If you ever change your rasp bars, you might want to check tungsten rebuilds, I put them in our gleaners and they work great. The place is out of Seymour IN that rebuilds them.
Yeah but with all those pins/fingers installed, particularly the longer ones that comb through the material back in the separator section of the rotors... that's a pretty good size chunk of metal that if it's missing on one side, it's GOING to throw the rotor out of balance...
Honestly I've never seen a TR without those "pins" on the rotors... never even knew they made "blanks" to screw in in their place... good idea cutting the old ones off, to make the blanks, certainly cheaper than buying them from NH parts I'm sure... Guess if you ever really need them you can get a new set of pins and screw them in there... My guess wiith the busted ones is that the machine ate a rock at some point... maybe not a big one, but one substantial enough to destroy those pins when they collided with it head on. The longer ones further back are there to comb through the straw and material in the rotor to help it turn grain loose so it can sling out as it crosses the separating grids... so long as you don't have grain riding over you're probably fine without them... You'd have probably noticed by now if you have excess rotor loss out the back of the machine due to poor separation. Those rasp bars on the rotors look pretty worn... that might be part of your problem... the grooves are no longer deep enough to give anywhere for the corn kernels to go as they're rubbed off the cob, so they end up getting cracked. The other thing is, do you have the right concaves in there. Looked like you had wire concaves in which IIRC are for small grains; they could be holding the grain back too much which will cause cracking due to multiple hits by the rasp bars. Soon as that grain is shelled off the cob you want it flying out of that concave as fast as possible... if it stays in there it's way more prone to get cracked... particularly corn. Usually they have those wide-spaced wire concaves or the tube type concaves that have wider openings to get the corn out through the larger openings as fast as possible. I doubt the pins are causing the cracking issues you're having. Incorrect concaves will, however. That's the first thing I'd look at myself. Read the book it'll tell you and should have a picture to show you. If you've got the concaves all the way open, or nearly so, then you'll have to slow the rotors down... in either a rotary or conventional, too fast a cylinder/rotor speed will cause cracked grain. Another issue that causes cracked grain is returns... how much returns are you sending back to the rotors?? In either type machine, too many returns results in too much cracked grain, because grain exposed to the rotors or cylinder a second time is WAY more likely to crack... If your chaffer and sieve is set too tight and typically you'b be running less cleaning shoe air from the fan to compensate, but if you run more air to get a really clean sample, you'll probably be riding grain over into the tailings and sending it back through the rotors a second time... that's when it's likely to get cracked and show up in the grain tank. Basically my experience has been, and I've seen a video by Calmer claiming the same thing, that basically you want to run your chaffer and sieve as far open as possible in corn and run it with the highest amount of cleaning fan speed or air volume as possible to clean the corn... if you're blowing kernels out the back (other than a few broken or immature/empty kernels that didn't fill properly or were sucked by a bug or something) then cut the air back a little at the time until you're not blowing any grain out the back but a few broken and immature/empty kernels... whole grain should not be blown out the back. Open the chaffer and sieve "all the way" and then gradually close it down a notch or two at a time until you're not seeing objectionable amounts of junk in the grain tank... shouldn't be getting broken bits of cob with kernels clinging on or chunks of stalk or stuff like that... Running the chaffer and sieve as open as possible separates the grain from he chaff the fastest, and gives the most throughput to the cleaning shoe. Plus using more air cleans better, since it's the air that actually does the cleaning and rides the chaff and lighter debris out the back... the chaffer and sieve's job is to ride stuff too big and too heavy for the air from the fan to remove, like pieces of stalk or cob, particularly stuff with a few kernels hanging on it... the shoe will eventually shake it back and then drop it off the back of the sieve onto the returns pan which will shake it down to the return auger to the return elevato which rides it back up to the cylinder/rotor(s) for a second pass to thresh it out. The chaffer should ride whole or large chunks of cob out the back directly onto the ground, along with larger stalk pieces and any shucks that make it down to the shoe as well. If the chaffer is set too tight, you'll be riding underthreshed pieces of cob with attached kernels out the back onto the ground, along with sticks and shucks and cobs... if the sieve is set too tight, that stuff that drops through the chaffer will ride to the back of the sieve, which is what it SHOULD do, and drop into the returns pan and auger for another ride through the machine. SO the chaffer is always open a bit more than the sieve. Problem is a lot of guys use too little air out of fear of blowing grain over, then close down the chaffer and particularly the sieve to compensate for the insufficient cleaning-- giving what air there is more time to clean the grain by keeping it on the shoe longer so it rides out into a thinner layer across most of the sieve and chaffer.. This also tends to ride more grain over the shoe and into the tailings or onto the ground. Better to increse the air as much as possible without blowing grain over the shoe, and then gradually close the chaffer and sieve from almost full open just enough to keep excess debris out of the tank. This maximizes throughput and still cleans the grain, usually far bettet than tighter chaffer/sieve settings with less air does. On my Ford/Claas combine, we always ruan with full air (it used shutters over the inlets with a lever control rather than a variable speed pulley like most combines now use, IOW volume control rather than fan speed control to determine air volume to the cleaning shoe... Then I started the chaffer at about the third notch down from wide open, and the sieve at about the fifth notch down from wide open... it cleaned great and there was virtually NO grain blown out the back except the occasional immature or damaged kernel... so it works. Hope this helps you out... one other thing, reducing rotor speed reduces throughput, so you might have to slow down a bit... BUT it reduces the impact force of the rasp bars and rotor lugs and stuff on the grain and cobs, so does less damage to the grain... incresing rotor speed and concave clearance increases throughput and reducing them both reduces throughput... same with the chaffer/sieve... closing them down reduces throughput and opening them up increases throughput...
It would be interesting to see if it was an Arkansas combine at one point (given that I live in Arkansas lol). I would be lead to believe that it could've just been a machine ordered with rotor spikes for soybeans. We do have a Gleaner K2 Corn & Soybean Special (never made a K2 Rice Special) and it has a spike tooth cylinder (granted its a walker machine, not a rotary, but...).
Serial # take to nh dealer can tell you if rice an also rice machine will have heavy unload system from factory but # will tell you how it was ordered an make date
I live about 75 miles south east of Shelbina Mo.I had some friends live in Shelbina but they have pass away. I live in central about 25 mile away from the farmland that sold a few months ago for $34;800.00 per acre. I own360 acres of my own .My brother and I own440 acres together and my parents own about 3400 acres. My nephews own 160 acres and farm about 640 acres.
You might just need to adjust the amount of clearance between rotor and concave there is two settings. Maxed out on the wheat setting is just enough for corn, but i could use another 1/4 of an inch. I am too lazy to readjust the concaves. Should be in manual.
Our TR96 has a Rice and Soybean Special label under the model number. Also, it had a mechanical single speed throat, small grain sieves, and a small grain/rice bubble up auger and tube top. We changed rotors a couple years ago and are putting the rice lugs back in for beans because it feeds so much better for beans.
If your only doing corn/beans take our the trailing bars on your rotor. They are the small rasp bars. Trailing bars are in there for tough threshing small grains. It will be gentler on your corn. Helps greatly on the CR’s with the S3 rotors.
They grow plenty of rice in Missouri. No need to worry if it was in Arkansas or not
I believe your rasp bars need replaced. Good luck and Merry Christmas 3:25
If you ever change your rasp bars, you might want to check tungsten rebuilds, I put them in our gleaners and they work great. The place is out of Seymour IN that rebuilds them.
Rotors are balanced out of machine on a stand, those pins are to help crop flow through combine.
Yeah but with all those pins/fingers installed, particularly the longer ones that comb through the material back in the separator section of the rotors... that's a pretty good size chunk of metal that if it's missing on one side, it's GOING to throw the rotor out of balance...
You also could use some round bar concaves for soybeans and corn
Honestly I've never seen a TR without those "pins" on the rotors... never even knew they made "blanks" to screw in in their place... good idea cutting the old ones off, to make the blanks, certainly cheaper than buying them from NH parts I'm sure... Guess if you ever really need them you can get a new set of pins and screw them in there...
My guess wiith the busted ones is that the machine ate a rock at some point... maybe not a big one, but one substantial enough to destroy those pins when they collided with it head on. The longer ones further back are there to comb through the straw and material in the rotor to help it turn grain loose so it can sling out as it crosses the separating grids... so long as you don't have grain riding over you're probably fine without them... You'd have probably noticed by now if you have excess rotor loss out the back of the machine due to poor separation.
Those rasp bars on the rotors look pretty worn... that might be part of your problem... the grooves are no longer deep enough to give anywhere for the corn kernels to go as they're rubbed off the cob, so they end up getting cracked. The other thing is, do you have the right concaves in there. Looked like you had wire concaves in which IIRC are for small grains; they could be holding the grain back too much which will cause cracking due to multiple hits by the rasp bars. Soon as that grain is shelled off the cob you want it flying out of that concave as fast as possible... if it stays in there it's way more prone to get cracked... particularly corn. Usually they have those wide-spaced wire concaves or the tube type concaves that have wider openings to get the corn out through the larger openings as fast as possible. I doubt the pins are causing the cracking issues you're having. Incorrect concaves will, however. That's the first thing I'd look at myself. Read the book it'll tell you and should have a picture to show you. If you've got the concaves all the way open, or nearly so, then you'll have to slow the rotors down... in either a rotary or conventional, too fast a cylinder/rotor speed will cause cracked grain. Another issue that causes cracked grain is returns... how much returns are you sending back to the rotors?? In either type machine, too many returns results in too much cracked grain, because grain exposed to the rotors or cylinder a second time is WAY more likely to crack... If your chaffer and sieve is set too tight and typically you'b be running less cleaning shoe air from the fan to compensate, but if you run more air to get a really clean sample, you'll probably be riding grain over into the tailings and sending it back through the rotors a second time... that's when it's likely to get cracked and show up in the grain tank. Basically my experience has been, and I've seen a video by Calmer claiming the same thing, that basically you want to run your chaffer and sieve as far open as possible in corn and run it with the highest amount of cleaning fan speed or air volume as possible to clean the corn... if you're blowing kernels out the back (other than a few broken or immature/empty kernels that didn't fill properly or were sucked by a bug or something) then cut the air back a little at the time until you're not blowing any grain out the back but a few broken and immature/empty kernels... whole grain should not be blown out the back. Open the chaffer and sieve "all the way" and then gradually close it down a notch or two at a time until you're not seeing objectionable amounts of junk in the grain tank... shouldn't be getting broken bits of cob with kernels clinging on or chunks of stalk or stuff like that... Running the chaffer and sieve as open as possible separates the grain from he chaff the fastest, and gives the most throughput to the cleaning shoe. Plus using more air cleans better, since it's the air that actually does the cleaning and rides the chaff and lighter debris out the back... the chaffer and sieve's job is to ride stuff too big and too heavy for the air from the fan to remove, like pieces of stalk or cob, particularly stuff with a few kernels hanging on it... the shoe will eventually shake it back and then drop it off the back of the sieve onto the returns pan which will shake it down to the return auger to the return elevato which rides it back up to the cylinder/rotor(s) for a second pass to thresh it out. The chaffer should ride whole or large chunks of cob out the back directly onto the ground, along with larger stalk pieces and any shucks that make it down to the shoe as well. If the chaffer is set too tight, you'll be riding underthreshed pieces of cob with attached kernels out the back onto the ground, along with sticks and shucks and cobs... if the sieve is set too tight, that stuff that drops through the chaffer will ride to the back of the sieve, which is what it SHOULD do, and drop into the returns pan and auger for another ride through the machine. SO the chaffer is always open a bit more than the sieve. Problem is a lot of guys use too little air out of fear of blowing grain over, then close down the chaffer and particularly the sieve to compensate for the insufficient cleaning-- giving what air there is more time to clean the grain by keeping it on the shoe longer so it rides out into a thinner layer across most of the sieve and chaffer.. This also tends to ride more grain over the shoe and into the tailings or onto the ground. Better to increse the air as much as possible without blowing grain over the shoe, and then gradually close the chaffer and sieve from almost full open just enough to keep excess debris out of the tank. This maximizes throughput and still cleans the grain, usually far bettet than tighter chaffer/sieve settings with less air does. On my Ford/Claas combine, we always ruan with full air (it used shutters over the inlets with a lever control rather than a variable speed pulley like most combines now use, IOW volume control rather than fan speed control to determine air volume to the cleaning shoe... Then I started the chaffer at about the third notch down from wide open, and the sieve at about the fifth notch down from wide open... it cleaned great and there was virtually NO grain blown out the back except the occasional immature or damaged kernel... so it works.
Hope this helps you out... one other thing, reducing rotor speed reduces throughput, so you might have to slow down a bit... BUT it reduces the impact force of the rasp bars and rotor lugs and stuff on the grain and cobs, so does less damage to the grain... incresing rotor speed and concave clearance increases throughput and reducing them both reduces throughput... same with the chaffer/sieve... closing them down reduces throughput and opening them up increases throughput...
It would be interesting to see if it was an Arkansas combine at one point (given that I live in Arkansas lol). I would be lead to believe that it could've just been a machine ordered with rotor spikes for soybeans. We do have a Gleaner K2 Corn & Soybean Special (never made a K2 Rice Special) and it has a spike tooth cylinder (granted its a walker machine, not a rotary, but...).
Serial # take to nh dealer can tell you if rice an also rice machine will have heavy unload system from factory but # will tell you how it was ordered an make date
Ok,,,, Let see some combine action next.... 😊
Southern missouri grows rice
Merry Christmas Jacob
That dealer was about 30 miles from my house here in NE MO. Know the family that used to run it. Not much rice in this part of the state.
Do you remember the bin extensions this machine had?
@@boehmfarm4276lol maybe he even remembers who it was that farted in it at 3pm on October 27th 1998 too.
Does it have th v8 cat or the 6 in it? I hope you got a shot of how full the ear corn bin is 👍
Get you a cr like ofl
Thx. Always very unique videos .
No bugs hiding on that shed roof now.. 😅.. stay safe 🏴
I live about 75 miles south east of Shelbina Mo.I had some friends live in Shelbina but they have pass away. I live in central about 25 mile away from the farmland that sold a few months ago for $34;800.00 per acre. I own360 acres of my own .My brother and I own440 acres together and my parents own about 3400 acres. My nephews own 160 acres and farm about 640 acres.
You might just need to adjust the amount of clearance between rotor and concave there is two settings. Maxed out on the wheat setting is just enough for corn, but i could use another 1/4 of an inch. I am too lazy to readjust the concaves. Should be in manual.
Our TR96 has a Rice and Soybean Special label under the model number. Also, it had a mechanical single speed throat, small grain sieves, and a small grain/rice bubble up auger and tube top. We changed rotors a couple years ago and are putting the rice lugs back in for beans because it feeds so much better for beans.
If your only doing corn/beans take our the trailing bars on your rotor. They are the small rasp bars. Trailing bars are in there for tough threshing small grains. It will be gentler on your corn. Helps greatly on the CR’s with the S3 rotors.
Missouri also grows rice
Not in NE Missouri where that combine came from
I have the cat 3208 in it ,and do you have the address to the new holland tr85 combine junkyard
I believe those rasp pieces are wore out a 1/4 bolt should not stick above the horizontal bars when laid between.
It would be kinda cool if it did come from Arkansas since I live only a hour east of Riceland foods
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Nice video
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I’m out of sc
Good video.
OH just bite the bullet Jacob, and buy yourself a new John Deere.😁😁