UPDATE: The guys at Licitti just reached out and provided me with a much better discount code than I originally had. The new code is 'davidwray50' and is worth $50 off the 2000W AC Battery Box.
Agree, they would sell a lot more of these units “if” they offered higher solar charge input. They also should consider offering a unit with a 30A RV receptacle… if they don’t currently offer one.
Really like the all-in-one “BYOB” concept, especially for those that have spare batts lying around + this makes swapping batteries in/out, really easy. That said, does this particular company offer a BYOB unit that features a 30A RV plug, if not, they really should consider adding this feature, since this is becoming a welcomed trend in the industry.
David, as always, thanks for the review. The all-in cost of the box (shipping + 20A AC wall charger; not including any taxes or your coupon code) is $568. If you don't have a spare 100AH battery lying around, add $250. As of this writing, Pecron is selling their 2200W 1536Wh EP1500LFP on sale for $900 with free shipping. The only advantage I can see is the 50A DC 12v output, but the Pecron has a 30A DC outlet, not to mention the 800W solar input. I think the only value in the box is if you already have a battery you can use. I'm not sure I would buy this and a battery given the current state of AIO power stations today. I did purchase the 1000W version and put in a battery I had lying about, and that's been useful.
This initially seems like a "deal", especially because it handles 2000W, but when you add the cost of the battery, and the "charger" which is not included... it becomes much less of a deal. Lastly, I would only consider this if it also included UPS functionality. Sure glad you decided to read the manual -- even if it was mid-review. The main reason I watch this channel is for the expert review. If it becomes an "unboxing" review, I will tend to not watch.
Hi David, These B.Y.O.B. battery boxes are a good idea but as others have stated and you yourself have said, the solar input is pretty limited. If you were to add 3500wh of batteries and are capped at 275 watts of solar input, well that's going to take quit of bit of time to charge unless you add an external charge controller. This box does have many upsides though. If you buy the box with their 280ah cells, that's a heck of a deal at around $1000. You can also use lead-acid or LifePo4 batteries and can swap them out. The aluminum housing makes it sturdy. The 2000 watt inverter is also nice as is a mobile app. It would be nice in the future if they added more AC and DC ports and, of course, more solar input. Maybe they could make a deluxe model, it would be worth the additional cost, IMHO. Thank you for another great and informative video David, I have learned so much from you. Take care and Happy New Year, Steve.
Very compelling, would love to see a 30A RV plug added on, also a much beefier solar limit. Feels like it's getting there, but at the same time still not quite complete. I wonder how hard it would be to swap the internal components out to fix the downsides. It looks like it's easy enough to access it all considering the way it's constructed.
the Black Anderson connector says 50A input or output. the Yellow Anderson Solar connector says 20A input. Have you tried charging 50A AC/DC into the Black Anderson and 20A into the Yellow Anderson via Solar together to get 70A of charging rate?
Great review. It's probably not recommended by Licetti, but it looks like you could parallel additional batteries out the back and add additional solar charging through them. Maybe not the most elegant or portable solution, but the base 2000 comes with a very usable system at a really good price.
It still includes a low surge capacity, high frequency, transformerless inverter charger that offers a shorter life expectancy than a conventional, heavy duty, low frequency, transformer based inverter charger. If Licitti would have built this with a low frequency, transformer based, 2,000 Watt inverter charger I'd buy several of these.
18650 Battery Store has the version 3 EVE 280 Ah cells for $105 dollars, four of those would equal almost three regular 100 Ah batteries, at a fraction of the cost..Add a JK BMS with has an active balancer, and is simple to install, and you will have a very good battery/solar generator..I would buy those cells over any premade battery or cells that come with this product..The 18650 Battery Store EVE cells are verified grade A cells that will last twice as long as the cells in solar generators, and longer than the cells in premade batteries..And never even consider pouch cells..Of course I would build my own system completely, and have..
Taking a jab at yourself calling yourself Captain Obvious. Lol. I personally think that this is a fantastic video, running tests and diagnostics to show us what we will be getting and offering advice. I appreciate the fact that you're a talker. Talkers are some of the best mentors and teachers.
An interesting unit, for sure! I'm at the stage right now, though, where my old batteries are being replaced, and I have several inverters in addition to my JACKERY power stations. I need more batteries now, LOL! Thanks for the video! Happy New Year!
What are the benefits of getting their 280ah lifepo4 battery cells ($508 seems expensive) over getting other batteries with similar ah output? Hopefully my question makes sense. I'm new to all of this.
I would guess you get their support and you can be sure they can fit. Sure you can find cells cheap, but what grade, are they new, will they swell... There's a lot of info out there. Maybe Sunfun kits?
This looked great until Amazon Prime sales on a Ecoflo Delta 2 . After discounts I got one for $417 including S&H. I still like this idea, but not at this price point.
Much more advanced, 2nd-gen product. With the 280AH DIY battery, and a good rolling cart, this makes for a pretty surbstantial portable power station. Drummer doing a decibel check says, "what"?
Thank you for the review. I was all ready to order this with the 280Ah battery build kit (assuming it would ship to me); however, I just can’t get past the solar input limitation. Total deal killer. 😢
Only ONE BIG ISSUE with this battery box that i found. The charge values on the screen randomly resets to 100ah / 100% regardles of what state of charge the battery its at. At first i thought it was just a one off with the unit i received. But I bought a second one, as a gift for family, and it has the same issue!! I hope licitti fixes this issue with an update or something.
Also i would like to add if you take close look at the video @15:23 i noticed that this issue acutally happened in the video as you can see its saying 100ah / 100% charged but it still at 13.1v. Also big indicator is that it is still charging at a high wattage even when it says 100% charged. Typically lifepo4 battery tends to slow down the charge when its close to 100% but it's still charging at around 300watts. I really hope licitti fixes this issue bc the guage is basically unreliable.
Looks like another unit that uses sealed lead acid batteries but does it have proper charging parameters or is it like most of the rest all my booster packs only charges to what is considered dead checked out Duracell and nature's generator both had improper charge parameters and both had so low solar input that for every day of use it took 2 days to recharge
David - I noticed that during your initial AC power output test (with the oil burner) that you were drawing 1354 watts continuous and 112.89 Amps. How can that be given the 1280W/100Amp "limits" of that 100Ahr battery yo were using? Thanks for a great video !
Great question! If you go check out the load testing clips on most of these LFP batteries, you'll see that the BMS almost always has a fair amount of "headroom" beyond that rated 100A recommended spec. And specifically how far over and how long you can run that way before the BMS shuts it down will vary from brand to brand to some extent.
No, because it does not have any A.C. input. It always requires D.C. input and converts that to A.C. for output. If you are using less than 500 watts then the D.C. input will keep it charged even as you are discharging at the same time. But if you use more than that the D.C. will not keep up and eventually the battery will run out.
Hello, can you help me with the width of that mppt? That 20A mppt is a deal breaker for me, as i have a 300Ah battery pack. I am thinking of changing it with at least a 40A one, but i am not sure if i can fit it in that small space. Thanks a lot!
@@ReeWrayOutdoors thanks, i just check the OEM MPPT dimensions is 32mm (sorry i'm from europe) i am thinking of stretching in a 50mm MPPT with 40A or 50A, so that my 400w panel would take advantage of it. Also, more Andreson plugs would have done a much better system...but, no product is perfect
@alexandrusavin8665 I did check it out this morning and I'd say 27mm would be the thickest module you could squeeze into the available space (plus maybe 2mm for the bracket if you reuse what's there...or maybe double-sided tape or something)
@@ReeWrayOutdoors the only solution left is to try to squeeze it in front of the bms. or extreme solution to get the bms on the side in the same spot the small MPPT and get the bigger mppt in the bms place, hopefully this will work, as i need 50mm of clearance
Well the same unit worked fine for 8 hours for me the next morning i woke up to a double beep sound every minute with the AC inverter on or off have you ever dealt with that and is there a particularly way to diagnose this or is it a good time for a warranty replacement, FYI I only had a portable radio connected to it and the battery shows 96%.Thanks for any advice ahead of time.
UPDATE: The guys at Licitti just reached out and provided me with a much better discount code than I originally had. The new code is 'davidwray50' and is worth $50 off the 2000W AC Battery Box.
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This along with their 280AH battery modules is very compelling. Wished the solar input was higher though.
Looking forward to the 280ah kit video. The solar limit is pretty wimpy, but maybe the 50A in/out can be used to charge such a large battery faster
Agree, they would sell a lot more of these units “if” they offered higher solar charge input. They also should consider offering a unit with a 30A RV receptacle… if they don’t currently offer one.
Really like the all-in-one “BYOB” concept, especially for those that have spare batts lying around + this makes swapping batteries in/out, really easy. That said, does this particular company offer a BYOB unit that features a 30A RV plug, if not, they really should consider adding this feature, since this is becoming a welcomed trend in the industry.
RV port... exactly my question. Thanks
David, as always, thanks for the review. The all-in cost of the box (shipping + 20A AC wall charger; not including any taxes or your coupon code) is $568. If you don't have a spare 100AH battery lying around, add $250. As of this writing, Pecron is selling their 2200W 1536Wh EP1500LFP on sale for $900 with free shipping. The only advantage I can see is the 50A DC 12v output, but the Pecron has a 30A DC outlet, not to mention the 800W solar input. I think the only value in the box is if you already have a battery you can use. I'm not sure I would buy this and a battery given the current state of AIO power stations today. I did purchase the 1000W version and put in a battery I had lying about, and that's been useful.
Yeah, like I said, I think the real value on this unit is if you get it with the 289Ah battery kit.
Good point, the price isn’t very competitive considering the limited features..eg..low solar charge input, lack of 30A RV out, etc… :’(
@@ReeWrayOutdoors I'll look forward to your review on that kit. Thanks again for all your efforts.
This initially seems like a "deal", especially because it handles 2000W, but when you add the cost of the battery, and the "charger" which is not included... it becomes much less of a deal.
Lastly, I would only consider this if it also included UPS functionality.
Sure glad you decided to read the manual -- even if it was mid-review. The main reason I watch this channel is for the expert review. If it becomes an "unboxing" review, I will tend to not watch.
Hi David,
These B.Y.O.B. battery boxes are a good idea but as others have stated and you yourself have said, the solar input is pretty limited. If you were to add 3500wh of batteries and are capped at 275 watts of solar input, well that's going to take quit of bit of time to charge unless you add an external charge controller. This box does have many upsides though. If you buy the box with their 280ah cells, that's a heck of a deal at around $1000. You can also use lead-acid or LifePo4 batteries and can swap them out. The aluminum housing makes it sturdy. The 2000 watt inverter is also nice as is a mobile app. It would be nice in the future if they added more AC and DC ports and, of course, more solar input. Maybe they could make a deluxe model, it would be worth the additional cost, IMHO. Thank you for another great and informative video David, I have learned so much from you.
Take care and Happy New Year, Steve.
Very compelling, would love to see a 30A RV plug added on, also a much beefier solar limit. Feels like it's getting there, but at the same time still not quite complete. I wonder how hard it would be to swap the internal components out to fix the downsides. It looks like it's easy enough to access it all considering the way it's constructed.
the Black Anderson connector says 50A input or output. the Yellow Anderson Solar connector says 20A input.
Have you tried charging 50A AC/DC into the Black Anderson and 20A into the Yellow Anderson via Solar together to get 70A of charging rate?
Great review. It's probably not recommended by Licetti, but it looks like you could parallel additional batteries out the back and add additional solar charging through them. Maybe not the most elegant or portable solution, but the base 2000 comes with a very usable system at a really good price.
It still includes a low surge capacity, high frequency, transformerless inverter charger that offers a shorter life expectancy than a conventional, heavy duty, low frequency, transformer based inverter charger. If Licitti would have built this with a low frequency, transformer based, 2,000 Watt inverter charger I'd buy several of these.
18650 Battery Store has the version 3 EVE 280 Ah cells for $105 dollars, four of those would equal almost three regular 100 Ah batteries, at a fraction of the cost..Add a JK BMS with has an active balancer, and is simple to install, and you will have a very good battery/solar generator..I would buy those cells over any premade battery or cells that come with this product..The 18650 Battery Store EVE cells are verified grade A cells that will last twice as long as the cells in solar generators, and longer than the cells in premade batteries..And never even consider pouch cells..Of course I would build my own system completely, and have..
dollar for dollar, lb for lb, the 1000W box seems like a better product. I'm excited to see what they do with the next version of the this 2000W box.
Taking a jab at yourself calling yourself Captain Obvious. Lol. I personally think that this is a fantastic video, running tests and diagnostics to show us what we will be getting and offering advice. I appreciate the fact that you're a talker. Talkers are some of the best mentors and teachers.
Thanks for the kind words, John!
An interesting unit, for sure! I'm at the stage right now, though, where my old batteries are being replaced, and I have several inverters in addition to my JACKERY power stations. I need more batteries now, LOL! Thanks for the video! Happy New Year!
That's great that they have the 2000W version now, but I want to see one for a 48V 100ah battery 🙂
What are the benefits of getting their 280ah lifepo4 battery cells ($508 seems expensive) over getting other batteries with similar ah output? Hopefully my question makes sense. I'm new to all of this.
I would guess you get their support and you can be sure they can fit. Sure you can find cells cheap, but what grade, are they new, will they swell... There's a lot of info out there. Maybe Sunfun kits?
Loving your detailed reviews, David. If you have some time, can you look into the VDL HS2400? I believe it’s their newest flagship power station.
This looked great until Amazon Prime sales on a Ecoflo Delta 2 . After discounts I got one for $417 including S&H.
I still like this idea, but not at this price point.
Much more advanced, 2nd-gen product. With the 280AH DIY battery, and a good rolling cart, this makes for a pretty surbstantial portable power station. Drummer doing a decibel check says, "what"?
Thank you for the review. I was all ready to order this with the 280Ah battery build kit (assuming it would ship to me); however, I just can’t get past the solar input limitation. Total deal killer. 😢
Only ONE BIG ISSUE with this battery box that i found. The charge values on the screen randomly resets to 100ah / 100% regardles of what state of charge the battery its at. At first i thought it was just a one off with the unit i received. But I bought a second one, as a gift for family, and it has the same issue!! I hope licitti fixes this issue with an update or something.
Also i would like to add if you take close look at the video @15:23 i noticed that this issue acutally happened in the video as you can see its saying 100ah / 100% charged but it still at 13.1v. Also big indicator is that it is still charging at a high wattage even when it says 100% charged. Typically lifepo4 battery tends to slow down the charge when its close to 100% but it's still charging at around 300watts.
I really hope licitti fixes this issue bc the guage is basically unreliable.
Just think for the price the possibilities of two or three?
can I fit a battery inside with these dimensions: L19*W6.7*H9.5 inch
Neat.
The 1000w needs a 20a SCC and the 2000w needs a 40a SCC. The box appears to the limiting factor. I have the 1000w and miss a 1 day charge.
Yeah it might be worth asking licitti if it's able to accept a scc like a victron in the 50A port....
Nice to bad they dont sell them on amazon
Agreed. I do wish they had an Amazon store.
Looks like another unit that uses sealed lead acid batteries but does it have proper charging parameters or is it like most of the rest all my booster packs only charges to what is considered dead checked out Duracell and nature's generator both had improper charge parameters and both had so low solar input that for every day of use it took 2 days to recharge
David - I noticed that during your initial AC power output test (with the oil burner) that you were drawing 1354 watts continuous and 112.89 Amps. How can that be given the 1280W/100Amp "limits" of that 100Ahr battery yo were using? Thanks for a great video !
Great question! If you go check out the load testing clips on most of these LFP batteries, you'll see that the BMS almost always has a fair amount of "headroom" beyond that rated 100A recommended spec. And specifically how far over and how long you can run that way before the BMS shuts it down will vary from brand to brand to some extent.
75.00 US shipping is a deal breaker.
Thanks for the video! Does the AC inverter output a true RMS sine wave?
I think they missed the mark on the 2000w version. Buying the delta 2 is a better value.
Does it have UPS feature?
No, because it does not have any A.C. input. It always requires D.C. input and converts that to A.C. for output. If you are using less than 500 watts then the D.C. input will keep it charged even as you are discharging at the same time. But if you use more than that the D.C. will not keep up and eventually the battery will run out.
Hello, can you help me with the width of that mppt? That 20A mppt is a deal breaker for me, as i have a 300Ah battery pack. I am thinking of changing it with at least a 40A one, but i am not sure if i can fit it in that small space. Thanks a lot!
I can try to have a look again, but man...getting all 4 case screws to bite is a PIA! haha. And by 'width' do you mean like 'thickness' clearance?
@@ReeWrayOutdoors thanks, i just check the OEM MPPT dimensions is 32mm (sorry i'm from europe) i am thinking of stretching in a 50mm MPPT with 40A or 50A, so that my 400w panel would take advantage of it. Also, more Andreson plugs would have done a much better system...but, no product is perfect
@alexandrusavin8665 I did check it out this morning and I'd say 27mm would be the thickest module you could squeeze into the available space (plus maybe 2mm for the bracket if you reuse what's there...or maybe double-sided tape or something)
@@ReeWrayOutdoors Thanks, Ray! much appreciatte it
@@ReeWrayOutdoors the only solution left is to try to squeeze it in front of the bms. or extreme solution to get the bms on the side in the same spot the small MPPT and get the bigger mppt in the bms place, hopefully this will work, as i need 50mm of clearance
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Well the same unit worked fine for 8 hours for me the next morning i woke up to a double beep sound every minute with the AC inverter on or off have you ever dealt with that and is there a particularly way to diagnose this or is it a good time for a warranty replacement, FYI I only had a portable radio connected to it and the battery shows 96%.Thanks for any advice ahead of time.
Is there any 12 volt 200 amp battery's LifePO that fits the 2000 and what are the internal dimensions of the box ?
You find them on their website