PORCUPINE JUGGERNAUT BUILD! 1000+ Spikes - Backpack Hero
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Backpack Hero Part 11 - winning without needing to attack. Coral is the most exciting relic addition to my shield build, as it adds a scaling number of spikes to myself every use. Admittedly, it is "win more", so will I be able to cover my weaknesses in my highest floor to date?
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The relic you were looking for is Shield spirit. Each time a shield is used, use all adjacent weapons. Give the weapon -1 attack. So using your shield would attack 3 times, and the -1 damage per attack would be countered by the +1 damage per attack from your other relic (and you can still scale by attacking directly)
Actually, I believe the shield spirit doesn't activate stopwatch on swords, except on projectiles (at least, it did on the lightning bolt). So you'd have to use your weapon as much as your shields activate it to stay balanced.
I don't know if this is how it's meant to work, but that's how it worked when I had both relics.
@@jlco it didn't work that way when I had it recently. I was only activating it once per energy rather than 3 times, but damage was staying static.
@@jlco Any effects that trigger on use, will trigger, since the relic makes shields use adjacent weapons, instead of acting like the adjacent weapons. Think of it as instead of you swinging your sword, your shield swung it for you.
The risk then is spikes, since blocking would also proc enemy spikes 6 times (three attacks, each with extra vampirism)
What you needed was the wand that removes 50% status on self and mana Regen.
That wand does not exist. Cleansing wands gets rid of status effects ON SELF
@@robertmartinez601 that’s what they said???
@@robertmartinez601 That's exactly what the dude said?
@@robertmartinez601 What do you mean it doesn't exist?
doesnt that also get rid of your good status effects like haste and spikes?
At first glance, I wasn't convinced this game would have a lot of longevity. I figured it was a fun little gimmick game that would have little replay value.
Your videos have convinced me that I was totally wrong. There are so many playstyles I hadn't considered at all, and these high floor level endless runs are really fascinating.
And this is just the demo version.
Same thing.. This game have so much stuff in it and I can't wait for full release in steam. Love it.
there are endless runs going to floor 500+ with no exploits
@@Blueybeak no way, has anyone made videos of it? I'd totally watch
@@Vizaru probably not, because it wouldn't exactly be fun to watch (im pretty sure they also spend a lot of time reloading their save to get the items they need). all screenshots and discussion are in the discord
suprised how this run just got better and better, I thought it won't be any better after the 18 boss but I was wrong
When you don't want to deal with vampirism dealing spike back, you can reorganise and move manastone as, they are empty anyway.
What...? That makes no sense.
@@Jawsomest the mana stones are normally an empty space so what he's saying is that Tyler could spend three energy and move the things that are giving him vampirism (and also meaning that he takes three times the amount of spikes damage) away from his sword and only take the spikes once
You can also set up your backpack differently depending on the fight you have ahead. I actually wouldn't be surprised if a super technical build with multiple different set-ups to counter every fight effectively is hidden somewhere, awaiting to be discovered. In this case, when you realise you're going to fight the wizard you could move your vamp crystals away *out* of combat instead of *during* combat. That's probably not the best application of this principle, but I think you can see how this could be useful. I was planning to eventually theory-craft a build that can switch from offense to defense based on the way the backpack is organised before the battle, just because it sounds cool.
@@lucianoariasduval And the then there's poison, which doesn't give a damn about anything and will just wipe you if you don't manage to burst down the enemy giving poison in two turns or so
I think he mentioned this in the video closer to the end, during the last three or four fights.
because of how fast the enemies scale, and how the player stalls out around endless mode, I'm not sure how far it is physically possible to get into endless without getting out-scaled. This is the furthest i've ever seen, though.
With Haste buffs over 70 with very very mucho accesories Anti poison
I currently have a run sitting at floor 104 with no signs of stopping. It relies heavily on the +1 Haste from shield you get from the forge, like the other guy said.
If spikes or flames aren’t also capped at 999, I think in theory the block cap can guarantee your end eventually, unless you can find basically infinite turn one single hit damages
There are actually infinite turn one damage combos in the game, the easiest being using a forge to get +1 rage on the berserker's club and the hourglass relic which gives weapons -1 damage on use. The berserker's club is a 0 energy weapon which deals decreasing damage to enemies and increasing damage to you the more you use it. With the hourglass it just always deals 0 damage so it becomes an infinitely reusable item of 0 energy for +1 rage.
Then in theory on any fight you can just use the club like 5000 times for 5000 rage to oneshot anything but boy it'd be painful.
Outscaling the enemies is possible, but it really requires certain things like rage and haste. It's only possible in quite a few specific scenarios because of how much faster the enemy damage and HP scale. I'm currently at 200 on a cleaver build that can do up to 92k after my 7 energy is used in turn 1, but it took a lot to get there.
Tyler!! You can get 8 energy instead with the one spot above the staff, as that is still a free space in the collumn
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nooo, you just need to wait 500+ turns so the spikes wear out and you'd be juuust fine
Did the porcupine build last night also...
11 energy, 2 hercule pavise(one with 3 haste) w/ 3 slats and a mirror shield, 107hp, and could heal for 45hp/energy(herb log/seasoning/leftover)
I could max shield turn 1 with over 1,000 spikes per round(coral is amazing)
Hard countered by a 6,000hp snake cause they apparently don't 'hit' you.
I had no weapons cause of the pacifist ring.
The relic you were thinking about was shield relic, if im correct, activating shields activates adjacent weapons and something else
The something else is giving the shield adjacent weapon -1 attack until the end of combat per activation.
@@conorgilligan8851 But the stopwatch means it gets +1 so its really good
@@darkfiire1647 But because it only gains +1 the sword can no longer scale. Great for defense but the offense front starts lacking and it would be hard to kill enemies that do not attack.
@@readypickles It still scales +1 per use because of the smith gave it +1 rage
Shield relic and the +1 shield but it would still be scetchy to survive I had this setup except I couldnt find the energy wand… I died to snakes still …
1:23 "It's not a weapon but there is a brick in there" 🤣🤣
I don't get it
petition to make it a structure
@@MarlockT It was the flavor text on the teddy bear sword
fun item for a pacifist run
@@tylercunanan8255 oh crap i forgot about the ring of pacifism
I suppose that if you were able to get another one of those rags that removes poison you'd have more of an answer to that one encounter
That still wouldn't be enough, since he can get at most 10 attacks pet turn, and even with 2 rags, that would reduce poison by 40 between each poison turn of the snake which still isn't enough.
And eventually the snake will probably scale up to a point where it gives more poison than you have hp, so it will just instant kill you with no way to avoid it
@@doomse150 removing 40 poison from the attack that adds 40ish poison means he only gets single digit poison every other round. With the vamp and healing he gets per attack that covers the poison damage he’d be getting long enough to kill the snake and we already know he can handle the geck
@@anthonycannet1305 40 would be the max if he could get 10 attacks on every round, which is a very generous estimate, given that he also has to deal with the damage + burn from the Fire Gecko.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, the poison gets applied on the enemy's turn and then procs at the beginning of your turn, so the first proc of 40+ damage is unavoidable anyway (which sounds kinda dumb ngl).
@@doomse150 with his current setup, he wouldn’t be able to do it, but if he had 8 3/3 mana stones and the entire 2 right columns empty (move the mana stone in the corner somewhere else) he’d have room to put 8 ethereal energy for 11 total. That’s 10 attacks and 1 huge shield each turn. He might have to shield twice at the start but his scaling should work it out theoretically
Hell yeah I saw the last one was put out 24 hours ago and knew this one was soon to follow. Love the consistent uploads!
Haste increases how much armor you receive from every source, just something to consider
Can’t wait to see how far this goes
That was just awesome. I gotta say you're on a roll man
Imagine something like a shield bash in this thing.
Shield Spirit, the relic I think he was talking about hoping to get, let's all shields activate adjacent weapons. But an item that let's you directly attack with your shields or maybe your block would be cool
it would be fun if an item converts your block into damage
In the discord there's an item competition and one of the suggestions is exactly that, a bashing shield that converts block to damage
Book that gives mana on use + Wand for way less mana stones and way more effective energy per combat.
you could've optimised space a little. Since the best feature was the block that scales (even more so than the infinite spikes that you would end up getting), you could have only 3 sheilds, all next to the weapon. The yellow one in middle, and on top and bottom the small shields. This way, you would've had 3 more spaces for other consumables or good items
I don't know if it would have made a major difference, but I'm curious why you did not went to all healers to upgrade your HP when you still had a bunch of money (in the initial run or the first endless). It would have been better than just throwing it away and maybe you could have survived longer against poison. You had massive block but your HP was way too low, leaving you no room for error against what your block couldn't deal with.
I only remember missing one healer this run, and it was the very first because I was short on coins. I got fewer healers than usual this run, unfortunately! However, with the space I freed up, I could've added HP rings to my "must take" list.
@@Aliensrock Right. I still don't remind what all the symbols on the map are, I probably though the crosses were healers, making me wonder why you weren't going towards them. Thanks for answering!
@@doubl2480 I don't think it would have mattered either way. With his current loadout he gets to remove a maximum of 22 poison inbetween the poison turns of the snake (2 natural decay + 20 from rag assuming 10 attacks per round which is generous), so the snake giving around 44 poison per two turns would increase the total amount of poison stacks by at least 20 every other turn. And no matter your hp, this becomes a lethal amount in no time (lethal as in kills in one turn). There are very few ways to beat this encounter some of which being:
1. Turn 1 kill the snake
2. Kill the snake in a few turns and have enough heal to outlast the poison accumulated until that point
3. Be able to remove ALL poison over the course of two turns consistently.
Damn, missed the kickstarter by one day and wanted to get my hands on a copy!
I guess waiting till it comes out on Steam is the only option now 😅
This Isaac run is crazy
Its nice watching tyler take on the same senerio you just lost to a day ago but owing it.
you gotta try a bomb build. it doesn't scale well at all, but it's really fun to amass an army of slime swords or ethereal weapons from wands that all do x6 damage
Oh, holy shit, I didn't even realize the coral scaled like that until I saw this. Goddamn.
I think a good balance change would be if once you get 999 block, you gain invincibility for 1 turn.
Perhaps you could use a relic that allows you to use that invincibility for any turn you'd like (but invincibility turns are not stackable).
Love how the description says “Game: Binding of Isaac”
This is the third video where I've read a comment talking about that
Shield spirit is awesome on one hand, but on the other, it makes you lose to spikes.
He had scaling block from his fox sword and shield synergy though. Using Shield Spirit would simply make the 3 shields activate the sword, meaning he can just use the smiley shield and his entire build would activate, giving him scaling block, spikes, damage, healing and removing poison.
Poison would still kill him but everything else would have been fine
@@MorganSaph The issue is if an enemy like King or Repxecutioner has scaling spikes he loses, since if he defends once, he triggers the spikes 3 times, which will quickly outpace his defence.
@@alasdairsinclair916 it’s actually 6 times because of the vampire crystal activating spikes an extra time per attack
From what I’ve seen because of the limited nature of your bag there’s always going to be something that after enough time will end your run. Even if you have the highest scaling like this it still will end it. Cleavers were ended by spikes, shields were ended by poison. It’s honest an inevitability in this game because it’s rooted in a “this beats that” gameplay style. It’s impossible to go all in on one item class and have an infinite run. Also due to how the enemies scale so fast, it’s more of an inevitability that they’ll out damage you at some point since there’s only so powerful you can be turn one
Cleansing Flame let's cleavers handle spikes pretty well, especially if you avoid the swamp area that's locked off. But I hope they add more variety of enemies and randomness to the game so that you can't just avoid stuff that counters your build.
There is a way to go pretty endless though, I saw a guy on floor 46 a couple weeks ago with a crazy cleaver build
It's funny because there's a build that combines both shield and cleaver. Each time you use a shield, adjacent weapons gets used, so cleavers get used for 1 energy despite the 2 energy nerf.
Obviously you can't get true endless without getting infinite backpack space or infinite permanent buffs like forges. Endless mode is probably the game's stress test, if a combination of items can beat every mechanic no matter how high you scale the numbers, that means the balance is out of whack.
@Aliensrock It says that it is capped at 999 but you can get more block still theres a UA-camr named Sifd who even though Block capped at 999 was able to still block at higher damages by calculating it
Zamn, idk what could get further than this madness.
“You capably endured the onslaught of *rare creatures.* But the worst was yet to come.”
great run :D
whats funny is i tried this and i got the hercule pavide 3x in the same run and got the coral on floor 3.
Shield spirit is the relic you desired, the only problem with it, is it tends to bug, and you need a second damage increase to properly counter its downside, even though technically Stopwatch and it should cancel each other out... Shield spirit lets shields use adjacent weapons, but give s said weapon -1 damage, stopwatch increases damage when a weapon is used by 1... yet when i had a build with all 3 coral, Shield spirit and Stopwatch, my weapons were DOWN scaling, as for some reason i was getting say 9 procs of shield spirit, but only 6 procs of stopwatch, which makes no sense, considering both proc upon weapon use
i wonder how many more runs until aliensrock realizes the silver shield that gives 7 block would be better since it buffs other shields
only by 1 per shield, it definitely is better but it doesn't matter by all too much here since the main shielding comes from the weapon scaling.
Still capped at 999 block
its armor and silvers are not caridored armor
Now a herb log build with whatever weapon/defence you deem worthy
Battle of the spike walls.
You went out on your own terms
You were likely thinking of Shield Spirit, but I don't see how it'd be useful unless its effect applied to shields. On Use: Adj. Weapon gets used. Adj. Weapon gets -1 dmg this Combat.
If this effect applied to shields, activating the smiley shield would make you attack 3 times, healing for 6 and removing 3 poison and giving scaling block and damage per 1 energy.
Poison would have still killed you though. Literally anything else woulda been fine, unless enemy spikes got through the block cap
With your build little buckler would just be better than the big shield save a space for another mana stone or consumable.
So for the fox rapier be touching 3 shields he should just keep the yellow shield and 2 little buclers right ? It would free 3 spaces. The downside would be less block during first turns
Killing me how he doesn't realize you can get 8 extra energy with that wand and is insisting that 7 is the max. Colum is below AND above
I thought this last video too, but technically you could have just put the yellow shield where the small shield was and thus gotten one more spot to put an item and only lose like 6 block.
could have switched the large shields for bucklers and got 2 more slots for free since the rapier's scaling would make them just as effective as the big ones. Turn 1-10 on those fights might be a bit sketchy in the tough fights, but careful usage of the water flasks and food items plus the additional slots to carry random shit would have allowed him to claw his way out of the early disadvantages
I had a run a week ago that had took me all the way to floor 63 using the Hercule Pavise, shields and the Assassin's dagger, died to to much burn debuff.
your my favorite UA-camr ❤️
I think you should try a pickaxe build if you haven't already.
I feel like the true thing that killed you was the fire stacks,. You might have been able to last longer against the snake if you mass spiked to nuke down the lizard guy and then went all in on sword attacks on the snake. I don't know if you would have been able to kill it before the poison stacks overwhelmed your max health though. At that level, you might have just needed some sort of status clear pot to reset the fight until you got better poison handling methods.
Love this here binding of Isaac gameplay
You need the shield relic that one allows shields to also make weapons attack you could use that so your sword gets used
He should have swiched the yellow shield to br next to a wheapon that way you can remove 2 2 space shield for the small red shield. Which provides 2 extra space while giving less shield inishialy.
I think the relic is shield spirit which makes weapons around shields get used but the weapons get -1 damage
You should do a shiv run where you get a line of shivs and buff each ones damage output to decent levels. Shivs dont take any energy so its like free damage. Would be cool
i tried something like that where i put all my energy points into blocking, and used 2 wizard robes and a relic to buff up like 5 shivs with 45 damage each turn. couldn't counteract the poison build up. just too slow compared to this video. this dude's build is fucking nuts.
Safety first. Obladi Oblada.
I am technically alive but that is only a technicality, im dead - Aliensrock 2022
I'd love to see a Consumable and Throwable run, I just accidentally made a build with it. And it was extremely fun, rage is your friend.
Hey Tyler love the content. You should check out Stacklands. It’s a card based adventure game that I think you would enjoy!
How did you not take that book?
On use adds 4 mana means you can cut your mana stones in half! And still make more!
One more before I go to sleep
Part 3 pog
just today i had a really similar run, but i used 6 shields at once, all thanks to duck tape
Why did you never move the mana stone in the top left? Couldn't you have used that space for more ethereal energy gems?
They cost mana he only had enough for 7
@@Valentine570 Yeah but whenever he finds one of those consumables that refills mana he could have gone up to 8, also if he found more 3/3s he could eventually afford it. I think leaving it there makes it too easy to overlook that you can use that space.
Poison is just too op
The summoner doesn't get block off of vampirism I'm pretty sure.
He can only be hit once per turn regardless of weapon, based off my experience.
You could make 11 with 1 more stone unless 7 is the cap
Could you have improved your final battle by tossing your gold and taking the extra shield? Faster block scaling would have saved energy for more attacks. But then again, that would have given you less space for energy recharges, so I am not completely sure how that balances out.
Alternatively (or maybe additionally), you could have taken that one extra magical ingredient and eaten it at a crucial point to ensure you heal more or kill the snake faster, while still being willing to toss out your gold or even a mana orb to accomplish one extra energy recharge thingy for the battle. (The top left spot could also have held one of those, right?)
IMHO Endless mode really need to let the backpack keep scaling. Not as fast, mind you; maybe just one space per five or ten or even twenty floors. Even the infinitely scaling builds need time to build, but in the end you just reach a point where you can't win anymore even if you had the perfect dream build... which defeats the point of it being 'endless'. If you are good enough at growing along the enemy scaling, not dying should always be attainable regardless of difficulty spikes.
I like this idea!
yay
seems like high block builds have good potential for endless, though that block cap could've been an issue had it not been for dieing to poison
wonder what other builds will be good for endless
It would be great if there's an artifact that gives regeneration or something to complement defense build
You could use 'My First Wand,' it gives 1 regen for 1 mana
whats even more crazy is when you do this but you have 2 Hercules shields
the only thing that could have made this build nastier was the shield that removes spikes and rage
I you were messing around on the Friday event. Tell me you were just not trying.
Ah yes, my favorite game, The Binding of Issac, totally not backpack hero or anything
-cupine.
Would'nt 2 anti-poison gems (or rags) have been better than 2 vampirism stones?
it was the only one he found
ENDLESS MODE TWO!
Endless squared
if u got the relic that activates weapons upon using a shield, how fast would you scale
I wonder, that would trigger his weapon 3 times per energy right? Insane combo.
Would have been really strong for most fights, but he would have instantly lost against the spike-stacking boss since he wouldn't have been able to build block before attacking each turn
@@connors.3596 If the build had a 2 - 3 mirror shields then spikes could probably be countered
@@connors.3596 not really, the spike stacking guy gets +1 spike per attack, and his build gets +1 block and +2 hp per attack XD
@AnEnderNon yes and that is bad scaling for him? Sure at the beginning it works out, but as the fight continues the spikes persist and then +3 on each attack becomes laughable.
He could reorder his backpack in the middle of the fight though, I think he underused that in the super late game a bit in general - could have moved Vampirism away from his Sword against the Wizard to not get punished by Spikes as much for example.
Try BERSERKER's CLUB + HOURGLASS, its a glitch work on web version
with uncapped block, better consumable luck, and whatever relic you were thinking of, how far do you think this build could've gotten or would poison have still won out?
He needs to have a lot of hp to make it work. If poison just one shots you, it's still game over. He needs to firstly survive a poison hit. Secondly, heal the poison within two turns. Lastly deal with whatever partner the snake gets within that same two turns too.
torque
I’m so triggered that Tyler keeps saying mana instead of energy
8:29 this boss is actually the worst boss design I’ve seen in a long while
Sad to see this run go
Vampirisim no longer triggers spikes
your commentary style is like no other in UA-cam! like you could talk about the most mundane game mechanics ever and it's still gripping as fuck to me. good on ya!
also i wonder if Tyler has played Dicey Dungeons yet. if not yet, it would be really interesting!
i think you could have 8 energy if have the top left space empty too
🤔 huh interesting 🧐
Game: The Binding of Isaac
Vampire survivor when🥺
The only thing i don’t like about this game is how deadly poison is, in loop 2 it’s barely survivable, nevermind loop 3…
if one of the vamp gems were where the poison cleaning rag, would he get an extra vamp proc?
I don't think so. It's still one weapon, and the game applies buffs per item, not per space.
Probably could have saved time by just blocking before attacking, that way you don't have to constantly figure out how much block you get by adding up all the shields and you can just let the game do it for you.
Yeah but he gains bonus block one 3 shields for each attack. So yeah it could save him a bit of time but it’s not energy efficient.
@@TownieFormal oh yeah, I guess that makes sense.
Is this what it feels like to chew 5 gum?
Why isn't the legendary shield swapped with the other buckler so the rapier can activate everything?
It's buffing 3 shields either way, it's the same
Couldn’t you have just gotten another energy from the energy wand by moving that mana stone above it somewhere else
The relic you looking for is shield totem?
2 lil bucklers and the legendary shield would have been really good.
You never really needed to have 4 shields because the legendary sword was only ever buffing 3 of them.
But he can't buff a second Lil buckler tho
a 4th shield gives more spikes, and is decent for early combat before the other shields have been buffed as much
@@Elyzeon. Why not? I mean instead of the other larger shield.
@@thenarwhalmage I think there are 0 situations where he would struggle if you removed 25% of his spikes, but be fine otherwise.
He literally always had block to spare. He never used all 4 energy turn 1 on block.
@@Acc_Expired because the sword can't touch 2 Lil bucklers + another shield (that are all also touching the legendary shield)
Was i missing something about the floor 24 boss fight? You kept over-capping your block saying you needed to block more than you actually needed to. Like you had enough block to negate the spike damage and kept saying you needed to block another time.
you don't take chances on those fights when you're that deep into a run, better safe than sorry because if your math is wrong you lose the best run you've ever had
and trust me, you don't want to know how bad it feels when you throw a run like that
@@Guns-R-Us_ Your comment made me go back and look, and it's a little more complicated than I realized. His vampirism ticks proc spikes, so for for every attack he makes, he takes double spike damage.
@@SLCclimber yeah, he found out the hard way early on with that but chose to live with it for what he thought was poison protection through healing. Too bad it didn't pay off, he had to work around that handicap for a while
Yummy
7:04 just get more energy from the wand then???