StarCraft History: This Match Had Jaedong SWEATING
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Jaedong sweating in a t shirt. Chad protoss stork in a huge jacket trying to stay warm.
Yeah I found that hilarious, too.
I believe that's because protoss players are the coolest
Your sporadic commentary and introspection combined with Korean commentator and crowd audio is actually really nice
Really enjoying these history videos. There are tons of great old games, and this is an awesome way to share some of those really cool moments with the community.
Jaedong's ZvZ was probably the most dominant anyone has ever been at a matchup , completely insane stats. Hundreds of pro players are practicing all day in a 1v1 game and he's winning like 80% of his ZvZs for most of 2009, 70% lifetime. JvZ
didn't flash have a 10 or so year run of 100% winrate in some matchups?
i think that was tvp in bo3 or bo5@@moonasha
so like avg flash winrate
I think Rain's PvP is probably the most dominant anyone has ever been at a matchup. It's a bit difficult to be more dominant than a guy who is basically unbeatable but Jaedong's ZvZ was really not that far off
@@moonashathat was Flash in bo5 and bo7 but not bo1 or bo3.
34:14 Jaedongs hair actually visibly wet at this point. jesus christ. he fought like a true warrior
Really love this type of content Tasteless . Old SC games that are STILL epic today and the stories of how SC got to where it is now really brings me back. Keep up the good work bro!
I remember this game back then. That was one of the reasons why Stork was my favorite player. Idk why you talk about him like he wasn’t as important. Guy won an OSL and also finished second many times in both OSL and MSL. Guy is a legend. Only frustrating about being a Stork fan was he choked a lot of times but then he got some insane games like this. One of my favorite games was Stork vs GGPlay @ Andromeda that was epic also.
Oh yeah, that went for like 1-2 hrs right?
@@inguh7041 yea pretty much all the units used lol
Stork ggplay was so amazing. This match and map were both amazing. So many good games on match point.
That was one of the most insane games I've ever seen. I really enjoyed you talking through it and giving now and then perspective. Keep up the good work tasteless!
One of my favourite games ever. An absolutely beautiful slugfest. True classic.
One of mine is Effort vs Bisu on Medusa during some starleague in 2009, non stop action
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The whole OWL concept was just baffling. You had all these teams with no obvious connections to the cities they were supposedly representing.
I wanted to take voice in "you need sponsors" to have games.
Because once - I have some (minor) background. Not SC/SC2 in a direct way - it's gonna be about boardgames.
So I run a series of a board game tournament in a small european capital city (2M+ citizens). Main publisher is in US, local is in our country.
And even thou we (me + my buddy) run 95% of everything - it is still this 5% of support that helps a f#!@ lot!
There's this one dude on publishers side who is siding with the community in a quite big corporation that treats our title as a marginal product. And we can be angry at publisher or... be happy that they provide what they can. Simple thing: you suddenly need a lot of boardgames if you want to run a set of parallel matches, you need big, small and participation prizes. Even if publisher sucks at marketing - it's something.
And there's the community - we are quite known in worldwide community. So anytime we win something online - guys from other places send us some additionall stuff to share with local community.
Sure my experience is not something to compare with gsl,asl or iem and other.
But on any scale - doing anything alone is hard and once you hit the wall it's difficult to tackle. But once you have an ally - 1st you don't want to disappoint (on a business level there's more obligations naturally), 2nd you can share your difficulty and think about it together.
As for SC & SC2 - as long no party pushes their money to change balance - do it. Place a banner wherever so our hobbies - being it playing or just watching live longer!
Pro Starcraft BW is my favorite anime!
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Watched this game live back in college with my friends. It was 345am if I remember correctly because we were on pacific time, and the games started at 12.
You literally had no idea who was going to win until the last couple minutes. It was absolutely crazy.
Protoss I think has historically won these very long, drawn out maxed out resource games vs zerg because of the ability to max psionic storm energy and then make archons. Reavers too.
Late game Zerg will typically win as you’ll just go around the map killing expos with cracklings and wearing down the toss with defilers. But maxed out resource games favor the toss from what I’ve seen.
I think Artosis described ZvZ as tending to go towards the more aggressive player, which was why Jaedong had such success, but slower, defensive play let Protoss do better, which seems to be Jaedong's weakness, he tries to brute force his way past defenses over and over.
Jaedong's Charisma: "What I'm thinking when I'm playing is starcraft 'RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE...'"
Man I love tastosis and been following SC1 since I am a young boy, since SC1 launch. Great channel tasteless and I really love this series: I remember the PimpestPlays series WELL, so GOSU! I think maybe the STOP LURKER was in one of the PP compilation videos maybe?!
Pimpest plays compilations were the GOAT!
I remember watching this content back in highschool. Pretty cool to see this stuff again.
On this style of "cast". I really like the laid back conversation. I never followed BW and here i get to learn interesting history while watching nail-biting games
i remember reading that jaedong would purposely dress warm and or keep the booth warm as well to keep up circulation. i could be mistaken about that
What about Nada, he was a legend and a Bonjwa. Would love to see some History about him.
And that map was terrible for Protoss. Worst 3rd with no gas… and super far away 4th bases almost impossible to defend plus the narrow choke between main and 2nd. Even though I remember that game I still thought Stork lost that game as I believe I remember him losing at this map a few times horribly. Still this one was a super come back. Thanks for posting
the lurker hold was figured out right after the bug with s h l &click as units get zergling features. I remeber being kicked out of from the computer hall at 2am, then walking 2km in the snow to my home few days before 2000s eve, for doing adrenal guardians
The intensity! And the self-control by Stork no not over-extend... amazing!
With how the map looks like in regards to bases at 12 and 6, I'm really surprised Jaedong never opted to go for just a few guardians.
sc2 beta was out in 2009-2010, SC2 officially came out in july 2010.
omg he was sweating.....he was also blinking that match and breathing also can you imagine....
More history videos like this please! Its fascinating
These are great! On a side note, can we do that Mini ASL win where he pulled Scouts out of pocket
Love the content going over old-school BW vods!
Oh man I saw Jaedong Stork and I thought this was gonna be one of my favourite matches - JD vs Stork on Katrina from 2007 OSL. I'm a big JD fanboy and a bit biased of course :). My memory of this one is a bit hazy - I probably watched all of Winner's League proleague back in the day though? I'm about 10 mins into the 40 and don't recall it, but have a feeling this will be an epic game given the length :)
God this game was so nuts. As a major Stork fan boy it's great to see him stay in this game and drag it out as long as possible to squeeze out a win.
Love these history videos!!
great video style bro, enjoyed it ! hope to see more of this, it's great to know trivia about things in Korea etc, while watching the game. also, Jaedong is a beast, i'll never forget a WCG match i think he had also with Stork, maybe 2009, not sure, that he was just unstoppable! thanks for this Tasteless, cheers
I never followed BW closely but when i was starting to get interested in it, this was a recent match and it showed to me how epic macro games can be and made me a fan of Stork. Jaedong sweating is part of what made Esports/BW look so cool and "legit" to me. I had thought it was kinda normal but now watching this video and thinking back, sweating is definitely not normal LOL.
I agree with Tasteless, great observing and great job catching the drama and knowing when to focus on Jaedong's cam or not, and not missing moments. It's cool going back to see this game covered, I guess it really was that cool of a match and not just some random match that I happened to come across.
Man I jove these series please don't stop. Even if you have new content. Please fit one of these here and there. I think the watchtime on videos like this should tell you a lot. Btw next I suggest reacting to "Jin Air OSL Fantasy vs JangBi". this was peak Starcraft BW in my humble opinion.
Keep these classic videos coming love these mini documentary style videos
really interesting discussion, thanks for the vod tasteless
Man Stork was my fav player, I remember watching him win his first WCG. I used to try and copy all of his builds.. Stork was the king of second place.
nitter dead :(
I would like a video on the hybrid Proleague. When you think about it, it was a really neat idea.
this game was WILD!
Funny how this 'modern era' was kind of frozen in time. Good for the pros that have been able to play for 10-15 years I guess.
Lurker fact: you can attack A click on an emeny building while your lurkers are burrowed. They wont attack anythihg that walks by unless u make them
I think the issue with sports was trying to emulate monolithic systems like Dota2 or LOL. The thing was those games essentially had a player base at release to monetize. Dumping a ton of money into SC2 OW or Hearthstone with the expectation of making TI money or LOL sponsor involvement is such a longshot. Only starcraft/wc had an existing scene and a tiny niche really. All they achieved was wasting the last goodwill Blizzard had.
my favorite history ❤ do em all hots forever oov themarine xellos nada! legendzz do more do more ^^ ty!
do another video like this, the commentary was rad.
Loving this series. Just watched this game last week haha!
the players then and now cant be compared. the things the players then figured out are used to day and people say "oh thats just standard play now"...yes because the players back then figured it out and standardized it. in general you look at apm which is the only thing most players have going for them and its the same then and now. if you put a player from today in back then you would get the same result, they would play the builds that exist to their best ability while waiting for the very few players who innovate and or refine builds to do so and then they would pick that up and play it to the best of their ability
Was that the Pocari SWEAT dripping of his chin? Is this where Flash got his powers? 😮
Plot twist: stork didnt have jaedong sweating it was just hot in the room.
Love the format, it's more like a lecture, but its Starcraft so it's not boring :P
really enjoying this type of content, Tasteless. Keep it coming!
10:32 this is why people compare SC to chess. Standing on the backs of giants frfr
Great vid, keep the history vids coming, love to see you talk over these BW games. Peace
Sick game. It was probably hot as FOOK in that booth & that's why he was sweating so much. Feel for the other guy having to have that thick ass jacket on the whole time lol
Cant speak for those booths, but at least in the west back in the day game booths were notoriously badly ventilated, you had like a garbo fan at best just circulating hot air
that could have been the highest kill count via storm ever. the storms were insane. i think what zergs learned in all this time is to play slower and use more guerilla tactics to kill templars
@tasteless this is spam plz remove
To be honest. Some of the original graphics are better than the remastered stuff. I liked the green unit/HP drawings more, looked cooler. Also, zealots dying animation.
I know relatively neither player is as strong as they once were but pretty consistently getting into the ASL is really ridiculous
BAR, beyond all reason, is the remade TA, total annihilation. The game is a beautiful ancestor to Broodwar that features 2 slightly differing races. It's a hard watch as it allows one to zoom out almost mapwide, much unlike the original game or BW. And the unit differentiation is way less as everything is mechanical in nature. Still, love love the game :)
Are there any famous old draws? I've never seen it happen
these videos your posting up is awesome! These are awesome pieces of history of bw!
RAISE YOUR DONGERS
thanks dude. has anyone found any games online of January's games and other lesser known pro girls?
Cool, judt donated to Trumps Campaign while watching Tastless tell tales of historic starcraft.
Love the content. U are a legend.
Thanks.
LEGEND!!
Flash vs upmagic man
they had longer hair cuz they were kids, lol, now they can't do it
Love this content!
you're my cheese
can you pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaase do FBH vs Raiden
Please quit the current day hype lmfao. The previous players were better, especially under the awful KESPA team's conditions. The meta wasn't as advanced as it is now, but players were playing to their maximum potential far above what we see nowadays. Not only were they mechanically superior on average, but they understood the meta they played in better and made far less mistakes dealing with meta tactics.
pretty sure that no protoss back then could do anything close to snow's reaver micro.
APM numbers from back then and today seem to suggest that mechanics have advanced too.
You should double check that APM stat you're citing because you're flat wrong. Also not sure if you know, but flat APM is useless you can spam 800 and get nothing of value done. And while you're citing Snow's reaver micro I'll offer you Boxer's dropship micro? Just because it wasn't a tactic used in the same fashion doesn't mean they couldn't have done it. It is like when pros learned about muta stack and muta micro, did those pros who didn't know that before not learn it? Meanwhile the practice was far more rigid and through they the knowledge of the entire meta was executed on a far more perfect level than it is nowadays. @@florianschulz3027
Teamhouses allowed them to perfect game strategy and sniping player.
But mechanically, now with better framerate monitors and pc and equipment, the mechanics are stronger now.
Back then, they were playing with 60fps CRT monitors.
Team houses were idea for creating peak performance, mechanically and strategy for sure.
Newer hardware and framerates don't matter for a game like broodwar, nor did it suddenly change the mechanics of how you actually played the game. This isn't a shooter game. If you push F2 and your screen snapped to that location, that information was instantly there.
Some players still play at near perfect levels, but the overall challenge from the lower end is far less because they're not as good as the players back then who had to perfect everything. They had to practice all the time, so they knew the meta, mechanics, and strategy far better for that meta compared to those who know this one. @@yrag89
Nah.