The Intersectional Crackup with Douglas Murray (Ep.20)
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2020
- Today's guest is Douglas Murray. Douglas is a best-selling author, journalist, and political commentator. He's also an associate editor at the British magazine, The Spectator.
Douglas and I had a wide-ranging conversation about the rise of intersectionality and its consequences for society as a whole. I really enjoyed this one and I hope you do too.
Please note, during the first 2 minutes of the episode, there is a slight audio glitch.
Recording date : 08th of October
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Really enjoyed this episode. One of the most requested guests this year! Enjoy!
Have you released any public statements about your music? I was really upset when it disappeared from Spotify.
Thanks Coleman, this is soul-healing.
Brilliant conversation
This felt more like a relaxing chin wag among friends that the usual take-on-the-world hardcore intellectual debate. More tea anyone?
This video went by too quickly. So nice to listen to smart, rational people discussing issues and letting me know that I haven't lost my mind in this new world of insanity.
A black man and a gay man walk into a room ... and have an absolutely fascinating conversation that has nothing to do with being black or gay.
How all interactions should be.
Fresh Air!
@keith,
By mentioning these things you're part of the problem.
@@donaldobama7204 And were until recently!
As a black guy, I loved the conversation. This is what happens when we're honest about making the world a better place.
I love Murray’s fairness, and honesty, “If you aren’t supposed to be ashamed of [something] then you shouldn’t be proud of it either.” This is another example of the idea of over-correcting an error that has been made for some length of time in our history.
Murray's creativity is really superb
"They write atrociously, because they think atrociously."
-Douglas Murray on CRT writers.
Damn.
Truth!
I ❤ Douglas Murray
Any CRT writer > Douglas Murray
@@CVLFMG Umm no. Douglas Murray > any CRT writer
I love Douglas Murray but his writing is not my favorite
Emotionally, intellectually and historically illiterate
"They are setting up a game that is arranged for their own intellectual comfort" PERFECT ANALYSIS, Douglas!
And by the way, anyone who states that they cannot explain a concept that they want people to accept should immediately be discredited. (Kendi)
Douglas' quote got me also..
When someone says they want to “unpack” an idea, that’s a red flag. It often means they are going to unload a bunch of hooey to try to make sense of the nonsensical.
@@TheAnniegoo I usually find it an indicator that the person is putting some thought behind the idea put forward, which tells me they rely on evidence to at least a degree. This then suggests that they can change their mind if what they consiquently unpack is shown to be flawed. What has happened to make you see it as a red flag? I find this process of analysis to be a good one.
I don't know why, but I love the cadence of Douglas Murray's voice. It's as if he's treating everything he's saying like it's poetry.
He comes from a privileged background.
People like him always have a pleasant demeanor.
It's breeding.
The Simon Cowell of Philosophy!
When Douglas leaves the room I'm always like "COME BACK I WANT TO HEAR MORE!"
Masochist
Intelligent human conversation. Nothing to beat it.
Yet coleman coted for biden, just to continue the intersectionality he hates so much LOL
@@terrythetuffkunt9215 To be fair, the other option was Trump.
THANK YOU for talking about "good" & "bad" writing. I am an high school art teacher and I can tell you that so many students at the high school level have difficulty constructing a clear and understandable SENTENCE, let alone a clear and understandable paragraph or essay. And what horrifies me is that there are actually educators who are calling for teachers to stop correcting students' grammar, vocabulary, spelling and punctuation in their written work. My obvious question is, how will students learn to write in order to be understood if teachers do not correct student writing???
I ran into this ridiculousness as a writing tutor at the university level. The directors of our writing center instructed us to be "gentle" in our corrections and frame them more as suggestions than factual corrections. It was infuriating. But a doctoral student privately hired me as his tutor for three years because he appreciated by direct manner in correcting his grammar.
@@AspasiaB * "by direct manner" should be "my direct manner"? ;-)
Amen to that! ( "an high school teacher" should be "a high school teacher" :-D )
@@machtnichtsseimann Yes it should. I'm usually better at catching autocorrect before I hit enter.
@@AspasiaB ( My friends get annoyed when I go Spelling/Grammar Nazi on their @ss. I was just poking you in good fun. I've lashed my back 1000 times with a wet noodle when after-the-fact I saw my post had errors. )
Thank you for recommending Ground News, I think this is EXACTLY what the world needs
Douglas Murray articulates very clearly, the problems of the current “social justice” climate in The Madness of Crowds.
Two of my favorites on one podcast. This is gonna be good. Regards a listener in cold Norway.
Samme her.
Can't wait to hear this one. Greetings from a somewhat less cold part of Canada.
@@aaoppe artig å støte på en annen nordmann 😊 dette blir bra
Norge!!
Same here. From Faroe Islands (Færøerne) ☺️
2 of the best out. The Madness of Crowds is essential reading to understand what is happening presently in the world
Totally agree. The strange death of Europe as well. The madness of crowds is more significant at the moment ,but the subject of SDoE is also still very much relevant.
The last
@@keitharrowsmith3682 what
Never disagreed with a single word Douglas has written or uttered. His books identify the attack on free thinking by the woke fraternity and islamisation and its repression of individual freedom . He offers little in the way of solutions his suggestion of “running a mile” from wokery does not deal with the infiltration and protecting Christendom by another battle of Vienna is not an optiom. I like to hear his thought on the rise of China
Wonderful conversation. I lean left politically but have deep respect for Douglas Murray's thinking.
@Dusk Hollow I've always called & considered myself conservative, but I also always thought the core of conservatism was common sense. Unfortunately, all of these terms have varying meanings to different people. I've come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is to dispense with such terms, which are meant to convey much more meaning than the bare words, themselves, & simply deal in issues, whether we agree that an issue is actually an issue, how big an issue it is, & how we might solve it. When the terms we use don't mean the same things to us, such as "conservative" & "common sense," perhaps we should set them aside. They've lost their usefulness, maybe. The alternative is to agree upon definitions for them.
Im center left but traditional not posmodern. I love Murray
@@bnjmnwst I really like this comment. I think that this is exactly what needs to happen to make any progress in anything. As long as people blindly identify these terms they automatically keep themselves from meeting in the middle to do anything constructive. It’s the whole I’m over here and you’re over there and there is no middle ground.
If nothing else, a conversation like this helps you see and assimilate how complex thought can be articulated and expanded. Not in 90 second bubble-headed segments on establishment media, but here in the plane of long form human discourse. Bravo!
Sometimes I think the art of conversation is lost today.
"Progress that ends with the brilliant arrival of you". Priceless. And it's an attitude that I think really gained sway with my baby boomer generation, and has now reached a toxic stage.
One of the best, most interesting interviews with Douglas Murray. Coleman's calm manner perfectly suits this type of deep and thoughtful discussion
I wish guys like Coleman and loury could get real national tv time
This kind of thing is the new primetime.
Why? Coleman voted for biden. Coleman voted for BLM. He is a joke.
@@terrythetuffkunt9215 agreed , changed my thoughts on Coleman a bit ,, he has tds
So glad to hear your comment about buddhism understanding that more is not better and Mr Murray's quoting St Paul's conflict with self and actions. Ancient wisdom needs continued emphasis! Thank you both!
I simply adore Douglas Murray. Imho he certainly has found his calling in the world. And his dry humour is marvellous. Thank you, a most enjoyable interview!
This conversation is a flare on the path. Thank you!
Douglas Murray is a gift! Thanks for this excellent conversation!
I love you guys! For real. I am so, so grateful for your work.
The ending was superb. Two men that just had an honest conversation and in mutual respect for each other saying good bye. It`s these little moments that I witness, and as they stand out I feel hope for our culture.
This is the most thoughtful and successful of Murray's interviews/discussions I have listened to, to date. Our current cultural impasse stems from a particular crisis in liberal capitalist culture, to some extent spurred by an intentional, neocon misreading of Fukayama's observations on 'the end of history' and partially from the same political misreading of Ferayerbend's observation, 'anything goes'. These wilful misreadings serve the naturalisation of a globalised, so called 'free market' very neatly. Commensurate with this politically motivated reduction of the necessary and inevitable, epistemological juncture of a 'postmodern deconstruction' to a relativistic re-inscription of binary terms, the so called 'woke' generation have rather lazily, filled the vacuum in stable notions of (religious, ideological, nationalistic) identity, with their own intentional misreading and reduction of the idea of 'intersectionality' (c.f Crenshaw - before Butler) and in so doing have set up a chimera - all display and bluster - that has set the real goals of a philosophy of 'differance' (sic. cf Derrida) back by several decades. The world we currently live in has descended into a 'dark ages' characterised by an unbridled technological diffusion of a new babel of mumbo-jumbo - the pseudo religious and pseudo scientific rantings of a putative (though anachronistic) 'right' and 'left', which leaves us emotionally clinging to our security blanket of choice. Meanwhile, any serious investigation and attempt to 'reconstruct' a workable and sustainable world view is constantly interrupted and elided by all this paranoid, narcissistic and vicious bickering. Which facet of humanity always gains (in terms of power) from these wilful, cultural interventions of 'divide and rule', historically? Murray seems to genuinely struggle with this question here. I would like to see him pay even closer attention to the structures of our current socio-economic arrangements. He has a fatal flaw, it seems to me, in that he passes over the responsibilities and machinations of the real economic elites in constructing or at very least, steering our current malaise. Maybe this is a reflection of his 'habitus' (c.f Boudieu), having grown up in a Catholic school and then Eton and Oxford, he is perhaps, stoically inclined to "render up to Caesar that which is [unproblematically] Caesars'. I would ask him to rather, question, if not everything, then certainly 'the elephant in the room'. I have no doubt that he is capable of doing this, although he might have to get to grips with some of those 'difficult' books (I too, would 'rather read Rilke' and value poetry, performance and music above dry theory but also draw on a broad school of philosophy to help keep abreast of the philosophical challenges facing the species) and look forward to even more erudition on his part. The wise man dismisses nothing.
Give people an amazing conversation and they will still complain about the audio clipping short a few times. Please, there is so much positive here. Let that be the focus.
It's actually pretty bad... It becomes work after a while, trying to figure out how he's ending sentences or using in-between words :-/
Dougie sure is tight-lipped about his bicep routine...
No routine. Just the testosterone of a real man
Red meat and crunches... AND CUT SOY OUT OF YOUR DIET!
@@calstonjew soy delicious. Soy is love, soy is life.🥛
@@abdimojo8794 ghey
@@calstonjew Even the sauce?
Fascinating conversation, many thanks. The quote from Paul around 51:00 is from Romans 7. It is worth pointing out that Christians are listening to both of you. Indeed Douglas's comments about the church in the UK have been sobering, accurate and prophetic in equal measure.
Yes, Douglas grew up in the CofE (I am new to the Anglican Church in thebUS -ACNA) but found it less than satisfying as the priests and bishops sounded like they didn’t believe what they were espousing. Too bad he was part of the Church that had lost its way. 😐
I am impressed that these two scholars speak so respectfully and patiently about people and ideas that disgust me. I think that's the best lesson of the whole conversation. My respect and thanks to Coleman and Douglas.
Thank you for the Ground News tip! I am starved for real unbiased news!
Great conversation Coleman...I'm recommending you to many people...your thinking is clear, honest and open...greetings from Ireland
Installed the app in first two minutes. I have been looking for something that brings balance. Thanks for the advice
Murray's metaphor of the river is really quite good.
Best interview of 2020! My 2 favourite thinkers 🙌🏻💙🥰🤩
The noise gate threshold is way too high. Voices cut out too quickly at the end of statements and too slow to open when talking starts. Especially with a guest who uses space in his speaking, when he pauses it sounds like he's done talking.
Is that a style? I think Sam Harris' podcast is a bit like that, too (or used to be). Maybe he needs to hire a pro to fix it, or is it to fix any white noise issues from the background, so he has to mess around with the settings to just pick up the voices (which would indicate that he needs better soundproofing or something)?
“Why would I read a critical race theory book when I could be reading Rilke?” That’s it in a sentence.
That was about 2 hours too short. Fantastic Coleman thankyou so much.
It's always so beautiful to hear the mind of Douglas unwrap in common sense philosophy and poignant unavoidable truth's
Once something has made it to the mainstream, why redirect it to a stagnant swamp. Why indeed.
There was no other game in town - Except until 2008 and the Ron Paul Liberty Movement!
Excellent conversation. Would happily pay for more !
Brilliant interview. Insightful and inspiring.
Thank you. I needed this and didn't even know it.
So encouraged by this conversation. Thanks so much to you both, gentlemen. Keep fighting the good fight. Cheers!
Fantastic; could we ask for more.
Where part 2 let's get it done Coleman
@@alecchapin9071 Seems like we can, I'm down with it XD
This has been in my watch later for so long, I'm glad that I've watched it.
Also downloaded Ground News.
This discussion served to increase my concern for the generation now in school and for those now of college-age. "No other options other than intersectionality and critical race theory? Really? If they are not finding other options, it can only be because they have been "uneducated". The greatest joys and richness in life come from all the other options. Please, do we have any educators?
That Aha! moment he describes at 33:50 is exactly what I felt when I read Atlas Shrugged. She put into words everything that I felt was normal and logical thinking, interacting and to be expected from myself and other people. Its a great thing.
Love the idea behind the Ground News app, have downloaded. Hope it works as shown.
Best episode yet. We need more critical thinkers to start calling out the new regime
Love it. Great guest, excellent host guiding the conversation.
Yes !! I’ve been waiting for this forever. Coleman and Douglas teased this on Twitter and Instagram over a month ago...
2 bright minds! Love it. I hope more of these discussions get shared and absorbed by people.
The first sponsor I'm excited about! What a brilliant idea, been thinking that something like this should exist for a while now. Fantastic!!
I always find Coleman such a gentlemanly man. You could almost say a quintessentially Englishman who just happens to be an American. What a pleasure it was to hear him and Douglas talk, a real meeting of thoughtful and thought provoking, like minded minds.
Two of the best. I have been listening to a lot of DM lately, but somehow this conversation brought out new depth. Thank you.
Just relistened to this one for the 4th time. Two titans at their finest.
I like how coleman is humble in this talk,its a good sign👍👍😁
In the precence of Murray
Two of my heroes smashing brains together, outstanding.
Thanks so much for organising this Coleman. Happy Christmas too from out here on the net.
To you as well...
This is what eloquence sounds like. Spellbinding.
What a wonderful discussion, thank you both so very much. Please be safe and take care.
Excited to listen to this episode!
Really looking forward to this. Just in time for my christmas holiday, no less.
Douglas Murray is under-rated. Listen to the man... he is a prophetic voice in this generation.
What a stimulating conversation! One of your best. I was disappointed when it ended
I have so looked forward to this!
Two of my absolute favourites.
Thank you both ever so much ✨
Thank you. Keep sane in a difficult time. It is time to keep building bridges.
Dial down the threshold on the noise gate Doug, you're dropping out in the quiet bits.
It's Driving my nuts!
@@hopefully2alpha that’s too much information!
@@MrAristaeus haha! Well, Douglas has been working out...
I had to stop watching. Sound failure
I don't think Doug had anything to do with it. It's bad sound editing.
This is my first listen to Coleman and i like him. Like Douglas he's clearly gone to the original sources, read and understood them; he cites reading Kendi and Judith Butler in this video. I prefer it when hosts of these things have actually read the stuff they're complaining about rather than just relying on secondary sources; makes it feel more authentic. I also appreciate in the beginning where Coleman is squaring his intuition and experiences with the conservative approach about filling a "religion shaped hole" in everyone's heart. If you don't believe in god that shape is going to be hard to fill and than what? Much to ponder. Douglas is sublime as usual; but we all know that!
Love both of you guys. Thanks for a great episode, Coleman.
Great discussion!
The segment about the current cadre of arrogant “presentist” theorists early in the discussion reminded me of two quotes. One political, one biblical. Both out of context, but maybe applicable to the conversation.
“If we open a quarrel between the past and the present we shall find that we have lost the future.” - Churchill
“And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.” Malachi 4:6
To loosely paraphrase: Can we please hold our fore-bearers justly accountable for their faults in the context of their time, but also humbly express a measure of gratitude for the extraordinary legacy they have left us?
Two of my favourites in a discussion.
Excellent conversation.
I wish I had the ability to think or elaborate on thought processes as well as these two gentlemen
It means so much to hear conversations like this. Really appreciate both of you.
Outstanding. Thank you both for this.
How did people in the past find meaning? --Religious fundamentalism; war; racism; imperialism; political revolution; etc.
Shared it. Great interview. Keep'em comin'.
I really needed this conversation. Thank you.
Great conversation! Two of the best, together at last. Wonderful!
This is so good! Thanks Coleman
Absolutely love both these guys, this should be great. Also ground news looks brilliant.
Really lovely episode, so calming yet very interesting conversation conducted in a non profane manner
Thank you, I really enjoyed this conversation.
Tim Pool gave a definition of "systemic racism" a couple of days ago; he believes that systemic racism just means that we had past race based policies (i.e. Jim Crow laws) and practices (redlining) built into the system which still negatively effect specific races today.... whereas "institutional racism" were the actual policies and practices.
If a problem still exists ((i.e. generational wealth transfer), this is the most sensible way of looking at it that I've heard. "The paradox of a racist society without racists" that the woke cult seem to be pushing on us without any coherent clarification needs to stop; and so does their racist path to redemption and salvation.
James Lindsay has an accurate interpretation of the made-up term "systemic racism." He wrote an article called "Why nobody is systemically racist" and it's on newdiscourses.com. I recommend!
"Why Nobody is Systemically Racist - New Discourses" newdiscourses.com/2020/07/nobody-systemically-racist/
@@emilyk.5664 that article looks interesting, and a bit scary; I'll have to read the rest later, but if BLM is founded on a doctrine that "white people" are an entity which must be oppressed, even violently, for black people to be liberated, then I can only predict that racism is going to get a lot worse if their movement continues to gain traction.
Excellent conversation, thanks guys
Thank you Coleman for this thought provoking conversation.
I really like Ground News and I'm glad you are promoting it.
Always erudite and thoughtful. Thank you for offering moderate careful conversations.
I’ve been looking forward to this.
Can't wait for Coleman's book!
Excellent conversation. Thank you.
is there a slightly over-zealous noise gate on Douglas' vocal?...
Sounds choppy on coleman too but yes you're completely right
Correct
Yes. It’s tiring on the ears
The sound does improve as it goes on
Yes. He should reupload.
Thank you!
You should have Bradley Campbell and Jason Manning on. They wrote a book, The Rise of Victimhood Culture. I haven't seen them run the circuit on any podcast, but it appears they have a unique sociological perspective on whats going on in society right now. Their book is definitely a worthwhile read if you haven't already.
Thank you Coleman for invit the most inteligent english gentelman who speak truth! Bright minds!! Excellent conversation..we keep hope thanks to you both❤
Fantastic discussion! Big fan of both of you!
I recently came across you on a podcast, thank you for these episodes, I am really enjoying getting to know your points of views and way of interacting with others!
Thank you for this conversation Mr. Hughes. I appreciate your work.
Mr. Murray impresses as usual.
The core of many of our current issues, is a mixture of; a wilful disregard for what is demonstrably true & not knowing how to reach a point where "truth" can be demonstrated & valued.
You both serve and serve well . For this I’m grateful.