Joseph also asked for the wives of some of his most faithful followers including members of the Q12. By cherry picking a narriative here it seems like you are trying to confirm your own biases rather than tell an accurate historical narriative. By their fruits ye shall know them.
Well the emotional context was simply that JS didn’t want anything to do with polygamy. His tactics in fulfilling the commandments reflect his. If he wanted to just marry a whole bunch of women for sex, there were more effective methods he could’ve used.
@@mcable217 as far as i know, after JS was threatened the first time, he wasn’t visited again. He continued taking on additional wives with varying sealing commitments (life and or eternity, etc). In my eyes the commandment was a God given test of faith.
Not making any moral judgements but it seems interesting to me that celebrities of our modern time get a pass on polygamy although we don't call it polygamy... An argument can be made that its more moral to marry who you sleep with rather than running through hundreds and sometimes thousands of people.
@@nathanielellis3457 who said I was totally fine with celebs preying on kids, married women, and cheating on their partners? Not me. Because I'm not. But none of them are claiming to be prophets who speak directly to and for God. HUGE difference.
Only... they were sealed... not having sex... disgusting is being so gross that you relate it to sex Also you like to bring up "14yr of girl, 14yr old brrrrhhrrrrrrr hurrrrr 14 year old girls!.... It was THE FREAKING 1840s... he was 34 not 70..... he was not doing it to have sex... and if he did..... well..... Moses made mistakes, Jonah did..... Daniel did... all prophets are natural man not Jesus.
An anti Mormon PhD historian did honest research on polygamy, his name is Dr. Don Bradley. Don only sought full and true context for actual church history. Removing all the spin by anti Mormons like above. Point by point he proves that Joseph Smith never stole other men's wives, ever. No husbands complain about Smith marrying their wife. Ever! No children now in the hundreds ever said Joseph Stole their mother from their dad. Truth always comes out from the kids! No 14 year old wife exists. Her father only sealed the girl to Joseph and was only effective after her death, why? She married another man almost living next door. No children exist except by 1st side Emma! Proven recently after expensive DNA test results. The women Joseph did marry were pregnant and at that time having sex was thought to be dangerous. The children born were sealed to Joseph but we're not his seed. I will show you from Bible prophecy that a true modern prophet had no choice but to restore biblical Israel by restoring polygamy. Watch this.
@@nathanielellis3457What does this mean? Dr. Don Bradley a non Mormon historian disproves that the 14 year old girl never married Smith. See Don Bradley interview.
When you know this is guy’s arguments are bull because you’ve done the research. Apologists count on their audience to be ignorant of the facts so they can make spurious arguments like this.
How do you explain when some of these men were on missions and were faithful? Not to mention in the commandments, it’s against God‘s laws to marry someone else that’s already taken!
Great question. All of the men knew about it, surprisingly. JS was sealed to a couple of females who were already married, but he didn’t consummate those as they were only sealings and not marriages. There are 10,000+ points of documented accounts of JSs life that if I had the time to read it all I’d do it. It’s fascinating the record keeping that the LDS kept, even if it seemingly paints us in a vague light sometimes. There was nothing sexual in nature about the sealings or the marriages. Our doctrine points to many reasons why we get married and sealed, one of those is that we’re bringing spirit children to mortality to gain a body and to be tested prior to eternal life. It all actually makes a ton of sense. Not everyone on earth worships at the feet of sexual conquests and perversion like the worldly doctrine of the devil worshippers do…
@@dcarts5616 I’m sorry but you’re wrong! There’s evidence of him trying to repeatedly get with a woman and she kept saying no, but later after she was married then she was pushed into it! Besides, none of that matters as it’s against the commandments! Priests must only marry virgins as it says in the laws of the lord! Even in D&C 132 it says only virgins!
@@ballardfx1140 I’m sorry you feel you’ve got all the answers. Go listen to Don Bradley talk about it in the full video. You sound like you know about an inch of a topic that’s 100 feet deep.
He sent men on missions, who were clearly faithful, then married their wives. He gave a revelation declaring polygamy was to multiply and replenish the Earth: sex. The rubber around your wire is not about context. It’s about insulating members from the facts.
Latter-day Saints consider eternal marriage to be an ordinance necessary for exaltation, assuming the parties involved stay true to the covenants they make, and that these sealings will link us to each other. Back then, there were marriages performed that took place for this life only or in the next life only. According to the historical record and the women, The sealings to women who already had husbands were for eternity-only and these women continued to live with their husbands like normal. Now, let us look at “did Joseph Smith send men on missions to marry their wives” The evidence suggests that 14 out of Joseph’s 35 wives had legal husbands while also being sealed to Joseph. The husbands of Mary Elizabeth Rollins, Ruth Vose, and Sarah Kingsley were not members of the Church and thus were not serving missions when these women were sealed to Joseph. Presendia Huntington was sealed to Joseph on December 11th, 1841. Her husband was inactive at the time and thus was not on a mission. Sarah Ann Whitney was not married to anyone else at the time she was sealed to Joseph. Thus, no husband on a mission. Sylvia Sessions was married to Windsor Lyon. She was most likely sealed to Joseph sometime after Windsor had been excommunicated on November 19th, 1842. Thus, not on a mission. Some believe the sealing happened in February 1842. In any case, a variety of documents place him in Nauvoo in 1842. We know next to nothing about Joseph’s sealings to Elizabeth Davis. However, there is no record that Elizabeth’s husband (Jabez Durfee) ever served a mission. So that's 7/14 that automatically weren’t on missions. Patty Bartlett was sealed to Joseph on March 9, 1842. Various records place her husband, David Sessions, in Nauvoo at this time. He actually served as a juror the day after the sealing. Thus, he was not on a mission (8/14). Zina Huntington was sealed to Joseph on October 27, 1841. Her husband, Henry Jacobs, was not a missionary at this time because his mission didn’t start until January of the next year (9/14). Elvira Cowles was sealed to Joseph on June 1, 1843. Her husband, Jonathan Holmes, was a shoemaker in Nauvoo and according to accounting records of his store he was not on a mission at this time. (10/14) We know next to nothing about Joseph’s sealings to Esther Dutcher and Mary Heron. Their husbands, Albert Smith and John Snider, did serve missions but since we don’t know when (or even if) Esther and Mary were sealed to Joseph we don’t know if there was any overlap. Scholars don’t believe Lucinda Pendleton was sealed to Joseph Smith. Even if she was sealed to Joseph, we don’t have a sealing date. Some have suggested 1838. Brian Hales’ safe estimate was that it probably wouldn’t have occurred after July 1841. Her husband, George Harris, did serve a mission between July 1840 and September 1841. If she was sealed to Joseph, it could have been while her husband was away, but we just don’t know, so this one is inconclusive as well. That leaves us with one more case to consider, Joseph’s sealing to Marinda Johnson. There are two possible dates for the sealing: Either April of 1842 or May of 1843, or she could have been sealed to Joseph on both dates. If she was sealed to Joseph in April 1842, then her husband, Orson Hyde, would have been away as a missionary but by April 1842, he would have been gone for almost two years. (11/14) So 11/14 husbands definitely weren’t sent on missions so Joseph Smith could marry their wives and 3/14 have little records for the marriages even happening. I think it is safe to say that “Joseph Smith sent men on missions to marry their wives” is a false statement.
@@Alphawhino Why? To be clear. I want to understand what you mean by consent. Are we talking about knowledge of sex? Knowledge of marriage? Maturity? What is your definition?
The context I believe is that it was on purpose to support that it wasn't sexually motivated. He also married muliple severely pregnant women where it would have been taboo for husband's to sleep with them. He married mosty pregnant women and old widows and very young women which would be strange if sexually motivated. That's much better context
@@nathanielellis3457Bullshit. How do you have sex with a woman and not make her pregnant? Do it with a pre go woman. Also…maybe he was into Anal or Oral???
@@jaromjones7087 But... God didn't make him commit murder. He called it off. It was a test of obedience. Joseph Smith said that God sent an angel with a flaming sword and that he'd be destroyed if he didn't practice polygamy. There was no halting Joseph before he committed adultery.
The context is there used to be a difference between a sealing and having a sexually active marriage. The fact is WE DONT KNOW the physical/sexual relationship that was associated with each sealing.
Right!! There is a seal for time and eternity... and then there is the sealing for eternity ONLY. So what does that mean? Your not married until you are both dead!!!!!
@@ajmuda I'm not denying they practiced plural marriage and I'm not denying that Joseph Smith practiced it as well. What has happened though is confusion about what a sealing was back then has led to hysterical attacks that Joseph Smith had HUNDREDS of wives and husbands and kids and he was sexually assaulting everyone and he was just another Epstein. I'm so sick of hearing hyper exaggerated retro active personal attacks. As if he wasn't attacked enough while he was still alive.
He still had the First Vision. He still translated the Book of Mormon in absolute record time. He still restored holy temples, places filled with God’s light and love and peace for those humble enough to enjoy its blessings. He did do those things. And that’s what I love about Joseph Smith, the prophet of the Restoration.
Temples represent extra steps extra requisitions to return to Heaven (That’s not the gospel Jesus taught) Temples are filled with luxury for example 20,000 dollar tables a rugs. …. This is not what the Lord would want…. In the temple you have oaths of self harm fix tans z You have secret hand shakes etc. Joseph absorbed this from free madonry None of that did Jesus teach In the book of Matthew it clearly says if a man teaches any other gospel, hEARHIM not In regards to the plates, he didn’t even use the plates. He stuck his head in a hat w a stone in it and claimed to get info from the stone Joseph Smithconned generations of people It’s very sad Hope you stop burying your head in the sand and actually research for yourself instead of blindly obey
Oh and about the first vision It was a lie too. His own contemporaries never even know anything about that until 2 1836 when they rising up against him for different reasons(which included immorality and fraud) and he concocted that tall tale to reassert his position as prophet And the visitor John the Baptist…. No one knew anything about that either. He concocted it later and then backdated the said experience -as “1829” as we read in the D&C. In this case Oliver was an accomplice to the fraud It’s a horrible deception. And today the15 men we call prophet and apostles…..They perpetuate the lie. So get to researching this and accept only Jesus and His words. Nothing else
What he did was present “another gospel”. Not Christ s. What he did was create something of control and deception None of that was required by Christ. But go ahead and be gullible. Joseph was a conman through and through. Problem with many people is they only study the pretty picture. Regardless, people are innocent. I use to be just like that. Defending this so called prophet but he is guilty of lies murder and extreme narcissism. The Lord s gospel is simple and his Atoning sacrifice available to all. Mormonism creates and elitism and it creates men with a God complex. Horrible and oppressive. Good luck with your journey. It’s not mine anymore and I am HAPPY
Maybe actually watch the full length video and not a short. Helen Mar Kimball, the 14 year old who Joseph Smith was sealed to, wrote more about polygamy and her life than everyone else. I am going to let her do a lot of the talking but it should be noted that not once did Helen talk about any time being alone with Joseph Smith. Before I let Helen speak you need to understand our beliefs about marriage or sealings. Latter-day Saints consider eternal marriage to be an ordinance necessary for exaltation, assuming the parties involved stay true to the covenants they make, and that these sealings will link us to each other. Back then, there were marriages performed that took place for this life only or in the next life only. According to Helen, the marriage was not Joseph’s idea. It was her father’s idea, Heber C. Kimball. “He taught me the principle of Celestial marriage and having a great desire to be connected with the Prophet, Joseph, he offered me to him … my father introduced to me this principle and asked me if I would be sealed to Joseph, who came next morning & with my parents I heard him teach & explain the principle of Celestial marriage. …” She then later says they are sealed for Eternity Only and that’s it. She never once talks about a time they are alone together or anything like that. Helen also defended Joseph, saying, “If Joseph had had any impure desires he could have gratified them in the style of the world with less danger of his life or his character, than to do as he did.”
@@dylanwilliams2202oh he just groomed her. Ok well I guess that's ok then. Guess it's fine the next 4 prophets went on to have babies with their teenage "wives "
Okay explain why he married woman that had member husbands already and why marry a 15 year old . Surely she had time to find another “worthy” man. And why did he not get sealed to Emma he’d been sealed to 21 other woman . What’s the context there ?
It’s dum no matter what context. The whole thing is stupid. The premise that all these dealings are even necessary is a concoction of the false prophet Joseph smith
The church that Joseph helped bring back has given millions of people a reason to be better humans and experience a personal relationship to God and His Son.
Joseph also asked for the wives of some of his most faithful followers including members of the Q12. By cherry picking a narriative here it seems like you are trying to confirm your own biases rather than tell an accurate historical narriative. By their fruits ye shall know them.
Well the emotional context was simply that JS didn’t want anything to do with polygamy. His tactics in fulfilling the commandments reflect his. If he wanted to just marry a whole bunch of women for sex, there were more effective methods he could’ve used.
@@thatonedude.8440 I'm not sure I buy that, given that he continued to take on additional wives. Did the angel continue to threaten him?
@@mcable217 as far as i know, after JS was threatened the first time, he wasn’t visited again. He continued taking on additional wives with varying sealing commitments (life and or eternity, etc). In my eyes the commandment was a God given test of faith.
Liar.
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This would be more comical if it wasn't so disgusting. There is no context to where it's ok. Period.
Not making any moral judgements but it seems interesting to me that celebrities of our modern time get a pass on polygamy although we don't call it polygamy... An argument can be made that its more moral to marry who you sleep with rather than running through hundreds and sometimes thousands of people.
@@nathanielellis3457 who said I was totally fine with celebs preying on kids, married women, and cheating on their partners? Not me. Because I'm not. But none of them are claiming to be prophets who speak directly to and for God. HUGE difference.
Only... they were sealed... not having sex... disgusting is being so gross that you relate it to sex
Also you like to bring up "14yr of girl, 14yr old brrrrhhrrrrrrr hurrrrr 14 year old girls!....
It was THE FREAKING 1840s... he was 34 not 70..... he was not doing it to have sex... and if he did..... well..... Moses made mistakes, Jonah did..... Daniel did... all prophets are natural man not Jesus.
An anti Mormon PhD historian did honest research on polygamy, his name is Dr. Don Bradley. Don only sought full and true context for actual church history. Removing all the spin by anti Mormons like above. Point by point he proves that Joseph Smith never stole other men's wives, ever. No husbands complain about Smith marrying their wife. Ever! No children now in the hundreds ever said Joseph Stole their mother from their dad. Truth always comes out from the kids! No 14 year old wife exists. Her father only sealed the girl to Joseph and was only effective after her death, why? She married another man almost living next door. No children exist except by 1st side Emma! Proven recently after expensive DNA test results. The women Joseph did marry were pregnant and at that time having sex was thought to be dangerous. The children born were sealed to Joseph but we're not his seed. I will show you from Bible prophecy that a true modern prophet had no choice but to restore biblical Israel by restoring polygamy. Watch this.
@@nathanielellis3457What does this mean? Dr. Don Bradley a non Mormon historian disproves that the 14 year old girl never married Smith. See Don Bradley interview.
When you know this is guy’s arguments are bull because you’ve done the research. Apologists count on their audience to be ignorant of the facts so they can make spurious arguments like this.
He wasn't having sex with them.... he was sealed to men too.... are you insinuating that he was GB before the 🌈 warriors came along?
The projection is strong with this one.
How do you explain when some of these men were on missions and were faithful?
Not to mention in the commandments, it’s against God‘s laws to marry someone else that’s already taken!
Great question. All of the men knew about it, surprisingly. JS was sealed to a couple of females who were already married, but he didn’t consummate those as they were only sealings and not marriages. There are 10,000+ points of documented accounts of JSs life that if I had the time to read it all I’d do it. It’s fascinating the record keeping that the LDS kept, even if it seemingly paints us in a vague light sometimes. There was nothing sexual in nature about the sealings or the marriages. Our doctrine points to many reasons why we get married and sealed, one of those is that we’re bringing spirit children to mortality to gain a body and to be tested prior to eternal life. It all actually makes a ton of sense. Not everyone on earth worships at the feet of sexual conquests and perversion like the worldly doctrine of the devil worshippers do…
@@dcarts5616 I’m sorry but you’re wrong! There’s evidence of him trying to repeatedly get with a woman and she kept saying no, but later after she was married then she was pushed into it!
Besides, none of that matters as it’s against the commandments! Priests must only marry virgins as it says in the laws of the lord! Even in D&C 132 it says only virgins!
@ballardfx1140 source please
@@ballardfx1140 I’m sorry you feel you’ve got all the answers. Go listen to Don Bradley talk about it in the full video. You sound like you know about an inch of a topic that’s 100 feet deep.
@@dcarts5616 and I do have all the answers.
He sent men on missions, who were clearly faithful, then married their wives. He gave a revelation declaring polygamy was to multiply and replenish the Earth: sex. The rubber around your wire is not about context. It’s about insulating members from the facts.
Latter-day Saints consider eternal marriage to be an ordinance necessary for exaltation, assuming the parties involved stay true to the covenants they make, and that these sealings will link us to each other. Back then, there were marriages performed that took place for this life only or in the next life only. According to the historical record and the women, The sealings to women who already had husbands were for eternity-only and these women continued to live with their husbands like normal. Now, let us look at “did Joseph Smith send men on missions to marry their wives”
The evidence suggests that 14 out of Joseph’s 35 wives had legal husbands while also being sealed to Joseph.
The husbands of Mary Elizabeth Rollins, Ruth Vose, and Sarah Kingsley were not members of the Church and thus were not serving missions when these women were sealed to Joseph. Presendia Huntington was sealed to Joseph on December 11th, 1841. Her husband was inactive at the time and thus was not on a mission. Sarah Ann Whitney was not married to anyone else at the time she was sealed to Joseph. Thus, no husband on a mission. Sylvia Sessions was married to Windsor Lyon. She was most likely sealed to Joseph sometime after Windsor had been excommunicated on November 19th, 1842. Thus, not on a mission. Some believe the sealing happened in February 1842. In any case, a variety of documents place him in Nauvoo in 1842. We know next to nothing about Joseph’s sealings to Elizabeth Davis. However, there is no record that Elizabeth’s husband (Jabez Durfee) ever served a mission.
So that's 7/14 that automatically weren’t on missions.
Patty Bartlett was sealed to Joseph on March 9, 1842. Various records place her husband, David Sessions, in Nauvoo at this time. He actually served as a juror the day after the sealing. Thus, he was not on a mission (8/14). Zina Huntington was sealed to Joseph on October 27, 1841. Her husband, Henry Jacobs, was not a missionary at this time because his mission didn’t start until January of the next year (9/14). Elvira Cowles was sealed to Joseph on June 1, 1843. Her husband, Jonathan Holmes, was a shoemaker in Nauvoo and according to accounting records of his store he was not on a mission at this time. (10/14)
We know next to nothing about Joseph’s sealings to Esther Dutcher and Mary Heron. Their husbands, Albert Smith and John Snider, did serve missions but since we don’t know when (or even if) Esther and Mary were sealed to Joseph we don’t know if there was any overlap.
Scholars don’t believe Lucinda Pendleton was sealed to Joseph Smith. Even if she was sealed to Joseph, we don’t have a sealing date. Some have suggested 1838. Brian Hales’ safe estimate was that it probably wouldn’t have occurred after July 1841. Her husband, George Harris, did serve a mission between July 1840 and September 1841. If she was sealed to Joseph, it could have been while her husband was away, but we just don’t know, so this one is inconclusive as well.
That leaves us with one more case to consider, Joseph’s sealing to Marinda Johnson. There are two possible dates for the sealing: Either April of 1842 or May of 1843, or she could have been sealed to Joseph on both dates. If she was sealed to Joseph in April 1842, then her husband, Orson Hyde, would have been away as a missionary but by April 1842, he would have been gone for almost two years. (11/14)
So 11/14 husbands definitely weren’t sent on missions so Joseph Smith could marry their wives and 3/14 have little records for the marriages even happening. I think it is safe to say that “Joseph Smith sent men on missions to marry their wives” is a false statement.
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In what context is it acceptable for a 37 year old man in a position of power to marry a 14 year old girl (who does not have the ability to consent)?
Do you mean legally? Or emotionally not able to consent?
@@ethandenton3393 do you think 14 year olds are capable of giving consent?
@@Alphawhino Do you?
@@ethandenton3393 no I don’t
@@Alphawhino Why? To be clear. I want to understand what you mean by consent. Are we talking about knowledge of sex? Knowledge of marriage? Maturity? What is your definition?
There is no context for marrying a 14 year old girl that makes it right in the eyes of God.
that has been debunked. She was actually 18
The context I believe is that it was on purpose to support that it wasn't sexually motivated. He also married muliple severely pregnant women where it would have been taboo for husband's to sleep with them. He married mosty pregnant women and old widows and very young women which would be strange if sexually motivated. That's much better context
@@nathanielellis3457Bullshit. How do you have sex with a woman and not make her pregnant? Do it with a pre go woman. Also…maybe he was into Anal or Oral???
@@nathanielellis3457 having read the journals and official LDS books on it.... No he didn't. Youngest was 14 according to the official website.
Yes there is context for marrying a 14 year old!! You just don't know it!
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Why would God command something that looked exactly like adultery?
AND ILLEGAL in State of Illinois
Why would he command Abraham to sacrifice Isaac when it was exactly what the people in Egypt were doing and looks like murder?
If you're Christian, please carefully read the Bible before making silly comments like this
@@mp4278 quiet pretender.
@@jaromjones7087 But... God didn't make him commit murder. He called it off. It was a test of obedience. Joseph Smith said that God sent an angel with a flaming sword and that he'd be destroyed if he didn't practice polygamy. There was no halting Joseph before he committed adultery.
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When he gives the analogy of a wire protected by a rubber sheath ahhhhummm that sounds likkkee....
Good thing my testimony is of the book of Mormon , not joseph smith.
What an incredibly stupid analogy.
The context is there used to be a difference between a sealing and having a sexually active marriage. The fact is WE DONT KNOW the physical/sexual relationship that was associated with each sealing.
Not as much with Joseph. But the next 4 prophets had babies with their young "wives" so factually was physical.
Right!! There is a seal for time and eternity... and then there is the sealing for eternity ONLY. So what does that mean? Your not married until you are both dead!!!!!
@@ajmuda I'm not denying they practiced plural marriage and I'm not denying that Joseph Smith practiced it as well. What has happened though is confusion about what a sealing was back then has led to hysterical attacks that Joseph Smith had HUNDREDS of wives and husbands and kids and he was sexually assaulting everyone and he was just another Epstein. I'm so sick of hearing hyper exaggerated retro active personal attacks. As if he wasn't attacked enough while he was still alive.
@@mp4278 quiet liar.
Comment section to the rescue
He still had the First Vision. He still translated the Book of Mormon in absolute record time. He still restored holy temples, places filled with God’s light and love and peace for those humble enough to enjoy its blessings. He did do those things. And that’s what I love about Joseph Smith, the prophet of the Restoration.
Temples represent extra steps extra requisitions to return to Heaven
(That’s not the gospel Jesus taught)
Temples are filled with luxury for example 20,000 dollar tables a rugs. …. This is not what the Lord would want….
In the temple you have oaths of self harm fix tans z
You have secret hand shakes etc.
Joseph absorbed this from free madonry
None of that did Jesus teach
In the book of Matthew it clearly says if a man teaches any other gospel, hEARHIM not
In regards to the plates, he didn’t even use the plates. He stuck his head in a hat w a stone in it and claimed to get info from the stone
Joseph Smithconned generations of people
It’s very sad
Hope you stop burying your head in the sand and actually research for yourself instead of blindly obey
Oh and about the first vision
It was a lie too. His own contemporaries never even know anything about that until 2
1836 when they rising up against him for different reasons(which included immorality and fraud) and he concocted that tall tale to reassert his position as prophet
And the visitor John the Baptist…. No one knew anything about that either. He concocted it later and then backdated the said experience -as “1829” as we read in the D&C. In this case Oliver was an accomplice to the fraud
It’s a horrible deception. And today the15 men we call prophet and apostles…..They perpetuate the lie. So get to researching this and accept only Jesus and His words. Nothing else
Which first vision. There were several that evolved into the squeaky clean version you know and love. Go study. Go find out. Try and be objective
Objectivity has nothing to do with matters of the heart.
What he did was present “another gospel”. Not Christ s.
What he did was create something of control and deception None of that was required by Christ.
But go ahead and be gullible. Joseph was a conman through and through. Problem with many people is they only study the pretty picture. Regardless, people are innocent. I use to be just like that. Defending this so called prophet but he is guilty of lies murder and extreme narcissism. The Lord s gospel is simple and his Atoning sacrifice available to all. Mormonism creates and elitism and it creates men with a God complex. Horrible and oppressive. Good luck with your journey. It’s not mine anymore and I am HAPPY
And there were men out on a mission and he married their wives so sto w the mental gymnastics and intellectualism justifying. Sick
Funny he didn’t explain the context for marrying a 14 yo
Maybe actually watch the full length video and not a short.
Helen Mar Kimball, the 14 year old who Joseph Smith was sealed to, wrote more about polygamy and her life than everyone else. I am going to let her do a lot of the talking but it should be noted that not once did Helen talk about any time being alone with Joseph Smith. Before I let Helen speak you need to understand our beliefs about marriage or sealings. Latter-day Saints consider eternal marriage to be an ordinance necessary for exaltation, assuming the parties involved stay true to the covenants they make, and that these sealings will link us to each other. Back then, there were marriages performed that took place for this life only or in the next life only.
According to Helen, the marriage was not Joseph’s idea. It was her father’s idea, Heber C. Kimball. “He taught me the principle of Celestial marriage and having a great desire to be connected with the Prophet, Joseph, he offered me to him … my father introduced to me this principle and asked me if I would be sealed to Joseph, who came next morning & with my parents I heard him teach & explain the principle of Celestial marriage. …” She then later says they are sealed for Eternity Only and that’s it. She never once talks about a time they are alone together or anything like that.
Helen also defended Joseph, saying, “If Joseph had had any impure desires he could have gratified them in the style of the world with less danger of his life or his character, than to do as he did.”
@@dylanwilliams2202oh he just groomed her. Ok well I guess that's ok then.
Guess it's fine the next 4 prophets went on to have babies with their teenage "wives "
Why not wait for someone to do the work for them in the temple? Did he really need to be the one to marry them right then and there?
That's because he was learning line upon line, principle by principle.... Haha what BS am I saying
This is bow we cherry pick a narrative. Sad to see.
Okay explain why he married woman that had member husbands already and why marry a 15 year old . Surely she had time to find another “worthy” man. And why did he not get sealed to Emma he’d been sealed to 21 other woman . What’s the context there ?
spot On!!!
Hilarious
Do you guys see how dumb this sounds?
This Short SKIPS The Honest Context….pure BS and a further attempt to mislead.
It’s dum no matter what context. The whole thing is stupid. The premise that all these dealings are even necessary is a concoction of the false prophet Joseph smith
Nope.
All false prophets want two things. Your money and your women. He is a false prophet
That is the worst attempt to justify polygamy. Sorry I have done my due diligence and your context is next level BS.
Stop lying to make something true. Joseph was evil
The church that Joseph helped bring back has given millions of people a reason to be better humans and experience a personal relationship to God and His Son.