How to Choose a Good China Type Cymbal
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- In this video I show you the qualities I look for when purchasing China Type cymbals. I show you several different vintage and modern Chinas and tell you what I like and don't like about them.
Here are the models I demonstrate.
Wuhan 12" China Weight = 550 grams
Wuhan 15" China Weight = 848 grams
Wuhan 16" China Weight = 1266 grams
Wuhan 20" China Weight = 1417 grams
Paiste 20" Traditional Medium Swish China Weight = 1648
Paiste 18" Traditional Medium Light China Weight = 1122
Paiste 22" Traditional Medium Light China w/Rivets Weight = 2058
Atlas 20" China w/rivets Weight = 1480
Sabian 20" Jack Dejohnette Sig,. Series China Weight = 2257
Masterwork 24" Thalles Paper Thin China w/rivets Weight = 1995
Drums are Craviotto Private Reserve
20'x15", 10 x 8, 12x 8, 14x14 floor tom, 14x 6.5 Snare Drum
The Hi Hats are Sabian 13" HH Regular
Sticks are my custom Vic Firth Signature set stick in maple. These are available only from me at rickdior@gmail.com. They are also available in Hickory.
The microphones are Neumann U89 overheads and a Shure Beta 52 on the bass drum.
I’ve got a big Swish Cymbal from the 70s that was a present by my friend and English studio legend Harold Fisher. I use it regularly
Aquarian cymbal springs are very useful for mounting China cymbals in any position.
Yellow / stiffer and Red / springier varieties.
Incredible drumming Rick!!
Whoa! A Paiste Traditional with upturned bell? Get out... Nice! Never even heard of Atlas cymbals. Agree on the Masterwork China (and their other lines of cymbals). Really good stuff. I also have a fun time putting various moon gels on non-riveted chinas to dampen and dry them up just a bit. Gosh, even for the most experienced drummers, your channel is amazing for still discovering new stuff and being surprised at this wonderful world of percussion. Thanks again. It'd be swell to hear about some of your tips and tricks lugging gear to gigs, especially as we get older. I've found a couple of ways to get more gear out of the truck and into the venue, with fewer trips, utilizing oversized djembe cases to hold a stack of my floor tom, rack tom and snare drum in one case, I can hold over my shoulder, while pulling everything else on a trolley - but I'm always curious how other performing drummers make hauling gear easier? Tips or tricks?
Thanks
Great idea.
I will try to put that together.
Very interesting collection! All very dark and trashy, but you really extract lots of colors out of them! 🔥
Love your videos Rick. I always learn a lot. I love those Paiste sounds.
thanks Rick! My favourites in this series were definitely the hi hat one, this one was the most surprising, and I will definitely look for thin large chinas, that brings my mind to Dream cymbals as they tend to be thin.
Thank you so much for this video series, very interesting and helpful!
Those Paiste Chinas sound amazing. I have a 14" and a thrashy 18" Istanbul which probably needs some rivets. Great content as always, Rick
The Paiste PSTX Swiss Thin cymbals perform the task everyone wishes the 14 and 16 inch Wuhans were capable of. I definitely think you would appreciate them if you haven't tried them, Rick. Sustained white noise at lower volumes, no clang.
Those Paistes are GRRRRRREAT!
Any chance you'll be releasing a video on the new Remo Mondo 12x9 snare drums soon? Thanks as always.
Thank you sir . Cheers :)
Paiste 22" Traditional Medium Light China w/Rivets Weight = 2058
If I could find one, I'd be set!!
Paiste should remake this cymbal.so many people are chasing the same one as you have described. I purchased a masters 22"swish, it's close but not the same.
I absolutely love my Paiste China . Till death do us part….
Fun set of trashy Chinas! I completely agree with you on the DeJohnette china. Not sure what it's trying to be. I'm sure he could do something cool with it, but I can't.
Now another thought for you: *Playing* cymbals. I find my current ride cymbal too much for its current purpose. It's a 20 A Ping Ride and it really builds. I keep it down by pressing the stick into the cymbal. in effect dampening it. Do you think about playing in different zones of a ride cymbal? All I know is I get maximum wash right out on the edge, and more stick def as I move towards the bell. Somewhat related question: Do you swell a crash cymbal (in percussion sections) with both mallets in the same area or with them placed on opposite sides of the cymbal?
Hi
Some cymbals such as old K's and other heavily hammered cymbals will have a sweet spot. I would never play a cymbal by pressing my stick in to it. It's bad for your hands and won't sound great either. It's called a dead stroke.
When you play a suspended cymbal roll, the best way to control the sound is to spread your mallets out to each opposite side of the cymbal.
This distributes the force evenly and keeps the cymbal from moving up and down.
Still have the peaveys?