Yes these two, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray, have always been among the best, and they’ve been warning about the threats we now face for years. Winston Marshall also, newer, but excellent. Along with Melanie Philips, Lionel Shriver, Andy Ngo,
As a woman living in an African country, I can assure you that everything Ayaan is saying is true. I get cat-called and ogled at every single time I go out. I'm working on moving countries at this point because I'm tired of feeling unsafe in the public space. Thankfully, I have a second nationality and actually have a country to move to. My heart aches for the women who are stuck in these woman-hating countries with nowhere else to go. There is a perpetual cycle of sexual harassment in the streets as well as in the home. I have to think twice about what I'm going to wear and where I'm going. It's hot outside right now and I still cover myself head-to-toe in hopes I don't get cat-called and guess what? I STILL get harassed. European governments need to get honest with themselves about what's happening in their countries. PLEASE protect your women. PLEASE choose the truth over political correctness. All women in Europe, whether local or of immigrant origins, need to be protected. I don't want what happens to me in Africa to happen to you. Lobby your governments, complain, and fight this. A woman living in Europe/the West should not have to think about what she is going to wear for fear of being harassed. It breaks my heart that women living in free, democratic societies are suffering. Thank you, Ayaan, for speaking up about this. I'm so grateful you exist.
Should the women in your country be allowed to immigrate to Europe so they are safe from the men there? “A woman living in Europe/the West should not have to think about what she is going to wear for fear of being harassed.” No woman should anywhere, but that’s not the case. Even when I was underage and covered neck to toe, I’ve gotten harassed by catcallers-in the West. And no, they weren’t foreigners.
@@casebased8391 No one is entitled to immigration anywhere. If a woman wants to move to another country, of course she can, but it has to be by applying for a visa and following the law. I don't know what you mean by "allow" exactly. Please do elaborate. Of course no woman should have to worry about that anywhere, I agree. I said that because the conversation here is focused on the issue in Europe/the West. I never said that cat-calling and sexual harassment don't happen in the West! I'm sorry to hear that you've experienced this. I have been followed and harassed since I was 11 so I know what that's like... Of course these things happen everywhere, but I can assure you, based on my experiences and what other women and girls have shared with me, it definitely happens A LOT more in certain countries/regions. To be honest, I've traveled across Europe extensively and have NEVER been cat-called or sexually harassed there. It's just not something I've experienced. On the other hand, I've also traveled across Africa and the Middle East and have been cat-called/harassed in every single country I visited, from North and West Africa to Qatar! From the moment I set my foot on the sidewalk here, men look at me like I'm a piece of meat and comment on my appearance/what they'd like to do to me. It's something women in this region deal with on a daily basis. Also to make it clear, I am a national of this African country, not an expat! I've lived here since I was a child. I just happen to have dual citizenship with a Western country.
@@casebased8391 You clearly have zero idea how Peace Religion Societies and those influenced by them see women. You clearly can't comprehend societies and nations which demand that women be segregated and covered up for their own protection and forbidden from social interactions with men outside their family
@@raisingirl If you are a Black woman you should relocate to another African country. Mixing cultures has been the worst social experiment ever. Foreigners should be able to visit other countries but not be able to settle. Present thoughts are Africa for African. Asia for Asians. Western white countries for everyone.
Ayann first & foremost speaker of truth. Sam Harris, Douglas & even our morbidly obese pageant queen Drumpf sought to stem the onslaught of this heinous, misogynistic, pedo blend of church & state.
When I listen to people like Iyaan, Douglas, Jordan Peterson and others, I realise we have powerful voices of reason on our side and it makes me more confident that these are winnable battles.
Only if we take no notice and let the Woke ideas thrive. I think we are already in danger as a lot of people have already lost their jobs because of being accused of political incorrectness. Governments are buying into it.
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Am one of those Migrant women who speaks out since i noticed the UK i came to as a refugee from East Africa 1985. I have since then moved to the Netherlands now close to 20 yrs and 16 in UK previously. I have continued to speak of the discriminations of my first 21 years as a refugee from Rwanda living in Uganda as well as on occasion when we lived in Kenya.. I must say Tanzania where we lived while sheltering from the infamous Idi Amin, was an oasis which vindicated the idea that in Africa tribalism can never be challenged. I think Nyerere would be one Ayaan would appreciate. I still visit Tanzania even now and its still coming home for me..
Listening to this measured, calm, intelligent woman. I'm wondering how we've come to a point where well thought out and researched views are seen as controversial. I'm at a loss.
Make sure to watch her new debate today on macalia Peterson channel . She attracts Muslims and calls them backwards watch how she gets intelligently beaten
@@beverleypettit3577 she is a disgrace. She is against what she was an immigrant. The irony . I am Somali and we all disown her . She talks about Islam as if 2 billion people are a ticking bomb . Apple plusher she is for the white peoples . Even disgrace to the black communities
@Aero01 Absolutely right! I think she has an agenda that as a Brit, I do not like. We've helped too many people only to be taken full advantage of. I wonder what these people will do when they've drained Britain dry?
@@antihebrew had similar. Started with all the obnoxious ideas that the greens had. I said they put a windmills everywhere I grill a nice peace of beef and drink a bottle of red. Similar with brexit or OMB - but at this stage I could not cope with the amount of alc I had to consume. So now I do summary celebrations of human stupidity every few weeks with an expensive wine and a proper t-bone. Once in a month is max I can do.
This is how Tommy Robinson gets into trouble he speaks truth with passion and anger at wrong, he has also been warning us and researching this for years
Privileged to have listened to you both. Like drinking fresh spring water. Two brave souls whistling into the wind. THANK YOU Douglas and Ayaan. Sanity prevails ....but only just.
When I find myself being disappointed with this world and it’s hypocrisies, listening to Ayaan gives me hope. She is woman of great intellect and great integrity. God bless her and protect her for her work..
I agree with you totally, I could listen to Ayaan for hours, she’s so calm and insightful with such a lovely accent to, hello from Sheffield England btw 🙋♂️🙏👌
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Ayaan’s awareness of nuanced British cultural sentiments is absolutely incredible for someone that lives in the States whose first language isn’t even English. For example, her understanding of the deification of the NHS amongst the public. Remarkable person.
Ayaan might live in the USA (for her own safety) is an ardent researcher, has personally experienced what she argues against, but is also married to the amazing Niall Ferguson, thus has a good insight of British culture.
@@katherinemoreland8184 for her own safety? Or to sow hate against muslims and islam? We in the netherlands fell for her skeems 2. She should not blame islam but her parents and her culture.
I agree. Sadly it doesn't get nearly enough publicity and the government tries to ignore the subject or flat out calls concerned citizens racists. I'm German and it's only getting worse over here. The koran being taught and advertised in schools, while crosses are taken down and some areas discuss about stopping church bells, because they offend muslims... And I'm not even a Christian. 🤷♂️
Utterly absorbing. Have admired both Ayaan and Douglas for years, and agree that they are amongst the most courageous people in the Western world. If only governments would learn something from their honesty and integrity, but that isn't going to happen.
Agreed, if people simply told these mainly online groups to fuck off. What can they do? It's the employers and people who bend to their requests that are the problem. Otherwise they are just another group of loons to ignore.
@@squaretriangle9208 Then we need to stand up for them, the more that do the less it will happen. Sometimes it is difficult to be brave but brave we must be.
@@PaddyIrishman don’t you think it’s too late for that? Our chance to shut them down was 6 or 7 years ago. Now they’re in the government, law, military, k-12, social media, universities.
What kind of worthless divisive comment is that? Disagreement with someone means they’re stupid? What a myopic, ignorant view to take of other human beings.
30:40 "The Royal Academy of Music recently announced that it's decolonizing it's collection of ancient instruments" - I can't bear this any more. It's too much. It's a Jonestown-style cultural suicide that we're all being forced to participate in.
thé worst thing is those items will be stolen or destroyed but the constantly waring tribes of terrorist corrupt govts and gangs. If not destroyed , then sold on the black market
The sad thing is,is what Ayaan is saying is regarded as some kind of news in some quarters. We've known this for years. The simple fact is that young men from Afghanistan or similar, have never seen a pair of young girls legs or boobs and as soon as they get to the UK. they immediately assume that all this countries girls are fair prey to do with as they please. It's a cultural phenomenon purely and simply.
I am from India Most muslim societies live in ghettos some as old as 400 years old . They never assimilate lock thr woman up in thr homes and only men appear on the streets Most of them Young unemployed and unmarried No one goes thr bcz they're worried about the safety.
The problem with your insight is it subtlety shifts blame away from these sexual predators and toward the society that shaped them and the women who dress normally. So no, I don’t agree.
@@paritoshdaurwal9484 Your comment gave me chills of recognition. I am Danish and in the past five-ten years Denmark has received an unsustainable amount of immigration, predominantly muslim, and what you describe has very quickly become a new norm here.
What a great pair, wonderful refreshing conversation that helps us keep our sanity. Amazing that it is her 4th language too, makes one feel quite inadequate. 😂. Look forward to the next one and thank you both.
We should not be surprised at this - working class girls in numerous towns in the UK have been subjected to this abuse for decades. Our lack of will to acknowledge and deal with this problem when it first appeared has allowed this to become the major problem it is today. We have been badly let down by successive governments, police, justice system and major institutions for many years and we are now seeing the results.
Time to stop relying on strangers and politicians to protect you and your family then. If you don't get active and just keep whispering to one another then it will get much worse - you will lose your country and culture.
@@marymolloy562 More like they target teenage girls because they're easier to persuade due to their own egos of thinking they're more mature than they actually are and provide them with alcohol, cigarettes and drugs and in return they sleep with them which then leads on to them forcing her to sleep with his friends. They also flatter girls in a very aggressive way that is all talk but seems to grip them. In my hometown, in Eastbourne near Brighton, they target drunk women and loiter around in packs. It's become a huge issue that no one seems to want to address.
Its a humanity broken and we indivudually men and women have to see it as such and and act instantly in protect these kids with pride as our own, our kids and nothing more. Give them space to be kids and hence great humans.
One of my favorite fellow dual National African Brains. Am of Rwandan roots British and Dutch and absolutely loved her when she was being brave here which consequently led to her move to US. Our loss their gain🙋🏾♀️
Amazing interview as I’d expect from Douglas ! Thankyou to both of you & infinity respect to people like yourselves to eventually end the lies in this madness of lies & a woke world, the original west’s policies will win over this madness. Facts will eventually win. Again Thankyou
I always recall the tragic death of an Eritrean woman in Glasgow, suspended by her hair and then dropped to her death from an upper storey of a block of council flats by...(based on initial accounts; the media never returned to this story)...an Eritrean/Muslim man. The local Labour councillor was quoted in the paper blaming racism and the lack of welcome for refugees, despite this being, based on the reported evidence, an incident of either domestic abuse or tribal retribution. It, to me, was another reason never to vote Labour again.
Geographically you & I are far apart. Politically, I’m thinking, we’ve parallels. The horrific murder in Glasgow that your Labour party chose to ignore? I was a lifelong liberal democrat. Then, 2017, Ayaan was cancelled by my party. I, too, left in disgust. Douglas & Ayaan are critical thinkers heroically speaking rational facts.
This actually hints at a PC issue no one wants to talk about... I do believe smaller communities have the right to decide who they let in to become a neighbour. If something looks and sounds like trouble (yes, people generally are not blind nor mute), then it most likely is. Woke can shove their "racism" card and move to better lands to continue their virtue signalling should they wish and, benefit from trouble... The rest will democratically say "NO".
I live in the East end of Glasgow and in the last few years tensions amongst locals are high. Labour council signed up to 10 years of accepting refugees and asylum seekers but Labour councillors saw it was not working and tried to get out of the agreement (according to a local councillor) but were told it had to run the full 10 years. SNP council has signed us up to another 10 years. Last year a local primary school went from less than 1% ethnic minorities to 10%. It has been said by teachers there that next year will probably be 20%. Because of change in Scottish law we talk in whispers because to complain verbally could cause a charge of racism under the new Hate Crime Bill. Area after area has been systematically filled with refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants. The North East had 2/3 years now the East End and it is mostly Africans with bad manners and entitlement. I'll tell you a story of my first encounter with African women. Walking along my street 2 women who had just moved into a beautiful refurbished home wished me good morning. I happened to say to a neighbour how nice they were. The response shocked me. He was a Hotel manager in the South of Glasgow and knew them well. They had been housed in his hotel and complaints from other residents of screams and smells coming from their room caused him to investigate. They refused to open the door and he used his pass key. They had a camping stove burning in the middle of the room and were performing ritual slaughter. He refused to tell me the animal saying I would be upset but I think it was a cat or small dog. The women were from Darfur and pretended not to speak any English. He said when he entered their room the foul language they screamed at him was disgusting. The police did nothing. A Nigerian asylum seeker with a string of children but a brand new car drew attention because he and his wife were loudly shouting at a pensioner they claimed had scratched his car when passing. There as a tiny mark which a woman said she could rub off with a duster but was demanding he went to the man's bank and collect £1000 for repair. He went down to £500 but when it was suggested calling the police he drove off. Alex Salmond started it all when he pleaded with Westminster to send Scotland as many immigrant families as possible. Glasgow was doomed to be a multicultural city. What angers me is that Scots from all around the country say we welcome immigrants but most of them don't have them as neighbours. Most things that happen are probably kept from public knowledge but a Journalist brought to light a case that was being hidden by the police. The police had identified a sex grooming gang of 53 asylum seekers who were all Muslim. These men had been preying/raping girls from a children's home. Only a few were brought to trial and one deported but some fled to England and it is believed about 20 still walk the streets of Glasgow,
@@pathughes8902 I am here, from USA, to thank you for such a heroic comment. Can’t believe UA-cam didn’t censor your stated experience. Another hero of mine is Ayann Hirsi Ali. She dared to speak the same concerns re perversions & lack of assimilation (sex gangs; animal torture; rampant female abuse; incest & homoerotic pedo insanity. Got cancelled. Our border crossers are Mexicans. I’ve much respect! They come here to what was their land - before we stole their land & tortured them into “Christianity” - a land they shared w/Native Americans. We still seek to disappear them both. Neither are immigrants. We are ALL trespassing upon THEIR lands. We are brutal in our continuing persecution of these people who are striving to succeed, assimilate, against all odds. Yet they - especially Mexicans - prosper. Native Americans more so prefer apolitical silence. To speak up is to be genocided. I despise Right v Left politics. Hated our mutual golf CURSE plaid cunt Drumpf. But his ban on Muslims? He’s my boy. Our fat bloated poofed up, orange pompadoured pageant queen got this right. Ban Muslims. Unfortunately he was so wrong re the Hispanics & First Nation people. They are the heart & soul of this country. You speak truth. I read. I dig. History & world events are important to me. Religion. Philosophy. Orwell. Ayann, Hitchens, Sam Harris. Danger signs flashing Red Alert. My former Liberal party is to blame. Islam is great. Fatwas if one dares speak out against this pedo melding of women hate,, church & state. Yet the RepubliCons spewing their own hatred of women. Denying us rights over our own bodies? They are also implicit in this misogyny. They are Domimists. Handmaids Tale playbook. John Lennon said it best. Said it when he actually could. Before words got owned. “WOMEN ARE THE NIGGERS OF THE WORLD.”
@@pathughes8902 My point is one doesn't have to racist to understand the conflict, mismatch of multi-culture. There are NO benefits, only trouble. There's NOTHING good to gain. Human rights? It is a CITIZEN's (has anyone else notice them lefties avoid using this term?) right to stay safe, speak your own language, worry about you own problems, pay tax to your OWN government for your own GOOD, heck, even pay your own CHURCH should one be person of faith. Feeding illegals and conflicting cultures is not in citizen's good and can be classified as treachery in certain parts of the world. Rightfully so.
@@jonahtwhale1779 I had this conversation years ago. A village, town, city or country. What makes it good or bad? Of course it's the people. Think of the most horrible place on the planet - somewhere that you would be seriously afraid for your life. Air lift some of that population into your own locality on a 1:1 ratio. Does it really take a genius to realise what would be the consequences? This is what fuels many of the fears regarding people fleeing blue states to avoid crippling taxes and impossible bureaucracy, then continuing to vote Democrat in their new red state havens.
All strength to you, Douglas, and Ayaan. High time we, the silent majority stood up to be counted. I am old enough to remember Nikita Kruschev predicting in the 1960s that the West will bring about its own demise. He meant that identity politics would be the pathway. CRT and identity politics were used with great success to soften up the Russian and Chinese populations before totalitarian Communist policies were imposed with draconian force and violence. In those countries the intelligentsia who were brave enough to complain, (and even those that were just suspected of something) lost their jobs and were sent to work as peasants or were jailed in gulags, which made others think twice. Today, in Canada (of all places), the same thing is happening to academics who are accused of anything that may have offended the 'woke 'brigade, (even unknowingly and unintentionally). They are then stripped of their positions and suspended without pay for months until a hearing is arranged. One can see the parallel here of what happened in China and Russia in the mid twentieth century. The perpetrators of this Marxist ideology are not the oppressed working class; they are a bunch of comfortably-off middle class individuals who obviously have an agenda which bodes ill for the freedoms that the West has always enjoyed. I rather think it will be the 'working class' who will save the West and its way of life. And the sooner the better.
*_Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal._* ~ Karl Popper, 1945
This same argument is cited by antifa and the woke, anti-racist cause, so the fundamental issue comes down to exactly what ideas, ideologies, and human actions we as a society agree to tolerate or condemn. The logic is sound, but the devil is in the details. In my experience, the greatest threat to the survival of the human species is the mutation that causes psychopathy. The selfish, amoral psychopaths can be found everywhere there is corruption, theft, environmental destruction, slavery, trafficking, and genocide. This is the one categorical type that I am confident in saying we should not tolerate.
@@mikeoglen6848 I can reply if you clarify what you’re referring to by the word “This” in your response. To expand further: in our zombie films, a mutation or disease is identified in a population and it’s clear that this group poses a threat to the global survival of the human race. What if the real “zombies” are psychopaths (making up an estimated 4-5% of the population, all genders, all races), and a subset of that population is fully prepared to rape and pillage the planet and other humans for their own personal gratification until there’s nothing left to sustain us. Do we deal with that or do we stand idly by and watch our own demise?
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I wanted to study history at the university of Manchester but they told me it was full. I waited another year and they said the same and offered politics and international relations. Most of my lectures talk of Marxism and identity politics. On reflection I see how everyday I was being taught communism now. And that includes right from my interview to get in.
I got the same thing in my second year of law. Had a mandatory module on employment law that was literally a diversity and inclusion training course. Left, became an engineer to get away from that shit now I’m forced to put pride flags in fucking email signatures. What you gonna do?
So it never occurred to you to choose another university which doesn't say much about your learning ability.Strange, too,that you didn't figure out that universities are not places where you parrot the ideas of lecturers whose role is to stimulate ideas
Why do you need to study history at the University? Studying history isn't a skill like becoming a doctor or a mechanic. If you can read you can study history, you just do it. Just buy history books & then read them. Cut out the middle man.
@@autodidact537 Proper study of history involves reading and interpreting ORIGINAL sources, not some-one else’s idea of what they might contain. This involves being at a university which affords access to masses of original historical documents - like Oxford. You then can challenge what your Marxist Professor says. That’s the idea anyway.
How did I miss this 2 years ago? Oh that's right.. distracted by my governments insistence that bodily autonomy isn't a thing. This woman has my deepest respect and admiration. Murray and Ali are voices of reason getting more attention amidst the manufactured static.
Ayaan is also from other culture. Though she get Dutch citizenship but that doesn't make her Dutch. She is African just like Arabs are from other culture. Europe is only for European. All people should built their countries rather than demographically changing Europe. Muslim and African are on top than Asians. London only have muslims, blacks and Indian. No white British.
There are other Albanians trafficking women and drugs into the uk. Western men use these raped women do it's a issue that is about how men treat women . Even porn is just using white women. And it's full of trafficking too. If b e happy to ban it
Hi Ayaan & Douglas,..miss Ayan Hirsi Ali thank you💐☘️ for courage & determination in face of death threat's & your stance against fascist political-islam,🌈
What is strange to me is that the rise of CRT, identity politics etc seems to be in direct correlation with declining mental health, the more all this seems to be pushed on everyone the more depressed and miserable we all seem to be becoming, in all my 51 yrs I have never felt so scared of where society is heading
This is even worse than hiding who is doing the attacks, they will also directly lie about it and blame “whíte” men even when they know that isn’t true. I’m not saying all whíte people are angels but it even worse to hide something and blame someone else so that they are háted for something they didn’t do. Look up a video the real face of Asían hàté and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about.
@@GhostSal Dont need to look it up... It's obvious. A culture of violence borne up from the inner cities that instills victimhood, entitlement and malice combined with a zero-sum game view of success that tells them that if someone has something good, well they must have taken it away from THEM. I hope LBJ is in hell.
Brilliant woman and very brave as well. She has the courage to challenge all the narrative of bureaucrats and academics when is false and ideological. She has suffered the oppression of Islam, the rejection of the Dutch establishment and now is hated by the American ideological contaminated morons. Society needs more people like her. Thanks Douglas.
Thank you, Ayaan for saying how crazy things have become in America. My few friends are stunned by what's happening, while most whom I know go blithely, blindly along. I am heart sickened by all of it.
I am in awe of people (like Ayaan and Douglas) because they still navigate today's world AS IF there was still accountability, listening to reason and ethical/moral standards. There is none - do not look for it, do not appeal to it, do not pretend that your voice matters. Everything has gone down the drain. The swineherd is speeding towards the precipice.....
What I like about this is that Douglas Murray has pushed a chair in front of the door to block it so that no-one can barge in on him while he's zooming. Class act.
I read Infidel and look forward to reading Pray or is it Prey. I have always felt myself to be a socio:/ethic investigator. I love the wisdom of this wonderful woman. There is nothing she says that I disagree with. I am an algo Dominican Republic born 74 year old who has grown up in Texas . I always had my own ideas about all these subjects. It is amazing how congruent her ideas are with mine. It has been a liberating experience to hear and read her. She is experienced, brilliant, brave, and deserves a large audience! Thanks for having her on.
The woke puritans would put just a small twist on exactly the same viewpoint as yours. They would say only we can speak about this and justice must be done. Very, very similar viewpoints.
@@nonfictionone unsure of your point BUT we are not in EU autocracy, any foreign born criminal must be deported Child rapists must be given a real hard time and UK must work for British families Not foreign feelings, filling a 500 mile island with radicals is treason end of and Tony Blair must be in court for treason and war crimes, our police and law system are corrupt against the British, im in Scotland under Islamic offence laws hence my first comment, an utter OUTRAGE for now democracy has left us.
I’m old enough to remember when, in Britain, the dream team meant Neil Kinnock and Roy Hattersley as the leaders of the Labour Party. What a comparison !
There has to be a TV series somewhere in this podcast - the kind of thing produced by Lew Grade with an Edwin Astley theme - a bit like The Protectors or The Persuaders.....Ayaan would look so cool in a red Alfa Romeo Disco Voltante....All Douglas Murray needs is a cravat and an E-Type Jag.
I think that was an effective way to put things: that Mr. Floyd would be amazed at how his death affected the world. Quite honestly, he may be impressed about some things but quite apalled by other things.
Thank you Ayaan for being such a proud, grateful, ideal example of a Western Heroine. Your standing against temptation to use Race or Colonial Victim Status to your benefit as you could, rather to instead see the qualities of Western values and become a true torch bearer, taking the fight on our behalf for our Values against true enemies of freedoms and Women's rights such as coming from Islam etc. This makes you a more cherished Westerner in my eyes than any "Natural Born" Westerner, especially than those of us whom take for granted or Freedoms. Thank you so much for literally fighting potentially with your life on all of our behalf, thank you
@DM I couldn't have said it better ...although I would never see Ayaan as 'proud'. Brave or courageous, YES - but not proud. She's to dignified to for that.
An amazingly graceful, informative discussion. What a beautiful and beautifully intelligent lady; Douglas, as ever, is a jolly clever chap and a delight to listen to. 🙏
Murray is one of my favorite personalities. Absolutely love the guy, his clear head, his rock-solid logic. But something tells me he would be an a-hole editor. To be sure, I've worked for my fair share of them, but something tells me he'd take the cake.
Even if one counts all the ills and injustices of capitalist society, the irony of the ingratitude of so many communities of color is rich. As an antidote to such ingratitude, Ayaan Hirsi Ali could be joined by Coleman Hughes, Glenn Loury, John McWhorter the great Thomas Sowell and, even if too far to the right for my tastes, the undeniably charismatic Candace Owens and Larry Elder. My apologies for the lack or Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Kiwis on the list! It's open to expansion. Ayaan and Douglas are terrific! Much appreciation to both.
"I think George Floyd would have been surprised to have heard that his killing led to a purge of harpsichords in London." Unsure to nod thoughtfully or laugh outward very loudly.
I may underestimate him now but I would be surprised if he knew the word or the instrument it describes. It was a tragedy that he had to die. It was a even bigger tragedy that followed and we have not seen all the results of the woke revolution just yet.
The pair of you are wonderful, encouraging and enriching to the Anglosphere. Thank you both, I will do my best to find my way to contribute and keep the balanced debate and the live alive.
Ayaan goes above and beyond. Murray and Ayaan talking together is the coolest thing ever. Do this more.
Yes these two, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray, have always been among the best, and they’ve been warning about the threats we now face for years. Winston Marshall also, newer, but excellent. Along with Melanie Philips, Lionel Shriver, Andy Ngo,
"English is my 4th language."...incredible woman.
As a woman living in an African country, I can assure you that everything Ayaan is saying is true. I get cat-called and ogled at every single time I go out. I'm working on moving countries at this point because I'm tired of feeling unsafe in the public space. Thankfully, I have a second nationality and actually have a country to move to.
My heart aches for the women who are stuck in these woman-hating countries with nowhere else to go. There is a perpetual cycle of sexual harassment in the streets as well as in the home. I have to think twice about what I'm going to wear and where I'm going. It's hot outside right now and I still cover myself head-to-toe in hopes I don't get cat-called and guess what? I STILL get harassed.
European governments need to get honest with themselves about what's happening in their countries. PLEASE protect your women. PLEASE choose the truth over political correctness. All women in Europe, whether local or of immigrant origins, need to be protected. I don't want what happens to me in Africa to happen to you.
Lobby your governments, complain, and fight this. A woman living in Europe/the West should not have to think about what she is going to wear for fear of being harassed. It breaks my heart that women living in free, democratic societies are suffering.
Thank you, Ayaan, for speaking up about this. I'm so grateful you exist.
Should the women in your country be allowed to immigrate to Europe so they are safe from the men there?
“A woman living in Europe/the West should not have to think about what she is going to wear for fear of being harassed.” No woman should anywhere, but that’s not the case. Even when I was underage and covered neck to toe, I’ve gotten harassed by catcallers-in the West. And no, they weren’t foreigners.
@@casebased8391 No one is entitled to immigration anywhere. If a woman wants to move to another country, of course she can, but it has to be by applying for a visa and following the law. I don't know what you mean by "allow" exactly. Please do elaborate.
Of course no woman should have to worry about that anywhere, I agree. I said that because the conversation here is focused on the issue in Europe/the West.
I never said that cat-calling and sexual harassment don't happen in the West! I'm sorry to hear that you've experienced this. I have been followed and harassed since I was 11 so I know what that's like...
Of course these things happen everywhere, but I can assure you, based on my experiences and what other women and girls have shared with me, it definitely happens A LOT more in certain countries/regions. To be honest, I've traveled across Europe extensively and have NEVER been cat-called or sexually harassed there. It's just not something I've experienced. On the other hand, I've also traveled across Africa and the Middle East and have been cat-called/harassed in every single country I visited, from North and West Africa to Qatar!
From the moment I set my foot on the sidewalk here, men look at me like I'm a piece of meat and comment on my appearance/what they'd like to do to me. It's something women in this region deal with on a daily basis.
Also to make it clear, I am a national of this African country, not an expat! I've lived here since I was a child. I just happen to have dual citizenship with a Western country.
@@casebased8391 You clearly have zero idea how Peace Religion Societies and those influenced by them see women. You clearly can't comprehend societies and nations which demand that women be segregated and covered up for their own protection and forbidden from social interactions with men outside their family
This attitude is because of the religion they believe in. Get rid of that religion.
@@raisingirl If you are a Black woman you should relocate to another African country. Mixing cultures has been the worst social experiment ever. Foreigners should be able to visit other countries but not be able to settle. Present thoughts are Africa for African. Asia for Asians. Western white countries for everyone.
Ayaan and Douglas - two of the bravest people in public life today.
Don't forget Andy Ngo!
I deeply treasure Douglas Murray.
You uneducated slack jawed right wing morons are the scum of the Earth. You weak cowardly losers.
@David Joyce And why not ?
Ayann first & foremost speaker of truth. Sam Harris, Douglas & even our morbidly obese pageant queen Drumpf sought to stem the onslaught of this heinous, misogynistic, pedo blend of church & state.
When I listen to people like Iyaan, Douglas, Jordan Peterson and others, I realise we have powerful voices of reason on our side and it makes me more confident that these are winnable battles.
I doubt. Since unreasonable people controlled by the mass media (easy fix and emotional pictures nowadays to win clickbaits) are in the majority.
Including JP is an injustice to the other two
@@jane.elliot5782 agreed, don't know if you ever saw this ua-cam.com/video/LD_9shz80MQ/v-deo.html
Only if we do something about it.
Only if we take no notice and let the Woke ideas thrive. I think we are already in danger as a lot of people have already lost their jobs because of being accused of political incorrectness. Governments are buying into it.
Voices of sanity in this current world of insanity. Thank you both!
Absolutely Kratoz.
Both Light in a now very darkened world.
This should be - at the very least - a weekly radio show. Thank you both for your incredible contributions.
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Am one of those Migrant women who speaks out since i noticed the UK i came to as a refugee from East Africa 1985. I have since then moved to the Netherlands now close to 20 yrs and 16 in UK previously. I have continued to speak of the discriminations of my first 21 years as a refugee from Rwanda living in Uganda as well as on occasion when we lived in Kenya.. I must say Tanzania where we lived while sheltering from the infamous Idi Amin, was an oasis which vindicated the idea that in Africa tribalism can never be challenged. I think Nyerere would be one Ayaan would appreciate. I still visit Tanzania even now and its still coming home for me..
Listening to this measured, calm, intelligent woman. I'm wondering how we've come to a point where well thought out and researched views are seen as controversial. I'm at a loss.
Make sure to watch her new debate today on macalia Peterson channel . She attracts Muslims and calls them backwards watch how she gets intelligently beaten
@Susan Watson
Ayaan Hirsi Ali | Light in an insane world.
Bless you Ayaan.
And you Douglas.
@@beverleypettit3577 she is a disgrace. She is against what she was an immigrant. The irony . I am Somali and we all disown her . She talks about Islam as if 2 billion people are a ticking bomb . Apple plusher she is for the white peoples . Even disgrace to the black communities
@Aero01 Absolutely right! I think she has an agenda that as a Brit, I do not like. We've helped too many people only to be taken full advantage of. I wonder what these people will do when they've drained Britain dry?
Thank you both Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray for the breath of fresh air and sanity.
I don't know how these two can speak so calmly and eloquently about these issues. My words are garbled with murderous rage.
I took up drinking and drugs 12 years ago to cope with modernity. The only problem is that the money runs out too quick, otherwise I'm laughing.
@@antihebrew had similar. Started with all the obnoxious ideas that the greens had. I said they put a windmills everywhere I grill a nice peace of beef and drink a bottle of red. Similar with brexit or OMB - but at this stage I could not cope with the amount of alc I had to consume. So now I do summary celebrations of human stupidity every few weeks with an expensive wine and a proper t-bone. Once in a month is max I can do.
This is how Tommy Robinson gets into trouble he speaks truth with passion and anger at wrong, he has also been warning us and researching this for years
Privileged to have listened to you both.
Like drinking fresh spring water.
Two brave souls whistling into the wind.
THANK YOU Douglas and Ayaan.
Sanity prevails ....but only just.
Two great minds.
When I find myself being disappointed with this world and it’s hypocrisies, listening to Ayaan gives me hope. She is woman of great intellect and great integrity. God bless her and protect her for her work..
I agree with you totally, I could listen to Ayaan for hours, she’s so calm and insightful with such a lovely accent to, hello from Sheffield England btw 🙋♂️🙏👌
@@ScumDenial hello from Liverpool England ❤️👍
@@davehallett810 hello Dave 🙋♂️
"When a man loves a woman, he has to become worthy of her. The higher her virtue, the more noble her character, the more devoted she is to truth, justice, goodness, the more a man has to aspire to be worthy of her." -Venerable Fulton J. Sheen
I don't think God blesses Atheists like Ayaan.🤔😉😏
Ayaan is an inspiration so brave, so intelligent and so charming.
Right u are!👊🏻👌🏻👏🏻
She's brilliant!
You forgot beautiful!
No check what we in the netherlands think about her.
Absolutley right.
Words are not enough to express my admiration for Douglas and Ayaan! I hope they team up again really soon!
100% with you there Lizzie CK.
Thank God for honest, brave, and articulate leaders like Aayan and Douglas.
Ayaan’s awareness of nuanced British cultural sentiments is absolutely incredible for someone that lives in the States whose first language isn’t even English. For example, her understanding of the deification of the NHS amongst the public. Remarkable person.
Well, it helps that she's actually married to a Brit!
Yes i couldn't agree more fantastic
Ayaan is a remarkable woman
Ayaan might live in the USA (for her own safety) is an ardent researcher, has personally experienced what she argues against, but is also married to the amazing Niall Ferguson, thus has a good insight of British culture.
@@katherinemoreland8184 for her own safety? Or to sow hate against muslims and islam?
We in the netherlands fell for her skeems 2.
She should not blame islam but her parents and her culture.
I bought ‘Prey’. It’s an astounding piece of truth & intelligently and beautifully written. This lady is inspirational.
I agree. Sadly it doesn't get nearly enough publicity and the government tries to ignore the subject or flat out calls concerned citizens racists.
I'm German and it's only getting worse over here. The koran being taught and advertised in schools, while crosses are taken down and some areas discuss about stopping church bells, because they offend muslims...
And I'm not even a Christian. 🤷♂️
I’m three years late to this conversation and yet I fear it is even more relevant now and resonates so much with me. Thank you for this
Douglas and Ayaan. I'm not worthy :) . I can only say I read quite a few books of both of you. Thank you for speaking up for us; the Voiceless.
Same for me!
Same for me. As a voiceless person, thank you for speaking up.🙏🏼
Utterly absorbing. Have admired both Ayaan and Douglas for years, and agree that they are amongst the most courageous people in the Western world.
If only governments would learn something from their honesty and integrity, but that isn't going to happen.
Jordan Peterson brought me to you both and I'm so happy he did, you two are Heroes at the highest levels!
Yeeees!!!!
Love you both 💗
Love from Copenhagen 🇩🇰💪😎🇩🇰
The Two Real Guardians of Humanity.Long may you both write and speak to the world.
A brilliant conversation. Thank you both.
Word. This is a winnable battle, people should not give in or grow weary.
Agreed, if people simply told these mainly online groups to fuck off. What can they do? It's the employers and people who bend to their requests that are the problem. Otherwise they are just another group of loons to ignore.
Indeed , not to talk about it and not to stand up to it is unfair to men as it is unfair to women.
I'm not so sure, people are sacked and their careers destroyed because of some comment they made
@@squaretriangle9208 Then we need to stand up for them, the more that do the less it will happen. Sometimes it is difficult to be brave but brave we must be.
@@PaddyIrishman don’t you think it’s too late for that? Our chance to shut them down was 6 or 7 years ago. Now they’re in the government, law, military, k-12, social media, universities.
Two of my most favorite thinkers having conversation about important topics that are swept away under the rug.
Appreciation from Canada for speaking, what millions think. (Great interview)
she is genuinely intelligent - unlike those who would disagree with her
A top comment and so very true! 🙂
What kind of worthless divisive comment is that? Disagreement with someone means they’re stupid? What a myopic, ignorant view to take of other human beings.
Intelligence is table stakes
30:40 "The Royal Academy of Music recently announced that it's decolonizing it's collection of ancient instruments" - I can't bear this any more. It's too much. It's a Jonestown-style cultural suicide that we're all being forced to participate in.
thé worst thing is those items will be stolen or destroyed but the constantly waring tribes of terrorist corrupt govts and gangs. If not destroyed , then sold on the black market
What a privilege it is to listen to these friends in conversation. Thank you for sharing!
The sad thing is,is what Ayaan is saying is regarded as some kind of news in some quarters. We've known this for years. The simple fact is that young men from Afghanistan or similar, have never seen a pair of young girls legs or boobs and as soon as they get to the UK. they immediately assume that all this countries girls are fair prey to do with as they please. It's a cultural phenomenon purely and simply.
Phenomenon implies you can’t explain something, yet you explained it accurately.
I am from India
Most muslim societies live in ghettos some as old as 400 years old .
They never assimilate
lock thr woman up in thr homes and only men appear on the streets
Most of them
Young unemployed and unmarried
No one goes thr bcz they're worried about the safety.
The problem with your insight is it subtlety shifts blame away from these sexual predators and toward the society that shaped them and the women who dress normally. So no, I don’t agree.
@@paritoshdaurwal9484 Your comment gave me chills of recognition. I am Danish and in the past five-ten years Denmark has received an unsustainable amount of immigration, predominantly muslim, and what you describe has very quickly become a new norm here.
@@zenocrate4040 remember one thing
They'll never assimilate unless you make them
Or else they'll always act as a fifth column of your country.
On behalf of third wave feminists everywhere, thank you deeply for having Ms. Ali on your show.
What a great pair, wonderful refreshing conversation that helps us keep our sanity. Amazing that it is her 4th language too, makes one feel quite inadequate. 😂. Look forward to the next one and thank you both.
My' anti woke ' hero and heroine standing up for freedom of thought and expression.
We should not be surprised at this - working class girls in numerous towns in the UK have been subjected to this abuse for decades. Our lack of will to acknowledge and deal with this problem when it first appeared has allowed this to become the major problem it is today. We have been badly let down by successive governments, police, justice system and major institutions for many years and we are now seeing the results.
Time to stop relying on strangers and politicians to protect you and your family then. If you don't get active and just keep whispering to one another then it will get much worse - you will lose your country and culture.
How do they seduce the girls? Pretend to be Latin Lovers?
@@marymolloy562 More like they target teenage girls because they're easier to persuade due to their own egos of thinking they're more mature than they actually are and provide them with alcohol, cigarettes and drugs and in return they sleep with them which then leads on to them forcing her to sleep with his friends. They also flatter girls in a very aggressive way that is all talk but seems to grip them. In my hometown, in Eastbourne near Brighton, they target drunk women and loiter around in packs. It's become a huge issue that no one seems to want to address.
Its a humanity broken and we indivudually men and women have to see it as such and and act instantly in protect these kids with pride as our own, our kids and nothing more. Give them space to be kids and hence great humans.
@@winniethuo9736 I'd be on the barricades with you anytime, Winnie. I like the way you think.
Thank you both! From Canada
Two of my favourite people in dialogue. Truly informative and inspiring.
He spreads awareness & stands his ground. That’s his job!
Douglas and ayaan are 2 very really honest people both noble and brave ...
One of my favorite fellow dual National African Brains. Am of Rwandan roots British and Dutch and absolutely loved her when she was being brave here which consequently led to her move to US. Our loss their gain🙋🏾♀️
Amazing interview as I’d expect from Douglas ! Thankyou to both of you & infinity respect to people like yourselves to eventually end the lies in this madness of lies & a woke world, the original west’s policies will win over this madness. Facts will eventually win. Again Thankyou
I'm afraid they won't. The woke have all the money & power and there is nothing we can do about it, it's gone too far now.
I always recall the tragic death of an Eritrean woman in Glasgow, suspended by her hair and then dropped to her death from an upper storey of a block of council flats by...(based on initial accounts; the media never returned to this story)...an Eritrean/Muslim man. The local Labour councillor was quoted in the paper blaming racism and the lack of welcome for refugees, despite this being, based on the reported evidence, an incident of either domestic abuse or tribal retribution.
It, to me, was another reason never to vote Labour again.
Geographically you & I are far apart. Politically, I’m thinking, we’ve parallels. The horrific murder in Glasgow that your Labour party chose to ignore?
I was a lifelong liberal democrat. Then, 2017, Ayaan was cancelled by my party. I, too, left in disgust. Douglas & Ayaan are critical thinkers heroically speaking rational facts.
This actually hints at a PC issue no one wants to talk about... I do believe smaller communities have the right to decide who they let in to become a neighbour. If something looks and sounds like trouble (yes, people generally are not blind nor mute), then it most likely is. Woke can shove their "racism" card and move to better lands to continue their virtue signalling should they wish and, benefit from trouble... The rest will democratically say "NO".
I live in the East end of Glasgow and in the last few years tensions amongst locals are high. Labour council signed up to 10 years of accepting refugees and asylum seekers but Labour councillors saw it was not working and tried to get out of the agreement (according to a local councillor) but were told it had to run the full 10 years. SNP council has signed us up to another 10 years. Last year a local primary school went from less than 1% ethnic minorities to 10%. It has been said by teachers there that next year will probably be 20%. Because of change in Scottish law we talk in whispers because to complain verbally could cause a charge of racism under the new Hate Crime Bill. Area after area has been systematically filled with refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants. The North East had 2/3 years now the East End and it is mostly Africans with bad manners and entitlement. I'll tell you a story of my first encounter with African women. Walking along my street 2 women who had just moved into a beautiful refurbished home wished me good morning. I happened to say to a neighbour how nice they were. The response shocked me. He was a Hotel manager in the South of Glasgow and knew them well. They had been housed in his hotel and complaints from other residents of screams and smells coming from their room caused him to investigate. They refused to open the door and he used his pass key. They had a camping stove burning in the middle of the room and were performing ritual slaughter. He refused to tell me the animal saying I would be upset but I think it was a cat or small dog. The women were from Darfur and pretended not to speak any English. He said when he entered their room the foul language they screamed at him was disgusting. The police did nothing. A Nigerian asylum seeker with a string of children but a brand new car drew attention because he and his wife were loudly shouting at a pensioner they claimed had scratched his car when passing. There as a tiny mark which a woman said she could rub off with a duster but was demanding he went to the man's bank and collect £1000 for repair. He went down to £500 but when it was suggested calling the police he drove off. Alex Salmond started it all when he pleaded with Westminster to send Scotland as many immigrant families as possible. Glasgow was doomed to be a multicultural city. What angers me is that Scots from all around the country say we welcome immigrants but most of them don't have them as neighbours. Most things that happen are probably kept from public knowledge but a Journalist brought to light a case that was being hidden by the police. The police had identified a sex grooming gang of 53 asylum seekers who were all Muslim. These men had been preying/raping girls from a children's home. Only a few were brought to trial and one deported but some fled to England and it is believed about 20 still walk the streets of Glasgow,
@@pathughes8902 I am here, from USA, to thank you for such a heroic comment. Can’t believe UA-cam didn’t censor your stated experience.
Another hero of mine is Ayann Hirsi Ali. She dared to speak the same concerns re perversions & lack of assimilation (sex gangs; animal torture; rampant female abuse; incest & homoerotic pedo insanity. Got cancelled.
Our border crossers are Mexicans. I’ve much respect! They come here to what was their land - before we stole their land & tortured them into “Christianity” - a land they shared w/Native Americans.
We still seek to disappear them both.
Neither are immigrants. We are ALL trespassing upon THEIR lands. We are brutal in our continuing persecution of these people who are striving to succeed, assimilate, against all odds. Yet they - especially Mexicans - prosper. Native Americans more so prefer apolitical silence. To speak up is to be genocided.
I despise Right v Left politics. Hated our mutual golf CURSE plaid cunt Drumpf.
But his ban on Muslims? He’s my boy. Our fat bloated poofed up, orange pompadoured pageant queen got this right. Ban Muslims.
Unfortunately he was so wrong re the Hispanics & First Nation people. They are the heart & soul of this country.
You speak truth. I read. I dig. History & world events are important to me. Religion. Philosophy. Orwell. Ayann, Hitchens, Sam Harris.
Danger signs flashing Red Alert. My former Liberal party is to blame. Islam is great. Fatwas if one dares speak out against this pedo melding of women hate,, church & state.
Yet the RepubliCons spewing their own hatred of women. Denying us rights over our own bodies? They are also implicit in this misogyny. They are Domimists. Handmaids Tale playbook.
John Lennon said it best. Said it when he actually could. Before words got owned. “WOMEN ARE THE NIGGERS OF THE WORLD.”
@@pathughes8902 My point is one doesn't have to racist to understand the conflict, mismatch of multi-culture. There are NO benefits, only trouble. There's NOTHING good to gain. Human rights? It is a CITIZEN's (has anyone else notice them lefties avoid using this term?) right to stay safe, speak your own language, worry about you own problems, pay tax to your OWN government for your own GOOD, heck, even pay your own CHURCH should one be person of faith. Feeding illegals and conflicting cultures is not in citizen's good and can be classified as treachery in certain parts of the world. Rightfully so.
As Magdalen Burns said: I'd rather be rude than a liar.
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I like how Douglas Murray showed so much respect for Ayaan Hirsi Ali (respect that she absolutely deserves) that he even but on a blazer!
I know - how dashing of Douglas.....
Some communities are creating for themselves the same life full of troubles and hardships that they ran away from.
Import the third world and they will bring their customs and culture with them. Why is anyone surprised?
Not only that but force the misery on their new hosts as well.
@@jonahtwhale1779 I had this conversation years ago. A village, town, city or country. What makes it good or bad? Of course it's the people. Think of the most horrible place on the planet - somewhere that you would be seriously afraid for your life. Air lift some of that population into your own locality on a 1:1 ratio. Does it really take a genius to realise what would be the consequences?
This is what fuels many of the fears regarding people fleeing blue states to avoid crippling taxes and impossible bureaucracy, then continuing to vote Democrat in their new red state havens.
All strength to you, Douglas, and Ayaan. High time we, the silent majority stood up to be counted. I am old enough to remember Nikita Kruschev predicting in the 1960s that the West will bring about its own demise. He meant that identity politics would be the pathway. CRT and identity politics were used with great success to soften up the Russian and Chinese populations before totalitarian Communist policies were imposed with draconian force and violence. In those countries the intelligentsia who were brave enough to complain, (and even those that were just suspected of something) lost their jobs and were sent to work as peasants or were jailed in gulags, which made others think twice.
Today, in Canada (of all places), the same thing is happening to academics who are accused of anything that may have offended the 'woke 'brigade, (even unknowingly and unintentionally). They are then stripped of their positions and suspended without pay for months until a hearing is arranged. One can see the parallel here of what happened in China and Russia in the mid twentieth century. The perpetrators of this Marxist ideology are not the oppressed working class; they are a bunch of comfortably-off middle class individuals who obviously have an agenda which bodes ill for the freedoms that the West has always enjoyed. I rather think it will be the 'working class' who will save the West and its way of life. And the sooner the better.
Canada, my country, is getting into high self-cancellation mode.
notice comment section is closed on canadian media with even slightly sensitive content.total BS
A wonderful and most needed conversation. Thank you both for keeping us sane during this times. You are true heroes to us all.
*_Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal._*
~ Karl Popper, 1945
Karl Popper raises a very good point here.
This same argument is cited by antifa and the woke, anti-racist cause, so the fundamental issue comes down to exactly what ideas, ideologies, and human actions we as a society agree to tolerate or condemn. The logic is sound, but the devil is in the details. In my experience, the greatest threat to the survival of the human species is the mutation that causes psychopathy. The selfish, amoral psychopaths can be found everywhere there is corruption, theft, environmental destruction, slavery, trafficking, and genocide. This is the one categorical type that I am confident in saying we should not tolerate.
@@filmjazz This is why this 'categorical type' must not be tolerated?
@@mikeoglen6848 I can reply if you clarify what you’re referring to by the word “This” in your response.
To expand further: in our zombie films, a mutation or disease is identified in a population and it’s clear that this group poses a threat to the global survival of the human race. What if the real “zombies” are psychopaths (making up an estimated 4-5% of the population, all genders, all races), and a subset of that population is fully prepared to rape and pillage the planet and other humans for their own personal gratification until there’s nothing left to sustain us. Do we deal with that or do we stand idly by and watch our own demise?
@@filmjazz If that is the case , then they must be dealt with.
Thank you Ayaan and Douglas. You help us believe there can be a future.
"A man may stand for the justice of God, but a woman stands for His Mercy." Fulton J Sheen
"When a man loves a woman, he has to become worthy of her. The higher her virtue, the more noble her character, the more devoted she is to truth, justice, goodness, the more a man has to aspire to be worthy of her." -Venerable Fulton J. Sheen
Ayaan and Douglas -- two brilliant minds, two beautiful people, inside and out.
Thank you both for the most enjoyable conversation. Just wonderful
Completely encouraging. Invaluable perspective. Thank you, from Canada.
My two favourite contemporary figures.
It is absolute insanity. Finally someone is saying it clear. Thank you both. I hope as many people as possible will listen to this.
Always enjoy Douglas and what a classy, knowledgeable guest. Thank you! Really enjoyed the honest discussion.
I wanted to study history at the university of Manchester but they told me it was full. I waited another year and they said the same and offered politics and international relations. Most of my lectures talk of Marxism and identity politics. On reflection I see how everyday I was being taught communism now. And that includes right from my interview to get in.
Yep. You were being trained to be a leftist activist.
I got the same thing in my second year of law. Had a mandatory module on employment law that was literally a diversity and inclusion training course.
Left, became an engineer to get away from that shit now I’m forced to put pride flags in fucking email signatures. What you gonna do?
So it never occurred to you to choose another university which doesn't say much about your learning ability.Strange, too,that you didn't figure out that universities are not places where you parrot the ideas of lecturers whose role is to stimulate ideas
Why do you need to study history at the University? Studying history isn't a skill like becoming a doctor or a mechanic. If you can read you can study history, you just do it. Just buy history books & then read them. Cut out the middle man.
@@autodidact537 Proper study of history involves reading and interpreting ORIGINAL sources, not some-one else’s idea of what they might contain. This involves being at a university which affords access to masses of original historical documents - like Oxford. You then can challenge what your Marxist Professor says. That’s the idea anyway.
How did I miss this 2 years ago? Oh that's right.. distracted by my governments insistence that bodily autonomy isn't a thing.
This woman has my deepest respect and admiration. Murray and Ali are voices of reason getting more attention amidst the manufactured static.
If only our Political Leaders, of all persuasions, had half the courage of Douglas and Ayaan! If only....too afraid of offending Ethnic sensibilities.
Not ethnic only Muslim sensibilities
Isis terrorism has worked backed by foreign bribery to shun legacy media into submission
Ayaan is also from other culture. Though she get Dutch citizenship but that doesn't make her Dutch. She is African just like Arabs are from other culture. Europe is only for European. All people should built their countries rather than demographically changing Europe. Muslim and African are on top than Asians. London only have muslims, blacks and Indian. No white British.
If only, indeed! But Douglas and Ayaan are not answerable to an electorate, and those who are are too cowardly.
There are other Albanians trafficking women and drugs into the uk. Western men use these raped women do it's a issue that is about how men treat women . Even porn is just using white women. And it's full of trafficking too. If b e happy to ban it
Hi Ayaan & Douglas,..miss Ayan Hirsi Ali thank you💐☘️ for courage & determination in face of death threat's & your stance against fascist political-islam,🌈
What is strange to me is that the rise of CRT, identity politics etc seems to be in direct correlation with declining mental health, the more all this seems to be pushed on everyone the more depressed and miserable we all seem to be becoming, in all my 51 yrs I have never felt so scared of where society is heading
It is going down for sure
This is even worse than hiding who is doing the attacks, they will also directly lie about it and blame “whíte” men even when they know that isn’t true. I’m not saying all whíte people are angels but it even worse to hide something and blame someone else so that they are háted for something they didn’t do. Look up a video the real face of Asían hàté and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about.
@@GhostSal Dont need to look it up... It's obvious. A culture of violence borne up from the inner cities that instills victimhood, entitlement and malice combined with a zero-sum game view of success that tells them that if someone has something good, well they must have taken it away from THEM.
I hope LBJ is in hell.
Brilliant woman and very brave as well. She has the courage to challenge all the narrative of bureaucrats and academics when is false and ideological. She has suffered the oppression of Islam, the rejection of the Dutch establishment and now is hated by the American ideological contaminated morons. Society needs more people like her. Thanks Douglas.
Thank you, Ayaan for saying how crazy things have become in America. My few friends are stunned by what's happening, while most whom I know go blithely, blindly along. I am heart sickened by all of it.
Superb discussion. Two of my favourite people and authors. Thank you so very much.
An excellent discussion by two incredible minds.
Great talk!
I am in awe of people (like Ayaan and Douglas) because they still navigate today's world AS IF there was still accountability, listening to reason and ethical/moral standards.
There is none - do not look for it, do not appeal to it, do not pretend that your voice matters. Everything has gone down the drain.
The swineherd is speeding towards the precipice.....
Exactly... Couldn't have said it better
What I like about this is that Douglas Murray has pushed a chair in front of the door to block it so that no-one can barge in on him while he's zooming. Class act.
Respect from Italy. What a beautiful minds...thank you
This woman is admirable, her courage, intelligence and commitment. Thank you for posting this
"every European government is trying not to find out about....."
Good insight.
I read Infidel and look forward to reading Pray or is it Prey. I have always felt myself to be a socio:/ethic investigator. I love the wisdom of this wonderful woman. There is nothing she says that I disagree with. I am an algo Dominican Republic born 74 year old who has grown up in Texas . I always had my own ideas about all these subjects. It is amazing how congruent her ideas are with mine. It has been a liberating experience to hear and read her. She is experienced, brilliant, brave, and deserves a large audience! Thanks for having her on.
Must be spoken about and justice Must be done
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The woke puritans would put just a small twist on exactly the same viewpoint as yours. They would say only we can speak about this and justice must be done. Very, very similar viewpoints.
@@nonfictionone unsure of your point BUT we are not in EU autocracy, any foreign born criminal must be deported Child rapists must be given a real hard time and UK must work for British families Not foreign feelings, filling a 500 mile island with radicals is treason end of and Tony Blair must be in court for treason and war crimes, our police and law system are corrupt against the British, im in Scotland under Islamic offence laws hence my first comment, an utter OUTRAGE for now democracy has left us.
Ahh, the dream team reunites.
Yes, how refreshing to hear common sense!👍
I’m old enough to remember when, in Britain, the dream team meant Neil Kinnock and Roy Hattersley as the leaders of the Labour Party. What a comparison !
There has to be a TV series somewhere in this podcast - the kind of thing produced by Lew Grade with an Edwin Astley theme - a bit like The Protectors or The Persuaders.....Ayaan would look so cool in a red Alfa Romeo Disco Voltante....All Douglas Murray needs is a cravat and an E-Type Jag.
Wouldnt it be great if this happened regularly, say once a monrh?
I think that was an effective way to put things: that Mr. Floyd would be amazed at how his death affected the world.
Quite honestly, he may be impressed about some things but quite apalled by other things.
Wonderfully eradite, well thought out and in your 4th language. Great, wanted this to continue for another hour. Many thanks!!
You two are the Best here and now
Thank you Ayaan for being such a proud, grateful, ideal example of a Western Heroine. Your standing against temptation to use Race or Colonial Victim Status to your benefit as you could, rather to instead see the qualities of Western values and become a true torch bearer, taking the fight on our behalf for our Values against true enemies of freedoms and Women's rights such as coming from Islam etc. This makes you a more cherished Westerner in my eyes than any "Natural Born" Westerner, especially than those of us whom take for granted or Freedoms.
Thank you so much for literally fighting potentially with your life on all of our behalf, thank you
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I couldn't have said it better ...although I would never see Ayaan as 'proud'. Brave or courageous, YES - but not proud. She's to dignified to for that.
Both are a voice in the wilderness. And Ayaan is beautiful in every way!!
Two of my favorite ppl and most brilliant thinkers - thank you!
Wonderful woman, a better professor of humanities than most current professors of humanities !
Ayaan is a gift. Amazing clarity.
An amazingly graceful, informative discussion. What a beautiful and beautifully intelligent lady; Douglas, as ever, is a jolly clever chap and a delight to listen to. 🙏
I love these people! though we never met- we are true friends in spirit!
She is such an amazing person! Thank you for making this content. I needed to hear this today!
Murray is one of my favorite personalities. Absolutely love the guy, his clear head, his rock-solid logic. But something tells me he would be an a-hole editor. To be sure, I've worked for my fair share of them, but something tells me he'd take the cake.
Douglas Murray is the truth.
This is so refreshing....
Really good points raised by Ayaan just around 21:50. She is absolutely spot on.
They're both amazing. My two favourite writers/commentators ❤
Even if one counts all the ills and injustices of capitalist society, the irony of the ingratitude of so many communities of color is rich.
As an antidote to such ingratitude, Ayaan Hirsi Ali could be joined by Coleman Hughes, Glenn Loury, John McWhorter the great Thomas Sowell and, even if too far to the right for my tastes, the undeniably charismatic Candace Owens and Larry Elder. My apologies for the lack or Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Kiwis on the list! It's open to expansion.
Ayaan and Douglas are terrific! Much appreciation to both.
A good conversation with two wonderful people! I really appreciated this video.
Support from Australia
A great discussion, thanks to everyone involved.
Wonderful and amazing lady. A very realistic view of the world today.
"I think George Floyd would have been surprised to have heard that his killing led to a purge of harpsichords in London." Unsure to nod thoughtfully or laugh outward very loudly.
I may underestimate him now but I would be surprised if he knew the word or the instrument it describes. It was a tragedy that he had to die. It was a even bigger tragedy that followed and we have not seen all the results of the woke revolution just yet.
I'm still laughing now!
This isn't a fork-in-the-road scenario. You can have your thoughtful nod and laugh outward very loudly too.
I just love this lovely lady Ayaan. She is intelligent, eloquent, gentle, calm, rational and beautiful. Just wonderful ❤️
I'm such a fan of both Douglas and Ayaan! What an insightful podcast, thank you x
The pair of you are wonderful, encouraging and enriching to the Anglosphere. Thank you both, I will do my best to find my way to contribute and keep the balanced debate and the live alive.