Thank you for this eye-opening and mind-boggling explication of the facts surrounding the Pilgrims and the Indians. It is more disturbing than even a PBS American Experience history of Thanksgiving Day and other articles I have read. We have a lot as a nation to reckon with about our past. If we gradually accept what we have done to Indigenous Peoples of what became the United States we may be able to become even stronger as we move through this difficult period of time.
Thank you for this eye-opening and mind-boggling explication of the facts surrounding the Pilgrims and the Indians. It is more disturbing than even a PBS American Experience history of Thanksgiving Day and other articles I have read. We have a lot as a nation to reckon with about our past. If we gradually accept what we have done to Indigenous Peoples of what became the United States we may be able to become even stronger as we move through this difficult period of time.
I listened to the entire History of plymouth plantation 1608-1650 by William Bradford, and didn't realize until now that only about half of the people on the Mayflower were "pilgrims". The other half were basically just coming for land and to bring beaver back to Europe (because they basically decimated the beaver population in Europe). Until now, I always thought the entire group of people on the Mayflower were pilgrims.
Hey did you know that U.S. president Abraham Lincoln was obsessed with the pilgrims? He wrote in his journal that he’s been obsessed with the pilgrims ever since he was 17
David Silverman says, ''this terrible conflict(King Phillip's War 1675) is the most basic feature of English-Wampanoag relations that the Thanksgiving 1621 'myth' studiously ignores''. So the 1621 myth ignores the1675 war. I don't get it. I will admit lots of opportunity to avoid bloodshed were lost over the course of those 50 years. Sudden waves of unchecked blossoming immigration brings things to a head. Who doesn't know this? The Great New England Indian War was well known into the 1800s. No hidden past. There's no myth. The newcomers were thankful to God that some of them were still alive and had stores of food ready for the coming winter this time. The fact that there might've been a few natives on hand for the feast was one more reason to be hopeful that they might survive more years. Fifty years later tensions came to a head and war ensued. No myth.
Susan here, trying to finish her long Thank God comments…I struggle with typing on my iPhone… Gee, what was my unfinished sentence?! Well, here’s the bottom line: any imperial power or its agents with its “incursion” into foreign lands immediately debases the indigenous laws of land and property ownership. The English began doing this in Ireland at the time of Henry II. Read the histories Gerald of Wales wrote of Ireland! As a Catholic American, I know what the Pilgrims did to Catholics in New France/New England-in Maine! We are morally obliged to sever the political chains that obfuscate the truths of U. S. history so that we can fully value and live our American history. A Hopi man said to me recently in my small New Mexico town, identifying my obvious whiteness, “When you come to ruin-and you will-my people will be here to help you learn to survive.” I held his hand very hard in gratitude as my eyes filled with tears. We must love and respect each other with bigger hearts.
We were taught in our school that the first thanksgiving the main dinner on the table was pizza. The chef aboard the mayflower was Italian, and prepared several large pizzas to share with the Indians. But because there was not enough pepperoni on the Pizza, the Indians later revolted against the pilgrims
For an Indigenous perspective on Indigenous history, we encourage you to watch our recent conversation with Lance Corporal Thomas Begay, one of three living Navajo Code Talkers, which you can watch here: ua-cam.com/video/SVSt8g5IpJQ/v-deo.html. He was joined by a Hopi journalist Patty Talahongva, who produced a film about the Code Talkers for the American Indian Museum in Washington, D.C.
The Wampanoag today pass down stories of the white people walking through miles of abandoned native villages with skeletons all over from the plagues that came in the years leading up to the Mayflower. That's why the tribes did not like outsider tribes. They did not know what illnesses they carried with them.
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Great webinar Dr. Silverman
Thank you for this eye-opening and mind-boggling explication of the facts surrounding the Pilgrims and the Indians. It is more disturbing than even a PBS American Experience history of Thanksgiving Day and other articles I have read. We have a lot as a nation to reckon with about our past. If we gradually accept what we have done to Indigenous Peoples of what became the United States we may be able to become even stronger as we move through this difficult period of time.
Thank you for this eye-opening and mind-boggling explication of the facts surrounding the Pilgrims and the Indians. It is more disturbing than even a PBS American Experience history of Thanksgiving Day and other articles I have read. We have a lot as a nation to reckon with about our past. If we gradually accept what we have done to Indigenous Peoples of what became the United States we may be able to become even stronger as we move through this difficult period of time.
Stunning.
Thank you, Capitol Historical Society and Dr Silverman
Happy Thanksgiving! I love this American holiday!
didn’t get it, did you?
I listened to the entire History of plymouth plantation 1608-1650 by William Bradford, and didn't realize until now that only about half of the people on the Mayflower were "pilgrims". The other half were basically just coming for land and to bring beaver back to Europe (because they basically decimated the beaver population in Europe). Until now, I always thought the entire group of people on the Mayflower were pilgrims.
Hey did you know that U.S. president Abraham Lincoln was obsessed with the pilgrims? He wrote in his journal that he’s been obsessed with the pilgrims ever since he was 17
They had investors, sponsors, underwriters. Whatever you want to call them.
Amazing how history changes when we have records from all parties. Excellent presentation!
" A consensual, bloodless affair"...love this already!
Thank you Thank you Thank you
David Silverman says, ''this terrible conflict(King Phillip's War 1675) is the most basic feature of English-Wampanoag relations that the Thanksgiving 1621 'myth' studiously ignores''. So the 1621 myth ignores the1675 war. I don't get it. I will admit lots of opportunity to avoid bloodshed were lost over the course of those 50 years. Sudden waves of unchecked blossoming immigration brings things to a head. Who doesn't know this? The Great New England Indian War was well known into the 1800s. No hidden past.
There's no myth. The newcomers were thankful to God that some of them were still alive and had stores of food ready for the coming winter this time. The fact that there might've been a few natives on hand for the feast was one more reason to be hopeful that they might survive more years. Fifty years later tensions came to a head and war ensued. No myth.
Susan here, trying to finish her long Thank God comments…I struggle with typing on my iPhone…
Gee, what was my unfinished sentence?! Well, here’s the bottom line: any imperial power or its agents with its “incursion” into foreign lands immediately debases the indigenous laws of land and property ownership. The English began doing this in Ireland at the time of Henry II. Read the histories Gerald of Wales wrote of Ireland!
As a Catholic American, I know what the Pilgrims did to Catholics in New France/New England-in Maine!
We are morally obliged to sever the political chains that obfuscate the truths of U. S. history so that we can fully value and live our American history.
A Hopi man said to me recently in my small New Mexico town, identifying my obvious whiteness, “When you come to ruin-and you will-my people will be here to help you learn to survive.” I held his hand very hard in gratitude as my eyes filled with tears.
We must love and respect each other with bigger hearts.
You have great insight, and on q larger scale can we communicate
You have great insight, can we communicate
Thanks for the truth
We were taught in our school that the first thanksgiving the main dinner on the table was pizza. The chef aboard the mayflower was Italian, and prepared several large pizzas to share with the Indians. But because there was not enough pepperoni on the Pizza, the Indians later revolted against the pilgrims
White man tellin me the history of my people- john lawson fate
For an Indigenous perspective on Indigenous history, we encourage you to watch our recent conversation with Lance Corporal Thomas Begay, one of three living Navajo Code Talkers, which you can watch here: ua-cam.com/video/SVSt8g5IpJQ/v-deo.html. He was joined by a Hopi journalist Patty Talahongva, who produced a film about the Code Talkers for the American Indian Museum in Washington, D.C.
No yall crazy re writing history - some fat ass white man trying to be relevant in the faculty lounge is not history
The Wampanoag today pass down stories of the white people walking through miles of abandoned native villages with skeletons all over from the plagues that came in the years leading up to the Mayflower. That's why the tribes did not like outsider tribes. They did not know what illnesses they carried with them.
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