Whoa! A Paiste Traditional with upturned bell? Get out... Nice! Never even heard of Atlas cymbals. Agree on the Masterwork China (and their other lines of cymbals). Really good stuff. I also have a fun time putting various moon gels on non-riveted chinas to dampen and dry them up just a bit. Gosh, even for the most experienced drummers, your channel is amazing for still discovering new stuff and being surprised at this wonderful world of percussion. Thanks again. It'd be swell to hear about some of your tips and tricks lugging gear to gigs, especially as we get older. I've found a couple of ways to get more gear out of the truck and into the venue, with fewer trips, utilizing oversized djembe cases to hold a stack of my floor tom, rack tom and snare drum in one case, I can hold over my shoulder, while pulling everything else on a trolley - but I'm always curious how other performing drummers make hauling gear easier? Tips or tricks?
LOVE my 16" Zildjian Swish (no rivets). Wanted to get something new in an 18". Listened to Zildjian FX Oriental, A China Boy High, China Boy Low and Classic Oriental China. Ended up going with an 18" Wuhan... mostly because it had the least amount of overtone and because Neal Peart had one and that was the original china i had been wanting for forever.
thanks Rick! My favourites in this series were definitely the hi hat one, this one was the most surprising, and I will definitely look for thin large chinas, that brings my mind to Dream cymbals as they tend to be thin.
For the style I play, the Meinl Classics Custom Dark Heavy 18" is the winner. However, I have just found a Paiste Dimensions Power China 20" that I'm picking up in two days, so watch this space....(actually don't because I doubt anyone cares anyway haha 😸)
The Paiste PSTX Swiss Thin cymbals perform the task everyone wishes the 14 and 16 inch Wuhans were capable of. I definitely think you would appreciate them if you haven't tried them, Rick. Sustained white noise at lower volumes, no clang.
Fun set of trashy Chinas! I completely agree with you on the DeJohnette china. Not sure what it's trying to be. I'm sure he could do something cool with it, but I can't. Now another thought for you: *Playing* cymbals. I find my current ride cymbal too much for its current purpose. It's a 20 A Ping Ride and it really builds. I keep it down by pressing the stick into the cymbal. in effect dampening it. Do you think about playing in different zones of a ride cymbal? All I know is I get maximum wash right out on the edge, and more stick def as I move towards the bell. Somewhat related question: Do you swell a crash cymbal (in percussion sections) with both mallets in the same area or with them placed on opposite sides of the cymbal?
Hi Some cymbals such as old K's and other heavily hammered cymbals will have a sweet spot. I would never play a cymbal by pressing my stick in to it. It's bad for your hands and won't sound great either. It's called a dead stroke. When you play a suspended cymbal roll, the best way to control the sound is to spread your mallets out to each opposite side of the cymbal. This distributes the force evenly and keeps the cymbal from moving up and down.
Paiste should remake this cymbal.so many people are chasing the same one as you have described. I purchased a masters 22"swish, it's close but not the same.
I’ve got a big Swish Cymbal from the 70s that was a present by my friend and English studio legend Harold Fisher. I use it regularly
Aquarian cymbal springs are very useful for mounting China cymbals in any position.
Yellow / stiffer and Red / springier varieties.
Whoa! A Paiste Traditional with upturned bell? Get out... Nice! Never even heard of Atlas cymbals. Agree on the Masterwork China (and their other lines of cymbals). Really good stuff. I also have a fun time putting various moon gels on non-riveted chinas to dampen and dry them up just a bit. Gosh, even for the most experienced drummers, your channel is amazing for still discovering new stuff and being surprised at this wonderful world of percussion. Thanks again. It'd be swell to hear about some of your tips and tricks lugging gear to gigs, especially as we get older. I've found a couple of ways to get more gear out of the truck and into the venue, with fewer trips, utilizing oversized djembe cases to hold a stack of my floor tom, rack tom and snare drum in one case, I can hold over my shoulder, while pulling everything else on a trolley - but I'm always curious how other performing drummers make hauling gear easier? Tips or tricks?
Thanks
Great idea.
I will try to put that together.
Very interesting collection! All very dark and trashy, but you really extract lots of colors out of them! 🔥
LOVE my 16" Zildjian Swish (no rivets). Wanted to get something new in an 18". Listened to Zildjian FX Oriental, A China Boy High, China Boy Low and Classic Oriental China. Ended up going with an 18" Wuhan... mostly because it had the least amount of overtone and because Neal Peart had one and that was the original china i had been wanting for forever.
Love your videos Rick. I always learn a lot. I love those Paiste sounds.
Incredible drumming Rick!!
My favorite china cymbal is a Zildjian Swish without rivets 18” ! Sweet !
Thank you so much for this video series, very interesting and helpful!
thanks Rick! My favourites in this series were definitely the hi hat one, this one was the most surprising, and I will definitely look for thin large chinas, that brings my mind to Dream cymbals as they tend to be thin.
Those Paiste Chinas sound amazing. I have a 14" and a thrashy 18" Istanbul which probably needs some rivets. Great content as always, Rick
For the style I play, the Meinl Classics Custom Dark Heavy 18" is the winner.
However, I have just found a Paiste Dimensions Power China 20" that I'm picking up in two days, so watch this space....(actually don't because I doubt anyone cares anyway haha 😸)
Any chance you'll be releasing a video on the new Remo Mondo 12x9 snare drums soon? Thanks as always.
The Paiste PSTX Swiss Thin cymbals perform the task everyone wishes the 14 and 16 inch Wuhans were capable of. I definitely think you would appreciate them if you haven't tried them, Rick. Sustained white noise at lower volumes, no clang.
Fun set of trashy Chinas! I completely agree with you on the DeJohnette china. Not sure what it's trying to be. I'm sure he could do something cool with it, but I can't.
Now another thought for you: *Playing* cymbals. I find my current ride cymbal too much for its current purpose. It's a 20 A Ping Ride and it really builds. I keep it down by pressing the stick into the cymbal. in effect dampening it. Do you think about playing in different zones of a ride cymbal? All I know is I get maximum wash right out on the edge, and more stick def as I move towards the bell. Somewhat related question: Do you swell a crash cymbal (in percussion sections) with both mallets in the same area or with them placed on opposite sides of the cymbal?
Hi
Some cymbals such as old K's and other heavily hammered cymbals will have a sweet spot. I would never play a cymbal by pressing my stick in to it. It's bad for your hands and won't sound great either. It's called a dead stroke.
When you play a suspended cymbal roll, the best way to control the sound is to spread your mallets out to each opposite side of the cymbal.
This distributes the force evenly and keeps the cymbal from moving up and down.
Those Paistes are GRRRRRREAT!
Thank you sir . Cheers :)
Still have the peaveys?
Paiste 22" Traditional Medium Light China w/Rivets Weight = 2058
If I could find one, I'd be set!!
Paiste should remake this cymbal.so many people are chasing the same one as you have described. I purchased a masters 22"swish, it's close but not the same.
I absolutely love my Paiste China . Till death do us part….