THE ABYSS (1989) 4K Ultra HD VS DVD Comparison
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CORRECTION: After talking with a friend confirming this. Fox did not just take the film away from Cameron and butcher it. Cameron agreed to cut down the film to 2hrs & 20mins for a stronger box office run. And the plan was to release the Director's Cut later.
he did a recent interview where he discussed that they screened both versions and they both tested poorly, so he got cold feet and said let's just go with the shorter version then. they saved a little time and money not finishing the wave sequence. But yes it was his decision to cut the scenes.
The biggest change in the 4k is the introduction of the aqua colour. Whilst it brings out more colour and contrast, you lose the feeling of depth that the deep blue brings. The aqua color makes it look like the whole movie is 10 metres under water !
Yeah, my brain broke when I first heard this -- Cameron has never relinquished control of a cut of a film to a studio, ever. Glad you corrected the error here.
Great review. It might not be perfect but it deff looks as though we got a much better image than ever before.
Been waiting years for this one, my fav Cameron film ! Thanks!
The Abyss has been one of my 10 favorite films ever since I saw it on HBO as a kid, so I have a soft spot for the theatrical cut but I absolutely think the director's cut is the definitive version.
I saved up my allowance and bought the directors cut Laserdisc in 1993 even though I didn't have a player (I rented one and dubbed it to VHS so I could watch it over and over again.)
It's absolutely the better version and the reason why my biggest complaint of this release is that it defaults to the theatrical cut, which should be an extra on a seperate disc.
But you have a naked butt in the extended edition's wave scene that was not in the laserdisc/DVD version due a bad reframe. I was watching a great movie and suddenly I'm watching a terrible butt, er, film. 🤦🏻♂️
i'll be glad when this directors cut on Blu-ray FINALLY arrives in Australia! better late than never!
May not happen. Disney don’t release in Australia anymore 😢
@@giles852002 aaarg! Disney Owns James Cameron too?! I noticed Avatar and the like were on their Disney channel. Lot of stuff i buy has to come from overseas anyway but still, do they realize how many people still buy physical media?
I had only 2 problems with the abyss on 4k 2 scenes that's it but I had no problems with color on the 4k release at all I don't know why people can't calibrate there 4k setups correctly.
If the aliens at the end of the film look wrong your 4k bluray player is dropping framerates.
Disable VRR
Disable VRRC
fixes everything
The remaster is heavily teal-biased. But it's the only way you can officially get the movie in high def.
It has the worst example of current day 4k "Remasters" (more like Disaster), with too much film grain reduced, too much noise reduction in general, oversaturation of colors, colors being changed, stupid filters applied. I thought everybody learned from the Terminator 2 4K trainwreck, but apparently nobody did and some morons even like crap just because it's 4K
The DVD have a slight pinkish tone that seem to happen to a lot of transfers back in the day. Probably related to monitor technology at that time.
@@ghostviggen pinkish tone David lync filter
@@nuznikas or Never The Same Color.
@@ghostviggen That's the general color scheme of the movie though. If you compare some shots inside the oil rig to the new 4K, the old DVD is far more neutrally color-timed. It's just a shame it's SD and a terrible transfer at that not even being full screen.
It lools amazing. I have my copy. BUT, why the hell they put the butt of that extra in the extended wave scene if in the Laserdisc/DVD/Canal + copies the frame is cut in that guy wrist and you can not see the paint down + butt thing. I really don't understand that Cameron's decission.
I prefer the theatrical cut. It's been my favorite movie since I first saw it in 1995
I agree. Also there is not a naked butt goof due a badly done reframe that was not in the DVD/ laserdisc.
I cancelled my pre-order days back because of the rumors, but this looks FANTASTIC 😲
Never listen the rumors, hope you learned the lesson.
That's why I keep saying Never listen to reviews or peoples thoughts on social media unless it is from legit reliable sources. People love to spread hate
If you love a movie and want it, almost always buy it. Different people have different thresholds for the look they want out of a release
I'm pretty sure most of that outrage was coming from people that hadn't even seen it for themselves. They were just pissed at the principal of the matter.
Why did you listen to a bunch of idiots, if you like the movie and obviously its going to be better than dvd then get it, not rocket science.
Since the Abyss is only has a 4:3 letterbox DVD. The 4K version have to be pretty bad not to be an improvement.
Glad to know this is available. Going to order it from AMAZON now. Thanks.
$67.99? No. No I'm not.
Would have been epic if you still had the 2 copies of True Lies in that garbage can when you tossed in The Abyss DVD
What sound system are u using if u don't mind me asking?
Hi, thanks for your review.
Can I ask you a few simple questions:
I was always told that if you could see bars to the side and the bottom of the image then it WAS originally an Anamorphic print and any such DVD would have "enhanced for widescreen TVs" marked on the packaging like the THX special edition DVD of the Abyss has?
Were the images you displayed HDR 10 or Dolby Vision?
- I don't remember seeing the film at the cinema with such muted colours.
Considering your comparing a 525 resolution to 2160p it doesn't reveal that much more information (or sharper) It does rather beg the question: what print did they master from?
I look forward to your comments 👍🙂
from what Ive been told and reported on they restored it from the original camera negative. Just because you don't remember it being dull, doesn't mean that's not how it looks on DVD and at the time we had nothing else to compare it to. As for anamorphic, unless it says on the DVD packaging 16:9 anamorphic. Then it's not anamorphic. Anamorphic didn't really happen until 2005/2006 circa when 16:9 HD/4K Tv's become available. Before then there was no need to have an anamorphic image because all we had was 4x3 CRT TV's. True Lies & The Abyss DVD's are well known to not have anamorphic widecreen.
@@TwinFlicks funny thing is I would say that there is a colour vibrancy to the DVD that is more consistent with what I saw at the cinema.
You mention The 4K Blu-ray had more of aqua hue to it?
which is why I was also interested to know which tone maping you were using HDR10 or Dolby Vision.
I'd like to think that if the film camera negative was used then there would be no need to use such aggressive AI when correcting (restoring) the print for transfer 🤣.
I'm trying to remember what format was the last official release for the UK: vhs, laserdisc or dvd.
I have the US special edition DVD because it was the only way to get the theatrical release and the special edition versions.
If I want the 4K release I'm also going to have to buy it from the US because there is no UK release for this film due to the censorship disagreement. 😭
I can't recall seeing any discs that said anamorphic since it was a process for projection lenses and not a tv picture process. a progressive scan picture from a component input back in the day is going to look very different to a DVD being played through a HDMI today.
Looks amazing
This is me! My versipn of the DVD and I just got the 4K release as well! 😁
From the comparisons, thanks, can't agree 4K shin tones look better. However detail has greatly increased.
Bought on digital last year and watched for the first time but it was only the theatrical cut. Got the physical 4k last week and definitely going to watch the special edition.
I think the special edition have aged worse compared to the theatrical version.
While I'm not a fan of AI restoring and any "recreation". I definitely trust James Cameron on giving deeply accurate colors on how underwater should look in The Abyss. It's obvious that old DVD definitely lost lot of hidden colors, especially on small items. He went lot of underwater exploring and gained accurate experiences over decades, especially went to titanic underwater in real life many times. I rather go with new 4k recreation for bolder richer colors, instead of the old lesser dvd copy.
The abyss seem to be his best recreation out of three. Only True Lies is badly affected, while Aliens survived decently on 4k somehow. Aliens is mostly blu-ray upscale unfortunately, but I do keep both old blu-ray and 4k. Especially James Cameron's 4k recreations is better choice for modern viewers who are not into old films much.
The Abyss looks great overall a few waxy shots but nothing like Aliens or True Lies.
Aliens doesn't look bad either. No where like True Lies Does.
Had to import this one as it's been blocked in the UK by the BBFC (because of the rat scene in its uncut form). Can't wait to get my hands on it! I've been making do with the SE DVD for the last decade or however long it's been. It's the one film where I have had to knock my projector/TV out of 16:9 mode and use one of the zoom modes to fill the screen properly. Given the run time of the movie, it's one on those films that I wish had spanned two DVD's back in the day; with all the animated menus on top the film was always very compressed to fit on a single DVD.
In my head canon, Avatar and The Abyss both happen in the same universe, and I imagined a scene in which Norm in the 2150s tells Jake about that time the cold war came to an abrupt end right around the time humans made their first contact with alien life.
I can't wait to get my copy of The Abyss, Aliens and True Lies
I won’t be binning my DVD. It was one of the first DVDs I ever bought so it has sentimental value- and I love the animated menus. If it had only been anamorphic, I would be binning the not messed with 4K disc. By the way I enjoy your videos but it is “ non- anamorphic” not “ none- anamorphic”. People are always mixing up non and none. Not sure why.
I own the DVD Collector Edition, same as yours, and the difference between the 4K is not even comparable. The DVD look awful on my 4K 64" OLED, I didn't set my TV to stretched to fill the screen because the image would be even worse. The 4K look and sound fantastic on all reviews I've saw since the release of the discs. A must buy and waiting for my copy since my preorder.
Comparing a 480p DVD to an 2160p 4K with HDR and Dolby Vision, is like comparing apples to oranges. I don't understand why anybody would want to compare a DVD to a 4K movie with HDR and Dolby Vision anyway! It's practically a waste of time because you know the 4K is going to look significantly better.
@@slimdude2011 For sure, everyone knows that, don't need to be a genius to know it will look like garbage on a modern TV 😉 I look at the DVD for 2 mins on my OLED just for curiosity. I've been waiting for a HD release since forever but now, I'm waiting my Amazon copy on 4K since few weeks already 🙂
@slimdude2011 yup but people don't know or understand the difference like we do. And it's interesting to see the progression in film restoration from then to now
@@slimdude2011that’s not true. Compare the dvd and 4K for lord of the rings and you can see how a bad 4K can ruin a films details even in the highest resolution.
4k is better, but the colors of dvd look fantastic.
Blacks and contrast and color timing look better in some cases of the screenshots here. 😜
..yeah.. give me the dvd ..maybe it's me.
You often say in your videos that the current look of the movie you're reviewing is "more appropriate" or accurate. And I just want to understand how you know that? Like how do you know that the current color grade is more faithful to the original theatrical color and that the darker blues in the previous dvd were incorrect? Did you compare to an original 35mm print?
Because 1. Its the Director's orgrinal color deisgn that fit the visual language and tone of the movie. That he approved and supervised to make sure its accurate 2. When comparing the 2 formats side by side the 4K color garding sometimes does look more appropriate or accurate for the scene/s
And how do you know? Do you remember in 1989 how this movie looked in theaters? Did you interview the projectionist and examine the projector and all the film reels? Did you inspect the audio system from 1989 too? You remember all of that? The reason we know that these 4K releases are color correct is because we know what certain objects look like in real life with real eye balls. So when you see a caucasian skin tone that looks like Caucasian skin, and not say, blue, then we know its correct.
@@CobrettiKai No I don't know. Hence me asking a question. I wanted to know how he knows that. Calm down
@@TwinFlicks thank you for answering. I guess the point I'm not understanding is whether this is the color design as it was approved back in '89 or whether this is a new color design as he prefers it now. Which may in fact be dramatically different. As we see in some of those darker blues and purple tones on the older dvd for example.
You said that Fox took the movie from him and cut 30 minutes out. That's not entirely accurate. Cameron did the cuts himself. Part of the reason why he did it was because they couldn't render the wave properly in CG at the time, and so they had to cut that sequence and the other sideplots that were connected to it. Everything else made it into the film. I agree with you that the special edition is the definitive edition, and the one that is worth watching, but you can still get all the core action scenes and an understanding of what the creatures do in the theatrical cut.
Yes I corrected myself in the comments about this. Thanks.
When I saw the special edition in theater I reflected how the extra scenes aged to movie more. I think I prefer the theatrical version.
@@ghostviggenThe theatrical cut doesn't have a proper ending though, and the film as a whole becomes less meaningful as a commentary of society
@@Pocketkid2 the commentary is a bit 80s cheesiness to it. It didn’t age well.
Olor reproduction looks on 4k as on eny othe movie made with digital cameras
I can't afford to upgrade my system to 4k, it would require replacing my projector as well as my disk player.
But is the Bluray in this set also significantly better quality?
A 4K disc player can output 4K in HD. It’s a cheap investment. My Panasonic also have a nice HDR to SDR conversion.
@@ghostviggenI don't have a 4k television. I use a projector mounted on the ceiling, with a 9ft screen.
I'd have to replace both the Bluray player as well as the projector.
I've looked into it. It's not cheap where I live.
@@MREmusique You don’t have to replace the projector. You can watch 4K discs on a HD projector.
It’s the same remaster so yes the normal blu-ray will look great also
Yes the bluray is sourced from the same 4K master.
Great review as always - I found very similar findings in my analysis. BY FAR the best we’ve seen on home physical media.
I think the blue color from the dvd looks way better than the green in the 4k … I also prefer the brighter more Sarurated color of the neon aliens coloration
Ocean water is generally green, not blue.
It’s not blue but more of a pink/blue tone. Older releases almost never got the color right.
@@CobrettiKai…….It’s not a documentary.
I had no issues with the abyss make sure VRR and VRRC are not enabled on your TV
To be clear, as a new envisioning of The Abyss the 4K disc is a stunner. Cameron obviously prefers a clean digital look with eye-popping colors and extremely sharp contrasts. And this is it without a doubt: the new version of his film, the way he wants is to be today. One thing it definitely isn’t: a technical restoration that brings the movie we know to the new home video format while keeping it true to the original. And that should be mentioned on the cover: “Cameron’s new visual interpretation of his old film.” And I would be OK with that, because it would be honest. The way they are marketing this product ain’t. And since there’s no other version to choose from it is, in all actuality, cinematic revisionism and the opposite of film preservation. But I’m not really surprised. Cameron has shown time and again that he has no real integrity towards his own oeuvre. BTW: I would rate this in two ways: As a new movie I would give it a 4/5 (or 4.5/5 if you will) picture-wise. As a 4K of an old movie I’d rate it a 2/5.
But you don't say anything about that BUTT in the beach of the tidal wave scene than WAS NOT IN THE DVD!
The 4K looks way too green.
you mean like the majority of ocean water appears to the human eye? clear blue Caribbean water is kind of rare
@@CobrettiKai That doesn’t explain why the skintones are green.
@@paul987 The DVD had pink skin tones.
I'm not crazy about that aquamarine green in the 4K, but it's Cameron's vision.
AFAIK James Cameron was the one who decided to cut the theatrical runtime down because he didnt think a wide audience would watch a long sci-fi film
Yes I corrected this in the comments. It was a mutual decsion between him and FOX
Would like to see 4k comparison shots vs the Blu Ray. I have the original DVD and it looks terrible.
There's no difference. The bluray is sourced for the exact same 4K transfer. Everything looks the same except in 1080p resolution and doesn't have HDR10 or Dolby Vison. So on youtube you wouldn't tell a difference
Cameron is obsessed with 'Teal'. The greens are way too heavy in the 4k of all his films, T2 being the main culprit.
Yeah I watched the comparison of the DVD to blu ray to 4k and yeah all the scenes are now tealy
Dude i have both there is no comparison
My 4K TV automatically fixes the non-anamorphic DVD. But the image still really sucks
You should try watching the 4k,it does look great 👌👌
@@orlando691001 Again, i cant wait
It zooms in, it doesn't fix.
Yeah you have “fill screen” or “stretch” enabled for that to happen. You literally haven’t been watching movies in the correct aspect ratio the entire time
Yes because it zooms in. So everything zoomed in makes the image look terrible. Where you can see all the pixelation and blurriness and so on.
lol that DVD was literally unwatchable and the 4K and the blu-ray look excellent in my opinion!
Though this one is great, not all Director's Cuts are created equally.....And, aside from being non-anamorphic, I'm realizing the DVD really doesn't suck. The color timing is strictly a matter of preference.
It's strictly a matter of how the colors were deisgned and the dvd is wrong. It's very blown out and purple tones hide details.
@@TwinFlicks Wrong according to whom? James Cameron? Directors and cinematographers change how they want their movies to look - all the time. John Carpenter is notorious for it. He and Dean Cundey have approved like four or five different versions of "Halloween," each with a different color timing. The Thing is another one where they have approved a couple and all of them look different. George Lucas is another one who changes stuff all the time... Pick the one you think looks the best and quit trying to tell everybody that x version is wrong. Even different filmprints can alter the way the colors come through.
A color grade that isn't accurate to the original theatrical color grade is revisionism. Not restoration.
And that's what is never clear to me in these videos. How do we know whether this current version is "more appropriate" or accurate? Was there a comparison between this and a 35mm print? Or are we just relying on what the studio, Cameron or any director says is their current preference?
Fans have every right to be mad when a director decides to dramatically alter a movie's look, sound, etc. It's fine if they do that, label it as such and have it available as an option. But they need to be upfront about that and preferably offer the original version as an option.
@@rickr8173 I always get a good chuckle from people who pretend to remember the exact color grade from the theaters in the 1980s
Twin Flicks you are doing the same thing telling everyone the dvd is wrong. TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE . All you are doing is trying to push 4k on everyone!!!! I will not buy 4k because all of your reviews on 4k there is always something wrong with it and other UA-cam channels complain ALSO. TAKE CARE TO EACH THERE OWN!!!!!!
Why have they been making modern movies from the 2000’s and up so teal/green ? It doesn’t look natural. Real life has more blue tones from the moon not teal.
Movies are not real life. Colors are there for creating emotions. Red feels warm, blue feels cold.
But older movies often had wrong colors. Mastering for NTSC displays.
It’s a very good 4k.. bottom line… complainers gunna complain
Yikes why is it so green. Cameron films always have a cold blue look. Yikes.
It's aqua with steely blue. That's how it always was intended to look. It was changed to purples and blues on the home media releases
Your so high its unbelievable gameover !!
That's the way all his films look, heavy cyan bias.
I just watched aliens last night. And I was incredibly impressed with the overall presentation and sound. I am really looking forward to getting The abyss and I may skip true lies. Unless I stumble across a used copy for reasonable money
Really don't understand the hate and vitriol this and the other two Cameron films are getting.
No 4k of films from 30 years+ ago is perfect. They all have scenes that look soft and blurry, because they were shot out of focus, or whatever the reason. They ALL utilise image processing, be it DNR, sharpening, some kind of AI, colour correction, whatever...
People are going nuts over these films. The hysteria is insane.
Agree these people are so insane and just want to complain because their lives are so horrible
Thank you! You should see the shit storm under my True Lies review to the point people were telling me to kill myself. It's become absolutely ridiculous.
@@TwinFlicks There is many very sick humans out there that feel that they can say anything they want because they are hidden behind there keyboard. They know you are right 100 percent and people just want to be stuck in the negative hateful world. If I hear smooth , DNR or waxy one more time Im going to erupt. They know you are right @twinflicks and it kills them
@@TwinFlicks I thought True Lies looked excellent. Much better than the digital copy from last year.
Is it perfect? No. It's another one with some poorly shot and blurry scenes, and a badly degraded negative.
"Yeh but The Wizard Of Oz was old and degraded and its 4k doesn't look like this!!"
*sighs*
People aren't happy with the transfers and they're expressing that. That's what these forums are for. The transfers _do_ alter the original look of the films, that much is undenyable. It may not bother you, but it bothers a lot of people.
Excellent Review ,Thanks for making my mind up , I will buy this one ive been hanging to watch a better version for years I'll be giving True lies and Aliens a miss though "Unless they pop up very very Cheap down here in Oz", Bruh we no throw our Physical Media away
Aliens looks great too. Nothing Wrong with Aliens
Can't believe they cancelled this release in Britain. What a joke.
To me it seems to look pretty good indeed. ;) It does look a bit like "it was shot yesterday" digitally, but to me that is not necessarily a bad thing.
it looks all green. horrible 🤣
Mmhmm sure 😂🤣
Oh no, the dvd looks better....
Depends in what way you mean. He mentioned skin tones look better on the 4K. I completely disagree. Plus the 4K looks HEAVILY teal-biased. Plus the DVD doesn't have those overly DNR'd shots. I can live with a Dolby Surround track.
@@stonesfan285you mean the original audio 😂 yeah I can live with that over some new mix made for a 4K disc
@@stonesfan285 LOL
DVD look better then 4K
No way, only dvd better color.
We can’t get it . Been withdrawn due to the rat getting drowned scene. 🇬🇧 😢 wokes!😡
Yeah I heard abot that. Really dumb decision. can you import it?? Or find a 3rd party seller?
This video really need more views.
How to milk the audience: re-release the ultra super 4k widescreen pretty color version every 4 years in November so suckers can buy as a Christmas gift for someone 🤣🤣
4k Version does look like a video game as every camerons 4k releases yet.
If you watch the tidal wave beach scene closely, you'll see a guy pull another guy's shorts down. 🙃
The more you know... 🌈
again they destroy the original grading and go… 4.5 stars? By not respecting the color that the director of photography did, I give it 3 stars and I am happy with the person who did this color grading.
Your so high is amazing
Don’t get me wrong. The 4K is worlds better than the outdated DVD. But all things considered it’s still a very disappointing release as the image looks very very soft. Again I’m happy to own this am true lies as we didn’t even get North American Blu-rays so obviously I will take what we got but honestly really disappointing and underwhelming release’s considering we have no choice but to “settle” for these releases. Cameron is the modern day George Lucas when it comes to physical media.
4k is sold out, decided to purchase the DVD special edition for 9 bucks. Watched the theatrical cut dozens of times on VHS. Special edition in theater back in the 90s.
Perhaps when it's available on 4k again I will buy it
@@zzygyy the 4k of the abyss is mass produced so look for Disney to keep manufacturing more copies over the coming weeks/months. Don't worry this one is coming back in stock very soon.
I just watched it on my Epson 5050UB and 120" projector screen. It's one of the sharpest movies I've seen on the format. Obviously certain composite shots are soft by nature, but we were marveling at how much detail there was. I don't see how anyone can call this movie on the whole "soft".
@@nickharris5231 even watching this on a bleeding edge Sony QD-OLED you can tell the image looks soft for 60% to 70% of the movie. Sure you've got some shots that are done better than others. But its still subpar compared to modern day remasterings of say stanley kubricks 1968 (2001 a space odyssey) Go put in the 4k of 2001 in your 4k play on your large projector screen and then follow it up with Abyss 4k and you will see the difference is jarring. 2001 looks miles better. And that is unacceptable considering that movie came over 20 years before abyss did.
What? It doesn't look soft at all.
Many films from this era have varying quality throughout... one shot will look sharp and clear and then the next shot from a different angle looks soft and blurry... it's the way they were filmed.
DVD looks better.
You must be so bored in your basement
@@tdg223 He's not wrong. Look at the screenshots. Maybe it's just the way the colors come through with screenshots, but the new one is HEAVILY teal-biased. The skin tones do not look more natural on the 4K. The 4K is also heavily DNR'd where the DVD is not. James Cameron might be a legendary director, but he sure doesn't know how to color his films accurately.
@@stonesfan285 omg it looks awesome, you guys are getting way to picky, it 4k it sbetter than dvd no matter what lol, you guys are looking for things. ITs better than dvd and if you like the movie buy it and stop watching reviews
@@stonesfan285 your so wrong its sad! Keep your dvds and beta tapes
@@tdg223 Why am I wrong? Most of my collection is Blu-ray, but in this case I think the DVD is just less futzed with.