22 years ago when I was first watching the Cell saga, I never would've imagined that this random guy would become the ultimate savior of the multiverse.
A character that went from simply "that guy who tags along with 18 and got absorbed by Cell" to someone who can stand on his own and become one of my favorite characters
He was always one of my favorites from the beginning of that saga. I was 7 and just thought his style clothing wise and the voice actor was perfect. He reminded me of Woody from Toy Story in a way. When him and Piccolo teamed up I was pumped. Even though I knew they were supposed to be a lot worse his style was just really cool to me.
Honesty, he was straight up ALWAYS one of my top 3 favorite characters since the start, lol. His fun attitude, unique dynamic with 18 and 16, and the way in which he slowly came to respect and even learn from Poccolo during their fight was just really memorable for me. Topped off with having one of my favorite voices in the series, getting to see a "What if" future for him in the History of Trunks special, and his tragic fate in the Super 17 Arc of GT. It's really no surprise he stuck with me so much in hindsight. His character expansion in Dragon Ball Super's Tournament of Power just reinvigorated my love for him, and solidified him (properly this time) as my favorite character in Dragon Ball.
Also Piccolo actually trying to save 17 when Cell arrived probably gave him a reality check. No doubt he saw himself in a mirror with Cell who was an uncaring monster and being the victim for once made him realize what it's like to be afraid and weak against a stronger enemy that sees you as prey and decided he wouldn't emulate such a grotesque person such as Cell.
17 & 18 needs a movie about them honestly. Im more interested in their background and power potential then goku and vegeta. Imagine if 17 & 18 trained with whis non stop for years. The amount of power and potential is limitless.
While I'd love that, I think 17 and 18 would need a significant reason to leave their cherished families to train on the other side of the universe. The android/cyborg siblings care a lot more for their families than Goku and Vegeta.
If they ever adapt the Superhero saga to anime I would love for 17 and 18 to be more involved in the story along with Goten, Trunks, Gohan, Piccolo and Pan, given the fact that the Red Ribbon army had such a close relation with Dr Gero and the creation of androids. The two of them would certainly be pissed there's still people trying to replicate Gero's endeavors
Notice this trope about Androids: they live playing games. 1. In the future timeline, Androids 17 & 18 were killing people for a game. 17 shouts "Haha! I get 10 points for every human I hit!" 2. Vegeta mocks Android 19 by saying "You're the one who started this game, & now you don't want to play anymore?" 3. When Dr Gero reaches his lab, he says "Hahaha! It seems I have won this little race!" 4. Androids 16, 17 & 18 wanted to hunt down Goku as a "game" 5. The ultimate Android Cell made a literal game called The Cell Games 6. In GT SSJ4 Goku mocks Super 17 when he had him in a chokehold and said "What's the matter? You only want to play the game if you're winning?"
A nice retrospective look at Android 17 and the humanity that he still has. For the record, I don't think that the super dragonballs were the reason 17 entered the tournament of power, despite claiming that he would use the wish to get an expensive yacht for his family. When Goku brought up the super dragonballs initially, 17 still refused to join. I think Goku helping 17 to save the endangered animal was enough to convince 17 to compete, coupled with how similar 17 and Goku are. Although I think Goku's more humble than 17 as one of their core differences.
Thanks for making a video for Android 17! He's the coolest character in db universe and he's super underrated i wish he was in the super hero movie he deserved a spot! i was so disappointed
Just finished Super last week as I stopped watching DBZ back in high school. I picked up the series after Frieza saga, and 17 was always my favorite character on the show. What a surprise Super ended up being, finding out this weird android guy I thought was so cool from back in Z ended up being debatably the savior of Universe 7. Very cool.
9:47 Planet Level: "He still took all of his opponents down with nonlethal means." Also Planet Level: *shows 17 tightening the chokehold on Tien's neck, which is very lethal*
Dude… you’re right. 17 never wanted to kill Goku. The Z fighters over reacted and instead of working with 17 and 18 to defeat cell they tried to “stop” them and allowed Cell to become complete. Their irrational assumptions almost got them all killed. Had Goku been alive, Cell would have died at imperfect
Ive always loved the trope of taking the fight to a location that will minimize collateral damage, i find it funny considering collateral damage is a huge issue in superhero media.
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it's a shame the original funimation dub from 2000 didn't really have 17's love for nature in his dialogue. He mentions wanting to enjoy scenery but they later add a bit about him wanting to use the world as their playground which was not said in the manga or Japanese dub, but I guess funimation only had the spanish dub to work with and did their best. As a result, a lot of people think 16 is the one who rubbed off on 17's enjoyment of nature, but really it was both of them.
Every Saga has a villain/s turn good and become a member of the supporting cast. Tien Shinhan - A gifted warrior who was being lead down the path of darkness by his former masters. Chiaotzu goes where he goes. Piccolo - Piccolo Jnr from the moment he was born was never truly evil. He was just an angry teen, with Daddy issues Vegeta - A Tsundere and the only one who was truly evil from the start. Rivaling Frieza's level of cruelty and malice. But not his kill count. 17 & 18 - They were good guys the whole time. But no one thought to ask. Majin Buu - Did not know the difference between Good & Evil. Sees pure innocence get shot in an act of pure malice. Oh, I get it now. Lord Beerus - I'm a God not a villain. It was Pilaf, Shu and Mai. That joined the gang that day. Freiza - I'm still the baddest, but not as bad as I used to be. Which is significant growth for me. Broly - AHHHHHHHHHHHH! Oh sorry, ahhhhh!
We assumed they are heartless killers because thats what the androids are in Trunks' timeline but I guess that's one of the things that changed in the current timeline.
I know there is deeper meaning behind 17 killing 20 but really its the classic anime trope of showing us the power gap between the old big bad and the new big bad. Raditz beats Goku and Piccolo. Nappa is stated to be far stronger. Nappa wrecks everyone. Vegeta kills Nappa. Freeza kills Vegeta. Android 19 beats Goku but not Vegeta. 17 kills 20. Cell destroys then absorbs 17 and 18. Dabura is stated to be equal to Cell. Buu kills Dabura. Goku beats Buu. Beerus destroys Buu and beats Goku. Golden Freeza also beats goku, sort of. Blue Vegeta sort of beats Freeza. Hit beats Blue Vegeta. Jiren beats Hit. While not a perfect cycle the pattern is definitely there. Goku
I just can't separate chuck Huber from hiro nohara. It is so weird listening to shins dad telling krillin to give his friends sensu beans after nearly beating them all to death
17 and his sister 18 were just two normal teenagers, until Gero stole their lives and made them villains. But the Z Fighters gave them their lives again, too bad 16 is not here when he should be.
17 and 18 being orphans makes sense for Gero's plan. If he needs to experiment on people, he would go for someone who's homeless and has no family to report their dissapearance. Since they were allegedly delinquents (probably just to survive though), Gero might have rationaized his actions by claiming these were people no one would miss....dark
I’ve always interpreted 17’s decision in becoming a Ranger as a nod to him trying to show his care for 16, it’s actually amazing how much foreshadowing was packed into his future decisions
Man 16 to me is just as iconic as Android 8 goku learned not to kill from him so really the quote heratless machines is wrong for the Android's as they still were just as much humam
If you told me like 20 years ago that Android 17 would enter a Multiverse Tournament, end up as the winner, and wish back everyone that was erased; I would have laughed in your face. Yet, here we are, and they took a character that I already liked and made him better.
Fully agree, 17 had so many opportunities to kiII it's very clear he goes out of his way to avoid it. For example when the police tries to arrest them. 0 casualties. Which at this point is EXTREMELY untypical for DBZ villains. Most of them feature an intense disregard for life to the point of casually offing people for pure boredom. He even stretched out the kiII Goku brainwashing. Every other villain with his intellect would have just broken into a TV station(leaving a trail of body parts). And just asked Goku to come to him so fewer people have to die for crossing his path in search of Goku.
The amount of insight this gives...honestly it just gives you more reason to love his character. Some people just know how to make you see things in a different perspective and I love it
This why i love 17,he and Krillin and 18 represent what humans can be if given the chance and that he's a badass,and also i would not mind helping him out from time to time.
Something that I also noticed about his sacrifice is what vegeta says after the explosion "he must've intended to sacrifice himself in the very beginning." And yet after 17 revealed to be alive he says that it was a complete gamble that he wasn't sure he would even survive. It actually seems like 17 was fully intending on the explosion, killing him, even though he himself wasn't actually sure he would die or not He knew that if he actually didn't end up surviving that there mightve been a chance of the universe getting erased because his team might lose to jiren He had complete trust and faith in them to do so despite knowing the risk and did so anyway all for the sole purpose in that it just made him feel more human It sounds selfish but not only did he avoid doing so for the whole tournament before that point but he also did so in order to protect his teammates He is one of the most selfless, caring, and most importantly human characters in the entire franchise They could not have done a better job with him in the anime if they tried and I hope toei uses him more often
Thank you for the effort and passion you put into your work on this platform! I don't know how long you've actually been doing stuff like this, but the quality of your content is already top notch. Keep up the great work man, and thank you again!
15:00 You mentioned the “tragic childhoods” of Goku and Android 17 here but I think if you posted a clip of Goku and his loss of Grandpa Gohan it would’ve hit a lot harder.
For sure, i was more considering his split from his originally family but that also is a premiere and maybe better example. Also worth noting that he was basically forced into saving the world as a little kid, even though he seems to enjoy it, it definitely wasnt a normal childhood lol
@@PlanetLevelDBit's also funny that being "forced" to save the world was more or less accidental. Him saving the world was more a byproduct than the intention.
7:40 I think this is an interesting view with a good bit of validity but I think it also attributes a bit of moral righteousness that's probably not there, he might not have killing Goku as his intention but he would probably be fine and isn't going to avoid so to win, a natural byproduct of his goal that happens when you aren't trying to spare your enemies like the good guys.
I would say the absence of Android 16 caused that timeline to occur. All that more heartwarming that he may have converted 17 into such a likeable hero
The simple explanation is that it could just be a timeline where the doctor was smart enough to alter their minds to make them as bloodthirsty and world conquering as him. Another explanation though could be that without 16 and without the Z fighters to kill Doctor Gero at First they likely never got the bigger picture that the Z fighters were just good people and that they were trying to keep Earth safe and tat would've ended up spiraling into basically a world wide murder fest that to them still feels like self defense with the two more jaded androids.
in our timeline gero had to desperately activate them to try and win whereas in the future one he probably had all the time he needed to alter their personalities completely, plus no 16
It's funny cause looking back on when I first saw him on the show, 17 wasn't necessarily a character I was interested in, but when he and Piccolo temporarily teamed up against Cell, I liked the respect they were showing for each other. That was the point when I started thinking maybe he could be a cool hero. When they met again before the ToP, I know that moment was fan service, but it was appreciated. Seeing these two together and still showing each other respect was epic.
A17 easily has one the best re-introduction in DBS. Edit: Just watched the video and I can't believe I have begun to like him even more because of his morality and nature.
I just absolutely LOVE that my favorite DBZ character got so much attention and spotlight in DragonBall Super! It was just so unexpected, but very exciting. I the really liked the Super 17 saga in GT as well, although it was quite short compared to all the other main villains (Baby got so much screen time during his arc that it made legit sick of the character).
Android 13 : Don't Lecture Me with you're 30 Dollar Haircut ! Wait Goku got a soft spot for nature and animals ? Goku would kill a wolf, Ceatures and eat them like a snack no problem lol
This is just a fantastic character analysis, thank you for that. This seems like it took a lot of work and mulling over material. I hope you become one of the greats in the dragon ball content sphere, because this kind of stuff is quality.
Great analysis and presentation. The only criticism I would offer is that I would have loved to see more insight from the source materials and not just the dub interpretation. But awesome, nonetheless. 17 was one of the best parts of Super for me and I'm glad they took the opportunity to develop his character beyond what we got in Z 🙌🏼
While he isnt my favorite i do love him. The idea of a character going through hell and refusing to change there morals no matter what is always a cool thing. He didnt care what the world threw at him from years of turtore to the whole world wanting to kill him
22 years ago when I was first watching the Cell saga, I never would've imagined that this random guy would become the ultimate savior of the multiverse.
17 and 18 are amazing, so was 16 who had a good heart (except for Goku initially)
Neither did Toriyama
unpredictable. but obviously not a random guy….
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@@ADzDaRRmanyep, that c-assist is amazing
A character that went from simply "that guy who tags along with 18 and got absorbed by Cell" to someone who can stand on his own and become one of my favorite characters
He was always one of my favorites from the beginning of that saga. I was 7 and just thought his style clothing wise and the voice actor was perfect. He reminded me of Woody from Toy Story in a way. When him and Piccolo teamed up I was pumped. Even though I knew they were supposed to be a lot worse his style was just really cool to me.
Honesty, he was straight up ALWAYS one of my top 3 favorite characters since the start, lol. His fun attitude, unique dynamic with 18 and 16, and the way in which he slowly came to respect and even learn from Poccolo during their fight was just really memorable for me.
Topped off with having one of my favorite voices in the series, getting to see a "What if" future for him in the History of Trunks special, and his tragic fate in the Super 17 Arc of GT. It's really no surprise he stuck with me so much in hindsight. His character expansion in Dragon Ball Super's Tournament of Power just reinvigorated my love for him, and solidified him (properly this time) as my favorite character in Dragon Ball.
his fight with Piccolo is peak honestly
Sometimes you can tell people are casual to the anime by some of these comments
Honestly, I feel like 17 didn't initially love nature, but he slowly grew to love nature because of his relationship with 16
I agree. I felt that way even when 1st watching it as a kid
This
Probably why in Future timeline they're killers^^ There weren't 16 to show them alternative^^
@@Voradorek84another great point that backs up the claim
Also Piccolo actually trying to save 17 when Cell arrived probably gave him a reality check. No doubt he saw himself in a mirror with Cell who was an uncaring monster and being the victim for once made him realize what it's like to be afraid and weak against a stronger enemy that sees you as prey and decided he wouldn't emulate such a grotesque person such as Cell.
17 interrupting the Magical Girl sequence of the Universe 2 girls will live on in my head as one of Super's best moments.
16 died but his spirit clearly remained with 17
He lives on!
17 learned from him
He was the catalyst for 17's choice of career I guess@@icegangsta5161
17 & 18 needs a movie about them honestly. Im more interested in their background and power potential then goku and vegeta. Imagine if 17 & 18 trained with whis non stop for years. The amount of power and potential is limitless.
While I'd love that, I think 17 and 18 would need a significant reason to leave their cherished families to train on the other side of the universe. The android/cyborg siblings care a lot more for their families than Goku and Vegeta.
If they ever adapt the Superhero saga to anime I would love for 17 and 18 to be more involved in the story along with Goten, Trunks, Gohan, Piccolo and Pan, given the fact that the Red Ribbon army had such a close relation with Dr Gero and the creation of androids. The two of them would certainly be pissed there's still people trying to replicate Gero's endeavors
Notice this trope about Androids: they live playing games.
1. In the future timeline, Androids 17 & 18 were killing people for a game. 17 shouts "Haha! I get 10 points for every human I hit!"
2. Vegeta mocks Android 19 by saying "You're the one who started this game, & now you don't want to play anymore?"
3. When Dr Gero reaches his lab, he says "Hahaha! It seems I have won this little race!"
4. Androids 16, 17 & 18 wanted to hunt down Goku as a "game"
5. The ultimate Android Cell made a literal game called The Cell Games
6. In GT SSJ4 Goku mocks Super 17 when he had him in a chokehold and said "What's the matter? You only want to play the game if you're winning?"
A nice retrospective look at Android 17 and the humanity that he still has.
For the record, I don't think that the super dragonballs were the reason 17 entered the tournament of power, despite claiming that he would use the wish to get an expensive yacht for his family. When Goku brought up the super dragonballs initially, 17 still refused to join. I think Goku helping 17 to save the endangered animal was enough to convince 17 to compete, coupled with how similar 17 and Goku are. Although I think Goku's more humble than 17 as one of their core differences.
Thanks for making a video for Android 17! He's the coolest character in db universe and he's super underrated i wish he was in the super hero movie he deserved a spot! i was so disappointed
Just finished Super last week as I stopped watching DBZ back in high school. I picked up the series after Frieza saga, and 17 was always my favorite character on the show. What a surprise Super ended up being, finding out this weird android guy I thought was so cool from back in Z ended up being debatably the savior of Universe 7. Very cool.
Damn son that’s a bang up job you did there. It’s good to see 17 get some lime light as well - he is definitely an interesting character
Great video! Your dragon ball content is so fresh compared to other UA-cam creators. You dig for details that no other actually addresses.
This content is so in depth yt with so many dbz channels yours is shining far above them all the community needed your channel!
I do really love how some of these characters have been given enough life that they are kind of their own thing. Really good stuff IMO.
Really enjoyed this. =) The script, the editing and music was also spot on. Keep makin more!
I didn't watch super but this almost made me cry
Made him one of my favorite characters
I really enjoyed seeing the androids “play the villain” as it were against the magical girls. They really hammed it up.
20 years ago we only had heroes and villains so I didn't see these qualities then. Good work
From selfish to selfless. You love to see it
15:34 I love him, dear god...
9:47
Planet Level: "He still took all of his opponents down with nonlethal means."
Also Planet Level: *shows 17 tightening the chokehold on Tien's neck, which is very lethal*
Dude… you’re right. 17 never wanted to kill Goku. The Z fighters over reacted and instead of working with 17 and 18 to defeat cell they tried to “stop” them and allowed Cell to become complete. Their irrational assumptions almost got them all killed. Had Goku been alive, Cell would have died at imperfect
It wouldn’t have worked 16 was hell bent on killing goku, although 17 and 18 couldn’t care less they still woulda sided with 16
17.. should have been a Kai. He's the answer to Zamasu's madness imo.
Android 17 has always been my favorite character next to Goku.
Ive always loved the trope of taking the fight to a location that will minimize collateral damage, i find it funny considering collateral damage is a huge issue in superhero media.
I would like to mention that 17 is very grateful to Krillin for bringing him and his sister back. Well at least in the manga and hints in super.
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17 mvp of tournament of power fr fr
Brilliant video, great summary of one of my favourite Dragonball characters and yes he and Goku can be very much alike!
Fantastic video. 17 is definitely that guy
Loving your videos!
Only thing left to discuss it's why their future counterparts are so cruel.
Super was hit or miss but bringing back 17 was what I always wanted. I love the Saiyans but give the Namekians and Humans more spotlight please.
16 is watching over his brother 17 with a smile on his face
I just finished Kai again nd i really like 17s character in this jawn
Yeah, despite being voice by the same VA as Shou Tucker, Android 17 is the most human character in DBS
17 is definitely the MVP.
it's a shame the original funimation dub from 2000 didn't really have 17's love for nature in his dialogue. He mentions wanting to enjoy scenery but they later add a bit about him wanting to use the world as their playground which was not said in the manga or Japanese dub, but I guess funimation only had the spanish dub to work with and did their best. As a result, a lot of people think 16 is the one who rubbed off on 17's enjoyment of nature, but really it was both of them.
Finally found a video I can point to when someone asks me why Android 17 is my favorite character
Very very good video! Thank you!
Every Saga has a villain/s turn good and become a member of the supporting cast.
Tien Shinhan - A gifted warrior who was being lead down the path of darkness by his former masters. Chiaotzu goes where he goes.
Piccolo - Piccolo Jnr from the moment he was born was never truly evil. He was just an angry teen, with Daddy issues
Vegeta - A Tsundere and the only one who was truly evil from the start. Rivaling Frieza's level of cruelty and malice. But not his kill count.
17 & 18 - They were good guys the whole time. But no one thought to ask.
Majin Buu - Did not know the difference between Good & Evil. Sees pure innocence get shot in an act of pure malice. Oh, I get it now.
Lord Beerus - I'm a God not a villain. It was Pilaf, Shu and Mai. That joined the gang that day.
Freiza - I'm still the baddest, but not as bad as I used to be. Which is significant growth for me.
Broly - AHHHHHHHHHHHH! Oh sorry, ahhhhh!
Future Trunks and Android 17 are the most Human character in DB who will do everything to protect the Humanity.
17's resentment may be from being shunned by humans before his abduction
I wonder if the guys who made code lyoko saw the android saga because that would make a lot of sense
I'm a simple man. I see a planet level upload I click
It pains me that they never showed us his family
Awesome video! Subscribing 😎
I liked 17 clothes more in Z then Super
Right!! Finally someone else said it
Notice the animators error of Gero's right hand after 17 destroys the remote.
We assumed they are heartless killers because thats what the androids are in Trunks' timeline but I guess that's one of the things that changed in the current timeline.
Best character in super. Would make a sweet protagonist
Great Video, alternative title The Tao of Android 17
The ultimate character development/ redemption
I was hoping they would show Android 17 after cell was defeated when everyone God wished back that cell killed
I 10000% keep forgetting that he and Goku hadnt met until super. Like Piccolo and Vegeta never fighting. Or Krillen not getting a transformation
honestly my biggest gripe with the whole 17 thing is that clearly, it would've made a lot more sense for it to be android 16
I know there is deeper meaning behind 17 killing 20 but really its the classic anime trope of showing us the power gap between the old big bad and the new big bad.
Raditz beats Goku and Piccolo.
Nappa is stated to be far stronger.
Nappa wrecks everyone.
Vegeta kills Nappa.
Freeza kills Vegeta.
Android 19 beats Goku but not Vegeta.
17 kills 20.
Cell destroys then absorbs 17 and 18.
Dabura is stated to be equal to Cell.
Buu kills Dabura.
Goku beats Buu.
Beerus destroys Buu and beats Goku.
Golden Freeza also beats goku, sort of.
Blue Vegeta sort of beats Freeza.
Hit beats Blue Vegeta.
Jiren beats Hit.
While not a perfect cycle the pattern is definitely there.
Goku
He truly is the hiei of this universe.
How can you back down when it's do or die
thanks for sharing
17 has always been in my top 3 favorite characters.
My favorite character 17
Favourite character 🙂
Hes cold blooded and compassionate
to. this day I really don't understand why 17 and 18 were so evil in Trunk's timeline..
Gero had time to fully alter their personalities instead of the normal one where he had to rush to activate them
Even Super17 was indestructible but he was destructed by Goku because of real 17 not hell 17
I just can't separate chuck Huber from hiro nohara. It is so weird listening to shins dad telling krillin to give his friends sensu beans after nearly beating them all to death
Mr. MVP himself.
Weird their future versions destroyed everything and everyone 🤔
I'm just proud of him because he did it all in JEANS.
0:58 alright. This better be good
6:26 ok. So far so good
Bro. This was really good✊⚡️🤯🫵👀🦅☝️👆🌳🌊
Ultimate Ranger and why they don't want to kill Goku. When they got reprogramed
17 and his sister 18 were just two normal teenagers, until Gero stole their lives and made them villains. But the Z Fighters gave them their lives again, too bad 16 is not here when he should be.
I'm glad someone else sees it.
I think 17 was 17 when he got kidnapped.
He’s also handsome
Trunks timeline thou?
17 and 18 being orphans makes sense for Gero's plan. If he needs to experiment on people, he would go for someone who's homeless and has no family to report their dissapearance.
Since they were allegedly delinquents (probably just to survive though), Gero might have rationaized his actions by claiming these were people no one would miss....dark
Great points, I think the backstory for the twins is surprisingly dark, would love to see it more fleshed out sometime
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“You can’t kidnap orphans, they aren’t even wanted from the first place”
all speculation was it in the manga NOO was it in the anime No
And now they're both real heroes, loving parents and great friends
17 is honestly the only character that I think looks better in the super art style
#Agreed 💯
He doesn't have that five head anymore so that's a plus
@@Owliare Yeah no shit, huh? You used to be able to land a cargo plane on that fucking thing.
It’s the eyes.
Exactly. He’s the coolest looking character. Especially in GT. I use to love using him in all the games. 17 was my go to
I’ve always interpreted 17’s decision in becoming a Ranger as a nod to him trying to show his care for 16, it’s actually amazing how much foreshadowing was packed into his future decisions
Man 16 to me is just as iconic as Android 8 goku learned not to kill from him so really the quote heratless machines is wrong for the Android's as they still were just as much humam
If you told me like 20 years ago that Android 17 would enter a Multiverse Tournament, end up as the winner, and wish back everyone that was erased; I would have laughed in your face.
Yet, here we are, and they took a character that I already liked and made him better.
Fully agree, 17 had so many opportunities to kiII it's very clear he goes out of his way to avoid it.
For example when the police tries to arrest them. 0 casualties. Which at this point is EXTREMELY untypical for DBZ villains.
Most of them feature an intense disregard for life to the point of casually offing people for pure boredom.
He even stretched out the kiII Goku brainwashing. Every other villain with his intellect would have just broken into a TV station(leaving a trail of body parts). And just asked Goku to come to him so fewer people have to die for crossing his path in search of Goku.
The amount of insight this gives...honestly it just gives you more reason to love his character. Some people just know how to make you see things in a different perspective and I love it
you whimp
@@Prosthetic-o9m tf is that supposed to mean 💀
This why i love 17,he and Krillin and 18 represent what humans can be if given the chance and that he's a badass,and also i would not mind helping him out from time to time.
Something that I also noticed about his sacrifice is what vegeta says after the explosion "he must've intended to sacrifice himself in the very beginning."
And yet after 17 revealed to be alive he says that it was a complete gamble that he wasn't sure he would even survive.
It actually seems like 17 was fully intending on the explosion, killing him, even though he himself wasn't actually sure he would die or not
He knew that if he actually didn't end up surviving that there mightve been a chance of the universe getting erased because his team might lose to jiren
He had complete trust and faith in them to do so despite knowing the risk and did so anyway all for the sole purpose in that it just made him feel more human
It sounds selfish but not only did he avoid doing so for the whole tournament before that point but he also did so in order to protect his teammates
He is one of the most selfless, caring, and most importantly human characters in the entire franchise
They could not have done a better job with him in the anime if they tried and I hope toei uses him more often
Thank you for the effort and passion you put into your work on this platform! I don't know how long you've actually been doing stuff like this, but the quality of your content is already top notch. Keep up the great work man, and thank you again!
15:00
You mentioned the “tragic childhoods” of Goku and Android 17 here but I think if you posted a clip of Goku and his loss of Grandpa Gohan it would’ve hit a lot harder.
For sure, i was more considering his split from his originally family but that also is a premiere and maybe better example.
Also worth noting that he was basically forced into saving the world as a little kid, even though he seems to enjoy it, it definitely wasnt a normal childhood lol
@@PlanetLevelDBit's also funny that being "forced" to save the world was more or less accidental.
Him saving the world was more a byproduct than the intention.
For awhile now I really started liking 17 but this video just made me like him even more lol
It’s poetic really. That in the end he displayed the ultimate defiance towards the rule of the ultimate authority.
7:40 I think this is an interesting view with a good bit of validity but I think it also attributes a bit of moral righteousness that's probably not there, he might not have killing Goku as his intention but he would probably be fine and isn't going to avoid so to win, a natural byproduct of his goal that happens when you aren't trying to spare your enemies like the good guys.
One question, what caused 17 and 18 to go on a destruction rampage in the Trunks timeline? Seems they killed a lot of people in that bad future.
I would say the absence of Android 16 caused that timeline to occur. All that more heartwarming that he may have converted 17 into such a likeable hero
i think after goku's death due to the virus he had, the androids had nowhere else to go and nothing else to do, so they opt in killing humans for fun
The simple explanation is that it could just be a timeline where the doctor was smart enough to alter their minds to make them as bloodthirsty and world conquering as him. Another explanation though could be that without 16 and without the Z fighters to kill Doctor Gero at First they likely never got the bigger picture that the Z fighters were just good people and that they were trying to keep Earth safe and tat would've ended up spiraling into basically a world wide murder fest that to them still feels like self defense with the two more jaded androids.
in our timeline gero had to desperately activate them to try and win whereas in the future one he probably had all the time he needed to alter their personalities completely, plus no 16
It's funny cause looking back on when I first saw him on the show, 17 wasn't necessarily a character I was interested in, but when he and Piccolo temporarily teamed up against Cell, I liked the respect they were showing for each other. That was the point when I started thinking maybe he could be a cool hero. When they met again before the ToP, I know that moment was fan service, but it was appreciated. Seeing these two together and still showing each other respect was epic.
This was such an interesting dive into A-17. I has't realized many of your points, but they make perfect sense now that I know them.
A17 easily has one the best re-introduction in DBS.
Edit: Just watched the video and I can't believe I have begun to like him even more because of his morality and nature.
I just absolutely LOVE that my favorite DBZ character got so much attention and spotlight in DragonBall Super! It was just so unexpected, but very exciting. I the really liked the Super 17 saga in GT as well, although it was quite short compared to all the other main villains (Baby got so much screen time during his arc that it made legit sick of the character).
Android 13 : Don't Lecture Me with you're 30 Dollar Haircut ! Wait Goku got a soft spot for nature and animals ? Goku would kill a wolf, Ceatures and eat them like a snack no problem lol
17 has always been my favorite character ever since he first came on screen 17 has been my favorite DBZ character for 22 years crazy
This is just a fantastic character analysis, thank you for that. This seems like it took a lot of work and mulling over material. I hope you become one of the greats in the dragon ball content sphere, because this kind of stuff is quality.
Thank you for making this. 17 has been such a cool character to add to the tournament of power.
Great analysis and presentation. The only criticism I would offer is that I would have loved to see more insight from the source materials and not just the dub interpretation. But awesome, nonetheless. 17 was one of the best parts of Super for me and I'm glad they took the opportunity to develop his character beyond what we got in Z 🙌🏼
While he isnt my favorite i do love him. The idea of a character going through hell and refusing to change there morals no matter what is always a cool thing. He didnt care what the world threw at him from years of turtore to the whole world wanting to kill him