@@TheHuntsman42 ah, the fish becomes a torpedo. But decoy stays decoy? But with salmon and trout, believe it or not, you really have to seduce the fish to bite.
The corruption on the Pakistani side (that decided the deal in favour of the French/Agosta-90B instead of four ex-RN Upholders that were favoured) was on the part of the Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and her Finance Minister/husband Asif Ali Zardari. They were the ones receiving the kickbacks on the Pakistani side. This is well-documented. When the Chirac halted the kickbacks, Zardari was out for revenge, and the French engineers paid the price for that. (Curiously the French never seized his French chateau in revenge though, so they clearly tried to hush all this up as far as responsibility). Turkey has had nothing to do with installing the Babur SLCM on the Agosta-90B. That part of the upgrade is solely Pakistan's doing. It was developed before Turkey won the upgrade deal for which the French (half-heartedly) also competed. The two additional MESMA AIP units have been in Pakistan for some time. So Khalid and Saad will be upgraded with the AIP module if not already.
Bévéziers is the French name of Beachy Head, off the coast of South England, where one of the biggest naval battle of the age of the sailing navy took place in 1690. There, the French royal fleet, lead by admiral Anne Hillarion de Costentin de Tourville, better known under his short name Tourville, defeated an allied English and Dutch fleet. Actually, each of the four French Agosta SSK in named after a significant naval battle. By the way, the name of the fourth submarine is Ouessant, not Quessant.
Fun fact: In the early 90's, at the Spanish Navy's Officers Club in Cartagena (home base of the Spanish Navy's submarines which were equipped with a locally built AGOSTA type of boats), they had a poster of the USS NIMITZ in the periscope crosshairs. BTW...stop reading from Wikipedia, all 4 of the Spanish Navy's Agusta subs are OUT OF COMMISSION.
You did not get it right, Balladur was Prime Minister and opposing the other right wing candidate Jacques Chirac (then Mayor of Paris). As Prime minister he was in charge of government and was going to run for president against Chirac. Chirac won and had a great way to give a taste of his own medicine to his former rival. This was possible because the centre left socialist party of late president Mitterrand (the cancer ridden president at the time of the sale to Pakistan) was in a succession dispute. This has been one of the worst cases of occult financing of political campaigns in France (well until Sarkozy got bought over by Khadafi).
The Royal Navy also used the Excocet (MM38 variant) on some of it's County Class Destroyers, Type 21 Frigates, and the Type 22 Frigates. The Royal Navy used them from before the Falklands War up until 2002. A surprising omission from the list of users/operators! SS Atlantic Conveyor, a merchant ship (one part of Cunard's contribution to the consortium of Atlantic Container Line) and a STUFT (Ship Taken Up From Trade), was hit and destroyed (sinking a few days later) by two Exocet missiles during the Falklands War, on Argentina's National Day (25th May). Her Captain (Ian North) and several others (both civilian and military) died. This was the same day HMS Coventry was bombed and sunk by 1000lb bombs we had originally supplied to Argentina.
PNS Hamza has been delivered. The 2nd sub was updated in Pak, its i think is in sea trails. 3rd right now is in upgradation mode in Pakistan. Oh BTW France's Naval Group was also running the race for upgradation of these subs, they weren't entrusted this time.
More like France said no to any defence deal or upgrade ones to Pakistan due to the threat given to French nationals in Pakistan and the removal of Ambassador. Due to Charlie Hebdo case.
Interesting sub brief. When these sub arrive in french navy, the only diesel boat we had where Narval class (end 50's) and Daphne Class (end of 60'). They where very good for Intel mission. Some additions : La Praya serve at the end of her life as a platform for pump jet experimentation. The sonar Dsuv 22 has good détection capacity but the audio is to "metallic". Too many filter and heterodyning (not sure of the english word).
Thank you. For the superb video. And of course, mentioning the Agosta Submarine Muzeum in Malaysia. It is located in Malacca. The Malacca Port was famous 550 years ago. And the usual case attracted the Europeans. The Portugis captured it in 1511, then the Dutch, British, the Japanese in WW2 dan back to the British. And finally, back to Malaya/Malaysia in 1957.
It's Closed-Loop because the oxygen is coming from the bottled oxygen, and not from atmospheric oxygen. You could (and often do) have a gas recirculation loop in atmospheric internal combustion engines, that takes the combustion gasses and puts them back into the combustion chamber at a certain percentage which ensures that combustion is as complete as possible, but you can't just keep running *that* part in a closed loop, because you'd use up the oxygen and fuel and build up exhaust that would eventually be impossible to combust, and it does show in the diagram that it's still discharging (presumably overboard) CO2 and water after passing through the heat exchanger.
Jive Turkey. What are your thoughts on 60 Minutes Australia/ War with China: How Close are we? Side note, Russia invades Ukraine (again) with a Full Army this time and then that would leave a perfect Opportunity for China to take Taiwan…. What do you think are the chances of that happening? Thanks for all great info. Semper Fi Maddog
Balladur wasn't the President ( Head of State) but the Prime Minister. President then was François Mitterrand. The two were from to opposing political parties.
By the way, there was also huge commission and murdering behind the French-Malaysia Scorpene submarine deal in 2000s. Altantuya Sharriibbu, a model , was murdered by the guards of Deputy prime minister and Defense minister Mohd Najib and her body was destroyed by C4 dynamite. the mistress of a middleman Razak Baginda, one ex-Malaysia defense advisor who involved in the Scorpene submarine deal, and Mohd Najib was also involved.
The French-Taiwan Lafayette frigates sales in early 1990s was also interesting, involving major scandals, high commissions and cost of lives, one colonel of Taiwan (ROC) Navy was murdered in 1993, at least half of dozen Frenches involved died for some reasons. The first time the scandal revealed was in 1996 due to a lawsuit between Thomson co. and a middleman about the commission in the Taiwan frigate deal, then the investigation started . It also led to the largest international arbitration lawsuit between Taiwan and French in 2000s.
Iraqi fighter aircrafts (Mirage F1 and Super Etendard) couldn't carry more than one Exocet at the time. It was a modified Dassault Falcon which fired the 2. The Argentinian Exocet didn't sink the Sheffield, it just disabled her (so far no modern antiship missile ever sink a ship, they just put them out of combat capacity). The Sheffield go down 6 days after being hit.
@@jochenheiden It was more the non damage control and bad weather. Crew came 5 times aboard during the 6 days and did nothing to cover the hole on the upper hull, this could have prevented the water from the waves to fill the ship.
@@jochenheiden Torpedoes historically are the only one which sunk ships in modern history. Missiles and mines only disabled ships. To sink a ship you need to make a hole big enough under the hull so water can fill it to a point she is not buoyant anymore.
The Israeli Destroyer INS Eilat was sunk by the Egyptian navy using SS-N-2 Styx missiles. It was not just put out of action, it was outright sunk. Harpoon missiles have also sunk several ships, so your statement about no missile ever sinking a ship is wrong.
@@schr75 I said modern history. The Eliat was a WW2 ship took 3 missiles to sunk her. The Harpoon, well patrol boat under 200 tons and the Iranian Vosper Avland class frigate from the 60. Western countries doctrine use of antiship missiles is only to disable ship. If you want to sunk them use heavyweight torpedoes.
It makes me actually feel better that France paid such a horrible price for dealing with Pakistan though I feel for these engineers families. You deal with scumbags and this is what you get. Like hurt.
@@adrien5834 Pakistan stole live usa tomahawk cruise missile to create babur missile . This happened in clinton days . Pakistani took one live missile( failed to explode) from Balochistan then they reverse engineer it. how interesting is that . 😂😂🤣🤣
Just watching this Pakistani acquisition of these Agosta subs, which I am very much against as the Indian people did not need this, I am now watching the French get very butt hurt because of our recent deal with Australia. Was this going to be a further Agosta sale? So we give them what? Our nuclear attack sub?
Im angry as a concerned citizen of Australia that we entered into a submarine deal with a French consortium with a history of shady business practices. Thank goodness we have a new deal elsewhere but at substantial costs.
But for now, you don't have any deal for any subs (except the Collins) If you believe your military industry, or the US one, don't have an history of shady deals too, you're in for a surprise mate XD And why exactly were you concerned or angry about ? The media lying to you ?
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"The decoy tries to seduce the torpedo."
Well, that's honestly a sentence I'd never thought I'd hear, and I'm subscribed to OnlySubs.
You are obviously not a fly fisher xD
@@juliusraben3526 you fly fish for torpedos?
@@TheHuntsman42 ah, the fish becomes a torpedo. But decoy stays decoy?
But with salmon and trout, believe it or not, you really have to seduce the fish to bite.
A sonarman really loves to “be in the baffles”.
Decoy uses The Torpedo VOICE.
As a French I appreciate you delving on a French design, you just earned a subscriber.
The one putting the hand in the shoulder is now the big boss of the academy of submariners in Cartagena. Nice person.
Hey did I miss an announcement about the 12 Subs of Christmas or something? Loving the daily content!
I think he backs up his patreon videos on yt at the end of the year.
The corruption on the Pakistani side (that decided the deal in favour of the French/Agosta-90B instead of four ex-RN Upholders that were favoured) was on the part of the Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and her Finance Minister/husband Asif Ali Zardari. They were the ones receiving the kickbacks on the Pakistani side. This is well-documented. When the Chirac halted the kickbacks, Zardari was out for revenge, and the French engineers paid the price for that. (Curiously the French never seized his French chateau in revenge though, so they clearly tried to hush all this up as far as responsibility).
Turkey has had nothing to do with installing the Babur SLCM on the Agosta-90B. That part of the upgrade is solely Pakistan's doing. It was developed before Turkey won the upgrade deal for which the French (half-heartedly) also competed. The two additional MESMA AIP units have been in Pakistan for some time. So Khalid and Saad will be upgraded with the AIP module if not already.
Bévéziers is the French name of Beachy Head, off the coast of South England, where one of the biggest naval battle of the age of the sailing navy took place in 1690. There, the French royal fleet, lead by admiral Anne Hillarion de Costentin de Tourville, better known under his short name Tourville, defeated an allied English and Dutch fleet. Actually, each of the four French Agosta SSK in named after a significant naval battle. By the way, the name of the fourth submarine is Ouessant, not Quessant.
LOL Quessant no! it's Ouessant with an O
Fun fact: In the early 90's, at the Spanish Navy's Officers Club in Cartagena (home base of the Spanish Navy's submarines which were equipped with a locally built AGOSTA type of boats), they had a poster of the USS NIMITZ in the periscope crosshairs. BTW...stop reading from Wikipedia, all 4 of the Spanish Navy's Agusta subs are OUT OF COMMISSION.
This brief is old. He's just making it available to non-members and non-patrons.
I was very glad to hear you mention in detail, the corruption dealings between French and Pakistanis.
You did not get it right, Balladur was Prime Minister and opposing the other right wing candidate Jacques Chirac (then Mayor of Paris). As Prime minister he was in charge of government and was going to run for president against Chirac. Chirac won and had a great way to give a taste of his own medicine to his former rival. This was possible because the centre left socialist party of late president Mitterrand (the cancer ridden president at the time of the sale to Pakistan) was in a succession dispute. This has been one of the worst cases of occult financing of political campaigns in France (well until Sarkozy got bought over by Khadafi).
I was about to post a similar note, but there you go, this comment above describes the correct background story about Balladur
Yes ! Finally a Sub brief on a french sub !
Balladur was never the french president, he was a first minister of the President Mitterand
The Royal Navy also used the Excocet (MM38 variant) on some of it's County Class Destroyers, Type 21 Frigates, and the Type 22 Frigates. The Royal Navy used them from before the Falklands War up until 2002. A surprising omission from the list of users/operators!
SS Atlantic Conveyor, a merchant ship (one part of Cunard's contribution to the consortium of Atlantic Container Line) and a STUFT (Ship Taken Up From Trade), was hit and destroyed (sinking a few days later) by two Exocet missiles during the Falklands War, on Argentina's National Day (25th May). Her Captain (Ian North) and several others (both civilian and military) died. This was the same day HMS Coventry was bombed and sunk by 1000lb bombs we had originally supplied to Argentina.
...yeah we know.
PNS Hamza has been delivered. The 2nd sub was updated in Pak, its i think is in sea trails. 3rd right now is in upgradation mode in Pakistan. Oh BTW France's Naval Group was also running the race for upgradation of these subs, they weren't entrusted this time.
More like France said no to any defence deal or upgrade ones to Pakistan due to the threat given to French nationals in Pakistan and the removal of Ambassador. Due to Charlie Hebdo case.
@@sublimefermion2205 sweet heart! you can Google this contract. These French run behind money.
Interesting sub brief.
When these sub arrive in french navy, the only diesel boat we had where Narval class (end 50's) and Daphne Class (end of 60').
They where very good for Intel mission.
Some additions :
La Praya serve at the end of her life as a platform for pump jet experimentation.
The sonar Dsuv 22 has good détection capacity but the audio is to "metallic".
Too many filter and heterodyning (not sure of the english word).
IIRC the Malaysian training sub is part of the Scropene sub deal
Great way for Turkey to throw shade at France. The passive aggressive cat fight continues...
Thank you for all the hard work Aaron! I truly enjoy your content.
Please cover scorpene class french ssk's
The third one will be nuclear and called the Hazmat
I see what you did there
Thank you. For the superb video. And of course, mentioning the Agosta Submarine Muzeum in Malaysia. It is located in Malacca. The Malacca Port was famous 550 years ago. And the usual case attracted the Europeans. The Portugis captured it in 1511, then the Dutch, British, the Japanese in WW2 dan back to the British. And finally, back to Malaya/Malaysia in 1957.
Barracuda class next?
MESMA AIP retrofitted in Khalid and Saad 2011
Ooh, Finally a French sub!
Edit: Balladur was the Prime Minister (think Vice President, kinda), not President.
No, the best equivalent is Chief of Staff at the white house, essential cabinet position coordinating all others.
Could get a bit confusing if the italians radio it in. "We heard agosta". Gonna sound like luigis mansion.
It's Closed-Loop because the oxygen is coming from the bottled oxygen, and not from atmospheric oxygen. You could (and often do) have a gas recirculation loop in atmospheric internal combustion engines, that takes the combustion gasses and puts them back into the combustion chamber at a certain percentage which ensures that combustion is as complete as possible, but you can't just keep running *that* part in a closed loop, because you'd use up the oxygen and fuel and build up exhaust that would eventually be impossible to combust, and it does show in the diagram that it's still discharging (presumably overboard) CO2 and water after passing through the heat exchanger.
Your detail is amazing. Love your channel.
Spanish Augustas are named after types of wind.
Christmas comes early this year it is raining sub brief`s!! Scorpene, Sinpo, Agosta in a few day`s.. Impressive!!
Jive Turkey. What are your thoughts on 60 Minutes Australia/ War with China: How Close are we?
Side note, Russia invades Ukraine (again) with a Full Army this time and then that would leave a perfect Opportunity for China to take Taiwan…. What do you think are the chances of that happening?
Thanks for all great info.
Semper Fi
Maddog
According to assessments it would take China over 2 years to take Taiwan, but only if the US and other allies stayed out of the conflict.
Informative!
Balladur wasn't the President ( Head of State) but the Prime Minister. President then was François Mitterrand.
The two were from to opposing political parties.
Can you do a programme on the Astute SSN.
By the way, there was also huge commission and murdering behind the French-Malaysia Scorpene submarine deal in 2000s. Altantuya Sharriibbu, a model , was murdered by the guards of Deputy prime minister and Defense minister Mohd Najib and her body was destroyed by C4 dynamite. the mistress of a middleman Razak Baginda, one ex-Malaysia defense advisor who involved in the Scorpene submarine deal, and Mohd Najib was also involved.
The French-Taiwan Lafayette frigates sales in early 1990s was also interesting, involving major scandals, high commissions and cost of lives, one colonel of Taiwan (ROC) Navy was murdered in 1993, at least half of dozen Frenches involved died for some reasons. The first time the scandal revealed was in 1996 due to a lawsuit between Thomson co. and a middleman about the commission in the Taiwan frigate deal, then the investigation started . It also led to the largest international arbitration lawsuit between Taiwan and French in 2000s.
Hi !
Balladur has never been president
Spain built her own Agostas at the Cartagena shipyard.
Cartagena is about 450km form Gibraltar - thats a bit more than "just inside"
nice video could do more french subs briefs ?
My National Security Policy professor always said if there was a nuclear war in our lifetime it would be between India and Pakistan
in the lower left photo, with the diving officer touching the shoulder of the sailor, it looks like a doll between the 3 gauges? Thanks again.
It's the Virgen del Carmel (Lady of Mount Carmel) patron saint of the Spanish navy.
@@nepnep2010 Thank You. My knowledge is increasing.
Was the Agosta the best diesel boat on the market in the 80s though ? I thought it was the Kilo.
Iraqi fighter aircrafts (Mirage F1 and Super Etendard) couldn't carry more than one Exocet at the time. It was a modified Dassault Falcon which fired the 2.
The Argentinian Exocet didn't sink the Sheffield, it just disabled her (so far no modern antiship missile ever sink a ship, they just put them out of combat capacity).
The Sheffield go down 6 days after being hit.
@@jochenheiden It was more the non damage control and bad weather. Crew came 5 times aboard during the 6 days and did nothing to cover the hole on the upper hull, this could have prevented the water from the waves to fill the ship.
@@jochenheiden Torpedoes historically are the only one which sunk ships in modern history. Missiles and mines only disabled ships.
To sink a ship you need to make a hole big enough under the hull so water can fill it to a point she is not buoyant anymore.
The Israeli Destroyer INS Eilat was sunk by the Egyptian navy using SS-N-2 Styx missiles. It was not just put out of action, it was outright sunk. Harpoon missiles have also sunk several ships, so your statement about no missile ever sinking a ship is wrong.
Atlantic Conveyor was sunk by an Exocet.
@@schr75 I said modern history. The Eliat was a WW2 ship took 3 missiles to sunk her. The Harpoon, well patrol boat under 200 tons and the Iranian Vosper Avland class frigate from the 60. Western countries doctrine use of antiship missiles is only to disable ship. If you want to sunk them use heavyweight torpedoes.
Weird. France has boats ?
Qui
i was not expecting to see baladure in an american video.
wow :D
he never has been president tho , just minister
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Is this a rehash or new ship video?
New
Sharing a rack is one of the least appealing aspects of submarine service.
France never learns. Karachi. Hebdo. Bataclan. Careful who you decide to let join you at the table.
It makes me actually feel better that France paid such a horrible price for dealing with Pakistan though I feel for these engineers families. You deal with scumbags and this is what you get. Like hurt.
Huh. You are aware Pakistan has a ton of American weapons, right, mister "Americanus"?
@@adrien5834 Pakistan stole live usa tomahawk cruise missile to create babur missile . This happened in clinton days . Pakistani took one live missile( failed to explode) from Balochistan then they reverse engineer it. how interesting is that . 😂😂🤣🤣
Personally, I would sink that most modern sub one day for killing my engineers, just some deep place and nobody sees it again.
Just watching this Pakistani acquisition of these Agosta subs, which I am very much against as the Indian people did not need this, I am now watching the French get very butt hurt because of our recent deal with Australia. Was this going to be a further Agosta sale? So we give them what? Our nuclear attack sub?
“People from that part of the world”? Seriously, dude, you are way more intelligent than that.
🩸🩸Mistral?!?!? 😆 🤣🤣🤣
The name of a wind near the Alps, iirc
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Im angry as a concerned citizen of Australia that we entered into a submarine deal with a French consortium with a history of shady business practices. Thank goodness we have a new deal elsewhere but at substantial costs.
But for now, you don't have any deal for any subs (except the Collins)
If you believe your military industry, or the US one, don't have an history of shady deals too, you're in for a surprise mate XD
And why exactly were you concerned or angry about ? The media lying to you ?