Dmitry Koval, Service No. 5-98 (33) was the sailor/crew member who sadly lost his life in the 2004 accident on the Podolsk K-223. (I did some digging using Russian resources). Dmitry apparently tried to warn the rest of the crew by shouting "It's cracking!" (or words to that effect - my Russian is far from perfect) as events rapidly unfolded. Dmitry's role on the Podolsk was "матрос-электрик" (the literal translation is "sailor-electrician") - so he was probably an electrician's mate or whatever the correct rank is these days. I know, in the case of such an unfortunate accident, Aaron normally likes to mention the crew member's name - particularly if the sailor concerned was trying to protect the rest of the crew or if any heroism/self-sacrifice was involved. Bonus info: Podolsk is a small city about 15km south of the outskirts of Moscow. I've passed through it a few times on my way to the Russian countryside to go mushroom-picking with some Russian friends....))
Rightly or wrongly, I always understood that the collision (in May 1981) involving the Russian K-211 and initially attributed to an un-named American submarine, later actually turned out to be a British Swiftsure class submarine (HMS Sceptre) with the crew ordered (at the time) to say the submarine was damaged after hitting ice - with the truth only emerging years later. It looks like the British boat ran into the stern of the K-211.
@@nemom225 there's a been a few, but here's the one off top of my head. They more, but ld have to review some old notes. 1.USS DRUM SSN677 hits Victor 3, K324, while on photo recon in Peter great bay, photographing the sub it hits. 2.USS GARYLING SSN646 hits Delta 4, K407 Novomoskovsh 3.Baton Rogue SSN689 hits Serria class K276, Kostroma 4. James Madison SSN627 hits a Victor, outside Scotland. BRITISH CHURCHILL class takes over and pursued Victor, out of Loch
Hey Jive, I'm fascinated by what you have said about the sound of lost, drifting trawler nets...any chance you can access one of those recordings (as I can't imagine they are classified - unless trawler tech counts as state secrets? XD ) and show us, like you did with other sonar captured sounds? Be good for Halloween!
He described what is called a longline, because only they would have hooks on them. Mostly used for tuna fishing. They can have thousands of hooks and be miles long. Trawls are different. Bottom trawls for deep seas fishing have huge steel 'doors' that act as hydroplanes to hold the nets open 200-500 meters wide depending on the vessel. It looks like a big rectangle that decreases to a sock shaped net called a cod end. They have a ground line with a few dozen 50kg steel bobbins that roll along the sea floor and keep the ground line low. The headline has floats to hold it up and the fish swim under it. If the warp wires that connect the trawl to the winches break, the trawl will settle 600-800 meters down on the bottom, but the headline may float over 100 meters above that mess. Something a sub would not want to tangle with, especially those trawl doors that can weigh several tons each. We spent days trying to grapple line lost trawls and bring them back up, because they cost so much and take a long time to build. P.S. I think passive sonar would be able to hear trawling 100s of miles away. Doors, chains, cables and bobbins all rattling on the seafloor is very noisy. Very hard to sleep through when they haul on your watch off. I ended up using earplugs to sleep and getting the mess girl to shake me awake (never mind the morning stiffy lol).
@@aquilarossa5191 spoken like a true man of culture and a gentleman. Jeez weeks away from home, nothing but Jerking off and all she got to see was a stiff... Us guys are such monsters! That said I'm sure at that point if she was down.... meh I'll stop there :)
Minor nit, but it is not a pressure problem that leads to not being able to open all of the hatches at the same time, but flow rate issues. If each hatch requires ten gallons of hydraulic oil to move the piston to fully open and there are eight hatches, the hatches will not all be fully open before the pump has moved eighty gallons of hydraulic oil. In the absence of any balancing system, the hatch with the least resistance opens first and the next lowest resistance hatch will start to open when the back pressure from the first hatch rises to the point that the pressure exceeds the resistance of the next hatch. Having separate pumps for each missile hatch still presents the potential problem of not being able to power all of the pumps at the same time.
48:20 apart from military use, sometimes it's cheaper to launch sattelites from different points on the globe. And since ballistic missile submarine already basically a moving spaceport and already built - that's just logicall to try to utilise its capabilities in peacetime as much as possible. And crues definetly getting some useful expirience from launches
Aaron, you are speculating on the pressure required to open the hatches, it's more likely that tube 1 is used to house a "dead hand" missile that goes first to ensure launch orders go out.
Keep up the sub briefs. Great content. Like the Q and A video idea. I think a sub story video series would be fantastic. Doesn't have to be your own stories, could be other submariner interviews to crazy stories you have read.
Are we sure about that fire extinguishing agent? (38:41) LOX is a common abreviation for Liquid Oxygen, which makes a rather lousy fire supression agent to say the least. Could it be Nitrous Oxide, NOX?
After some googling apparently LOX is some kind of branding for the hypoxic fire suppressant system, which reduce the available oxygen to burn. So it's technically not wrong, it just whoever invented it decide to troll us with such stupid branding. I mean, you definitely wouldn't want to get it mixed up with the other LOx 😂
@@alanmsmxyz Found that too, it appears to be a preventive system, desigend to prevent fires by lowering the oxygen amount in a given space. While this could cause casualties among the crew, the reports mentions a fire and a response by a supression sytstem as a the cause of the fatalities. The LOX:TM: system being preventive andnot responsive does not fit the described circumstances.
I'm a serious historical, and modern surface ship, planes, jets, and inland technology buff, but never got into Subs. You have enlightened me! I now look forward to your podcasts! You know your subs!!!
I just discovered your channel the other day and I really like it! I see that you have some problems with pronouncing Russian names, so I'll give you some clarification. "Zvezda" shipyard is located in the Far East, indeed. "Zvezda" means "star" in the Russian language (and many other Slavic languages). "Zvezdochka" is another company which owns shipyards in the European part of the Russian Federation. "Zvezdochka" is a diminutive of "Zvezda" and it means "a little star." Now, you may have noticed that many things in Russia still have the word "Zvezda" in their names, and this is because the red star was a symbol of socialism, so many companies in the former USSR had the word "Zvezda" in their name.
28:00 not to mention that you most definitely do not want any nuclear fuel lying around with half hearted supervision, even if it's not weapons grade...
I always loved the Delta III. Was the first variant I ever saw when reading Polmar's book in high school. I fell in love with all her free-flood holes.
What I'm curious about is how did they decide which missiles to the deploy with. Was it just.. hey, lets flip a coin, or was it matched to a specific threat level? Was there any method to the madness (as I'm someone who while fascinated by this stuff, obviously watching the video, finds nuclear weapons in general to be madness). I mean, what on Earth would prompt them to say "okay, this time we go out to sea, we need the missiles that are .1 kiloton, because New York City is our biggest threat today!" Were they just specifically mad that Cory Heart wore his sunglasses at night on that particular day of the week?
You mention that the 7 bomb warhead is used for cities. What types of targets were the other warhead configurations used for? Would you do a mini special on slbm warhead configurations and the types of targets suitable for different types?
I sincerely doubt that we are still paying for stuff like this. Not after Crimea. By the way, the term for Demonstrator-2s orbit type is: heliosynchronous, not heliocentric.
It was actually ss104 HMS Scepter who had hit K211, not a USN Sturgeon class. They were trialing the Russians during a 2001 sonar trail and the Russian K211 went to clear the baffles and bang
Likely just chance. Moving ships and submarines around berths at ports is akin to 4D tetris with added complexity of "when does this ship leave" and "does this ship need access to cranes?" etc.
Excellent analysis, excellent vid. Thanks for making these! Given the geopolitical climate, military posture and couple that with the submarine designs and subsequent revisions afterwards, you can infer a number of things with regard to the lack of improvement for their reactor and engine room design and revisions or rather, lack of. The Russian designers, military leadership and political leadership likely didn't bother to make it all that stealthy as the Soviets, Russians thereafter, can be inferred as: 1) concluding that Russians and Americans would highly probable maintain military dominance and pre-eminence above all other possible military naval competitors; 2) Americans are highly probable of remaining as the only comparable military and sole naval power in an adversarial or competitor role; 3) it is highly unprobable that Americans will attack Russian assets or Russian centers, military or civilian, in a unprovoked, surprise, or pre-emptive strike. And so, I could infer that Russian decision makers subsequently looked at their situation and circumstances and concluded that they didn't have an imminent reason to improve the stealth (sound) characteristics of their engine design if these trends continued allowing them to re-allocate their funds to R&D in nearly every other related technology instead which was more advantageous as those innovations could be applied to multiple things and engine design was relegated to only submarines, yielding the least ROI in context. With CCP PLAN's submarine designs, we see incremental improvements and technological developments in progressive revisions where signature profile advances so that clandestine options are available and CCP should be profiled with caution as they are probable to attack unprovoked, surprise, or pre-emptive manner contrary to the American deterrence. If there was a re-design of Russian submarine configurations, it would be highly probable that it was intentionally to counter a CCP rise in military capability and Russia may need to face CCP forces in the future. A subsequent observed Russian revision in submarine configuration and/or doctrine in near future, if announced, showcased, or identified and reported would highly probable serve as confirmation of this. My opinion(s), of course.
Weeel, nither Chinese or Russians never invaded no one, and have alwas had deterent military philosophy, while amrca have purely invasionistic military (carriers) and have invade 37sovereign countries and killed 28million civillians in the process.
Hi Aaron. At 36:34 of your brief, your sub base locations are AFU. Krasheninnikov Bay is actually where you have indicated Pavlovsky Bay on the centre tile. In fact, the cyrillic writing below your 'Pavlovsky Bay' says 'Krasheninnikova Bay.' I used Google earth to look at it. Your left hand tile shows the correct name on the peninsula into the bay. Looking at each of the volcanic Kuril Islands to the south of the tip of Kamchatka I cannot find a single naval base close to where you have indicated it. On top of that, a search for Pavlovsky bay, or just Pavlovsky fails to show anything in the region. Where did you get this data?
The size of these Russian missile boats is hard to 'fathom', until the photo of the K-44 in the floating dry-dock. The people walking around on the floor of the dry-dock are dwarfed by the sub. Still, it is hard to imagine something that size navigating deep under the ocean surface.
Hey JT, love your content. I was wondering if you could do a video about submarine anchoring systems, because while it is understood all vessels must carry an anchor you never hear about those systems being used or how they might work. It would also be interesting to hear about other ways a submarine might remain stationary- azipods or similar tech. Cheers
48:38 USA got now 4500+ operational starlink satellites which some of them are military purpose (planned total 8000+). Impossible to destroy them all atm. Maybe by some advancer cyber warefare skynet system
its name in Russian is K-433 Svyatoy Georgiy Pobedonosets there's an episode where you can see inside the k433 on the RT UA-cam channel. its a good one.
Not a lot...it's enough but it's not very big the yield may be higher than Hiroshima HOWEVER the fallout isn't as bad and there exists tactical nukes with almost a much yield...but having that small of a warhead in a MIRV system allows a higher chance for a successful engagement [smaller target for patriots and airborne laser missile defense systems]...more than enough yield for NYC or DC but not for hardened targets i.e. it's a terror weapon vs a strategic weapon...
The Chinese navy 094 class SSBN was very much based on the Soviet Delta III but with a smaller magazine of 12 SLBMs instead of 16. Even the missiles the JL2 was similar in length and range.
The hatches that open first are closest to the supply, example hydraulics pump, where the flow and pressure are greatest and encounter the least resistance. We when open are hatches, even on ones made in early 1990s, it was like this, just less noticable as it was a faction of a second. Now you simply jist use larger hydraulics pumps or usually more and position them inside differently
@John Milton no the newer are larger and of a different design. They used to be old gear pumps that actually can cause alot of noise. Now they are a newer design, with higher displacement that are actually quieter. Plus they are raft mounted now. Before there were bolted to the deck with some rubber pads in between, in an attempt to reduce noise. Totally different, like a model A, compared to a new vehicle today.
.1 MT is still 100 KT and that's 5 of the more powerful fatman bombs dropped on Nagasaki. or 6 little boy bomb dropped on Hiroshima. so the r-29rk has the equivalent of 35 fatman bombs.
You supply phone numbers for various offices of the Nerpa yard but no review for the canteen! Shoddy! Just shoddy😂 If you do phone them then bare in mind we are tapping the line so no loose talk!😂
.2 megaton is a small weapon? Are you kidding me? That's more than 10x what was dropped on Nagasaki! Should be mentioned that it is a 200 KiloTon weapon!
Hi Aaron! I enjoy your material and in-depth analysis of all things submarine. I am not really 'up' on Soviet nomenclature but I thought the K-129 was the Hotel that sank in 15k' of the Pacific and was partially recovered by the CIA (.Project Azorian - Wikipedia). Please correct my thinking. Thank you.
What you said about countries paying for Russia for decommissioning reactors or cutting the old subs, I hope you dont think that this is done purely for the saint "save the planet" reason? :) I mean, Americans do not pay money or invest into something that doesn't give them profit. After the cold war, Americans used every opportunity to get their hands on Soviet gear or blue prints, study them to and adapt the best solution into US military. Good example that comes to mind is the MiG-29 helmet guidance system for the Archer missile, where the Soviet pilots could lock and launch just by looking at the target. This was something that Americans found out later from the East German MiG-29's and was a big surprise, later this technology was adopted into the modern US jets.
The system you are talking about, namely the supply of breathing air, is available on several types of submarines, but the problem is that when a fire broke out on one of these submarines, the fire damaged this pipeline and this led to big problems, the fire received pressurized air and raged even more, this is the danger of this system, therefore it is not used on Delta 3, according to the instructions, the sailors have a certain time to leave the compartment, if this failed, the team must isolate the emergency compartment and turn on the gas fire extinguishing system despite the fact that there were people left there, otherwise the spread of fire will go to neighboring compartments, which will possibly lead to even more sad consequences.
Hi, you said something that really peaked my interest about 50min in. You mention how If any big countries (US/Russia/China/etc.) Go to 'real war', everyone is going to instantly shoot down each other's satellites. (I don't disagree) leading to global communication blackouts. I'd be interested in hearing your opinions on how Starlink might shift the balance? It's one thing to shoot down a few dozen spy & communication satellites, but thousands of them? Especially when they've shown they can launch up to 150 in a week? I know there's also a potential threat of jamming, but wouldn't mind hearing your opinions.
New subscriber here. Why do you sound so excited about what the Soviet Navy did/do? They were/are a threat to our US Navy. "Hats" of to the Russian Navy? REALLY, wow.
The Russian religious sainthood-thing is quite an interesting subject. For example, Seraphim of Sarov has been declared, or considered to be patron saint of nuclear weapons. In a way it makes sense, even if it might have been an political move originally on the part of the Orthodox Church. ""Acquire a peaceful spirit, and around you thousands will be saved."" -Sarov
[10/26/22] Hi Aaron!! I've only just recently subbed to your channel, and I am very concerned that you may advertently, or inadvertently reveal some classified Russian submarine capabilities/technology information. My question is, do we really want to tell the Russians how much, and what we know about their boats? With these briefs, we could be letting it known that we know too much. Your not having served in the Russian Navy means that you cannot be sure of what you are, or are NOT permitted to divulge. This could be an issue.
The thing that always baffled me about war was understanding the opposing forces' first-strike capabilities. It seems to me that during the Cold War, the Russians thought very highly of their first-to-strike capabilities... It makes you wonder the secrets of today.
You keep showing that slide of Pavlovsky and Krasheninnikov Bay with them being a hundred miles apart, they are not, in reality Krasheninnikov is not down on the tip of the peninsular but in the same bay as Pavlovsky just across from it on the other side of the bay not even 10 miles distant. That anecdote of them going to Krasheninnikov to save some transit time is nonsense, the mouth of the bay is equally distant from both places.
Question!!! in the smarter every day UA-cam video . Where the sub is surfacing in ice . The captain is the one going up the hatch to do the physical labor to get the ice off the top of his ship. Why is the captain doing this work and not one of the junior enlisted sailor. If there was ever grunt work chopping ice off the top of the submarine this would be it.
Because if you have torpedo nets open you'll tear them off at over 5kts. Plus they stopped fitting them when HMS Ramilles was in short shorts. They're useless against a 40kt torpedo
United Shipbuilding Corp is not a private company, although it is joint stock. 100% of its shares are owned by the Russian state. It owns all the major naval shipbuilding in Russia, i.e., it is a parent company. It is similar with their military aircraft and United Aircraft Corp who produce the SU-35 and SU-57. Russian oil and gas is also owned publicly, which is where they get a lot of their revenue for state projects (1). Most of the Russian industry was privatized during the Yeltsin era, under western advice. Putin reversed the privatizations and that was a big part of rebooting Russia's industry that had been in tatters after the Cold War, which is why they have been able to rebuild their military and increase living standards etc. There would be some corruption, but public ownership allows the profits of things like oil to be spent on public projects, instead of going to a billionaire's coffers in the Cayman Islands etc. Russia has far more of this than China (China is a 85% private economy, with just the bones of it being state owned, e.g., electricity etc) Russia can do that because it is more self sufficient for resources than China -- China needs capital to import resources, so since the Chinese deal with Nixon they therefore use more capitalism than the USSR did, which is called a mixed market, i.e., a mix of private and public. 1. When the Saudis recently pumped oil like there was no tomorrow, it crashed the oil prices. That really hurts Russia and they tend to think the Saudis do it on the behalf of the USA. Similar happened in the late 1980s. It was a key factor in the USSR going bankrupt, along with costs like the Afghan War and Chernobyl. The Soviet Union had massive overheads and no way of funding them all. They turned to the IMF and World Bank for loans. Those loan conditions dictated the Soviets transitioned to being primarily a market economy, i.e., not being so socialist etc (that is what the IMF and World Bank do all over the world). Nail in the coffin. Former Soviet enterprises and assets were sold off cheaply. Many were liquidated and this destruction of industry interestingly matched very closely with NATO targeting for strategic nukes. The Russian people received shares in the privatized companies, which were bought up by anybody who had money. This created the oligarchs of the Yeltsin era, who were the people mostly affected by Putin's nationalizations, along with many western investors, e.g., Yukos oil. The Americans still have not forgiven Castro for doing similar to US investors, or Iran and Venezuela either, so I doubt they will forgive Russia for decades. Uncle Sam has a very long memory when it comes to messing with the capital of US investors.
P.S. Hooks on a net? You are talking about a long line, which is mostly used for tuna fishing. A different thing than a trawl. There are three main types of trawl. Mid water, bottom, and pelagic. P.P.S. On submarine reactor disposal. I am finding records of international funding allocated in the mid 2000s. That work could be ongoing, but I have not yet found if funding continues beyond what was agreed back then. Part of it is about non-proliferation. There were attempts steal enriched uranium for third party buyers, e.g., two North Korean spies were discovered trying to buy it.
Seems to me the Russians should be using un-manned underwater robots that can be deployed from the Orenburg to avoid putting human life at risk. In that way, she would be able to study just about any place in the ocean, or conduct missions there.
Dmitry Koval, Service No. 5-98 (33) was the sailor/crew member who sadly lost his life in the 2004 accident on the Podolsk K-223. (I did some digging using Russian resources).
Dmitry apparently tried to warn the rest of the crew by shouting "It's cracking!" (or words to that effect - my Russian is far from perfect) as events rapidly unfolded. Dmitry's role on the Podolsk was "матрос-электрик" (the literal translation is "sailor-electrician") - so he was probably an electrician's mate or whatever the correct rank is these days.
I know, in the case of such an unfortunate accident, Aaron normally likes to mention the crew member's name - particularly if the sailor concerned was trying to protect the rest of the crew or if any heroism/self-sacrifice was involved.
Bonus info: Podolsk is a small city about 15km south of the outskirts of Moscow. I've passed through it a few times on my way to the Russian countryside to go mushroom-picking with some Russian friends....))
Rightly or wrongly, I always understood that the collision (in May 1981) involving the Russian K-211 and initially attributed to an un-named American submarine, later actually turned out to be a British Swiftsure class submarine (HMS Sceptre) with the crew ordered (at the time) to say the submarine was damaged after hitting ice - with the truth only emerging years later. It looks like the British boat ran into the stern of the K-211.
Correct, RN hit the K211. The USN submarine hit a different class of Russian submarine, and still denied as of today
Underwater fender benders ruin your day as a submarine captain.
@@taraswertelecki3786 Usually your career too....
Wait have any more info on that other ram?
@@nemom225 there's a been a few, but here's the one off top of my head. They more, but ld have to review some old notes.
1.USS DRUM SSN677 hits Victor 3, K324, while on photo recon in Peter great bay, photographing the sub it hits.
2.USS GARYLING SSN646 hits Delta 4, K407 Novomoskovsh
3.Baton Rogue SSN689 hits Serria class K276, Kostroma
4. James Madison SSN627 hits a Victor, outside Scotland. BRITISH CHURCHILL class takes over and pursued Victor, out of Loch
Know that your efforts are genuinely appreciated
This is the longest SubBrief Ever. This is amazing
Hey Jive, I'm fascinated by what you have said about the sound of lost, drifting trawler nets...any chance you can access one of those recordings (as I can't imagine they are classified - unless trawler tech counts as state secrets? XD ) and show us, like you did with other sonar captured sounds? Be good for Halloween!
He described what is called a longline, because only they would have hooks on them. Mostly used for tuna fishing. They can have thousands of hooks and be miles long.
Trawls are different. Bottom trawls for deep seas fishing have huge steel 'doors' that act as hydroplanes to hold the nets open 200-500 meters wide depending on the vessel. It looks like a big rectangle that decreases to a sock shaped net called a cod end. They have a ground line with a few dozen 50kg steel bobbins that roll along the sea floor and keep the ground line low. The headline has floats to hold it up and the fish swim under it. If the warp wires that connect the trawl to the winches break, the trawl will settle 600-800 meters down on the bottom, but the headline may float over 100 meters above that mess. Something a sub would not want to tangle with, especially those trawl doors that can weigh several tons each. We spent days trying to grapple line lost trawls and bring them back up, because they cost so much and take a long time to build.
P.S. I think passive sonar would be able to hear trawling 100s of miles away. Doors, chains, cables and bobbins all rattling on the seafloor is very noisy. Very hard to sleep through when they haul on your watch off. I ended up using earplugs to sleep and getting the mess girl to shake me awake (never mind the morning stiffy lol).
@@aquilarossa5191 spoken like a true man of culture and a gentleman. Jeez weeks away from home, nothing but Jerking off and all she got to see was a stiff...
Us guys are such monsters!
That said I'm sure at that point if she was down.... meh I'll stop there :)
@@dfgiuy22 ....what?
Drift nets and trawls are horrendous damn things as far as sea life is concerned, absolutely no discrimination in what they trap and kill
Anyone notice the Typhoon sub brief is gone? Wanted to watch it after this one.
Minor nit, but it is not a pressure problem that leads to not being able to open all of the hatches at the same time, but flow rate issues. If each hatch requires ten gallons of hydraulic oil to move the piston to fully open and there are eight hatches, the hatches will not all be fully open before the pump has moved eighty gallons of hydraulic oil. In the absence of any balancing system, the hatch with the least resistance opens first and the next lowest resistance hatch will start to open when the back pressure from the first hatch rises to the point that the pressure exceeds the resistance of the next hatch.
Having separate pumps for each missile hatch still presents the potential problem of not being able to power all of the pumps at the same time.
Like the photo of the 7 bladed screws , Thanks to Walker's.
48:20 apart from military use, sometimes it's cheaper to launch sattelites from different points on the globe. And since ballistic missile submarine already basically a moving spaceport and already built - that's just logicall to try to utilise its capabilities in peacetime as much as possible. And crues definetly getting some useful expirience from launches
Another fantastic brief. I immediately watch these when they come our and I'm never disappointed.
Aaron, you are speculating on the pressure required to open the hatches, it's more likely that tube 1 is used to house a "dead hand" missile that goes first to ensure launch orders go out.
Keep up the sub briefs. Great content. Like the Q and A video idea. I think a sub story video series would be fantastic. Doesn't have to be your own stories, could be other submariner interviews to crazy stories you have read.
Are we sure about that fire extinguishing agent? (38:41) LOX is a common abreviation for Liquid Oxygen, which makes a rather lousy fire supression agent to say the least. Could it be Nitrous Oxide, NOX?
After some googling apparently LOX is some kind of branding for the hypoxic fire suppressant system, which reduce the available oxygen to burn. So it's technically not wrong, it just whoever invented it decide to troll us with such stupid branding. I mean, you definitely wouldn't want to get it mixed up with the other LOx 😂
@@alanmsmxyz Found that too, it appears to be a preventive system, desigend to prevent fires by lowering the oxygen amount in a given space. While this could cause casualties among the crew, the reports mentions a fire and a response by a supression sytstem as a the cause of the fatalities. The LOX:TM: system being preventive andnot responsive does not fit the described circumstances.
@@alanmsmxyz Lox could also mean smoked salmon. Imagine being the engineering team ordering 2000kg of lox, only for smoked salmon to turn up dockside.
I thought it meant a suppression system for LOX fires.
Can you imagine being on your little trawler and all of the sudden it gets swallowed by the sea!
Proper scary stuff
This channel has grown on me quite a bit I must say.
I'm a serious historical, and modern surface ship, planes, jets, and inland technology buff, but never got into Subs. You have enlightened me! I now look forward to your podcasts! You know your subs!!!
Very stoked to have found this channel. Great content, very informative.
I just discovered your channel the other day and I really like it!
I see that you have some problems with pronouncing Russian names, so I'll give you some clarification.
"Zvezda" shipyard is located in the Far East, indeed. "Zvezda" means "star" in the Russian language (and many other Slavic languages).
"Zvezdochka" is another company which owns shipyards in the European part of the Russian Federation. "Zvezdochka" is a diminutive of "Zvezda" and it means "a little star."
Now, you may have noticed that many things in Russia still have the word "Zvezda" in their names, and this is because the red star was a symbol of socialism, so many companies in the former USSR had the word "Zvezda" in their name.
28:00 not to mention that you most definitely do not want any nuclear fuel lying around with half hearted supervision, even if it's not weapons grade...
Wow, didn't know it was still going on 20 years later though
I always loved the Delta III. Was the first variant I ever saw when reading Polmar's book in high school. I fell in love with all her free-flood holes.
What I'm curious about is how did they decide which missiles to the deploy with. Was it just.. hey, lets flip a coin, or was it matched to a specific threat level? Was there any method to the madness (as I'm someone who while fascinated by this stuff, obviously watching the video, finds nuclear weapons in general to be madness). I mean, what on Earth would prompt them to say "okay, this time we go out to sea, we need the missiles that are .1 kiloton, because New York City is our biggest threat today!" Were they just specifically mad that Cory Heart wore his sunglasses at night on that particular day of the week?
Probably availability.
You mention that the 7 bomb warhead is used for cities. What types of targets were the other warhead configurations used for? Would you do a mini special on slbm warhead configurations and the types of targets suitable for different types?
It's called a MIRV
Yes!! Very happy to be seeing the next in the delta series
I sincerely doubt that we are still paying for stuff like this. Not after Crimea.
By the way, the term for Demonstrator-2s orbit type is: heliosynchronous, not heliocentric.
Aaron, by the way - many Sailors says that they love BDR even more then BDRM.
It was actually ss104 HMS Scepter who had hit K211, not a USN Sturgeon class. They were trialing the Russians during a 2001 sonar trail and the Russian K211 went to clear the baffles and bang
9:15 "0.1 megatons isn't a lot [..] but it will still screw up a city..."
Masterful understatement!
I can't help noticing a lot of the port shots show the Deltas berthed next to an attack sub. Would that be the escort or is it just chance?
Likely just chance. Moving ships and submarines around berths at ports is akin to 4D tetris with added complexity of "when does this ship leave" and "does this ship need access to cranes?" etc.
Borisoglebsk is the prettiest name I’ve ever heard
Researching this must have been a monumental effort Jive, brilliant content, you must be like a composite of Norman Polmar and Rainman after this.
36:03 please open google maps and search for krasheninnikov bay. And you will see that it is where the blue dot is.
Excellent analysis, excellent vid. Thanks for making these!
Given the geopolitical climate, military posture and couple that with the submarine designs and subsequent revisions afterwards, you can infer a number of things with regard to the lack of improvement for their reactor and engine room design and revisions or rather, lack of. The Russian designers, military leadership and political leadership likely didn't bother to make it all that stealthy as the Soviets, Russians thereafter, can be inferred as: 1) concluding that Russians and Americans would highly probable maintain military dominance and pre-eminence above all other possible military naval competitors; 2) Americans are highly probable of remaining as the only comparable military and sole naval power in an adversarial or competitor role; 3) it is highly unprobable that Americans will attack Russian assets or Russian centers, military or civilian, in a unprovoked, surprise, or pre-emptive strike.
And so, I could infer that Russian decision makers subsequently looked at their situation and circumstances and concluded that they didn't have an imminent reason to improve the stealth (sound) characteristics of their engine design if these trends continued allowing them to re-allocate their funds to R&D in nearly every other related technology instead which was more advantageous as those innovations could be applied to multiple things and engine design was relegated to only submarines, yielding the least ROI in context. With CCP PLAN's submarine designs, we see incremental improvements and technological developments in progressive revisions where signature profile advances so that clandestine options are available and CCP should be profiled with caution as they are probable to attack unprovoked, surprise, or pre-emptive manner contrary to the American deterrence.
If there was a re-design of Russian submarine configurations, it would be highly probable that it was intentionally to counter a CCP rise in military capability and Russia may need to face CCP forces in the future. A subsequent observed Russian revision in submarine configuration and/or doctrine in near future, if announced, showcased, or identified and reported would highly probable serve as confirmation of this. My opinion(s), of course.
Weeel, nither Chinese or Russians never invaded no one, and have alwas had deterent military philosophy, while amrca have purely invasionistic military (carriers) and have invade 37sovereign countries and killed 28million civillians in the process.
Hi Aaron. At 36:34 of your brief, your sub base locations are AFU. Krasheninnikov Bay is actually where you have indicated Pavlovsky Bay on the centre tile. In fact, the cyrillic writing below your 'Pavlovsky Bay' says 'Krasheninnikova Bay.' I used Google earth to look at it. Your left hand tile shows the correct name on the peninsula into the bay. Looking at each of the volcanic Kuril Islands to the south of the tip of Kamchatka I cannot find a single naval base close to where you have indicated it. On top of that, a search for Pavlovsky bay, or just Pavlovsky fails to show anything in the region.
Where did you get this data?
Hey Aaron, not sure if you'll see this, but your video helped me out on my final essay. Thanks for the great content!
That pause before 'successful', hoo boy, I'd better buckle up and prepare for shenanigans.
Interesting! So now they have a mini sub for destroying pipelines and comms cables too now.
The size of these Russian missile boats is hard to 'fathom', until the photo of the K-44 in the floating dry-dock. The people walking around on the floor of the dry-dock are dwarfed by the sub. Still, it is hard to imagine something that size navigating deep under the ocean surface.
opening the hatch with 6' ice on top, and Im not so critical about the hydraulics not wanting to work anymore.
Hey JT, love your content. I was wondering if you could do a video about submarine anchoring systems, because while it is understood all vessels must carry an anchor you never hear about those systems being used or how they might work. It would also be interesting to hear about other ways a submarine might remain stationary- azipods or similar tech. Cheers
Norway owns Svalbard. Their airspace is over Arctic too
The upright "bars/rods" are called stanchions.
Hatch Nine not open: OCD Intensifies
48:38 USA got now 4500+ operational starlink satellites which some of them are military purpose (planned total 8000+). Impossible to destroy them all atm. Maybe by some advancer cyber warefare skynet system
44:56 - so you doing Halloween stories with floating ghost nets with hooks now? 😀
its name in Russian is K-433 Svyatoy Georgiy Pobedonosets there's an episode where you can see inside the k433 on the RT UA-cam channel. its a good one.
in 2011 it got a new captain and you can see him in the RT episode
".1 megaton is not a lot" it's actually a huge amount. It's roughly ~7 times higher yield than the bomb that hit Hiroshima
Especially when theres 112 of them screaming in from orbit.
Not a lot...it's enough but it's not very big the yield may be higher than Hiroshima HOWEVER the fallout isn't as bad and there exists tactical nukes with almost a much yield...but having that small of a warhead in a MIRV system allows a higher chance for a successful engagement [smaller target for patriots and airborne laser missile defense systems]...more than enough yield for NYC or DC but not for hardened targets i.e. it's a terror weapon vs a strategic weapon...
The Chinese navy 094 class SSBN was very much based on the Soviet Delta III but with a smaller magazine of 12 SLBMs instead of 16. Even the missiles the JL2 was similar in length and range.
I'm going to call them and ask them why they were trying to nuke my city when they've never met me or been to my city.
Hatch opening, dual systems hooked together, option for individual ops.
I had very little appreciation for these designs, same with Victor, until these videos.
The hatches that open first are closest to the supply, example hydraulics pump, where the flow and pressure are greatest and encounter the least resistance. We when open are hatches, even on ones made in early 1990s, it was like this, just less noticable as it was a faction of a second. Now you simply jist use larger hydraulics pumps or usually more and position them inside differently
@John Milton no the newer are larger and of a different design. They used to be old gear pumps that actually can cause alot of noise. Now they are a newer design, with higher displacement that are actually quieter. Plus they are raft mounted now. Before there were bolted to the deck with some rubber pads in between, in an attempt to reduce noise. Totally different, like a model A, compared to a new vehicle today.
.1 MT is still 100 KT and that's 5 of the more powerful fatman bombs dropped on Nagasaki. or 6 little boy bomb dropped on Hiroshima. so the r-29rk has the equivalent of 35 fatman bombs.
about the air line for breathing the Russians have them. there was a story where it got contaminated and wasn't able to be used. I think it was kursk.
your map of kashennikov bay is wrong... it is literally just south of pertropavlovsk city not the southern tip of kamchatka as you point out.
"Kalmar" is also a cost town in Sweden.
It's a Swedish word. Muscovites are a breed of Swedes, Slavs, Mongols all mashed together.
They are the least Slavic tribe today.
The K443 featured on the Combat Approved show on RT a few years ago.
You supply phone numbers for various offices of the Nerpa yard but no review for the canteen! Shoddy! Just shoddy😂
If you do phone them then bare in mind we are tapping the line so no loose talk!😂
The post collision shot of the 433 looks like a periscope shot or it was taken from a small boat low to the water
.2 megaton is a small weapon? Are you kidding me? That's more than 10x what was dropped on Nagasaki! Should be mentioned that it is a 200 KiloTon weapon!
Does the bigger steam system mean that they can make more electric power for on board electronics and electrics?
Another great lecture. My question is what was the most diffacult target you had to track when you were on active duty.
Hi Aaron! I enjoy your material and in-depth analysis of all things submarine. I am not really 'up' on Soviet nomenclature but I thought the K-129 was the Hotel that sank in 15k' of the Pacific and was partially recovered by the CIA (.Project Azorian - Wikipedia). Please correct my thinking. Thank you.
What you said about countries paying for Russia for decommissioning reactors or cutting the old subs, I hope you dont think that this is done purely for the saint "save the planet" reason? :) I mean, Americans do not pay money or invest into something that doesn't give them profit. After the cold war, Americans used every opportunity to get their hands on Soviet gear or blue prints, study them to and adapt the best solution into US military. Good example that comes to mind is the MiG-29 helmet guidance system for the Archer missile, where the Soviet pilots could lock and launch just by looking at the target. This was something that Americans found out later from the East German MiG-29's and was a big surprise, later this technology was adopted into the modern US jets.
What is the 30 year badge or pin for K424? According to your info she was out of service when the badge was made.
Kalmar in Russian means Squid, is a city in Sweden too.
@12:00 - perhaps hatch one had been used more often ?
What's a "backing bell"? Does that mean K-44 may have thrown the screws into reverse when it damaged its towed array?
The hatches hydraulic lines were not properly rendered from air ?
I love this soviet sub!
The system you are talking about, namely the supply of breathing air, is available on several types of submarines, but the problem is that when a fire broke out on one of these submarines, the fire damaged this pipeline and this led to big problems, the fire received pressurized air and raged even more, this is the danger of this system, therefore it is not used on Delta 3, according to the instructions, the sailors have a certain time to leave the compartment, if this failed, the team must isolate the emergency compartment and turn on the gas fire extinguishing system despite the fact that there were people left there, otherwise the spread of fire will go to neighboring compartments, which will possibly lead to even more sad consequences.
I think someone screwed up...aren't the screws always supposed to be hidden when out of the water?
Hi, you said something that really peaked my interest about 50min in. You mention how If any big countries (US/Russia/China/etc.) Go to 'real war', everyone is going to instantly shoot down each other's satellites. (I don't disagree) leading to global communication blackouts. I'd be interested in hearing your opinions on how Starlink might shift the balance? It's one thing to shoot down a few dozen spy & communication satellites, but thousands of them? Especially when they've shown they can launch up to 150 in a week? I know there's also a potential threat of jamming, but wouldn't mind hearing your opinions.
New subscriber here. Why do you sound so excited about what the Soviet Navy did/do? They were/are a threat to our US Navy. "Hats" of to the Russian Navy? REALLY, wow.
I'm just putting on a show.
ZVEZDA means star. A star from RED SATAR, soviet emblem.
I can't find the Krashninkov base on the google maps, no matter how hard I try. Can anybody help me with exact coordination??
Aaron, I think u r wrong about no accidents with subs or reactors on them..
I think it's just no records, but accidents still happens very often..
Awesome subbrief as usual! -ninja_cheetos
loved the video
Skalisti sub base on the Koka peninsula has a huge sub docked
The Russian religious sainthood-thing is quite an interesting subject. For example, Seraphim of Sarov has been declared, or considered to be patron saint of nuclear weapons. In a way it makes sense, even if it might have been an political move originally on the part of the Orthodox Church. ""Acquire a peaceful spirit, and around you thousands will be saved."" -Sarov
The upgraded reactor on k-496 is simply a reactor not currently leaking comrade.
Looking for the video which where you showed China's projected military strength in 22 and 25, can't seem to find anywhere.
[10/26/22] Hi Aaron!! I've only just recently subbed to your channel, and I am very concerned that you may advertently, or inadvertently reveal some classified Russian submarine capabilities/technology information. My question is, do we really want to tell the Russians how much, and what we know about their boats? With these briefs, we could be letting it known that we know too much. Your not having served in the Russian Navy means that you cannot be sure of what you are, or are NOT permitted to divulge. This could be an issue.
Gotta love the camelback style of the Russian ballistic missile subs, they really look formidable with their "silos" so to speak
Evil thought. Have all my spam phone calls forwarded to the Russian bass. Lol
The thing that always baffled me about war was understanding the opposing forces' first-strike capabilities. It seems to me that during the Cold War, the Russians thought very highly of their first-to-strike capabilities... It makes you wonder the secrets of today.
Hey look, it's that one from GTAV
You keep showing that slide of Pavlovsky and Krasheninnikov Bay with them being a hundred miles apart, they are not, in reality Krasheninnikov is not down on the tip of the peninsular but in the same bay as Pavlovsky just across from it on the other side of the bay not even 10 miles distant.
That anecdote of them going to Krasheninnikov to save some transit time is nonsense, the mouth of the bay is equally distant from both places.
@54:22 She does 5 patrols under the ice from 1984-1988, not 1984-1985. Big difference. Source: Your info card up on the screen, lol!
Question!!!
in the smarter every day UA-cam video . Where the sub is surfacing in ice .
The captain is the one going up the hatch to do the physical labor to get the ice off the top of his ship. Why is the captain doing this work and not one of the junior enlisted sailor. If there was ever grunt work chopping ice off the top of the submarine this would be it.
Why aren't gigantic fishnets used to keep submarines away from carrier fleets when they are so dangerous to submarines?
Because if you have torpedo nets open you'll tear them off at over 5kts. Plus they stopped fitting them when HMS Ramilles was in short shorts. They're useless against a 40kt torpedo
United Shipbuilding Corp is not a private company, although it is joint stock. 100% of its shares are owned by the Russian state. It owns all the major naval shipbuilding in Russia, i.e., it is a parent company.
It is similar with their military aircraft and United Aircraft Corp who produce the SU-35 and SU-57. Russian oil and gas is also owned publicly, which is where they get a lot of their revenue for state projects (1).
Most of the Russian industry was privatized during the Yeltsin era, under western advice. Putin reversed the privatizations and that was a big part of rebooting Russia's industry that had been in tatters after the Cold War, which is why they have been able to rebuild their military and increase living standards etc.
There would be some corruption, but public ownership allows the profits of things like oil to be spent on public projects, instead of going to a billionaire's coffers in the Cayman Islands etc. Russia has far more of this than China (China is a 85% private economy, with just the bones of it being state owned, e.g., electricity etc) Russia can do that because it is more self sufficient for resources than China -- China needs capital to import resources, so since the Chinese deal with Nixon they therefore use more capitalism than the USSR did, which is called a mixed market, i.e., a mix of private and public.
1. When the Saudis recently pumped oil like there was no tomorrow, it crashed the oil prices. That really hurts Russia and they tend to think the Saudis do it on the behalf of the USA. Similar happened in the late 1980s. It was a key factor in the USSR going bankrupt, along with costs like the Afghan War and Chernobyl. The Soviet Union had massive overheads and no way of funding them all. They turned to the IMF and World Bank for loans. Those loan conditions dictated the Soviets transitioned to being primarily a market economy, i.e., not being so socialist etc (that is what the IMF and World Bank do all over the world). Nail in the coffin.
Former Soviet enterprises and assets were sold off cheaply. Many were liquidated and this destruction of industry interestingly matched very closely with NATO targeting for strategic nukes. The Russian people received shares in the privatized companies, which were bought up by anybody who had money. This created the oligarchs of the Yeltsin era, who were the people mostly affected by Putin's nationalizations, along with many western investors, e.g., Yukos oil. The Americans still have not forgiven Castro for doing similar to US investors, or Iran and Venezuela either, so I doubt they will forgive Russia for decades. Uncle Sam has a very long memory when it comes to messing with the capital of US investors.
P.S. Hooks on a net? You are talking about a long line, which is mostly used for tuna fishing. A different thing than a trawl. There are three main types of trawl. Mid water, bottom, and pelagic.
P.P.S. On submarine reactor disposal. I am finding records of international funding allocated in the mid 2000s. That work could be ongoing, but I have not yet found if funding continues beyond what was agreed back then. Part of it is about non-proliferation. There were attempts steal enriched uranium for third party buyers, e.g., two North Korean spies were discovered trying to buy it.
How did you get my kosatka?
I love how you try to say the names of the russian boats and say nailed it, totally get it. Lmao
30 liters a DAY? Yikes!
Seems to me the Russians should be using un-manned underwater robots that can be deployed from the Orenburg to avoid putting human life at risk. In that way, she would be able to study just about any place in the ocean, or conduct missions there.
20:40 hell of a robustness test...
Dont those hatches open easier under water, cuz of air pressure inside?
Only if you actively pressurize the tube.
How did the st George hit a trawler? I would think they could hear it no?
1.18.46 min he is showing sub name LOSHARIK word LOSHARIK comes from word LOX which stands for LOSER . why would they name boat like that,
If that's the case, poor poor whale.
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