The Strength of Jiren
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Jiren holds a unique Philosophy of Strength that, despite making him the most powerful character in the show so far, is at odds with Goku, and DragonBall as a whole...
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00:00 Introduction
00:49 Jiren's Past
02:38 The Philosophy of Strength
07:42 Jiren's Principles
12:36 Jiren's Wish
16:42 Conclusion
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Another reason why Jiren chose to shut himself from others and solely rely on himself is that he did try to get help and rally his fellow disciples to avenge their master but no one tried to help him. They were afraid and left Jiren alone when he needed them most. This adds another layer to his cold attitude as its not just because he's afraid of losing people but also that he's been let down by having faith in others and doesn't want to be let down again.
yes great point!
Unlike Goku, who is cheerful and relying on his friends. Some were even enemies at one point. Strength was found through connection, not through separation.
So I'm jiren lol
The ones who tried helping him died, and the rest abandoned him.... Makes sense to be a loner and push people away.
@@virtualbunksie5117Same
I never really viewed Jiren as a villain. I even felt sad about him losing. His story is sad, and his personality is unique and powerful.
aye, jiren is a protagonist from his universe. Technically the only villain in the TOP was on universe 7s team, Freiza
@@BruceVial and frost
Excuse me but jiren personality isn't unique or powerfull. He just the standard tough quiet guy
@@kirbyeatsyourfamily7345blah blah blah typical tard reasoning. But lemme guess “broly big stronk man very good🗿” 😒
Who said he was a villain
Jiren's philosophy, to be strong enough to always have mercy.
You're not capable of mercy without strength. Not really. You are capable of blowing off challenge to avoid it or seeking parley and pardon through kindness but you cannot truly be merciful or peaceful. This is correct.
I've grown to like Jiren a little bit over the last few years. I think it's the mystery part.
Everyone loves the tall, grey and mysterious types 😅
Dang you got the scholar to comment
@@kamalvelmurugan4875real recognize real
People rip on his origin for being generic in that he lost everything, but there’s one thing everyone forgets
He went through it all twice.
I get chills when Jiren shows up. His presence alone sents a chill down each fighter within the ring. That cold stare of watching the fighters fight amongst themselves with gimmicks, power ups.
Jiren is just a force of nature, inmoveable object in one fighter.
But so many dragon ball fans hate him… such a shame
@divinedeviant Yeah.. unfortunately. But I'm glad that a sum is appreciating Jiren. He is a direct opposite of Goku, who gains strength through trust and friendship.
your canon event is learning grammar
@axeius7406 I went through that. Thank for asking Miguel.
@axeius7406 says the one with one of the weakest tools/weapons in minecraft lol. Bitch not even netherite.
Jiren is a fascinating character, an interesting incorporation in the franchise for several reasons. First, he is not an antagonist or villain, he is an individual with his own set of morality, convictions and perspectives that only put him to face Goku as one of the most steps for the protagonist to overcome his limits. Another is that it was designed to be a counterpart of the protagonist on his way of strength: Jiren became powerful, to the point of being at the level of a hakoishin, but training on his own, strengthening without establishing contact or connection with others on his way ; the opposite of Goku who reached where he is for his teammates and rivals who led him to be where he is today.
I just want to say he is an antagonist. An antagonist is someone who is an obstacle that the protagonist needs to defeat
@@kirbyeatsyourfamily7345 well depends how one saw him. To me he isn't an antagonist given he is a superhero-type with no evil intent in his character, you could say an opponent given he was put in that situation. But again, one can have differents points of view about Jiren
@@victorcippitelli2242a superhero is still an antagonist if the point of view is from the villain. The fact that he is actively opposing the views of the protagonist is what makes him the antagonist.
People like to call Jiren a bad character but I dont think so
Jiren is like Goku if the Dragon Balls couldnt bring people back to life and Master Roshi,Krillin and everybody else stayed dead after the King Piccolo arc
to take this even further, imagine if tien, yamcha, etc and all his friends abandoned goku after realizing they can’t win and don’t have dragon balls anymore. just imagine what that would turn goku into. That’s exactly what Jiren became. Which makes their fight that even more legendary aside from the animation and choreography. causals think he’s a bad character but miss all these details
@@leultrainstinct406they think dragon ball is too simple with no plot while they're unable to comprehend the said plot. Hilarious
@@animatedmvs8818don't pull your arm out of socket, jerking yourself off. It is very dumb, DB. Let's talk specifics, so you can agree.
Basically he’s Future Gohan
Goku: I shall use an angelic technique to elevate myself to new heights
Jiren: MORE STRENGTH
Actually in the manga jiren was adapting to ultra instinct not only that he knocked it out of Goku
Since the anime jiren he was a little weaker put in the manga he was a monster
One of the things I like about Goku vs Jiren as its not just a fight for survival but its a fight about ideals. The scene that is a prime example of this is when UI Goku knocks Jiren into a part of the arena and Jiren shouts that he refuses to believe in Goku's talk about trust because to believe in that is to deny the identity he has formed as a person thus far which he refuses to do.
Jiren is so honorable.
Holy crap a vid that not only uses the English dub but doesn't rag on Jiren. So sick of people hating or calling him boring. You got it right he is just what he is a flawed being trying to be and island. One who is so focused on power he does rival the gods. He isn't my fav from Super that would be Hit. But he is high up there for antagonists in the series for me. Higher then Buu, higher then Freeza and way higher then male Kale.
Really now I just want 17 and Jiren to interact more. A nice slice of life ep where 17 tells Jiren of his past and shows him his family and the animals he protects. I also want a movie that is just the universe 6 elites but those feel beyond the Super Dragonballs.
Yep
One thing I like to point out to my friends who are less keen on Jiren, is the fact that he's basically just Goku but from a far less optimistic universe. He didn't have allies or family alongside him, they were lost. He didn't have magic wish granting balls to fix his problems, the namekians and their magic isn't known to universe 11 as far as we know. Essentially he's just Goku without the resources and plot-armor of the protags of dragon ball, he had to do it entirely on his own.
He's not a villain, but he is definitely misguided in his ways, after all, he was willing to ultimately break his own moral code to prove to Goku that friends, family, and connection could just be taken. Ironically, in that moment at least, he was a villain. Something I think he realized himself after the ToP. I hope we get to see more of the grey guy, but we'll have to see.
Been working on this one all year, hope you guys enjoy it. Do you agree with my analysis of Jiren and his view of Strength? Heads up this video uses moments from the Anime AND Manga continuities to paint a more complete picture of Jiren as a character, I know some people dont like that but try to enjoy ;p
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A YEAR??? THE HELL WERE YOU STUDYING? dragon ball wikipedia???
He's an amazing character in my eyes, one of my favorites. Vegeta waited til he was erased to give him genuine compliments. Got a lot of respect for Jiren.
Jiren is just a hurt soul and wouldn’t let anyone get close to him because his fear of loss. He’s just like a lot of us
Great video. Jiren the GOAT. I've always thought he's one of the greatest antagonists in the series.
We need a Jiren side arc movie or something.
I feel like Jiren is what Gohan should've been in concept. Just a powerhouse that doesnt need to relay on forms.
massive agree but at the end of the day that won't be marketable so toei made akira change it
Lol there's no way a half breed like Gohan could ever compete with Goku and Vegeta. Plus he's always been a whiny baby and annoying character.
@@kenshinhimura9387he wants a normal life, and while I do find his lack of literally any training annoying, it's probably something to do with the writers always regressing characters for no reason (Goku is a retard and re learning things he should already know about, Vegeta for some reason wants to be better than him even tho he said that Goku was the best in the Buu saga, basically ending his intentional pursuit to surpass him, and then Gohan pulling a low IQ retard move and not finishing off Buu instantly even tho he should have learned from that after cell)
@@kenshinhimura9387vegeta made this post cause hes mad gohan is stronger than him
Top tier addition to DB in my humble opinion
I like Jiren and this video is a perfect reason as to why.
A pretty great character analysis on Jiren, using both the anime and the manga continuities.
“Jiren is such a lame and generic character” oh you think so? Catch this link mf
1:41 just noticed his teacher was wearing what seems to be a God of Destruction outfit. Maybe that explains why Jiren was so strong.
I'm really glad I found your channel. Your character analysis are great and they really make me think and help me have a deeper appreciation for said characters. Jiren has definitely grown on me overtime
Can we just acknowledge that Jiren has fighting game style finishing move, with a pose and everything 😂😂😂
Haven't finished yet but so far the intro is a banger
this channel is fairly killing it, well done lad
Your channel is so underrated.
I hate how Super Hero tried to retcon Jiren to not being that strong.
The demon is El Hermano
pure strength no transformation no boost JUST STRENGTH ! JIREN is a whole another entire beast cant even label him a GOAT it feels disrespectful,,,
This was a very wellmade video. This series youve been making on dragonball earned you my subscription. Hella good vid 👌
Usually I really don't watch UA-cam as much these days but your videos are so awesome I keep coming back for more!
cool vid. i LOVE jiren so much because he is the first “good guy” antagonist & his ability to outclass goku like he did was surreal. he was s really well written character.
i so CAN’T WAIT for jiren & broly to be in the same arc together!
This channel is just banger after banger
New best dragon ball Channel 100%
Damn good video. More insight into jiren is always welcomed, keep it up!
Jiren literally could have ran train through the whole T.O.P; But plot needed to happen...🙄
i just want to see Jiren and Hit actually fight no holds barred. not necessarily each other, but someone that they are genuinely trying to kill with all their might. and no, that Hit vs Goku contract fight doesnt count. had Hit wanted to, he could have ended Goku permanently. also, im convinced that this demon in Jiren's past is actually a canon version of Hirudegarn waiting to be introduced in a later arc.
5:34 thats why vegeta da goat in my opinion
Btw great video i really love the way u narrate its really awesome
Jiren aka……..PURE HANDS
Awesome Video, ever since the release of Jiren I have loved his character. His personality and his principles. A lot of people didn't like him. I am glad there are others that like this character and can see that he isn't like other dragon ball bosses, he is not an evil person killing innocent people or trying to exterminate a race.
I saw your Android 17 video and then i ended up watching ur other videos, these are really good
"To achieve great power, help yourself. But, to achieve a great feat, help others."
-Someone... I don't remember but I probably said it wrong so it's my quote now.
Nothing gets stronger than wanting to only face enemies at their strongest and with just raw power no transformations or techniques.
I just rewatched the tournament of power arc from start to finish. And I, along with many others at the time were way to harsh on jiren. Sure he may have seemed boring at the beginning, but towards the end after he knocks out vegeta, we start to see the flaws show. Rewatching this made me realize just how polar opposites Goku and jiren are. Goku even admits as much when he’s helping android 17 and freiza “wow he got this strong all on his own… he’s really something else”
Bro in manga jiren has stated to have immeasurable potential....than technically he should have more potential than anyone
FARRR more potential than vegeta or goku. No god ki and he’s already Complete ultra instinct level. Imagine complete ultra instinct Jiren? Or hakaishin jiren?
He’s one of my favorite characters his past is so tragic. I hope he comes back when Dragon Ball super comes back or if they’re going to make the new series.
I never really thought of jiren as an interesting character, but this changed that. Great video
OK dude ur dragonball content is next level. I was expecting JIREN PUNCHY THIS HARD!
Goku is the equivalent of Superman in Toriyama universe
Jiren is the equivalent of Batman
I love when you do philosophy on characters PLEASE MSKE MORE 🙏 lol
The long awaited Jiren video😼
Jiren was such a good character design. Who remembers the absolute hype while this was airing
Yeah he resembled a character most likely from Marvel/DC.
Flawless video!!!
insanely underrated channel. i thought this was a 200k subs youtuber 😅
Great vid I agree with pretty much everything you said. Question, do you look into any of the source material behind DB like Journey to the West, Buddhism, Taoism, Martial Arts, etc? You're really knowledgeable about the series based on the videos I have watched.
I think Jiren may be on the spectrum.
Doesn't talk much.
Really strong (there used to be another term for it, but I only just got off a 24hr hate speech ban. Don't wanna catch another one just yet)
Hyper-fixation on one particular subject (Justice, instead of maybe trains or Pokémon)
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Brutal
I truly appreciate your in depth analysis of characters, more over than the 'jIrEn Is PoWeRfUl' - great content PL! 👏
Very cool. I've beent trrying to watchi all day for 2 days straight because I just had to much to do. Worth every day of hard work. :) - leifo
Jiren is him and you can’t fuck with him unless you wanna know what clouds taste like in the afterlife. Because that’s where you’ll be going in less than a quectosecond. Also who’s the best bald badass kratos, Jiren , thanos or saitama?
Saitama by far. He doesn't even try and can explode any enemy with 1 punch
Philosophy of hit next?
:) good vid
Thanks to this video and the a video called the "strength of son Goku"(i can't say the UA-camr's name)i kinda understand Jiren a little bit more.
the label at 10:55 with no text threw me off.
Good video btw
But what about when Jiren fired that ki blast at the universe 7 bleachers? He said he wanted to show goku how easily they could be taken away. Sure goku cancelled the attack but jiren was willing to directly kill the spectators.
probably just second degree murder
I think jiren already knew goku would block that attack
Anime-only, so you can technically ignore it.
I really liked Jiren- the concept of him, anyway. Thy mystery, the possibility of what he could represent in the series at large... but then things just fell apart.
Jiren: Ends the biggest tournament threats with a single punch or blast, without effort or even showing visible effort.
Also Jiren: Gets punched one time and goes into a depressed stupor.
It's like there were two writers: one who wanted to make him hyper-focused and the strongest character in the series, and another writer who wanted to make him dumb and weak.
There he is. He’s perfect. Can’t wait for Baby Baby!
So many views on your videos but not a lot of subs? I know that it sucks, but you might have to remind ppl to hit the like and sub. Wasn't saying it to be an ass, underrated
Would you please consider doing a video on Yujiro Hanma from Baki, he is way overlooked and misunderstood as a character, often only viewed as an overpowered villain.
I was thinking imagine Jiren God belmod sent that demon to kill his family. Just like how beerus sent frieza to destroy saiyans
What if vegeta lost a large amount of ki/power when he first turned ssjb against goku black because he lost confidence while failing to intimidate goku black?
They should make Jiren spin-off
Damn, I heard that last three minutes bro...
Whoever here doesn't loves Jiren, isn't any hurted fighting machine
Contradiction is such a good writing technique for a character, Jiren denies the tournament and he is describes as self-less. BUT once he hears he can get a wish he joins. if only they had that scene in the anime as well as actually explaining his wish in the anime.¨
His parallel with 17 is so good as well, the anime really butchered this lol.
i disagree. anime and manga jiren are different takes on his character. the anime version actually did the scene better imo because it perfectly explains his obsession with strength and why his wish matters
@@leultrainstinct406Why do you have the best takes lol
Absolute Chad.
Jiren story is the best thing about super
Do all of these great points apply to Super’s manga?
Please do one for hit
Imagine if Jiren goes in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber...
I've been wanting a deep dive into jiren because that seems to be an echelon of power that seems to be skipped over, what _about_ the mightiest mortals, what _about_ rivaling the gods rather than progressing along *their* tiers of power? powerful power's sake has its value if used _properly._
power for power's sake*
He should be wearing red, blue, gold, and white.
"Jiren is a man devoted to justice. He doesn't act in self-interest"
My guy please go watch the ToP arc again and in org jap because the complete opposite is the truth. Jiren is a guy who completely devoted everything to strength. He acts completely on his own self-interest. His philosophy up until the end of the tournament is "Strength is Justice, Strength is Absolute." He wanted the SDBs for his own wish and he used his own comrades as disposable units. That's not me saying that, that's Jiren and Vegeta's dialogue.
So basically jirens whole personality is just if I close you off and use physical force and worry about nothing but myself I will win do I agree, that’s subjective do I respect that I don’t know but what i do know is that Jiren is built different and seeing him battle Super Broly would be a badass fight
Jiren is my favorite character to come out of super. I think he would make a very powerful ally to the main group
Anyone who says jiren has no personality doesn’t understand…. We can’t even comprehend a person who surpassed the gods… he’s legitimately different… he doesn’t need a personality he is a force of nature
What good are the gods if everyone is able to pass them
1 mortal in one universe and above all 4 ish in another coming closeish-
None known in the others.
Not really close to everyone
that's what happened with Kami back when Raditz showed up lmao this is nothing new
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I wish jiren won honestly
Honestly after seeing so many jokes about the grey having no personality, watching such a deep dive like this, is interesting
Who's the dude that killed his family and friends. I hope we get to see who the villian was.
If enough of us FANS spread the word we can make this happen.
How dope would a side arc movie of Jirens origins be?! I'd buy it.
They gotta give bring Jiren back hard, I feel like hes toriyamas new favorite character. Bring him back and let him be the dude who saves every1, and in the end he gives Goku his credit that he couldve nevrr gotten that far without having met Goku. Take my money
Jiren story is not bad. Before the tournament Jiren universe there are not dragonballs so death is permanent in his universe.
Yo
Yeah Jiren is actually a pretty good character
Jiren isnt a villain, just an antagonist
1:35 the shadowed facial expressions. And the shadow making an expression is kewl
Was universe 7 the only universe that spammed wishes from the dragon's balls?
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