23 Habits for Artists - Draftsmen S1E14
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- This is a good one... We go through and discuss a list of 23 important art habits that every artist should consider. A tattoo artist gets advice about composition and Marshall finally roasts me. Woo!
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Artists Mentioned in this video - Vincent van Gogh, JC Leyendecker, Howard Pyle, Claude Monet, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, Alphonse Mucha
Timecodes:
1. Draw From Life 9:40
2. Draw in your head 11:24
3. Become your own critic 13:15
4. Get information from multiple sources 15:11
5. Train like an athlete 16:24
6. Break big things into smaller things 19:42
7. Protect your most creative time 21:04
8. Go beyond the minimum requirements 21:40
9. Think like a kid 23:32
10. Research, research, research 29:24
11. Patience 32:45
12. Draw things you enjoy 34:41
13. Remix your inspiration 35:47
14. Share what you learn 36:04
15. Spend time with other artists 37:56
16. Say “No” 39:57
17. Say “yes” 41:25
18. Make ugly drawings 42:23
19. Exercise 46:45
20. Draw Daily 49:37
21. Finish what you start 49:50
22. Discipline 52:34
23. Master your calendar 55:10
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ABOUT DRAFTSMEN
Stan Prokopenko and Marshall Vandruff are art instructors. If you love the arts, particularly the craft of drawing and painting and image-making… and you want to level up your skills or even make a living with your skills, we are here to answer your questions. We’re here to offer you advice, refer you to our resources, share your love of the craft and maybe inspire you! Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff. Subscribe to the podcast at bit.ly/DraftsmenPod
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Instructional How to Draw videos for artists. My drawing lessons are approachable enough for beginners and detailed enough for advanced artists. My philosophy is to teach timeless concepts in an entertaining way. I believe that when you are having fun, you learn better. I take pride in producing high quality videos that you will enjoy watching and re-watching.
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Hosts - Stan Prokopenko (www.stanprokopenko.com), Marshall Vandruff (www.marshallart.com/)
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How would you revise this list of habits? Are there any art habits I left out that you would include?
1. Draw From Life 9:40
2. Draw in your head 11:24
3. Become your own critic 13:15
4. Get information from multiple sources 15:11
5. Train like an athlete 16:24
6. Break big things into smaller things 19:42
7. Protect your most creative time 21:04
8. Go beyond the minimum requirements 21:40
9. Think like a kid 23:32
10. Research, research, research 29:24
11. Patience 32:45
12. Draw things you enjoy 34:41
13. Remix your inspiration 35:47
14. Share what you learn 36:04
15. Spend time with other artists 37:56
16. Say “No” 39:57
17. Say “yes” 41:25
18. Make ugly drawings 42:23
19. Exercise 46:45
20. Draw Daily 49:37
21. Finish what you start 49:50
22. Discipline 52:34
23. Master your calendar 55:10
Proko 24. take breaks
We need subtitle please.
id group it all into 1 : "Draw every day" simply because it is impossible to forget, and in the effort to keep that up you tend to encounter a lot of the other points along the way.
Where can we send our questions if we're not from the USA? I'd love to send one and working for a mobile company I know LOTS of networks have high additional charges or bars that need to be lifted before you can contact the USA 😊
The 5 groups are sorta
Time management and discipline
Self care
(& social?)
Getting critical towards your process and rethinking your thinking (you have a lot of stuff in this group)
Motivation
(& sanity?)
And actual drawing advice
They can be sorted into 5 groups
1. Drawing Habits
Draw From Life
Draw in your head
Become your own critic
Draw things you enjoy
Remix your inspiration
Make ugly drawings
Draw Daily
Finish what you start
2.Practice Habits:
Get information from multiple sources
Research, research, research
Train like an athlete
Break big things into smaller things
Protect your most creative time
3. Work Habits:
Go beyond the minimum requirements
Say “No”
Say “yes”
Master your calendar
4. Mindsets:
Think like a kid (Be Creative thinker)
Patience
Exercise
Discipline
5. Be Social:
Share what you learn
Spend time with other artists
Eightieskid thank you!
Great sorting! May I propose my own take on this? :)
Just little tweaks with the "Finish...", and "Protect...", because I feel it belongs more to the "work" categories. I renamed the "practice" in "learning" habits.
And I added drawing from imagination because it is one of those moment when we apply what we learn.
1. Drawing Habits
Draw From Life
Draw in your head
(and from imagination)
Become your own critic
Draw things you enjoy
Remix your inspiration
Make ugly drawings
Draw Daily
2. Learning Habits:
Get information from multiple sources
Research, research, research
Train like an athlete
Break big things into smaller things
3. Work Habits:
Go beyond the minimum requirements
Say “No”
Say “yes”
Master your calendar
Protect your most creative time
Finish what you start
4. Mindsets:
Think like a kid (Be Creative thinker)
Patience
Exercise
Discipline
Actually there is many great books from authors who tried to define these stuffs, and it looks pretty like this. :)
I love "Steal Like An Artist", "Show Your Work!" and "Keep Goin" by Austin Kleon, for example. Also the 3 books by 99U are great ! #multiplesources ;)
You are a beautiful soul :)
So perfect, thanks a lot
"Truths come in contradictory pairs."
Great quote by Marshall.
1. "Truths come in contradictory pairs"
2. "No they don't"
Yup, actually wrote that down next to a doodle in my notebook.
It seems true though
If both are true, how can they contradict each other? I feel like this is ignoring context.
Well the truth is truths, sometimes, come in contradictory pairs. But that doesn’t sound as cool.
Hey guys, we love the long format of the podcast. Don't feel the need to go quickly even though the list is long. I like hearing you elaborate on the reasoning behind the tips, it helps me 'see' the point. Advice without context is just a sentence.
I actually listen several times each podcast while I'm working on my drawings and stuff...it's the cheapest option to absorve every second of pure knowledge and art related data that you guys provide on every chapter. I also take notes and screenshots of the books you recomend. I'm literaly taking this podcasts as free art lessons! Saludos desde Argentina!!
estoy haciendo lo mismo jajaja
@@elfynde8863 x3 HAHAHA que onda nos pasamos los intagrams para apoyar al talento latino? xd
Sameeee
I download so i can listen in loop. But, when i can i also click on the Thank$ to support their teaching on UA-cam. ❤
My favorite habit is for procrastinators, called "the ten minute try" force yourself to work for ten minutes, if you're still not into doing it~ then give it up for now but, almost all the time you will go for a longer period of time. Marshall's advice for the aspiring tattoo artist was great (Having been one for 20+yrs) and another piece of advice I may add is to study how the art changes over the course of time. I love this podcast and look forward to it every week!
That's a great tip, thank you.
Thanks I needed this
Marshall, I'm glad you said yes to the podcast.
I would do 4 categories:
1) experiment and learn {draw in your head, train like an athlete, ugly drawings, draw daily, say yes, draw from life, think like a kid}
2) stay motivated {draw things you like, remix inspiration, patience, multiple resources,break big things smaller}
3) set your standards {go beyond minimum requirements, discipline, finish what you start, master calendar, say no}
4) don’t become isolated {share your learning, spend time with artists, exercise}
24:02 "think, quick fast!"
He thought too fast
I've become completely addicted to this show. In regards to this episode I wanted to share something a painting teacher said to our class many years ago (this is in regards to the 'make ugly drawings' habit). Alex Martin said, "No one in this room is going to make a masterpiece. Myself included. So get that out of your head. Get it out of your head and just paint. Once you realize that nothing - NOTHING- you do in this class will be great, you will open yourself up and be able to grow. And that's when masterpieces can happen."
Also, thank you so much for doing this show.
I feel so blessed to be an artist in this time in history when so much knowledge is so easily available. I grew up in an era when I'd be lucky to catch a bob ross episode .
I would summarize them into three:
- Discipline: includes sticking to your goals and having patience, as well as having the rest of your life under control;
- Conscious decisions: mindful practice, researching the subject, taking or refusing jobs. seeing projects through;
- Remember your goals: this one speaks for itself. Keep them always in mind and prioritize them.
Totally agree! I wrote a article about this: www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-military-made-me-stronger-artist-stuart-moss
I'm going through depression... But thanks to listening to this Ive being able to cope. Thanks Marshal and Stan.
This is probably the tenth time I've listened to this episode alone. Just thought I'd let you guys know how valuable and timeless your content is 💯💪🤓
Thank you!
"Do not believe everything you read on the internet."
- Abraham Lincoln
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AHHH THE LEYENDECKER IMAGE AS THE TITLECARD
perfect! Your videos/podcast have been very motivating and encouraging, thank you so much for experimenting with this format!
Guys, most ppl are struggling to get enough content together and avoid silences, yet you tried to blast through all 23 habits. Each of those 23 could provide an entire episode of elaboration along with conversational tangents.
49:32 when I study anatomy I alternatively watch Proko and Athlean X and lift weights. One hand washes the other and since doing so I’ve gotten way stronger and more flexible while at the same time getting 100% better at drawing anatomy
"Dragging audio cable" Sir I know a bong hit when I hear one
uheuaheu yup
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Man you are certainly a person I really really appreciate. For everything incredible I have learned from watching and listening to you in your videos. Which have all equally resulted to be fantastic for any pursuiting artist. Thank you for demonstrating all of these skills and techniques. TY TY TY
One thing I might add is trying different artistic disciplines. If you're any type of 2D-artist try doing some sculpting on the side. You'll have to figure out how muscles look from every angle instead of just the one you're drawing.
Another thing I'd suggest is learning some rudimentary 3D rendering techniques and terms. It's really great when you get to see how stuff like ambient occlusion, subsurface scattering, and specularity affect your scene/object without having to focus on your craftsmanship as a painter/drawer. You'll also have new words for some of the things you'll observe when you're drawing from reference or imagination later!
I can't tell you how happy it made me that you guys enjoyed draftsmail. Thoroughly enjoying the podcast, been drawing more as a result of the motivation gained from these shows.
Awe I love you guys, watching these videos actually lightens my day and makes me feel less pressure about being an artist.
This is one of the most authentic dialogues between an educator and an entrepreneur. It is as clear as a mirror. One can see himself and relate to the points discussed in this podcast. Hopefully they will find a way to promote this to a larger audience. Thank you!
you guys are so much fun to watch. Thanks for all of the positive energy, it really brightens my day.
Keep it awkward. More entertaining. Gives similar vibes to Norm’s podcast.
It makes it feel a bit more attainable and approachable, like these amazing artists who are now teaching others are just weird goofballs. They're not the sort of people that you have to lose all your childish tendencies to count yourself among them.
I wish they didn't limit their time. I love listening to this podcast and could listen to it for hours. Plus I think most people draw while listening to it, it absolutely flies by.
I very much appreciate this videos, I don't mind you going over an hour, don't set timers.
Also that quote at 34:36 is *so good* it cracked me up i'm still in tears
I love Marshall sm. Y'all give me so much life. Thanks for being y'all
Just wanted to say I love this series of podcasts. You guys help me to keep going
boom! 43:31 Marshall's "messy drawing" of kangaroo is lightyear better than Stan's fetus
Hi, Stan and Marshall, I love your podcast!
I have sorted the list into 3 categories:
*Stay Motivated:*
1. Draw things you enjoy
2. Make ugly drawings
3. Get information from multiple sources
4. Think like a kid (out of the box)
5. Patience
6. Share what you’ve learnt
7. Spend time with other artists
*Do the homework:*
1. Draw daily
2. Draw from life
3. Draw in your head
4. Train like an athlete
5. Break big things into smaller things
6. Exercise (mens sana in corpore sano)
7. Remix your inspiration
8. Go beyond the minimum requirements
*Have your own projects:*
1. Master your calendar (set goals and make a weekly analysis)
2. Protect your most creative time
3. Discipline
4. Say “No” to some projects (remember you goals)
5. Say “yes” to experimentation and challenges
6. Research, research, research
7. Finish what you start
8. Become your own best critic
I hope you find it useful.
Thank you for the podcast and the good advice.
Damn i have most energy and creativity during 00-04 AM. Guess i'm embracing vampire lifestyle
Thats that alpha brain wave state.
Hey I was thinking about the voicemail from this week about drawing on a curve surface, a good exercise I trought was to draw in a piece of wood, like a hashi (something bigger would be better), which has cylindrical shape, it may seen difficult to draw on a piece of wood but it's not really that hard, you could look for a cylindrical chair's leg, a vase or a bowl and just erase the drawing aftewards, if you only have one piece, try to get a piece without varnish otherwise it would be a bit difficult to draw into it (at least in my litle experience). Another option is to make a drawing on a paper and attached to a round surface, so you can see how it would look or even draw on the paper instead of the wood. You can go even further, like grabbing a piece of thick cloth and wraping around this round surface to simulate the given of skin. Or even, paperboard box. I hope I was of some help. Great podcast by the way, it's realy fun, just as Marshall's `THING`, it gives the desire to watch again and again and forever on. Thanks for the content.
I love the awkward intros
Proko, I fell in love with you the moment you said the word "scrum". I learned agile methodology while working as a UX designer at an e-commerce company, but it's application would be incredible for artists. I am currently working on applying it in my own practice!!
The best podcast for painting. Inspiring, instructor, and funny. Better than listen to music, that I like, but distract me! I can't believe that I just find out this now! Thanks! You are great!
Wow, thank you!
I love your podcast. You guys crack me up and inspire me to improve my skills.
Powered through every delicious minute of this video and all I can remember is "scrum"
P.S. Like Marshall, I reread books over and over. I find new things everytime and get into certain mindsets that I thought I've forgotten. It's fun.
Love the podcasts please continue to do these
Hi Stan and Marshall. You asked for a possible organization of your habits:
A) Creativity and Exploring other Directions (Get out of your comfortable and get a different perspective for the purpose of advancing):
4 Get information from multiple sources 15:11
9. Think like a kid 23:32
10. Research, research, research 29:24
13. Remix your inspiration 35:47
18. Make ugly drawings 42:23
B) Skill Development:
1. Draw From Life 9:40
2. Draw in your head 11:24
5. Train like an athlete 16:24
12. Draw things you enjoy 34:41
14. Share what you learn 36:04
20. Draw Daily 49:37
C) Improve using Feedback:
3. Become your own critic 13:15
15. Spend time with other artists 37:56
D) Stand out from the Crowd (Your work and art styles):
8. Go beyond the minimum requirements 21:40
6. Break big things into smaller things 19:42
7. Protect your most creative time 21:04
14. Share what you learn 36:04
F) Become Effective (doing what needs to be done using the least resources) Not just Efficient (doing things using the least resources). Make sure you are doing what gets you to your goal:
11. Patience 32:45
16. Say “No” 39:57
17. Say “yes” 41:25
19. Exercise 46:45
21. Finish what you start 49:50
22. Discipline 52:34
23. Master your calendar 55:10
good!
Don't allow your mother to critique your art. lol They always will tell you its beautiful. My mother does and I know I'm not very good but like to draw and I'm okay with that.
Thank you. Made me wish that I artist friends! I love the two of you - complimenting contrasting each other.
Oh my, thank you so much for this video, this is just what I needed
Train like an athlete ! Is this Jeff Cavaliere's Channel ?
Face pulls after every drawing session.
Drawing is killing your gains!
23:51 omg Marshall commenting on the trash truck noises, what a hilarious precursor to the trash truck noises at his house during all the covid videos
Marshall was reading my mind. Please have a full episode on training. I feel I now know how to train like a basketball player. Thanks Stan. But as a self training artist, I do feel confused sometimes if I am doing it right or can do it better.
Oh my God the comment about Ray Bradbury. One of my favorite authors and it was a nice surprise to hear Marshall casually mentioning this detail about him. Love this podcast.
The intro banter is entertaining.. "Home is where the fart is."
This was such a good episode for me. Two points hit me hard. #2, Draw In Your Head. I love this. I do this all the time, and it's such an important part of my process. And #21, Finish What You Start. Stan hit the nail on the head with this. I get really excited about big new projects, then burn out halfway through. Doesn't happen often, but anytime I fail to deliver on a promise, it stings. I need to make my promises more realistic and commit to their completion.
Clicked so fast the only quality available was 360p.
2 hours later its still just 360p
same
what the heck youtube? I have never seen quality restricitions!
That was a great podcast to listen to while drawing, i'm waiting for more ^^
one thing i want to add to the voicemail, ive seen tattoo artists practice on fruits/veggies so you can practice tattooing on a curved surface. you probably dont need a tattoo machine to do this, you can probably carve, ink, draw, etc on it to practice on a curved surface, really useful stuff.
I think the list should have at least 5 more habits... But seriously I am so grateful that your channel is out there and I love the Draftsman series.. THANK YOU!!! ( Excellent for binge watching )
Nice haircut, Stan! Looking good, guy! 👌Chillaxin with my favorite podcast, been drawing while I do errands today, so I'm all warmed up.
I really LOVE these podcasts!
Around the 50 min mark, I really related to Marshal talking about doing 80 hour drawings and having someone tell me that I'm basically insane.
My favorite medium is pen and ink, and I have on numerous occasions turned a doodle into a 4 month drawing made up of stippling and cross hatching. I would become so invested in these projects that I wouldn't want to let them go because I was afraid of having to start something new.
For this reason my mentor has had me working with graphite more which has been really freeing and although I still get lost in rendering, I finish my drawings in about 2 weeks now and can move on more freely
i love this episode .. sooo useful.. waiting for more!
This is the best podcast ever, thanks to Marshall!
i love this podcast sm :DD
Thank you for posting . Thank you for your excellent videos / which provide me with great information , encouriging , motivating me . Thanks for sharing .
Thanks for these videos guys 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Success is for me to switch my brain in some kind of automatic while drawing. Im so deep into it while drawing, that kind of mental state is my success. If other ppl like my sketches, i feel good but not more or less successful.
Like this! Great mental health habits to keep from getting stuck. Thanks! Alyhough I had to break this into segments its worth a repeat to get more out of it.
I love proko and this draftsmen series so much. It’s a pity I can only subscribe this channel and like this video only one time!!!
Great content and insight...I was taking notes! Thanks so much for posting! : )
I really enjoy listening to the podcast.
Marshall is awesome
Like a wise old sage
Love these podcast
"Flip canvas horizontal"
Omg yes
@@nomeda6000 I definitely agree with both of you :D
Good one!
Best channel on UA-cam.
I actually listen to these podcasts multiple times.
Hey Stan great episode ! Cant wait for the next one.
I wonder if you could do one podcast on Nr.21. "Finish what you started" or how to use your creative energy wisely. I feel that this is a very interesting topic to talk about what you can do to manipulate yourself, to use your creative energy more efficient. When you guys where talking about why starting on this or starting on something without commitment. I persoanlly have this habit because when I started out I was generating ideas in my sketchbook on a daily basis just to have them in storage, but ! here comes the pitfall when it comes to finish things I have started it gets difficult. Usually the energy at the beginning is very high and I know I have the time frame from 1-1,30 hours but then it dropped very quick. Do you have any tips. Thanks a lot to you guys I really enjoy the episodes while working !!! Keep those up !! Best regards János
ok am not japanese but am 100% sure, as was stated by a japanese on youtube addressing this point, that slurping noodles is just the way japanese ppl eat noodles and it's not out of respect. he mentioned that it makes the noodles taste better and because it's often hot so it's easier to eat.
channel: Rachel and Jun. Video: "25 weird things about Japan. True or False? "
I love this podcast 🌸
An HOUR of Marshall and Stan giving advice? Is this paradise?
This episode is great!
you’re an inspiration marshal
“Grind it into a pile of silver” hahaha marshal your the man!
I'm saving your quote Marshall
"Truths come in contradictory pairs"
Best episode
I miss these two together talking about art. Please come back together!
YES TO EXERCISING TO GET BETTER AT ANATOMY. Helped me tremendously; not only can u feel and see the muscle on yourself but also if you r researching stuff about it looking to incorporate more new things in your routine you get even more visual info while trying to get any new exercise exactly right the first few times.
Bending down for your shoe, Proko? That was still Crossfit. They set you up to fail physically by pushing you to do exercises that your body wasn't ready for. Then an innocent little action? Pow! Right in the kisser! I think that set up is somewhere on your list, too.
Remember that practice makes permanent, not perfect. If you practice badly, you'll learn badly.
I did not expect to hear about Scrum in a draftmen episode!
"Take breaks"
I don't know about 6, when it comes to actual drawing, some of my art friends are real good at zooming in on the small things - but when it comes to managing a project then yes, absolutely.
And uh, as someone who has worked in production... I don't know about going beyond minimum requirements - make sure you keep your deadline.
Take breaks a great one!
I want to know more about the "Liberace" sequence! Haha great video guys as always!
I don't know much but I think it's tied to the rhinestone ratio
Agile methodology is great and could even be applied to personal activities. The nice thing is that one can always adapt it to ones own needs. For aboard, I use Trello (it's free, I know it's "kanban style" but you mold it as you wish) and keeps things organized. You can even share boards with clients and make up your own columns so that they know what you are up to without wasting emails of "are you done yet?". :)
Thanks for a great podcast, that's really entertaining. I could not believe this: 😂 Scrum has reached the art world. In IT it's a very popular framework. I think ideas from Scrum can work for class settings and personal planning too. I would love to hear if and how Marshall has made us of it.
Oh my god 37:30 cracked me up hard. "No, take it back, marshal" LMAO
Loving the editing, Charlie! Had a good laugh
Woo i'm excited to listen to this one
I think I draw more in my head than actually draw hahahaha. I can just look 15 minutes at a glass and look just how the shadows fall and where the light reflects and how I would draw or paint them, meanwhile my mom is looking very concerned because I’ve been staring at my tea for so long.
U senpais kinda blew my mind w/ that list. b/c 90% of those lessons are useful for Life in general.
This is my second time I go from E01 through all episodes. Repetition indeed... same with the tutorials, doesnt hurt to go back to basics and remind yourself where skills came from...
Sometimes I cant even remember what was in the video but it gets me Drawing. Sorry but thanks
Awesome discussion by masters!
So Marshall, I'm not a huge scrum person but here's kinda how I break it down. I've seen it mostly through software development in an effort to keep things flexible in the face of shifting priorities and requirements. The idea I've heard is to scope your tasks in a 2 week sprint (as Stan called it), around something that will be visible output, so that you can reflect & review it (with the rest of the team and any external people), in the same way you were talking about the schedule. The daily cadence is around having the meetings that he didn't get around to discussing, where you talk about what you've made progress on and what's holding you up so that you can figure out how to help other people move along and keep the teamwork flowing.
Maybe that'll help, maybe other's'll disagree.
"Shut up, Charlie" 😂