The RISE of Italian Tennis, is it Luck?
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2024
- In recent times, we have witnessed the rise of multiple Italian tennis stars. Throwing it back a few years, it was Matteo Berrettini who emerged and placed himself in the spotlight by reaching the Wimbledon final in 2021. But lately, there's been a wave of Italian rising talents. Of course, it is Sinner who leads the way, but behind him come other players the likes of Musetti, Arnaldi, Darderi, Sonego, Cobolli… just to name a few. This, however, not only happens in men’s singles; and the recent French Open is a great demonstration of the great moment that Italian tennis is going through. Jasmine Paolini made the women’s singles final, while Elisabetta Cocciaretto had a great tournament as well. And players who we’ve known for a long time, such as Bolelli and Vavassori, and Sara Errani partnering with Paolini herself, all made the finals of the doubles tournaments. As you can imagine, this Italian dominance of the sport is no coincidence, but rather a result of some great management from the country’s federation.
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The Italian Tennis Federation’s development was pretty stark. For ages it was just a nepotistic and disfunctional organization meant to give support to its higher echelons. It was revolutionized in the 2000s and now we see the results
Italian tennis is currently a Dream Team, and it's no coincidence. The credit goes to the federation which, despite its flaws, has created a top-notch technical structure. Coaches like Piatti, Vagnozzi, Pistolesi, Sartori, Santopadre, etc., are all of the highest caliber.
With top-level coaches training other top-level coaches, who in turn train the players, the entire system is functioning effectively.
When you have a great player like Sinner may be luck, but when you have other good players can't be just luck.
We Italians are extremely good in self-shaming, much less so in ackowledging our strong points when they're not related to food.
So, it's very difficult for us to recognize the stunningly good job the FITP made, but at the same time it's impossible to overlook. So, thank you for this video.
And, for those people who came here to comment on the title without actually watching the video: commenting is not an obligation, you know.
I confess: I clicked on the vid cuz I felt, being Italian, outraged: wait, what? LUCK???? aaarggh.
istead... good job highlighting how the efforts, lasting decades now, of the Italian Tennis federation and private Tennis Clubs is coming eventually to fruition.
there's one real player - Sinner. Musetti or the others will never win a slam. And Sinner after 50 years of weak-minded "real" Italians winning nothing didn't even speak Italian until he was a teenager and it's his Teutonic temperament and application that was the difference.
@@huzcer bruh
@@francybenz do you think that Musetti, Berrettini, Nardi, Cobelli etc will win a slam? Seriously? Besides having an Italian passport does he look, act/ carry himself, train or play, or sound like any of those other guys?
Historically speaking, Italy's biggest sporting achievements have always come from facing adversities and a lack of structure and investments.
This tennis rise is very different and you highlighted it pretty well
Just a mention for the one that got away:Liudmila Samsonova came to Italy at age 1 but due to citizenship rules couldn't get the italian one when she became 18 so ahe chose Russia, otherwise Italy would've another top15 player rn
Also many great players trained in italy At The piatti center, not only sinner but even gasquet and ljubicic
It’s not only tennis but many other sports have seen a rise in competitive level. The gymnastic female team is the strongest we ever had (even with injuries). In athletics we had sporadic wins but last month Italy dominated the Europeans.
Maybe in USA someone should ask himself why there are no more top players since almost the end of the last century……
Actually Luciano Darderi (and his brother) are not anymore based in Argentina: they live and train in Italy.
source: i see them like every day in my club when luciano is not playing tournaments somewhere around the world
Not luck at all. It could be luck tonhave one GS champion, but having so Many Young players Rising on the ranking is work well done
Another factor to consider: after Panatta, Italians were desperate for new champions to keep people interested, and when promising players came on the scene they quickly would get sponsorships and media attention, putting a lot of pressure on them. When interest faded, the federation became less of a trendy place, and that left space for managers with passion and promotion skills (a dedicated tv channel was born too) as opposed to attention seekers. So, this cycle began.
very good point. Italian tennis has been in 70s mood for at least another 30 years.
No ma frate, è skill
In Sinner’s case it is a combination of luck but also hard work. Before someone attacks me - Jannik is the deserved nr1 but he benefited massively from early hype even if he didn’t start delivering until he was 22. Because of that hype he got a massive Nike deal (about the size Alcaraz got NOW!! as a 3x slam winner) which allowed him to move from Piatti and get a top notch team that allowed him to exercise his potential fully. Not every young player has this much hype around them with a lack of delivery so to that extent Jannik was lucky
You do not get hype because you have ginger hair, or you come from a small village in the Dolomites. You get hype because you produce hype with your game, results and attitude. Anybody can do it, look at Ben Shelton, Carlos Alcaraz etc. provided you are up to it.
La coppa devis è nostra
Congrat! It's a very good video!!😍😍
So Roger Federer is Italian
Now the best Tennis is italian whit Jannik Sinner...😜
Italian tennis is a good example that if you have good management you can bring to the top a country that previously mostly struggled with that sport
Italian football is a good example that if you have bad management you can bring to the bottom a country that previously mostly excelled with that sport
I agree about tennis! Italian soccer? Not sure about your question… Italy just became Europe champion u17 team soccer ⚽️ that’s not a coincidence but perhaps a beginning of a new era of great soccer in Italy 🇮🇹
Ma quale fortuna. L'organizzazione dei tennis club, il netto miglioramento dei tecnici che formano ragazzi/e, l'esperienza fatta dai ragazzi/e in ogni torneo del mondo. Da anni finalmente i circoli hanno dato la giusta importanza al tennis giovanile e non ai soliti soci
@@sergiofabbri1185 Ma l'hai visto il video? Dice esattamente il contrario: ""it is not a coincidence but the fruit of years of very good work""
Very good video, you have to improve only the pronucuatiuon of Jannik
The video is certainly better than the title. One question: is it so difficult to try to pronounce foreign names (italian names in this case) correctly? It is a matter of paying respect to people
I feel this was an AI voice, as it missed on every single one. Even Sinner's first name. Hard to believe a real human working for a channel with "Tennis" in its name wouldn't know that; plus what human would pass up the ability to properly pronounce the most fun-to-say player name in the ATP, OOO-go um-BEAR?
@@HeavyTopspin You may be right, although I am not at all sure that this was an AI voice (which is easily recognizable in general). At any rate, you must also acknowledge that it is typical of yankees (and, more in general albeit less frequently, of english speaking persons) to not even try to learn how to pronounce foreign names correctly. For them, the correct pronunciation is the "american pronunciation". This is the reason why we have to use the name "Flòrida" (which means nothing and sounds terribly) instead of the beautiful, original and historical Spanish name of the State "Florìda" (which means "flowering", "in bloom", "in blossom"). Just an example, of course.
@@namenlos2578 definitely AI voice. They improved a lot lately
@@simoz78 AI voices pronounce names the way they were taught by humans, anyway.
I remember being in Florence in May 2023, having lunch in a trattoria. A couple of Americans seated next to us wanted the waitress to tell them how to pronounce the word "olio". In spite of the best efforts of the waitress the Americans were unable to pronounce this simple word (but they still sounded very satisfied with themselves).
Some cultures are just not very good with what deviates from what they know.
Sinner > the entire history of French men's tennis
For now french players are that kind of players Who don't win anything important but they're at the top of the rankings, take for example gasquet and fognini, gasquet won only 250s while fognini, even though he won less titles, won a 500 and a masters
Lacoste? lenglen? Stop embarrassing yourself
@@sv-bd5em what about players? Want to compare sinner to humbert?
Well of course, when it doesn't happen to Americans or Northern Europeans it's "luck". Btw, there have never been "Darderis" in the USA tennis...NOOOO! 😂😂😂
Watch the video
@@anto-sk4ce I have. I was reacting to the title when I commented and then I didn't delete the post because the part about Darderi still holds. According to Italian laws being born in Italy doesn't make you Italian if your parents are not Italian nationals. However people who were born outside of Italy can claim Italian citizenship if there are Italian born people in their ascendants, even far, far back. This law provides for the millions of Italians who were forced to emigrate because of poverty in the last two centuries. Darderi was born in Argentina to an Italian father but his family moved back to Italy when he was a teenager.
I have heard this before ...
Berrettini final at Wimbledon was luck.
Sinner winning AO and becoming no 1 of the world is luck, someone else earned the points
Paolini in final RG is luck, someone else won the matches to be there
Winning the 100m at the Olympics is luck. Also the high jump and the 20km walk someone else run and jumped
Winning Euro 2021 is luck, someone else must have scored more goals
Winning WC 2006 is luck, same as above
Winning WC 1982 is luck.
Winning 4 Volley world champ is luck.
Winning the LVC in sailing is luck.
Winning 11 gold medals in euro athletics is luck.
Winning 31 World titles in F1 is luck.
Winning 759 Olympic medals 6th all-time in the list of nations is luck
è evidente che non hai visto o capito il video
@@nemo2476 the title of the video is enough … even assuming one becomes no. 1 of the world by luck is idiotic.
@@karlpopper3246 ok the title is little provocatory bit u should watch the video anyway before answering this way.
I did and can say that its An interesting informative video about italian tennis actual situation
@@nemo2476 I did, the title is still there
@@nemo2476concordo. Non l’ha visto o non ha capito una beneamata mazza. E non è il solo
What a Stupid Title!!!
FITP isn't a great world... To be honest
How could it be luck ? We have at least three graat male tennis players, and at least one female great player. This Is not luck. Luck Is having Federer, wawrinka or Djokovic, and nothing else
there's one real player - Sinner. Musetti or the others will never win a slam. And Sinner after 50 years of weak-minded "real" Italians winning nothing didn't even speak Italian until he was a teenager and it's his Teutonic temperament and application that was the difference.
@@huzcer the nazi explanation is also never missed. Italy is not Italy, it is another country. Its borders do not exist, or its citizenship.
There is always another reason for the history of the Italian pensinsula and its populations, and a lot of luck in the fact they were central in the history of Western civilisation ... Columbus was not Italian, he came from a Teutonic area, Julius Ceasar neither, Leonardo must be teutonic, Galileo from a Teutonic land ... or perhaps North Korea?
Sinner was born In Italy and is Italian because 659.000 weak-minded Italians died in destroying the "strong minded and strong tempered Teutonic" Austrian and Germanic forces in WWI ... and before they did the same during all the other three Italian independence wars during which "Teutonic forces" were ejected from Venice and Lombardy by other weak-minded Italian soldiers who died by luck and won by luck, no actually they were not even Italian.
Sinner is not only Italian by luck but his tennis education happened 100% in Italy, by luck obviously, before in the mountains then near the sea at Bordighera, with Master Piatti, just a lucky owner of the Piatti academy because he luckily produced 2 players among the top 3 in the world (the other being Ivan Ljubicic). Luckily and in Italy are the key words.
On second thought Bordighera is only 25 km from the French border so they produced great players as they were French and the French had a teutonic queen.
@@karlpopper3246 simple facts. 50 years of "real" Italian male players failing at every single slam. Sinner is guy who said himself that he was using hand gestures to communicate in Italian until he was a teenager. spent maybe a few years total in an Italian speaking part before moving to Monaco at 18. And you are going on about the Na zis lol when Italy invented fascism but were so rubbish at actual industry and wars - the only European nation ever to have lost a colonial war in Africa, getting defeated by Ethiopia 😂😂
@@huzcer well, so according to your reasoning as a child Napoleon was Italian, as were millions of other people who built the West who emigrated to the USA, I would like to point out that a country like Italy which was eliminated by the Second World War after 50 years was the 4 GDP in the world, I would really like to know which sad village you come from, maybe I'll visit you in a Lamborghini, I'll offer you a good dinner, Italian of course, so you stop eating potatoes and slop, the important thing is to be careful not to stain my Armani suit and we'll talk about how much the your little village had an influence on the Renaissance and how many Nobel Prizes it gave to humanity while you use your Marconi-derived cell phone or the current electricity from alessandro volta,I won't list for you the three-quarters of the world's artistic heritage that are in Italy, nor that until the beginning of 2K eighty percent of the world's physics spoke Italian. I'll stop here because I could write until tomorrow
@@andreaandrea497 look Sinner is the best Austrian since Thiem. I think that we can all agree on that. especially the Ethiopians.
No, Jannik Sinner Is the motivation
Caxxate
@@mistericchisi3704Non sono cazzate, il suo successo da grande motivazione agli altri. Lo hanno detto loro, non io. Paolini lo ha detto chiaramente in una intervista dopo la vittoria nel masters 1000, ha visto Sinner vincere e si è detta: posso farlo anche io . Sinner ha anche motivato altri tennisti a batter Djokovic, che sembrava intoccabile (era solo sudditanza psicologica). Sinner ha denudato il re.
@@raffaelecafiero3608 non lo ha denudato semplicemente djokovic è finito 😂😂😂 volevo vedere nardi battere djokovic nel 2023
@@lollo_3039 non e così. Quando Sinner ha battuto Djokovic alle finals e poi in coppa davis Djokovic stava bene. Semplicemente sinner e stato piu forte, e Djokovic ha capito che era arrivato il suo erede.
@@raffaelecafiero3608 si ma non puoi dire che grazie a sinner molti italiani hanno battuto djokovic semplicemente dopo gli AO è finito
Yes, it is.
yes it's luck
We won also the Davis Cup with this luck you mentioned, I guess we'll see more of this luck in the next future.
😅😅😅😅
Im sorry but putting Sonego to the mix is joke he is BAD
Definitely luck. Only luck 🍀
😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
@@ilguru4031 there's one real player - Sinner. Musetti or the others will never win a slam. And Sinner after 50 years of weak-minded "real" Italians winning nothing didn't even speak Italian until he was a teenager and it's his Teutonic temperament and application that was the difference.
@@huzcer How many countries have more than one player capable of winning a slam? we won the davis cup and among the women jasmine paolini who (in the right conditions) could have the chance at a slam. 50 years of nothing but now we work with the right people, gaining our satisfaction (in the double vavassori-bolelli)
And then stop with the "Italian" thing. It's ITALIAN you stupid! get over it!🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
@@huzcer the nazi explanation is also never missed. Italy is not Italy, it is another country. Its borders do not exist, or its citizenship.
There is always another reason for the history of the Italian pensinsula and its populations, and a lot of luck in the fact they were central in the history of Western civilisation ... Columbus was not Italian, he came from a Teutonic area, Julius Ceasar neither, Leonardo must be teutonic, Galileo from a Teutonic land ... or perhaps North Korea?
Sinner was born In Italy and is Italian because 659.000 weak-minded Italians died in destroying the "strong minded and strong tempered Teutonic" Austrian and Germanic forces in WWI ... and before they did the same during all the other three Italian independence wars during which "Teutonic forces" were ejected from Venice and Lombardy by other weak-minded Italian soldiers who died by luck and won by luck, no actually they were not even Italian.
Sinner is not only Italian by luck but his tennis education happened 100% in Italy, by luck obviously, before in the mountains then near the sea at Bordighera, with Master Piatti, just a lucky owner of the Piatti academy because he luckily produced 2 players among the top 3 in the world (the other being Ivan Ljubicic). Luckily and in Italy are the key words.
On second thought Bordighera is only 25 km from the French border so they produced great players as they were French and the French had a teutonic queen.
@@karlpopper3246 simple facts. 50 years of "real" Italian male players failing at every single slam. Sinner is guy who said himself that he was using hand gestures to communicate in Italian until he was a teenager. spent maybe a few years total in an Italian speaking part before moving to Monaco. And you are going on about the Na zis lol when Italy invented fascism but were so rubbish at actual industry and wars - the only European nation ever to have lost a colonial war in Africa, getting defeated by Ethiopia 😂😂
Narrator's pronunciation is shockingly bad.
I just can tell that amateur tournament fare is very high in Rome Italy, 30 euro. This is not a good way to push people to playing tennis. It is only for people with money, in Italy. Greetings from Rome Italy