I even ride my Stumpy in the High position, and the 76.5 STA is absolutely amazing. A 75 STA is definitely too slack for the Swiss Mountains. Our Scott Spark RC also has an STA of 76.4, which is why they excel here far better in our envirement. Cheers
Just purchased the Epic Expert model and the twist lock grip shifter is amazing! Especially the "magic middle" setting for climbs. It is hands down the best bike in this category that I've ridden. Excellent bike!
I have the E8 Pro. One of the best features is the Twistloc and the “Magic Middle” tune from Specialized. It is very good, especially when you need to pedal a lot. Glad you did this comparison. I’d like to get a 130mm fork just to change for outside of race season. Thanks for putting the effort in for us.
Great review Jason, I love how you swap out suspensions to make it the Epic 8. I own the Epic Evo 7 and Im very keen to see how this bike compares with the 7. Please compare the Epic 8 with the Mach 4SL, both these these 2 bikes are on my list fo an upgrade. Thanks man!!!!
I'm an EVO 7 owner with an ASR on order. So I'm really looking forward to some ride comparions. Loving the on board ride action in the video. Wishing I had some trails like those near me 😊
Very interesting to see that you prefer it in more of an "XC" configuration, or maybe "downcountry" - It feels like your trails, and the way you ride, you would be the absolute target customer for the evo configuration. But that probably just tells us how capable "xc" bikes/suspension have become these days. Me myself, I ordered the S-works version, since where I live its forest, flat and rocky. I've tried trail bikes, but sold them all. Pure XC is where its at for me.
Yeah, I really like XC bikes. The Evo feels much more like a trail bike. In that case I would probably go with the stump jumper in the specialized lineup
@@mtbyumyum Sorry to hear. I'll ask the question here. I'm curious if the Epic's longer WB and Reach make it feel more stable at speed? I was only able to ride in a parking lot on the Epic and it felt the same as the M4 which surprised me.
Great video! I’m stuck between the Epic 8 and the Epic Evo 8 so your video answers a lot of questions for me. I talked to specialized because I was torn the Epic 8 he told me ships in the low position.
I've got this same suspension package on a Spur that I just built up and your assessment on the feel is very similar to my own. It's surprising how good that little shock handles everything. The fork is no slouch either, especially given the updates from the previous model that had the bushing-related issues. I plan on swapping to Fox soon to make a direct comparison because of how that bike begs to get into trouble on the downhill. Nothing like having options for the different riding applications on a given day!
I think it’s would be worth the upgrade bit there are plenty of good bikes on sale right now in this category… Ibis Exie on sale and Cdale Scalpel SE on a huge sale right now at Salt Cycles… call Chris 8019438502🤘
The Epic 8 Evo in the low position ends up with 75* STA which is slack by modern geometry standards and might be the achilles heel of the E8E. The E8E would have been better with a 76-77* STA. If I bought an E8E, I would size up, push the saddle all the way forward, and install a 35mm stem. Geometry wise, I'm sure that the bike was designed for 120mm fork Epic 8 in the high position which would make for a steeper seat tube.
100% this is spot on w my experience riding this bikes the past 3 weeks. Geo on the stumpy is much better for a trail bikes… which is what the e8e is in my experience. Great comment 🤘👊
I even ride my Stumpy in the High position, and the 76.5 STA is absolutely amazing. A 75 STA is definitely too slack for the Swiss Mountains. Our Scott Spark RC also has an STA of 76.4, which is why they excel here far better in our envirement. Cheers
I do see what you’ve done. And it’s cool you’ve got the time to switch between the Evo setup if you want to whenever you want to. It’s not exactly the Epic 8; the Epic 8 suspension has that added tune and pedal platform nose and a lighter trim of components.
@@mtbyumyum you should! Very similar geo to the new ASR. My size large with I9 aluminum wheels, GX Axs, bont XR4 tires, comes out to 24.5lbs. Can prob get it down to 23 with some lighter wheels, tires, and cranks!
I liked the way you swapped out the fork and shock instead of testing two different bikes. Your way is more real world. I’ve upgraded my 2016 Epic with a Fox 34 120mm and a Fox Float replacing a 100mm Sid and Brain rear shock making the bike a lot more capable and fun
Nice build Jason 🎉 , I had a thought today after riding my ORBEA at the weekend and basically I think it’s almost impossible to get a bike that can descend AND climb with totally equal 🟰 ability so I think it also depends on “how” you want to descend like for Eg the SC Nomad is amazing on the descents and it also for a 170mm travel bike climbs ok it all depends on how much effort and energy you’re willing to put in to get to the top ! And an XC 120mm short travel bike can also descend pretty good but less effort to climb 😂 it comes down to the rider and basically asking yourself where’s my happiest moment on the trail. For me personally I actually don’t mind the climb because I don’t ride for more than maybe 2 hours at one time 👍🏾
Awesome review. You've inspired me to build up one of my own Epic Evo's in same fashion so I can try to keep up with my sons racing NICA this season. Where are these trails located? Beautiful singletrack there...
Great video and explanationas usual. Did you do any tuning to the rear shock? I'm curious to know wihich version of the shock you purchased? I'm planning to do the same but I suspect I will have to get it tuned to the Epic specs. Thanks for any info!
Honestly, if you’re going to buy a frame, first of all, please use the link in the description below. It really helps the channel a lot. Second of all, if I were going to build this bike up again from the start, I would use the fox float rear shock that comes on the Evo frame and put a 120mm fox stepcast fork upfront. I think that would make this bike pretty special!
@@mtbyumyum I guess my issue is that I already have SID fork from a previous gen Epic Evo. I’m not even sure I like the Epic Evo at all. I’m slowly going down in travel from an Enduro, to Stumpy Evo to Stumpy. Loved my Stumpy with the 140 Fox on it. Not sure how I feel about the 34 stepcast. I really want a 120/120 agressive XC bike. But, I agree, I prefer Fox over Rock Shox
Ok, I've been watching your videos for a while now. I'm just curious, with the different bike reviews, what is your opinions on chainring tooth count and crank length on all the bikes you review? What is you personal preference?
Awesome call, the evo is getting close to the stumpy territory. Although I did hear the stumpy might be gone from the lineup or just combined with the evo. Love the RS stuff on my bikes.
I feel like so many of the "downcountry" bikes have just become trail bikes and it loses what made them great in the first place. Seems like that's where you landed on the Evo vs Epic. I got on a Blur and it's just an XC bike with a bit of travel and is super fun. Definitely not a trail bike and exactly what I was after. Love the videos!
Rock Shox for the win , it’s the same bike 120/130 same bike but Fox is definitely different then rock shox , and I agree, the rock shox ultimate is a great fork , really good for small bumps senseability
I see you go for the 25mm riser bars on most bikes? Have you tried the low rise versions? A lot of xc bikes seem to go low. Tempted by a pair of enve bars but not sure what to get.
Honestly, anytime I try a flat bar, the bike feels wonky to me. I don’t think it’s how much or how little rise it has. I think it has more to do with the amount of sweep. This bar has a generous amount of sweep to it, and for some reason the cross country flat bars feel like they don’t have any sweep, and my hands are really far out. I don’t know. Maybe I’m crazy and just got used to these bars over the years…
Yeah, I think you’re right. I want to try the bike again with the fox float out back and a 120mm fork with the shock in the high setting. I only ever rode the bike in the low setting with the fox suspension on.
@@mtbyumyum Yup that’s exactly my thought too. I have a 2023 Epic EVO and the rear end is its weakness. I’m tempted to try a Float on that bike. The Float X on my Ripley transformed it into such a better technical climber as well as descender.
That seems like a very decisive opinion considering that you said in the video that the Epic 8 is probably the best descending XC bike you have ridden. So what makes the M4 the better bike? (That’s a genuine question, I’m not trying to sound argumentative 😂)
Kind of wondered which model to get. All the Epic 8s have the twist grip suspension adjustment. Thought about getting the Evo and shortening the Fox fork to 120mm. Any thoughts?
Another great video! How would you say these XC bikes you've been testing lately compare to a Ripley? I've had my Ripley about 4 years now and considering buying something a little more geared toward a XC but not sure if it's worth the money or not. I also only ride about a 1k miles a year...
Honestly, if you’ve liked the sizing of your Ripley and want to go lighter and more xc, I can recommend the Exie enough!! You will love it plus, it’s on sale right now. Call Chris at Salt Cycles… 8019438502 he can custom build you one!!
Perhaps because I weigh 50 pounds more than you I'm pretty sensitivel of the flex of modern XC bikes. I notice you don't comment much on lateral flex. Also, I'll bet that Epic feels more balanced to you because the angles are steeper now. You should try it with the flip chip in the high setting to see if that improves balance further..
Dude, I really wish I would have flipped it into the high setting for this video… I’ll be sure to try it in the high setting a buch before a long term update video
If I was choosing between the two bikes today, coming from an SB100 I would actually broaden my search and look more at the IBIS exie or Cannondale scalpel SE. Both are on sale right now and incredible bikes. But if I had to choose between the two bikes you mentioned above, ASR. Call Chris at Salt Cycles. He could probably get you a crazy good deal if you’re willing to look at IBIS or Cannondale. I think you would be very surprised at how good those bikes are in this exact same category. Their phone number is 801-943-8502.
How does this Bike Compare to the Pivot Trail 429? Both have the same rear travel. Which is the better Climber and which is better (faster/more fun) for descending? Which one do you consider as the better bike?
Better is all relative when it comes to Bikes. It just depends on your speed, terrain and riding style and expectations. Between the two, without a question the pivot is the better descending bike. No doubt about it. It can handle higher speeds and more chunk. The rear suspension is significantly better than the specialized. That said, it’s going to be heavier….
Yup, zero surprises with what you are describing Jason after the changes you've done to the bike. Shorter travel, more XC character, shareper feeling bike. This is especially true for when you ride familiar trails back to back like you have. Glad to see another option out there, but these prices are ridic, especially now what bike industry ia kind of falling apart a little bit 🙄😆
Yep. There are great deals out there on very good similar bikes… Ibis Exie and Cdale Scalpel SE are both heavily discounted right now and excellent options!!
No. Big miss on my end. I really wish I would’ve flipped the chip on both the standard and evo setup… I’ll be sure to mess with it a bunch before a ling term video update 🤙
Since you bought the frame only did you ever weigh it? What I find strange that the price is $3900 the same as the previous Epic Evo frameset albeit without the carbon yoke, titanium hardware and less premium carbon. Very disappointed with the pricing. From my experience from the Gen 7 Epic Evo Sworks to Fact 11 carbon if you put the carbon yoke and the same shock on the Fact 11 the difference in weight is only 50g which I have verified personally because I have owned both versions. Long story short, it might be better to buy this frameset and Epic 8 sworks it. You will probably save money and only have a 50g penalty (if you switch out the shock, yoke and titanium hardware).
Unfortunately I didn’t weigh it as a frame only… I think you’re right tho, purchasing as a frame only and building an epic from there is a smart move… plus you could go w a fox stepcast 120mm fork for the epic build and maybe be slightly more capable given I think it feels just a bit more plush compared to the sid/lux
Great video-thanks. I'm curious how much of the change in feeling is attributed to the rear shock, the fork, or both. The reason that I ask is that buying the Specialized EVO EPIC frame is the most cost-effective option.
Honestly, I think if I were purchasing this bike, for real and not just for my UA-cam channel, I would run it with the fox float shock and a 120mm fox step cast fork… as a Fox/Epic
@mtbyumyum Was considering the Exie but not crazy about the slack 74.5° seat tube and non adjustable geometry. I'd rather get the Ripley with the 76° seat tube and only half degree slacker head tube and only about 1lb heavier frame. Does the Exie pedal much more efficiently when you stand up and mash compared to the Exie?
Always enjoy your straight up reviews, but hoping all bike reviewers, magazines, youtubers... will stop weighing bikes with no pedals. You can't ride a bike without pedals:) I have the prior epic evo and really like the bike, but miss the DW Link of my prior Ibis.
I weigh it without because everyone uses different pedals that weigh different. Some of my pedals weigh close to a pound and others way just over a half pound so I do it in an effort to maintain a level of consistency….
Thanks. I know probably a lame Q. Just some guys don’t pan back like you did which is appreciated. Good luck with the knee and don’t try to come back too early. Just follow the PT staff instructions to a T.
I'd personally go with the 8 but if you're more into racing and serious xc, the 7 is a good deal and fast.... but a little sketchy as an every day bike imho
How? You don’t think that changing the suspension (including g a 10mm reduction at the front, and to an XC fork) along with the geometry change would be perceptible?! I have ridden bikes that feel appreciably different with just a change of air pressure in the shock or a flip chip change… I highly doubt placebo has anything to do g to do with his feeling or opinion.
@@GOmotorsports Specialized got it right on Flight Attendant - standard on their $14,500 S-Works race bike and nowhere else. Tell me the average mountain biker could benefit from what the FA does for another $2500 in cost.
I remember Fox coming out with Fox live valve maybe five years ago or so. I rode it on a Pivot bike and remember thinking man this is just not worth the extra amount of money….
I even ride my Stumpy in the High position, and the 76.5 STA is absolutely amazing. A 75 STA is definitely too slack for the Swiss Mountains.
Our Scott Spark RC also has an STA of 76.4, which is why they excel here far better in our envirement.
Cheers
Just purchased the Epic Expert model and the twist lock grip shifter is amazing! Especially the "magic middle" setting for climbs. It is hands down the best bike in this category that I've ridden. Excellent bike!
Wow your trails are amazing!
They are!
That uneasy feeling is speed!!!
Now just need some back-to-back riding of all these XC bikes. Epic 8, Exie, Mach 4SL, Yeti ASR…and whatever else you have available. ❤
Asr vs exie coming next week🤙
Yes please! I want the mach 4 sl vs the others
I have the E8 Pro. One of the best features is the Twistloc and the “Magic Middle” tune from Specialized. It is very good, especially when you need to pedal a lot. Glad you did this comparison. I’d like to get a 130mm fork just to change for outside of race season. Thanks for putting the effort in for us.
Thanks!
Great review Jason, I love how you swap out suspensions to make it the Epic 8. I own the Epic Evo 7 and Im very keen to see how this bike compares with the 7. Please compare the Epic 8 with the Mach 4SL, both these these 2 bikes are on my list fo an upgrade. Thanks man!!!!
Thanks! Will do!
Thanks again for this video. Last bike I was on in 2017 was the Turner CZAR - interesting how mountain bikes have evolved over time!
I'm an EVO 7 owner with an ASR on order. So I'm really looking forward to some ride comparions. Loving the on board ride action in the video. Wishing I had some trails like those near me 😊
You’re going to love the asr🤘 congrats!
Very interesting to see that you prefer it in more of an "XC" configuration, or maybe "downcountry" - It feels like your trails, and the way you ride, you would be the absolute target customer for the evo configuration. But that probably just tells us how capable "xc" bikes/suspension have become these days. Me myself, I ordered the S-works version, since where I live its forest, flat and rocky. I've tried trail bikes, but sold them all. Pure XC is where its at for me.
Yeah, I really like XC bikes. The Evo feels much more like a trail bike. In that case I would probably go with the stump jumper in the specialized lineup
I can't wait to see your head to head with the Mach 4SL
I’ve got a m4 at my house right now. Just not sure I’ll have time to actually make the video happen. I’m getting knee surgery on April 11.🤦🏻♂️
@@mtbyumyum Sorry to hear. I'll ask the question here. I'm curious if the Epic's longer WB and Reach make it feel more stable at speed? I was only able to ride in a parking lot on the Epic and it felt the same as the M4 which surprised me.
Sorry to hear about your surgery. Hopefully it’s a quick recovery!!
@@mtbyumyum I wish all bests in your surgery and recovery, Man. And a quick recovery!!.
@@mtbyumyum knee surgery?!?
Great video! I’m stuck between the Epic 8 and the Epic Evo 8 so your video answers a lot of questions for me. I talked to specialized because I was torn the Epic 8 he told me ships in the low position.
I’m sure it’s been mentioned, but please do a review on the Santa Cruz blur. Your reviews are hands-down, my favorite and I’d love to get your input.
Man, so many requests for the blur. I guess I need to make that happen. Maybe in May or June. Thanks!
you were absolutely flying in this video
🤘🤪
You need to compare the Evo to the 8 on proper blue black trails. Of course it feels better on a simple buffed out flow trail.
I've got this same suspension package on a Spur that I just built up and your assessment on the feel is very similar to my own. It's surprising how good that little shock handles everything. The fork is no slouch either, especially given the updates from the previous model that had the bushing-related issues. I plan on swapping to Fox soon to make a direct comparison because of how that bike begs to get into trouble on the downhill. Nothing like having options for the different riding applications on a given day!
Nice🤙
I bet the Fox will make the bike more plush feeling, handles the chatter better.
Looking forward to see how it compares with previous EVO generation and if worth the upgrade. Thank you
I think it’s would be worth the upgrade bit there are plenty of good bikes on sale right now in this category… Ibis Exie on sale and Cdale Scalpel SE on a huge sale right now at Salt Cycles… call Chris 8019438502🤘
The Epic 8 Evo in the low position ends up with 75* STA which is slack by modern geometry standards and might be the achilles heel of the E8E. The E8E would have been better with a 76-77* STA. If I bought an E8E, I would size up, push the saddle all the way forward, and install a 35mm stem. Geometry wise, I'm sure that the bike was designed for 120mm fork Epic 8 in the high position which would make for a steeper seat tube.
100% this is spot on w my experience riding this bikes the past 3 weeks. Geo on the stumpy is much better for a trail bikes… which is what the e8e is in my experience. Great comment 🤘👊
I even ride my Stumpy in the High position, and the 76.5 STA is absolutely amazing. A 75 STA is definitely too slack for the Swiss Mountains.
Our Scott Spark RC also has an STA of 76.4, which is why they excel here far better in our envirement.
Cheers
This was very helpful. Thank you!
Happy to help🤙
I do see what you’ve done. And it’s cool you’ve got the time to switch between the Evo setup if you want to whenever you want to.
It’s not exactly the Epic 8; the Epic 8 suspension has that added tune and pedal platform nose and a lighter trim of components.
Best deal out there right now on capable XC bikes is the Cervelo ZFS-5 120. Picked one up and it absolutely rips.
A local kid has a size large he said I could ride…
@@mtbyumyum you should! Very similar geo to the new ASR. My size large with I9 aluminum wheels, GX Axs, bont XR4 tires, comes out to 24.5lbs. Can prob get it down to 23 with some lighter wheels, tires, and cranks!
I liked the way you swapped out the fork and shock instead of testing two different bikes. Your way is more real world. I’ve upgraded my 2016 Epic with a Fox 34 120mm and a Fox Float replacing a 100mm Sid and Brain rear shock making the bike a lot more capable and fun
Thanks!
Another great review!
Glad you liked it!
Nice build Jason 🎉 , I had a thought today after riding my ORBEA at the weekend and basically I think it’s almost impossible to get a bike that can descend AND climb with totally equal 🟰 ability so I think it also depends on “how” you want to descend like for Eg the SC Nomad is amazing on the descents and it also for a 170mm travel bike climbs ok it all depends on how much effort and energy you’re willing to put in to get to the top ! And an XC 120mm short travel bike can also descend pretty good but less effort to climb 😂 it comes down to the rider and basically asking yourself where’s my happiest moment on the trail. For me personally I actually don’t mind the climb because I don’t ride for more than maybe 2 hours at one time 👍🏾
👍🤙
Good idea that you put a 120mm fork. Are the Epic 8 and Epic 8 Evo frames the same on paper or pretty close eh?
Same frame
Awesome review. You've inspired me to build up one of my own Epic Evo's in same fashion so I can try to keep up with my sons racing NICA this season.
Where are these trails located? Beautiful singletrack there...
Nice. Mine is for sale if you’re a size medium?! Trails are in Draper, Utah
@@mtbyumyum Selling it already, what?
If it were a large I'd be all over it...
Gonna have to check out Utah, thanks.
Great video and explanationas usual. Did you do any tuning to the rear shock? I'm curious to know wihich version of the shock you purchased? I'm planning to do the same but I suspect I will have to get it tuned to the Epic specs. Thanks for any info!
Honestly, if you’re going to buy a frame, first of all, please use the link in the description below. It really helps the channel a lot. Second of all, if I were going to build this bike up again from the start, I would use the fox float rear shock that comes on the Evo frame and put a 120mm fox stepcast fork upfront. I think that would make this bike pretty special!
@@mtbyumyum I guess my issue is that I already have SID fork from a previous gen Epic Evo. I’m not even sure I like the Epic Evo at all. I’m slowly going down in travel from an Enduro, to Stumpy Evo to Stumpy. Loved my Stumpy with the 140 Fox on it. Not sure how I feel about the 34 stepcast. I really want a 120/120 agressive XC bike. But, I agree, I prefer Fox over Rock Shox
Ok, I've been watching your videos for a while now. I'm just curious, with the different bike reviews, what is your opinions on chainring tooth count and crank length on all the bikes you review? What is you personal preference?
170mm cranks and 34t chainrings.
@@mtbyumyum thank you 👍
You know well how to dial them it 👍🏼
Everybody wants more fork, you dare to reduce travel for the sake of ride guality
💯👊
Awesome call, the evo is getting close to the stumpy territory. Although I did hear the stumpy might be gone from the lineup or just combined with the evo. Love the RS stuff on my bikes.
Where did you hear about the Stumpjumper?
Yeah. Im so impressed w the epic… so capable and the new evo could give the sj a run for its money…
Nice bike, but I think Jason needs to address the elephant in the room with the wireless shifting :)
Haha
I'd put the fox 34 with a 120 damper in front. Leave the RS shock. I think that is a winner combo.
I'd be curious to see you on a Blur TR and know your thoughts.
So many people have asked this… I need to get on a blur🤘
I feel like so many of the "downcountry" bikes have just become trail bikes and it loses what made them great in the first place. Seems like that's where you landed on the Evo vs Epic. I got on a Blur and it's just an XC bike with a bit of travel and is super fun. Definitely not a trail bike and exactly what I was after.
Love the videos!
Rock Shox for the win , it’s the same bike 120/130 same bike but Fox is definitely different then rock shox , and I agree, the rock shox ultimate is a great fork , really good for small bumps senseability
Thanks for the video! Do you know what was the weight after switching it to SID Ultimate?
All things being equal, the rock shox suspension brought the bike down almost a pound. 14 ounces as I recall…
Thanks for the video! How do you like the SID fork? Is it harsh at all? I just had a SID select on my last bike and it was a pogo stick.
I like the sid on these short travel bikes!
@@mtbyumyum Sweet maybe I wont be so scared of the new ones then.
I see you go for the 25mm riser bars on most bikes? Have you tried the low rise versions? A lot of xc bikes seem to go low. Tempted by a pair of enve bars but not sure what to get.
Honestly, anytime I try a flat bar, the bike feels wonky to me. I don’t think it’s how much or how little rise it has. I think it has more to do with the amount of sweep. This bar has a generous amount of sweep to it, and for some reason the cross country flat bars feel like they don’t have any sweep, and my hands are really far out. I don’t know. Maybe I’m crazy and just got used to these bars over the years…
HI JASON, IT IS BETTER TO BUY THE EPIC 8 TO AVOID MAKING ALL THOSE CHANGES TO THE SUSPENSIONS?????
What stem length? Handlebar width?
I’m 5’8” with 750mm bars and 50mm stem
@@mtbyumyum Awesome!! Thank you
Try it with the twist lock suspension mode it comes with. The magic middle setting
I’ve got the twist lock on the ASR and really don’t see much benefit and rarely use it on that bike…
Now let’s try it again with the Lightweight Yum build
That would be fun!!
This is the Epic 8 Evo frameset available on the website, right? I can’t tell if it’s a gloss or matte finish.
Very buff trails around there!! Which version would you choose for peddaly trails consisting of miles of half football sized chunder
Stumpjumper 130/140 😁
I think the Fox Float shock with a 120 fork (SID or Fox SC 34) would be interesting. The Float should add some capability.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I want to try the bike again with the fox float out back and a 120mm fork with the shock in the high setting. I only ever rode the bike in the low setting with the fox suspension on.
@@mtbyumyum Yup that’s exactly my thought too. I have a 2023 Epic EVO and the rear end is its weakness. I’m tempted to try a Float on that bike. The Float X on my Ripley transformed it into such a better technical climber as well as descender.
Wow! Thanks for sharing
Ok. Here is the question. First response, Epic 8 or Pivot Mach 4 SL?
For the money, Cdale Scalpel SE. no budget, M4 all day!!
Once you go slack, you never go back!
That seems like a very decisive opinion considering that you said in the video that the Epic 8 is probably the best descending XC bike you have ridden. So what makes the M4 the better bike?
(That’s a genuine question, I’m not trying to sound argumentative 😂)
Kind of wondered which model to get. All the Epic 8s have the twist grip suspension adjustment. Thought about getting the Evo and shortening the Fox fork to 120mm. Any thoughts?
If it were me, I’d go fox float shock / fox stepcast 120mm fork
I have those enve bars on my blur. Do you like them on the epic 8 vs the standard roval bar?
I know they are two different bikes but how would you compare the SC Tallboy vs the Epic 8? Which bike would you rather ride in your area?
Hi, could you tell me how you find the epic 8 vs transition spur? How comparable are they in real life? Thanks!
Hey awesome review. Question, how does this bike compare to ibis repley and ripmo in your experience?
I would say it’s most comparable to the Exie in the IBIS lineup
Another great video! How would you say these XC bikes you've been testing lately compare to a Ripley? I've had my Ripley about 4 years now and considering buying something a little more geared toward a XC but not sure if it's worth the money or not. I also only ride about a 1k miles a year...
Cannondale scalpel se! or Exie both on sale now.
Honestly, if you’ve liked the sizing of your Ripley and want to go lighter and more xc, I can recommend the Exie enough!! You will love it plus, it’s on sale right now. Call Chris at Salt Cycles… 8019438502 he can custom build you one!!
Like you were overshooting the jumps, Spesh overshot the Epic Evo’s travel.
Was delicious at 120/110
Yeah, the new standard epic is 👌
Perhaps because I weigh 50 pounds more than you I'm pretty sensitivel of the flex of modern XC bikes. I notice you don't comment much on lateral flex. Also, I'll bet that Epic feels more balanced to you because the angles are steeper now. You should try it with the flip chip in the high setting to see if that improves balance further..
Dude, I really wish I would have flipped it into the high setting for this video… I’ll be sure to try it in the high setting a buch before a long term update video
Hi Jason, it is better to buy the epic 8 to avoid making all those changes to the suspensions?
Was thinking of doing the same to my epic 8
I currently have a yeti sb100 and want to upgrade to a new bike. Debating from yeti asr or epic 8? Any input would be appreciated.
If I was choosing between the two bikes today, coming from an SB100 I would actually broaden my search and look more at the IBIS exie or Cannondale scalpel SE. Both are on sale right now and incredible bikes. But if I had to choose between the two bikes you mentioned above, ASR. Call Chris at Salt Cycles. He could probably get you a crazy good deal if you’re willing to look at IBIS or Cannondale. I think you would be very surprised at how good those bikes are in this exact same category. Their phone number is 801-943-8502.
Now just need to try it again with Flight Attendant!
Too much money…
@@mtbyumyum I think owning like 6 bikes costs more 😜
How does this Bike Compare to the Pivot Trail 429? Both have the same rear travel. Which is the better Climber and which is better (faster/more fun) for descending? Which one do you consider as the better bike?
Better is all relative when it comes to Bikes. It just depends on your speed, terrain and riding style and expectations. Between the two, without a question the pivot is the better descending bike. No doubt about it. It can handle higher speeds and more chunk. The rear suspension is significantly better than the specialized. That said, it’s going to be heavier….
You didn’t want carbon cranks for rotational weight? Those x01 are pretty heavy.
Was just trying to copy the stock pro build…
The bike is cool but I need to know where those trails are.
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Definitely going to have to hit those trails when my bike gets here. I'm a local to SLC area so finding your channel has been awesome.
What accounts for the 3+ pounds over the ASR? Tires/wheels? Anything else?
Yeah, the asr in a similar build was 24lb 4oz
Yup, zero surprises with what you are describing Jason after the changes you've done to the bike.
Shorter travel, more XC character, shareper feeling bike.
This is especially true for when you ride familiar trails back to back like you have.
Glad to see another option out there, but these prices are ridic, especially now what bike industry ia kind of falling apart a little bit 🙄😆
Yep. There are great deals out there on very good similar bikes… Ibis Exie and Cdale Scalpel SE are both heavily discounted right now and excellent options!!
Is it a stock Lux Ultimate shock that you used or was it a Specialized Rx Tuned version?
Are you using the same 3 position suspension set-up that the bike would ship with?
Wanna sell the frame when you're done testing? 😁
yes, hit me up on instagram
Could you tell me please how tall are you? Is it Medium frame with 50 mm stem? Thank you
Yep, 5’8”
Interesting…
Did you also ride/try the Evo in the “high” setting to compare?
Would it be more similar to the “standard” Epic?
No. Big miss on my end. I really wish I would’ve flipped the chip on both the standard and evo setup… I’ll be sure to mess with it a bunch before a ling term video update 🤙
@@mtbyumyum keen to know what your thoughts are on that setting. Will keep an eye out. As always, cool video! 😉
Since you bought the frame only did you ever weigh it? What I find strange that the price is $3900 the same as the previous Epic Evo frameset albeit without the carbon yoke, titanium hardware and less premium carbon. Very disappointed with the pricing. From my experience from the Gen 7 Epic Evo Sworks to Fact 11 carbon if you put the carbon yoke and the same shock on the Fact 11 the difference in weight is only 50g which I have verified personally because I have owned both versions. Long story short, it might be better to buy this frameset and Epic 8 sworks it. You will probably save money and only have a 50g penalty (if you switch out the shock, yoke and titanium hardware).
Unfortunately I didn’t weigh it as a frame only… I think you’re right tho, purchasing as a frame only and building an epic from there is a smart move… plus you could go w a fox stepcast 120mm fork for the epic build and maybe be slightly more capable given I think it feels just a bit more plush compared to the sid/lux
Is the SidLuxe the 2024 model with the updated A2 internals or the or the first gen 2021 -23 with A1 internals?
Where did you buy the matte black Factory 34 (it’s only sold in gloss)?
Chris at Salt Cycles has the connections!! #801-943-8502
Staining the fence? 😊
💯
Specialized will have an attorney contact you. 😂 I would rather stain your fence than ride a Specialized.
Great video-thanks. I'm curious how much of the change in feeling is attributed to the rear shock, the fork, or both. The reason that I ask is that buying the Specialized EVO EPIC frame is the most cost-effective option.
Honestly, I think if I were purchasing this bike, for real and not just for my UA-cam channel, I would run it with the fox float shock and a 120mm fox step cast fork… as a Fox/Epic
@@mtbyumyum@mtbyumyum Thank you - I appreciate your reply on this, and I imagine others will as well!
How much for the frame? Also how does it compare to the revel ranger?
I paid $3,800 😬 from Backcountry… use the links below if you order👍🤘
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Specialized Chisel FS might be the best value xc/trail bike.
Ibis Exie For All are on sale.... best value in the game and absolutely love that DW link on that bike!! Salt Cycles has them in Stock!! 801-943-8502
@mtbyumyum Was considering the Exie but not crazy about the slack 74.5° seat tube and non adjustable geometry. I'd rather get the Ripley with the 76° seat tube and only half degree slacker head tube and only about 1lb heavier frame. Does the Exie pedal much more efficiently when you stand up and mash compared to the Exie?
May I ask if that was a 150mm dropper on the epic?
That's a very personal question...
@@GF-cb8rr😂
175mm
Was this with the flip-chip on the high or low setting?
Low
Always enjoy your straight up reviews, but hoping all bike reviewers, magazines, youtubers... will stop weighing bikes with no pedals. You can't ride a bike without pedals:) I have the prior epic evo and really like the bike, but miss the DW Link of my prior Ibis.
Just add a pound.
I weigh it without because everyone uses different pedals that weigh different. Some of my pedals weigh close to a pound and others way just over a half pound so I do it in an effort to maintain a level of consistency….
Thanks. I know probably a lame Q. Just some guys don’t pan back like you did which is appreciated. Good luck with the knee and don’t try to come back too early. Just follow the PT staff instructions to a T.
How does it compare to the prior version epic evo? Because they seem very similar.
Never mind I was a little premature with my original comment
I will have a head to head video comparing the epic Evo 7 to the epic 8 coming soon👍
Torn between an 8 and a 7 🫤
I'd personally go with the 8 but if you're more into racing and serious xc, the 7 is a good deal and fast.... but a little sketchy as an every day bike imho
@@mtbyumyum Thank you
Transmission group set is heavy
Yeah but I wanted to keep this build as close to the epic pro build as possible
Hey man can I buy the 34 fox from you? Lol
What length is the Enve stem?
50mm
Seems like the Placebo effect is very HIGH with this video!
How? You don’t think that changing the suspension (including g a 10mm reduction at the front, and to an XC fork) along with the geometry change would be perceptible?! I have ridden bikes that feel appreciably different with just a change of air pressure in the shock or a flip chip change… I highly doubt placebo has anything to do g to do with his feeling or opinion.
you have to try flight attendant on your bike
Also another vote for Flight Attendant
Too expensive for the average rider.
@@rlsedition you are right he should only review Walmart bikes from now on.
@@GOmotorsports Specialized got it right on Flight Attendant - standard on their $14,500 S-Works race bike and nowhere else. Tell me the average mountain biker could benefit from what the FA does for another $2500 in cost.
I remember Fox coming out with Fox live valve maybe five years ago or so. I rode it on a Pivot bike and remember thinking man this is just not worth the extra amount of money….
@@mtbyumyum by all reports it seems like it’s a pretty well thought out system. Maybe it’s worth a comparison video.
So basically the old epic evo ? 😂
Haha sort of… I’ll be interested to ride them back to back
evo> epic 8
No😆
this frame(8) is heavier than the 7
Yeah, seems that way
Five thousand dollars for the cheapest variant. Absolutely insane.
@mtbeliever5833 if you want to be taken advantage of and wear it as a mark of honor, go ahead goofball
Agreed
What a deal!
😂
@@mtbeliever5833 try spending money on things that make sense, it'll help you out little feller.
@@mtbeliever5833 sorry I hurt your feelings or something by calling out your bad spending habits
That’s right in line with other bikes like this for cheapest build
God that looks like zero fun. So hard to beat an SL