Echo SSGN Sub Brief
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The Soviet Union's first nuclear-powered SSGN. Project 659 NATO name Echo.
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Speaking of "wastewater" on K-122 - Google Translate definitely screwed up. On Deepstorm it says: "В реакторном отсеке было по пояс воды с температурой около 60 гр" which translates intp "In the reactor room, there was waist-height water with a temperature of about 60 degrees" Which is 60 C, of course.
oh, good catch. Thank you. Yeah, google is my favorite tool, but sometimes it gets it very wrong.
Oh yeah google translate is ok
_Waist - waste eh same thing comrade!_
- Google, probably
@@SubBrief They closed tube No. 5 somehow and then removed countermeasures from 400mm rear torp. tube. BTW, The captain was relieved, but was reinstated as the captain of the "crew 305" that served on K-201 "Charlie".
Try deepl for translation, I find it gives much better results than Google
Always was interested in this and Echo II class. Looking forward to the Echo II sub brief as well.
That is later this month!
I'm confused, the briefs are posted to Patreon and then to UA-cam?
a lot of content makers do this Patrons get first early access usually without ads then after a period they get put on UA-cam for non patrons :)
Worked with a son of a Soviet Submarine designer during this era. He said his father was embarrassed by their submarines and was ashamed of himself.
Hmmm, Blocking your Tubes with trash...? 🙄 how embarrassing Comrade ! 🤔
I honestly expect that event was the straw that broke the Captain's career.
Your videos are fascinating. As someone who knows almost nothing about sub, it just makes me appreciate how critical it is to get the engineering right and how import the actual construction and maintenance of these vessels is. A thousand things could go wrong, but it only takes one issue to really impact its future.
Yes, there's a big reason that submarine sailors are seen as an elite, and why dolphins mean so much to us.
My Thresher alarm is going off reading that 🤦🧰
The sub at 6:20 as actually an Echo 1 after conversion to an SSN. The exhaust ports for the missile launchers have been welded over.
Just a small nitpick. The reactors are called VM-A. The cyrillic letter for V is B, so VM-A would be spelled BM-A in Russian.
Even though the service life was pretty unimpressive, in concept, they were the best way forward for submarine based nuclear deterrence at a time when ballistic missiles were still maturing. US went the same route with the Halibut and the Grayback class.
Yes, the Grayback and Halibut classes had about the same length of service, then got rolled over to various special projects. Halibut got turned into a spy sub, Grayback got assigned to diver ops.
Thanks Saturnax!! Thanks Capt Jive
Great lecture. Perfect material to listen to on my drive home from work. Looking forward to the Sub Briefs on the echo 2and hotel classes
I was a P-3 acoustic system operator in the 70s and 80s. I have chased these boats a few times. They were painfully noisy. But then the acoustics in the south china sea is usually very bad. HEN class could run turbo gear reduction or Turbo Generator or run the shaft on batteries. They had a Motor/Generator in the drive train with a clutch on both sides of the Motor/Generator. The problem was that they had to run with enough RPM on one or both shafts to maintain hotel power. Really noisy and a very distinct signature when running split plant ( one TGR and one Turbo Generator ). In decent water they were very easy to detect and track.
This explains why they were called the Echo class.With their noise they also made echo.😂
Great info . So the Soviets took a German Type XXI (modified) and equipped it with Nuclear armed V- 1 rockets . They in essence created the same fear that the US had with a potential strike against the East Coast that never materialized in 1945.
Not too far from the US SSG classes.
@@ScottKenny1978 Correct, this is the same generation weapon as Regulus, with the same operational restrictions.
@@jwenting and the same very short operational life as an SSG.
When talking about fire suppression I've heard you use the term Freon on more than this video, are you actually referring to Halon? Freon is a trademarked name owned by Dupont referring to refrigerants. R-12, R-22, R-134 etc. Freon when introduced to an open flame turns into Phosgene. Which is basically a Chlorine gas like those used in W.W. I Halon is a gas I've seen in large Electrical and Server rooms to remove the Oxygen and put out the fire. Freon also displaces Oxygen but turns to Phosgene when exposed to an open flame.
to be fair, if someone is in the room which the fire suppression system was activated in the least of their problems would be the phosgene.
@@testaccount4191 Your dieing either way if you can't get outside. Just doesn't make sense to add poison gas into the equation ☠☠☠
@@dscary1837 the ability to put out the fire quickly is a lot more important than extra toxic gasses in the atmosphere.
You're going to be wearing a respirator for a long time, anyways.
@@ScottKenny1978 If you have access to and time to put on a respirator. Don't know if you've ever had the experience of inhaling Phosgene, I have. If you ever do have that experience you will never forget how it burns your lungs and you hope your not going to die. (Hope you never do) The presence of this reaction should definatly effect your ability to put on your protective gear.
@@dscary1837 at least on a US sub, there's about a dozen times more respirators than there are crew. Crew's Mess alone has enough for everyone to grab one, plus one at each bunk, etc ad nauseam. You're literally never more than about 10 feet from a respirator.
I don't think the Russians would have significantly fewer masks, given the investment required for training the crew.
Once the fire is out and it's safe to be at periscope depth, the preferred means of ventilating the ship is the diesel. Big 2-stroke moves about 7500 cubic feet of air per minute.
But you're still going to spend half the day in those masks due to ventilation half-lives.
Have you watched Jive's whiteboard on submarine fires? You have about 30sec to put on a respirator or you're dead anyways.
Hmm. As a retired SSSA instructor I'm wondering about the ECHO I (SSN/SSAN) -vs- the ECHO II (SSGN) Refresh my memory, please but I recall the ECHO SSN came first but the SSGN version was laid down before the ECHO SSN was completed. Perhaps you could clarify that there are two versions of the ECHO. There had been an attack boat version and a guided missile boat version.
'Fire in the engine room!'
Russian submariners: 'Again?'
Seems like they build the subs from black powder or something even more easily burning. Rename the sub from Echo to Torch class.
More Soviet "Rock,paper,scissors" amongst the crew to see who wins the firefighting duty in the engine room.
Yep the Soviet era submarines had a tremendous issue with fires onboard their subs. Sorry their damage control training and equipment was far inferior to the West. Seems as if the spare time not actually on watch was consumed by the Zamapolt, the Communist Party Officer onboard EVERY vessel. Follow Soviet era accidents at sea and see how often a simple easily corrected issue lead to the loss of the vessel.
As opposed to the USN just running 3 drills a day of fire in the engineroom...
@Lawofimprobability rode boats for best part of 2 decades and if the old Soviet Boats had a O2 generator system similar to what we used they DEMANDED attention in great detail and care, their nickname was "The Bomb". When you break down pure water into oxygen and hydrogen, you got to do it right as any mistake makes a massive explosion.
nice keep it up . could you do one on Project 651, known in the West by its NATO reporting name Juliett class. please
Pleaaaase
Thanks to all who have contributed photos, info and insights. This is a wonderful channel.
Many thanks!
Why don't you make Videos on American Subs, Don't they have Glorious Service Records.
Here i am, playing Cold Waters south china sea again, and you are the culprit, hahahah, what else can i say? oh yes, i have MrAntifun chained in the torpedo room, who works like a battalion of mini-chinese full of cocaine. Hell yeah, God bless this guy!!!.
Always a great video, served USMC respect always for the silent service.
Much appreciated!
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Hello comrade. You can do crash video about the sub " Kursk" ( К - 429) ? In my country ( I'm from Russia) this crash - the national tragedy still...
I'm sorry for my bad inglis.
Warm greetings from America my friend! I'm very happy that the Russian and American people can be friends now even though our political leaders still act stupidly most of the time!
@@loganmpe7559 Ты прав , товарищ! You're right , comrade!
@@loganmpe7559 Comrade , believe, the day will come when our peoples will unite and put an end to all wars on Earth.
I'm an American submariner. The Kursk disaster haunts *us,* my friend.
@@ScottKenny1978 There are many disaster theories . I personally think it was an accident. A terrible technical failure , which could not have been predicted or calculated . It is especially insulting for the guys who were burned to death in the ninth compartment. The rest of the crew died quickly , in contrast for them. When the missile cruiser " Peter the Great" discovered " Kursk" at the bottom , there was already no one to save...
20:40 "We do not canshel operashens becush of accshedents."
I was living in Russia when the Kursk went down - it was a national tragedy. Frankly it was hard to watch.
I had to laugh at the sub using the torpedo tube to eject trash!
Sounds like the old war movies submarine ruse to feign wreckage by ejecting trash & oil.
Not a bad idea actually. Fewer hull penetrations than having a dedicated ejector system.
@@NorthForkFisherman at the cost of having to clean the gunk out of the torpedo tube...
@@ScottKenny1978 Someone's always at Mast for something, neh?
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To my knowledge the P5 dosen't need a jump start. It has a turbojet that has to spin up just before launch while the sub is on the surface. This is also one of the reasons the missile takes so long to launch. During takeoff both rockets and the turbojet are working.
It seems that both the Soviet Union and the USN (Regulus) went through a similar program then dropped it for SSBN. There seems to be conceptual and practical convergence.
Yes, the US ones had a very long setup time on the surface. Some 30 minutes or more to get the birds out of their hangar and ready for flight.
Great lecture again - thanks v much. I got awesome technical drawings of soviet nuclear subs in Russian book(s) but the text is in Russian so I’ve no hope there! I didn’t realise these guys were all converted to SSN - I presumed that was just a variant. And I didn’t no that all those first gen subs had the same propulsion either... fascinating stuff! All told with your usual flair. I look forward to the Echo 2! Cheers captain
I'm surprised that they used WW2 vintage machine gun RP-46 (7.62×54R ammo). I think they used some more modern gun (PK machine gun for example), that uses the same ammo.
The Army usually has first dibs on new guns.
There were still M14 rifles onboard US ships in the 1990s, 30 years after the Army went to the M16.
I have a Brezhnev joke. Wanna hear it?
Thanks saturnax. How much for your harddrive? 😜
H-E-N class
Hotel
Echo
November
Same powerplants, same engineering, similar design, shared equipment
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Troller sank? US Submarines have sunk quite a few tug boats and one Japanese Training ship.
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So its first test firing didn't work, on the second the missile was damaged on its way out...surely they tested the missile system before it found its way into a submarine?!
Thank you Saturnax!
"To their credit, they didn't build 6" ... LOL!!!! That's funny.
That photo showing missile launch from aft is interesting. Would that comms mast have been damaged?
Jive, don't forget that the US ended up building 5 total SSG/SSGNs before the SSBNs came online, too.
2x converted Fleet boats (Tunny and Barbero), 2x Grayback SSGs, and the Halibut SSGN.
Why was the successor to the Echo, SSG's instead of SSGN's?
Looking forward to your report about the Echo II.
6 tons of oil.. are you sure the sub isn't just a oil transport system?
Danke Saturnax!! Cheers Capt. Jive.
Deep storm is great if you can read Russian.
I've watched your sub briefs about the Victor SSNs, and you have talked about how noisy they were, especially the Victor-1s. How noisy were they compared to the Type 1 Echos, Novembers, and Hotels?
Not as loud.
Going on patrol every four years. Are these figure accurate? What does that tell us about Russian reliability?
Those deployments are the public record. If they do other ops, they don't say.
you mentioned when the p-5 launches from a surfaced sub, theres a rocket ignition that jumpstarts the turbojet engine. what sort of failsafes are in place if the turbojet doesnt start?
You mean so that the warhead doesn't go off when the missile crashes into the water?
Nuclear weapons take a lot of specific steps to go off, a plane crashing into a mountain at 500mph will not set one off.
Just a little info: Pyterka means five
in diminutive form, so more like "Fivey" or "Fiver"
Very good video
But no videos about diesel Juliet class?
She is a smaller sister of Echo.
Juliet ran away with Romeo
Rifle ammo stored in the engine room? Glad I was not a soviet sailor
Post 9-11, they added a lot more stuff to the load out of US subs, including a small arms locker in the engineroom.
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Has the 🇺🇸 got better electricians?
Or are fires on subs just part of the deal? Does cutting cost cause all the russian fires?
Im just wondering how many missions/patrols do Soviet submarines perform per year ?
Thanks Saturnax! Thanks Jive for another great presentation. Thoroughly enjoyed.
Great video and pictures thanks Jive and Saturnax
Do you have a video detailing the various differences in and the history of submarine periscopes?
no.
Usually referred to as "hen class" by sonar on US subs
H.E.N. classes are Hotel, Echo and November. All Type One Soviet nuclear subs.
@@SubBrief yeah I know i spent the decade of the 80s underwater.
I was a sonar supe
@@SubBrief they told me I was going to go to shore duty & I didn't have a choice.
I loved being a supe. I didn't want to teach. So I got out.
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Sub Brief!!!!!
This is a great video
Did NATO ever sent assassins to take out the soviet submarine top designers/engineers?
Not that we'd ever admit it, but I doubt it.
Problem is they would send theirs.
You got it wrong the Echo is a SSN and the Echo II is the SSGN. Basically they would have been a target. As for the SS-N-3 Shaddock you need to go back to school on that system, it was also employed on surface platforms also, this missile is a little more sophisticated than you describe.
It was, it had many versions, but it also had a shelf-life and went to be "morally obsolete" as strategic weapon.
@@docnele the SSN-3 was around as a anti ship weapon system for quite a while. Yes it was behind the times as compared to the West, but it was fielded in the anti ship inventory up and thru the 80's. The system did work well if not defeated by Electronic Counter Measures, and then it was easy to defeat.
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