Delta II SSBN Sub Brief
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2021
- he Delta II-class submarine was a large ballistic missile submarine designed to remedy shortcomings in the Delta I-class submarine. The new type of Delta received additional missile tubes, quieting measures including having the steam turbines mounted on shock absorbers, having all pipes and hydraulics separated from the hull through rubber insulation, and a special hydro acoustic coating being applied to the hull.
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Everyone talks Typhoons due to their individual size, but the Deltas were the real backbone of the Soviet ballistic missile submarine fleet of the 80s and 90s as well as Russian fleet to this day. I take that as a testament to the superiority of their design compared to Typhoons (cost-effectiveness and maintainability being their decicive advantages).
There's a reason that after the last major war the US got rid of everything that was a light cruiser or destroyer besides carriers. Having gigantic warships is fine when your budget is basically infinite and they might give even a slight advantage, but ultimately peace time requirements dictate a cheap, reliable, low-maintanance force.
They typhoon always seemed like a political symbol for their submarine force rather than an honest strategic weapon.
@@thundercactusot true. The Soviets had a genuine advantage with the typhoon rather than without it, due to it being able to launch the largest SLBM in the soviet navy. It was an excellent submarine and excellent deterrence; there’s no two ways about that
@@Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here Far more impressive on paper than it ever was in theatre. Ergo; political weapon.
@@thundercactus you are confusing the typhoon with the Alfa class, THAT was a political weapon. The typhoon was a moving missile platform that could wallow in russian water yet still be just as dangerous as if it were anywhere else, and there’s nothing political about that. Don’t tell me you are going to call the Ohio class or Borei class a political weapon too
Sounds like the Delta IIs had good crews for pretty much their entire careers, and good build quality. The only casualties you mentioned were one on sea trials (which is kind of the whole reason for *doing* sea trials, to find all the problems that need fixing), and one due to an ice floe collision--things that could happen to any boat. It's always nice hearing a Sub Brief for a boomer where the entire class had an essentially uneventful, routine life.
I’ve been watching so many Sub Brief videos lately that I heard the sump pump come on for our pool build and thought, geez that’s loud, walked over and read the pump label that listed it ran at 60 Hz…just want to thank you for the white board vids and giving me the skills to track, identify, and put a firing solution on this loud SOB 😆
Well everything in the us is at 60 Hz 60 Hz is the AC electrical frequency we use
Another icon of the cold war. Always loved the menacing lines of this beast. Maybe you could explained in more detail the SS-N-8 missile; targeting, preparation to launch, tactics and capabilities (and limitations).
I enjoy so much this western sub vessels series.
During my young age, magazines and books only published a "guess" about what those machines look like, what were their operational envelope and performances.
Sure armed forces knew each others force vectors.
But watching these videos now is just fantastic. The longer they get, more they have my attention.
i see new sub brief about soviet submarines and thats enough to make me happy. thanks!
Glad you like them!
I hope we never run out of subs to brief. I love these videos.
I have 2022 already full of planned lectures.
You have me addicted to submarines now. The mrs loves me spitting missile specs at the dinner table 🤣
What about at bedtime? "Incoming torpedo..."
@@chraffis endex endex endex
@@chraffis Raise periscope?
We were doing a full power run at about 27 kts for about 1/2 an hour when the Captain decides to do a head count & we came up 1 sailor short. We did a 180° looking for him overboard while they searched the ship. When they found him sleeping in a triced up rack they brought him to the bridge. Boy the Captain was not happy with him, explaining how much fuel we had just burned looking for him.
Another excellent brief !
They definetly have an iconic design. Thx for shining some more light on this class. Nice to see that it didnt kill as many of its Crew as some older ones :)
Every time one of these goes to YT I watch it and I'm thinking the whole time "hey this seems familiar" then remember that I am a patron.
Another great brief brother, thank you
The Typhoons were definitely awe inspiring warships that were massive compared to other subs and even many surface warships. They were the poster child of the Soviet Submarine Forces in the West during the Cold War. With only 6 built over 15 years, there were only ever a few of them in service and active at any point in time. It was the Deltas and others that were the workhorses of the Soviet Submarine Force.
Thank you JB.
Love Sub briefs😍Thank you!
Comprehensive Analysis!
Cool story, thanks
Spring rubbers should be standard issue to sailors on shore leave!! :)
I'm a simple man. Sub brief posts a submarine video and at that point nothing else matters in my life.
thanks man.
As a Brit I always wonder why fair weather planes? what do they give that fore planes don't? I've always thought fore planes would give far better depth control
My expectation is that you can get a much larger surface area with fairwater planes. Especially with more surface area away from the hull where water flow will be disturbed. The main downside is likely the extra ease of damaging them when operating under ice. So more recent designs are willing to put up with the trade off of harder to damage but less effective. And just adapt the operational processes to minimise the impact.
Crazy that these missiles use liquid fuel. Polaris, Poseidon, and Tridents were solid fueled if I'm not mistaken. Seems like a much more volatile storage situation.
As the series evolves into Delta III and Delta IV, you will see an improvement in rocket technology.
TLDR: Soviets developed something too fast with not enough money and ended up with something incredibly dangerous, and *surprise* lots of people died.
Russia had actually looked into solid fuel rockets before the US did. But the US had the funding to do bilateral development of solid fuel and liquid fuel. Obviously, if they could make solid fuel energy dense enough, it's storage properties make it IMMENSELY desirable.
I believe the Soviets wanted a solution "right now", and liquid fuels were just providing way better performance in early development over solid fuels, so they ran with it. Everyone sort of started into kerosene and liquid oxygen, but oxygen needs to be cryogenic to be liquid, which is a huge logistical problem for Russia.
So the Soviets found a solution that worked really well; UDMH and N2O4. Major advantage being these are both liquid for a wide margin around room temperature, remain stable for a long period of time under various conditions, and are hypergolic (meaning they DEFLAGRATE when they mix) so no starter is required.
Downside being that UDMH is extremely toxic, caustic, carcinogenic, INSANELY reactive to just about everything, and basically melts any living tissue it comes into contact with.
And N2O4 is a ridiculously powerful oxidizer, and will absolutely destroy your lungs if you inhale just a little bit of it.
Neat funfact; when you mix N2O4 and seawater, you produce nitric AND nitrous acids (producing the commonly known 'red fuming nitric acid') which is more than capable of eating its way through, say, a missile tube, and/or a tank containing hydrazine.
Once it gets into the hydrazine, obviously a substantial fire will break out (since they are hypergolic and don't require an ignition source), and oh boy you really wish it stopped there at a catastrophic fireball that can't be extinguished, but it doesn't. The nightmare has only just begun.
All the red fuming nitric acid that's now filling up the missile compartment isn't just starting to react with and corrode everything in there, RFNA also contains a great deal of N2O4 which, as a powerful oxidizer, is going to make stuff that's not normally flammable, VERY flammable. Once the hydrazine fire kicks off, everything starts heating up and catching fire VERY quickly (it's basically like a pure oxygen environment as this point). And what I'm about to say sounds insane, but if you're LUCKY, the hydrazine will be reacting with the N2O4 at a steady rate as it's leaving the missile fuel tank, because if hydrazine gets into the missile compartment, it will react violently to just about everything in there; metals, cotton rags, people, the nitric acid, stainless steel, any metal salts that may have been formed, etc.
I'm absolutely convinced that the only reason they were able to put actual people into submarines with 12-20 "submarine killing disasters waiting to happen" is because none of them really understood just how ridiculously reactive the contents were. If they had any idea of how dangerous it was, something as unassuming as a "missile hatch malfunction" would have been a casualty right up there with "we are actively leaking primary reactor coolant into the reactor room".
@@thundercactus damn….
6:00 It's over 9000!!!!
Hmmm, there is a giant fish I just _know_ that is right in this area so I am going to drag my bait across the bottom as many times as I can over and over.
Might need to come up with a term for doing this!
I wonder if the USSR had broken the coms of SOSUS somewhere and was using the trips across as a sounding board to correct the noise problem in their boats? When did Walker start selling secrets?
Just found you site here on Utube. What does Pt. Sur play in this day for the job it did before they closed most of them down. Always wonder about that since that was my last duty station. I was there in the late 1960's.
ooh.. stop eating Norwegian salmon and trout. may be radioactive. subbed!!
delta 2, my father was a captain of the first rank of this submarine🙂
Excellent presentation. Thank you for bringing us along. I'm amazed about how much we actually know about these boomers.
Glad you enjoyed it
This is the unclassified presentation!
Of course, the real question is how much of this was even in the *classified* presentation back in the day... and how much is just because the Russians have declassified most of their records. :D
@@rdfox76 Don't misunderstand me - this is a good presentation like all of Mr Sub Brief's' work. He's not going to talk about unpublished things on UA-cam. We knew a lot about our adversaries at the time and much more than you can presnt in half an hour. If the enemy knew what we knew it would tell him how we knew, making it more difficult to find out the next time. ;-)
@@jamesgunn5103 Oh, I know. I just meant that I'm sure there's stuff in here that we didn't know for the classified briefs back in the day, just like I'm sure there's stuff *not* in here that *was* in the classified briefs back then, too. :D
N-N-N-N-NICE!!! A new sub-brief is oh so nice! Day made.
Are you sure about that infrared observations from satellites? Would like to see more information about it. I do satellite imagery and infrared you speak of is far from visible spectrum - thermal band is close to 10000nm, while near-infrared starts at ca. 680 nm. The difficulty now with this part of spectrum is that requires special detectors, while visible is relatively simpler to make. So I'd like to hear more about those thermal detections.
Did the Delta II boats have problems with seawater intrusion into the missile tubes?
The Typhoon turned out to be too expensive to operate, and the Delta IV was their “spare” design to fulfill the strategic deterrent mission.
Delta III was the 'work horse' of the Soviet era ballistic fleet, imo.
Good point, DIV was their "transition SSBN to operate while working on advanced designs and decomm the Typhoons@@SubBrief
A lot of times, Reliability *WILL* beat Fancy/Futuristic.
The rector is in long term storage? Poor guy (or gal) 😂
The design of the sail between Russian and American submarines is really different, in terms of width. The US one is more slender, the Russian chunkier. German ones tend to be chunky too. What is the reason for the difference? I expect the slender one to ease hydrodynamism and speed. Is the chunky sail designed for ice penetration?
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@38:40 "...until it actually hit the periscope like a Chinese bong..." Dave's not here man!.
When I watched the video I noted that the number of patrols seem really low. This must make the cost per trip insainly high! I had assumed that a sub would have 40+ trips for the lifetime of the sub. Am I understanding that right?
The most intriguing part for me is how the whole cycle of preparation and the trip itself goes. What maintenance, training and else eats all the time up.
Нв фото К-92,командир кап 1 ранга Патрушев, на ней мой коллега по работе служил, Патрушева понизили в звании до кап 2 ранга за столкновение со льдом, когда погнули выдвижные устройства, потом за успешную стрельбу снова стал кап. 1ранга,и фото как раз в то время Серёга служил, 79-81г
Wait... 10:32... Ok, I might be late to the party here, but is this confirmation that the Russians fired torpedos at US subs? Was this common? Or did we just "happen" have subs in the neighborhood when the USSR was testing these things?
“Like a Chinese Bong?” 😂 jk love ya bud!
I am amazed at how well missiles could reach the intended targets back in the 1970's! That says the use of computers today is a waste of time, money, and space. The way to generate oxygen has a volatile issue if HHO is the outcome. HHO is just as dangerous as cavitation.
HHO is a mixture and, indeed, very dangerous. Also useless. When they electrolise seawater, they obviously keep the hydrogen and oxygen apart. The hydrogen is vented into the sea, the oxygen is compressed into a tank for later use.
@@SolarWebsite Now that we are on the same page, what do you know about process. Can the tubes wear out or corrode? With every chemical reaction there is a level of heat generated, this can cause hastened oxidation of some materials.
I know you say older ships are covered in depth but we need your take.
Crazy question: When decommissioning a nuclear vessel, would it be practical to take the reactor and 'plug it into the grid'? I get that it would have to be defueled and refueled. I guess since they don't do that it's not practical to do so.
Radically different specs than civvy reactors. Though they still generate electricity.
We teach our new Navy "Nukes" on older, moored training boats in Charleston, SC. That is where Naval Nuclear Power Training Command (NNPTC) is located. It is the single hardest educational program in all of the DOD. Currently the Nukes that get to the Prototype phase of this training command are being trained on the USS La Jola (a Los Angeles class SSN) and the USS Daniel Webster (a Lafayette class SSBN). Though the Webster isn't long in this role. Its a very old boat that is coming apart quickly. The Navy has moved the USS San Francisco (an other Los Angeles class) to the Goose Creek area to be prepped to take the place of the Webster. You might remember the USS San Francisco was the sub that slammed into an under sea mount. They repaired her and she finished her life with a new front end. She will continue to serve to teach new Nukes how to operate her reactor.
Anyhow, once the boat is semi-permanently moored, it becomes basically a land based reactor and cannot be fully spooled up. And has to follow land based nuclear regulatory guild lines. These boats reactors can only output about a third of their potential for safety reason.
I have to imagine that yes, it could be possible to feed that energy into the grid as long as the infrastructure was in place. Some of its electricity is used to power the boat for training purposes. They must be manned at all times.
My son is currently in the Prototype stage as an officer and should graduate soon.
Nothing I have said above hasn't already been revealed online somewhere.
No OPSEC violations.
@@ChasWG I concur, interesting information, but nothing I haven't already seen online.
@@christopherdesbaux5950 exactly...
@@ChasWG Thanks very much for that reply and I wish your son great success in his career!
You bring up how clean the new Reactor's are, kind of off track, why the hell are we not generating more electricity at home with the power of the atom. I never understood that. I understand no one wants a Fukushima happen, but if put in correct location they seem pretty darn safe reliable and clean today. I'm no green freak, but I like our air and water clean also. Sorry for the rant on that. Great content as always, love H I Sutton's new channel too. You guys are unparalleled on this stuff and always my go to. 👍
This speaks to something I have always been facinated with is seeing the extreme numbers for power generated that can come out of a reactor in a state near failure I always felt like we we're not pushing hard enough.
One of the more likely nuclear power candidates are small modular reactors, which are like taking those inside nuke subs and throwing 12 of them in a warehouse. They're ultra safe, easily swappable if one needs to be replaced or refueled, and very cheap.
Several reasons:
People are incredibly emotional when confronted with something they fear (the "What about the..." groups) , and
People tend to be incredibly stupid when they gather for a "cause".
The maximum irony of those statements is that the stank-assed hippies of the 1970s who protested nuclear power are now the ones protesting all the coal plants that had to be constructed because they helped make them so incredibly expensive to construct and run. Could we build modern, Uber-reliable nuke plants today? YES, but it's not worth the headache and enormous expense to get around all the roadblocks that The People will throw around.
Because the people who fund your government representatives need to sell oil for electricity generation.
@@greg5023 I think it is less about the efficiency. As far as I understand the small reactor system that the Russians are currently testing is meant for remote locations. Especially those that are accessible from the sea, but hard to get to overland. That makes it easier to maintain communities in those area that used to be uninhabitable, but are now becoming (barely) habitable.
Ohh, finally a new one :)
What's that Budweiser logo on the front of the sail?
Did the CO2 tech come from their space program or did the Space Program get theirs from the Navy? I think that'd be interesting to find out from both the US and russian navies.
what is up with the soviet subs that are around the states? might be a cool video
I'm not sure if counting or joined up writing are compulsory for our Australian politicians
My favourite antenna that we had installed was the stabilized satellite dish that fed our Sky decoder, so we could watch English Premier League matches live. Before than we could only get the scores from an Inmarsat news print out. None of you submariner plebs had luxuries like that ;)
P.S. We had several forms of sonar and they were powerful enough to see a school of fish 800m down. We could also see individual fish going under the trawl's headline. A program would collate the sonar data of every pass and compile it to draw an accurate 3D map of the seabed. I wonder if that sonar would interfere with sensors on a sub?
All those 50kg steel bobbins and chains would make a lot of noise too. They certainly did when hauling while I was trying to get a few hours sleep off watch. That would make a sub's hydrophone operator's life suck. I guess subs stay away from fishing grounds for multiple reasons. I heard of smaller vessels snagging subs in the nets and getting dragged under, but I never saw it. US Navy is not allowed in NZ waters (nuclear free zone).
good info, thanks.
50 degree rolls huh? I remember holding on to stuff and my legs being up in the air at head height. Did you ever experience weightlessness in big seas if steaming on the surface? Going back down the wave does it, so you can go up a stairwell between decks with a single step, while climbing back up the next swell makes you feel like you weigh a ton. You kind of learn to synchronize your movement with the ship's, or you get tired out fast. Southern Ocean below 50 degrees south. 100 knot winds were not uncommon. I bet frigate crews would relate. Those things bounce around in big seas like when they were trying to do their inspections on us.
38:35 hit a Chinese Bong? Huh..... huh............ huh.....
Russians always have multiple torpedo tubes with different sizes for their subs
37:12,
I'm not saying it's a good idea, but amphetamines and painkillers absolutely have medical value here. Besides, he's going to be miserable if you don't patch him up and you sure as hell aren't going back to port to drop him off.
Murena like in Moray eel. Pronounced with eh sound like in RAM
Russia 1986 to China: Sorry, rocket misfired. Can we get our stuff back?
China 1986: What rocket? We could not find anything. Bye. Got to work on our new mirv design.
USSR dissolved in Dec 1991.
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Dial a yield and then you get you hear "3 kilohertz" Great job....:P Dough
oh no, did I jack that up? crap.
@@SubBrief It's fine. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
Even if china ever found that missile they might have sent it for reverse engineering
33:21 Two different logbocks operating "That dint (ding) happened somewhere else it was an Unidentified Submersible Object @ x time" this could never happen while coming into harbour.
Never let the logbook (liebook) get in between you & the truth.
Wavelength- for different spectrum of light
Frequency- different spectrum of sound
Don't frequency and wavelength simply have inverted relationships within spectra?
@@christopherthomsen5809 yes
Wavelengths are the distance between peaks in an electromagnetic, or a sound wave. Frequency is the number of waves in a given time period. Whether light or sound waves, it applies to both, because both have a waveform. Highest to lowest among the common electromagnetic waveforms are: Gamma, X-ray, UV, visible, infrared, microwave, radio.
@@aquilarossa5191 correct!
The soviets 100% knew, where the sosus was. They used it as a tactic later on in the 1980s. There were several times, once involved 5 attack subs, and see how nato respond, tracked and hunted them
The Canadians weren’t really there our navy is non existent, even today all we have is a hand full of frigate’s and a few diesel subs
A Shark-class submarine missile carrier (and not a Typhoon, what kind of Typhoon? Where did the Americans even get the idea that Sharks are called Typhoon? There is also no AK-47 assault rifle and never has been. There is a Kalashnikov assault rifle, just AK) was intended only for the Northern Fleet. And for new solid-fuel rockets. And Moray Eels are missile carriers for all fleets and with liquid rockets. Which have a better weight-to-size ratio, that is, better efficiency than solid-fuel rockets. Solid-fuel rockets cannot be turned off.
"1986 tough year for the russian navy.." ..tough year for Pripyat as well. The soviet leadership must have looked super stupid by '87.
Deadliest for the enemy: USA Deadliest for the crew: China
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"1986, tough year for the Russian navy" Yea, gonna go ahead and say 86 was a very bad year for Russia, rather USSR, in its entirety. Not entirely sure, i was only 5 at the time, but somethin to do with a power plant?
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And yes Im not the only one making the joke, i know. Still gonna make one. And then note the immense near-miracle they pulled after that.
Ten days for broken ribs? Not without heavy drugs! I can speak to THAT from first hand experience!
Not mArina, but mUrena. This is such a fish. And the way you pronounce it, it's a female name.
Mirena is an intra-uterine device