NEW Specialized Epic 8 vs OLD Specialized Epic EVO
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
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Can we be honest here though? That hip pack is ugly af.
Loving my old/new Epic 7 so far!
I think doing all the short travel bikes compared to the Epic Evo (7th gen) is the video series we need, since that is what we all ask.
Damn, you are demanding. This ain’t no democracy
I concur with the sketchy description of the Epic Evo 7. It is freaking fast but you need to ride it like you’re being paid-it’s a job. This new Epic 8 is intriguing.
💯👊
Swapping to wider wheels, 30mm from the stock 25mm, on my epic evo 7 really helped calm it down and made it even faster.
Love your videos Jason. Cant wait for comparison with ASR. I ride my EE 7on wet rooty single track trails. It shines on the technical root climbs but on the gnarly downs I just slow it down.
I would maybe put the asr in between the evo 7 and epic 8
That's my same issue, too! Epic evo 7 is terrifying on wet roots, even with chunky tires like wicked wills or dissectors. That coastal California fog makes wet slippery conditions, even during drought times.
Thank you for mentioning the incredible discounts going on. The week after the Epic 8 came out, the 2023's were discounted 40%+. Was able to get a Epic Pro for my NICA rider. Would love a Epic 8, but can't pass on a $5k 23 lbs bike.
Bingo🤘👊
You do great reviews. I would love to see you do some throw backs and ride some of the 4 year old bikes that a lot of us are riding and compare them to the new ones. For example I ride a SB100. I would be curious your take on the differences between something like that and the newer bikes.
That's a great idea..... just need to figure out how to make that happen
In your original Epic 8 review you mentioned the bike was still in the "low" flip chip setting, and in this video you have it in the "high" flip chip setting. Which did you prefer and what was the difference in bike handling characteristics of each of these settings on the same Epic 8 bike? Thanks for your vides, they're done really well!
Another great video your's is the best chanel i live in the UK 🇬🇧 and there's a 2022 specialized epic evo pro full xtr 48%off or stumpjumper Pro 46% off with sram axs and brakes which bike would you go for? On the stumpjumper I'd have to change the sram brakes for xtr
what’s the difference between the high and the low setup. sorry for the dumb question -thx
I do love the Fox Factory suspension with the Kashima coating better than the Rock Shox stuff. They are just make a better suspension in my opinion-My Pike on my Tallboy has a slight stiction and seems to get overwhelmed at the end of a ride.
I'm curious to know how they differ on technical climbs.
Yum yum, looking to add a short travel bike for epics and long saddle days up near Ogden…what’s your recommendation between Epic 8, RM Element, Ripley and Mach4 sl? Been difficult to demo each so curious what you would recommend…main bike is a Pivot Switchblade…thx!
I really appreciate the type of reviews you do. Your review of the RM Element had me scour the county for one eventually finding one in Lehigh.
What were the stem length and bar widths used in this comparison of the Epics?
Thank you! 50mm stem and 750mm bars on the Epic 8, 40mm stem and 750mm bars on the Epic evo 7
@@mtbyumyum Jason, one question I have from the RM Element 'first ride' vid: You seamed to find a sweetspot on the rebound clickers on that ride. Do you find that changes during hot summer vs. near winter rides? Ya know, oil being thicker in the cold.
I just bought the same white frameset with the intention of taking the Fox shock off and replacing it with Rock Shox flight attendant. I’m assuming you had to get a different bushing for the rear shock mount? If so, do you know what size it needs. I can’t find this info anywhere online. Thx
Isn’t this just a Transition Spur now? How much did the frame weight when you bought it?
Hey Jason, thanks for the video. I am wanting to get the fox rear shock off my bike as well. Did you install a stock sidluxe ultimate or did you have RockShox tune the shock to the epic 8 frame?
Stock lux… feels great
Awesome vid! Any plans to ride the new 2024 Cannondale Scalpel? Curious on you and Tyler's thoughts on it after y'all loving the Scalpel SE.
Yes. 100% I can't wait to ride the new Scalpel... looks like Cdale took all the positive feedback from the Scalpel SE and applied it to the standard Scalpel... very excited about that bike!
Specialized does this thing where they will remove a bike from their browsing and search pages, but if you google the exact model it will still show up. I can still find the page for my 09 Stumpjumper FSR like that. Point being as of a couple of weeks ago I found the base epic's website (no longer listed on Spec's home page). They are as of time of writing 40% off and there are several available locally. They are listed for less than my industry discount on a 2024 epic HARDTAIL.
I thought that was something weird going on like that.
I would like to see a comparison of the Epic 8 in Evo mode(do you still have the other fork & shock) with some other short travel trail bikes like the SC Tallboy and the Ripley.
Yeah, that could be fun.... It's been a minute since I last rode a Ripley or TB but from the seat of my pants, the new evo is a bit under guns compared with those bikes... but maybe!
I own two Epic Evo 7 S-Works , I believe you consider it "twitchy or sharp" because of two things. The Specialized tires are not comparable to Rekons 2.4 , Rekons are way grippier and also larger volume. And second that bike was designed with a 60mm Stem and in the test was changed to 40mm stem witch impacts directly on the speed of the movement of the handlebars. My two cents
Thanks for weighing in. 🤙 makes sence
Looking at building both versions as well but question: where did you find a fox factory fork in matte black? I’m scouring trying to find one. I hate gloss. I see nothing on the fox site! It’s driving me crazy haha. Thanks for your reviews.
Call Chris at Salt Cycles 801-943-8502
I had the 7 and now the 8, had the 8 with Fox and now SId's. I 100% agree with both opinion,
Was going to put a 120mm Fox fork on the Epic Evo frame and build it up, just curious as to why you made the swap to Sid's?
@MrCyclism i wasn't looking for another trail bike. I wanted something more XC.
Would love to see you reviewing the new Cannondale Scalpel carbon 2
Yeah, me too. I can’t wait to ride that bike!
Nice comparison as usual! How does the Epic 8 compare to the new Mach 4 SL? Thanks.
Should have that video up in a few weeks!
Killed it as usual. Great thoughts.
I’m curious if the Epic Evo is worth it as a fast and light trail bike or if it’s better to go with like a Tallboy or something for more aggressive short travel fun? Or a Ripley for that matter.
Giant Trance. Mine is 28lb with dt swiss xmc1501 wheels and gx axs
The Tallboy is in a completely different category than these bikes...
Hey Jason, hope all is well. I was wondering your thoughts between a Revel Ranger and Cannondale Scalpel SE1. I have been waiting for a while to get a short travel bike, and this might be the time with the sale of both bikes right now.
Easy, Cannondale for me! Might be my favorite bike I rode last year... excellent trail manners and just sort of does everything better than expected. That said, I've ridden the Ranger a few times and I liked it too.... just prefer the SE to just about everything else in that category right now! Call Chris at Salt Cycles to get special pricing! 801-943-8502
They look almost identical. So I'd imagine the difference is all in the suspension units.
Are the Epic frames within each year the same, just with different components?
No, they updated the epic in 2024 with updated geo and in frame storage box
I just bought an Epic Evo 7 frame. A mistake? 🤔 The tests I have read were all very good. And the price was very good, too. Greetings from Germany.
Just brought a 2024 Epic Evo Pro Ltd in the Specialized sale. Managed to get 50% off and only paid £4000!
Stumpjumper Expert for 3500 Euro 😁
Jason
Does Tyler’s orange Epic EVO have the flip chip in the high setting? I have my new Epic EVO Pro in the stock low flip chip setting and it doesn’t feel too twitchy to me in my opinion. I’m thinking of flipping the chip to the high setting on my bike to see the difference.
It's probably all about the trails. I have my 2023 S-Works Epic Evo in the high setting and wish there was a higher-er setting lol. My trails must just be lame.
I prefer my Epic EVO in the high setting. Feels more balanced and climbs better with the forward steeper geo. The lo setting feels like I’m off balance and riding off the back.
@@samharris82 I’m in the Hudson Valley of NY and the trails are a nice mix of fast/flowey hardpack and rooty/rocky technical and in the low setting it’s not that twitchy at all IMO.
Are you going to review the new Trance X?
Hey Yum, 'old' Epic EVO vs. Yeti SB120, what do you say? I test rode a SB115 just before buying my 2022 Epic EVO Comp. The Yeti shop could only get the T3 models ($8500) at the time so that made my decision.
The sb120 is in a completely different category….
How much do you think the difference in sketchiness is due to the Rekon on the white bike? I imagine that Rekon provided a lot more grip on the front end... compared to the ground control on the red bike. What's your take on that Jason?
Yeah, it’s probably worth noting. They look very similar when you just compare them side-by-side. But I would imagine there might be a slight bit more volume and traction from the rekon. Ideally, head to head comparisons like this would have control tires.
@@mtbyumyum thanks so much! Currently about to try out the Superior XF 979 RC as my XC steed.... curious to see how this new-to-USA brand will stack up to the exie and epic, etc.
I can’t find any Epic 8s with the smaller Specialized logo on the head tube like yours - they all have a big one. Can you link me to where you got it?
alnk.to/bisjzt1
I'm dying to hear your opinion of the Epic 8 vs. Mach 4SL. I own the M4 and they felt the same in the parking lot cruise I was able to do on the Epic.
Maybe in 2 weeks…. Still resting my knee post surgery 🤘
@@mtbyumyum Excellent! Heal up!
@@mtbyumyum What happened did you get hurt?
Any chance we can pick up hip packs in person?
I think Salt Cycles stocks them…
So if the epic 8 goes from a trail bike to an xc bike only from changing the fox float to Rockshox sidluxe, I wonder what the fox float you took off the epic 8 evo would do to the old epic evo (7) 😎. 45mm stroke is not a problem, my epic 7 has had a 45 mm stroke for 2 years no issues. It will bring the epic evo 7 to 123mm of rear travel.
Interesting. Good feedback. Yeah, the float out back is very nice… would like to try it on the Stumpjumper. Also, the evo tested was with a 130mm fox 34 grip 2
Are there any mods that could be done to the previous epic EVO to bring it closer to the Epic 8?
My buddy just put a Fox 34 in 130 along with a Super Deluxe 120 (45mm stroke) rear shock (hi chip setting with plenty of clearance)and the bike feels noticeably more stable and damped.
I’d say increasing shock from 42.5 to 45 stroke will be helpful. Just ensure travel will not cause a frame knock, but should be good.
My opinion only, SID stuff is a good pairing
@@Jacob99174 Thanks!!
7evo owner here, i wonder what's physically different. Shock+rear triangle update = 8?
Also, tires make a huge difference! Sticky rubber and I've done bike park and whatever nasty on my 7evo.
Frame is completely different. 8 and 8 Evo have internal storage in the down tube, there’s a steering stop built into the headset to.
@@Oh_Sully23 I get that, I mean rear suspension wise only
Well, pivot placement, anti-squat, anti-rise, and progression numbers, and the extra 10mm of travel. GuyKesTV has a good tech review of it.
Wonder what the difference would be if you swapped wheelsets???
I don’t think there is much of a weight difference. The tires are just different and in my mind they were pretty comparable.
@@mtbyumyum I was talking more compliance than weight since the Evo was “pinging” off everything…
Can you do a review on the new “Commencal meta v5”
But would you take it over the scalpel se?!! Great video!
Probably not. That scalpel was a special bike. Really excited to try out the new scalpel that is basically an SE version as standard.
You almost think they updated the old Epic Evo frame and have the name Epic 8 .
I'll be keeping my Epic Evo 7. Too much money for a relatively small improvement in my opinion. I'll wait until they put the framesets on sale before I consider upgrading.
My friend has his epic evo 7 set up just about as good as the epic 8. It’s all about set up. He spent 40% less.
I’ve seen a few comments now about set up. I personally set up both of these bikes. Riding them back to back, there is a stark difference….
Are they set up the same? He has a One up 35mm rise e bike bar and different stem and 2.6 tires
Hey Jason, great comparison as always. As a former Epic Evo 7 owner who moved onto a Trail 429 Enduro, I will say I miss the under-biked personality of the Epic Evo 7 quite a bit. If money was not object I would still have it in the quiver along with my Trail 429 Enduro. The old Epic Evo 7 is great for the days where I want to be on edge a little more or where the trail is flatter and/or less technical.
P.S. This was almost entirely a comparison of the two bikes on the descents, any comparison with climbing (flat pedaling, sustained climbs, technical climbs)? Does the new Epic pedal just as well but provides more insurance on the downs?
Thanks!
Yeah, I think the new epic climbs as well or maybe even better than the old evo
Deflecting off stuff, sharpness, and low grip is more of suspension set up issue. Sounds like you weren’t running enough sag on the old bike.
I set up both these bikes… might have been tires but ultimately, I think Specialized updates to the epic are for the better.
My Epic Evo 7 is insanely precise. Honestly it took me about 100+ miles to really dial it in and get used to it as well. That said, once you do it's a blast... it just takes some time, and new tires!
What tires did you switch to?
I went with a Rekon Race in the back, 2.35, and the the Rekon 2.4 up front! Night and day difference!
Good to know 2.4s fit, I heard they didn’t on the epic evo 7
@@ShaunPinney I ride mine with 2.6 in front. Even better (at low PSI) and lighter than 2.4.
Also I got my Epic Evo from Specialized for 40% off... was like 4k otd with carbon wheels, bars and AXS. Def plenty of deals out there to be had!
8:48 when you almost eat 💩😳😮😅
They already have the stump jumper, now it’s a “trail country” bike between xc and trail…do we really need this much choices lol. It’s true I just bought last years Revel Rail for a really good deal..I don’t need latest models.
I bet you'll like the Santa Cruz Blur TR. I"m wondering how the new Epic Eco 8 compares.
I'd like to get a ride on the blur... I've never ridden one
I'm coming to the opinion that there are only really 2 types of Trailbikes to own. The first are the bikes with 120mm forks like the new Epic or the Spur. The second are the bikes with 160mm forks like the Stumpy Evo or the Yeti SB140 Lunch Ride. Avoid bikes with 130, 140, and 150mm forks. Either go for the light fast snappy 120mm fork bike or go for the slack capable burly 160mm fork bike. The 120mm fork bike is the Gravel, XC, Downcountry bike for long rides on gravel, green, and blue trails. (Yes, with Gravel or XC tires, XC bikes make great Gravelbikes.) The 160mm fork bike is the Trail, All-Mountain, Enduro bike for blue and black trails.
I have an Epic 7 Evo Comp and a Stumpy Evo Expert. I'm not a Specialized fanboy but Specialized has been giving such huge discounts that I couldn't say no. I've almost got two bikes for the price of one. I love both these bikes. With the Epic Evo, I do rides that combine pavement, gravel, and easier singletrack. The Stumpy Evo is for serious singletrack: fast, steep, and rough.
Nail on the head here!!
Depends on the trails you ride and how you want to ride. My 140/130 Stumpjumper is well suited for my local trails and riding style. That’s why I have it. My previous short travel 29 left me wanting but the bigger bikes are too much bike for my trails. The stumpy nails it for me.
Yeah, you're not wrong... a two bike quiver is ideal but most people usually only have 1 mtb
It’s not a race bike. I’m sorry but it’s not. I love specialized bikes and own 3 of them but Trek and Scott are going to have much better XC bikes than specialized. Pains me to say it but you can’t just throw on a Sid fork and call it an XC bike!