see no deer? Waited 10 min with no movement over this 200x250 yd field surrounded by timber. I shoot with both eyes open and walked to the slight knoll I fired at him upon...61..62..I'm here, NO deer. No blood. I headed the direction he was running, 10 paces and look, 10 more and look. Nothing, so I returned to the knoll and set out at a different angle, straight out. Same thing, no deer, no blood...$hit I shot Houdini...returning from the 3rd pass and becoming more concerned I recounted by memory, angles, paths. Then I saw something but it did not look right. 18 paces off the backside of this knoll and back towards the left was the deer. How? He was definitely running right and away. He is definitely now at a 90° angle from his original path with his back to me and head pointed left. What the hell?!I find maybe 1/2 of the 80 grain lodged in the spine just through the mass of the hip bones. This round spun the deer around, flipped him over, landed him 20 yards back with no movement post impact to a non-vital.
Had to share, I knew Ron Weatherby took out that Cape but didn't know range, shot location and damage details. I'm sure it did look like a grenade popped. Let's just say the @ss end of this deer was in similar condition. Wow!
300 rpm lol would be great to see this.
you should do a book with all the articles
some people complain about reduce barrel life.
...there's no way i'd ever use up the 1500-ish shot barrel life.
Do you guys and the Vortex boys share a set?
Bring the 340 Weatherby to the Vanguard series and make a 340 load for about $80. The 340 was the first 338 Lapua.
Is a fast twist 257 weatherby magnum available ?
Is 30-378 WM overkill for elk and moose at extended range ?
.257 rocks!
257 Robert's was a nice round before the WBY MAG.
did roy actually take cape buffalo at extreme range with the 257 weatherby ?
Literally tells the story in this podcast
What happened to the 87 gr load?
I want to get a 257 Weatherby but i need to know a little more. I know its intended for long range flat shooting needs and will dust deer at 300 an 400 yards which is definitely in my wheel house. But sometimes I shoot them as close as 30 and 50 yards. Will the 257 Weatherby have outstanding performance on a very close deer or does the speed actually hurt it in close situations? I generally shoot a 30-06 which takes care of business near and far. I'm just really interested in the 257...... Thanks!
100g Barnes TTSX could be recommended, as will retain weight, not break up at close range, high velocities ... good blood trail etc. IMO you won't regret purchasing a 257w, as slightly milder shooting than the 30 06, point and shoot to 300yds, ... an elegant rapier vs long sword sort of idea. + just super cool!!
I personally use my 257 Roy for most of my whitetail hunting and I can’t tell you results to help you make a decision. The first loads I developed were using the Nosler 115 ballistic tips due to a suggestion by the guy who sold me my rifle. The very first deer I shot was a doe approximately 145lbs. @38 yds while slightly angled towards me. The impact was a little further forward than I would have preferred and hit the shoulder. The bullet absolutely destroyed the bone upon entry and didn’t make it through. I personally like pass through shots so I quickly made the decision to switch bullets to 120 gr. Nosler Partitions and also 100 gr. Barnes ttsx bullets. I quickly found out after this switch the 120gr. Partitions will hit a fully mature buck or any deer for that matter and do it’s job flawlessly no matter what range. Just this year I harvested a buck in the 200 lb range @187 yds with the 100gr. ttsx loads I developed the results were as follows. I hunt in very thick farm country so perfect broadside shots are hard to come by. The buck chasing a doe cornered hard towards me. They were about to enter a cedar thick on the farm so I stopped him about 10ths from the edge. The bullet went through the front shoulder then the lungs and body cavity of the buck. Figured it went on out the other side but after processing the buck I found the perfectly mushroomed bullet had made the the opposite back leg breaking the hip and was up against the hide. To put it simply this cartridge must be loaded with properly constructed game bullets like the partition and Barnes bullets if you want to be able to trust it’s performance at all ranges. I’ve used the partitions the most and they perform and have worked beautifully from spitting distance on out to my furthest shot so far with this cartridge and bullet combination of 363yds. It has become my favorite deer cartridge ever since I changed bullets from the bad experience with the ballistic tips at close range.
Need a .257 rpm that’s fits in the howa mini action.
That wouldn't be possible
@@WilliamKister that would depend on what parent cartridge they used. They could cut it down like the super short mags and then it would fit the mini action. You could argue that it might be a little slower than you might want because of power restrictions. If you have enough ingenuity, you can do anything.
😉 You just have to be smart enough (👨🔬) and be able to think outside the 🎁! A rare combination, plus properly motivated (🔥)! 😃
@@wesleyturner1979 that would be a 6.5 Grendel necked down to .25 caliber
@@WilliamKister nope. There apparently actually was a .25 wssm. There all shortened wsm cases.
which African plains game is it appropriate for?
You know what would be an amazing cartridge a 270-300 weatherby with a barrel twist that could handle heavy weight bullets
U silly bastard they already did that with the 6.5 300.
I going to try this caliber in Blaser R8 this Friday on whitetail hunt in Pa.
From mice to blue whales, the .30-.378 rules.
The 257 weatherby is awesome. It's at the Maxx speed you can push a bullet and have the bullet stay together. Even our pure copper bullets can't hold together an faster then the 257 pushes em. Any faster and the material can't hold together anymore
I use African solid bullets in my 257 lot more deeper penetrating on larger animals.when shoulder shooting.
25 wssm is such a waste of time and 25-06 is okay but weatherby is king of velocity ❤
At the risk of sounding woke, 257 Weatherby would be fire with Blackjacks and a fast twist!
Why no love for the 270 wby ?
how does it do on wild hogs?
It's still to small for me I'll stay with the 30cals & above a heavy bullet like the 45-70 government is a slower moving bullet but has a hell of a kot more knock down than any 257 and is a buffalo & brown bear gun,& my 338lapua magnum beats anything out there ,but I'd say the 257 is good for medium size game from antilop,deer and maybe even mule deer but i wouldn't use it in black bear or any large game
They should have named him roy
Твист 8.этому колибру нужен.135гр.бергер.
🤠 The 270 Winchester shooting the Nosler Accubond 110 grain bullet with 57 grains of Norma 204 powder at 3,500 ft/s will shoot as flat as that 257 Weatherby (with 25% less powder - see any of the Nosler Reloading Manuals)! 🧐 Step up to a 130 grain Nosler Ballistics Tip using 65 grains of Magpro, and you can push that bullet out at 3,235 ft/s (See Hodgedon's Website)! 😜 Step up to a 150 grain bullet using 60 grains of Reloader 26 (ex. Speer BTSP, with a modest B.C. of 0.496 (Though I prefer the Nosler ABLR with a B.C. of 0.591) and you can get 3,035 ft/s (See Reloader 26 Website) with a 150 grain bullet! 🙂 That will carry 1,800 ft/lbs of energy out to 500 yards - more than enough for elk, moose, or bison! 😏 The 270 Winchester is the ideal caliber, with a very tolerable recoil, and yet flat and fast shooting - cheap to shoot and I can buy it chambered in any rifle that I want! 🤑 Your company should focus on making more cartridges like the 6.5 Creedmore and 6.5 PRC instead - something most people want to shoot, but still have more than sufficient performance for Lower 48 Big Game Species (most of us will never be hunting Alaska or Africa)! 😉 Forget the Big Magnums, unless your talking Alaska or Africa! 🙄 Otherwise, most people in the U.S. are shooting at deer the size of my dog! 😂 Stay Focused on the Quality of Rifle Weatherby was know for when it started (I loved that tigerwood maple wood stock - Winchester is doing that now with their model 70) and chamber it in a more useful cartridge (like the 270 Winchester) and maybe I'll buy one? 🤤 My Sako's all shoot 1/4 MOA groups - to let you know that accuracy is also important to me, more so than just velocity! 🙃
Reloading will always allow shooters to push numbers and help improve accuracy but the vast majority of shooters do not reload. Most people would prefer to buy ammo that shoots flat and accurate right out of the box and that's what we like to provide here at Weatherby.
Since Weatherby has too much class to disagree with you, but since I am just a knuckle dragger here it is.
I have to admit that your choosing of a .270 as a all around great cartridge is valid. It certainly is flat shooting and moderate recoil.
But since you are not talking apples to apples. The .257 WM is much faster and flatter shooting. Since Black Jack, Berger, and a few others are offering 130 _135 grain bullets with much higher B.C. than the .270 140 grain.The Berger 135 LRHT is .650.
Now if you want to compare a cartridge that is closer to the diameter of the .270. Why don't we use the 6.5 300. Now I know that is kinda cheating on such a large case, much more speed and versatility than the .270 winchester.
But if one is going to be a one upper, let's do it right!
🤔 Eddie B, I did not include any machine groomed custom bullets, like those from "Lost River Bullets" to make my case more compelling either - not needed! As far as Magnums are concerned, Weatherby has been "Falsely Advertising" their calibers as the fastest and flattest shooting cartridges! FYI - They aren't! Maybe someone like Lazzeroni should SUE THEM for "False Advertisement"??? Hummm...I am not trying to cause anyone grief here, but I don't like it when people make "false claims" or just simply know what the ____ they are talking about (Like most Weatherby Fanboys I have met)! I do actually like the 300 Weatherby Magnum, think that the 7mm WBY is more efficient than the 7mm Remington Magnum, and do like the 270 Weatherby Magnum! But, for all that additional powder in the 257 Weatherby, your not getting "better performance" than the 270 Winchester - it is a wash, but recoil isn't (using 25% more powder, to do the same thing)! I have owned multiple Big Magnums that are much more powerful and every bit as flat of shooters as the 6.5-300 Weatherby that you are also trying to switch the argument to - like the 338 Lapua Magnum, 308 Lazzeroni Warbird (416 Rigby necked down to 30 caliber), or the Thor's Hammer (408 Cheytac necked down to 30 caliber)! These Wildcats are faster and flatter than anything that Weatherby makes in their respective calibers (and in the latter cases, anything that they offer, including that 6.5-300 Weatherby)! Barrel life is attrocious though! But, I currently hunt with the time tested 30-06 and 270 Winchester! Why? Because I finally came to the "logical conclusion" that Big Magnums were not necessary for hunting anything in the lower 48 states! As an example, a 190 grain Nosler ABLR (see Noslers #9 Reloading Manual on line) has over 2,000 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yards - so if it only takes 1,500 ft/lbs to kill an elk, do you really need anything more? No! In one recent survey by the "Backfire Channel", 93% of hunters have never shot at an animal over 400 yards! Good on them, but what should that tell you if you are a gun manufacturer? But this is just 1 such example! I no longer see my self going to Africa, but Alaska may still be in my future! As far as Weatherby is concerned, I grew up admiring their guns for their beauty and appreciated some of the trophy rooms of their users! But their Ammunition is extraordinary expensive (and yes most people don't reload) - I paid $27.50/ box for Horneday GMX Superformance Ammunition just 6 months ago as an example! How does that cost compare to the 257 Weatherby Magnum Ammunition? I am rooting for Weatherby to do well, as I don't live but 1/2 a days drive from them and want them to succeed and support the local economy! But, I believe that the company is going in the "Wrong Direction" (Take the latest release of the 338 RPM, I believe it was)! I am speaking up to encourage them to make more financially sound products! These "Stump Thumpers" have lost much of their popularity and it is the smaller calibers that are getting the majority of the market share! Their will always be "Niche products", but the 308 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield and their "offspring" are taking most of the market share! This is nothing new, but they would be best suited - in my opinion - in making quality rifles that are more affordable to shoot (especially considering the current economic climate)! Cooper here in Montana makes rifles of similar cost that guarantees 1/2 MOA and I have seen some companies advertise 1/4 MOA Guarantees on all their rifles! So, if your rifle barrel isn't capable of that, then even your "Quality Factory Ammunition" gives you "No Added Benefit"! Cryogenically treated barrels will also provide an additional velocity boost! Quality starts with the rifle and goes from their! I do have more to say, but will save it for another time! Just think on that! 🧐
@@ronlowney4700 like I days I agree with you on the 270 being a excellent caliber. It is usually in the top 10 on anybody list.
But every one of your suggested loads were hybrids.
Your point of building then in calibers that a lot of people are shooting is a great suggestion from a sales point of view.
But this was about a .257 caliber video. A lot of Weatherby rounds are fast movers, along with other companies. But burn your barrel out. What after 40 years of hunting? Bench rest ok. But hunting?
The industry standard is if it isn't legitimized by a manufacture it doesn't exist.
The 260 and the 6.5 Creedmoor are good examples of that.
🤷♂️ Eddie B. - Doesn't Exist? Not quite sure what you mean buy that? So, what am I planning to do about all this? With my background in Engineering and Chemistry (Including my knowledge on Fluid Mechanics and Air Quality Testing in Ductwork Constrictions - think of it like where the rifle case constricts into the neck to push out a bullet - laminar vs. turbulent flow measurements) - I can Write a program that will evaluate cartridge design, based upon various powder burn rates, design my own powders, and bullets or even cases with new alloy mixtures and "treatment processes"! Essentially, start my own company, because I think I can do better than what the industry has done thus far! I have my own idea on a new case design, a new powder concept, and some ideas on new bullets! Upon selling my house, since I am a semi-retired Engineer, I am looking to take my personal interests and turn it into a "money maker"! This technology is so last century - projectiles and gun powder! I just think that most companies have been run by "knuckle draggers" for more than 100 years and by people that can't think outside of the box and have few new ideas! I have so Many Ideas for New Inventions, but I know all about those company patent stealers! Mabey this is the way for me to get the ball rolling and generate enough capital to make some of my other ideas happen? My sister is a Computer Programmer and mabey her help on the programming side, with me on the Engineering and Chemistry side could get the ball rolling! I could then hire other Materials Scientists, Chemists, and Engineers with the same passion and to really do this right! 😯👏👏👏😏