Other movies are so bad, they kill the franchise. Dragon Ball Evolution is so bad, it went full circle and revived the franchise. It was so bad, the original creator felt the need to come out of retirement to show how it is done.
So in a way, we should give thanks to just that ONE thing. Thanks Dragonball Evolution, for being so shit, we got Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, and Dragon Ball Super.
Actually, Battle Of Gods was already in development but after DBE, Toriyama decided to get involved again and that's how we ended up with Beerus and Whis. Beerus is based on his cat actually! During DBE's development Toriyama did try to give notes on how to do the franchise justice. It was ignored. Justin Chadwin actually sat down and read ALL of DB and DBZ in preparation for the role and was sad when the film ended using none of it which is sad because Toriyama is actually a big fan of western sci-fi movies like The Terminator and Star Wars so it must've been crushing. So in a weird way, we kinda owe DBE for jumpstarting the franchise again.
@@xxGamerX-cc2ho Yeah, no it isn't. It's flawed in areas and pointless within its the first, two seasons for poorly adapting movies (BoG & Resurrection: F), but still good overall.
I've heard people call Dragon Ball Evolution bad fanfiction before, but I disagree. That would be an insult to bad fanfiction, because at least bad fanfiction is written by people who actually like Dragon Ball.
Even if bad fanfiction is cringy as fuck. It at least has some semblance of the original source material. It was at least written by someone who has enough love for the series that they want to tell a story with those characters.
@@hannyboop I'm convinced the writer of My Immortal is actually the smartest troll in existence and has managed to fool everyone into thinking it's a honest fanfic and not a social experiment.
Fun fact: When Akira Toriyama offered advice for the script, the execs rebuked him, saying that 'They could do it better'. After the movie came out, Toriyama was so infuriated by it that he started writing Dragon Ball again. And thus, Super was born
*When Akira Toriyama offered advice for the script, the execs rebuked him, saying that 'They could do it better'* ^No wonder the film was utter crap. You don't ever tell the creator you can do it better, the film adaptation is your permission to even take the man's creation and try and adapt it for the big screen. Its no wonder movies with no care or thought put into them flounder and turn out to be a complete waste of time to begin with!
I also heard that when Justin Chatwin was casted as Goku, he read all of the original dragon ball and dragon ball z manga. And he was excited to see those elements be used in the movie. But, like all of us, he was disappointed that none of it was used. Atleast that’s what I heard from a comment in this comment section, is it really true?
I'm so glad that James Marsters got to officially be in the DB universe by voicing Zamasu in the English dub. He loves Dragon Ball and he tried so hard to at least make Piccolo accurate in this pile of shit disguised as a movie.
That is pretty cool, that makes me think of when the actress who was live action Princess Yue in a trash adaption of another beloved series got to voice Asami.
Holy shit, Dresden voices Zamasu? I actually didn't pick up on that, but looking back on it it's obvious. (James Marsters reads the Dresden Files audiobooks)
"Man this is worse than that time when I was in high school. And all the guys called me Geeko, and I was Piccolo's slave, I couldn't get Chi-Chi to like me and- oh wow, I hit that rock harder than I thought."
It was common thoughts on fanboys ie well they will pay to see it no matter what so lets change it so people that wouldnt see it will come and we got this lol
@@RYMAN1321 last air bender you cant unlink the movie from teh content while with dragonball if they renamed it something else it would have been a so so c class scifi movie which it is only when you attach dragonball to it does it become a total failure
Lol "arcs." The people who made this movie have admitted that it was a shameless cash-grab, I don't think most of them watched DBZ or even know what an arc is.
The absence of Krillin was an obvious clue to me that they literally had no idea what even is a Dragon Ball and were just using some kind of Mad Lib template to write it. Later I learned that the guy who apologized for writing the movie only wrote a very early draft, which was not great but a lot better and more interesting than what actually got filmed (I think it did have Krillin).
"Coming soon, from the people who brought you Dragon Ball Evolution: Meet Shinji Ikari, the clumsy but likable high school senior whose greatest wish is to impress his father - by winning the Texas high school state football championship. But on his way, he finds himself caught in the middle of two girls' affection: Will he manage to turn shy but sweet Rey Ayanami into the homecoming queen? Or is Asuka Langley Soryu finally going to return his unrequited love? Also some mecha-related shenanigans (if we don't run out of time). It's the rom-com of the year: Neon Genesis Evangelion Evolution!"
No that could work a lot of shows could do great if they removed the main story line from them and did stuff like this with the cast the issue is when they try to change so much yet still somewhat adhere to the series
29:38 "Yamcha doesn't actually....do anything" Well there's the problem! The writers were skipping too far ahead and were looking at Dbz as source material
Well Dragonball still rarely ever did anything in dragonball. Most of the time he'd get his ass kicked early by whoever Goku was going to fight in the finals. He was always there though, so there is that.
"Yeah, but... you make it seem like death has no consequence." "It really doesn't. We're literally waiting to go back. Hell, this is Chiaotzu's second time." "Next time, I get a free sundae!"
To be fair...thats the one thing they got right😂 innocents die too much? dragonballs evil tyrant destroys cities? dragonballs planet get blewed up? dont worry, go to another planet and use their dragonballs🤷🏽♂️
I'll never forget being 10, a huge DBZ fan, and anticipating this film. Then seeing it with my dad, and having him walk out halfway through the film while I stayed and slowly accepted that the film was terrible lol
same. it was more with me and my dad excited to see this film , an actual live adaptation of dragon ball , seeing goku do cool shot , but after the film me and dad did the red box a favor and just threw it away , by the time I was 10 but really never knew any difference between bad and good films , but this was first time I felt "no this -just Nolin my kid mind being really really disappointed - "where's Master roshi turtle -" "where the first tournament ???""WHERE'S KRILLIN???" God i was confused as a kid
The saddest thing is that DBZ did a better version of the "superhero kid goes to school and gets the girl while teaching his bullies a lesson" plot when Gohan went to high school. Please nobody make a live action Super Saiaman movie. It'll get butchered like this
I can actually see a live-action Super Sajyaman movie doing great. It probably is way easier than trying to do the plot of DB or DBZ. Especially if you ignore 90% of it and the 10% that are left, are the names of the main characters xD The teenage romance highschool plot they went for, is a given for a Sajyaman movie, hence he is a teenager (if we are not taking the adult Gohan who is already married). Okay, they have to write around the Buu arc ... but maybe it is set in an alternative timeline, where Buu does not awaken and there is no abrupt ending of the tournament (for 80% of the main cast). I'd actually like to see that. Vegeta fighting against Goku in the tournament, without he going full rampage and killing hundreds °L° Even though I'm not sure, if a live-action adaptation would be the best for that ... But seriously, if done right, it could be great ... and at least it would be better than DBE, which is not hard xD
yeah he got crushed to death by Goku having gone Giant Ape. meanwhile Goku doesn't realize he was the Monster his grandpa warned him about till he was an adult. and we don't even get to see it happen. it's something Goku mentions off hand when Puar mentions there was full moon out. granted had Goku not looked at the full moon in that moment in that part... yeah they would be dead.
Yeah seriously. This movie had a chance to be somewhat good if angsty goku's spider sense tingled, he left the party, arrived when Piccolo got there and blacks out to find his house destroyed and Gohan dying. He thinks Piccolo is to blame and it isn't until the end he finds out he's Oozaru and he destroyed the house and killed his grandpa. Would drive home the bullshit moral "have faith in who you are" message better too.
You know what's worse than that the screenwriter had to apologise for writing Evolution? That his script was massively better! We've had it leaked online years ago, and while it's true that it's still not the release Dragonball deserved, it actually seemed like a bad adaptation of actual Dragonball, instead of...........this. Krilling was there in Kame house in one scene, the characters were more like themselves, etc. The only reason it got THIS bad is because the executives rewrote his bad script according to their own ideas and marketing 6 F***ing times!
I mean there is a bright side to to dbe, the actor for piccolo actually watched dragon ball, became a fan, and convinced everyone piccolo should be green, and even voiced zamasu in the dbs english dub. Also dbe was so bad, toriyama made bog and eventually dbs
Toriyama also gave advice of how to write the characters, but the executives refused and said “they can do it better.” Toriyama was so infuriated, that he starts to write dragon ball again. That’s right, DBE was so bad that it made Toriyama yeet out of retirement.
@@RandomPerson-cm2wg To be fair, Toriyama is a pretty bad writer himself and if the makers of DBE just needed someone to explain the characters to them, they could have grabbed any nerd off the streets of Brazil to do so.
Stefan I’d say that he’s a decent writer, his stories are written well enough to enjoy. Dragonball even began as a gag manga anyways. But DBE is just plain bad.
SpiderSonic01 lmao in that case this video came out at the right time,I’m currently rewatching Dragon Ball and although I’ve heard all the bad stuff about Evolution,this is my first real introduction to it.
dragonball in the west may be beloved for its action but in japan the reason the manga you know the story without any animation no color and no acting and very little action since the anime adds a lot more fighting than originally was in the story since fighting in manga form is not fun and should not take too long to stall from the plot of the story, but the reason it sold is because its a simple hero's journey and then became a mans journey into adulthood and his sons hero journey ..thats really dragonball in a nutshell..its luke skwalker in star wars just without much development cause goku from right away is set in his ways and the author says hes right to be the way he is he doesn't need to change others can change around him cause he has figured it all out already ... its thats simple if you want to break it down...we see a hero grow up and learn and we learn and grow with them...thats why people like it..you see this main character grow and form bonds and create lifetime heroes out of enemies changing villains..its really cool..they aren't temporary truces for one arc or issue like in western comics and then a unexpected betrayl no they change for good which is cool...
I mean the writers didn't fucking care, they would have butchered Frieza either way. They probably would've said "Hey, turns out there's a dude Piccolo worked for and that dude was called Frieza so...fuck it, we're going to fight Frieza now."
The Grey Goblin we would have found out that Piccolo actually worked for Raditz who actually worked for Vegeta who actually worked for Frieza. Never mind that Vegeta, Raditz, and Goku are the same race. Also, Frieza works for Cell, and the Red Ribbon Army has been pulling the strings the whole time
@@jakethornton4125 Seeing how this movie handled Mai, I think that Raditz and Nappa would have been either not there at all or just been goons with Vegeta and/or Frieza the big bad
@@thegreygoblin5165 Then we learn that it's actually Pilaf who send Mai to work for King Piccolo so he could find out the truth about his whole organisation. Because, as it turns out, Pilaf is actually a good guy who wants to destroy the Red Ribbon Army and become the greatest ruler the planet has ever seen... only to then hand it over to Majin Buu and Babidi.
I'll take Vegeta's own words. Vegeta: HOW THEY DARE MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT KAKAROT AND NOT INVITE ME! Honest Trailer guy: oh no, not another one Vegeta: I AM VEGETA, PRINCE OF ALL SAYAN... Oh wait, is that the beta male? He looks like the tiger within down sindrome... Never mind bullet dodged.
I was already so disappointed in this movie that I didn’t think I could be anymore disappointed. Now I realize that the volcano was probably supposed to be Fire Mountain, the hench girl was supposed to by Mai, and learn that they were trying to pander for a trilogy (not just a sequel) and I feel more dead on the inside than the virus could accomplish right now.
Imagine how shitty the second film would of been with Raditz, Napa, and Vegetta. And a third film with Frieza. Basically, Piccolo changing sides because he was Frieza's slave once Vegetta came to Earth...
If you think the volcano being Fire Mountain was bad, I think the weird goofy monsters Piccolo created to fight there were supposed to be King Piccolo's children.
I can't even imagine how that would have gone, like Geoff said they basically made it impossible to do the Saiyan invasion or the war on Namek. I guess they could have just had a villain who says he's Vegeta in the second one, and a villain who says he's Frieza in the third, to quote Jontron the sky's the limit when you don't give a shit.
The screenwriter actually apologized. Apparently he didn't even bother to google DBZ and find out it's actually popular. He thought it was dumb and put minimal effort in for a paycheck.
@@clearspira At least according to Wikipedia it's 16th overall in the list of top-grossing media at $25 billion. That puts it above LotR, the Simpsons, Star Trek....
If the screenwriter apologized, it's also possible the bad script was the producer's fault. Like MB said in the end of the video, the higher ups looking at research and focus testing could have forced some changes. All I'm saying is it takes more than one person to make a movie this bad.
@@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm but it's also a shotty adaption of that it combines the pilaf and piccolo arc is some weird stupid mishmash and then it just throws in it's own bullshit like changing goku's character to be some typical rebellious teenager who goes to high school and already knows what namekians are and both krillin and tien two major characters from the original dragon ball are completely absent from the movie yeah great adaption of dragon ball
@@mastertadakatsu I feel like of the two, The Last Airbender actually is the worst offender between them. With DBE, it's SO different from the source material that you could replace the names and just look at it as some totally unrelated shitty teen martial arts movie. But with The Last Airbender, it's trying to hit on the original source's story and characters but in just a really, really awful way, which I would argue is worse.
I think the people who make this movie knew it, and made Goku a lot like adolescent gohan and Chichi more like Videl, even the clothes color. If they wanted a movie with teens and stuff, teen gohan becoming a superhero was there all along waiting to be adapted
Exactly. Dragonball is a LOT like Power Rangers! That's why they treated the characters of Great Saiyaman & the Ginyu Force with such respect! Why doesn't anyone see that?
You know, I'd like to believe Bulma's " Maybe I like bad men" comment was a nod to Vegeta wearing that pink "Badman" shirt in the Trunks arc... never mind, definitely not with this script. It was more likely a complete coincidence while they just went with a "women like the bad guys" trope.
Pfff yeah. Seeing how much thought they put into this movie, somehow I highly doubt they were looking that far down the line. Here's the thing though Yamcha is one of the last characters you'd call a bad boy. He may have been introduced that way, but put a pretty girl anywhere near him and he's all weak knees and nosebleeds. Like if you're going to drop millions on making a live action dragonball movie you would think it wouldn't be a big ask for the director to at least crack open the book.
Trying to give this movie credit in any way aside from the actors and original screenwriter is tantamount to eating poison and expecting less than a tummy ache.
There is ONE joke in here that Jeff forgot: After Justin says the line "Have you tried looking under Master?" Bulma gives him a dirty look, and Justin goes "M-a-s-t" which got a genuine laugh from me upon first viewing
goku is a icon..to call justin goku when he is the opposite in most ways is disrespectful ..they literally wrote a angsty spiderman clone without what we like about spiderman and then call him goku and put him in the suit and make him a monkey
When I was a little kid, one of my dad and I's main methods of bonding was watching Dragonball together. We went on a father-daughter date to see this movie in THEATERS. It was the first movie adaption of something that I liked that I had ever seen. I was an insanely naive child who saw the good in EVERYTHING. And I STILL knew there was plenty wrong with this movie from my first viewing of it. My hatred only grew with age.
How sad still buthurt about a movie based on one of the most overrated anime ever think I'll watch evolution again to see if it's anywhere as bad as super
@@axelwinchester4220 bro. The whole thing with dragon ball is that it's a shounen manga. It's not supposed to pander to your refined douchy tastes. Seinen exists for that purpose. It's for kids. And that's why it's so special to a lot of people like me. I grew up with Dragon Ball and Goku was my hero. This was the case for the vast majority of people. And if dragon ball had come out now I know wouldn't like it. Still this movie butchered something incredibly important to a lot of people. That's why we all hate it. And Super is leagues better than this shitshow
My dad was an accountant and when the shop was still relatively new, he did the books for Travelling Man owner Nabil! My mam liked dragons and while we agreed their Shenron was jus plain bad (an Eastern Dragon with a Western Dragon's head... why DOES that one fly under the radar so much!?) he also agreed the film was pretty bad and his main knowledge of the franchise could pretty much be summed up as "his client sold the Manga that his son collected"! And a good chunk of it was bought from Travelling Man, the chunk that wasn't bought from Forbidden Planet, that is! (I like that we have both stores as, if one doesn't have it, I can always check the other! Plus I prefer going to Travelling Man as I have a Loyalty Card with them so when I spend money there, I can collect points!)
You know what's the worst part? If they wanted to build a cheesy movie with high school teenagers, super heroes and love affairs based on Dragon Ball, if they had based the story on Gohan, Videl and the Great Saiyaman the movie wouldn't be as bad as it was! And the Power Rangers parts would be bearable!
Oh no, they had it much easier than that. GT. At that point you have Gohan, Videl and Uub as superhereos each with their own dorky costume. Gohan and Videl are in college, Goten is either in late high school or early college and exploring dating. They could have had their super hero high school drama on a silver platter.
@@ghoulchan7525but with barely any of the stuff that makes either as likable as they are (I say barely, because this movie has like two or three bits where Justin does legitimately act/talk somewhat like Goku)
Problem with that: Goku knew what kissing was. That scene was a misunderstanding between Goku and Vegeta because Goku big dumb. Also we see Goku and ChiChi get married in the original DragonBall. And they do kiss.
@@CassiusStelar nope. Goku only agreed to marry ChiChi because he thought she was referring to some kind of food, and didn't realise what it was until many years later when they reunited at a tournament, after which Goku got cancelled by the crowd for hurting her feelings then beat her in one hit.
"A talking dog-ninja and a megalomaniacal gremlin were too unrealistic for a movie where a monkey man kung fu fights a green space alien for magic wish balls"
Whats crazy is that Justin took his role very seriously compared to the other actors. He read the manga, watched the anime, etc. Could only do so much with a bad script.
@@tahjkuemmerle Uhm you don't need gel... My hair can spike up without gel for being so thick... And that's not even enough of what makes someone look like Goku... Afterall Goku is anime character but you gotta just be artistically clever to transform that into real life... That doesn't mean his hair gotta be as big as the anime 😑
I feel like there's a world where Justin could have gotten some ok roles in acting, maybe not becoming an A Tier actor but something, and this movie killed all that instantly
man this was soooooo bad this movie... non of the characters are connected to dragonball... That makes me just wonder... did ANY of the creators even watch it? But like Piccolo killing Gohan.... Goku having anger issues.... Not wanting to reach higher grounds.... Horny kid... Somehow here having trouble to learn fighting..... How goku and chichi met.... how Bulma and Goku met.... also WERE ON EARTH IS KRILLEN!!!!!
I think the director admitted he never watched or read it. He just read a synopsis, but I'd wager that he read nothing more than a wiki character list.
I actually believe that they did watch/read Dragon Ball... and just did the exact opposite of everything in the series. I don't think you can get this bad by accident.
We can take solace in one thing though: Toriyama got so pissed about what they did to his series that he came out of a retirement to make more actual Dragon Ball. Love Super or hate it, DBE is directly responsible for its existence.
I appreciate that Super brought more people into the fold. I don't appreciate how many plotholes they create/gloss over, and the downgrade in animation for a few of the episodes
@@felixfox3968 You can find an interview of him saying it on here bro (UA-cam) but then again it's probably subtitled by the person who uploaded the video so you can take it with a grain of salt. I didn't look for it myself I was shown the interview back when they were promoting Battle of Gods here in the US.
@@xinf3ctdx I wouldnt say supers completely terrible. There are good points to it, inconsistent as the quality overall can be in it. We at least got battle of gods, beerus, whis as existing ongoing characters, an amazing final battle during the tournament of power and the new broly movie as well. Try not to be so pessimistic about it
The thing of it is, Superman and Spiderman received their powers/were born powerful without any training needed. While Goku was also born with Saiyan hi levels of ki and strength, it wasn't enough to beat a premier human martial artist if he left it as is. Goku TRAINED to be the powerhouse he is. Sure, it's FUN for him because he loves fighting and is the typical Saiyan in that sense, but he still got to be the strongest being in the universe because he pro-actively trains and picks fights with strong people. If someone is weak, he's really not interested in getting involved beyond swatting them out of the way.
I know this is like from really long ago, but i think that it is mentioned that Goku had actually low levels of ki and strength when being analyzed in his incubation pod when he was still a kid, so i guess he trained more than people think he did.
@@thenightguy8328 Though it's ''non-canon'', Broly: The Legendary Super-Saiyan [at least in the English dub, no idea about the original because I'm not Japanese] states that Goku is born with a power level of... two. Weaker than Oolong the shapeshifting pig [power of 10, according to semi-official material].
@@TwistedChungusExactly, it's also like that in the original Bardock Movie if my memory isn't wrong, even though it's not really that Canon, it's been stated both in both not Canon material and in the now Canon material that he really lacked a lot of power, but just look at his state right now, one of if not the most powerful character of all Animes.
This movie actually got me into Dragonball. When I was a kid I always knew of it, but mostly from watching family playing tenkaichi and budokai 3. Hell, from the few cutscenes and artwork I saw I thought that the super saiyan forms of teen gohan, goku, vegeta and trunks were evil doppelgangers of their base forms. When I watched DBE I was so thoroughly pissed because I knew that DB couldn't be that bad, so I watched the entirety from DB to DBGT and I felt relieved.
@@zachscarbrough2727 This movie could solve world inequality by everyone joining hands and agreeing on this one thing: Dragon Ball Evolution sucks ostrich eggs.
"DRAGONBALL IS NOTHING LIKE POWER RANGERS!" Frieza Saga: "TOKUSENTAI! TOKUSENTAI!" Buu Saga: *Great Saiyaman jazzhands intensify* Tournament of Power: Pride Troopers will have you all erased!
@@danielinskip8427 Nah, their uniforms and mannerisms are definitely sentai-inspired, it's just that there are sentai in Japan that can basically be analogous to the Justice League.
@@lnsflare1 Oh yeah? Jiren, so overpowered that he makes every other member obsolete - Superman Toppo, obsessed with justice - Batman Dyspo, super fast - Flash Guy who looks like Cyborg but an alien - Cyborg The female member/the guy who throws golden threads around - Wonder Woman
@@danielinskip8427 chill down bruh. You may like to link the characters to other characters you know but there's no way of telling how much american comics influence toyo animations. Also the mannerisms and poses of the pride troopers, saiyaman and ginyu force are an ode to power rangers.
@@1mol831 You know that one scene from JJBA where the main villain got sentenced to an infinite death loop by this vampire's son? Yeah. This shitshow deserves that treatment.
@@ChefMonke07 While reading the first half of your sentence i was thinking you were gonna propose for that main villain to be sentenced to an infinite loop of having to watch DB Evolution.
@@orbitalsummer If there is a hell, it'd be that for me. An infinite loop strapped to a chair watching DB Evolution. That is literally the worst thing that can happen.
I'm glad to see you gave James Marsters some credit, even if even he couldn't save the movie. I'm glad he got his chance with Dragonball properly when he played Zamasu in Super.
I remember him saying in interviews around then that he was really hyped to be playing Demon King Piccolo and didn't really enjoy the experience of being on Buffy because apparently he was getting harassed or something, at the time I found it pretty depressing.
What they did with Yamcha is insulting. They couldn't even have him be scared of girls :( And Yamcha's presence in the manga had an importance. He was the first to discover that Goku's weakness was his tail. It helped them return Goku to normal after he went Oozaru in Pilaf's castle.
He was also Goku's first oponent to become a direct rival! The other villains of the story that fought Goku did not became rivals with Goku, they either sided with him out of fear (like Oolong) or actively tried to defeat him (like Pilaf). But Yamcha was the first one to fight him and try to surpass him not as an enemy but as a friend. He may have gone soft towards the end of Dragon Ball and became the running joke of being unable to defeat a Saibanman, but he is still way stronger and skilled than any average martial artist in the world of Dragon Ball, he gets a minor role in the fights, but he is still more capable than the average human.
Speaking of cutting off Goku's tail, this adaptation also completely left out Puar, who was Yamcha's sidekick and the one who actually did the tail-cutting.
@@koncentra5767 Well they also left out Pilaf which is the actually true criminal part of the movie. If they wanted to actually do a franchise, why start with King Piccolo who was the biggest threat in the original Dragon Ball? Just start slow with someone like Pilaf, reimagined if he has to be, keep the stakes low, develop the main 4 characters, introduce Chi Chi but don't make her a part of the main cast yet and make the main conceit be tracking down the Dragon Ba------- I am literally just describing the first few arcs of the manga/anime at this point... what was even the point of it all?
Speaking of the tail, there are a select few frames during the “fight” between Gohan and Goku that, blink and you miss it, you will see Goku has his tail. That means they attempted to have Goku with the tail early on and took it out during the production of the movie.
"Hey! There's that forehead vein again! Are we sure this wasn't supposed to be an Akira movie...?" Well, Justin does look more like Tetsuo than Goku in this movie...
Now I'm starting to wonder if Chatwin was cast specifically because of the forehead vein thing. Hey this guy kinda sorta looks like Goku AND he can pop out his forehead vein on command? The fans'll love him.
Noku: “It’s kind of hard to block a move that I can’t see.” Goku: *hires a hitman to kill him so he can fight against someone who has a move that he can’t see*
I remember watching this as a kid and my father walked in to see what I was watching. He then turned it off and said “Lets watch some actual Dragon ball.” Thanks dad!
I have a feeling that the reason the final "beam clash" is so terrible was because they tried to combine it with the way King Piccolo died in the manga. Where Goku propels himself up towards piccolo with a kamehameha in order to punch through him I'm guessing it was a situation were they couldn't decide on how to end the fight and just said "why not both?"
okay, reincorporating lines from earlier in the movie to make your script seem cleverer than it is is a pretty stale and lazy writing trick to begin with, but that DOESNT EVEN MAKE SENSE AS A RESPONSE TO THE THING HE SAID!?
movies like aibender evolution and death note in live action shows me that 1. we should just be happy with our anime adaptations and 2. japan can make live action anime..america can not and we should give up on that
If you skipped the opening and muted any time a character says someone else's name, I wonder how much of this movie you could show someone before they figure out it's based on Dragon Ball...
To be fair, the dragon balls were a dead give away. Replace those with some other MacGuffin though, and I probably would have wondered at Piccolo, but wouldn't have known for sure until Goku finally wore the orange Gi. Then again, not knowing what the title was, I would have walked out of the theatre before the movie ever got so far...
@@pieniaurinko The dragonballs and character names are literally the only things this movie got right (ignoring prometheum orbs and geeko). Otherwise this is nothing but a shitty-as-can-be cash grab trash-heap of an attempt at a movie. This movie was so bad that it has become a legendary example of what not to do in a movie and gave pause to the idiotic live action adaptations in Hollywood, though not for long enough as we were still cursed with "The Last Airbender" afterwards and the horrific Death Note series we got a while back My cousin wanted to watch it just to see how bad it was but we found he couldn't because so many people complained to playstation network that they pulled it from even being available. The backlash was massive and widespread hatred for the actors and staff were palpable.
30:55 i can feel justin trying to breath life into this project anyway he can in this scene, as with most of the actors. The subtle indication that goku almost forgot yamcha died in the dream and was instantly curious about yamcha dying does more for the films adaptation than the writing or directing did.
He doesn’t even do anything in the original Dragon Ball after Pilaf. (Edit: even if I still think Yamcha has always been prety useless, I do like the character. I enjoy his personality a lot and he’s probably one of the bravest characters in the show)
Will only be applying it to male characters since the term has too much baggage/chance to be misunderstood being applied to women, but will for serious be stealing "fight slut" as a term for anime characters that are entirely to thirsty for getting into combats.
a reluctant, teenage hero, who's not a great lover of martial arts and is somewhat rusty at them in performance, going to High-school and trying to pretend to be normal... so... they didn't just frankenstein the Pilaf and King Piccolo sagas into one, they somehow decided to throw Buu-Saga Gohan in there too..
Edwin Latorre Me too. Goku’s character arc was done by the end of the Android saga. He had become a mentor, trained his successor and died for realsies. In the Buu saga, Goku should have stayed dead after fighting Majin Vegeta.
This guy looks as much like Goku as the shit I took this afternoon looks like Clifford The Big Red Dog. But then again, manga/anime accurate hair would look even worse.
I think a live action Dragon Ball movie series or TV show could really work. Not DBZ, but classic Dragon Ball. Hire a talented martial artist kid, don't try to copy the anime hair and just give him generaly wild hair, lean into the feral mountain boy vibes and his endearing loveable naivety and ignorance and love of fighting. Make him just as strong as in the anime and just as excitable. Make him asexual and motivated by adventure and fighting and let the secondary characters motivate the plot. It could work. Lean into making Goku loveable. Let us explore the wacky and wild world of DB along with him! He's the perfect window character like Harry Potter to discover capsules and dog people and floating cars and insane cities! Towers full of bad guys and color coded armies! It's all new to us, and it's all new to Goku! It WORKS! DO THAT! Hire the choreographers from Into the Badlands and a talented and versatile composer like Bear McCreary, and a few good directors like the crew that made Daredevil and you'll have an amazing show! I think it could be better than Avatar as a live action anime. (Avatar is anime. Fight me.) I think focusing on martial arts and fun world building and less on massive energy beams and mountain destroying punches will work better. Bending works better as animation, a lot of Anime is animated because it works best that way... but Dragon Ball could really work. I honestly believe it. P.S. After seeing a video of Yidyut Jamwal, I'd love to see him portray Nam in live action. I liked Nam a lot and I think the Tournament arc could be a ton of fun in live action! Focusing on all the fun characters and I think it would be fun to have someone like Dave Bautista or Terry Crews play Bacterian for fun. With a ton of makeup and prosthetics like Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder lol those kinds of cameos are always my favorite!
@@NUKELEDGE Yea and it was accurate. I also thought is was funny when he said "He was stering at her in a field of flowers mouth fucking a strawberry". That was really funny.
Chi-Chi: What *are* you?! Justin: You haven't figured it out yet? I'm the simp who came all the way to the desert with the soul propose of getting a whiff of your perfume. I'am the simp you've heard of in legends pure of beta energy and awakened by horniness. *THAT'S* what I am! *I AM THE SUPER SIMP!! SON JUSTIN!!*
@@AHappyBlackGuy Lamo this is actually good and is a twist on the i am the light and hope of the universe i am the answer to all living thing's that cry out peice speech Goku gave to Freiza.
Just make him Spiderman except he’s goku but with none of the traits that people actually like from either character Bruh chill it’s getting personal now 😂
13:06 This moment makes me so legitimately angry and this is why I hate the movie so much... the fact that Goku straight up ditched his own adopted Grandpa to chase after some bland piece of ass is one of the biggest deviations of his character. In the manga and anime, he was really faithful towards his Grandfather that if this character trait existed, he would've stayed with his Grandfather's side (He might've been killed too and had the Dragon Ball taken, but that's really besides the point....) It's probably even worse that they just used the Dragon Balls with the knowledge to bring anyone back to life, so to just revive one person instead of everyone killed by Piccolo is pretty much an asshole move.
They needed to kill of Gohan without making Goku his murderer so they had to create a situation where he would be out of the house -- they went with "he's a high-schooler so, hormones, I guess" I guess... Of course they could've just started after Gohan's death, not made Goku a high-schooler or engaged in any kind of education (since he never was in the manga) and just have an alternate reality kinda thing where his grandfather died and Bulma didn't come to run him over a few days/weeks afterward and instead only met him a few years after Gohan's death with Goku having had to live alone for the that time... Or I dunno, just anything that wasn't so majestically not-Dragon-Ball. The question of "were they doing it on purpose" when referencing how everything is backward is so hard to answer because on the one hand it doesn't look like it as I think it would be more obvious whereas this just seems incidental but on the other hand... there is not a single thing that is not wrong with the story when compared to the source. Adapting is fine, changing is fine, even completely changing the story as long as some kernel of the original is left in there but... fuck me, this is disastrous. Soulless is about as close to being a compliment as possible; a vacuum of purpose, money and talent is way closer to the truth.
If I remember correctly, in the anime the one who came with the idea of reviving EVERYONE killed by piccolo and not only their friends was Yamcha. He was the most considerate one on that situation.
"Just watch the way he bad-touches the camera with his eyes while imagining her mouth f**king a strawberry in a field full of flowers." That sentence...that sentence is AMAZING.
I mean... It doesnt make it IMPOSSIBLE it would just make it more difficult to do it in a good way. Knowing this movie though it would have just been handwaved something stupid like piccolo finding baby goku and baby napping him mid trip, or give it a couple degrees of separation and just say king piccolo had a different Oozaru and establish that there are multiple ones. Heck, that would even foreshadow Vegita turning into one during said re-written sayan arc.
And then percy Jackson... where they remove the entire thing about kronos using Luke as a temporary host, and defeat kronos, the main villain of the series, during the movie based on the second book...
@@maximilianosanchez1106 That isn't LIKE power rangers, that's Gohan watching too much Teenage Tattooed Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills and deciding to emulate them when he hit his Chuni-phase (albeit a little bit later than normal cause of that whole having to save the world multiple times since he was 5 bollocks).
Fun fact: James Marsters, who played King Piccolo in this movie, actually went on to voice another Dragon Ball villain, this time in Dragon Ball Super, where he voiced the genocidal Kaioshin of Universe 10, Zamasu!!
@thesadistgod its not complete trash, but it isn't very good either. The concept behind it is pretty good, the dark goku trope was played out already by like 3 other characters, but this was the only one that felt like it could actually be a real version of the dark goku character. The villian motives were decent and the main cast had a decent amount of good dialog aswrll throughout the arc, the main problem though is that it's dragon ball super, and in dragon ball super, nothing ever gets fleshed out past the initial concept due to the fact that toriyama literally only gave the anime team basic plot points on what should happen in each arc, so instead of having well though out story arcs, that evolved the characters and made lasting effects on the plot, we got a bunch of hollow story beats that didnt have a chance to gain any kind of depth, all of which were mostly unconnected, and were glued together with weird filler content that had 0 real impact on the story or characters
The only hope for dragon ball right now is the upcoming anime dragon ball diama, I'm hoping that since it seems to be a standalone project that has heavy involvement from toriyama, it can be more similar to how the movies are, and have real story telling with more deep themes and plot points, obviously since it's still just a continuation of dbs, it can't be that much of a step up in quality since the dbs anime basically gutted any chance of dragon ball being a deep and overarching story, but I hope that diama can at least function as a extremely good standalone story, and it forgets about all of the flawed plot points dbs has barried itself 6 feet underneath in
At least the last air bender try to be fateful to its Source material dragon ball Evolution just dose what ever the fuck it wants and only use the title and the characters
I, the non DBZ fan, and my friend, who was a heavy DBZ fan, saw this movie in theaters. We expected nothing less of something you'd see on Saturday being insulted by two robots and a guy with shadows. We got that, and did most of the insulting.
Akira Toriyama - "At the time of the Hollywood movie, the live-action Dragon Ball, the script had too little of a grasp on the world and its characteristics, and on top of that, it had a conventional content that I couldn't find interesting, so I cautioned them, and suggested changes; but in spite of that, they seemed to have a strange confidence, and didn't really listen to me. What came out in the end was a movie I couldn't really call a Dragon Ball that lived up to my expectations."
. its nice to see someone parody some of the over reactions to this film while still saying yeah its actually worse than you think or worse than the nerds overeacting to it claim cause of the production alone like studio medling writing acting stunt work and editing not even counting how it totally disrespects the source material on purpose while trying to do something new and failing at it trying to make that Spiderman money and copy it just using goku cause fox sucks ....cause unlike most mother's basement actually knows what hes talking about..hes not just venting for views taking about a series he doesn't know about he actually cares about dragonball clearly with his knowledge unlike most reviewers hes not just reviewing something popular and funny he doesn't care about for views he can review anything anime related and get views... he chose this cause he wanted to period and he broke it down very well why it fails as a movie as a adaptation and just as a story
Ben Ramsey apologized for the film, writing: "To have something with my name on it as the writer be so globally reviled is gut-wrenching. To receive hate mail from all over the world is heartbreaking. I went into the project chasing after a big payday, not as a fan of the franchise but as a businessman taking on an assignment. I have learned that when you go into a creative endeavour without passion you come out with sub-optimal results, and sometimes flat out garbage. So I'm not blaming anyone for Dragonball [Evolution] but myself."
The funny thing is that he didn't, later retracted the apology blaming literally everyone else, and tried to promote his more recent work in the same statement. I'm pretty confident that he only ever apologized in a failed attempt to save his career, and his revision of the apology was another attempt at the same - seemingly having realized that hollywood favours the 'stupid but successful' over smart self-aware failures. He essentially said that his script was great and it was everyone else's fault that the film ended up like this - which it partially is, given how badly this all reeks of executives - and even said Disney should try remaking it with his original script. You know, the one that he wrote for cash with virtually no knowledge of the series and which Toriyama both read and thought was shit.
Michael M James Marsters actually became a fan while preparing for Evolution, which only made him angry at the movie being the travesty that it is. Funimation probably noticed this & gave Marsters a chance to do right by the series he grew to love.
Hey I liked both so just imagine that heartbreak... Just kidding! When I heard Avatar was being adapted by Shyamalan all hope died within me from that point onward and backward, like a ripple through my personal timeline and protected me from ever getting my hopes up for either the TLA or DB adaptations so I'm all good! I mean... my soul's a vacuum of hope and expectations but I feel life would've eventually done that to me anyway so ALL GOOD!!!
@@vetreas366 maybe we all misunderstood. Maybe they adapted the fire nation's theatre play of the avatar story and we just thought they were going for the real deal
My daughter has asked to watch this movie a few times (because of the dragonball name attached to it). She continues to wonder why I say this film doesn't actually exist.
@@serge263 I'd argue that DBE is worse than TLA movie, in TLA at least characters and power sets are closer to the actual show, DBE "Goku" is literally the opposite of Goku (teenager, horny, doesn't want to go on his journey to fit that overused "hero's journey trope" overall the most generic protagonist you can make) and the whole story is turned into the most generic Kung Fu movie possible.
So much of this movie is weirdly accurate to the source material while totally butchering it at the same time that I choose to believe it’s an in-universe movie made by someone who only knew the broad strokes of Goku’s life
Ha. Yeah the only one that you could argue that even remotely looks like their character is "Mai", and that's only after you stretch your imagination like her skinsuit. Roshi's look is acceptable, but only because it seemed like they actually put some thought into who should play him. A pox on the other two though. If they didn't waste money on giving "Yamcha's" bleached tips maybe they could've used it to make Bulma's hair bluer than one lock.
@@samsherrington7423 a fan who got wasted by a dumb movie like this. That's kinda sad. It's like a person who likes chocolate cake and someone gave him the cake but it has a brick in it.
You're talking about the screenwriter. He didn't even write the final version of the film, he sent in many drafts each less faithful to the source material than the last as they kept getting rejected. Apparently many modifications were made even to the final script he gave them.
I was so confused when I first saw dragon ball evolution because I had only ever seen dragon ball z So when I watched it I convinced myself it was a fever dream for a few years
Other movies are so bad, they kill the franchise.
Dragon Ball Evolution is so bad, it went full circle and revived the franchise. It was so bad, the original creator felt the need to come out of retirement to show how it is done.
So in a way, we should give thanks to just that ONE thing. Thanks Dragonball Evolution, for being so shit, we got Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, and Dragon Ball Super.
@@oH_._ Super is trash though. However I do think the broly movie was pretty good.
Actually, Battle Of Gods was already in development but after DBE, Toriyama decided to get involved again and that's how we ended up with Beerus and Whis. Beerus is based on his cat actually!
During DBE's development Toriyama did try to give notes on how to do the franchise justice. It was ignored. Justin Chadwin actually sat down and read ALL of DB and DBZ in preparation for the role and was sad when the film ended using none of it which is sad because Toriyama is actually a big fan of western sci-fi movies like The Terminator and Star Wars so it must've been crushing.
So in a weird way, we kinda owe DBE for jumpstarting the franchise again.
@@xxGamerX-cc2ho Yeah, no it isn't. It's flawed in areas and pointless within its the first, two seasons for poorly adapting movies (BoG & Resurrection: F), but still good overall.
@@vidk1dd96 It's mediocre at best even after the first 2 seasons.
I've heard people call Dragon Ball Evolution bad fanfiction before, but I disagree. That would be an insult to bad fanfiction, because at least bad fanfiction is written by people who actually like Dragon Ball.
Even if bad fanfiction is cringy as fuck. It at least has some semblance of the original source material. It was at least written by someone who has enough love for the series that they want to tell a story with those characters.
@@MrSupersonic2012 have you ever read my immortal? Cause Dragon Ball Evolution has more love for the original franchise than that.
@@hannyboop I'm convinced the writer of My Immortal is actually the smartest troll in existence and has managed to fool everyone into thinking it's a honest fanfic and not a social experiment.
@@hannyboop Kind of on the same boat as Jay. Pretty sure My Immortal was the work of a genius troll who was having a laugh.
@@hannyboop what's my immortal?
Fun fact: When Akira Toriyama offered advice for the script, the execs rebuked him, saying that 'They could do it better'. After the movie came out, Toriyama was so infuriated by it that he started writing Dragon Ball again. And thus, Super was born
Wha? No way! You're kidding about the first part. Please tell me you were kidding. Really? I mean, really?
@@kelvinphillips7140 I'm so sorry, he isn't
Well in Super's defense, Evolution wasn't a high bar to overcome.
*When Akira Toriyama offered advice for the script, the execs rebuked him, saying that 'They could do it better'*
^No wonder the film was utter crap. You don't ever tell the creator you can do it better, the film adaptation is your permission to even take the man's creation and try and adapt it for the big screen. Its no wonder movies with no care or thought put into them flounder and turn out to be a complete waste of time to begin with!
I also heard that when Justin Chatwin was casted as Goku, he read all of the original dragon ball and dragon ball z manga. And he was excited to see those elements be used in the movie. But, like all of us, he was disappointed that none of it was used.
Atleast that’s what I heard from a comment in this comment section, is it really true?
I'm so glad that James Marsters got to officially be in the DB universe by voicing Zamasu in the English dub. He loves Dragon Ball and he tried so hard to at least make Piccolo accurate in this pile of shit disguised as a movie.
That is pretty cool, that makes me think of when the actress who was live action Princess Yue in a trash adaption of another beloved series got to voice Asami.
@@morganyoung3557Or how the actor who played Shaggy in the live action Scooby-Doo movies became the voice for the animated version as well.
Holy shit, Dresden voices Zamasu? I actually didn't pick up on that, but looking back on it it's obvious. (James Marsters reads the Dresden Files audiobooks)
@@Shadethewolfy "The Budokai ring was on fire and it wasn't my fault"
@@ojrmk1 hehehe
"Man this is worse than that time when I was in high school. And all the guys called me Geeko, and I was Piccolo's slave, I couldn't get Chi-Chi to like me and- oh wow, I hit that rock harder than I thought."
Ok, which episode of TFS abridged? I thought of that line the other day, but for the life of me I couldn't remember which episode the line was from.
@@kingsleycy3450 Pretty sure it was Episode 10, Part 2
@@cicada8981 Cool. Cheers!
Rip i enjoyed that series as much of not more than the original
Lmao
"We have to change the story to reach a wider audience!" Said the folks adapting one of the most popular series in the history of mankind.
Just saying it's a dragon Ball movie will get people talking so idk what they were thinking
It was common thoughts on fanboys ie well they will pay to see it no matter what so lets change it so people that wouldnt see it will come and we got this lol
To this day though, I go back on forth over which is worse.
This or Last Airbender. They also both came out in consecutive years.
@@RYMAN1321 last air bender you cant unlink the movie from teh content while with dragonball if they renamed it something else it would have been a so so c class scifi movie which it is only when you attach dragonball to it does it become a total failure
"Yeah, but let's start with the shit almost no one watched. We don't want folks to be confused about the story."
Krillin is real lucky he's dead in this arc.
Yeah where the hell is he?
@@TheBluePhoenix008 he's not introduced until the next arc (assuming this was supposed to be the Pilaf arc with Piccolo replacing Pilaf).
Lol "arcs." The people who made this movie have admitted that it was a shameless cash-grab, I don't think most of them watched DBZ or even know what an arc is.
@@TheBluePhoenix008 in db he's comes back to life at the end of king piccolo arc.
The absence of Krillin was an obvious clue to me that they literally had no idea what even is a Dragon Ball and were just using some kind of Mad Lib template to write it. Later I learned that the guy who apologized for writing the movie only wrote a very early draft, which was not great but a lot better and more interesting than what actually got filmed (I think it did have Krillin).
"Coming soon, from the people who brought you Dragon Ball Evolution: Meet Shinji Ikari, the clumsy but likable high school senior whose greatest wish is to impress his father - by winning the Texas high school state football championship. But on his way, he finds himself caught in the middle of two girls' affection: Will he manage to turn shy but sweet Rey Ayanami into the homecoming queen? Or is Asuka Langley Soryu finally going to return his unrequited love? Also some mecha-related shenanigans (if we don't run out of time). It's the rom-com of the year: Neon Genesis Evangelion Evolution!"
How dare you make me read this with my human eyes XD
No that could work a lot of shows could do great if they removed the main story line from them and did stuff like this with the cast the issue is when they try to change so much yet still somewhat adhere to the series
@@Goombalove3000 bro this sounds like a billion dollar idea fix the biggest issue in Eva the chronically Depressed MC and make him likable
@@axelwinchester4220 Shinji's likable if you have a shred of human decency and empathy
Please don't give them ideas.
29:38
"Yamcha doesn't actually....do anything"
Well there's the problem! The writers were skipping too far ahead and were looking at Dbz as source material
"I don't know what a Yamcha is, but it sounds like Raditz"
"I do not know what this "Yamcha" is, but it sounds disappointing."
Hey he at least won that baseball game
@Decourt Kume to be fair, we're really going after toriyama's *treatment* of yamcha
Well Dragonball still rarely ever did anything in dragonball. Most of the time he'd get his ass kicked early by whoever Goku was going to fight in the finals. He was always there though, so there is that.
Goku's passions are fighting and food. If this were real Dragon Ball, he'd be thirsting after the Strawberry and forget all about Chi Chi.
lol that would actually be a really funny scene...
I think you mean Gee-ku
It's a wonder that Gohan and Goten exist.
Y and yamcha also
The only reason he is married is because Chi Chi forced him XD
"This is Dragonball. Death is meaningless."
Truer words have never been spoken
We don't talk about *T, but we pretend that Evolution doesn't even exist.
Wait I thought dragonball Evolution is just a Myth? Is it real?
Nothing but a minor inconvenience
"Yeah, but... you make it seem like death has no consequence."
"It really doesn't. We're literally waiting to go back. Hell, this is Chiaotzu's second time."
"Next time, I get a free sundae!"
To be fair...thats the one thing they got right😂 innocents die too much? dragonballs evil tyrant destroys cities? dragonballs planet get blewed up? dont worry, go to another planet and use their dragonballs🤷🏽♂️
Producers: We're gonna do a Dragonball movie.
Fan: Cool, is it gonna be like the anime or manga?
Producers: What the f are those?
😁
100% accurate
Producers: *It just work*
@@johnthefool8462 oh god its Todd Howard
LOL xD
This was an anime adaptation *so bad* that Akira Toriyama came out of retirement to make Battle of the Gods, just to spite this shitshow.
Yep
My lord
because he offered to help produce the movie and the studio refused, so he bought the rights to dragonball back
"Fine, I'll do it myself." - Toriyama grabbing his pen from the vault.
Guess we should thank them for making the movie so awful, then. Still not gonna.
I'll never forget being 10, a huge DBZ fan, and anticipating this film. Then seeing it with my dad, and having him walk out halfway through the film while I stayed and slowly accepted that the film was terrible lol
That must have been a horrible experience in all. My condolences.
@@_fawkes It's all good man! But fuck this movie lol
same. it was more with me and my dad excited to see this film , an actual live adaptation of dragon ball , seeing goku do cool shot , but after the film me and dad did the red box a favor and just threw it away , by the time I was 10 but really never knew any difference between bad and good films , but this was first time I felt "no this -just Nolin my kid mind being really really disappointed - "where's Master roshi turtle -" "where the first tournament ???""WHERE'S KRILLIN???" God i was confused as a kid
Whats funny is that this is supposed to be bases on dragon ball witch is more interesting for a live movie than z and still they did it bad.
I love Dragon Ball Evolution.
The saddest thing is that DBZ did a better version of the "superhero kid goes to school and gets the girl while teaching his bullies a lesson" plot when Gohan went to high school. Please nobody make a live action Super Saiaman movie. It'll get butchered like this
I think the director and writer gotten Goku mixed up with Gohan.... Cus Goku never went to school but Gohan did.
I can actually see a live-action Super Sajyaman movie doing great.
It probably is way easier than trying to do the plot of DB or DBZ.
Especially if you ignore 90% of it and the 10% that are left, are the names of the main characters xD
The teenage romance highschool plot they went for, is a given for a Sajyaman movie, hence he is a teenager (if we are not taking the adult Gohan who is already married).
Okay, they have to write around the Buu arc ... but maybe it is set in an alternative timeline, where Buu does not awaken and there is no abrupt ending of the tournament (for 80% of the main cast).
I'd actually like to see that. Vegeta fighting against Goku in the tournament, without he going full rampage and killing hundreds °L°
Even though I'm not sure, if a live-action adaptation would be the best for that ...
But seriously, if done right, it could be great ... and at least it would be better than DBE, which is not hard xD
If ever there was an ark that was meant to be made into a lifeaction sentai show its that one
Gohan nerdy one in goku family! He’s smart but I really wish not see another live action movie base off anime.
True. Dragonball started with Goku living in the woods.
What's ironic about them trying to do an angsty Uncle Ben moment with Gohan is that the original way Gohan dies is 1000 times more tragic.
yeah he got crushed to death by Goku having gone Giant Ape. meanwhile Goku doesn't realize he was the Monster his grandpa warned him about till he was an adult. and we don't even get to see it happen. it's something Goku mentions off hand when Puar mentions there was full moon out.
granted had Goku not looked at the full moon in that moment in that part... yeah they would be dead.
Yeah seriously. This movie had a chance to be somewhat good if angsty goku's spider sense tingled, he left the party, arrived when Piccolo got there and blacks out to find his house destroyed and Gohan dying. He thinks Piccolo is to blame and it isn't until the end he finds out he's Oozaru and he destroyed the house and killed his grandpa. Would drive home the bullshit moral "have faith in who you are" message better too.
You know what's worse than that the screenwriter had to apologise for writing Evolution? That his script was massively better! We've had it leaked online years ago, and while it's true that it's still not the release Dragonball deserved, it actually seemed like a bad adaptation of actual Dragonball, instead of...........this. Krilling was there in Kame house in one scene, the characters were more like themselves, etc. The only reason it got THIS bad is because the executives rewrote his bad script according to their own ideas and marketing 6 F***ing times!
I mean there is a bright side to to dbe, the actor for piccolo actually watched dragon ball, became a fan, and convinced everyone piccolo should be green, and even voiced zamasu in the dbs english dub. Also dbe was so bad, toriyama made bog and eventually dbs
Yeah James marster was a cool cat. I know he was disappointed with how it all panned out
Toriyama also gave advice of how to write the characters, but the executives refused and said “they can do it better.” Toriyama was so infuriated, that he starts to write dragon ball again.
That’s right, DBE was so bad that it made Toriyama yeet out of retirement.
@@RandomPerson-cm2wg To be fair, Toriyama is a pretty bad writer himself and if the makers of DBE just needed someone to explain the characters to them, they could have grabbed any nerd off the streets of Brazil to do so.
Stefan I’d say that he’s a decent writer, his stories are written well enough to enjoy. Dragonball even began as a gag manga anyways. But DBE is just plain bad.
I feel like if anyone finds a copy of this movie in a store, the store is obligated to give the customer money instead for such a tragedy
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The only good thing about Evolution is that it makes you appreiate real Dragon Ball more.
That, and it gave us Super.
i think the best thing was Toriyama came out of retirement and wrote battle of gods because it was that bad.
SpiderSonic01 lmao in that case this video came out at the right time,I’m currently rewatching Dragon Ball and although I’ve heard all the bad stuff about Evolution,this is my first real introduction to it.
im pretty sure the same appreciation exists without the movie
dragonball in the west may be beloved for its action but in japan the reason the manga you know the story without any animation no color and no acting and very little action since the anime adds a lot more fighting than originally was in the story since fighting in manga form is not fun and should not take too long to stall from the plot of the story, but the reason it sold is because its a simple hero's journey and then became a mans journey into adulthood and his sons hero journey ..thats really dragonball in a nutshell..its luke skwalker in star wars just without much development cause goku from right away is set in his ways and the author says hes right to be the way he is he doesn't need to change others can change around him cause he has figured it all out already ... its thats simple if you want to break it down...we see a hero grow up and learn and we learn and grow with them...thats why people like it..you see this main character grow and form bonds and create lifetime heroes out of enemies changing villains..its really cool..they aren't temporary truces for one arc or issue like in western comics and then a unexpected betrayl no they change for good which is cool...
"This Piccolo fucks."
Somewhere in the distance: "we dont even HAVE those!"
Guru's voice
Namek hoes
This is when racist whitens everything. 😂😂😂
@@blairbuskirk5460 Super Kami Guru
A better dba reference: "references aren't funny!"
Jeff: This movie makes it functionally impossible...to adapt the Saiyan or Freeza saga
Vegeta and Freeza: We see this as an absolute win.
I mean the writers didn't fucking care, they would have butchered Frieza either way. They probably would've said "Hey, turns out there's a dude Piccolo worked for and that dude was called Frieza so...fuck it, we're going to fight Frieza now."
The Grey Goblin we would have found out that Piccolo actually worked for Raditz who actually worked for Vegeta who actually worked for Frieza. Never mind that Vegeta, Raditz, and Goku are the same race. Also, Frieza works for Cell, and the Red Ribbon Army has been pulling the strings the whole time
@@jakethornton4125 Seeing how this movie handled Mai, I think that Raditz and Nappa would have been either not there at all or just been goons with Vegeta and/or Frieza the big bad
@@thegreygoblin5165 Then we learn that it's actually Pilaf who send Mai to work for King Piccolo so he could find out the truth about his whole organisation. Because, as it turns out, Pilaf is actually a good guy who wants to destroy the Red Ribbon Army and become the greatest ruler the planet has ever seen... only to then hand it over to Majin Buu and Babidi.
I'll take Vegeta's own words.
Vegeta: HOW THEY DARE MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT KAKAROT AND NOT INVITE ME!
Honest Trailer guy: oh no, not another one
Vegeta: I AM VEGETA, PRINCE OF ALL SAYAN... Oh wait, is that the beta male? He looks like the tiger within down sindrome... Never mind bullet dodged.
I was already so disappointed in this movie that I didn’t think I could be anymore disappointed. Now I realize that the volcano was probably supposed to be Fire Mountain, the hench girl was supposed to by Mai, and learn that they were trying to pander for a trilogy (not just a sequel) and I feel more dead on the inside than the virus could accomplish right now.
Glad I could help!
Imagine how shitty the second film would of been with Raditz, Napa, and Vegetta. And a third film with Frieza.
Basically, Piccolo changing sides because he was Frieza's slave once Vegetta came to Earth...
If you think the volcano being Fire Mountain was bad, I think the weird goofy monsters Piccolo created to fight there were supposed to be King Piccolo's children.
I can't even imagine how that would have gone, like Geoff said they basically made it impossible to do the Saiyan invasion or the war on Namek. I guess they could have just had a villain who says he's Vegeta in the second one, and a villain who says he's Frieza in the third, to quote Jontron the sky's the limit when you don't give a shit.
they were definitely trying for a franchise.
The screenwriter actually apologized. Apparently he didn't even bother to google DBZ and find out it's actually popular. He thought it was dumb and put minimal effort in for a paycheck.
MtnNerd And that is clearly evident by this abomination of a “film.”
Apology not accepted. Dragonball is one of the biggest properties in the world, it would have taken thirty seconds to learn that.
@@clearspira At least according to Wikipedia it's 16th overall in the list of top-grossing media at $25 billion. That puts it above LotR, the Simpsons, Star Trek....
If the screenwriter apologized, it's also possible the bad script was the producer's fault. Like MB said in the end of the video, the higher ups looking at research and focus testing could have forced some changes.
All I'm saying is it takes more than one person to make a movie this bad.
@@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm but it's also a shotty adaption of that it combines the pilaf and piccolo arc is some weird stupid mishmash and then it just throws in it's own bullshit like changing goku's character to be some typical rebellious teenager who goes to high school and already knows what namekians are and both krillin and tien two major characters from the original dragon ball are completely absent from the movie yeah great adaption of dragon ball
Doesn't Evolution namedrop "Airbending" when Goku is trying to learn the Kamehameha?
Like, did they really confuse Dragonball with Avatar?
The two greatest disappointments in Hollywood history.
I nearly rage vomited so hard when I heard that. And I'm not a massive DBZ fan, but I'm still a DBZ fan.
yeah, they totally drop it. like, CYF totally forgot what movie he was in lol.
A wiseman once said “they steal from everything franchise but dragonball”
@@mastertadakatsu I feel like of the two, The Last Airbender actually is the worst offender between them. With DBE, it's SO different from the source material that you could replace the names and just look at it as some totally unrelated shitty teen martial arts movie. But with The Last Airbender, it's trying to hit on the original source's story and characters but in just a really, really awful way, which I would argue is worse.
"It's nothing like power rangers, mom!"
Uh, Super Saiyaman disagrees.
Don't forget the Ginyu Force!
@@zc7372 That's a damn good point.
@@zc7372 don't forget the Pride Troopers as well
I think the people who make this movie knew it, and made Goku a lot like adolescent gohan and Chichi more like Videl, even the clothes color. If they wanted a movie with teens and stuff, teen gohan becoming a superhero was there all along waiting to be adapted
Exactly. Dragonball is a LOT like Power Rangers! That's why they treated the characters of Great Saiyaman & the Ginyu Force with such respect! Why doesn't anyone see that?
"At least pretend you haven't followed her home before."
I laughed so hard I had to pause the video.
You know, I'd like to believe Bulma's " Maybe I like bad men" comment was a nod to Vegeta wearing that pink "Badman" shirt in the Trunks arc... never mind, definitely not with this script. It was more likely a complete coincidence while they just went with a "women like the bad guys" trope.
Pfff yeah. Seeing how much thought they put into this movie, somehow I highly doubt they were looking that far down the line. Here's the thing though Yamcha is one of the last characters you'd call a bad boy. He may have been introduced that way, but put a pretty girl anywhere near him and he's all weak knees and nosebleeds. Like if you're going to drop millions on making a live action dragonball movie you would think it wouldn't be a big ask for the director to at least crack open the book.
Yeah I doubt they would’ve ever done a subtle yet smart reference like that
Trying to give this movie credit in any way aside from the actors and original screenwriter is tantamount to eating poison and expecting less than a tummy ache.
I might buy it if Yamcha wore a pink shirt when he and Bulma hooked up.
There is ONE joke in here that Jeff forgot: After Justin says the line "Have you tried looking under Master?" Bulma gives him a dirty look, and Justin goes "M-a-s-t" which got a genuine laugh from me upon first viewing
That's because it's the only bit that's really true to his character. Like, at all.
@@Zac_Frost I think that was Justin shining through the shit script. As much as he barely is Goku, he really did his research.
That was honestly the only time in the movie where the character actually acted like Son Goku.
@@morganyoung3557Eating the big chicken leg was another Goku feeling moment.
I love how Geoff refuses to call Justin Goku
That's the funniest part of the whole video
😆🤣🤡
I refuse to call that abomination using the name of the character I grew up watching. It's no surprise he would do the same.
I wouldn't call Justin yamcha lol
Some random guy in a foam Goku wig yelling about training for the whole runtime would have been a better adaptation of the character.
Cheeky Amoral Fight-Slut is my Darkness Cover-band.
And you made my favorite UA-cam comment.
Oh my god this is the funniest thing I've seen all week 🤣
I like how Mother's Basement doesn't even refer to Justin as Goku.
If he did, it would be a massive disrespect to Goku and he knows it.
goku is a icon..to call justin goku when he is the opposite in most ways is disrespectful ..they literally wrote a angsty spiderman clone without what we like about spiderman and then call him goku and put him in the suit and make him a monkey
He’s not Goku. He’s Ukog.
He does actually slip up a few times
We all like that
When I was a little kid, one of my dad and I's main methods of bonding was watching Dragonball together. We went on a father-daughter date to see this movie in THEATERS. It was the first movie adaption of something that I liked that I had ever seen. I was an insanely naive child who saw the good in EVERYTHING. And I STILL knew there was plenty wrong with this movie from my first viewing of it. My hatred only grew with age.
How sad still buthurt about a movie based on one of the most overrated anime ever think I'll watch evolution again to see if it's anywhere as bad as super
your dad is awesome.
@@axelwinchester4220 bro. The whole thing with dragon ball is that it's a shounen manga. It's not supposed to pander to your refined douchy tastes. Seinen exists for that purpose. It's for kids. And that's why it's so special to a lot of people like me. I grew up with Dragon Ball and Goku was my hero. This was the case for the vast majority of people. And if dragon ball had come out now I know wouldn't like it. Still this movie butchered something incredibly important to a lot of people. That's why we all hate it. And Super is leagues better than this shitshow
@@taseenalrashid4168 how the fuck did you fall for this bait
My dad was an accountant and when the shop was still relatively new, he did the books for Travelling Man owner Nabil! My mam liked dragons and while we agreed their Shenron was jus plain bad (an Eastern Dragon with a Western Dragon's head... why DOES that one fly under the radar so much!?) he also agreed the film was pretty bad and his main knowledge of the franchise could pretty much be summed up as "his client sold the Manga that his son collected"! And a good chunk of it was bought from Travelling Man, the chunk that wasn't bought from Forbidden Planet, that is! (I like that we have both stores as, if one doesn't have it, I can always check the other! Plus I prefer going to Travelling Man as I have a Loyalty Card with them so when I spend money there, I can collect points!)
You know what's the worst part?
If they wanted to build a cheesy movie with high school teenagers, super heroes and love affairs based on Dragon Ball, if they had based the story on Gohan, Videl and the Great Saiyaman the movie wouldn't be as bad as it was! And the Power Rangers parts would be bearable!
Oh no, they had it much easier than that. GT. At that point you have Gohan, Videl and Uub as superhereos each with their own dorky costume. Gohan and Videl are in college, Goten is either in late high school or early college and exploring dating. They could have had their super hero high school drama on a silver platter.
I have been saying this for YEARS
they really just mashed Goku and Gohan into one for this movie huh.
@@ghoulchan7525but with barely any of the stuff that makes either as likable as they are (I say barely, because this movie has like two or three bits where Justin does legitimately act/talk somewhat like Goku)
Goku in canon: Didn't know what marriage or even kissing was
Goku in evolution:
Problem with that: Goku knew what kissing was. That scene was a misunderstanding between Goku and Vegeta because Goku big dumb.
Also we see Goku and ChiChi get married in the original DragonBall. And they do kiss.
@@CassiusStelar nope. Goku only agreed to marry ChiChi because he thought she was referring to some kind of food, and didn't realise what it was until many years later when they reunited at a tournament, after which Goku got cancelled by the crowd for hurting her feelings then beat her in one hit.
@@koncentra5767 You misread my comment. I never said he wanted to do it, I just said he did it and knew what the term meant afterwards.
@@CassiusStelar no, I didn't misread anything, actually.
@@koncentra5767 ok.
"A talking dog-ninja and a megalomaniacal gremlin were too unrealistic for a movie where a monkey man kung fu fights a green space alien for magic wish balls"
Best line in the whole video
17:49
XD
Almost as bad as Mulan nixing Mushu in place of a sorceress that turns into birds, and a gotdang phoenix
Whats crazy is that Justin took his role very seriously compared to the other actors. He read the manga, watched the anime, etc. Could only do so much with a bad script.
I feel bad for him now
I feel bad for Chatwin too BUT he still doesn't look exactly like Goku
@@alisaiyan868 my brother in Christ there isn't enough gel in existence to make someone's hair stand up like Goku's.
@@tahjkuemmerle Uhm you don't need gel... My hair can spike up without gel for being so thick... And that's not even enough of what makes someone look like Goku... Afterall Goku is anime character but you gotta just be artistically clever to transform that into real life... That doesn't mean his hair gotta be as big as the anime 😑
I feel like there's a world where Justin could have gotten some ok roles in acting, maybe not becoming an A Tier actor but something, and this movie killed all that instantly
man this was soooooo bad this movie... non of the characters are connected to dragonball... That makes me just wonder... did ANY of the creators even watch it?
But like Piccolo killing Gohan.... Goku having anger issues.... Not wanting to reach higher grounds.... Horny kid... Somehow here having trouble to learn fighting.....
How goku and chichi met.... how Bulma and Goku met.... also WERE ON EARTH IS KRILLEN!!!!!
I think the director admitted he never watched or read it. He just read a synopsis, but I'd wager that he read nothing more than a wiki character list.
Be glad Krillen isn't in the movie. They didn't corrupt our boy. He was spared the torture of having his name attached to this monstrosity.
I actually believe that they did watch/read Dragon Ball... and just did the exact opposite of everything in the series. I don't think you can get this bad by accident.
Probably looking for his nose.
Yeah, they included Yamcha but not Krillin? And for that matter where is the rest of the Pilaf gang? where are all of Piccolo's minions from the show?
We can take solace in one thing though: Toriyama got so pissed about what they did to his series that he came out of a retirement to make more actual Dragon Ball. Love Super or hate it, DBE is directly responsible for its existence.
Yay. So glad that one bad movie spawned another terrible anime series. Woo. Hoo.
I appreciate that Super brought more people into the fold. I don't appreciate how many plotholes they create/gloss over, and the downgrade in animation for a few of the episodes
Can anyone provide a source for this? I keep on hearing about this but i just want to make sure its 100% true or not
@@felixfox3968 You can find an interview of him saying it on here bro (UA-cam) but then again it's probably subtitled by the person who uploaded the video so you can take it with a grain of salt. I didn't look for it myself I was shown the interview back when they were promoting Battle of Gods here in the US.
@@xinf3ctdx I wouldnt say supers completely terrible. There are good points to it, inconsistent as the quality overall can be in it. We at least got battle of gods, beerus, whis as existing ongoing characters, an amazing final battle during the tournament of power and the new broly movie as well. Try not to be so pessimistic about it
The thing of it is, Superman and Spiderman received their powers/were born powerful without any training needed. While Goku was also born with Saiyan hi levels of ki and strength, it wasn't enough to beat a premier human martial artist if he left it as is. Goku TRAINED to be the powerhouse he is. Sure, it's FUN for him because he loves fighting and is the typical Saiyan in that sense, but he still got to be the strongest being in the universe because he pro-actively trains and picks fights with strong people. If someone is weak, he's really not interested in getting involved beyond swatting them out of the way.
I know this is like from really long ago, but i think that it is mentioned that Goku had actually low levels of ki and strength when being analyzed in his incubation pod when he was still a kid, so i guess he trained more than people think he did.
@@thenightguy8328 Though it's ''non-canon'', Broly: The Legendary Super-Saiyan [at least in the English dub, no idea about the original because I'm not Japanese] states that Goku is born with a power level of... two. Weaker than Oolong the shapeshifting pig [power of 10, according to semi-official material].
@@TwistedChungusExactly, it's also like that in the original Bardock Movie if my memory isn't wrong, even though it's not really that Canon, it's been stated both in both not Canon material and in the now Canon material that he really lacked a lot of power, but just look at his state right now, one of if not the most powerful character of all Animes.
This movie actually got me into Dragonball. When I was a kid I always knew of it, but mostly from watching family playing tenkaichi and budokai 3. Hell, from the few cutscenes and artwork I saw I thought that the super saiyan forms of teen gohan, goku, vegeta and trunks were evil doppelgangers of their base forms.
When I watched DBE I was so thoroughly pissed because I knew that DB couldn't be that bad, so I watched the entirety from DB to DBGT and I felt relieved.
Well, at least something good came out from that shitty movie. Another fan.
A film so truly god awful, it turns non fans/casual fans into true fans
@@zachscarbrough2727 This movie could solve world inequality by everyone joining hands and agreeing on this one thing: Dragon Ball Evolution sucks ostrich eggs.
Insert potshot at gt here. It's not even worth coming up with an insult
dbe writers: "let's create a movie so offensive that people will become dragon ball fans out of spite."
One doesn’t have to be a DB fan to know that DB Evolution is below mediocre.
But to those who are DB fans... Godspeed.
Below mediocre is too generous for this shit
@@rajamrifqi5764 HAHA exactly. This movie is trash. How is this even allow.
Ok, virgin
Like me
"DRAGONBALL IS NOTHING LIKE POWER RANGERS!"
Frieza Saga: "TOKUSENTAI! TOKUSENTAI!"
Buu Saga: *Great Saiyaman jazzhands intensify*
Tournament of Power: Pride Troopers will have you all erased!
Don't forget that guy with the belt that changes his abilities. Basically making him a one-man sentai
The pride Troopers are The Justice League.
@@danielinskip8427 Nah, their uniforms and mannerisms are definitely sentai-inspired, it's just that there are sentai in Japan that can basically be analogous to the Justice League.
@@lnsflare1 Oh yeah?
Jiren, so overpowered that he makes every other member obsolete - Superman
Toppo, obsessed with justice - Batman
Dyspo, super fast - Flash
Guy who looks like Cyborg but an alien - Cyborg
The female member/the guy who throws golden threads around - Wonder Woman
@@danielinskip8427 chill down bruh. You may like to link the characters to other characters you know but there's no way of telling how much american comics influence toyo animations. Also the mannerisms and poses of the pride troopers, saiyaman and ginyu force are an ode to power rangers.
The only good character in this moive is Gohan because he is the only smart one also he makes a b-day dinner for Goku and I think that's sweet
I got legit sad when he played the clip of Gohan cooking him a birthday dinner in an empty house
@@baneoftechnology Yeah, same, its the little things that go unappreciated...
But chicken feet eh
Honestly, I enjoyed both Yamcha and Roshi despite them being a bit clichéd.
@@baneoftechnology same dude, same
"Threatens us with a sequel" makes me laugh way to much
Don't watch it. Just don't. This thing is trash, it deserves to go into the bin.
@@1mol831 You know that one scene from JJBA where the main villain got sentenced to an infinite death loop by this vampire's son? Yeah. This shitshow deserves that treatment.
@@ChefMonke07 While reading the first half of your sentence i was thinking you were gonna propose for that main villain to be sentenced to an infinite loop of having to watch DB Evolution.
@@orbitalsummer If there is a hell, it'd be that for me. An infinite loop strapped to a chair watching DB Evolution. That is literally the worst thing that can happen.
@@orbitalsummer No… LIVING DB:E instead!
I'm glad to see you gave James Marsters some credit, even if even he couldn't save the movie. I'm glad he got his chance with Dragonball properly when he played Zamasu in Super.
And he's really good as Zamasu.
I'M SO ABOVE YOU
James Marsters: The best thing in a number of bad things, one of the best things in a number f good things. The man is a legend.
This almost reminds me of Seychelle Gabriel who played Princess Yue in that awful Last Airbender movie but later played Asami in Legend of Korra.
I remember him saying in interviews around then that he was really hyped to be playing Demon King Piccolo and didn't really enjoy the experience of being on Buffy because apparently he was getting harassed or something, at the time I found it pretty depressing.
This movie is how i know my brother has no taste for movies
Thinks this was okay
Hated fury road.
Well, murder is okay if no one knows about it.
Your brother needs re-education. And fast
Brainwashing would be acceptable right now
...Disown him.
I believe mel Gibson was better, BUT JESUS! Liking DBE more than fury Road is incomprehensible
What they did with Yamcha is insulting. They couldn't even have him be scared of girls :(
And Yamcha's presence in the manga had an importance. He was the first to discover that Goku's weakness was his tail. It helped them return Goku to normal after he went Oozaru in Pilaf's castle.
He was also Goku's first oponent to become a direct rival!
The other villains of the story that fought Goku did not became rivals with Goku, they either sided with him out of fear (like Oolong) or actively tried to defeat him (like Pilaf). But Yamcha was the first one to fight him and try to surpass him not as an enemy but as a friend.
He may have gone soft towards the end of Dragon Ball and became the running joke of being unable to defeat a Saibanman, but he is still way stronger and skilled than any average martial artist in the world of Dragon Ball, he gets a minor role in the fights, but he is still more capable than the average human.
Speaking of cutting off Goku's tail, this adaptation also completely left out Puar, who was Yamcha's sidekick and the one who actually did the tail-cutting.
@@koncentra5767 Well they also left out Pilaf which is the actually true criminal part of the movie. If they wanted to actually do a franchise, why start with King Piccolo who was the biggest threat in the original Dragon Ball? Just start slow with someone like Pilaf, reimagined if he has to be, keep the stakes low, develop the main 4 characters, introduce Chi Chi but don't make her a part of the main cast yet and make the main conceit be tracking down the Dragon Ba-------
I am literally just describing the first few arcs of the manga/anime at this point... what was even the point of it all?
A dragon ball pixar style 3d movie would be priceless
Speaking of the tail, there are a select few frames during the “fight” between Gohan and Goku that, blink and you miss it, you will see Goku has his tail. That means they attempted to have Goku with the tail early on and took it out during the production of the movie.
"Mai's haircut is basically a bob cut but longer, and not at all."
That was such a good joke 😂😂😂😂
Technically that haircut is called a "one length bob". I only know that because I work in a hair salon. It's not what is generally known as a bobcut.
45 MINUTES!!!!!?????
Holy shit this is the longest STOMPING this movie has ever taken on UA-cam.
Clearly you’ve never heard of mr plinkett, and bye I love your stuff
MauLer's review of The Last Jedi is over 5 hours long.
the movie brought it apon it's selfe 😂😂😂
Lmfao @ 45 minute long stomping!!!
And yet I feel like a 45 minute stomping, just isn't good enough
DBE actually stands for *_Dig Bick Energy._*
"Hey! There's that forehead vein again! Are we sure this wasn't supposed to be an Akira movie...?"
Well, Justin does look more like Tetsuo than Goku in this movie...
Now I'm starting to wonder if Chatwin was cast specifically because of the forehead vein thing. Hey this guy kinda sorta looks like Goku AND he can pop out his forehead vein on command? The fans'll love him.
Noku: “It’s kind of hard to block a move that I can’t see.”
Goku: *hires a hitman to kill him so he can fight against someone who has a move that he can’t see*
Man I don't even like DBZ and I still feel bad for the fans because of this movie.
Honestly we deserve it
Same
They got it worse than Death Note fans. Just think on that for a moment.
I agree.
HEVEN DB Evolution adapted from Dragon ball, not Dragon Ball Z.
I remember watching this as a kid and my father walked in to see what I was watching. He then turned it off and said “Lets watch some actual Dragon ball.” Thanks dad!
Your dad is the best hero this movie could ever hope to inspire.
sure
that's called parenting
that's a cool ass dad
Your dad is one of the best heroes ever
Oh...ok so we're going to bypass the fact they refer to Ki attacks as 'airbending'?
*Michael Bay music entensifies*
I have a feeling that the reason the final "beam clash" is so terrible was because they tried to combine it with the way King Piccolo died in the manga. Where Goku propels himself up towards piccolo with a kamehameha in order to punch through him
I'm guessing it was a situation were they couldn't decide on how to end the fight and just said "why not both?"
Jeff: WHY CANT THIS MOVIE GET ANYTHING RIGHT
"First rule is there are no rules"
okay, reincorporating lines from earlier in the movie to make your script seem cleverer than it is is a pretty stale and lazy writing trick to begin with, but that DOESNT EVEN MAKE SENSE AS A RESPONSE TO THE THING HE SAID!?
Gumball reference?
Average viewer: "C'mon, Evolution was so long ago."
Me: "It's always a good time to roast Evolution."
Nicky Book the fuck are you on about? Why do you talk like this?
@@Jayfive276 Dude, chill. Like Nicky said, it's always good to make fun of and criticize bad movies.
@@Jayfive276 Nicky's just memein' it up
movies like aibender evolution and death note in live action shows me that 1. we should just be happy with our anime adaptations and 2. japan can make live action anime..america can not and we should give up on that
@@razkable Japan can make poor live action adaptations though (see FMA and AoT).
If you skipped the opening and muted any time a character says someone else's name, I wonder how much of this movie you could show someone before they figure out it's based on Dragon Ball...
ALL OF IT...
Until they actually title drop
Because they do... RIGHT???
To be fair, the dragon balls were a dead give away. Replace those with some other MacGuffin though, and I probably would have wondered at Piccolo, but wouldn't have known for sure until Goku finally wore the orange Gi. Then again, not knowing what the title was, I would have walked out of the theatre before the movie ever got so far...
All the way up until the kamehameha
The orange-ish gold balls would probably tip things off a little, but then they'd think it was some sort of cheap Chinese knockoff film.
@@pieniaurinko The dragonballs and character names are literally the only things this movie got right (ignoring prometheum orbs and geeko). Otherwise this is nothing but a shitty-as-can-be cash grab trash-heap of an attempt at a movie. This movie was so bad that it has become a legendary example of what not to do in a movie and gave pause to the idiotic live action adaptations in Hollywood, though not for long enough as we were still cursed with "The Last Airbender" afterwards and the horrific Death Note series we got a while back
My cousin wanted to watch it just to see how bad it was but we found he couldn't because so many people complained to playstation network that they pulled it from even being available. The backlash was massive and widespread hatred for the actors and staff were palpable.
30:55 i can feel justin trying to breath life into this project anyway he can in this scene, as with most of the actors. The subtle indication that goku almost forgot yamcha died in the dream and was instantly curious about yamcha dying does more for the films adaptation than the writing or directing did.
I do not think Justin is a bad actor just the directing and script is bad
“Yamacha doesn’t do anything”; oh so it’s Dragon Ball Z.
Gonna need a senzu bean for that one.
He's a good friend. Why would he ever hang around us if he wasn't?
Dr. Griff Actually Yamcha made one of the most iconic shots in anime. He did something in Z. 😁
He doesn’t even do anything in the original Dragon Ball after Pilaf.
(Edit: even if I still think Yamcha has always been prety useless, I do like the character. I enjoy his personality a lot and he’s probably one of the bravest characters in the show)
But that's a Dragon Ball adaption. Not Z tho
“Flakey amoral fight slut” just think we need to appreciate this line real quick.
Hail the anime Pope, HAIL
The most accurate of descriptions
Also “titty ninja”
Alex Chwalik kinda like magic wands in Harry Potter
Will only be applying it to male characters since the term has too much baggage/chance to be misunderstood being applied to women, but will for serious be stealing "fight slut" as a term for anime characters that are entirely to thirsty for getting into combats.
a reluctant, teenage hero, who's not a great lover of martial arts and is somewhat rusty at them in performance, going to High-school and trying to pretend to be normal...
so... they didn't just frankenstein the Pilaf and King Piccolo sagas into one, they somehow decided to throw Buu-Saga Gohan in there too..
I honestly love the Gohan stuff in the Buu saga and I think it’s a shame that he wasn’t the main character of it.
MrPicas honestly, toriyama kept trying to make Gohan the main character and I was disappointed every single time they defaulted to Goku
Assuming they knew who gohan was is giving them too much credit
Edwin Latorre
Me too. Goku’s character arc was done by the end of the Android saga. He had become a mentor, trained his successor and died for realsies.
In the Buu saga, Goku should have stayed dead after fighting Majin Vegeta.
@@XescoPicas finally, some good fucking opinions. I see we have some cultured Gohan stans in this thread, good shit fellas
The fact that the ONE THING the franchise took from that movie is the Kamehameha-defibrillator is hillarious.
They probably did it, for the memes and for keeping people alive.
When was this?! 😂
@@christopherfleetwood5252 During the Movie Resurrection F, Episode 72 (Watch 71 for Context) and The tournament of Power Arc After Rochi Beats Ganos
@@Jacob_G9 huh, neat!
"Ah so being thirsty and simping makes you stronger on this planet"
"Uh... No its just a bad movie"
"Oh! OF COURSE because that would be ridiculous HAHAHA!"
I miss dbza
@@hermit2277 As do we all.
I love how he never calls him Goku, only Justin
Accuracy 100
XD
This guy looks as much like Goku as the shit I took this afternoon looks like Clifford The Big Red Dog. But then again, manga/anime accurate hair would look even worse.
Joku
I think a live action Dragon Ball movie series or TV show could really work. Not DBZ, but classic Dragon Ball.
Hire a talented martial artist kid, don't try to copy the anime hair and just give him generaly wild hair, lean into the feral mountain boy vibes and his endearing loveable naivety and ignorance and love of fighting. Make him just as strong as in the anime and just as excitable. Make him asexual and motivated by adventure and fighting and let the secondary characters motivate the plot.
It could work. Lean into making Goku loveable. Let us explore the wacky and wild world of DB along with him! He's the perfect window character like Harry Potter to discover capsules and dog people and floating cars and insane cities! Towers full of bad guys and color coded armies! It's all new to us, and it's all new to Goku! It WORKS!
DO THAT!
Hire the choreographers from Into the Badlands and a talented and versatile composer like Bear McCreary, and a few good directors like the crew that made Daredevil and you'll have an amazing show! I think it could be better than Avatar as a live action anime. (Avatar is anime. Fight me.) I think focusing on martial arts and fun world building and less on massive energy beams and mountain destroying punches will work better. Bending works better as animation, a lot of Anime is animated because it works best that way... but Dragon Ball could really work. I honestly believe it.
P.S. After seeing a video of Yidyut Jamwal, I'd love to see him portray Nam in live action. I liked Nam a lot and I think the Tournament arc could be a ton of fun in live action! Focusing on all the fun characters and I think it would be fun to have someone like Dave Bautista or Terry Crews play Bacterian for fun. With a ton of makeup and prosthetics like Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder lol those kinds of cameos are always my favorite!
“Super-Simpn’.” That line earned a like.
That was fucking amazing.
@@NUKELEDGE Yea and it was accurate.
I also thought is was funny when he said "He was stering at her in a field of flowers mouth fucking a strawberry".
That was really funny.
Chi-Chi: What *are* you?!
Justin: You haven't figured it out yet? I'm the simp who came all the way to the desert with the soul propose of getting a whiff of your perfume. I'am the simp you've heard of in legends pure of beta energy and awakened by horniness. *THAT'S* what I am!
*I AM THE SUPER SIMP!! SON JUSTIN!!*
@@AHappyBlackGuy Lamo this is actually good and is a twist on the i am the light and hope of the universe i am the answer to all living thing's that cry out peice speech Goku gave to Freiza.
"Yamcha doesn't do anything"
Oh so he hasn't really changed
hey, they actually adapted one thing corrrectly!
Changed horribly. He did A LOT in Dragon Ball before Z.
"DBE, catchy"
I could feel that line take a year off my life. It's the audio equivalent of the life stealing machine from The Princess Bride.
“Hear that Fezick? That is the sound of ultimate suffering!”
It's has the same feel as
"Trust me Master Frodo. We're actually Lord Of The Rings 2: The Two Towers"
Even that machine is less painful than this movie.
i don’t get it
I love you for this comment. Princess bride is on of my all time favourites.
"Have you SEEN our Goku? We are DOOMED." I never ever fail to laugh at that line, and I have seen this video like six times.
Just make him Spiderman except he’s goku but with none of the traits that people actually like from either character
Bruh chill it’s getting personal now 😂
13:06 This moment makes me so legitimately angry and this is why I hate the movie so much... the fact that Goku straight up ditched his own adopted Grandpa to chase after some bland piece of ass is one of the biggest deviations of his character. In the manga and anime, he was really faithful towards his Grandfather that if this character trait existed, he would've stayed with his Grandfather's side (He might've been killed too and had the Dragon Ball taken, but that's really besides the point....) It's probably even worse that they just used the Dragon Balls with the knowledge to bring anyone back to life, so to just revive one person instead of everyone killed by Piccolo is pretty much an asshole move.
They needed to kill of Gohan without making Goku his murderer so they had to create a situation where he would be out of the house -- they went with "he's a high-schooler so, hormones, I guess" I guess...
Of course they could've just started after Gohan's death, not made Goku a high-schooler or engaged in any kind of education (since he never was in the manga) and just have an alternate reality kinda thing where his grandfather died and Bulma didn't come to run him over a few days/weeks afterward and instead only met him a few years after Gohan's death with Goku having had to live alone for the that time... Or I dunno, just anything that wasn't so majestically not-Dragon-Ball. The question of "were they doing it on purpose" when referencing how everything is backward is so hard to answer because on the one hand it doesn't look like it as I think it would be more obvious whereas this just seems incidental but on the other hand... there is not a single thing that is not wrong with the story when compared to the source.
Adapting is fine, changing is fine, even completely changing the story as long as some kernel of the original is left in there but... fuck me, this is disastrous. Soulless is about as close to being a compliment as possible; a vacuum of purpose, money and talent is way closer to the truth.
@@vetreas366 technically Roshi did homeschool him and Krillen a bit during their training for the 21st WMT. Still only about Amish level though.
If I remember correctly, in the anime the one who came with the idea of reviving EVERYONE killed by piccolo and not only their friends was Yamcha. He was the most considerate one on that situation.
32:52 Chow Yun-Fat? More like Chow Yun-THICC!
....
...I'll see myself out...
No stay that was good
"Just watch the way he bad-touches the camera with his eyes while imagining her mouth f**king a strawberry in a field full of flowers."
That sentence...that sentence is AMAZING.
Timestamp?
XD
That is one of the sentences of all time.
Jeff: This movie makes it functionally impossible...to adapt the Saiyan or Freeza saga
Eragon characters : First time ?
thats ok movies 3 5 and 6 already do that so...but thats ok
oh no why did you remind me of that horrible Eragon movie
I somehow sat through it but Blonde Arya made me want to walk out
@@Nisi1 And now I'm reminded of it too. Thanks.
I mean... It doesnt make it IMPOSSIBLE it would just make it more difficult to do it in a good way. Knowing this movie though it would have just been handwaved something stupid like piccolo finding baby goku and baby napping him mid trip, or give it a couple degrees of separation and just say king piccolo had a different Oozaru and establish that there are multiple ones. Heck, that would even foreshadow Vegita turning into one during said re-written sayan arc.
And then percy Jackson... where they remove the entire thing about kronos using Luke as a temporary host, and defeat kronos, the main villain of the series, during the movie based on the second book...
Mother's Basement: (Watches Netflix's Death Note)
Also Mother's Basement: I'll take a bullet and eat it
I see you're here once more...
Okay, that one wasn't shit. You get a pass this time Moustache.
Wicked Erebus no no this one doesn’t have a mustache, totally different
@@avataraarow *looks closer at his phone screen*
Holy Chaplin you're right!
Sorry to the dude without a moustache
"Dragon Ball is Nothing Like Power Rangers!"
Captain Ginyu and the Ginyu Force: Are we a joke to you?
Well, Yes...
Actually yes, but s different kind
What about Gohan and his sub-plot as the Great Saiyaman?
*Great Saiyaman has entered the chat*
@@maximilianosanchez1106 That isn't LIKE power rangers, that's Gohan watching too much Teenage Tattooed Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills and deciding to emulate them when he hit his Chuni-phase (albeit a little bit later than normal cause of that whole having to save the world multiple times since he was 5 bollocks).
Fun fact: James Marsters, who played King Piccolo in this movie, actually went on to voice another Dragon Ball villain, this time in Dragon Ball Super, where he voiced the genocidal Kaioshin of Universe 10, Zamasu!!
And that arc is terrible! That poor man lol! His voice acting is excellent at least.
@@alittlebirdi come on. Maybe you’re being a bit harsh.
@thesadistgod its not complete trash, but it isn't very good either. The concept behind it is pretty good, the dark goku trope was played out already by like 3 other characters, but this was the only one that felt like it could actually be a real version of the dark goku character. The villian motives were decent and the main cast had a decent amount of good dialog aswrll throughout the arc, the main problem though is that it's dragon ball super, and in dragon ball super, nothing ever gets fleshed out past the initial concept due to the fact that toriyama literally only gave the anime team basic plot points on what should happen in each arc, so instead of having well though out story arcs, that evolved the characters and made lasting effects on the plot, we got a bunch of hollow story beats that didnt have a chance to gain any kind of depth, all of which were mostly unconnected, and were glued together with weird filler content that had 0 real impact on the story or characters
The only hope for dragon ball right now is the upcoming anime dragon ball diama, I'm hoping that since it seems to be a standalone project that has heavy involvement from toriyama, it can be more similar to how the movies are, and have real story telling with more deep themes and plot points, obviously since it's still just a continuation of dbs, it can't be that much of a step up in quality since the dbs anime basically gutted any chance of dragon ball being a deep and overarching story, but I hope that diama can at least function as a extremely good standalone story, and it forgets about all of the flawed plot points dbs has barried itself 6 feet underneath in
"Can I have whatever he is smoking"
Mr. Pope, I think whatever he smoke, even the drug cartel wouldn't even touch
Hah, Mr. Popo doesn't give a Popo about the drug cartel.
His Abridged version, that is.
-Wait, I- -think I misread.-
Which is a worse crime against cinemanity? Dragonball: Evolution or M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender?
I wish I could pick both
At least the last air bender try to be fateful to its Source material dragon ball Evolution just dose what ever the fuck it wants and only use the title and the characters
yes
Dragonball: Evolution
Evolution...no doubt. I bet it’s in the same league as super mario movie 😂
I, the non DBZ fan, and my friend, who was a heavy DBZ fan, saw this movie in theaters. We expected nothing less of something you'd see on Saturday being insulted by two robots and a guy with shadows. We got that, and did most of the insulting.
MST’s movie choices are gloriously bad; this is just bad.
Akira Toriyama - "At the time of the Hollywood movie, the live-action Dragon Ball, the script had too little of a grasp on the world and its characteristics, and on top of that, it had a conventional content that I couldn't find interesting, so I cautioned them, and suggested changes; but in spite of that, they seemed to have a strange confidence, and didn't really listen to me. What came out in the end was a movie I couldn't really call a Dragon Ball that lived up to my expectations."
"Forget super Saiyan, this boi super SIMPIN" - Mother's Basement 2020
I didn't know there was a straight up wrong way to spend quarantine time, but I guess such a thing has been found
Everyone: 2009: Dragon ball evolution is so bad
Mothers basement: 11 years later: Dragon ball ball evolution sucks!!
It takes time to prepare yourself for the horror...
Jeff has been powering up a spirit bomb to destroy this movie the entire time.
. its nice to see someone parody some of the over reactions to this film while still saying yeah its actually worse than you think or worse than the nerds overeacting to it claim cause of the production alone like studio medling writing acting stunt work and editing not even counting how it totally disrespects the source material on purpose while trying to do something new and failing at it trying to make that Spiderman money and copy it just using goku cause fox sucks ....cause unlike most mother's basement actually knows what hes talking about..hes not just venting for views taking about a series he doesn't know about he actually cares about dragonball clearly with his knowledge unlike most reviewers hes not just reviewing something popular and funny he doesn't care about for views he can review anything anime related and get views... he chose this cause he wanted to period and he broke it down very well why it fails as a movie as a adaptation and just as a story
It’s legendary (it sucks)
It is never too late to point out how shitty Dragon Ball Evolution is, both as a movie and as an adaptation of Dragon Ball.
I remember showing my sister this movie, who didn't know anything about DBZ. Never forget her asking "Is Goku supposed to be Canadian?"
"So I watched Dragon Ball Evolution"
I mean, virus death rate is just 3%, I could take my chances...
@Jos Still a better chance.
@@Dark.Shingo always better than this
Ben Ramsey apologized for the film, writing: "To have something with my name on it as the writer be so globally reviled is gut-wrenching. To receive hate mail from all over the world is heartbreaking. I went into the project chasing after a big payday, not as a fan of the franchise but as a businessman taking on an assignment. I have learned that when you go into a creative endeavour without passion you come out with sub-optimal results, and sometimes flat out garbage. So I'm not blaming anyone for Dragonball [Evolution] but myself."
Well, at least there was a lesson learned. I hope he didn't get death threats or anything.
The funny thing is that he didn't, later retracted the apology blaming literally everyone else, and tried to promote his more recent work in the same statement. I'm pretty confident that he only ever apologized in a failed attempt to save his career, and his revision of the apology was another attempt at the same - seemingly having realized that hollywood favours the 'stupid but successful' over smart self-aware failures. He essentially said that his script was great and it was everyone else's fault that the film ended up like this - which it partially is, given how badly this all reeks of executives - and even said Disney should try remaking it with his original script. You know, the one that he wrote for cash with virtually no knowledge of the series and which Toriyama both read and thought was shit.
Remember, the actor for King Piccolo (James Marsters) went on to be the English voice for Zamasu. Talk about a redemption story.
Didn't know that, That's awesome
They likely discovered that a talented actor was a fan of the original material and they figured to give him a chance.
Michael M James Marsters actually became a fan while preparing for Evolution, which only made him angry at the movie being the travesty that it is. Funimation probably noticed this & gave Marsters a chance to do right by the series he grew to love.
Neoxon Speaking of which. I’d like to hear the phone call between him and Funimation.
I’ve never liked Dragonball, but I did watch the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie, so I know how you guys feel.
Hey I liked both so just imagine that heartbreak...
Just kidding! When I heard Avatar was being adapted by Shyamalan all hope died within me from that point onward and backward, like a ripple through my personal timeline and protected me from ever getting my hopes up for either the TLA or DB adaptations so I'm all good!
I mean... my soul's a vacuum of hope and expectations but I feel life would've eventually done that to me anyway so ALL GOOD!!!
@@vetreas366 maybe we all misunderstood. Maybe they adapted the fire nation's theatre play of the avatar story and we just thought they were going for the real deal
@Aiko 244 damn...
Dragon Ball evolution....
I refuse to acknowledge that it ever existed outside of absolute necessity
Dragon ball what?
Me too 😂
Yeah this looks terrible and embarrassing.
My daughter has asked to watch this movie a few times (because of the dragonball name attached to it).
She continues to wonder why I say this film doesn't actually exist.
It is because of "dragon ball evolution" that Akira Toriyama made "dragon ball z battle of gods", out of spite.
"Hurry, we're not printing money fast enough!" *Cuts to ad* "my money wasn't doing anything for me."
Dear god I hope that was intentional.
UA-cam Cares TM
Dragon ball Evolution is like two big middle fingers to it's source materials.
Thank you for roasting it
I wonder if Akira looks back on this film & shudders at the fact he was an executive producer.
Shyamalan's The Last Airbender though is like two middle fingers on the source material while he shits on it.
@@XavierScratch1987 he has a huge distaste for it its why he is back he was mad at what happened to his series
@@DivineeTray I would be too if I found out this happened to it
@@serge263 I'd argue that DBE is worse than TLA movie, in TLA at least characters and power sets are closer to the actual show, DBE "Goku" is literally the opposite of Goku (teenager, horny, doesn't want to go on his journey to fit that overused "hero's journey trope" overall the most generic protagonist you can make) and the whole story is turned into the most generic Kung Fu movie possible.
I have a theory this entire movie was a fever dream of Gohan when he was taken by Piccolo to train, which is why everything is messed up.
Pickle dad tho
Or after he ate the fruit in Garlic Junior's lair
@@CORBYEETS,
Pickle Dad?... I believe the correct term is "THE BIG GREEN".
So much of this movie is weirdly accurate to the source material while totally butchering it at the same time that I choose to believe it’s an in-universe movie made by someone who only knew the broad strokes of Goku’s life
All these years after watching this I only now realize Roshi, Bulma, Yamcha and Mai were in it....
Ha. Yeah the only one that you could argue that even remotely looks like their character is "Mai", and that's only after you stretch your imagination like her skinsuit. Roshi's look is acceptable, but only because it seemed like they actually put some thought into who should play him. A pox on the other two though. If they didn't waste money on giving "Yamcha's" bleached tips maybe they could've used it to make Bulma's hair bluer than one lock.
James Marsters is the best part of this movie. 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Fun fact: he did the voice of Zamasu in Super.
That's actually pretty cool, guess he is a real fan.
Sam Sherrington he was apparently the reason Piccolo stayed green in this film. He’s the main reason this film has the few good elements it does
@@samsherrington7423 a fan who got wasted by a dumb movie like this. That's kinda sad. It's like a person who likes chocolate cake and someone gave him the cake but it has a brick in it.
Yea I felt bad when he would speak on his kids being excited about him being in the movie. Smh. Bruh was legit excited to be part of it
It's kinda sad that even the creator of this dumpster fire admitted that this was a cash grab and not an attempt to make a live action movie. 😔😔
You're talking about the screenwriter. He didn't even write the final version of the film, he sent in many drafts each less faithful to the source material than the last as they kept getting rejected. Apparently many modifications were made even to the final script he gave them.
@Meem Ain Not the screenwriter, he likely communicated with the director or even a manager.
11:55
"Super-simpin' "
I should not have been drinking water at that moment.
I was so confused when I first saw dragon ball evolution because I had only ever seen dragon ball z So when I watched it I convinced myself it was a fever dream for a few years
Even knowing Dragon Ball wouldn’t have helped with how badly this thing was screwed up.
Isn't it better not to know the source material since the adaptation is so bad
living Octopus LMAOO