AI Art bro here and i want to help you to make your art harder to be taken or to be generate by ai: 1.use an image aspect ratio that is not in power of 2 like 640x640 or 1024x980 and so on, use an aspect ratio like this 1577x899 2.use some kind of simple pattern in the background or on objects,ai art always messes this up like a simple checkerboard pattern 3.use things in your are that are transparent looking, because ai art cant find out how to make something transparent. its because when ai generate things it makes every pixel at the same time, its not an layer based generation, so when you make something transparent you have done already the layers behind it and than add an transparent layer on top of that, ai art cant do this well or just bad. 4.hand and feet are better now with control net options BUT when they touch complex forms its all get messy 5.when you ad things in the background that look like text or symbols but aren't , most ai look at this image in their training and will get confused and will remind this image as text. so next time someone would generate the same style it can happen that the ai generates text. 6.never use simple or no background its easier for ai to be trained on it, always use an complex background it dont need to make any sense, add light rays in the foreground that changes the HUE or colors in the image and that also confuses the training of ai. when you want to look at ai art only use lexica.art/ there can you see the biggest flaws they have. i hope in the future image ai uses an CC0 image model so this "war" is over.
@@RedOpticsdon't let yourself get upset over that misconception. Your not the only one bothered by that. It's just a way people express how they feel because they don't know how else to phrase it. Some don't actually realize how much work went into getting good enough to the point that people who think omg your so talented or gifted.
@@RedOptics that might be one of the biggest flaw in the beginner artist, they don’t learn fundamentals then they complain about it and give up early. Yes, some people can draw without learning fundamentals, but they are very few. Whenever somebody is having problem, I just advise them to learn the fundamentals first, but they don’t listen. to be good at drawing you need to practice every single day, draw various things not just humanoid characters because it increases our knowledge improve our withdrawing and we can keep on drawing every single day. When you draw the same thing over and over again, our brain just get tired and don’t want to do the task anymore and happened to me a lot of time.
@@RedOpticsand talent do exist in art not everyone can create amazing art. Yes everyone can draw but to create something amazing requires skill and talent.
'nothing is at stake so just do it' is so profoundly reassuring that it almost feels stupid. something i've been trying to process and have been needing to hear for a long time. what a fantastically cool and insightful and down to earth guy.
The part of me that wanted to draw (specifically, wanted to use drawing as a medium to illustrate their characters) never overcame the part of me that felt absolute revulsion after a drawing session for having engaged in the activity. It never did feel rewarding to do.
I don’t wanna say this but. It’s not the algorithm’s fault. It just noted that You’ve just been more into a particular type of stuffs. If you’re into anime and manga topics, you’ll see comments related to it at the top. So if you want more meaning stuffs, subscribe and like those who produce those contents ONLY, don’t use too much time on the video you don’t have interest in.
@@Drawperfectcircles yea but you gotta find people who make these content somehow, that's when the algorithm comes into play also, the algorithm is designed to keep you scrolling for as long as possible, which means its obviously gonna feed you meaningless dopamine-enducing content because that's what profits more, so it does have a fault, too.
@@Akathysia I think I should make a video on ‘how to actually find good content’. A lot of people don’t realize that the algorithm can be fed with insufficient or misleading information from the creators(a lot of times unknowingly). The algorithm even uses the thumbnail to classify videos. And you’re right, the algo is made to keep you scrolling, but You really won’t be scrolling if don’t find anything interesting. Why would anyone keep scrolling when there is nothing more interesting to see. Just leave for a while, take a break… and then look specifically for the info you desire(good underrated content will automatically start appearing in your feed when you reopen the app)
made a whole video about drawing with ultra instinct on my secret UA-cam channel... thought I invented something but this concept is exactly what I was talking about😂 if I saw this video before, I'd probably have been more confident about what I was yammering about but at least I know I'm on the right track with my journey
I have been drawing ever since i could hold a pencil and this dudes every word is exactly correct. Well worded to understand the process. Just do it no excuses. You WILL surprise yourself. Get out of your criticism of yourself and just get it done and judge it later. It really does suck when it doesnt turn out like you wanted but most of the time its better. I take years hiatuses because i want to create only absolute masterpieces. Dont do that. Just put lines to paper!
Holy fuck this is exactly how I feel when I draw. Like I’ve seen so many “here’s how YOU can get out of YOUR Artist block!” but this is so genuine and real that it’s unbelievable
This video is awakening my inner spark. I've had so much bad luck for years and sat on ideas I have been afraid to execute because they would never meet my expectations. But they NEVER will, because the hype builds in my head the longer I don't JUST MAKE IT!
The Flow state is the only state that releases the entire stack of the brain’s ‘Feel good’ neuro-chemicals. Only 10% of people regularly engage with this state. It’s great to encourage people to learn about and understand how to start their practice to enter into flow. There is a sweet spot where challenge meets the edge of your skill level this is a big contributor to the flow state.
you’re right, becoming engaged in flow puts you in the present, alleviating depression (being in the past) and anxiety (being in the future). i think that figure is a lot higher than 10%, i can’t imagine they surveyed enough artists to quantify it. some steps to get there are turning your phone’s Do Not Disturb on, turn off any distractions (except music), stay off social media and stop reading this and close youtube
Idk if that's true, but it is definitely a state where your awareness is prioritized over your consciousness, to do without thinking but being fully aware the whole time. Similar to meditation, but reached through participating in a skilled activity
Yesterday I had a discussion with my brother, who studied graphical art, about AI in art. And I was very surprised that he apparently thinks that using AI to speed up the entire process of creation on every level is a great thing. And then I listen to this interview and I can't shake the feeling that, maybe my brother, despite having a degree in this stuff, doesn't actually know what art is. A chilling thought when you think about the implications it might have for broader humanity.
It’s a difficult problem. I understand wanting to use certain ai tools to do the tasks that we don’t want to do, but there is a line where it detracts from the creativity.
@@KristianNeeTV IMO AI leapfrogs TOO much of the creative process. I think non-artists maybe don't understand that the outcome is the result of all of the turmoil, decisions, and accidents - we're not just hitting copy-paste from our brains to a piece of paper. When all of the decisions are made for you, and you're presented with the final image, it completely deflates the process, and might curb the chance of anything new arising.
@@KristianNeeTV I think that line is reached when you use it for anything beyond the most mundane aspects of your art. He actually said that AI outputs often form the basis of his art from where he builds up. It means many of his works will only ever carry the essence of the smallest common denominator of our society (because that's what AI is trained to do) and he doesn't see that as a problem. I've recently seen many other artists who also don't seem to care about that. I find that baffling.
@@sterlingmorris2701 Absolutely. And it would be one thing, if only non-artists failed to understand that. But when artists fall into the same trap, I get the feeling that something is seriously wrong with people.
This quote I heard decades ago is quite telling of the difference between ai generated images and art: My thumbprint on this 1000-year-old pot matches hers.
I really resonate with the message about loving what you do. For a long time I was so stressed by the process I forgot how to love the process. Overcoming that and rediscovering the love of the working process is what saved my art. Even on days when I feel my art isn’t up to par I ask myself “did I have fun?” And if the answer is yes then it was all worth it. Shoot for making the answer to that question a “yes” and you’ll be a happier and more fulfilled artist.
'a lot of self doubt when it comes to image making' dude.. I promise you that it transcends the realm of visual arts and seeps into music/sound as well.
true but visual art is a bit different partially due to how "free" it is. many artists are self taught and or only get an official education later on in life and even then thats around 3 years which is hardly enough time to become a professional , artists have to have been learning way before and long after their art " education". with music or what particulary comes to mind is learning to play an instrument you have much more guidance , theres a way thats proven and used by many to learn for eg the piano while in art you are often just left to your own devices and have to figure out the "how to learn " process yourself. and then things like the grid method in art get popular and only encourage copying without understanding and pursuing this way of practice literally just wastes your time and you only learn to copy better without learning to create ( you will always be limited by your refrence) like theres so little info and guidance on the topic that traps like that exists in great numbers. anyways i do generally agree with your sentiment.
@@ceton1843 That's moreso about the disposition of the artist and not about the actual medium. Similar to music, there are a lot of proven methods and fundamentals to follow in visual art. I have no education in music whatsoever, and I've tried to make a song before. I felt so unbelievably lost because I didn't understand anything about notes or chords or... anything really? Compared to art though, I understand a lot more of the "rules" of art and I feel like I can create really great things because I can follow them. This is definitely not a bash against either medium, but I'm just saying that they are both the same when it comes to self-doubt and creation.
I dont think ive ever been truly happy about something ive drawn or painted. It'll get praise from people who ask to see it, but all i can see is small mistakes or wishing I went about it a different way. I'm sure this is a decent way to improve, more so than being complacent thinking everything i draw is gold.
This is why you befriend honest _artists_ for criticism. This can trick you and your viewers into thinking a drawing is good. The artists will tear you a new one for not connecting a line behind an object lol
perfect summary, literally the first 20 seconds of this video is so true, hitting the flow state is so hard to achieve half the time, I've had instances of flow state for hours and then the next day ill do a line and ill be like what the heck am I doing
this man is so lovely and inspirational. he brings me into closer contact with my younger self, who would, in the sixth grade, build epic styrofoam set pieces of alien worlds and different sci fi stories i had floating in my head. then i would track toward sculpting something. then i'd make a drawing. then a story. i wish i had parents that would have noticed i was designing things, like sets and characters and worlds, rather than just making shitty childish art pieces.
This is true for everything to tbh. As soon as I stopped caring everything became better, less negative emotions and your productivity shoots up because procrastion is actually the result of expectations and negative emotions you aren't aware of that are tied to the tasks and don't know how to manage. Learning how to CHANGE your expectations and not focus on progress NOR outcome will help you achieve this. I now draw and play instruments everyday not because I have to but because its a natural desire to, with 0 negative emotions or perfectionistic tendencies. To learn how to do this, look into CBT, DBT, ACT. CBT = Cognitive behavioral therapy DBT= Dialectical Behavioural Therapy ACT = Acceptance therapy
It's funny hearing him talk about music being a more immediate creative hit, and drawing being a longer term thing, because I feel exactly the opposite haha! When I'm making a song it takes so long to write and get it perfect and then recording it is a long slow process. Whereas if I sit down to draw I have something in front of me in half an hour an hour that looks pretty cool and I get such a buzz 😁
Awesome content! I agree, art is about intuition, right brain thinking, going with the flow. Left brain thinking, planing, analizing during the flow destroys it. I tried to learn to draw and paint wrong way. You can't learn it, you have to FEEL it from the beginning. Then you improve your feeling with raising your estethic judgment when drawing. You can brake every rule but if it looks good it's good. And composition is "the one to rule them all" - visual interest that keeps the viewer in your image. I got District 9 artbook on my shelve. One and only, unique concept art, set standards for the industry.
I can vouch for the composition part often than not composition is actually in everything you draw, not only in landscape art, it is used for every form of visual art and everything you draw is basically an overlap of foundational skills and composition skills, I notice that my drawings get messed up when I’m thinking of the drawing being separated into “sections” especially when I’m drawing anatomy from Imagination. But if I imagine the drawing as being one whole piece then my intuition takes over and I can just float the image in my head and it just flows suddenly my forms look right. And this is why I say composition is crucial to achieving flow, if anything were to take up the conscious front mind it should be abstract composition, for me I utilize the principle of design for everything I draw (control paint has a good video on this). Thinking about big to small, thinking bigly = composition, thinking small= details and forms.
His ideas about drawing are perfect for guitar too. Like guitarists with his mindset make the most amazing things. There may be 'better' guitarists in terms of any aspect you can measure but if you take his attitude and apply it to guitar and just keep going and flowing you'll get there.
Evel Knievel's metaphor is so real, one of the best videos I have seen on creative process and art, I recommend Gilles Deleuze's lecture "the act of creation" if you want more.
More of a musician than a visual artist and what he says about reflecting upon what you've made and feeling like something other than yourself made it is crazy. I feel that all the time. Creativity is a brilliant ability to hone. Anyone feeling doubt with themselves please heed this man's advice and just start. Keep at it, and one day you're gonna be amazing, just like Greg!
Being an artist is being a part of the process of making art!!! The "process' is the major source of pleasure in being an artist1!! A.I. Generative Art will NEVER fulfill this experience!!!
Finally, an artist that speaks to my heart. I agree with everything he said. On the new graphic novel I'm working on, EVERY PAGE I'm like, "I can't do this," and sweat and plow through anyway, and then the next morning I look at what I did and am like, "Did I do that?! I can't believe I actually did that." He's right, the only way to do it is just do it.
It's funny how this video was recommended to me today. Funny because month ago I had a huge breakthrough in my artist carrier, I just stopped caring. Now when I draw something I just draw, I don't overthink it, I don't judge the result, I just let my 8 years of drawing to do the thing. I've been learning how to fly for all this years and all this years instead of flying I though again and again how to do it better. Honestly just letting myself draw without caring felt liberating and I wish all artist would stop criticising their works so much. Just let yourself fly, people!
Something that's interesting to me is that the feeling of "what the fuck are you doing you're going to die" in the middle is exactly the experience I have making original music. Especially with more instruments, doing a sketch of a song can be quick, but fleshing it out and polishing it takes days days, and most of the time I'm thinking this "sounds like crap, where am I even going God help me". Listening to this gave me a lot more confidence when I hit that stage.
2:22 This part's so real to me! I had some nasty art block for a few years, and managed to finally break out of it with hemp gummies. It's probably also the reason I like to create at night: there's that special space between being awake and asleep that blurs your thoughts enough to block the inner critic, and lets you slip into the flow state a little easier. Getting buzzed feels similar to me. Obviously, gotta consume responsibly, but it does very much help me break past that stuck point occasionally.
It's even harder to build self-confidence and a meticulous creative process in an era where most people can't tell the difference between human made artworks and AI prompted content. Kids starting out in the industry have to compete against an all-powerful enemy which can copy every move you make. Skill, trust and hope for a better tomorrow are being sacrificed on the altar of greed and instant gratification.
He mentions in the video you should have a reason for doing art; if that reason is just "for a career" then you will always feel this unsureness and that will hold you back. AI is inevitable but if that alone affects your reasoning for pursuing art then you might as well stop. Or.... Find a better reason, do it for yourself maybe. It's rewarding watching your skill develop and become a master even if no one else will. Good luck
this guy is 100% on the same train of thought as me artistically. what hes expressing is right on the money for people who lean more on the art side of concept art/design.
I love the insights into this process. I paint miniatures, and I find that the world building, and character imagination, inner monologue and narrative helps with defining the colour palette and patterning choices. It helps you get into the flow, and know what to emphasize. It's hard to know when you're done sometimes. I take pictures of the model periodically and try to view it that way. Otherwise you get "too close" to the piece and can't see what needs changing.
I partly went through Russian academic art system (just college, no academy). And these problems of doubt and indecisiveness is what holds me back all the time. I actually feel great doing commission murals but not my own work, and this interview was really refreshing to hear. Kudos to both of you
"While doing the artwork, it's pretty much nonstop doubt." I used to be like that. Then I got "artist" in my job title and it eventually went away. Now, at worst. it feels like work. At best, it's the best.
This was a great interview! I so much related to pretty much everything Greg said! I was drawing at age 5 or 6, too. And not like the other kids in my class. I was driven just like the artist in me, now. I had to make it work, somehow. Anyway, thanks for this :) Even now, as a geezer artist at age 70, still it's good to hear other art folks talk about their motivation, process, all of it :)
Subbed. Why? This video is a no nonsense talk of the common issues artists at all levels face. It’s the journey, not the finished product or reward of success. It’s the hard hitting truth of trials we all face in the artist journey. No how to do art in 30 days and no tutorial that can only fathomed by those who have better understanding of all the art fundamentals. What I understood here is how key our mental side is with regards to art learning and creation. Is it worth it to me? Is this my passion? If yes, then do it. Just F@*king Do It! Kristin Nee thank you for doing this video and talking to Greg Beardmore and thank you Greg for saying it like it is and not how people want to hear it.
There's a bunch of studies on the link between alcohol and creativity (and plenty of anecdotal evidence) that make it seem like having just enough to take the edge off improves creativity and problem solving by limbering up the mind. Obviously the big problem is that if you experience this firsthand and start doing it on a daily basis it takes more and more alcohol to get to the same point.
Sometimes you just listen to something so resonating and validating, like he described my journey from day one to being a semi professional 4 years later, in well articulated thoughts that I could not describe myself. The woes, the inhibition, etc. It is a common theme but the way he described his thoughts felt uniquely similar to how I would tell it if I could like him. Thank you for sharing this with us.
That evil kinevil metaphor hits home for me, I’ve noticed that feeling of panic doesn’t leave even after many years of drawing and painting. Really does feel like starting from square one every time
Hearing Greg talk about flow feeling like it comes from somewhere else is incredibly validating. It feels like inhibitions, self doubt, ego, the masks we wear, it all stifles the artistic flow and expressing our true selves, regardless of artistic medium. I think our flow or muse, is just the real us peeking through, maybe that's why it feels like the really good shit, the art that we make that really speaks to us and feels like we could never replicate it, is just our true selves that we generally keep locked in a box to appease and fit in. Thanks for the video! This was incredibly helpful.
Lots of good advice here. Great interview honestly. So glad i stumbled across this, gonna try to apply some of his advice. You're a great interviewer btw !
"Some people may be thinking only of it as a career and therefore worry "will AI replace me?" or whatever... you are not necessarily doing it for the right reason. The right reason is that you love the thing" Yes! This has been one of my main points of head-scratching whenever I see people who draw get alarmed by the advent of AI... If you love drawing, you don't have to stop, why stop? If you stop is maybe because you never loved it in the first place. For me it was the other way around; I felt a big calling towards traditional media after playing with Midjourney back in 2022. Digital drawing tools felt kind of obsolete after those moments with MJ, but pencils, paints and papers started to feel like vehicles for actual, physical representations of thought and emotion, and although I do both, I don't think I've ever been more in love with drawing that I am now. Thanks for this great interview!
I draw for my younger self try to keep the good/ bad out of it its done /not done I set myself into. Because 5 10 years ago I am the artist I wanted to be even if I'm not the artist I want to be today.
Same concepts with creating most art ... when I try to create new music, I sometimes have a complete idea in my head, but once I start working and recording, a lot of it just goes out the window, and I often end up with a final product different than my original conception. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes not. You never know how it will actually come out.
I watched a ton of motivation and analysis video for artist. Every video with the message: "trust the process" and "draw what you like" is a win! I can relate. Also I will maybe try alcohol for my next artblock... :D I hope it wont work tho. x)
Two beers, not getting drunk, two beers (one if youre tiny) is the elixir. Most of my friends who write and draw meet up for a drink or two to get the flow state going. Anything more is counterproductive
Go follow Greg! instagram.com/greg_broadmore/?hl=en
AI Art bro here and i want to help you to make your art harder to be taken or to be generate by ai:
1.use an image aspect ratio that is not in power of 2 like 640x640 or 1024x980 and so on, use an aspect ratio like this 1577x899
2.use some kind of simple pattern in the background or on objects,ai art always messes this up like a simple checkerboard pattern
3.use things in your are that are transparent looking, because ai art cant find out how to make something transparent. its because when ai generate things it makes every pixel at the same time, its not an layer based generation, so when you make something transparent you have done already the layers behind it and than add an transparent layer on top of that, ai art cant do this well or just bad.
4.hand and feet are better now with control net options BUT when they touch complex forms its all get messy
5.when you ad things in the background that look like text or symbols but aren't , most ai look at this image in their training and will get confused and will remind this image as text. so next time someone would generate the same style it can happen that the ai generates text.
6.never use simple or no background its easier for ai to be trained on it, always use an complex background it dont need to make any sense, add light rays in the foreground that changes the HUE or colors in the image and that also confuses the training of ai.
when you want to look at ai art only use lexica.art/ there can you see the biggest flaws they have.
i hope in the future image ai uses an CC0 image model so this "war" is over.
"Don't let your lack of talent get in the way of your ambition." Holy fuck this is the exact advice i needed right now.
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@@RedOpticsdon't let yourself get upset over that misconception. Your not the only one bothered by that. It's just a way people express how they feel because they don't know how else to phrase it. Some don't actually realize how much work went into getting good enough to the point that people who think omg your so talented or gifted.
@@RedOptics that might be one of the biggest flaw in the beginner artist, they don’t learn fundamentals then they complain about it and give up early.
Yes, some people can draw without learning fundamentals, but they are very few.
Whenever somebody is having problem, I just advise them to learn the fundamentals first, but they don’t listen. to be good at drawing you need to practice every single day, draw various things not just humanoid characters because it increases our knowledge improve our withdrawing and we can keep on drawing every single day. When you draw the same thing over and over again, our brain just get tired and don’t want to do the task anymore and happened to me a lot of time.
@@RedOpticsand talent do exist in art not everyone can create amazing art. Yes everyone can draw but to create something amazing requires skill and talent.
@@RedOptics Yes cause all of us can work really hard and draw like Murata. Sorry Tell that to Rudy and why he didn't make the NFL.
'nothing is at stake so just do it' is so profoundly reassuring that it almost feels stupid. something i've been trying to process and have been needing to hear for a long time. what a fantastically cool and insightful and down to earth guy.
The part of me that wanted to draw (specifically, wanted to use drawing as a medium to illustrate their characters) never overcame the part of me that felt absolute revulsion after a drawing session for having engaged in the activity. It never did feel rewarding to do.
For the first time in the history of UA-cam, my algorithm feeds me something actually useful
I was just thinking that when I saw your comment
I don’t wanna say this but. It’s not the algorithm’s fault. It just noted that You’ve just been more into a particular type of stuffs. If you’re into anime and manga topics, you’ll see comments related to it at the top.
So if you want more meaning stuffs, subscribe and like those who produce those contents ONLY, don’t use too much time on the video you don’t have interest in.
@@Drawperfectcircles yea but you gotta find people who make these content somehow, that's when the algorithm comes into play
also, the algorithm is designed to keep you scrolling for as long as possible, which means its obviously gonna feed you meaningless dopamine-enducing content because that's what profits more, so it does have a fault, too.
@@Akathysia I think I should make a video on ‘how to actually find good content’. A lot of people don’t realize that the algorithm can be fed with insufficient or misleading information from the creators(a lot of times unknowingly). The algorithm even uses the thumbnail to classify videos.
And you’re right, the algo is made to keep you scrolling, but You really won’t be scrolling if don’t find anything interesting. Why would anyone keep scrolling when there is nothing more interesting to see. Just leave for a while, take a break… and then look specifically for the info you desire(good underrated content will automatically start appearing in your feed when you reopen the app)
made a whole video about drawing with ultra instinct on my secret UA-cam channel... thought I invented something but this concept is exactly what I was talking about😂
if I saw this video before, I'd probably have been more confident about what I was yammering about but at least I know I'm on the right track with my journey
Clearly this guy is an actual artist and understands the creative process of making and learning how to make art. Nice bit of knowledge here.
new art dad acquired what a cool dude
I have been drawing ever since i could hold a pencil and this dudes every word is exactly correct. Well worded to understand the process. Just do it no excuses. You WILL surprise yourself. Get out of your criticism of yourself and just get it done and judge it later. It really does suck when it doesnt turn out like you wanted but most of the time its better. I take years hiatuses because i want to create only absolute masterpieces. Dont do that. Just put lines to paper!
Holy fuck this is exactly how I feel when I draw. Like I’ve seen so many “here’s how YOU can get out of YOUR Artist block!” but this is so genuine and real that it’s unbelievable
I don’t think I’ve ever heard my own experience put so clearly into words.
This video is awakening my inner spark. I've had so much bad luck for years and sat on ideas I have been afraid to execute because they would never meet my expectations. But they NEVER will, because the hype builds in my head the longer I don't JUST MAKE IT!
YES!!!
The Flow state is the only state that releases the entire stack of the brain’s ‘Feel good’ neuro-chemicals. Only 10% of people regularly engage with this state. It’s great to encourage people to learn about and understand how to start their practice to enter into flow. There is a sweet spot where challenge meets the edge of your skill level this is a big contributor to the flow state.
Got a source on that 10% figure?
you’re right, becoming engaged in flow puts you in the present, alleviating depression (being in the past) and anxiety (being in the future).
i think that figure is a lot higher than 10%, i can’t imagine they surveyed enough artists to quantify it.
some steps to get there are turning your phone’s Do Not Disturb on, turn off any distractions (except music), stay off social media and stop reading this and close youtube
source: I MADE IT THE FUCK UP
(it's just a joke, not being mean)
Idk if that's true, but it is definitely a state where your awareness is prioritized over your consciousness, to do without thinking but being fully aware the whole time. Similar to meditation, but reached through participating in a skilled activity
Yesterday I had a discussion with my brother, who studied graphical art, about AI in art. And I was very surprised that he apparently thinks that using AI to speed up the entire process of creation on every level is a great thing. And then I listen to this interview and I can't shake the feeling that, maybe my brother, despite having a degree in this stuff, doesn't actually know what art is. A chilling thought when you think about the implications it might have for broader humanity.
It’s a difficult problem.
I understand wanting to use certain ai tools to do the tasks that we don’t want to do, but there is a line where it detracts from the creativity.
@@KristianNeeTV IMO AI leapfrogs TOO much of the creative process. I think non-artists maybe don't understand that the outcome is the result of all of the turmoil, decisions, and accidents - we're not just hitting copy-paste from our brains to a piece of paper. When all of the decisions are made for you, and you're presented with the final image, it completely deflates the process, and might curb the chance of anything new arising.
@@KristianNeeTV I think that line is reached when you use it for anything beyond the most mundane aspects of your art. He actually said that AI outputs often form the basis of his art from where he builds up. It means many of his works will only ever carry the essence of the smallest common denominator of our society (because that's what AI is trained to do) and he doesn't see that as a problem. I've recently seen many other artists who also don't seem to care about that. I find that baffling.
@@sterlingmorris2701 Absolutely. And it would be one thing, if only non-artists failed to understand that. But when artists fall into the same trap, I get the feeling that something is seriously wrong with people.
This quote I heard decades ago is quite telling of the difference between ai generated images and art:
My thumbprint on this 1000-year-old pot matches hers.
I really resonate with the message about loving what you do. For a long time I was so stressed by the process I forgot how to love the process. Overcoming that and rediscovering the love of the working process is what saved my art. Even on days when I feel my art isn’t up to par I ask myself “did I have fun?” And if the answer is yes then it was all worth it. Shoot for making the answer to that question a “yes” and you’ll be a happier and more fulfilled artist.
'a lot of self doubt when it comes to image making' dude.. I promise you that it transcends the realm of visual arts and seeps into music/sound as well.
Self doubt and creation are human
true but visual art is a bit different partially due to how "free" it is. many artists are self taught and or only get an official education later on in life and even then thats around 3 years which is hardly enough time to become a professional , artists have to have been learning way before and long after their art " education". with music or what particulary comes to mind is learning to play an instrument you have much more guidance , theres a way thats proven and used by many to learn for eg the piano while in art you are often just left to your own devices and have to figure out the "how to learn " process yourself. and then things like the grid method in art get popular and only encourage copying without understanding and pursuing this way of practice literally just wastes your time and you only learn to copy better without learning to create ( you will always be limited by your refrence) like theres so little info and guidance on the topic that traps like that exists in great numbers. anyways i do generally agree with your sentiment.
@@ceton1843 That's moreso about the disposition of the artist and not about the actual medium. Similar to music, there are a lot of proven methods and fundamentals to follow in visual art. I have no education in music whatsoever, and I've tried to make a song before. I felt so unbelievably lost because I didn't understand anything about notes or chords or... anything really? Compared to art though, I understand a lot more of the "rules" of art and I feel like I can create really great things because I can follow them. This is definitely not a bash against either medium, but I'm just saying that they are both the same when it comes to self-doubt and creation.
I dont think ive ever been truly happy about something ive drawn or painted. It'll get praise from people who ask to see it, but all i can see is small mistakes or wishing I went about it a different way. I'm sure this is a decent way to improve, more so than being complacent thinking everything i draw is gold.
This is why you befriend honest _artists_ for criticism. This can trick you and your viewers into thinking a drawing is good. The artists will tear you a new one for not connecting a line behind an object lol
I really needed this,
The hardest part for me right now is, "Will it all be worth it?"
enjoy the little moments and it will be.
You can strive for a goal but do work you enjoy, friend.
depends what “worth it” means. Do you value the entire journey or only what comes at the “end”?
@marselo1316 I guess I'm more worried about the journey. The end will take care of itself (edit: the end will be the result of the journey)
@@bloodyidit4506 cheers to that 🍻
if its what you truly want it most likely will. but don't measure your success based on others, do it for you.
perfect summary, literally the first 20 seconds of this video is so true, hitting the flow state is so hard to achieve half the time, I've had instances of flow state for hours and then the next day ill do a line and ill be like what the heck am I doing
this man is so lovely and inspirational. he brings me into closer contact with my younger self, who would, in the sixth grade, build epic styrofoam set pieces of alien worlds and different sci fi stories i had floating in my head. then i would track toward sculpting something. then i'd make a drawing. then a story. i wish i had parents that would have noticed i was designing things, like sets and characters and worlds, rather than just making shitty childish art pieces.
This is true for everything to tbh. As soon as I stopped caring everything became better, less negative emotions and your productivity shoots up because procrastion is actually the result of expectations and negative emotions you aren't aware of that are tied to the tasks and don't know how to manage.
Learning how to CHANGE your expectations and not focus on progress NOR outcome will help you achieve this.
I now draw and play instruments everyday not because I have to but because its a natural desire to, with 0 negative emotions or perfectionistic tendencies.
To learn how to do this, look into CBT, DBT, ACT.
CBT = Cognitive behavioral therapy
DBT= Dialectical Behavioural Therapy
ACT = Acceptance therapy
It's funny hearing him talk about music being a more immediate creative hit, and drawing being a longer term thing, because I feel exactly the opposite haha!
When I'm making a song it takes so long to write and get it perfect and then recording it is a long slow process. Whereas if I sit down to draw I have something in front of me in half an hour an hour that looks pretty cool and I get such a buzz 😁
Awesome content! I agree, art is about intuition, right brain thinking, going with the flow. Left brain thinking, planing, analizing during the flow destroys it. I tried to learn to draw and paint wrong way. You can't learn it, you have to FEEL it from the beginning. Then you improve your feeling with raising your estethic judgment when drawing. You can brake every rule but if it looks good it's good. And composition is "the one to rule them all" - visual interest that keeps the viewer in your image. I got District 9 artbook on my shelve. One and only, unique concept art, set standards for the industry.
I can vouch for the composition part often than not composition is actually in everything you draw, not only in landscape art, it is used for every form of visual art and everything you draw is basically an overlap of foundational skills and composition skills, I notice that my drawings get messed up when I’m thinking of the drawing being separated into “sections” especially when I’m drawing anatomy from Imagination. But if I imagine the drawing as being one whole piece then my intuition takes over and I can just float the image in my head and it just flows suddenly my forms look right. And this is why I say composition is crucial to achieving flow, if anything were to take up the conscious front mind it should be abstract composition, for me I utilize the principle of design for everything I draw (control paint has a good video on this). Thinking about big to small, thinking bigly = composition, thinking small= details and forms.
The challenge for me is getting past the inner critique. I always remind myself to just keep working and save the judgement for later.
The muse is ready and waiting, you just have to make yourself available to it. I love this. Great interview 👏
This is the best video I've seen in a long time, it's exactly what I needed right now. Gonna come back to it every time I doubt myself.
Same-
Fantastic perspective, I’d love for him to put out more talks. Bloody legend mate.
His ideas about drawing are perfect for guitar too. Like guitarists with his mindset make the most amazing things. There may be 'better' guitarists in terms of any aspect you can measure but if you take his attitude and apply it to guitar and just keep going and flowing you'll get there.
TRUST. THE. PROCESS.
From one artist to another, just keep going.
Evel Knievel's metaphor is so real, one of the best videos I have seen on creative process and art, I recommend Gilles Deleuze's lecture "the act of creation" if you want more.
More of a musician than a visual artist and what he says about reflecting upon what you've made and feeling like something other than yourself made it is crazy. I feel that all the time. Creativity is a brilliant ability to hone. Anyone feeling doubt with themselves please heed this man's advice and just start. Keep at it, and one day you're gonna be amazing, just like Greg!
28 mins of straight knowledge drops. Glad I scrolled far enough for this to be inserted into the feed. Easy subscribe. 🔥🔥
Same
Being an artist is being a part of the process of making art!!! The "process' is the major source of pleasure in being an artist1!! A.I. Generative Art will NEVER fulfill this experience!!!
Yeah I can't stand AI and art being used in the same sentence let alone a term. AI images are what it really is.
Finally, an artist that speaks to my heart. I agree with everything he said. On the new graphic novel I'm working on, EVERY PAGE I'm like, "I can't do this," and sweat and plow through anyway, and then the next morning I look at what I did and am like, "Did I do that?! I can't believe I actually did that." He's right, the only way to do it is just do it.
It's funny how this video was recommended to me today. Funny because month ago I had a huge breakthrough in my artist carrier, I just stopped caring. Now when I draw something I just draw, I don't overthink it, I don't judge the result, I just let my 8 years of drawing to do the thing. I've been learning how to fly for all this years and all this years instead of flying I though again and again how to do it better. Honestly just letting myself draw without caring felt liberating and I wish all artist would stop criticising their works so much. Just let yourself fly, people!
“Can’t make an echo that’s stronger than the original..”
Great statement! 💪🏽
Something that's interesting to me is that the feeling of "what the fuck are you doing you're going to die" in the middle is exactly the experience I have making original music. Especially with more instruments, doing a sketch of a song can be quick, but fleshing it out and polishing it takes days days, and most of the time I'm thinking this "sounds like crap, where am I even going God help me". Listening to this gave me a lot more confidence when I hit that stage.
2:22 This part's so real to me! I had some nasty art block for a few years, and managed to finally break out of it with hemp gummies. It's probably also the reason I like to create at night: there's that special space between being awake and asleep that blurs your thoughts enough to block the inner critic, and lets you slip into the flow state a little easier. Getting buzzed feels similar to me. Obviously, gotta consume responsibly, but it does very much help me break past that stuck point occasionally.
You mean THC gummies, not hemp. Hemp cannot get you buzzed in any sense of the word.
It's even harder to build self-confidence and a meticulous creative process in an era where most people can't tell the difference between human made artworks and AI prompted content. Kids starting out in the industry have to compete against an all-powerful enemy which can copy every move you make. Skill, trust and hope for a better tomorrow are being sacrificed on the altar of greed and instant gratification.
He mentions in the video you should have a reason for doing art; if that reason is just "for a career" then you will always feel this unsureness and that will hold you back. AI is inevitable but if that alone affects your reasoning for pursuing art then you might as well stop.
Or.... Find a better reason, do it for yourself maybe. It's rewarding watching your skill develop and become a master even if no one else will. Good luck
there's a line in the start of Ovid's metamorphoses "because a god moves my pen and my lips'' that reminds me alot of speaking of the muse as flow
this guy is 100% on the same train of thought as me artistically. what hes expressing is right on the money for people who lean more on the art side of concept art/design.
Drawing is a physical mechanical act you can get good at. Creating good ideas to draw will always be difficult.
I love Greg's work, especially the stuff he did for the King Kong remake!
I love the insights into this process. I paint miniatures, and I find that the world building, and character imagination, inner monologue and narrative helps with defining the colour palette and patterning choices. It helps you get into the flow, and know what to emphasize.
It's hard to know when you're done sometimes. I take pictures of the model periodically and try to view it that way. Otherwise you get "too close" to the piece and can't see what needs changing.
Thanks you Kristian for an awesome interview and thank you Greg for sharing some awesome tips!
I partly went through Russian academic art system (just college, no academy). And these problems of doubt and indecisiveness is what holds me back all the time. I actually feel great doing commission murals but not my own work, and this interview was really refreshing to hear. Kudos to both of you
"While doing the artwork, it's pretty much nonstop doubt." I used to be like that. Then I got "artist" in my job title and it eventually went away. Now, at worst. it feels like work. At best, it's the best.
This just made me pick the project I've been stuck on for months back up. Thanks for the motivation I needed
Sometimes stars align. Thank you for this.
This was a great interview! I so much related to pretty much everything Greg said! I was drawing at age 5 or 6, too. And not like the other kids in my class. I was driven just like the artist in me, now. I had to make it work, somehow. Anyway, thanks for this :) Even now, as a geezer artist at age 70, still it's good to hear other art folks talk about their motivation, process, all of it :)
Subbed. Why? This video is a no nonsense talk of the common issues artists at all levels face. It’s the journey, not the finished product or reward of success. It’s the hard hitting truth of trials we all face in the artist journey. No how to do art in 30 days and no tutorial that can only fathomed by those who have better understanding of all the art fundamentals.
What I understood here is how key our mental side is with regards to art learning and creation. Is it worth it to me? Is this my passion? If yes, then do it. Just F@*king Do It!
Kristin Nee thank you for doing this video and talking to Greg Beardmore and thank you Greg for saying it like it is and not how people want to hear it.
Loved this, I agree that when it really clicks you almost feel like you didn't draw it
There's a bunch of studies on the link between alcohol and creativity (and plenty of anecdotal evidence) that make it seem like having just enough to take the edge off improves creativity and problem solving by limbering up the mind. Obviously the big problem is that if you experience this firsthand and start doing it on a daily basis it takes more and more alcohol to get to the same point.
Great conversation that touches on so many of the issues a lot of us artists struggle with internally.
The beer advice is so jokes. 😂
But I do believe it actually works.
2 good beers and a buzz does wonders 😂
Puts you into a "idgaf" mood and have had good outcomes from it
"can't make a stronger echo" i like the analogy
FINALLY an honest interview! Love Greg!
Sometimes you just listen to something so resonating and validating, like he described my journey from day one to being a semi professional 4 years later, in well articulated thoughts that I could not describe myself. The woes, the inhibition, etc. It is a common theme but the way he described his thoughts felt uniquely similar to how I would tell it if I could like him. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Missed Greg, he hasn't aged a day! 💕
That evil kinevil metaphor hits home for me, I’ve noticed that feeling of panic doesn’t leave even after many years of drawing and painting. Really does feel like starting from square one every time
Profound conversation, loved the encouragment ofpushing through all doubt to strive forward. ❤🎉
i can understand every single vague concept he's describing, i think this video is for me.
06:39 ‘…you’ve just gotta trust the data, & the data is the things you feel’ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great interview. Thanks for sharing!
The quote Wayne Reynolds.
"My big secret is that I don't actually know what I'm doing."
the ''jumping the ramp'' analogy is really accurate. great talk.
Every artist ever, I love it. I'll be checking out his graphic novel it looks great.
Inspirational words. Thank you for this video.
Amazing artist ❤ Thank you ✨
Hearing Greg talk about flow feeling like it comes from somewhere else is incredibly validating. It feels like inhibitions, self doubt, ego, the masks we wear, it all stifles the artistic flow and expressing our true selves, regardless of artistic medium. I think our flow or muse, is just the real us peeking through, maybe that's why it feels like the really good shit, the art that we make that really speaks to us and feels like we could never replicate it, is just our true selves that we generally keep locked in a box to appease and fit in. Thanks for the video! This was incredibly helpful.
Loved the bike analogy and the way he explained flow state, very relatable stuff ❤
"If I did that it would be less true" that one hit for me.
Man, what a great interview. His analogy of drawing and Evel Knievel was spot on.
I always loved the Designs of those Guns they had such a futuristic feel lol. I was 11 when I saw District 12
Awesome! Stuff!
Thanks for sharing 💪🏽
Exactly what I needed to hear now!
This is exactly the advice I needed to hear. Thank you.
Lots of good advice here. Great interview honestly. So glad i stumbled across this, gonna try to apply some of his advice. You're a great interviewer btw !
It's neat how you can see the influence of Bill Waterson everywhere
"Some people may be thinking only of it as a career and therefore worry "will AI replace me?" or whatever... you are not necessarily doing it for the right reason. The right reason is that you love the thing"
Yes! This has been one of my main points of head-scratching whenever I see people who draw get alarmed by the advent of AI... If you love drawing, you don't have to stop, why stop? If you stop is maybe because you never loved it in the first place. For me it was the other way around; I felt a big calling towards traditional media after playing with Midjourney back in 2022. Digital drawing tools felt kind of obsolete after those moments with MJ, but pencils, paints and papers started to feel like vehicles for actual, physical representations of thought and emotion, and although I do both, I don't think I've ever been more in love with drawing that I am now.
Thanks for this great interview!
Take an inverted break occasionally. I don't mean stop but keep on temporarily with the piece (even sculpture) upside down or in a mirror.
I draw for my younger self try to keep the good/ bad out of it its done /not done I set myself into. Because 5 10 years ago I am the artist I wanted to be even if I'm not the artist I want to be today.
Thanks for sharing this conversation. I got a lot out of it.
Same concepts with creating most art ... when I try to create new music, I sometimes have a complete idea in my head, but once I start working and recording, a lot of it just goes out the window, and I often end up with a final product different than my original conception. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes not. You never know how it will actually come out.
What an incredibly intuitive guy. Great interview, editing and overall video
Subscribed, all the best brotha
Hell yeah, now I have a good excuse to have a couple of beers a night
Love the Musfuts!
glad to see this vid blow up Kristian! being at Weta must have been a total fucking blast
I watched a ton of motivation and analysis video for artist. Every video with the message: "trust the process" and "draw what you like" is a win! I can relate. Also I will maybe try alcohol for my next artblock... :D I hope it wont work tho. x)
5:58 that's what I struggle with- the deeper into my imagination I go the more I fear my work will be unrelatable.
awesome as always Kristian :)
Drink alcohol? This is just what I needed. I appreciate it bro .
That's a nice Righteous Bison you got there in the background
I appreciate this video a lot
“Fuck it we ball” i need to start and end my day like this
I think there's a backing track in the video that really keeps pulling me out of the interview while Greg talks.
Two beers, not getting drunk, two beers (one if youre tiny) is the elixir.
Most of my friends who write and draw meet up for a drink or two to get the flow state going.
Anything more is counterproductive
I need this attitude :)
wow great insight very well articulated
Hearing someone say my thoughts is a wild experience
Nice man, great to see this popping off
Loved this one! 🙌