Title might sound intimidating. But don't worry, this video isn't to bash on SMG4, nor is it an actual rant video. Take it as a documentary, analysing the factors for the current state of SMG4, and it's relation with the fans of how they feel about the show. Oh, and also, please don't comment "If you don't like the show don't watch it". Again, I'm not here to bash on SMG4.
I also want to make another correction here: Ignore the part where I said SMG4 is used "to inspire them to make better shows for their main channel of GLITCH productions". Not very sure why I said that. I in fact, very much believe that SMG4 is a wonderful show with wonderful ideas, and the workers among the show very much do care about the show.
@johncaseres6033 I'm not very sure about the logic behind that. You're saying the reason why smg4 has changed to a newer style of content which does not appeal to older fans, is because of the older fans? That doesn't make any sense.
Thanks for pointing that out: I think what I was meant to say, is that the entire GLITCH team as a whole can look onto the SMG4 channel and take ideas from it.
@@TheAwsumMegario I see what you’re trying to say, but I don't think that excuses the writers on SMG4 to put less effort into their stories than the writers over at Glitch.
@TheKaijuKing54 but ain't that like the meme channel? i honestly don't think the writing has ever been good on a smg4 video, it's stupid nonsense with lore sometimes. i love that.
The biggest problem with current SMG4 is not the inconsistencies, SMG4 had that since forever, it's that the show takes itself seriously now. Back then, it was a silly comedy show with very random humor, clearly not to be taken so seriously, so who cares if the story and lore didn't make sense ? But nowadays, the SMG4 series wants to be seen as a serious show, with more serious characters, more serious stories... And therefore the inconsistencies in writing are a lot more noticeable and damaging to the show, since it's not as random anymore and genuinly wants to introduce good narratives. Also back then, they used all of their characters in a more balanced way than they do now instead of just constantly focusing on a select few.
Yeah, that's my biggest problem with it. It tries to take itself seriously while also trying to keep the old comedy and they just aren't compatible. You can't have Mario repeatedly getting his head blown off or burning and turning into a skeleton and being fine but then also having someone permanently die after getting stabbed once
@@LilacMonarch EXACTLY. One of my biggest issues with Desti's death. Well outside of that fact that her death is the point when the show started declining in my opinion.
I try to be (in my opinion) like One Piece, "A comedy series with dramatic touches", the problem, that only works outside of UA-cam, where you expect something more serious or dramatic, instead of a meme
@@santiagoguzman142 No, I disagree. Serious SMG4 can work. Mr. Puzzles is a nearly flawless character (though I feel like we might have reached the point where they're not gonna write him so well anymore). He's funny, but also threatening, but also understandable and, at least to me, relatable. Mr. Puzzles has it all, and they balanced all of these things pretty well..But yeah besides Mr. Puzzles, they didn't do a good job of balancing the serious and funny moments.
As someone who had quitted SMG4 and the majority of the fandom by 2024 because of how everything is a huge mess, I've managed to use my ignoring braincells to actually watched the video. The first thing I want to note is that the argument "SMG4 is being more disliked by fans" by itself is flawed. How many people actually dislike SMG4, and how many percentage do they take up in the entire fandom? We can't truly know for sure, because silent viewers and lurkers exist besides commenters and content creators. This also applies to r/SMG4: it's thought that it's full of critics, but it's quite likely that people holding such views haven't accounted for the subreddit lurkers, and we don't know how many of them like or dislike the show. Secondly, SMG4 actually listens (or is capable of listening) to criticisms, which is evident by the re-redesigning announcement back in early 2023. But despite so, I suspect that they only heed them when there are lots of complaints about a particular part of the show; otherwise, they're ignored because of many factors: will they have time for them, is it worth spending a long time to make the show a bit more appealing, etc. Therefore, I believe that critics have little chance to make a considerable impact. Other than those, I agree with the rest of your video.
The problem is not SMG4, it’s the fandom. Luke has been trying to make the fandom happy by adding more and more changes, while other people hate on him saying his old videos were better, we have to understand that UA-cam is a bit complicated nowadays, making it difficult to upload, and having 2 channels working at the same time is hard work, so we can’t just expect it to get better in 1 second, SMG4 has good arcs and writing, the problem is how other view it and take it. But everyone has their own opinion right? So we can’t just go and judge hard work.
I follow smg4 since 2017 and unlike some I am extremely proud of its evolution and I like its content more and more ❤ Unfortunately life is unfair and some do not want to approve of this development His haters ruin everything and are everywhere we can't get rid of them just ignore them Smg4 is perfect, but its fandom is not and it disappoints me and makes me sad
SMG4 always had bad writing, but the difference was they knew it was bad and was meant to be bad. But then they started to add arcs and "deep lore" in which not only did it alienate the fanbase but also like cmon, we are here for the laughs, not to feel emotional. Like I fully support them wanting to move on and make new IPs like Metarunner but the fact they leech off and milk the stupid mario franchise especially with their constant OCs is what honestly what killed the channel. SMG4 should of stayed as a hobby while they focused on their other original projects
Also they started to make or create their OCs to be unlikeable and flat out boring at a certain era. Examples are: Meggy (2021-2023), Melony, Saiko (just my opinion), Axol (Genesis Arc) and Whimpu. It's one of the core reasons why I don't watch SMG4 as much as I used to thanks to them. Mr Puzzles is the only thing that's making the show interesting and exciting nowadays, Everything else is just a burned down, unfunny overusage of meme jokes and the majority of the 'cast' is either erased or flanderized.
Agreed, the only GOOD Arc was the Waluigi one BECAUSE it was silly, Waluigi throwing a fit because he couldn't get in smash was hilarious enough to be Funny yet they only made it serious enough to be Epic and not actually shy from humor
At this point, SMG4 is basically a cow that's been milked dry that the crew are trying to make more milk from. Why not just leave SMG4 to focus on other projects
4:06 Luke literally said that the entire puzzlevision thing was to test some new things out and have fun. The point of it was to be an idea dump. Honestly I don’t see anything wrong with that or anything wrong with the normal episodes either. It shouldn’t be a problem that they are changing the style of their videos.
bro why can't the writing issues just be a mix of poor writing and laziness (particularly concerning lore and character consistency), why must there be some grand reason behind it like how 'SMG4 is a testing grounds for creating higher quality shows and ideas for GLITCH'. Plus, the SMG4 writing team is clearly separated from GLITCH in terms of the work. Goose, Liam and that guy behind the gaslight district lead and write the GLITCH shows, and seem to have nothing to do with the SMG4 team (they just operate within the same company). I agree with the more minor critiques you have, such as character and lore inconsistencies, but I think your main argument is very flawed imo. There are also some other issues with SMG4 which you don't mention that I think are pretty significant to the quality of the show, like forgotten plot points (i.e. Melony's manga artist career, Meggy's coach job and SMG3's rule over the internet graveyard) which harm consistency and world building/cohesiveness, as well as the serious character appearance problem the show has (Saiko, Melony, Kaizo, SMG1 & 2, Shroomy and many side characters are very underutilised).
Because there is a grand reason why the writing issues are there not just what everyone is saying. The lack of lore acknowledgement comes from the fact it would hop back into a shift of tone or would be out of place in a wacky parody moment which leads why arcs are so rushed or anticlimactic. Character inconsistent comes from the fact they want to focus on that joke it when it can be handled without sacrificing it. I'm not saying I agree with it just pointing it out there are deeper reasons then just laziness. I guess it could still be considered that but then it would mean something else
I'm just gonna copy-paste this here so I don't have to tell you to refer to the reply of the pinned comment, "I also want to make another correction here: Ignore the part where I said SMG4 is used "to inspire them to make better shows for their main channel of GLITCH productions". Not very sure why I said that. I in fact, very much believe that SMG4 is a wonderful show with wonderful ideas, and the workers among the show very much do care about the show."
@@TheAwsumMegario Yeah SMG4 is a good show with good ideas. The problem is how they often tend to rush them. PUZZLEVISION was good, but the climax was anticlimatic and was dragged on with loads of filler. I did like how it wasn't taking itself too seriously like the lawsuit arc
About the puzzlevision saga.. If you look back at it's gotta be perfect, notice the tv on 4's screen when offered the "Magical Keyboard", Mr puzzles has been a problem to the group since smg4 was going insane. It's clear to see it's not just an idea that popped into their head just recently, Mr puzzles is also seen near the end of WOTFI 2023. (Not trying to change your opinion on the series btw.)
@@KaneMarcksNot only that, He seemed to get his hooks back into the cast during Meme Hunters, which would explain SMG4's "OOC" moments. What is the best way to make the Audience want to support Mr Puzzles taking over? How about rewriting the personality of the Channel's "Face" to make him an obnoxious gobshite?
Welp, it's been a good run, hasn't it? I'm glad I got the opportunity to join you on this adventure, and here's hoping to a bright new future! Good last video!
It’s sad because I remember watching older videos at a younger age and I just wished the modern was as good as when they first started, hell, I think the YTP parts of the more classic SMG4 is better. And I know change isn’t gonna happen, so it’s either accept it or just step away entirely. I don’t see any other way it’ll go
“AND IF I CAN MAKE YOU ENTERTAINING I CAN DO ANYTHING “ sincerely, mr puzzles was doing a more entertaining show than smg4 lol poor guy got crushed, so much wasted potencial
I think that there is a thing that people really miss about the old smg4 is the low budget side. Think for a moment what the old videos of smg4 looked like. Just sm64 and occasionally gmod gameplay (directly in the game for gmod) green screned in sm64 or gmod Map, and the Characters had outside of stock voices and memes sounds no voice actors. And all of this made smg4's old videos more crazy and nonsensical at eyes ans ear, and i don't mind the abondense of oc's (if they are correctly used) and story arcs, the Real problem of smg4 at the eyes of a lot of people is that now smg4 dosen't look like a stupid show with just a immature kid running it, but now is pretty high quality and sometimes look like it could be in an Glitch serie (btw i don't mind that)
@@sh2619-v9h Yeah. The Mario 64 usage doesn't inherently mean low-quality or a budget look, it's just a specific style that was iconic to the series (as SMG4 was THE most popular series in that style, there were many by different people before and after him but he's the one that blew up). There are many examples of EXTREMELY HIGH quality Mario 64 machinima that looks gorgeous (obvious example being MJacobBarker but there's plenty of other examples too) and super sleek and clean.
I remember that because of the first Smj4 fnaf Video i learned my first cuss word suprise mother Trucker (you get it) and I Wen.t out to the playground and iniciontly said it to some teens😂 not knowing what it meant i was like 5 they found it funny it was all good a amazing core memmory
The first FNAF video was what got me into them and I was only 9 or so when I watched it back in late 2014/early 2015, but now, their channel is but a waste of time for me.
Well the thing is people expect a lot out of UA-camrs like him but the amount of effort he already put in his channel is incredible I been watching since he started his whole Mario videos my favorite videos were some of his old ones like “who let the chomp out” or “the grand Mario hotel” he has come a long way and still deserves more for his effort
For me personally, I don't like the newer SMG4 episodes is because they slowly began to use more screentime for G Mod than screentime for SM64 and I didn't really like the change and I drifted away pretty quickly.
I'd say it's the flanderization of the characters too and the reliance on ones like Meggy. That's not even getting into SMG4 who is now reduced to a narcissistic 'hero' who believes he's morally righteous despite being no better than Puzzles
@@benbarnett5743I really loved the dynamic in the older videos. Mario was an insufferable disaster of a person who 70% of the time is the reason behind the episode's conflict, but he still has all of Mario's amazing abilities, and sometimes fumbled his way into saving the day, even if for selfish reasons. While SMG4 is the "straight man" who also makes mistakes and can barely keep himself together, but is self-aware unlike Mario.
1:43 The main reason why SMG4 doesn't listen to criticism is because of rant videos like MetalBlade5's, not only are his arguments really basic and popular talking points (in Nostalgia Egg's words) that have been said countless times by others, the guy is also just throwing baseless acusations against the Glitch crew, for example he acuses Lizzie Freeman of being racist when that is not true, but also spews out conspiraties about Luke and Kevin's relationship. All in all, this video is just full of bad faith criticism mixed with some unhiged lies, and given the attention this vid got, many ex-fans started to use this as their base for ranting on modern SMG4. And even when there are constructive criticism, most of them don't get enough attention, because most of them are made outside of UA-cam, and when they are on UA-cam, most of the ex-fans will go to vids like the MetalBlade5 one, because a good majority of them are 2014 fanboys that don't accept changes. Now don't get me wrong, I am able to differentiate the ex-fans that are fanboys of the 2014 era and that just want the show to get reversed back to how it was during that year (like Viclis and most of his fanbase), and the ones that actually want the show to improve with the ideas and concepts it has (like SMBD 12, CiblesYT, Yoshifan139 (a guy in the SMG4 wiki discuss group), or you Megario), but here's the thing, the former fanbase is incredibly toxic, and overshadows the latter fanbase, which leads to constructive criticism on UA-cam not getting as much attention as they should. However, given how much attention some of your SMG4 related videos get, there's maybe a chance that if you make a constructive criticism video of SMG4, it could get enough attention to catch Glitch's eyes and make them listen to you, it already hapened with Dafawfulizer's video, so maybe you can repeat the story and hell, even become the Dabhdude of SMG4. But hey, that's just what I think, you can tell me your own tought on this.
I only started watching SMG4 right before WOTFI 2022, and I think people also like to criticize the series for SMG4 simply not being a recolor anymore. The only time recolors will appear now Is when another remastered64 video comes out. In other words, people will find the smallest things to criticize SMG4 with and make it seem like the show is the worst show to ever exist. Even if they're somehow right, I pretty sure there are worse shows out there.
@@Frostyfella Funny how we started watching SMG4 in the same timespan, I also began watching SMG4 in late 2022, more precisely in December of 2022, and I geniunely enjoyed the show. I agree that people overreact with the redesigns, and criticising SMG4 with the smallest things, that's exactly what purist do. There already however were people that complained about SMG4 in 2021, the most notorious one being MetalBlade5. My main problem with these criticism is that many of them come from nostalgia blinded 2014 era fanboys that grew up with this era and that think this year represents SMG4 as a whole. They don't want the show to improve, they just want to revert it back to how it was in 2014, where everyone were complete idiots, instead of being actual characters, and where the humor was overused, and just a load of random voice clips slapped onto repetitive nonsense. And the criticism that are not from these fanboys, are completelly overshadowed by the fanboys' criticism. Which means you get terrible to abysmal criticisms that are relevant, and good to great criticisms that are irrelevant.
@@THGMR-ox7sd I just made the comments more paragraphed, so maybe they'll be readable for you. I also agree with you, its really a shame that most of the criticism SMG4 get are in bad faith, and they're often garbage. And worst of all ? The worst criticism often get more attention than the good ones. So yeah, its really a depresing reality we live into.
I started watching it on 2018, and sincerely… it annoys me how other character don’t appear anymore .. like WHY MEGGY (I love meggy but for gods sake ) WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY CHARACTERS LEFT BEHIND, and the potencial wasted (mr puzzles 😭😭😭) is so huge
I think SMG4 went from "funny mario and other characters getting in random predicaments" to "a group of characters and ideas being thrown around to entertain the Glitch team as they're resting after creating an amazing episode of TADC or Murder Drones", of course it's going to lack cohesion or "timbre".
Classic smg4: generic Mario recolour with unfunny and dated jokes Modern smg4: try’s to take itself seriously when it is a show about stupid Mario. Also dated, unfunny jokes
I remember watching SMG4 a lot a few years prior. I’d say the final straw for me was when he began to convert the colored Mario’s into his own models. Something just didn’t seem right about it. Then he also began the conversion to more serious videos, not to forget, some videos would be very cringy. It’s seems more people are starting to lose interest in him now because of this.
I bellive that thinking it as a Serialized Show would never work. SMG4 is not a traditional show like, Meta Runner, Murder Drones or Digital Circus, with a set beginning and end. it is a YT Channel, that plains to go on indefinitively, world billding would only become a hindrance in the long run. This current "Idea Dump Era" sounds a lot more sutainable and realistic the weekly YT Channel that it is.
See i agree with him until the lawsuit arc but starting from the ITS GOTTA BE PERFECT and the whole puzzlevision saga i dont because their doing small writing cus the saga hasnt ended yet the puzzlevision movie was half of the saga because even in smg4's twitter there is one post saying "we will meet again" with the puzzlevision key chain indicating that hes not dead and the saga isnt over we gotta wait until the BIG movie which my guess is wotfi 2024
Yeah, I legit don't get it. With all of the evidence we have, the saga is very clearly NOT over and believing that it is, feels more and more like a misconception of the movie's ending than anything actually concrete. It just feels weird and absurd that this misconception is still prevalent, when they've made it so extremely clear through posts from the actual channel and from people working on it, that this saga AIN'T OVER.
Then that begs the question: what was the Puzzlevision movie for? Why make us ask all those questions during 2023 just to make nearly all of them irrelevant in Puzzlevision? You could truly not watch anything from 2023 and fully understand the Puzzlevision movie still. The fact all of 2023 is Puzzles making his own shows truly doesn't add anything and, like Megario says, is merely an idea dump. If Mr. Puzzles is a recurring villain, then expect more of these idea dump style movies that really don't tie to a villain and would easily stand on their own if you didn't know better.
@@fozzie_79 Considering that the saga ain't over and the ever increasing likelihood that the movie's ending was a false one, The Puzzlevision Movie is likely a turning point in the saga and what happens next would show that.
Yeah, ultimately having Mr. Puzzles be a Wotfi villain has its own set of problems. We've already got oversatuated with villains being defeated by Wotfis..... which to be honest really sucks. I think this whole problem is so heated because you have the Mr. Puzzles stans who are clinging onto the character like an idol, then you have those (like me) who already grew tired of the very idea becauae of how long SMG4 dragged this out. I feel like Mr. Puzzles returning is more of a corporate demand by Kevin because he has dollar signs in his eyes. Puzzlevision was ultimately a pointless movie that did nothing but flanderize the characters.
@SteveM7Nexus Then what comes next? Mr. Puzzles already tried to make a 5 star show and failed. Is he gonna do that again? Will he pull a UA-cam Arc SMG3 and create his own Anti-Cast? Will he get real actors instead to get the 5 stars? At that point, you make all of the saga to this point irrelevant since he gains creative control of real life. Why use the objectively stupid cast at all? And no, his arrogance thinking he can do anything makes no sense if he has control of reality by the end anyway. Who cares how you get to 5 stars so long as you do? Puzzles preached how patience is stupid yet he chose the hardest path to success. I have yet to see any reason as to how this is actually a turning point. People say it is, yet there is no logical reason for it to be besides the fans wanting him back or, as I said, it is to create more idea dump movies rather than a cohesive story and universe.
Tbh it's pretty cool seeing that the videos have been increased in quality, but I will have to agree that the quality of videos increasing is possibly at the cost of what made the series great in the first place. It's not bad to have high quality videos, but what if being high quality, which is usually supposed to be great, turns out to not be as great. Smg4 in a way became an example of when low quality content is somehow better than high quality content
I believe that they did bad writing on purpose. most of the bad writing came with the puzzlevision arc, in which Mr. Puzzles influenced the narrative by quite a bit, and his shows were hilariously bad on purpose.
7:52 It’s basically half-true, Not all of the hate is from a bunch of Classic Smg4 Purists (Mostly the 2014-2016 ones) There is actually a good reason to hate the current state of the series nowadays.
The problem is that everyone wants a writing style similar to gnr back, when that's exactly what they're trying to run away from. Because they've changed for the better of their channel and for themselves. I wonder if they hate that older content with slurs and offensive shit, but just can't afford to delete it
9:21 It's me, I like that the PuzzleVision arc was laid back and all, Like, I'm glad that it didn't try to take itself too seriously, but I feel like you could still add character development, To me, it just feels like some of the characters are just sitting around waiting for something to happen, I think it's nice seeing SMG4 and his crew more happy and trying out new formats, I feel like you could still tell a simple story, but have it still have an impact on your channel
The only problem I think it really has is that they don’t shine much on the other characters like Tari, meggy, Bob or the others anymore like they used to… that was just Mario Mario, Mario, Mario, Mario… but at the same time I get it I mean they have their own animation studio now so they can’t always be there for SMG4 it’s just kind of like an after saw now kind of like the Mickey and friends group of glitch pretty much
So what I’m trying to say is that glitch production shows are like the special features… and SMG4 are like the Mickey and friends cartoons if that makes sense
I feel like I only liked SMG4 until 2016 because the old bloopers felt special. My theory is that they weren't directed at massive audiences but for the machinimists community and people who liked Mario parodies. I stopped watching SMG4 even before the arcs thing happened because it stopped feeling familiar to me. SMG4 was looking towards a more general public and that morphed his identity into something I stopped feeling good with a long time ago. TLDR: Old SMG4 videos may have had quality issues but at least they didn't include memes that I must have already seen 17 times that day and that's because it was for a UA-cam that no longer exists today
Easy: The comedy. Wont pretend old was peak comedy, but I found myself actually being at least endeared in comparison to now where I just kinda feel... nothing. Brainrot humor just... doesnt work for me (except for le Deer anime baby, although thats likely due to less skibidi lingo) And this... is just more painful than funny. Also as well, the arcs just dont hit the same as the Waluigi arc. Whole lotta misses since they killed Desti and effectively broke the respawn canon that was established up to then. I dont think much can save this for OG fans, SMG4 is in too deep. So they must march with their new pug fanbase.
It's too bad that Luke couldn't take proper criticism thanks to MetalBlade5, as well as Classic Purist (Mostly the 2014-2017 Purist) for overshadowing it with their BS. They should leave for good, and the series should improved instead.
That's so sad bro... like a teenager boy myself I can say what for me smg4 began to die when smg4 stopped being smg4 to convert the villager of animal crossing n Smg3 passed of being Smg3 stopped of being Smg3 to convert in Mister Beast n act like a anime girl, or when I saw the video of "smg4 don't meme for one second"...
@@saunter-music A fair few of us UA-camrs surrounding SMG4 content have this type of SMG4/Mario recolour OC. Another bigger SMG4 UA-camr, Machroma (18K subs), has a recoloured SMG4 as his OC.
Personally, I largely stopped watching SMG4 videos a couple years ago (not completely) probably because I've grown away from it but maybe I may rewatch 'em and also think more about classic and modern SMG4.
Its less "cant handle changes" and more "dislikes the change and the effect it had on their enjoyment". Change =/= Good by default. It can be good to change, but that doesnt mean its automatically a good change, as it can be good or bad.
I've seen someone compare recent SMG4 with TTG and I can see the similarities. The SMG4 are the main characters yet they barely act like heroes outside of arcs. The only difference is that TTG has a reason for lack of continuity because it's meant to be a comedy show. TTG isn't supposed to take itself seriously. You don't see people complaining about TTG's lack of continuity because the show isn't meant to be taken seriously. SMG4, on the other hand, is meant to be a drama action series and yet it has no continuity. I'd say the problem with SMG4 as of now is that the show has style over substance type of writing. It feels like the arcs are only done to attract older audiences. Another problem is the reliance on memes. Not only does this make the show dated, but it's a problem when you constantly rely on it. It's ironic how SMG4 (the character) is basically becoming the one channel type he hated. I really hate how they butchered the characters. SMG4 went from a genuinely nice and selfless guy to a control freak who acts more like a cult leader. (I have a headcanon that Mr Puzzles probably kidnapped the real SMG4 crew long ago during the Cosmology Saga which explains their flanderization)
Your critique on SMG4's character is the same critique I have with Robin from TTG Once was a nice and good leader then goes to a complete bully and control freak (But then again the whole crew bullies Robin in TTG, so he's also a victim)
@@daniboy4153 At least TTG Robin has a bit of reason for why he acts the way he does (He was bullied by the other titans as you said, so it does give Robin some justification for his behavior). SMG4 doesn't have the same justification
@@daniboy4153 You said it. TTG Robin HAS some backstory that slightly justifies his control freak behavior. It doesn't entirely justify Robin's behavior to them, but it does give him some degree of sympathy
@@daniboy4153 That's the thing. With Robin, at least he HAS something that explains his behavior. It doesn't entirely justify Robin's behavior, but it makes him sympathetic. SMG4 has no excuse for his behavior and the show expects us to see him as some "hero"
@@daniboy4153 You know, that gave me an idea of a dark AU SMG4 fanfic that follows the downfall of the titular protagonist into villainy. Basically, the AU would follow a supposed deleted scene of the episode "I Put Mario In Danger for Views" where SMG4 puts his crew in a challenge that never made it into the episode. Said challenge being a tightrope walk over a pool of lava. This time, the crew would speak out against SMG4 who just blows off their concerns. Things take a dark turn when SMG4 reveals that he only sees the crew as money makers and his friends call him out. SMG4 responds by smacking them, prompting them to leave, but SMG4 isn't done with them... This would be an excellent deconstruction of some of the complaints people had with modern SMG4.
I haven't watched the video yet, but I wanted to give my two cents on something that personally bothers me about SMG4. Specifically how once Melony's "arc" with SMG0 and all that stuff was done, she was thrust into the background and hasn't really made any serious appearances since. She could've been a great help in so much stuff since then, but they never let her do anything since they wrote her to be so overpowered that having her even be around removes most of the tension from any kind of stressful situation the characters find themselves in. Idk, it bothers me. It's like they finished what they wanted to do with her and then went "Fuck you." and removed her from the show.
I see where the video is going, but i think the medium for SMG4 has changed too, Nintendo did a shadowban on most of GMOD assets. Now, we have nothing, so they have to move to other sources to provide with the videos.
I personaly think that smg4 took such a massive hit in 2022 that it's like season seven of spongebob it was so bad that it made people hate the show and it didn't really matter how good it was aftter that the lawsuit arc was stupid and dumb it bascly was the compleat opposite of modern and older smg4 i mean look at wofti 2021 and puzzlevision
WOTFI 2021 and the Genesis Arc was the real start of the downfall I feel because they completely changed the entire SMG4 canon and I did not enjoy that.
@@LiamDeege i personnaly really liked it in 2021 BUT WOFTI 2022 had the worst villan worst concept and worst biuldup it was so bad that people stopped waching at all why do you thibk he did so much rework in 2024 and 2023?
@@liotheeeveetrainer4305 I just didn't like how all of a sudden, they are "Super Meme Guardians" and the canon gets changed entirely and personally this is the reason SMG4 started dying for most fans. As of October I no longer watch them for good as the WOTFI was a complete waste of time and I hated the concept, SMG3 is also one of the most overused characters and I liked him before the aftermath of the UA-cam arc.
@@LiamDeege yea i can defentilly understand that thoes are the reasons that i hate 2022 it was all over the place and it was a stupid story told in a stupid way
@@LiamDeege not to mention how they killed meggy's charcter now she is bascly Amy from sonic but worse she is cruel uncaring and overall act like a whiny baby karen to mario for NO RESON
I find it ironic how SMG4 is still enjoyed and respected by people despite the seasonal rot as well as the flanderization of the characters and the similarities and differences of the modern videos compared to the old videos, and the fact that Luke seems to have a well respected community even though he’s not exactly perfect with his work, and the channel isn’t as good as it was before. But when it comes to SML, it’s filled to the brim with toxicity, ungratefulness, and a huge community filled with drama, historical events, and eras all over the place, and on top of that, Logan Thirtyacre, the creator of SML, is constantly hated on for his work and is always gets so much criticism.
I think smg4 is doing perfectly fine atm, I’ve been a fan since 2019-2020 and believe they’ve actually improved and still believe they will improve more and more
Plus I mean they do an episode a week which leaves little time to write so for the time they have they do some pretty good writing, I wanna see you write good scripting every week for a 10 minute episode and not make some mistakes before you criticize them
@@EDoty-mn6xy Yeah. You make an insanely valid point. From personal experience, writing can be a pain to get through along with the revisions and edits. Especially with such a small deadline.
@@TheRealNightFall666 In all honesty, I don't blame them. Having so much negative criticism/rants can be really annoying at times. Especially in this case with SMG4, where it does nothing to actually help and just festers more unnecessary hate. It's basically the result of having too much Negative Criticism and not enough Constructive Criticism (at least in terms of visibility).
This is gonna be my rant / explanation of why i think it's gone dowhill. 1: Ever since the Lawsuit Arc almost all the Nintendo characters are gone which lost a bunch of the OG fans. 2: SMG4 is the testing ground for GLITCH. The puzzlevison arc is just TADC. SMG4 is where Glutch tests their ideas before they became complete ideas 3: they've formatted SMG4 into a TV show instead of what it was originally. 4: My personal favorites time period for SMG4 is season 7 - 12. I genuinely think that SML getting sued screwed over SMG4 and forced it into a non-nintendo show
Seriously dude, You forgot to mention that this video isn’t intended to encourage those Pre-2017 Purist to post comments like the girls ruined SMG4, or SMG4 was meant to be a Parody Channel.
What people don't understand is that SMG4 wants to raise in quality and be more original. They're not gonna stay the same forever. Things are gonna have to change.
I guess the fan base as a whole (or maybe it’s the subreddit, idk) is either stuck in the past and think the show should stay as it were (if they really want more SM64 machinima content, either look at OnyxKing, AlexSpider or Weegeepie, it’s not that hard to look at someone else who does similar content that gives you what you want to see), or they can’t accept change despite the fact change is inevitable, and if SMG4 stayed as ‘silly meme show with Mario and Blue Mario go on wacky adventures and beat up purple and Black Mario from fraudulent content creation’ Luke is eventually gonna get demonetised by Nintendo for copyright infringement, and Luke and Kevin would probably be unsatisfied with the current state of the show and wanna do something different, hence the story arcs, the movie’s (I always look forward to a SMG4 movie as it fills in that gap while I’m impatiently waiting for Sonic the Hedgehog 3 to come out) the saga’s, and some of the characters getting professional voice actors for voice acting, at first only for a few lines, or for important story beats in arcs and movies, to full on voice acting. Luke and Kevin want to be more creative and original, and in my honest opinion, they’re doing a great job at it.
@MKF543 I mean they changed the models in order to avoid getting a potential DMCA but it’s unlikely that would happen regardless since parody law is different than it is in America from what I’ve heard in the past, but also not everyone has the same appeal as to what they want in videos which is understandable and that’s why I also quit watching them 8 months ago or so
@TheAwsumMegario add in now that characters like saiko, tari, melony and many more fan favorites are now reduced to be side characters and im not surprised overtime people are getting frustrated with that
I know youre just discussing the smg4 problems but i still love smg4 and it justs so sad how many people are hating smg4 when hes just trying to make the videos better and people are hating luke, kevins and other smg4 helpers hard work it just makes me feel so sad
Honestly Smg4 is ironically TOO serious now, In a funny way the problem is he's trying to erase Any bits of Mario from his content such as the name from From Supermarioglitchy4 being turned into Super Meme Guardian, honestly i didn't need the explanation for why everyone is insane or stupid bit now that it's there it made the series a bit more difficult to enjoy.
smg4 is a different show than what it started as, there are many that miss the old smg4, me included, but youtube is sadly much stricter than back then, plus every episode is on such tight schedule, so it is nearly impossible to make one that stands out or reaches the quality of the original. I ve got to say, in terms of production, the new smg4 is unbelievable, pumping out episodes every other week, but that has only caused more headache rather than satisfaction, i quit smg4 2 years ago because of excessive episode dose and the lack of amusement it gave me, but sadly smg4 is really just another kids channel now, and by constantly pumping out content for the kiddies they make their money to pay all of their workers and fund the glitch shows. In the end though, smg4 still has potential to return to their roots and maybe spice up the writing and the jokes, but as long as the child demographic is what funds the channel, and the episode schedule is that tight, i dont think it may come back any time soon.
Yeah I used to watch them on and off from 2015 or so to October last year and I’m happy I finally left them behind. Everything becoming too original, anime being heavily inspired, SMG3 getting overused, the canon changing completely thanks to the genesis arc, and Nintendo elements being written out left and right
I honestly, i think the problem is theres not enough "mario" anymore they are focusing on oc's instead of the whole point mario, mario is the funny part i remember watching mario gets milk or marios ***** is stuck in the door and i think the new castle kinda ruined it
I still think it's great. But I do miss the older style of his. But atleast he's doing what loves and is entertaining the masses through great content. SMG4 was and always will be one of the kings of youtube
I like both contenr the modern and the old. In my opinion,their both good. Sometimes, i watch the old and sometimes i watch the modern and hes there is a huge difference between them but it shows how luke is trying to improve. Luke has grown up and he is not the same anymore. People change. As he grew more his humor changed. Yes he is not the same anymore but still he tries to make his fans happy and he DOES listen to the criticism like when he was getting hate for the new redesigns in early 2023.He changed it and made it much better. One problem is the fanbase of the community. It is slowly getting worse. They dont appreciate luke for what hes doing. Hes trying to improve but smg4 does lack some things and has overused characters but it isnt overall bad i like it. People can see how much his videos have changed and another thing i wanted to point out were the "Old" fans. I have seen a lot of them. The problem with them is that they go around smg4's videos or some comment that likes smg4 and just comment saying "Omggg! Modern smg4 sucks old better+no one cares+your opinion doesn't matter and luke sucks he isn't even funny anymore" i may agree that he is not as much funny as he was back in the day but nowadays he is focusing more on lore and storylines on his channels. (Will continue sorry if its big 😭)
You do make a lot of good points, but I feel like the reason the shows been a bit all over the place, especially since western spaghetti and the it’s gotta be perfect arc, is because it’s building to something in the future… Mr. puzzles changed a LOT of the status quo in the show in a pretty drawn out amount of time, and his entire plan seemed to revolve around making random shows. Heck he even makes a point of quoting in his song about how stupid he finds the SMG4 show to be. So it’s likely that he may have screwed up a LOT of things, maybe even including the continuity of the show itself… which if that’s the case, that would’ve a pretty insane twist. Plus now that he’s made a return thanks to popular fan demand, (though I’m sure his return was planned well in advance), I feel all that’s happened is heavily building to something in the future… but I guess we shall find out what they have in store, and wether it will be good or not!
I personally think that people are so used to the old smg4 that their not used to a thing called "change". Smg4 wanted to go for something more modern and original. I personally love his videos and have been a fan for years now, and I love the changes. I think the episodes today are interesting and cool, even the animations, I also think that the arcs are very cool, even the songs in WOTFI are a bop, some people are just stuck in the past.
The thing I don’t like about smg4 was he used to make funny skits back in the days now it’s just stories with just Mario if he wanted to do that it shouldn’t be Nintendo related
I used to watch his videos ALL the time. Up until the 202ps hit. Because then I saw the quality falter. Nowadays, I barely even try watching. It just feels... too kiddy for me.
I had tried re-watching SMG4, but I just felt left with the story arcs. I mean, I see what Luke [Team] is doing, but to have it from left to right on how SMG4 is that just forced it to be a little chaotic. If I say so myself.. for people who say, I hate him, that's not true. I like what he is doing but, it's just fell off for me since 2019-2020.
The problem is the recent writing. Before the Puzzlevision arc, characters were entering the realm of consistent. No one was a douche to each other, stories were written well, and the overarching story had been building up to something big. But as soon as Zamnation came, it kinda messed up with the tone of the show. Now, SMG4 was back to being a crazy addict desperate for views, Tari went from growing from a shy, but strong ally, to a shriveling mess, Meggy and most of the other characters are now background noise, and Mr. Puzzles, the antagonist built up to be scarier then Niles, and a very dangerous threat, was then turned into a bumbling moron who can barley do anything right. I really do like SMG4’s newer content compared to the old stuff, I like how the redesigns look, I like Mr. Puzzles, but this show fell apart due to the inconsistent tone. It also doesn’t help that characters that were introduced literally an episode ago meant nothing in the end. Remember Lui, or Clench? You probably don’t due to them not doing anything after they appeared. The best Lui did was help SMG4 understand why Marty was angry, and Clench…, was there to help make Tari stronger, I guess? But after that, nothing.
That’s pretty much sums up the same issues I’ve been having with SMG4 as of late. Not to mention the PuzzleVision episodes feel like undercooked parodies that don’t really add much to the SMG4 storyline. I also don’t like how Meggy has been reduced to a short angry person joke, especially with the annoying Leggy gag.
@@danwilliams1989 The problem is, this show has been shown to do good. The previous Puzzlevision arcs, Meggy’s new fixes, Creative Control, the voice acting, the animation, etc. It can be good, but it feels like they’re often limited in what they can and can’t use for a story. And as for the Puzzlevision videos being undercooked parodies, yeah. While they’re still fun, they definitely show they had no idea what to fully do with Mr. Puzzles. I feel like it should’ve been a countdown to a movie with the cards on the banner, where Mr. Puzzles puts SMG4’s friends in a Danganronpa styled event, and kept his calm and sadistic manner, and maybe even kept that tv filter had at the end of WOTFI 2023, anyone remember when his voice was echoy? I do, and I want that back. Oh well, it is what it is.
I'm just going to throw in my two cents but I am starting to think with all of the character inconsistencies, lore building, lack of other characters like Saiko and Shroomy getting screentime and with how rushed the Puzzlevision movie was I think SMG4 (the show itself) should have a long extended vacation so that way Luke can recharge and when the show comes back he and his writing team can have a fresh approach with the show like make Mario less of a manchild and more or less like how he was portrayed in Stupid Mario Wonder, have Meggy be less cranky for the sake of humor, make episodes with different dynamics like maybe an episode where Karen teaches Bowser how to be a good parent, Meggy and FM having an adventure between old school fighter and new school fighter and maybe an episode where SMG3 interacts with his old Snitch Gang.
Or maybe just reboot the series because it's clear the series is just spewing out ideas for the sake of it. Maybe have the reboot be more lighter and softer with more emphasis on action than drama. It wouldn't be a bad idea for Luke to take a break from the SMG4 series. Sadly I don't think the show will take a break since it brings them so much money.
I thought of an arc that kinda addresses those ideas. Here is the premise for it. Redemption arc: I have an idea for an arc that kinda touches those critiques. The crew stop another eldritch abomination, but are met with scorn from the citizens for destroying the city. This results in SMG4 and crew getting into a talk with the mayor of the mushroom kingdom. He berates the crew for recklessly destroying the city in their battle and believes that they never seem to learn their lessons. Meggy tries to remind the mayor about the times SMG4 saved the world and that sometimes you gotta break the eggs when saving the day, but the mayor reminds them that saving the day isn't a job, but a duty that should be handled by heroes who take said duty seriously. So the mayor announces that he will send the crew to the onion mines... that is unless they reach an agreement. SMG4 asks what the agreement is and the mayor explains that the terms are simple. SMG4 and his crew give up their weapons, powers, and lifestyle to live a normal life, retiring from their adventurous lifestyle. SMG3 interjects, saying the mayor can't do that, but the mayor reminds them that he will send them to the onion mines if they say no. Left with no choice, SMG4 and his crew reluctantly accept and go through a medical process that removes them of their powers and allow the president to confiscate their weapons. A year passes by since the SMG4 crew retired and nothing big has happened. Most of the glitchy crew are enjoying the simple and fun lifestyle of 'normal' people, but Meggy and SMG4 openly express boredom. There have been no eldritch horrors or insane lunatics in a while that Meggy is just asking for something to happen. In an undisclosed lair, a mysterious figure gets word of the SMG4 crew retiring and uses this as a chance to show the mushroom kingdom that a new evil has arrived in the form of the Cobra Clan. This calls for the SMG4 crew to save the day again, but not only will this be a challenge without their powers, but what also makes this a challenge is that Killer Cobra is able to make backup plans that the crew never discover. This arc is inspired by the 2008 Dark Knight film and intends to deconstruct the SMG4 series. It's meant to ask how the SMG4 crew would be in a more realistic setting and you can see the outcomes. SMG4 and his crew are treated like outsiders and completely distrusted by the public due to the unintentional destruction they cause from the arcs they go on. Let's go over the arc villain I made called Killer Cobra. He's a bomb throwing anarchist who serves as the leader of the enigmatic Cobra Clan with the desire of overthrowing the kingdom into chaos. Unlike the other arc villains, he isn't an eldritch horror or a superpowered entity, but a normal human with nothing but his resources. What Killer Cobra lacks in superpowers, he makes up for with his intelligence and ruthless nature. He not only creates backup plans with the resources at his disposal, but he knows a lot about the crew and uses their powers against them. Killer Cobra is also a pragmatist, avoiding tons of villain cliches and relying on dirty tactics to defeat the crew. What's truly dangerous about Killer Cobra is his manipulative nature as he knows how to mess with his foes psychological states. He orders his minions to kill numerous toads just as Peach escapes the pit, using this as a way to drive Peach to kill the SMG4 crew with him. As for Killer Cobra's Freudian excuse and backstory... well... he doesn't have anything. He goes as far as to mock the idea of a Freudian excuse to SMG4 and his crew as he tells them multiple backstories that contradict with each other. Killer Cobra doesn't have any start of darkness, real name, backstory, or anything for that matter. He just shows up to wreak havoc, but I intentionally did this to make him scarier and offer a new threat to the crew. The SMG4 crew have dealt with many villains, but most of the ones they fought before had something of a clear motive. This time, they're facing a villain they know nothing about alongside one with no clear motive. Killer Cobra isn't motivated by greed, pride, lust, envy, or anything reasonable. He's just evil because he enjoys it. My idea behind Killer Cobra is offering an actual pure evil villain in the series alongside a realistic villain. Killer Cobra doesn't have any excuse for his actions and devoid of redeeming qualities, going as far as to mock the crew for believing in redemption. On top of that, what makes Killer Cobra stand out is the fact that his villainy is basically played in a more realistic manner with little supernatural elements to it as he commits destruction wherever he goes. He's basically meant to show that sometimes the real monsters aren't always eldritch or supernatural. On top of that, Killer Cobra also manages to escape arrest at the end with no traces of where he could've gone off to. Obviously, Killer Cobra's character is inspired by Heath Ledger's Joker (Both are enigmatic men of unknown origins, provide contradicting backstories, and corrupt a specific individual to further their goals [Peach in the case of Killer Cobra and Harvey Dent in the case of Joker]). Although, unlike the Joker, Killer Cobra is far more stoic in nature and rarely raises his voice at all (Kinda think Anton from No Country From Old Men or SATAM Robotnik with the Joker's usage of dark comedy). Peach's role is basically Harvey Dent in that she ends up being driven mad by Killer Cobra to the point that she targets the SMG4 crew before being put out of her misery. What do you think of this idea? I kinda wanted to see an arc where the characters lose for once to subvert the whole "good guys always win" tropes in the arcs. It's also my idea of the show actually acknowledging the arcs that came beforehand. I'm welcome to any thoughts and critiques
Here's a script for this arc idea too: (The SMG4 crew manage to stop another eldritch abomination, unaware of the destruction they unintentionally caused) SMG4: No need to thank us! Just another day in the life of me and my crew! Your rewards are all we need! (Suddenly, someone throws a rock at SMG4, earning the ire of Meggy) Meggy: Alright, who threw that?! Koopa: It was me! Look at what your "heroics" did! Half of the city is destroyed! Meggy: Hello, we saved the city! You're welcome! Koopa: Uh, that monster was after you guys! Heavy: I bet the day wouldn't need saving if you and your crew weren't around! Goomba: Yeah! SMG-Freak! (The rest of the citizens just walk off while saying negative things about the SMG4 crew who can only look down in sadness) Mario: Well, at least it can't get any worse! (An intercom is heard as the mayor makes an announcement) Mayor: Would the SMG4 crew be kind enough to report to what's LEFT of the White House please? (The crew walk over to the white house as SMG4 knocks on the door) Mayor: Who is it? SMG4: It's me SMG4. SMG3: And his friends. Mayor: Please come in. (The crew all walk in to see an angry mayor looking down at them) Melony: You wanted to see us? Mayor: Yes, I wanted to have a little chat with you all? SMG4: You mean about how you want to show us your gratitude? Mayor: (twitches) Gratitude? GRATITUDE?! LOOK AT WHAT YOU HOOLIGANS DID TO MY CITY! THIS IS THE SEVENTH ELDRITCH HORROR WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS WEEK BECAUSE OF YOUR RECKLESSNESS! YOU THINK I WANT TO SHOW YOU ALL GRATITUDE?! SMG3: Come on, if it weren't for us, this world wouldn't even be standing! Besides, you're rich so you can fix these damages! It's just a stupid city! Mayor: (Grits his teeth in anger) JUST A... STUPID... CITY?! DO YOU PUNKS HAVE ANY IDEA HOW ANNOYING IT IS TO CONSTANTLY REPAIR THE CITY WEEK AFTER WEEK IN THE AFTERMATH OF AN ELDRITCH HORROR ATTACK?! YOU THINK I HAVE INFINITE MONEY TO REPAIR THE CITY?! OR DO YOU ALL THINK SOME FAIRY GODMOTHER WILL APPEAR AND USE HER MAGIC WAND TO REPAIR MY CITY! Melony: Sorry, we'll be more careful next time and we do take care of the villains that appear! Mayor: Yes, but at the same time, studies show how you all are also responsible for said villains. Lawyer Kong, directly tied back to Meggy. Mr Puzzles, tied back to all of you. Zero, tied back to Bob right there! We've had a 30% rise in criminal activity, a 40% increase in unemployment, and don't get me started on the cosmic horror attacks! It's clear you freaks don't take responsibility for your actions and, whenever they do happen, you all are quick to blame the avatar Mario! Did you all forget we wouldn't be here without him?! Tari: Ok, so we're slightly dysfunctional, but we still care for each other and save the day! Meggy: And while we cause destruction, we still save the day in style. It's like that old saying, sometimes you gotta break the eggs while saving the day! Mayor: Well, a real hero knows that it's their duty to protect the eggs! This brings me to my next issue with you freaks. You all clearly see heroics as a game or a way of showing off. SMG4 and crew, you all should know that heroics isn't a game. It's a duty! A duty that comes with great responsibility! Responsibilities that should be handled by heroes who take said duty seriously. Not by a bunch of dysfunctional freaks! SMG4: We'll be more careful next time! We promise! Mayor: Sorry, but I'm gonna have to send you all to the onion mines... (All of the crew begin screaming upon hearing that) Mayor: Unless we reach an agreement. (The glitchy crew all stop screaming) SMG4: What's are the terms? Mayor: Simple. You and your crew surrender your powers, weapons, and lifestyle to live a normal life away from heroics. Meggy: You can't do that! We enjoy our lifestyle! Mayor: As mayor of this city, I sure as heck can do it! So do you all agree or not? SMG4: Never! Mayor: Fine, but remember, you all will be sent to the onion mines... (At that point, realizing they have no choice, the SMG4 crew accept and undergo a procedure that drains them of their powers) (A year passes and we cut back to the showgrounds. Surprisingly, there have been no eldritch horrors or lunatics in a while. The SMG4 crew don't mind this new lifestyle as they can finally relax. However, we see that Meggy, 4, 3, and Mario are openly bored) Meggy: I can't believe this! We constantly go out of our way to save the city and the president just chooses to strip us of our heroics because we unintentionally cause destruction! SMG3: Exactly! Did he forget that if it weren't for us, this world would probably not be standing? SMG4: I just wish the citizens could at least treat us like real people and not freaks.
@@benbarnett5743 Unfortunately yeah while this seasons had it's ups unfortunately after the Celeste situation happened a lot of cracks are starting to show and there is a noticeable downgrade in terms of plot, character and world building. I think Luke and his team should do what Markiplier does when he feels like the channel starts feeling like a chore and that's take a decent lengthy hiatus until they can have a fresh approach and know what they want. While SMG4 does make money Glitch itself seems to make more considering it has more subs then SMG4 does and with how much of a boom the Amazing Digital Circus has become SMG4 should be able to afford a lengthy hiatus until Luke and his team can clean up all of the unnecessary character quirks (SMG4 being like Mario and Meggy being overly cranky) and explain unexplained stuff like the boarded up door, Peaches status and Clench. In my opinion they can still do drama/dark arcs but they should find away keep the arc/story consistent and well structured.
@@claytontessmer3566 Yeah, I wouldn't be against that idea of giving SMG4 a long hiatus. Season 13 was a good season, but I noticed how season 14 has once again been a downgrade. At this point, Luke and Kevin should probably just either reboot SMG4 or just take a hiatus from it. That is indeed a big problem is how the show nowadays barely touches upon the aftermath of each arc (in an unmade arc, there were plans to touch upon the Lawsuit Arc but it got scrapped). It feels like SMG4 is becoming the new TTG at this point. Although, in the case of Teen Titans Go, I don't mind it's usage of negative continuity since TTG is meant to be a comedy show with low stakes. Lack of continuity is a problem with SMG4 because it is meant to be an actual serious show with lore, but it ignores that rule. That's my idea for the Redemption arc in a way. It's meant to showcase the crew's flaws of barely learning or developing from the arcs which results in them being seen as freaks/outsiders to the public. I always did wonder how the crew would be treated in a more realistic setting where the arcs are known to the public. As for Peach's status, I have an idea for her in the Redemption arc. Basically, Killer Cobra has his minions all the toads in front of her once she is returned to normal. This would then result in Killer Cobra persuading her to undergo a face heel turn, reminding her about how the SMG4 crew abandoned her. Peach would then become a deranged psychopath who wants to murder anyone involved in the murder of her kingdom, not realizing that Killer Cobra did it. You can see that this aspect is inspired by the Joker and Harvey Dent from the Dark Knight. Another thing the crew should do is maybe not give their next villains origin stories to keep them that much more terrifying.
For me I kinda fell off because of the lack of proper continuity and also side characters only being there for skits now…Yk it kinda feels like characters like peach,Chris and swag don’t really interact with the main cast as much as they used too or even get episodes to themselves anymore now it’s just kinda Mario,smg4,meggy,smg3, and sometimes bob. Also I loved arcs such as the genesis and revolutions arc so walking back on the lore and such in the law suit arc and also all the sudden change idk feels like whiplash and a waste of my time since I’m no longer invested in the world they wanted to build. I know it’s not a popular opinion but just to the ppl who hate gag comedy and dark story telling I recommend reading the Archie sonic the hedgehog comics because they do exactly that and some of the arcs in those comics do a perfect job at balancing comedy and dark story arcs.
Shit can only change based what creators "think." Remember this SMG4 is writing the show not us and we have no right to ruin probably tens of hours of work for one video.
Honestly I’m just surprised that SMG4 hasn’t been copyrighted by Nintendo for still using their characters in their videos. I expected them to get the same cease and desist treatment just like what happened to Logan and his channel. Why haven’t they been copyright strike yet? Is it due to them being Australian? Is it due to SMG4 using more of their original characters than Nintendo ones? Who knows. 🦅
Respectfully The ocs (Meggy, Tari, Saiko, melony, karen.) of the smg4 series are unique in their own characteristic ways but they shouldn’t be involved in a series where every episode is just comedically and chaotically dumb and silly where the settings have sm64/gmod backgrounds, they should just stay in their own series of glitch productions like with Tari and her meta runner series. As for the story arcs they are really good written but for one i don’t think they should be canon towards the smg4 series and should just be fanon like dragon ball gt and the movies (though the only parts of the arc I considered to be canon is from the genesis arc where we get to see lore of smg4 and how everything turn out the way it be, but as the for some other arcs they shouldn’t be canon wise to me if you get the point). And two the arcs are more serious and emotional trainwreck which isn’t too bad but in a comedy series where mario is dumb and curse it just feels weird. To fit the classic charm of smg4 the arcs should be more unserious and just chaotically wacky like the realistic undertale series. Infact the arcs should have its own channel and not mash in a series where mario or the characters have the most randomness scenarios.
Theory:I believe the puzzle vision arc was trying to say that its complicated to have a good "rate" showing how mr puzzles coukd be the smg4 channel and the crew is the fanbase in somesort. :>
For me I kinda fell off because of the lack of proper continuity and also side characters only being there for skits now…Yk it kinda feels like characters like peach,Chris and swag don’t really interact with the main cast as much as they used too or even get episodes to themselves anymore now it’s just kinda Mario,smg4,meggy,smg3, and sometimes bob. Also I loved arcs such as the genesis and revolutions arc so walking back on the lore and such in the law suit arc and also all the sudden change idk feels like whiplash and a waste of my time since I’m no longer invested in the world they wanted to build.
oh thank god fozzie is mentioned, i can never understand why he wouldn't leave his attachment to smg4 so much while he makes criticisms and despises smg4, one of the main characters in the show
Fozzie is correct in his criticism tho, smg4 has been absolutely effortless these days and the writing is horrid and cringe to the point that it basically is a kid show, something smg4 himself had the audacity to criticize
I find it hard to watch it now, it just doesn't hit the same like it used to, the jokes and same old shtick, Mario being the dumbass he his making things spiral out of the crew's control and they have to work together to fix the issue, it's so stale and repetitive, and the new animation style and not using gmod keyframes entirely, rather than a mix of using real SM64 movement of the character AND Gmod, the new character designs of SMG4 and SMG3 look like Cocomelon fan characters, sorry for the rant, just had to say it.
ITs official, Despite saying SMG4 cares, the only way he does is when theres tons of backlash about something. Like fishy boopkins character design updates, which people hated on, so they changed it. Other then that, they don't give 2 shits about what we think, and will make SMG4 how THEY want it to without consdering feedback from us, we're just along for the ride as passengers, aside from interactive events every once in a blue moon.
Honestly its more of fandom that it sucks cause i have no problem with series with a few minors like: meggy being very overused,the almost lack of character devlopment of some characters like mario and luigi and some non explained desapearing of some characters like X and FM. But i dont have problems with the old and new smg4 like seriously can we live in piece for once and not complain that smg4 changed so much like if you want something serious watch the arcs of the new era if you want randomnes things watch the old videos
And another reason is because youtube is a beatifull piece of shit nowdays like this new youtube is very hypocrite if you guys dont know what i mean just like goji center says let us explain well we know that youtube algorithm dont want you to put +18 things right? Well in 2021 when fnf exploded there was an a ad of grilfriend being half naked and here on 2024 we had an add of how to increase your dick but i would say why if that is against the algorithm youtube and also the main problem is the youtube robot cause its so broken like it can work
I also miss the old SMG4 & some of it's hilarious videos and content. Below is a list of how the series should go as for fans to enjoy and entertainment to be remembered (In which I know will never happen). 1. Bring back the old designs of SMG4 (recolored), SMG3 (recolored), Fishy Boopkins (as a spike), and Bob (Garo). 2. Bring back Peach's castle. 3. Make Peach less of a Karen and more of a friendly & supportive character & like what she used to be. 4. Bring back the classic characters such as Peach, Toad, Yoshi, Wario, Bowser, Waluigi, Steve, X, FM, Starman3 (with a replacement voice actor/person), Chica, Freddy, Chris, Swagmaster69, & the teletubbies and give them main roles. 5. The return of G&R for Chris and Swag. 6. Have an arc that doesn't end in a WOFTI. 7. Keep some modern characters such as Fishy Boopkins, Bob, Meggy, & Tari 8. Modern characters; Saiko, Kaizo, Melony, Belle, Whimpu, & Depresso should be permanently removed from the series 9. Balance between Gmod & N64. 10. Bring back the recolors.
I think I would give this a 50/50. Some points I don't agree with but I definitely respect that you're using constructive criticism, so here are my points: 1. SMG4 most likely doesn't listen to criticism because most of it is all the same. "Modern SMG4 fell off, old videos were better, the redesigns suck, the voice acting sucks". Surely he doesn't want to hear the fandom bitching about going back to old videos constantly. This is the same case with Vivziepop's haters with her two shows in the same universe, Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, both criticisms constantly being "stop with the constant sex jokes and swearing every minute". The only difference is Vivzie responds negatively to criticism, while SMG4 doesn't and ignores it, but they've both grown tired of both their shows having the same criticism when they just want to do their own thing without people complaining about the same thing constantly without end. People change over time. We all have changed including SMG4. The reason people say "anyone miss old [nostalgic youtuber]?" is because they, like most do, don't want to grow up and stay in good old times. They refuse to accept that SMG4 is changing and evolving his content from just being Mario shitposts and having a fully fledged story while still keeping meme material in it, I'm fine with the changes but people need to know that if people want to do something different, they want to do something different and accept that. 2. I don't think the PuzzleVision arc was just an "idea dropbox". This entire arc has been developed all the way since "SMG4, Are you OK?" hence the perfection arc, only being a piece of the entire PuzzleVision saga. (Mr. Puzzles is responsible for sending 4 the demonic keyboard, leading to the destruction of Peach's castle and selling the Showgrounds to the crew.) Mr. Puzzles has constantly been behind nearly everything since early 2023, so if SMG4 had the idea for him THAT early, I don't think the PuzzleVision arc (in its entirety since IGBP and the PV shows and movie) has only been an idea dropbox. I'm pretty sure he was just talking about Mr. Puzzles's shows being the idea dropbox where the crew can give their creative ideas for parodies and such, just as we see with Mr. Puzzles's shows. These are the only 2 points I could make but I hope I could make it as clear and understandable as I could make it
Honestly, im just here bc i dont like what they did to Puzzles after the arc. Ive never been a huge SMG4 fan, but i wasnt happy with the decision to being him back so soon. Idk other than that, ive been neutral about the show. I usually just watch it with my friend who is a long time fan and still enjoys this stuff. Guess ill try to consider the future appearances noncanon for my own comfort idk.
Title might sound intimidating. But don't worry, this video isn't to bash on SMG4, nor is it an actual rant video. Take it as a documentary, analysing the factors for the current state of SMG4, and it's relation with the fans of how they feel about the show.
Oh, and also, please don't comment "If you don't like the show don't watch it". Again, I'm not here to bash on SMG4.
I also want to make another correction here: Ignore the part where I said SMG4 is used "to inspire them to make better shows for their main channel of GLITCH productions". Not very sure why I said that.
I in fact, very much believe that SMG4 is a wonderful show with wonderful ideas, and the workers among the show very much do care about the show.
@@TheAwsumMegarioactually i care about mr puzzle the ending part of puzzlevision is piss me off
It's not smg4 its you and the fandom
@@johncaseres6033 what was that punk
@johncaseres6033 I'm not very sure about the logic behind that. You're saying the reason why smg4 has changed to a newer style of content which does not appeal to older fans, is because of the older fans? That doesn't make any sense.
I really miss when SMG4 was at its peak, multi-coloured Mario’s, the dumb memes. That’s the SMG4 I miss.
I’m pretty sure that the writers on SMG4 are separate from the writers at Glitch.
Thanks for pointing that out: I think what I was meant to say, is that the entire GLITCH team as a whole can look onto the SMG4 channel and take ideas from it.
@@TheAwsumMegario I see what you’re trying to say, but I don't think that excuses the writers on SMG4 to put less effort into their stories than the writers over at Glitch.
@TheKaijuKing54 but ain't that like the meme channel? i honestly don't think the writing has ever been good on a smg4 video, it's stupid nonsense with lore sometimes. i love that.
The biggest problem with current SMG4 is not the inconsistencies, SMG4 had that since forever, it's that the show takes itself seriously now.
Back then, it was a silly comedy show with very random humor, clearly not to be taken so seriously, so who cares if the story and lore didn't make sense ?
But nowadays, the SMG4 series wants to be seen as a serious show, with more serious characters, more serious stories...
And therefore the inconsistencies in writing are a lot more noticeable and damaging to the show, since it's not as random anymore and genuinly wants to introduce good narratives.
Also back then, they used all of their characters in a more balanced way than they do now instead of just constantly focusing on a select few.
Yeah, that's my biggest problem with it. It tries to take itself seriously while also trying to keep the old comedy and they just aren't compatible. You can't have Mario repeatedly getting his head blown off or burning and turning into a skeleton and being fine but then also having someone permanently die after getting stabbed once
@@LilacMonarch EXACTLY. One of my biggest issues with Desti's death. Well outside of that fact that her death is the point when the show started declining in my opinion.
Genuinely
I try to be (in my opinion) like One Piece, "A comedy series with dramatic touches", the problem, that only works outside of UA-cam, where you expect something more serious or dramatic, instead of a meme
@@santiagoguzman142 No, I disagree. Serious SMG4 can work. Mr. Puzzles is a nearly flawless character (though I feel like we might have reached the point where they're not gonna write him so well anymore).
He's funny, but also threatening, but also understandable and, at least to me, relatable. Mr. Puzzles has it all, and they balanced all of these things pretty well..But yeah besides Mr. Puzzles, they didn't do a good job of balancing the serious and funny moments.
As someone who had quitted SMG4 and the majority of the fandom by 2024 because of how everything is a huge mess, I've managed to use my ignoring braincells to actually watched the video.
The first thing I want to note is that the argument "SMG4 is being more disliked by fans" by itself is flawed. How many people actually dislike SMG4, and how many percentage do they take up in the entire fandom? We can't truly know for sure, because silent viewers and lurkers exist besides commenters and content creators. This also applies to r/SMG4: it's thought that it's full of critics, but it's quite likely that people holding such views haven't accounted for the subreddit lurkers, and we don't know how many of them like or dislike the show.
Secondly, SMG4 actually listens (or is capable of listening) to criticisms, which is evident by the re-redesigning announcement back in early 2023. But despite so, I suspect that they only heed them when there are lots of complaints about a particular part of the show; otherwise, they're ignored because of many factors: will they have time for them, is it worth spending a long time to make the show a bit more appealing, etc. Therefore, I believe that critics have little chance to make a considerable impact.
Other than those, I agree with the rest of your video.
The silent majority is still the majority. We can't question that whatever is going on is working with SMG4.
The problem is not SMG4, it’s the fandom. Luke has been trying to make the fandom happy by adding more and more changes, while other people hate on him saying his old videos were better, we have to understand that UA-cam is a bit complicated nowadays, making it difficult to upload, and having 2 channels working at the same time is hard work, so we can’t just expect it to get better in 1 second, SMG4 has good arcs and writing, the problem is how other view it and take it. But everyone has their own opinion right? So we can’t just go and judge hard work.
I agree
Honestly I just think that the SMG4 fandom can't accept change... which kinda sucks
I follow smg4 since 2017 and unlike some I am extremely proud of its evolution and I like its content more and more ❤
Unfortunately life is unfair and some do not want to approve of this development
His haters ruin everything and are everywhere we can't get rid of them just ignore them
Smg4 is perfect, but its fandom is not and it disappoints me and makes me sad
This right here
With the first sentence, skibidi toilet is the same. It's not the creator, it's the fandom
SMG4 always had bad writing, but the difference was they knew it was bad and was meant to be bad.
But then they started to add arcs and "deep lore" in which not only did it alienate the fanbase but also like cmon, we are here for the laughs, not to feel emotional.
Like I fully support them wanting to move on and make new IPs like Metarunner but the fact they leech off and milk the stupid mario franchise especially with their constant OCs is what honestly what killed the channel.
SMG4 should of stayed as a hobby while they focused on their other original projects
Also they started to make or create their OCs to be unlikeable and flat out boring at a certain era. Examples are: Meggy (2021-2023), Melony, Saiko (just my opinion), Axol (Genesis Arc) and Whimpu. It's one of the core reasons why I don't watch SMG4 as much as I used to thanks to them. Mr Puzzles is the only thing that's making the show interesting and exciting nowadays, Everything else is just a burned down, unfunny overusage of meme jokes and the majority of the 'cast' is either erased or flanderized.
Agreed, the only GOOD Arc was the Waluigi one BECAUSE it was silly, Waluigi throwing a fit because he couldn't get in smash was hilarious enough to be Funny yet they only made it serious enough to be Epic and not actually shy from humor
@@endergeo116 don't forget the Rapper Bob arc. it's just as good as the Waluigi arc.
At this point, SMG4 is basically a cow that's been milked dry that the crew are trying to make more milk from. Why not just leave SMG4 to focus on other projects
4:06 Luke literally said that the entire puzzlevision thing was to test some new things out and have fun. The point of it was to be an idea dump. Honestly I don’t see anything wrong with that or anything wrong with the normal episodes either. It shouldn’t be a problem that they are changing the style of their videos.
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bro why can't the writing issues just be a mix of poor writing and laziness (particularly concerning lore and character consistency), why must there be some grand reason behind it like how 'SMG4 is a testing grounds for creating higher quality shows and ideas for GLITCH'. Plus, the SMG4 writing team is clearly separated from GLITCH in terms of the work. Goose, Liam and that guy behind the gaslight district lead and write the GLITCH shows, and seem to have nothing to do with the SMG4 team (they just operate within the same company). I agree with the more minor critiques you have, such as character and lore inconsistencies, but I think your main argument is very flawed imo. There are also some other issues with SMG4 which you don't mention that I think are pretty significant to the quality of the show, like forgotten plot points (i.e. Melony's manga artist career, Meggy's coach job and SMG3's rule over the internet graveyard) which harm consistency and world building/cohesiveness, as well as the serious character appearance problem the show has (Saiko, Melony, Kaizo, SMG1 & 2, Shroomy and many side characters are very underutilised).
I think it would be better in a UA-cam shorts or a community post, because I think this could be the case
I actually forgot about the UA-cam graveyard, I could probably see some of these ideas get expanded when the show grounds gets bigger
Because there is a grand reason why the writing issues are there not just what everyone is saying. The lack of lore acknowledgement comes from the fact it would hop back into a shift of tone or would be out of place in a wacky parody moment which leads why arcs are so rushed or anticlimactic. Character inconsistent comes from the fact they want to focus on that joke it when it can be handled without sacrificing it.
I'm not saying I agree with it just pointing it out there are deeper reasons then just laziness. I guess it could still be considered that but then it would mean something else
I'm just gonna copy-paste this here so I don't have to tell you to refer to the reply of the pinned comment,
"I also want to make another correction here: Ignore the part where I said SMG4 is used "to inspire them to make better shows for their main channel of GLITCH productions". Not very sure why I said that.
I in fact, very much believe that SMG4 is a wonderful show with wonderful ideas, and the workers among the show very much do care about the show."
@@TheAwsumMegario Yeah SMG4 is a good show with good ideas. The problem is how they often tend to rush them. PUZZLEVISION was good, but the climax was anticlimatic and was dragged on with loads of filler. I did like how it wasn't taking itself too seriously like the lawsuit arc
About the puzzlevision saga.. If you look back at it's gotta be perfect, notice the tv on 4's screen when offered the "Magical Keyboard", Mr puzzles has been a problem to the group since smg4 was going insane. It's clear to see it's not just an idea that popped into their head just recently, Mr puzzles is also seen near the end of WOTFI 2023. (Not trying to change your opinion on the series btw.)
not to mention he orchestrated even the events of western spaghetti
@@KaneMarcksNot only that, He seemed to get his hooks back into the cast during Meme Hunters, which would explain SMG4's "OOC" moments.
What is the best way to make the Audience want to support Mr Puzzles taking over? How about rewriting the personality of the Channel's "Face" to make him an obnoxious gobshite?
@@Victor-056I'm really hoping Winston is somehow influencing smg4 in these recent videos and he ISNT just being a prick by his own faults
Welp, it's been a good run, hasn't it? I'm glad I got the opportunity to join you on this adventure, and here's hoping to a bright new future! Good last video!
wait, he quitting?
Not really
@@Mrsellors misinformation 😜
It’s sad because I remember watching older videos at a younger age and I just wished the modern was as good as when they first started, hell, I think the YTP parts of the more classic SMG4 is better.
And I know change isn’t gonna happen, so it’s either accept it or just step away entirely. I don’t see any other way it’ll go
Maybe Mr. Puzzles was right.
"'Cus you're the stupidest show that I've ever seen!" -Mr. Puzzles
nu uh
@@BrianClark-cy5yl yuh uh
lol
“AND IF I CAN MAKE YOU ENTERTAINING I CAN DO ANYTHING “ sincerely, mr puzzles was doing a more entertaining show than smg4 lol poor guy got crushed, so much wasted potencial
@@TheRealNightFall666 he is back because the fans wanted it so yippe!
I think that there is a thing that people really miss about the old smg4 is the low budget side. Think for a moment what the old videos of smg4 looked like. Just sm64 and occasionally gmod gameplay (directly in the game for gmod) green screned in sm64 or gmod Map, and the Characters had outside of stock voices and memes sounds no voice actors. And all of this made smg4's old videos more crazy and nonsensical at eyes ans ear, and i don't mind the abondense of oc's (if they are correctly used) and story arcs, the Real problem of smg4 at the eyes of a lot of people is that now smg4 dosen't look like a stupid show with just a immature kid running it, but now is pretty high quality and sometimes look like it could be in an Glitch serie (btw i don't mind that)
It's a nice jumping quality, but it kinda sucks there isn't much in 64
@@sh2619-v9h Yeah. The Mario 64 usage doesn't inherently mean low-quality or a budget look, it's just a specific style that was iconic to the series (as SMG4 was THE most popular series in that style, there were many by different people before and after him but he's the one that blew up). There are many examples of EXTREMELY HIGH quality Mario 64 machinima that looks gorgeous (obvious example being MJacobBarker but there's plenty of other examples too) and super sleek and clean.
Ngl the low budget side kinda had a nice charm to it
Gonna be that guy: Its "Abundance".
I will dissapear by the morning.
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Series*
Remember when SMG4 was just a big meme?
I remember that because of the first Smj4 fnaf Video i learned my first cuss word suprise mother Trucker (you get it) and I Wen.t out to the playground and iniciontly said it to some teens😂 not knowing what it meant i was like 5 they found it funny it was all good a amazing core memmory
The first FNAF video was what got me into them and I was only 9 or so when I watched it back in late 2014/early 2015, but now, their channel is but a waste of time for me.
My little brother watches it now and it’s super annoying and obnoxious at dinner
Well the thing is people expect a lot out of UA-camrs like him but the amount of effort he already put in his channel is incredible I been watching since he started his whole Mario videos my favorite videos were some of his old ones like “who let the chomp out” or “the grand Mario hotel” he has come a long way and still deserves more for his effort
I liked SMG4 when it was Mario running from Chain Chomps and SLG4 Randomly Chasing SMG4 and stuff and SMG3 was actually evil
For me personally, I don't like the newer SMG4 episodes is because they slowly began to use more screentime for G Mod than screentime for SM64 and I didn't really like the change and I drifted away pretty quickly.
I'd say it's the flanderization of the characters too and the reliance on ones like Meggy. That's not even getting into SMG4 who is now reduced to a narcissistic 'hero' who believes he's morally righteous despite being no better than Puzzles
@@benbarnett5743I really loved the dynamic in the older videos. Mario was an insufferable disaster of a person who 70% of the time is the reason behind the episode's conflict, but he still has all of Mario's amazing abilities, and sometimes fumbled his way into saving the day, even if for selfish reasons.
While SMG4 is the "straight man" who also makes mistakes and can barely keep himself together, but is self-aware unlike Mario.
1:43
The main reason why SMG4 doesn't listen to criticism is because of rant videos like MetalBlade5's, not only are his arguments really basic and popular talking points (in Nostalgia Egg's words) that have been said countless times by others, the guy is also just throwing baseless acusations against the Glitch crew, for example he acuses Lizzie Freeman of being racist when that is not true, but also spews out conspiraties about Luke and Kevin's relationship. All in all, this video is just full of bad faith criticism mixed with some unhiged lies, and given the attention this vid got, many ex-fans started to use this as their base for ranting on modern SMG4.
And even when there are constructive criticism, most of them don't get enough attention, because most of them are made outside of UA-cam, and when they are on UA-cam, most of the ex-fans will go to vids like the MetalBlade5 one, because a good majority of them are 2014 fanboys that don't accept changes.
Now don't get me wrong, I am able to differentiate the ex-fans that are fanboys of the 2014 era and that just want the show to get reversed back to how it was during that year (like Viclis and most of his fanbase), and the ones that actually want the show to improve with the ideas and concepts it has (like SMBD 12, CiblesYT, Yoshifan139 (a guy in the SMG4 wiki discuss group), or you Megario), but here's the thing, the former fanbase is incredibly toxic, and overshadows the latter fanbase, which leads to constructive criticism on UA-cam not getting as much attention as they should.
However, given how much attention some of your SMG4 related videos get, there's maybe a chance that if you make a constructive criticism video of SMG4, it could get enough attention to catch Glitch's eyes and make them listen to you, it already hapened with Dafawfulizer's video, so maybe you can repeat the story and hell, even become the Dabhdude of SMG4. But hey, that's just what I think, you can tell me your own tought on this.
I only started watching SMG4 right before WOTFI 2022, and I think people also like to criticize the series for SMG4 simply not being a recolor anymore. The only time recolors will appear now Is when another remastered64 video comes out. In other words, people will find the smallest things to criticize SMG4 with and make it seem like the show is the worst show to ever exist. Even if they're somehow right, I pretty sure there are worse shows out there.
@@Frostyfella Funny how we started watching SMG4 in the same timespan, I also began watching SMG4 in late 2022, more precisely in December of 2022, and I geniunely enjoyed the show.
I agree that people overreact with the redesigns, and criticising SMG4 with the smallest things, that's exactly what purist do.
There already however were people that complained about SMG4 in 2021, the most notorious one being MetalBlade5.
My main problem with these criticism is that many of them come from nostalgia blinded 2014 era fanboys that grew up with this era and that think this year represents SMG4 as a whole. They don't want the show to improve, they just want to revert it back to how it was in 2014, where everyone were complete idiots, instead of being actual characters, and where the humor was overused, and just a load of random voice clips slapped onto repetitive nonsense.
And the criticism that are not from these fanboys, are completelly overshadowed by the fanboys' criticism. Which means you get terrible to abysmal criticisms that are relevant, and good to great criticisms that are irrelevant.
Get some paragraphs. I ain’t reading a wall of text.
But I do somewhat understand the comment. It’s a shame though.
@@THGMR-ox7sd I just made the comments more paragraphed, so maybe they'll be readable for you. I also agree with you, its really a shame that most of the criticism SMG4 get are in bad faith, and they're often garbage. And worst of all ? The worst criticism often get more attention than the good ones. So yeah, its really a depresing reality we live into.
I started watching it on 2018, and sincerely… it annoys me how other character don’t appear anymore .. like WHY MEGGY (I love meggy but for gods sake ) WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY CHARACTERS LEFT BEHIND, and the potencial wasted (mr puzzles 😭😭😭) is so huge
I think SMG4 went from "funny mario and other characters getting in random predicaments" to "a group of characters and ideas being thrown around to entertain the Glitch team as they're resting after creating an amazing episode of TADC or Murder Drones", of course it's going to lack cohesion or "timbre".
Classic smg4: generic Mario recolour with unfunny and dated jokes
Modern smg4: try’s to take itself seriously when it is a show about stupid Mario. Also dated, unfunny jokes
That’s mostly true, in a way.
Old smg4 didnt have dated jokes they were just seen as less edgy back then
Old smg4 had funny jokes tbh, but they repeated so much the jokes that now.. well
Old SMG4 did have dated jokes, but they were still funny. Modern SMG4 just tries too hard to take itself seriously.
I remember watching SMG4 a lot a few years prior. I’d say the final straw for me was when he began to convert the colored Mario’s into his own models. Something just didn’t seem right about it. Then he also began the conversion to more serious videos, not to forget, some videos would be very cringy.
It’s seems more people are starting to lose interest in him now because of this.
I bellive that thinking it as a Serialized Show would never work. SMG4 is not a traditional show like, Meta Runner, Murder Drones or Digital Circus, with a set beginning and end. it is a YT Channel, that plains to go on indefinitively, world billding would only become a hindrance in the long run. This current "Idea Dump Era" sounds a lot more sutainable and realistic the weekly YT Channel that it is.
Why
I think that's what they're missing, SMG4 isn't an indie show
I feel like smg4 might be held back because of how spread out their priorities are with Glitch.
My only complaint about SMG4 is the whole Mr. Puzzles stuff. He just doesn’t work as a villain.
See i agree with him until the lawsuit arc but starting from the ITS GOTTA BE PERFECT and the whole puzzlevision saga i dont because their doing small writing cus the saga hasnt ended yet the puzzlevision movie was half of the saga because even in smg4's twitter there is one post saying "we will meet again" with the puzzlevision key chain indicating that hes not dead and the saga isnt over we gotta wait until the BIG movie which my guess is wotfi 2024
Yeah, I legit don't get it. With all of the evidence we have, the saga is very clearly NOT over and believing that it is, feels more and more like a misconception of the movie's ending than anything actually concrete.
It just feels weird and absurd that this misconception is still prevalent, when they've made it so extremely clear through posts from the actual channel and from people working on it, that this saga AIN'T OVER.
Then that begs the question: what was the Puzzlevision movie for? Why make us ask all those questions during 2023 just to make nearly all of them irrelevant in Puzzlevision? You could truly not watch anything from 2023 and fully understand the Puzzlevision movie still. The fact all of 2023 is Puzzles making his own shows truly doesn't add anything and, like Megario says, is merely an idea dump. If Mr. Puzzles is a recurring villain, then expect more of these idea dump style movies that really don't tie to a villain and would easily stand on their own if you didn't know better.
@@fozzie_79 Considering that the saga ain't over and the ever increasing likelihood that the movie's ending was a false one, The Puzzlevision Movie is likely a turning point in the saga and what happens next would show that.
Yeah, ultimately having Mr. Puzzles be a Wotfi villain has its own set of problems. We've already got oversatuated with villains being defeated by Wotfis..... which to be honest really sucks.
I think this whole problem is so heated because you have the Mr. Puzzles stans who are clinging onto the character like an idol, then you have those (like me) who already grew tired of the very idea becauae of how long SMG4 dragged this out. I feel like Mr. Puzzles returning is more of a corporate demand by Kevin because he has dollar signs in his eyes. Puzzlevision was ultimately a pointless movie that did nothing but flanderize the characters.
@SteveM7Nexus Then what comes next? Mr. Puzzles already tried to make a 5 star show and failed. Is he gonna do that again? Will he pull a UA-cam Arc SMG3 and create his own Anti-Cast? Will he get real actors instead to get the 5 stars? At that point, you make all of the saga to this point irrelevant since he gains creative control of real life. Why use the objectively stupid cast at all? And no, his arrogance thinking he can do anything makes no sense if he has control of reality by the end anyway. Who cares how you get to 5 stars so long as you do? Puzzles preached how patience is stupid yet he chose the hardest path to success.
I have yet to see any reason as to how this is actually a turning point. People say it is, yet there is no logical reason for it to be besides the fans wanting him back or, as I said, it is to create more idea dump movies rather than a cohesive story and universe.
Tbh it's pretty cool seeing that the videos have been increased in quality, but I will have to agree that the quality of videos increasing is possibly at the cost of what made the series great in the first place. It's not bad to have high quality videos, but what if being high quality, which is usually supposed to be great, turns out to not be as great. Smg4 in a way became an example of when low quality content is somehow better than high quality content
I believe that they did bad writing on purpose. most of the bad writing came with the puzzlevision arc, in which Mr. Puzzles influenced the narrative by quite a bit, and his shows were hilariously bad on purpose.
Since i quit watching smg4 because pf boredom like a year ago i didn't even realized smg4 was even hated
The callback to your very first video was nice to see.
Remember back then when we had super Mario 64 bloopers? Good times am I right?
7:52 It’s basically half-true, Not all of the hate is from a bunch of Classic Smg4 Purists (Mostly the 2014-2016 ones) There is actually a good reason to hate the current state of the series nowadays.
The problem is that everyone wants a writing style similar to gnr back, when that's exactly what they're trying to run away from. Because they've changed for the better of their channel and for themselves. I wonder if they hate that older content with slurs and offensive shit, but just can't afford to delete it
9:21 It's me, I like that the PuzzleVision arc was laid back and all, Like, I'm glad that it didn't try to take itself too seriously, but I feel like you could still add character development, To me, it just feels like some of the characters are just sitting around waiting for something to happen, I think it's nice seeing SMG4 and his crew more happy and trying out new formats, I feel like you could still tell a simple story, but have it still have an impact on your channel
I do wish that sometimes Smg4 could make more darker/suspense story episodes to really get the viewers on their seats.
The only problem I think it really has is that they don’t shine much on the other characters like Tari, meggy, Bob or the others anymore like they used to… that was just Mario Mario, Mario, Mario, Mario… but at the same time I get it I mean they have their own animation studio now so they can’t always be there for SMG4 it’s just kind of like an after saw now kind of like the Mickey and friends group of glitch pretty much
So what I’m trying to say is that glitch production shows are like the special features… and SMG4 are like the Mickey and friends cartoons if that makes sense
I feel like I only liked SMG4 until 2016 because the old bloopers felt special. My theory is that they weren't directed at massive audiences but for the machinimists community and people who liked Mario parodies.
I stopped watching SMG4 even before the arcs thing happened because it stopped feeling familiar to me. SMG4 was looking towards a more general public and that morphed his identity into something I stopped feeling good with a long time ago.
TLDR: Old SMG4 videos may have had quality issues but at least they didn't include memes that I must have already seen 17 times that day and that's because it was for a UA-cam that no longer exists today
Easy: The comedy.
Wont pretend old was peak comedy, but I found myself actually being at least endeared in comparison to now where I just kinda feel... nothing.
Brainrot humor just... doesnt work for me (except for le Deer anime baby, although thats likely due to less skibidi lingo)
And this... is just more painful than funny.
Also as well, the arcs just dont hit the same as the Waluigi arc. Whole lotta misses since they killed Desti and effectively broke the respawn canon that was established up to then.
I dont think much can save this for OG fans, SMG4 is in too deep. So they must march with their new pug fanbase.
I agree with you on most of your points
Meme❌
boring character arcs that try to make you sad ✅
Goofy bad writing on purpose ❌
Serious writing trying to be good✅
SM64 ❌
Gmod✅
My belief is that glitch doesn't care about smg4's quality and instead they just produce content to fund the other shows
FM said that this not true at all
It's too bad that Luke couldn't take proper criticism thanks to MetalBlade5, as well as Classic Purist (Mostly the 2014-2017 Purist) for overshadowing it with their BS. They should leave for good, and the series should improved instead.
Blaming metalblade5 and purists is insane, they are NOT the reason they dont take criticism
@@slenderblakchannelDarkNess How about you tell that to Nostalgia Egg.
All I wanted was for them to properly write Mr puzzels, is that too much to ask
That's so sad bro... like a teenager boy myself I can say what for me smg4 began to die when smg4 stopped being smg4 to convert the villager of animal crossing n Smg3 passed of being Smg3 stopped of being Smg3 to convert in Mister Beast n act like a anime girl, or when I saw the video of "smg4 don't meme for one second"...
not being rude or anything but your picture in the video at 1:05 is literally based of of his current oc
@@saunter-music A fair few of us UA-camrs surrounding SMG4 content have this type of SMG4/Mario recolour OC. Another bigger SMG4 UA-camr, Machroma (18K subs), has a recoloured SMG4 as his OC.
@@TheAwsumMegario oh damn i didnt realise that
2:41 If that we’re the case then they should either end the show or have someone take over (Maybe Nostalgia Egg? but I doubt it)
Agreed bro, as a smg4 veteran, he really fell off...
Personally, I largely stopped watching SMG4 videos a couple years ago (not completely) probably because I've grown away from it but maybe I may rewatch 'em and also think more about classic and modern SMG4.
Everyone likes the puzzlevision arc
I feel like SMG4/Glitch is becoming the next disney-type company..........
My biggest problem with SMG4 is character development constantly getting reset back to 0
There is only one problem
Fandom cannot handle changes and blames Luke and tells everyone that it is worse than Velma and Knuckles
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Its less "cant handle changes" and more "dislikes the change and the effect it had on their enjoyment".
Change =/= Good by default. It can be good to change, but that doesnt mean its automatically a good change, as it can be good or bad.
bro I remember watching his videos when I was like 9 years old. I can’t believe how much the channel has fallen.
I've seen someone compare recent SMG4 with TTG and I can see the similarities. The SMG4 are the main characters yet they barely act like heroes outside of arcs. The only difference is that TTG has a reason for lack of continuity because it's meant to be a comedy show. TTG isn't supposed to take itself seriously. You don't see people complaining about TTG's lack of continuity because the show isn't meant to be taken seriously. SMG4, on the other hand, is meant to be a drama action series and yet it has no continuity. I'd say the problem with SMG4 as of now is that the show has style over substance type of writing. It feels like the arcs are only done to attract older audiences.
Another problem is the reliance on memes. Not only does this make the show dated, but it's a problem when you constantly rely on it. It's ironic how SMG4 (the character) is basically becoming the one channel type he hated. I really hate how they butchered the characters. SMG4 went from a genuinely nice and selfless guy to a control freak who acts more like a cult leader. (I have a headcanon that Mr Puzzles probably kidnapped the real SMG4 crew long ago during the Cosmology Saga which explains their flanderization)
Your critique on SMG4's character is the same critique I have with Robin from TTG
Once was a nice and good leader then goes to a complete bully and control freak (But then again the whole crew bullies Robin in TTG, so he's also a victim)
@@daniboy4153 At least TTG Robin has a bit of reason for why he acts the way he does (He was bullied by the other titans as you said, so it does give Robin some justification for his behavior). SMG4 doesn't have the same justification
@@daniboy4153 You said it. TTG Robin HAS some backstory that slightly justifies his control freak behavior. It doesn't entirely justify Robin's behavior to them, but it does give him some degree of sympathy
@@daniboy4153 That's the thing. With Robin, at least he HAS something that explains his behavior. It doesn't entirely justify Robin's behavior, but it makes him sympathetic. SMG4 has no excuse for his behavior and the show expects us to see him as some "hero"
@@daniboy4153 You know, that gave me an idea of a dark AU SMG4 fanfic that follows the downfall of the titular protagonist into villainy. Basically, the AU would follow a supposed deleted scene of the episode "I Put Mario In Danger for Views" where SMG4 puts his crew in a challenge that never made it into the episode. Said challenge being a tightrope walk over a pool of lava. This time, the crew would speak out against SMG4 who just blows off their concerns. Things take a dark turn when SMG4 reveals that he only sees the crew as money makers and his friends call him out. SMG4 responds by smacking them, prompting them to leave, but SMG4 isn't done with them...
This would be an excellent deconstruction of some of the complaints people had with modern SMG4.
Also, SMG4 doesn't take fan-requested videos and suggestions (besides WOTFI), so we can't expect what we want as his "fanbase."
Smg4 was better as a random comedy show than whatever it is now. The character’s redesigns are atrocious, and with it, the quality just plummeted.
I haven't watched the video yet, but I wanted to give my two cents on something that personally bothers me about SMG4. Specifically how once Melony's "arc" with SMG0 and all that stuff was done, she was thrust into the background and hasn't really made any serious appearances since. She could've been a great help in so much stuff since then, but they never let her do anything since they wrote her to be so overpowered that having her even be around removes most of the tension from any kind of stressful situation the characters find themselves in. Idk, it bothers me. It's like they finished what they wanted to do with her and then went "Fuck you." and removed her from the show.
It kinda sucks
They basically did the same thing with meggy after the meggy's destiny movie except they kept her in to basically be more dialogue
I see where the video is going, but i think the medium for SMG4 has changed too, Nintendo did a shadowban on most of GMOD assets. Now, we have nothing, so they have to move to other sources to provide with the videos.
Nintendo just loves taking away everything that was so great because copyright is to much of a problem these days
I personaly think that smg4 took such a massive hit in 2022 that it's like season seven of spongebob it was so bad that it made people hate the show and it didn't really matter how good it was aftter that the lawsuit arc was stupid and dumb it bascly was the compleat opposite of modern and older smg4 i mean look at wofti 2021 and puzzlevision
WOTFI 2021 and the Genesis Arc was the real start of the downfall I feel because they completely changed the entire SMG4 canon and I did not enjoy that.
@@LiamDeege i personnaly really liked it in 2021 BUT WOFTI 2022 had the worst villan worst concept and worst biuldup it was so bad that people stopped waching at all why do you thibk he did so much rework in 2024 and 2023?
@@liotheeeveetrainer4305 I just didn't like how all of a sudden, they are "Super Meme Guardians" and the canon gets changed entirely and personally this is the reason SMG4 started dying for most fans. As of October I no longer watch them for good as the WOTFI was a complete waste of time and I hated the concept, SMG3 is also one of the most overused characters and I liked him before the aftermath of the UA-cam arc.
@@LiamDeege yea i can defentilly understand that thoes are the reasons that i hate 2022 it was all over the place and it was a stupid story told in a stupid way
@@LiamDeege not to mention how they killed meggy's charcter now she is bascly Amy from sonic but worse she is cruel uncaring and overall act like a whiny baby karen to mario for NO RESON
I find it ironic how SMG4 is still enjoyed and respected by people despite the seasonal rot as well as the flanderization of the characters and the similarities and differences of the modern videos compared to the old videos, and the fact that Luke seems to have a well respected community even though he’s not exactly perfect with his work, and the channel isn’t as good as it was before. But when it comes to SML, it’s filled to the brim with toxicity, ungratefulness, and a huge community filled with drama, historical events, and eras all over the place, and on top of that, Logan Thirtyacre, the creator of SML, is constantly hated on for his work and is always gets so much criticism.
I think smg4 is doing perfectly fine atm, I’ve been a fan since 2019-2020 and believe they’ve actually improved and still believe they will improve more and more
Plus I mean they do an episode a week which leaves little time to write so for the time they have they do some pretty good writing, I wanna see you write good scripting every week for a 10 minute episode and not make some mistakes before you criticize them
@@EDoty-mn6xy Yeah. You make an insanely valid point. From personal experience, writing can be a pain to get through along with the revisions and edits. Especially with such a small deadline.
I would prefer to have a video every 2 weeks or more then the way it is right now actually
Also I don’t want to be rude, but why do you get so annoyed over a simple opinion lol
@@TheRealNightFall666 In all honesty, I don't blame them.
Having so much negative criticism/rants can be really annoying at times. Especially in this case with SMG4, where it does nothing to actually help and just festers more unnecessary hate. It's basically the result of having too much Negative Criticism and not enough Constructive Criticism (at least in terms of visibility).
This is gonna be my rant / explanation of why i think it's gone dowhill.
1: Ever since the Lawsuit Arc almost all the Nintendo characters are gone which lost a bunch of the OG fans.
2: SMG4 is the testing ground for GLITCH. The puzzlevison arc is just TADC. SMG4 is where Glutch tests their ideas before they became complete ideas
3: they've formatted SMG4 into a TV show instead of what it was originally.
4: My personal favorites time period for SMG4 is season 7 - 12.
I genuinely think that SML getting sued screwed over SMG4 and forced it into a non-nintendo show
And that some characters like saiko are just gone from the smg4 gang for no reason too
I think that this video was actually pretty well made and had some good points :0
Many people disagree which is unfortunate
Especially those classic purists who will be disappointed that their talking points are not in this video.
Seriously dude, You forgot to mention that this video isn’t intended to encourage those Pre-2017 Purist to post comments like the girls ruined SMG4, or SMG4 was meant to be a Parody Channel.
What people don't understand is that SMG4 wants to raise in quality and be more original. They're not gonna stay the same forever. Things are gonna have to change.
I guess the fan base as a whole (or maybe it’s the subreddit, idk) is either stuck in the past and think the show should stay as it were (if they really want more SM64 machinima content, either look at OnyxKing, AlexSpider or Weegeepie, it’s not that hard to look at someone else who does similar content that gives you what you want to see), or they can’t accept change despite the fact change is inevitable, and if SMG4 stayed as ‘silly meme show with Mario and Blue Mario go on wacky adventures and beat up purple and Black Mario from fraudulent content creation’ Luke is eventually gonna get demonetised by Nintendo for copyright infringement, and Luke and Kevin would probably be unsatisfied with the current state of the show and wanna do something different, hence the story arcs, the movie’s (I always look forward to a SMG4 movie as it fills in that gap while I’m impatiently waiting for Sonic the Hedgehog 3 to come out) the saga’s, and some of the characters getting professional voice actors for voice acting, at first only for a few lines, or for important story beats in arcs and movies, to full on voice acting. Luke and Kevin want to be more creative and original, and in my honest opinion, they’re doing a great job at it.
@MKF543 I mean they changed the models in order to avoid getting a potential DMCA but it’s unlikely that would happen regardless since parody law is different than it is in America from what I’ve heard in the past, but also not everyone has the same appeal as to what they want in videos which is understandable and that’s why I also quit watching them 8 months ago or so
@TheAwsumMegario
add in now that characters like saiko, tari, melony and many more fan favorites are now reduced to be side characters and im not surprised overtime people are getting frustrated with that
I know youre just discussing the smg4 problems but i still love smg4 and it justs so sad how many people are hating smg4 when hes just trying to make the videos better and people are hating luke, kevins and other smg4 helpers hard work it just makes me feel so sad
Honestly Smg4 is ironically TOO serious now, In a funny way the problem is he's trying to erase Any bits of Mario from his content such as the name from From Supermarioglitchy4 being turned into Super Meme Guardian, honestly i didn't need the explanation for why everyone is insane or stupid bit now that it's there it made the series a bit more difficult to enjoy.
The Entire SMG4 Series Needs Some Major Improvements They Hasn't Been Same Since Late 2022 With A Lot of Poor Personality of Each Character.
smg4 is a different show than what it started as, there are many that miss the old smg4, me included, but youtube is sadly much stricter than back then, plus every episode is on such tight schedule, so it is nearly impossible to make one that stands out or reaches the quality of the original. I ve got to say, in terms of production, the new smg4 is unbelievable, pumping out episodes every other week, but that has only caused more headache rather than satisfaction, i quit smg4 2 years ago because of excessive episode dose and the lack of amusement it gave me, but sadly smg4 is really just another kids channel now, and by constantly pumping out content for the kiddies they make their money to pay all of their workers and fund the glitch shows. In the end though, smg4 still has potential to return to their roots and maybe spice up the writing and the jokes, but as long as the child demographic is what funds the channel, and the episode schedule is that tight, i dont think it may come back any time soon.
Yeah I used to watch them on and off from 2015 or so to October last year and I’m happy I finally left them behind. Everything becoming too original, anime being heavily inspired, SMG3 getting overused, the canon changing completely thanks to the genesis arc, and Nintendo elements being written out left and right
I honestly, i think the problem is theres not enough "mario" anymore they are focusing on oc's instead of the whole point mario, mario is the funny part i remember watching mario gets milk or marios ***** is stuck in the door and i think the new castle kinda ruined it
I still think it's great. But I do miss the older style of his. But atleast he's doing what loves and is entertaining the masses through great content. SMG4 was and always will be one of the kings of youtube
I like both contenr the modern and the old.
In my opinion,their both good. Sometimes, i watch the old and sometimes i watch the modern and hes there is a huge difference between them but it shows how luke is trying to improve. Luke has grown up and he is not the same anymore. People change. As he grew more his humor changed. Yes he is not the same anymore but still he tries to make his fans happy and he DOES listen to the criticism like when he was getting hate for the new redesigns in early 2023.He changed it and made it much better. One problem is the fanbase of the community. It is slowly getting worse. They dont appreciate luke for what hes doing. Hes trying to improve but smg4 does lack some things and has overused characters but it isnt overall bad i like it. People can see how much his videos have changed and another thing i wanted to point out were the "Old" fans. I have seen a lot of them. The problem with them is that they go around smg4's videos or some comment that likes smg4 and just comment saying "Omggg! Modern smg4 sucks old better+no one cares+your opinion doesn't matter and luke sucks he isn't even funny anymore" i may agree that he is not as much funny as he was back in the day but nowadays he is focusing more on lore and storylines on his channels.
(Will continue sorry if its big 😭)
You do make a lot of good points, but I feel like the reason the shows been a bit all over the place, especially since western spaghetti and the it’s gotta be perfect arc, is because it’s building to something in the future… Mr. puzzles changed a LOT of the status quo in the show in a pretty drawn out amount of time, and his entire plan seemed to revolve around making random shows. Heck he even makes a point of quoting in his song about how stupid he finds the SMG4 show to be. So it’s likely that he may have screwed up a LOT of things, maybe even including the continuity of the show itself… which if that’s the case, that would’ve a pretty insane twist. Plus now that he’s made a return thanks to popular fan demand, (though I’m sure his return was planned well in advance), I feel all that’s happened is heavily building to something in the future… but I guess we shall find out what they have in store, and wether it will be good or not!
newer episodes feel so different
I personally think that people are so used to the old smg4 that their not used to a thing called "change". Smg4 wanted to go for something more modern and original. I personally love his videos and have been a fan for years now, and I love the changes. I think the episodes today are interesting and cool, even the animations, I also think that the arcs are very cool, even the songs in WOTFI are a bop, some people are just stuck in the past.
The thing I don’t like about smg4 was he used to make funny skits back in the days now it’s just stories with just Mario if he wanted to do that it shouldn’t be Nintendo related
I used to watch his videos ALL the time. Up until the 202ps hit. Because then I saw the quality falter. Nowadays, I barely even try watching. It just feels... too kiddy for me.
I had tried re-watching SMG4, but I just felt left with the story arcs.
I mean, I see what Luke [Team] is doing, but to have it from left to right on how SMG4 is that just forced it to be a little chaotic.
If I say so myself.. for people who say, I hate him, that's not true. I like what he is doing but, it's just fell off for me since 2019-2020.
The problem is the recent writing. Before the Puzzlevision arc, characters were entering the realm of consistent. No one was a douche to each other, stories were written well, and the overarching story had been building up to something big. But as soon as Zamnation came, it kinda messed up with the tone of the show. Now, SMG4 was back to being a crazy addict desperate for views, Tari went from growing from a shy, but strong ally, to a shriveling mess, Meggy and most of the other characters are now background noise, and Mr. Puzzles, the antagonist built up to be scarier then Niles, and a very dangerous threat, was then turned into a bumbling moron who can barley do anything right. I really do like SMG4’s newer content compared to the old stuff, I like how the redesigns look, I like Mr. Puzzles, but this show fell apart due to the inconsistent tone.
It also doesn’t help that characters that were introduced literally an episode ago meant nothing in the end. Remember Lui, or Clench? You probably don’t due to them not doing anything after they appeared. The best Lui did was help SMG4 understand why Marty was angry, and Clench…, was there to help make Tari stronger, I guess? But after that, nothing.
That’s pretty much sums up the same issues I’ve been having with SMG4 as of late. Not to mention the PuzzleVision episodes feel like undercooked parodies that don’t really add much to the SMG4 storyline. I also don’t like how Meggy has been reduced to a short angry person joke, especially with the annoying Leggy gag.
@@danwilliams1989 The problem is, this show has been shown to do good. The previous Puzzlevision arcs, Meggy’s new fixes, Creative Control, the voice acting, the animation, etc. It can be good, but it feels like they’re often limited in what they can and can’t use for a story. And as for the Puzzlevision videos being undercooked parodies, yeah. While they’re still fun, they definitely show they had no idea what to fully do with Mr. Puzzles. I feel like it should’ve been a countdown to a movie with the cards on the banner, where Mr. Puzzles puts SMG4’s friends in a Danganronpa styled event, and kept his calm and sadistic manner, and maybe even kept that tv filter had at the end of WOTFI 2023, anyone remember when his voice was echoy? I do, and I want that back. Oh well, it is what it is.
I'm just going to throw in my two cents but I am starting to think with all of the character inconsistencies, lore building, lack of other characters like Saiko and Shroomy getting screentime and with how rushed the Puzzlevision movie was I think SMG4 (the show itself) should have a long extended vacation so that way Luke can recharge and when the show comes back he and his writing team can have a fresh approach with the show like make Mario less of a manchild and more or less like how he was portrayed in Stupid Mario Wonder, have Meggy be less cranky for the sake of humor, make episodes with different dynamics like maybe an episode where Karen teaches Bowser how to be a good parent, Meggy and FM having an adventure between old school fighter and new school fighter and maybe an episode where SMG3 interacts with his old Snitch Gang.
Or maybe just reboot the series because it's clear the series is just spewing out ideas for the sake of it. Maybe have the reboot be more lighter and softer with more emphasis on action than drama. It wouldn't be a bad idea for Luke to take a break from the SMG4 series. Sadly I don't think the show will take a break since it brings them so much money.
I thought of an arc that kinda addresses those ideas. Here is the premise for it.
Redemption arc:
I have an idea for an arc that kinda touches those critiques. The crew stop another eldritch abomination, but are met with scorn from the citizens for destroying the city. This results in SMG4 and crew getting into a talk with the mayor of the mushroom kingdom. He berates the crew for recklessly destroying the city in their battle and believes that they never seem to learn their lessons. Meggy tries to remind the mayor about the times SMG4 saved the world and that sometimes you gotta break the eggs when saving the day, but the mayor reminds them that saving the day isn't a job, but a duty that should be handled by heroes who take said duty seriously. So the mayor announces that he will send the crew to the onion mines... that is unless they reach an agreement. SMG4 asks what the agreement is and the mayor explains that the terms are simple. SMG4 and his crew give up their weapons, powers, and lifestyle to live a normal life, retiring from their adventurous lifestyle. SMG3 interjects, saying the mayor can't do that, but the mayor reminds them that he will send them to the onion mines if they say no. Left with no choice, SMG4 and his crew reluctantly accept and go through a medical process that removes them of their powers and allow the president to confiscate their weapons.
A year passes by since the SMG4 crew retired and nothing big has happened. Most of the glitchy crew are enjoying the simple and fun lifestyle of 'normal' people, but Meggy and SMG4 openly express boredom. There have been no eldritch horrors or insane lunatics in a while that Meggy is just asking for something to happen. In an undisclosed lair, a mysterious figure gets word of the SMG4 crew retiring and uses this as a chance to show the mushroom kingdom that a new evil has arrived in the form of the Cobra Clan. This calls for the SMG4 crew to save the day again, but not only will this be a challenge without their powers, but what also makes this a challenge is that Killer Cobra is able to make backup plans that the crew never discover.
This arc is inspired by the 2008 Dark Knight film and intends to deconstruct the SMG4 series. It's meant to ask how the SMG4 crew would be in a more realistic setting and you can see the outcomes. SMG4 and his crew are treated like outsiders and completely distrusted by the public due to the unintentional destruction they cause from the arcs they go on.
Let's go over the arc villain I made called Killer Cobra. He's a bomb throwing anarchist who serves as the leader of the enigmatic Cobra Clan with the desire of overthrowing the kingdom into chaos. Unlike the other arc villains, he isn't an eldritch horror or a superpowered entity, but a normal human with nothing but his resources. What Killer Cobra lacks in superpowers, he makes up for with his intelligence and ruthless nature. He not only creates backup plans with the resources at his disposal, but he knows a lot about the crew and uses their powers against them. Killer Cobra is also a pragmatist, avoiding tons of villain cliches and relying on dirty tactics to defeat the crew. What's truly dangerous about Killer Cobra is his manipulative nature as he knows how to mess with his foes psychological states. He orders his minions to kill numerous toads just as Peach escapes the pit, using this as a way to drive Peach to kill the SMG4 crew with him.
As for Killer Cobra's Freudian excuse and backstory... well... he doesn't have anything. He goes as far as to mock the idea of a Freudian excuse to SMG4 and his crew as he tells them multiple backstories that contradict with each other. Killer Cobra doesn't have any start of darkness, real name, backstory, or anything for that matter. He just shows up to wreak havoc, but I intentionally did this to make him scarier and offer a new threat to the crew. The SMG4 crew have dealt with many villains, but most of the ones they fought before had something of a clear motive. This time, they're facing a villain they know nothing about alongside one with no clear motive. Killer Cobra isn't motivated by greed, pride, lust, envy, or anything reasonable. He's just evil because he enjoys it.
My idea behind Killer Cobra is offering an actual pure evil villain in the series alongside a realistic villain. Killer Cobra doesn't have any excuse for his actions and devoid of redeeming qualities, going as far as to mock the crew for believing in redemption. On top of that, what makes Killer Cobra stand out is the fact that his villainy is basically played in a more realistic manner with little supernatural elements to it as he commits destruction wherever he goes. He's basically meant to show that sometimes the real monsters aren't always eldritch or supernatural. On top of that, Killer Cobra also manages to escape arrest at the end with no traces of where he could've gone off to.
Obviously, Killer Cobra's character is inspired by Heath Ledger's Joker (Both are enigmatic men of unknown origins, provide contradicting backstories, and corrupt a specific individual to further their goals [Peach in the case of Killer Cobra and Harvey Dent in the case of Joker]). Although, unlike the Joker, Killer Cobra is far more stoic in nature and rarely raises his voice at all (Kinda think Anton from No Country From Old Men or SATAM Robotnik with the Joker's usage of dark comedy).
Peach's role is basically Harvey Dent in that she ends up being driven mad by Killer Cobra to the point that she targets the SMG4 crew before being put out of her misery.
What do you think of this idea? I kinda wanted to see an arc where the characters lose for once to subvert the whole "good guys always win" tropes in the arcs. It's also my idea of the show actually acknowledging the arcs that came beforehand. I'm welcome to any thoughts and critiques
Here's a script for this arc idea too:
(The SMG4 crew manage to stop another eldritch abomination, unaware of the destruction they unintentionally caused)
SMG4: No need to thank us! Just another day in the life of me and my crew! Your rewards are all we need!
(Suddenly, someone throws a rock at SMG4, earning the ire of Meggy)
Meggy: Alright, who threw that?!
Koopa: It was me! Look at what your "heroics" did! Half of the city is destroyed!
Meggy: Hello, we saved the city! You're welcome!
Koopa: Uh, that monster was after you guys!
Heavy: I bet the day wouldn't need saving if you and your crew weren't around!
Goomba: Yeah! SMG-Freak!
(The rest of the citizens just walk off while saying negative things about the SMG4 crew who can only look down in sadness)
Mario: Well, at least it can't get any worse!
(An intercom is heard as the mayor makes an announcement)
Mayor: Would the SMG4 crew be kind enough to report to what's LEFT of the White House please?
(The crew walk over to the white house as SMG4 knocks on the door)
Mayor: Who is it?
SMG4: It's me SMG4.
SMG3: And his friends.
Mayor: Please come in.
(The crew all walk in to see an angry mayor looking down at them)
Melony: You wanted to see us?
Mayor: Yes, I wanted to have a little chat with you all?
SMG4: You mean about how you want to show us your gratitude?
Mayor: (twitches) Gratitude? GRATITUDE?! LOOK AT WHAT YOU HOOLIGANS DID TO MY CITY! THIS IS THE SEVENTH ELDRITCH HORROR WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS WEEK BECAUSE OF YOUR RECKLESSNESS! YOU THINK I WANT TO SHOW YOU ALL GRATITUDE?!
SMG3: Come on, if it weren't for us, this world wouldn't even be standing! Besides, you're rich so you can fix these damages! It's just a stupid city!
Mayor: (Grits his teeth in anger) JUST A... STUPID... CITY?! DO YOU PUNKS HAVE ANY IDEA HOW ANNOYING IT IS TO CONSTANTLY REPAIR THE CITY WEEK AFTER WEEK IN THE AFTERMATH OF AN ELDRITCH HORROR ATTACK?! YOU THINK I HAVE INFINITE MONEY TO REPAIR THE CITY?! OR DO YOU ALL THINK SOME FAIRY GODMOTHER WILL APPEAR AND USE HER MAGIC WAND TO REPAIR MY CITY!
Melony: Sorry, we'll be more careful next time and we do take care of the villains that appear!
Mayor: Yes, but at the same time, studies show how you all are also responsible for said villains. Lawyer Kong, directly tied back to Meggy. Mr Puzzles, tied back to all of you. Zero, tied back to Bob right there! We've had a 30% rise in criminal activity, a 40% increase in unemployment, and don't get me started on the cosmic horror attacks! It's clear you freaks don't take responsibility for your actions and, whenever they do happen, you all are quick to blame the avatar Mario! Did you all forget we wouldn't be here without him?!
Tari: Ok, so we're slightly dysfunctional, but we still care for each other and save the day!
Meggy: And while we cause destruction, we still save the day in style. It's like that old saying, sometimes you gotta break the eggs while saving the day!
Mayor: Well, a real hero knows that it's their duty to protect the eggs! This brings me to my next issue with you freaks. You all clearly see heroics as a game or a way of showing off. SMG4 and crew, you all should know that heroics isn't a game. It's a duty! A duty that comes with great responsibility! Responsibilities that should be handled by heroes who take said duty seriously. Not by a bunch of dysfunctional freaks!
SMG4: We'll be more careful next time! We promise!
Mayor: Sorry, but I'm gonna have to send you all to the onion mines...
(All of the crew begin screaming upon hearing that)
Mayor: Unless we reach an agreement.
(The glitchy crew all stop screaming)
SMG4: What's are the terms?
Mayor: Simple. You and your crew surrender your powers, weapons, and lifestyle to live a normal life away from heroics.
Meggy: You can't do that! We enjoy our lifestyle!
Mayor: As mayor of this city, I sure as heck can do it! So do you all agree or not?
SMG4: Never!
Mayor: Fine, but remember, you all will be sent to the onion mines...
(At that point, realizing they have no choice, the SMG4 crew accept and undergo a procedure that drains them of their powers)
(A year passes and we cut back to the showgrounds. Surprisingly, there have been no eldritch horrors or lunatics in a while. The SMG4 crew don't mind this new lifestyle as they can finally relax. However, we see that Meggy, 4, 3, and Mario are openly bored)
Meggy: I can't believe this! We constantly go out of our way to save the city and the president just chooses to strip us of our heroics because we unintentionally cause destruction!
SMG3: Exactly! Did he forget that if it weren't for us, this world would probably not be standing?
SMG4: I just wish the citizens could at least treat us like real people and not freaks.
@@benbarnett5743 Unfortunately yeah while this seasons had it's ups unfortunately after the Celeste situation happened a lot of cracks are starting to show and there is a noticeable downgrade in terms of plot, character and world building. I think Luke and his team should do what Markiplier does when he feels like the channel starts feeling like a chore and that's take a decent lengthy hiatus until they can have a fresh approach and know what they want. While SMG4 does make money Glitch itself seems to make more considering it has more subs then SMG4 does and with how much of a boom the Amazing Digital Circus has become SMG4 should be able to afford a lengthy hiatus until Luke and his team can clean up all of the unnecessary character quirks (SMG4 being like Mario and Meggy being overly cranky) and explain unexplained stuff like the boarded up door, Peaches status and Clench. In my opinion they can still do drama/dark arcs but they should find away keep the arc/story consistent and well structured.
@@claytontessmer3566 Yeah, I wouldn't be against that idea of giving SMG4 a long hiatus. Season 13 was a good season, but I noticed how season 14 has once again been a downgrade. At this point, Luke and Kevin should probably just either reboot SMG4 or just take a hiatus from it.
That is indeed a big problem is how the show nowadays barely touches upon the aftermath of each arc (in an unmade arc, there were plans to touch upon the Lawsuit Arc but it got scrapped). It feels like SMG4 is becoming the new TTG at this point. Although, in the case of Teen Titans Go, I don't mind it's usage of negative continuity since TTG is meant to be a comedy show with low stakes. Lack of continuity is a problem with SMG4 because it is meant to be an actual serious show with lore, but it ignores that rule.
That's my idea for the Redemption arc in a way. It's meant to showcase the crew's flaws of barely learning or developing from the arcs which results in them being seen as freaks/outsiders to the public. I always did wonder how the crew would be treated in a more realistic setting where the arcs are known to the public.
As for Peach's status, I have an idea for her in the Redemption arc. Basically, Killer Cobra has his minions all the toads in front of her once she is returned to normal. This would then result in Killer Cobra persuading her to undergo a face heel turn, reminding her about how the SMG4 crew abandoned her. Peach would then become a deranged psychopath who wants to murder anyone involved in the murder of her kingdom, not realizing that Killer Cobra did it. You can see that this aspect is inspired by the Joker and Harvey Dent from the Dark Knight.
Another thing the crew should do is maybe not give their next villains origin stories to keep them that much more terrifying.
For me I kinda fell off because of the lack of proper continuity and also side characters only being there for skits now…Yk it kinda feels like characters like peach,Chris and swag don’t really interact with the main cast as much as they used too or even get episodes to themselves anymore now it’s just kinda Mario,smg4,meggy,smg3, and sometimes bob. Also I loved arcs such as the genesis and revolutions arc so walking back on the lore and such in the law suit arc and also all the sudden change idk feels like whiplash and a waste of my time since I’m no longer invested in the world they wanted to build. I know it’s not a popular opinion but just to the ppl who hate gag comedy and dark story telling I recommend reading the Archie sonic the hedgehog comics because they do exactly that and some of the arcs in those comics do a perfect job at balancing comedy and dark story arcs.
i think smg4 fell of when the new characters showed up.
Good days were just smg4 mario toad bob boopkins luigi
Shit can only change based what creators "think." Remember this SMG4 is writing the show not us and we have no right to ruin probably tens of hours of work for one video.
Honestly I’m just surprised that SMG4 hasn’t been copyrighted by Nintendo for still using their characters in their videos. I expected them to get the same cease and desist treatment just like what happened to Logan and his channel. Why haven’t they been copyright strike yet? Is it due to them being Australian? Is it due to SMG4 using more of their original characters than Nintendo ones? Who knows. 🦅
Respectfully
The ocs (Meggy, Tari, Saiko, melony, karen.) of the smg4 series are unique in their own characteristic ways but they shouldn’t be involved in a series where every episode is just comedically and chaotically dumb and silly where the settings have sm64/gmod backgrounds, they should just stay in their own series of glitch productions like with Tari and her meta runner series.
As for the story arcs they are really good written but for one i don’t think they should be canon towards the smg4 series and should just be fanon like dragon ball gt and the movies (though the only parts of the arc I considered to be canon is from the genesis arc where we get to see lore of smg4 and how everything turn out the way it be, but as the for some other arcs they shouldn’t be canon wise to me if you get the point). And two the arcs are more serious and emotional trainwreck which isn’t too bad but in a comedy series where mario is dumb and curse it just feels weird. To fit the classic charm of smg4 the arcs should be more unserious and just chaotically wacky like the realistic undertale series. Infact the arcs should have its own channel and not mash in a series where mario or the characters have the most randomness scenarios.
I do miss the funny wacky videos that don't approach modern internet "humor".
Theory:I believe the puzzle vision arc was trying to say that its complicated to have a good "rate" showing how mr puzzles coukd be the smg4 channel and the crew is the fanbase in somesort. :>
For me I kinda fell off because of the lack of proper continuity and also side characters only being there for skits now…Yk it kinda feels like characters like peach,Chris and swag don’t really interact with the main cast as much as they used too or even get episodes to themselves anymore now it’s just kinda Mario,smg4,meggy,smg3, and sometimes bob. Also I loved arcs such as the genesis and revolutions arc so walking back on the lore and such in the law suit arc and also all the sudden change idk feels like whiplash and a waste of my time since I’m no longer invested in the world they wanted to build.
oh thank god fozzie is mentioned, i can never understand why he wouldn't leave his attachment to smg4 so much while he makes criticisms and despises smg4, one of the main characters in the show
Fozzie is correct in his criticism tho, smg4 has been absolutely effortless these days and the writing is horrid and cringe to the point that it basically is a kid show, something smg4 himself had the audacity to criticize
the show shouldn't be called SMG4 anymore it should be called meggy
I love the show, I don't care what people tell me
I find it hard to watch it now, it just doesn't hit the same like it used to, the jokes and same old shtick, Mario being the dumbass he his making things spiral out of the crew's control and they have to work together to fix the issue, it's so stale and repetitive, and the new animation style and not using gmod keyframes entirely, rather than a mix of using real SM64 movement of the character AND Gmod, the new character designs of SMG4 and SMG3 look like Cocomelon fan characters, sorry for the rant, just had to say it.
ITs official, Despite saying SMG4 cares, the only way he does is when theres tons of backlash about something. Like fishy boopkins character design updates, which people hated on, so they changed it. Other then that, they don't give 2 shits about what we think, and will make SMG4 how THEY want it to without consdering feedback from us, we're just along for the ride as passengers, aside from interactive events every once in a blue moon.
Honestly its more of fandom that it sucks cause i have no problem with series with a few minors like: meggy being very overused,the almost lack of character devlopment of some characters like mario and luigi and some non explained desapearing of some characters like X and FM. But i dont have problems with the old and new smg4 like seriously can we live in piece for once and not complain that smg4 changed so much like if you want something serious watch the arcs of the new era if you want randomnes things watch the old videos
And another reason is because youtube is a beatifull piece of shit nowdays like this new youtube is very hypocrite if you guys dont know what i mean just like goji center says let us explain well we know that youtube algorithm dont want you to put +18 things right? Well in 2021 when fnf exploded there was an a ad of grilfriend being half naked and here on 2024 we had an add of how to increase your dick but i would say why if that is against the algorithm youtube and also the main problem is the youtube robot cause its so broken like it can work
I also miss the old SMG4 & some of it's hilarious videos and content. Below is a list of how the series should go as for fans to enjoy and entertainment to be remembered (In which I know will never happen).
1. Bring back the old designs of SMG4 (recolored), SMG3 (recolored), Fishy Boopkins (as a spike), and Bob (Garo).
2. Bring back Peach's castle.
3. Make Peach less of a Karen and more of a friendly & supportive character & like what she used to be.
4. Bring back the classic characters such as Peach, Toad, Yoshi, Wario, Bowser, Waluigi, Steve, X, FM, Starman3 (with a replacement voice actor/person), Chica, Freddy, Chris, Swagmaster69, & the teletubbies and give them main roles.
5. The return of G&R for Chris and Swag.
6. Have an arc that doesn't end in a WOFTI.
7. Keep some modern characters such as Fishy Boopkins, Bob, Meggy, & Tari
8. Modern characters; Saiko, Kaizo, Melony, Belle, Whimpu, & Depresso should be permanently removed from the series
9. Balance between Gmod & N64.
10. Bring back the recolors.
As soon as tadc started, theyve never been the same
I think I would give this a 50/50. Some points I don't agree with but I definitely respect that you're using constructive criticism, so here are my points:
1. SMG4 most likely doesn't listen to criticism because most of it is all the same. "Modern SMG4 fell off, old videos were better, the redesigns suck, the voice acting sucks". Surely he doesn't want to hear the fandom bitching about going back to old videos constantly. This is the same case with Vivziepop's haters with her two shows in the same universe, Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, both criticisms constantly being "stop with the constant sex jokes and swearing every minute". The only difference is Vivzie responds negatively to criticism, while SMG4 doesn't and ignores it, but they've both grown tired of both their shows having the same criticism when they just want to do their own thing without people complaining about the same thing constantly without end. People change over time. We all have changed including SMG4. The reason people say "anyone miss old [nostalgic youtuber]?" is because they, like most do, don't want to grow up and stay in good old times. They refuse to accept that SMG4 is changing and evolving his content from just being Mario shitposts and having a fully fledged story while still keeping meme material in it, I'm fine with the changes but people need to know that if people want to do something different, they want to do something different and accept that.
2. I don't think the PuzzleVision arc was just an "idea dropbox". This entire arc has been developed all the way since "SMG4, Are you OK?" hence the perfection arc, only being a piece of the entire PuzzleVision saga. (Mr. Puzzles is responsible for sending 4 the demonic keyboard, leading to the destruction of Peach's castle and selling the Showgrounds to the crew.) Mr. Puzzles has constantly been behind nearly everything since early 2023, so if SMG4 had the idea for him THAT early, I don't think the PuzzleVision arc (in its entirety since IGBP and the PV shows and movie) has only been an idea dropbox. I'm pretty sure he was just talking about Mr. Puzzles's shows being the idea dropbox where the crew can give their creative ideas for parodies and such, just as we see with Mr. Puzzles's shows.
These are the only 2 points I could make but I hope I could make it as clear and understandable as I could make it
The Main Reasson Why I've Watched SMG4 Is Probably Because Of The Super Mario Bros. Movie Became The #1 Movie
Honestly, im just here bc i dont like what they did to Puzzles after the arc. Ive never been a huge SMG4 fan, but i wasnt happy with the decision to being him back so soon.
Idk other than that, ive been neutral about the show. I usually just watch it with my friend who is a long time fan and still enjoys this stuff.
Guess ill try to consider the future appearances noncanon for my own comfort idk.
I stopped watching smg4 content for 3 years mostly because i stopped having much time to watch it, but damn...i didn't knew he was actually hated