Efficient Miniature Painting for Beginners - Board Games & War Games
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Some thoughts and specific product tips on how to create a more efficient painting process, for those new to the hobby.
I am no big fan of painting fast. I even think, in general, we concentrate to much on speed in regards to many things in our lives. This all being personal though, I also realize that some just want to get paint on their miniatures efficiently, to be able to get more time for the actual gaming.
This in mind, I still think speed - as in speed painting, can be mis conceptual. Speed is after all a personal variable. Efficiency though is a constant. And efficiency is the road to get miniatures done in less time than usual.
The miniatures painted in this video are from Lazy Squire Games board game Stormsunder: stormsunder-he...
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did you just tell me to jump out of a plane without a parachute? 😂
Hah! Yeah :) also watch out for ice bergs.
That's why I brought my own parachute. I'm goin all DB Cooper up in this channel!
"Like with outdoor sports, there's the wet kind and the dry kind." You slay me, sir. I am dead.
😂 thanks LR!
Zenithal + Thin Paints + Drybrush is one of my favorite ways to paint in general, and absolutely my go to when it's time to use my time efficiently.
Lovely Brandon!
I love seeing oils making a bit of a comeback of late. I'm a massive fan of Marko Frisoni's work and would love to see you incorporate more of his tricks.
The results are going to be absolutely banging beautiful. That's for sure!
Yeah, they are such a great compliment, and lovely tool. I try and use them more and more :)
Your comment about enamels and thinner in your youth brought back memories. Considering all the thinner and plastic cement fumes I have inhaled in poorly ventilated spaces as a youngster, I would imagine that I might have been a considerably brighter person, lol.
I also remember moments of burning plastic? But as you say, it’s all a bit fussy.
Dude, I love the focus on efficiency over speed. Too many painters worry too much about painting as quickly as possible. Lots of folks (especially beginners) don't realize that a simple paint scheme with simple paints will naturally lead to speed.
Yeah. And also that speed is so individual. I just like to take my time, but efficient painting can still relatively speed up my process if needed.
Excellent walkthrough!! Also, I absolutely LOVE your humor! Haha, perfect timing and delivery!
Well thank you! I appreciate it as always.
I'm a simple man - I see your new video I click that like button before even watching and then drop everythin else I'm doing to see what you got for us this time 😀
And I really appreciate that. Very much so.
You're a genuinely my favorite painting and minis channel, each of your video is just so pleasant to listen to and provides us with some great tips and information. Thanks for the awesome content!
Thank you for letting me know R! I very much appreciate it.
Honestly, one of the best miniature painting videos I’ve seen. I’m extremely new to the hobby ( painted like 5 minis) but I try to inform myself as much as possible and this video was very informative and talks about something that you don’t see a lot.(and funny, you are a funny guy)
Thanks Pedro! I’m glad to hear it. After painting for a while, it gets trickier to “see” out of the eyes of someone new to the hobby. But I tried to list some things I wish I personally would have tried to grasp earlier on.
There were books in the early shot: He's teasing us with the promise of another book video!
There was? I’ll have to go back and look 😂
@@52Miniatures I’d love to see another book video, and hope you’ll continue to produce them every few moons or so. 👍
This is a fantastic video. Thanks for reminding me that this new hobby is actually in support of the primary hobby: playing boardgames with my friends and family. Also, nice to see a "beginner" video that assumes I can handle some more advanced techniques like oil paints and pigment powders. :)
Thanks Richard, I appreciate it. I try and keep in mind as many aspects of the hobby as possible. It might make my content a bit confusing. Mixing “advanced” with “beginner”. But in the end I just hope to inspire people to paint.. paint whatever.. and I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it.
Really nice video. Again I say you're the Impressionist of the mini painting community. Color. Vibrancy. Unconventional use of mediums and materials. Bravo sir!
Well thank you very much Mike, I truly appreciate it.
You would be the stretch goal that made me buy into the Kickstarter.
Hah! Thanks Cory!
I'll always love how you write and tell a story while being extremely informative. Such a great fan over here!
Thank you Louie!
I still haven't tried oil paints. I think I should. I also have memories of painting metal minis with enamel paints. With no thinner. It may be a crime now, I'm not sure.
Oil paints really are lovely for so many things :)
When I started painting miniatures a year ago, that's what I used as well! I had a nice set, and still do! The miracle that was 'ACRYLIC PAINTS' was and still is a game changer! I can only hope that oil paints are even MORE amazing!
I think I’ve seen the whole arc. When I started it was Airfix kits with Airfix enamels and thinners. Then with Citadel paints acrylics came to dominate. Now oils are being showcased as very useful in addition to or instead of acrylics. I still use enamels and the likes of zhumbrol have also expanded the range of weathering effects.
Oil paint is a lot of work though. Its toxic and flammable so you need a well ventilated room and the rags and leftovers needs to be disposed as toxic waste.
Vibrant colours though
Great script! I had been putting this video down and down my list but now I understand how good of a summary you do of the different steps to mini painting! Very well done!
The anubis mini looks gorgeous and i think the undead could use a bit more magenta shading, but looks awesome too!
Thank you Valdo! I appreciate it. I agree with the magenta. I still haven't learned quite how much oil paints can dull down when diluted with so much white spirit. I need to be a little more aggressive :)
@@52Miniatures i can imagine it takes a while to get used to the oil paints. I'm having trouble getting used to the acrylics so i get it...
But keep up the good work! ;) you're the most pleasant of youtubers to watch at the moment, at least for me! ^^
@@VASM160689 Thank you humbly Valdo!
As always your amazing narration and video skills leaves me flabbergasted. You are a legend in the making. Mark my words!
I am no beginner, but i still thoroughly enjoyed that video. Heck, i didn't even read the title. I just saw a new video and clicked it.
Keep doing your great work and making this minipainting community an even better one!
Thank you humbly. And I’m glad there’s things to enjoy for not only beginners 🙏
This video needs whatever likes and/or shares and/or comments to thrust it through UA-cam’s incomprehensible algorithm (tm) into view of anyone taking their first steps into this wonderful, if almost perilously consuming, hobby. You’ve managed to condense so many great tips while simultaneously sidestepping even more initially unnecessary diversions and that’s a real accomplishment (and has the added plus of your dry, wry humor). I’ll be recommending this video anytime I see someone looking for guidance when acquainting themself with the hobby.
Well thank you E. I’m great full for all you’ve written, truly.
Your videos for miniature painting is so different from others - photography, narration and presentation. Definitely a breath of fresh air. Subscribed.
Welcome Nicholas
Great video! Also Kudos for mentioning Marco NJM. He´s really a master for anything that is miniature painting.
Thanks V! And yes, Marco is great.
I always enjoy searching for those little nuggets that are sprinkled throughout your videos. Great ideas presented in a fashion that promotes internalizing concepts. Thanks!
Well thanks Dale! I appreciate it.
The basics...but potentially so much to unpack here, lol. Thank you again for a wonderful video and monologue. Oil paints? So many miniature artists are exploring this now....Brrr...scary, but might have to just kick that door open and see what's inside!
Thanks Micheal. It doesn’t have to be scary at all. Just different and so very complementary to acrylics.
Love the work. This is definitely the area in which I'm currently trying to develop myself. Appreciate the work and in inclusion of Dana Howl & Marco Frisoni's work as well. All good places to continue my hobby journey. Ahh and I've gone back and been listening to some Neil Gaiman audio books at your suggestion, their great. Thanks.
Same here. I don’t really feel a need to work faster, but I sometimes definitely could do with some efficiency :) Thanks Dan
I truly love the way you explain things not only about painting but life in general, I come for the painting tips stay for the philosophy 👍
Well thank you Sean, I truly appreciate your comment.
Thanks for this wonderful video. I like the filming style of it. I'm definitely a beginner and absolutely agree that planning ahead of time will save so much time later during painting.
My pleasure T, I’m glad to hear you enjoyed the video.
i rly like the oil painting from wappellious and notjustmecha, as always a great video. and pls just do your videos how you do them. its so refreshing to see someone not overacting, hype up and "high energy" bs. just a normal guy who is talking about his hobby in a respectfull and soothing voice.
Yeah, they are both wonderful painters. I very much admire their knowledge and craft. And thank you 🙏
Loved this video! Subscribed to Dana Howl, Marco Frisoni and now you! All such great artist, love your work.
Well thank you Jeff! Welcome to the channel :)
Awesome video, dude. When I found your channel, I thought I was drawn to your soothing voice, but I think your variation of camera shots makes for such an intriguing cinematic tale. You somehow manage to turn painting a single miniature into an epic tale filled with adventure that I feel like only you can pull off. Bravo!
Thank you Greg. I hope a little tale can carry the “tutorial” style video a little further.. with some subliminal tips hidden here and there.
Watching those colours go onto the 'minion' had me going blech! but then I see the final result. He looks like a porcelain figuirine of a golem brought to life in a very spooky way - a far cry from 'standard' painting techniques but a remarkably different effect. Cool!
Thanks Keith. Yeah, I just kind of went for it. It’s almost to the point where I could just have “dunked” it into my wetpalate. But it was fun to see what I could do within such a small timeframe.
Contrast medium is actually acrylic matte medium. 50% paint, 50% matte medium, and a few drops of flow medium gets you a more cost effective contrast paint (acrylic inks are amazing with this recipe).
Thanks Evan! Good to know. I'll experiment with this one day.
No parachutes? No lifeboats?! What kind of channel is this?!
Great work as always.
It’s a hazard zone all right :)
Glaze Medium by Vallejo actually does a very similiar job to the contrast medium. Also, I like to dry brush the mini before using contrast/transparent colors. But it doenst make a time difference if you drybrush the mini before or after adding transparent colors ^^ Very nice video!
Nice tip Hendrik, thank you 🙏
It may be efficient, but it's also effective. I've no excuse not to get painting now!
Great video as ever
Thank you Michael!
a little added information for using oils + acrylics: the solvent for oils, wether it being turpentine or petrol based (whitespirit) does NOT interact with acrylics. its perfectly fine to use those without the fear or rubbing away the acrylic paints.
just make sure your undercoat is fully cured, since the reductive technique (wiping away the oils) puts mechanical stress to the area - eg. can rub away paints when you wipe like a mad lad :)
Agreed! They can stain though, if not varnished, and that can be a desired effect. I usually varnish if the acrylic is like a white that I definitely don’t want stained in the wrong places. But I also think it depends on the acrylic. A very matte Scale75 gets more staining than a Vallejo Game for example.
@@52Miniatures matte color usually has a bigger (rougher) surface compared to gloss. satin is inbetween rough and glossy. so yeah matte colors allow more pigment to stick around. like comparing an polished, a fine sanded and a rough sanded piece of metal.
but on the matter of staining with oils: this greatly depends on the color or more specifically on pigment, pigment grade, brand, time you let the oil cure (james wappel has some really good info on that in some of his videos).
one key difference between oils and acrylics was for me to understand that with oils, darker colors have mostly lower opacity than bright colors - while its vice versa with acrylics.
but i originally didnt plan on going into too many details. just wanted to ease some concerns i often hear from people using oils for the first time (e.g. 'doesnt whitespirit dissolve my acrylics?').
love your content, keep it coming
@@hanswurst5222 Thanks Hans! I love Wappel's work but have yet to check out any of his videos.
Oils can be extremely cheap. You can buy a set of 12 basic colours from as little as €3 (12 x 12ml Van Bleiswijck tubes made in Holland).
Only problem is they dry very slowly, typically a few days, even when you add some specialist quick-drying medium, and they’re not very opaque, so are best painted over an acrylic undercoat.
I find them great for painting horses, where blending colours is the only way you’ll get the subtle change of skin tone required.
Yes, dry times are definitely long. But I very rarely need to have things dry super fast. There is always another mini to pick up :) Thanks R!
so when do we get the patreon/stretch goal where you narrate sci fi books?
Well thanks :) I’m totally sure there is copyrights that need to be stretched to ever make that happen too..
@@52Miniatures The public domain is pretty vast, and strange tales and weird fiction make for some cozy evening reading (if you can sidestep some of the nastiness of the era)..... there might be some fun options to consider.
Maybe some of the lesser known short stories from Robert E. Howard, or Clark Ashton Smith... don't mind me, I'm just thinking out loud. :P
@@52Miniatures I am pretty sure the community can throw some money on that to make it happen. :-) also a quick google search told me that US copyright stretches for 70 years after the author's death, so pretty soon we are getting some awesome titles in the open waters.
Wonderful! Love what you are teaching, and the quality of your edits and filming is most excellent!
Thank you! I appreciate it greatly.
I have to be honest, at a certain point I was a bit unsure....BUT seeing it all come together the way it did. Wow! Good job Alex! Both minis look amazing! Can I give you a call for making/using oil washes 101? 🤣👍
Well thanks Leif, and - of course. Or you can just swing by when we both have our double shots :)
I take away so much from your videos as a complete art barbarian, great stuff!
Thank you DL, Barbarism can be seen as fresh air and clear eyes :)
The anubis mini is so pretty!! I am so envious of your talent.
Thank you D! I very much appreciate it.
Bravo! And 🙏 Thank you for this video, it helped me in painting a large number of miniatures effectively and efficiently for which I’m extremely grateful. Keep going and thanks again… kindest regards, the hermit scale model maker, fr. Hugh. Blessings.
Great to hear, thank you Vincent.
Not gonna lie, I got a bit lost on the minion… but by the old gods! You did it you magnificent son of an airbrush!
Yeah, I think I lost myself doing that little one :) thanks!
Watching Dana's videos but you haven't clicked that Subscribe button :') This made me a little sad xD
Yeah, I was probably logged in to another gmail account. I have a few.
Another reason to wash, if you've played a few games before getting around to painting them, the oils on your fingers can also make paint stick poorly.
Good point Yanni, thanks!
Nice, bonus Dana Howl video.
Yeah! 👍
dude, another masterpiece.
Thanks Sasha!
Man, once again what a great video. I can't seem to get bored of your contents. I just bought dominion myself and I'm gonna try to paint nmm with it as I can't seem to like metallic paint. I should also try oil paint at one point. I have a set of oil paint that can be diluted with water that I used to try to paint on canvas but I don't know if they would work with the cleaning coton technic, I may have to try (they are called artisan by N&W if anyone is reading this and is interested). Anyway, keep up the great work and thanks for producing good content!!
Thanks P! I’m kind of with you there on metallic paints. I find them difficult to apply, and paint with. It’s a different game :) but I’m trying to practice. I know about the water “soluble” oil paints but have not tried them yet. One of the great things with using regular oil paints is the dilution with white spirit, the white spirit adding the “flow” and wash like effects. A property that water does not have because of surface tension. I’d like to experiment with all this as many don’t want to deal with white spirits. But have not got to it yet.
NJM got me into oils too, and my painting has improved dramatically faster than before, I find everything so much more approachable with oils. To each their own and all, but oils are my currently my favourite. James Wapple has some great tips too!
Lovely to hear S, as you say, each to their own but I hope a lot try oils out before disregarding the concept.
great tips! I think what adds hugely to speed is painting more neatly, avoiding making mistakes saves a lot of time and frustration, but I don't think theres a quick shortcut to that. I got the whole contrast paint set after trying a few, they're a game changer I wish I'd bought them sooner.
Aye, eliminating mistakes is a practice thing. One of the reasons I think speed / efficiency is actually pretty advanced stuff. Thanks 🙏
Very good video.
I have not tried oil paints yet, but thanks to you I have tried my first wet blending. :-)
Efficiency comes mainly from how much detail you want to highlight. I am with you when you say that practice is essential. And of course, don't be afraid of making a mistake, you can always repaint and fix everything.
Thanks Leandro and great to hear about the wetblending. I think you are quite right, I find “speed” more difficult than painting like usually do. Because I just have not practiced it.
Another excellent piece, my friend. I laughed hard at "we sold them for a set of oil paints". I've been on the fence a long while about starting to use those; guess it's about time to try.
I think they are a wonderful tool Jesse. For many things. Well worth browsing the UA-cams for different approaches and usage.
By the time the vid jumps from Anubis to the other dude I was like 'where the heck are the oil paints!?".
Early in the vid I also thought that it was leaning more towards theory (mixing paints with mediums) than practical painting, wondering where that tendency will lead to.
In the end it was like between both seas tho.
Top notch editing as always.
Javier! I’ve missed you, you know. I thought I saw a comment on the last video, but then couldn’t find it. A Spanish mirage. I hope the parrot is doing well. Yeah, this video was, for me, more of an introduction to some things I find a lot of beginner videos maybe should include (or that I wish I would have payed attention to). But then also realizing so much has already been done... but I was pretty happy with the little minion miniature and I’m mentally working on improving that concept. Hope you are staying safe.
@@52Miniatures yeah, left a comment here and there. Hard Times, you know. Kids grow up but birds are noisy till the end ;-)
Saw a comment from someone having trouble with oil paint. Maybe you can address that issue, as as you once were concerned with hobby space, airbrush etc. There are people out who might not have an airbrush friendly life or like that given case, people getting head aches from oil solvents.
Opening the hobby to people that might want to use a certain technique but by some sort of means can't would be a pretty inclusive topic. You know. Alternatives to messy techniques or something. Just trying to work some ideas out ;)
Glad u doing so good so far Alex, you are now a reference to many (you totally deserve the fame) and most importantly, you've shown already to have strong and gentle values to dish out. So much respect.
I’m glad to hear the bird is keeping you alert :) I agree, I’m constantly juggling the personal access to all the stuff vs. the feeling I had when I started out. The “this video is not helping, because I don’t have an airbrush” feeling. I have been thinking of oil paints actually, and the new “water soluble”... but need to get some to mess with. My understanding is that they are water “cleanable”, but not soluble per say. And all the benefits of white spirit would have to be exchanged for something else. But I’d like to experiment and try. Same with the airbrush, I’d like to get better at airbrush but at the same time I try and do videos not based around airbrush. And then, let’s not get started on 3D printers 😂 I’m having fun though, and I’m very much looking forward to the coming months, I have fun stuff planned. And thank Javier, I appreciate your support.
PLANNING!
Sub-assembly?
PLANNING!
Colour to prime?
PLANNING!!!
Buy 100 paints of the same colour but a SLIGHTLY different hue
PLANNING!
Change colour scheme
Get bored
Start a new army
Great video as always mate, really enjoy watching your stuff, it’s brilliant thank you!
I know planning... trickier than NMM... 😂
@@52Miniatures planning the NMM is the one!
Great video. Lots of awesome thoughts on efficiency. I recently pared back a scheme I'd been working on in a similar way for an army for a game I realized I will likely never play. Nevertheless want to have the army painted... just in case... ... ...
Thanks T! An army can always come in handy :) or just be a fun way of narrowing down what minis to paint.
Another great video! Excellent tips and love the results! Thank you!
My pleasure P, and thank you!
Sorry for the down vote. I dig the mention of oil paint/washes, but if your topic is on efficiency, then it should actually be just that. For example, you go quite a bit of distance to mix contrast paints, which prolongs the painting time. It would've been much more efficient to just use the standard contrast paints. Another issue, is your choice of gold paint (there are quite a few better alternatives, that go alot faster). Finally, when applying oil washes over a mini painted with contrast paint, or any paint, its a really good tip to varnish the model first, to protect those initial layers of acrylic paint.
I appreciate your thoughts G, thanks.
Great video as always! You and Dana Howl's channels are my favorite on UA-cam. Also, I just finished American Gods. Great recommendation!
Great to hear! And I’m glad you enjoyed the book!
Brilliant as always. Planning is my Kryptonite. Years ago I was able to plan - now, perhaps because of the taint of Chaos? - I am far less able. Hopefully its like any atrophied muscle, it will get better with repeated use. Cheers!
I hope so to, for the most I’m a terrible planner :)
Fun fact, there are water soluable oil paints now. It's magic.
I know, I’ll have to try them at some point. Thanks G
Well done sir, great approach, practical and simple without being basic. I learned a lot and in an approach I have not thought of before.
Thank you Joe and great to hear!
There he goes again, the hobby philosopher. Great. There ist much to Profit from, regardless of where you stand on the ability scale.
Thank you 🙏 I very much appreciate it.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thanks for sharing your journey
Thanks Mark! My pleasure
Truly briliant as always 😊
Well thank you Jakub!
Thanks! I learnt something new today.
Glad to hear it!
"Don't bother to look for life boats. We sold them. For more paints"
Lolololol so good
Hah. Thanks J!
The most efficient tool for me is the airbrush...but sadly it is often too expensive for a beginner.
And damn you (and Marco and Ninjon) and your oil paints :P
Hah! The darn oil paints, I know. But the more I use them, the more I wish I would use them. I still haven’t managed to make my airbrushing efficient. I get amazed by the perfect gradients and then try and highlight and that as perfectly with the brush. But I’m trying to learn :) Thanks M!
As Marco Frisoni said, everything you can do with the airbrush you can do with a regular brush, but usually slower. Or was it Vince Venturella that said that. Who knows, but I agree with them.
These came out amazing, as usual. I love both. I make my own contrast medium. So much cheaper than buying it (if you feel like making it - it's super easy). Anyway, thank you for another amazing video!
Lovely stuff. How does one go about making ones own?
@@52Miniatures there are a few different ways! After I finish cooking dinner I will give you my recipes 🙂 I have 2 of them.
"...planning...you see"
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Lovely :) Welcome to the channel
They look so good!
Thank Evan!
Fantastic video! I used to use oil paints back in the day but I was an armature and got it mostly wrong. After watching your vids and those of Master Frisoni I have taken to using them again, the finish being far superior used with washes of inks of thinned paint. Thank you for sharing this with us and I look for ward to the next video!
Great to hear! I still feel like I want to ad more oils in my workflow, but I’m slowly getting there.
have a look into james wappel. even marco calls him the master of oil paints :) great stuff
Another top quality video.
Thanks D!
I just ordered my first box of minis (official minis, not the things I trash bashed) and am mentally preparing to paint them when they arrive, and you drop this video. Are you reading my mind or something?
I was not going to mention my psychic powers... but.. 😂 Good luck D!
What a great video, thanks for all the helpful tips.
Thank you Hans, and my pleasure :)
When my brushes get worn I cut them in various ways to aid in stipple or dry brushing.
Good point! Yeah, I never throw out a brush. There is always use for an old brush.
And there's the low level perspective through bicycle wheels..... woot!
The requested re-run :)
I think the last 45-60 seconds are probably the most important out of the whole video.
Thanks, I seem to be ending videos with conclusions that maybe should be intros..
@@52Miniatures It was actually a perfect conclusion. It would not have fit as an intro. It's just from my experience the most valuable advice and the important bit of this topic in general
Really great paint job 👍
Thank you!
Fantastic work as always! I hope that I will be able to paint this good one day. Just got into sculpting minis, excited to see if I can make models that are as detailed as those
Sculpting is still beyond me :) good luck!
Don't know if on purpose, but you skipped removing mold lines during preparation of models. I know it takes some time and drags down efficency, but skipping that part may result in some frustration during or after painting process. Unless you watch them from quite distance. Just a thought. Once again, very nice visual presentation.
Yeah, I figured removing mold lines is something Dana, and many others cover. I agree with you though. Personally I spend a lot of time on all them lines :) Although I didn’t for these two minis, as a sort of “its fine to leave them as long as they don’t bother you”.
Another great video love all the advice.
Thanks Dave!
Completely normal mate! I refer you to Stranger Things, it's a documentary of my teen years ;-)
Winsor and Newton made a Water mixable oil colour :)
I know! Only water has an issue with surface tension, and that is where white spirit is like magic. But I do want to experiment with them and see how they work out. Thanks T!
I like your little dry pallette. What is it a tile and a piece of parchment paper? Less clean up sounds like a great freaking idea
Yeah! the parchment paper was just to make tiding up a little easier, not optimal as the paper sucks in a bit of the moisture. A "varnished" tile, or a peice of glass with rounded edges would be pretty great.
what specifically is that anubis miniature? I know you linked the lazy squire link but I cant see the anubis perhaps I am being blind. I love egyptian stuff and want to use it to proxy in my egyptian eldar army
It’s from a boardgame called Stormsunder. I don’t think they sell minis separately. Maybe there is other similar things 3D printable? Should be a pretty popular fellow to sculpt.
Wonderful tips
Thanks BB!
Awesome job on this one my friend
Thanks Matt!
I would like to add that shading metallics with contrast medium doesnt work well as it is pretty matt and will ruin the finish, better just use water, the metallic glossy finish of the surface will make the thing run into the crevices the same way
I’m personally not to fussed about matte metallics. But I know most like it glossy. Some gloss varnish would solve that nicely. Thanks A!
I've not been that happy with glaze medium + other paints. It works similar to a lot of other mediums of similar viscosity at that point. It works well to thin contrast paints (and each color of those deserves its own grade on how well it works), but otherwise, I think you can use almost any medium for the same effect. I like Golden Hi-Flow to really thing things down. (very thin, plus flow improver in it).
Nice Nathan, thank you.
I had been wondering if you were going to get the dominion box! Though that said, I feel like the stormcast (Nu-cast?) archers previewed in the last AoS preview fit your aesthetic very, very well.
Yeah! I still haven’t opened it. I have plans but I’m in no rush. Love the new Stormcast and the new Orc faction.
My major beef with oil paints is the resultant cleanup. I hate the smell of white spirits, I hate having jars of disgusting white spirits and paint sludge around, then trying to separate out the white spirits that are still good into another jar that's going to sit around and be stinky and sludgy... having to find a place to evaporate the spirits out before I throw away the sludge, having to worry about my trash randomly lighting itself on fire if I throw away a paper towel I've blobbed thinner on while cleaning my brushes. They do some beautiful washes, but so do acrylic washes and I'm less worried about those sitting around remaining sticky for a day or two. I wonder if this same effect could be achieved with open acrylics and/or water mixable oils?
I don’t really have any issues, I still have the same jar of white spirit I filled a year back. But it is a bigger hassle than water that’s for sure. I’m spontaneously thinking water soluble oil paint would not work as well as traditional, for washes.
I’m guessing it is the properties of the dilutant and not the paint that makes the wash what it is?
Water has the physical property known as 'surface tension' attached to it.
Water makes domes (drops) instead of lying flat on non porous surfaces. You can kill that with a tiny bit of dish soap.
That's half the reason why oils are great: no water, no surface tension , so the flow as hell, hence their use for pin/panel washing on war related scale models.
The other half is that it takes longer for oils to cure and while they are at it, they can be reactivated by adding solvent.
Acrylics somewhat (to make this shorter) turn into a plastic layer over the model, and that's kinda fast, so no forgiving wet blending nor subtractive techniques with Acrylics.
Life is too short to worry about everything: the 3 of us are still alive despite the solvent fumes. Nasty odour but that's all. Even parrot with small lungs is fine.
If it's way too much of a concern you can put everything aside on the yard, balcony, window... till smell kinda wears off.
Closest to oil washes you could get would be dipping miniatures in wood stain or the equivalent product for shoes care, let it cure for a moment and shake the excess away / wipe it with a piece of cloth I'd say.
Happy paintin'
@@zamo9660 It's not that I'm 'worried' about the fumes it's that they immediately and irreparably ruin my day - I get a major headache after working with white solvent even if I do it outside on the patio. Having to smell it inside afterward - or deal with a model that has dust stuck to every part of it due to being tacky for 2 days when I dry it outside in the desert... throwing away gobs of paper towels, q-tips, tinfoil (for my palette, so I don't have to also clean IT with white spirits), for 1 night of painting is just... so much. It was certainly worth trying but when I throw away a mass of crud larger than a model just to paint 1 guy and get a huge headache for my troubles, I suppose it's just not worth it. Maybe I'll give water soluble oils and water with some dish soap in it a try...
@@MS-zo8tp IKR, headache just flirts with me but turns into a migraine for my fiance.
Good luck with that.
I'd say you need stain power, long working time and no surface tension.
Maybe artist inks (like liquitex, daler rowney...) will give you the color potency and transparency, liquitex's matt medium the viscosity, then a bit of paint retarder and flow improver all mixed together may work for you :)
The water mixable oils is a bit of a misnomer, they are water soluble for clean up and still work exactly like 'normal' oil paints. Schmincke also make a product called Medium W, that you mix in with 'normal' oils and it allows you to clean up with water.
Can we see a bit about that little black book of paint colors? I didn't see one in his Playlist. I think that is a great tip, and one I'd like to execute.
Keepin all your paint in a little book is a great idea
I wish I had this when I started
Thanks N! That was kind of what I used as reference :) stuff I felt I would have payed more attention to when starting out.
@@52Miniatures yeah when I started, I kind of just slapped some thick paint all over my unprinted models for a year before I even imagined there was another way, but with people like you I am learning how to paint models I'm actually proud of. Thanks!
This is great! I want to get more bang for my buck (less time investment + big payoff = aesthetic profit), since I work a full time job but want something that looks far superior to WizKids minis (no offense Paizo). Even Golden Demon level painters can use these ideas and spend that much more time and get that much more for their investment. As you said, efficiency is a ratio (not speed).
Thanks Doug, I hope you get some efficient painting done :)
Awesome!
Thanks Rob!
Welcome to you too :-)
Hah! Thanks :) it’s a good thing I can fly.
"Cotton buds" 👍🏻
:) Here we call them “tops” 🤷🏼♂️
Great video and sometimes just hearing things we "know" said again helps remind us to try those things we keep delaying and just go for it. What is the worst that can happen, we jump with no chute?
Thanks Blake! I think the question is, “how will we ever find out if we can fly without jumping without the shoot?” :)
im on the fence of getting oil washes etc into my common use stuff....... should i put varnish on before i use oil washes etc? if so does it matter which?
You don't have to! But you can experiment with it. The mayor difference is the "texture" of what you add oil washes to. A satin or glossy surface does not stain as much and the wash flows better. A matte surface is the opposite. Some paints are already satin finish - like GW and vallejo paints. I use a lot of Scale75 and that is very matte. So I varnish sometimes to get a better flow, or when I don't want any staining.
The green stuff world gold pigment actually covers well??
Real well in my opinion! :) one needs a medium to mix it with of course. But yeah!