Minesweeper, But the Numbers LIE To You
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- 14 Minesweeper Variants Part 3 - the coolest section yet. A 3 is no longer a 3, it is either a 2 or a 4, and I have to deduce which one. The logic in this may level up your brain or destroy it entirely.
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"this six has to be a four" -aliensrock, forgetting the rules of the game he's playing for a second, July 22 2022
5:00 Read the comment as soon as he said it xD
He's doing great for the rest though. Im really impressed by how fast he's doing all of this while talking. Mistakes like that are inevitable
I think he just misspoke but yeah that was funny
@@IdoN_Tlikethis no, he laughed on it a bit after the fact, he definitely ment it for a second.
@@greenbirdgaming8691 he didn’t laugh??? He said seven is out of the question right after? He just miss spoke
When the developers added the brush, they knew people were gonna get crazy, but when you have to think about ~20 possibilities at once... Picasso, I like it
Whenever a game gives you the ability to take in-game notes, it's a threat
just wish there was a keybind to open and close the brush menu
I was just trying to figure if the brush tool was in-game or a Tyler-special overlay (would NOT put it past him to have such a tool at the ready!) Interesting to know that it is indeed a part of the game!
@@jodysgamingchannel9480 Tametsi had built-in brush as well, and it absolutely necessitated it at the highest level
I’m gonna be honest, I understood none of his logic past the first puzzle and just enjoyed him saying numbers.
same
Mood, but I feel like I could think it out like that, but not be able to explain it, that's what makes him so smart, he can explain what he's thinking as he's doing it, meanwhile my brain would just be "do"
What is the question mark ?
@@ValkyRiver you don’t know what the number is. you have to figure out the only possible answer from the numbers around it
I wat totally lost on second from the end and some of the last. Otherwise understood
double count + liar makes it theoretically possible to get the legendary "13" in one cell, I hope that can be a thumbnail hahaha
well, It won't happen
-> the "mixed" ruleset actually takes one in the each category, and is in the same category.
@@sangchoo1201 well that's lame
Is there a limit of 6 mines next to a tile in double count? Why wouldn't the limit be 17?
@@TlalocTemporal It's in a chessboard pattern, so each tile has 4 normal tiles and 4 double mine tiles around it
Wouldn't work for the same reason you can't have a 9 or a -1 in a regular liar. 12 is the max, so if the hint is a 12 it has to be an 11.
Just want to drop in and say how much I enjoy your content, especially your old Bloons content, the inscription play through(s), minesweeper variants, Dicey Dungeons and most recently Circadian dice! So good. Your upload schedule is wonderful and I look forward to finishing up work, get ready for bed and watch the new Aliensrock video. Thank you for brightening up my life!
Featured rulesets: [S] [L]
[S] - Standard Minesweeper rules
[E] - We stick together
[T] - Tic-tac-no
[M] - Some idiot put an extra mine in the grey squares!
[Cc] - The minefield is colored like a chessboard
[L] - The clues are one off of the actual amount of mines near them
the liar one 💀
counter-intuitive rules at first lmao but grants more required thinking power, love it so much
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SETMCcL
Funny how it's like Medium, as all, Large but it's not actually those instead it's Multi, standard, and liar
This is like a reasonable-to-reason-about version of Fake from Demoncrawl, and I love it
This sentence hurt my brain but once I got through it, it's accurate.
I'm honestly quite happy that he looked back and found the logic in the puzzle instead of just saying "this is impossible and this game isn't fair" like other youtubers might've
Aliensrock is one of the only good puzzle/strategy channels. Mainly because he's good at them, and actually enjoys what he's doing most of the time.
I love the under/over notation you developed! I had a puzzle thing which involved a similar concept (One-Off Yajilin, part of the MIT Puzzle Hunt this year), and I had a lot of trouble just keeping track of the board and which numbers were which. This notation is so much better than just trying to write the numbers overtop of what was already there!
i love watching minesweeper content just to see the different thought patterns. the game told me the numbers were lies and the first thing i did (and still do) is go into the sketch mode and black out all the numbers, replacing them with what numbers they could be, and then just playing (almost) normal minesweeper
I always enjoy watching you cause I can almost always tract with your logic and it makes sense to me, but the speed and cleverness you arrive to these conclusions at is far above my own. still quite entertaining though!
3:36
Glad to see he is paying tribute to the Obelisk of Knowledge
13:40
Another one here as well
Yeah, considering I'm not great at regular minesweeper, this would be impossible for me to do a perfect clear like you do
You might want to start with something like Hexcells or Delete, but all of these games have a notable advantage over traditional Mine Sweeper in that they never require you to guess.
8:34 "is the game suggesting 1,3 must share the 2 mines?" - no, the game is 'suggesting' that it is an unsolveable puzzle (assuming you have done no error so far). So you need to step through the actual possible boards to find commonalities (forAll) instead.
A. The 1,3 can be a 0,2 which is already fulfilled, with 2 remaining mines at the topleft 3 (making it a 4). And there are 6 permutations of those boards.
B. Or it can be the same 0,2, but with no mines at the topleft 3 (making it a 2). Leaving the mines in the entirely unknown cells. And there are 3 permutations of those boards.
C. Or, as you say, the 3,1 can be a 2,4, sharing the two remaining mines, from which the topleft 3 then says it *must share them too,* giving us their exact position (and making it a 4).
Which as you say, proves that the cell below the 1,3 can't be a mine. You trying to open left to topleft 3 (which made you lose) proved that option A was correct (or you finally enabled the guess-disabling ruleset), specifically 1 out of 3 different permutations where that cell is a flag.
edit: seems you caught up to your own spoken logic (quite) a bit later, and did indeed find that you could open the cell below the 1,3.
I recommend trying Masyu puzzles. It’s kinda like Sudoku and Minesweeper except there’s no numbers involved and you need to make a single closed loop based on the empty and shaded dots on the grid. If there is an empty dot then that means the path crosses straight through it and bends on at least one side, if it’s a shaded dot then the path must bend through it and continue straight for 2 spaces before it may turn again. There can only be one giant loop so you can’t form a closed loop that doesn’t pass through each circle.
And they say numbers don't lie...
I played this game for my self an when I miss clicked an already discovered number it automatically solved all of the surrounding cells that were forced to be something. It didn't give many any info I didn't know but it was super nice in allowing me to be lazy.
Just like regular minesweeper!
This is called chording, and it's a nice feature included by many minesweeper games including this one!
solving these is brain-melting, but it's also nuts how the developer programmed this to generate new puzzles while ensuring that they're solvable
i genuinely enjoyed these minesweeper vids, keep watching them over and over because him just saying number and ifs and thens really helps me fall asleep
One thing that really helped me with the Liar puzzles and which may have made things clearer for the viewers that I'm surprised you didn't do in some form is using the paint tool to write the actual values in the corner next to each number as I deduced them (at least for important cells, though I personally did it for all of them).
Edit: Ah, you eventually did something close at the very end for the 8x8.
*brain short circuit* ERROR 404. *bluescreen* *red ring of death* ALERT: REACTOR OVERLOAD IMMINENT
It's after 12:00AM EST, you know what that means. New Aliensrock video.
I literally just finished watching the last video, checked your channel for a new one, it wasn't there, and then immediately got the notification for this xD
Welcome
That’s everyone lol
2 minutes gang
Yo
hey there
Do you mean
I am once again agitated that this is the only place where such unadulterated logic can be found. Why aren’t more people this smart!
Tyler I've been watching you for a couple years now (since polybridge) and I think you've gotten a whole lot better at puzzles. Always love to see it especially when your willingness to play hard games/levels was what drew me in in the first place. Please do more like this! You're also the youtuber where I'm most likely to drop a series because I want to play the game myself lol but don't shy away from these difficult games I really love when this channel gets masochistic
dude, why am I watching a minesweeper video and I am hooked to it? you make it look so easy.
the most hated by me. It's my sheer inability to think lol. At least you know a 0 is a 1
Same for me, I found Connected a bit basic and Liar just straight up annyoing, but Multiple and Tripled *slapped*
Last video, you got me hooked to minesweeper, I really like the logical reasoning ! The twists brought in this game are interesting, good content !
Day 653 of telling Tyler that he never finished his minecraft series and that he should finish it.
I literally just now finished my baseball game again. Ended at 12:10 am, end me pls
Day 338
Eat
@@frujey I did. I ate 3 tacos from taco bell in 8 bites.
2:50 This whole reasoning can be cut short: 2 and 4 have the same parity*, so the squares unique to the 4 must have an even number of mines.
*parity means "even or odd"
I love aliensrock videos, i get distracted for a second and suddenly im wondering why he has drawn a bunch of bottomless-triangles and lines
"each cell is +1 or -1"
?: You underestimate my power
13:38 very fancy shape
There is game feature that makes it that if you click on a number that has a definite outcome, such as a 3 with 3 empty spaces it will fill all spaces instantly which feels really good to use. It also works for every variant so if there is a 4 on the chessboard variant with three blacks and a white it'll automatically fill the white but leave the blacks. Anyway just a cool feature I found with some examples. It has more applications in the other variants.
Yes. Fulfill my minesweeper addiction.
“I’ll find your mine, I’m a mind reader, now the mine is mine, it’s finders keepers.”
Nice job! That 8x8 looked really tough, you’re really good at minesweeper!
This sounds like it’s an anime main character’s internal monologue in the final season of a show about minesweeper
I swear every time I watch your videos on this game, it sounds like my cat is meowing and I keep having to double check myself
I didn't think I'd like this game or to watch it but seeing the title and first minute made me go back and watch the first 2 episodes to catch up and now I'm hooked.
I'm weak at number puzzle so watching this, I blanked out lol. Tyler's voice is kinda hypnotic though so I kinda sit through his "mine mine mine"
“time is imaginary buy gold buy”-one certain yellow triangle with a hat
This variant has... rather interesting logic to it. I like how it jumped out of the normal logic of min-max cells into the switch-case study. A nice refresh that still retains the spirit of minesweeper I would say. However, I think the logic in L7 and L8 is venturing near the dangerous zone of trial-and-error.
You don't have to branch the logic chains too much if you use parity and set equivalence.
the best rush is knowing everything and it just slots into place faster and faster
I consider myself decent with minesweeper bc I can finish a 12×12 in like ~20 minutes but seeing you do some sort of tricks to figure out where the mines are is insane and at the same time you're commentating too so I'm learning as well
ive always sucked at minesweeper, but the logic to solve these reminds me of picross, which ive played countless hours of, so maybe i should give minesweeper a try
I like your funny words magic man
Everybody gangsta till he gets an 8 but it's on the second gamemode, so it's pushed up to 9 (with a 50/50 chance)
your logic is ... stronger then most people,you may be on one of the smartest youtubers,well just my opinion
There is a no guessing mode in the setting, it generates a new set of mine that fit the rule if you guess.
I suppose this is tangentially related. I picked up Tametsi for myself. I still suck at puzzle, but I think the concept's neat. Same with this one
good luck!
For the last drive of the L8 puzzle i found that by using the remaining 8 mines count you could determine the 4 in the bottom right had to be a 5 because if it wasnt youd have too many safe tiles then it kinda filled in from there
Imagine a "Fibber" rule where any number can eother be correct, one above, or one below.
thanks satan
you can right/left click a number to mark all spaces around it as a mine/not a mine if it is obvious where the mines go
5:45 couldnt be the only one practically yelling at the screen that the 2 couldnt be a 1
8:00 if this, then that if that then this. and repeat forever!
Now I’m a standard minesweeper player, but it’s very hard to understand his very smart intelligence…
Massive brain plays
Damn, imagine someone speed running this
These variant mine sweeper rules are super cool
Thanks to you, I'm actually getting better at Minesweeper!
once i played minesweeper and i was bored, so i have decided to clear a map with 80x80/999 tiles
this could be content tbh
This game is so good
I got the demo too, and this lying one is a KILLER for me
Try starting by the edges and the corners. Usually those are easier to work with.
This is also where the brush tool helps because it allows you to try to pose the hypotheticals before you click. This tool has saved my rear quite a bit recently.
Thats too smart for me i cant even beat normal minesweeper under 2 minutes
this variant makes a 9 completely possible
Very cool. Never really thought about having different rule sets with minesweeper. Looks like fun! =]
this is really trippy...
Everytime I watch it my brain melts.....
You know im noticing that Aliensrock has really developed his skill of finding logical contradictions, and quickly too. Like, he's constantly explaining how two states of things cannot simultaneously be true. Which honestly makes me interested in his political opinions. Ive noticed a lot in politics its a matter of the fact that people dont see contradictions, or think they are justified when there's no logical way to justify it. Just like a flag being somewhere where the information gathered determines it cannot be there.
Maybe next he will try a murder mystery like Ace Attorney.
In the rules of minesweeper, is it required for the game to give you a starting state that can be logically solved?
after watching the video, i feel both dumb and fascinated xD
Have a wonderful day, too! Thanks for the vid
Did you get this from jake??? No… then where did you get it from??? Jake…
"This six has to be a four" Um... six minus one is five, not four.
if minesweeper wasnt hard enough already lol
Schrödinger's Minesweeper
Go brain man, go!
what kind of chaotic neutral developer made this?
It's big brain time 🧠
Im positive that the last video of this(if you 100% this) will feature every single rule
Can someone make The Witness but Minesweeper 🙃
Have you ever played arrow sudoku? It consumed me for months, it’s like sudoku but fun
MY BRAIN HURTS
I think you would love Hexcells
They've already beaten it
He has a series on it under his playlists
could you imagine some of these in 3d minesweeper?
how does your brain fit in your head?
cery nice aliensrock
They missed a pun opportunity: Liesweeper
Lyin’ sweeper
my mind is blown
Trollsweeper! xD
Bro why is he so smart
whoa that’s super weird.
That first puzzle , with the 2. 3s next to each other couldn't there be mines above the 3 on top??
Update . No
Reminds me of sudoku
Schrödinger's Minesweeper?
Rip perfect streak
this hurt my brain
im bad at reg minesweeper
22 seconds wow
A ? mean is it the mine or it not the mine