I learned Jazz drums from my dad's old records when I was 3 or 4. He bought me a practice pad for christmas after hearing me play along with his miles Davis Kind of blue album with a pair of sticks I got ahold of him.
That is amazing! Joe you are definitely one of the lucky ones. I had a dad who helped me learn about music, but it was mostly in a rock and blues style. Still extremely grateful for that inspiration, but I wish I had more jazz influence at a younger age. I feel like it took a long time to learn jazz for me.
Thank you for the kind words. I'm trying to give good information. It can be hard because there is so much I want to talk about it can get into overload territory very quickly. But I really appreciate it! If you ever have other drum set questions please let me know, I'd be happy to try and help.
@@caseydoremus5324 no matter what you say, even if entirely factual, you'll get hate. Do your best to educate. You're doing more than the average armchair youtube commentor that craps on any drum video that contradicts their personal opinion.
Loved the video. No school band instruction ever for me to small of country town school. Learned all my music on the street. I am a self taught jazz drummer early on that played also electronic drums in church late in life. I play in a Jazz blue note trio now, retired Army. I’m the only one that does not know how to read. I would get a lot more union work if I could read. Played contemporary rock cover music early but made my most money professionally playing all original country. I agree with every thing you taught in your video. I’ve recently been trying to sing and play Jazz and no one does it. Plenty of singers in terms of rock drummers though. I constantly teaching my self to be a better brush player for cocktail and wedding gigs. My advise for the young is to search You tube in terms of classic fake book Jazz players 30’s, 40’s and 1950’s and play drums with head phones. Enamored with rhythms of Brazilian, African, cuban groups also. Hope that embellishes what you have already said.
Todd, I hope that these videos will be helpful for a kid in a similar situation that you were in. Drum set is not every music teachers thing, and hopefully this will help them feel more comfortable. That's awesome you are still playing man! What was it like coming back to music after leaving the Army?
Casey, my wealth management advisor was a trombone player in the local community band and base player in our local retirement village’s Bella Vista Big band. He asked me to play a union gig in Oklahoma City at Cowboy hall of fame backing up with two professional women singers singing Andrew Sisters tunes. Worked out swell, 800 in attendance, first job back from deployment. He also landed me a Job with the Bella Vista Big Band. Faked my way through all the tunes where the band thought I was reading. They never asked me back after they found out I could not read. Then my trombone bass player friend invited me to play a wedding gig with the Bella Vista Big band off shoot called the Sugar Creek Jazz Band. Readers Learn how to stir the pot with brushes. People love it especially when they can have a conversation plus drink and eat while you’re playing. Then I purchased a set of Rolands black car tire V-Drums paying at a local steak house with solo guitarist and sax player. Base guitar samples backup were down-loaded off internet. Whole band effect with just 2 of us. Got to sing a little bit. Same electronic set, was invited for studio time on a original New Age Music album called “Primitive Wrist 2000” fun project. Amazing how digital studios are so attainable and cost effective these days compared to to the old sound on sound 4 track Ampex days. Then I started playing contemporary Christian for 5 years with click track and back up whole song samples for compleat professional band effect. Also played in all Hispanic church at the same time frame. Wow! Hispanics great lively rhythm feels with emotional dynamics kept me on my toes. Now retired retired just play in a fake book straight ahead Jazz trio inviting cameo musician appearances that come and go with the best musicians in our area. only happens in the winter when musicians are not employed. We sneak in the back of our beautiful old historical auditorium built in 1886. We pull out the refurbished Steinway piano middle of stage with one stick for loudness. Upright bass sound so good in there with a light pickup. Again every ones reading except me. Take it from me viewers learn how to read music! I would of got a lot more jobs in my life. You can never remember all the head and time signature changes on 40 songs that you only play once in a while, vamping no problem. Also work on your solos even though the late Charlie Watts and Ringo Star made millions with out ever playing a solo. This does not mean that you can get away without play one. That’s what I’m working on now 4 measure solos with my singing/playing at the same time.
@@toddmaberry2264 Digital studios are crazy now a days for the average person. And I am grateful I learned to read. It has helped me get through a lot of gigs. It is hard to learn a lot of tunes perfectly by ear. But it sounds like you are doing a darn good job at it.
Traditionally, most people don't comp anything with saxes. It's typical a cross stick on the snare on beat 4 and that's about it. Again, I say TRADITIONALLY. Partly because the woodwinds back before amplification would of been covered up if the drums tried to comp with them. I think it's still pretty common to not try and play the sax melody patterns with them at this point. But you never know maybe it could work for certain situations.
Good basic teaching. 2 problems I see are; 1. Jazz cymbal pattern is a triplet feel, not a dotted 8th & 16th. Jim Chapin and most of the arrangers write it wrong and it's kept lot of drummers from swinging. Max Roach played a dotted feel and Philly Joe played a triplet feel. Philly's time was more elastic and flowing. 2. Why are your drums tuned for rock, when you're teaching Jazz or do you tune that way for Jazz?
Drum Charts are written terribly! haha I know exactly what you mean George. I actually did a video talking about that. I'm not sure if the video helps AT ALL considering the topic is so broad, but especially middle school jazz band charts... AHH I could just scream at those composers/arrangers. They write it out in the worst way possible. I do a large variety of styles, lower toms for me is just more suitable to what I do. My band plays everything from Sinatra to Uptown Funk. Where the jazz tuning works for Sinatra, it doesn't really work for modern stuff... I know it's an opinion (not fact) but I think you can fake a Sinatra tune with rock toms better than the other way around. And in regards to the snare... I wasn't a big fan of marching band, but that marching snare sound appeals to me. I don't try to get that crazy tight sound. I have to admit I push it more in that direction though.
I like some of the things you are saying here to help kids and teachers out. But a lot of this jazz stuff is either misleading, or will start them on the path to bad habits.
Jazz is a difficult subject. It use to be the garage band style music. Very raw and self-taught. Now there is a very specific structure to it. I find that for me I have had to find a space somewhere in the middle. These concepts are what my professor in college used to help me find a better jazz style. What bad habits do you see forming?
@@caseydoremus5324 it definitely was a good video. The only bad habits would be only playing on the edge of the cymbal. Or that the high hat is the time keeper. I think the time is more internalized. That's all really, still a good video for beginners. I'm self taught jazz guy btw. No fancy schooling for me. Lol
@@bgp4923 I appreciate the discussion. I'm not trying to challenge you in a negative way. I try to play closer to the edge of the cymbal. If you see other videos of me playing I know over time it creeps up to more the center. If I can play on the 1/3 of the edge or 1/4 of the edge that is my goal. Honestly I never thought about keeping time with my leg until my teacher pointed out that when I was learning a new pattern I never sounded solid until my leg started moving on quarter notes. It wasn't intentional at all, but after he pointed it out I made a point of doing that. I also like to teach that to young students because they have a hard time feeling out the music. And when a 6th or 7th grader gets to a rest in the music their brain freaks out and they are scared to come back in. When I get a young kids moving their heel they always nail coming back in. Sort of a built in metronome.
@@caseydoremus5324 yeah you are totally right. Teaching the kids requires a bit of modification. I guess I just recommend kids listen to tons of jazz. Definitely do appreciate what you are trying to do here with these videos. Definitely keep doing these videos and inspiring people
I learned Jazz drums from my dad's old records when I was 3 or 4. He bought me a practice pad for christmas after hearing me play along with his miles Davis Kind of blue album with a pair of sticks I got ahold of him.
That is amazing! Joe you are definitely one of the lucky ones. I had a dad who helped me learn about music, but it was mostly in a rock and blues style. Still extremely grateful for that inspiration, but I wish I had more jazz influence at a younger age. I feel like it took a long time to learn jazz for me.
This video is underrated, excellent work man!
Thank you Ethan, that is very kind of you. I appreciate it. I've been lucky to have a lot of very positive people commenting like yourself.
Thank you. Lucid, clear, and bits of history.
I really hope it was helpful! Are you trying to learn or are you a music teacher?
This is a great video. Watched all 18 min. Couldn't believe you only have 118 subs. The video was structured very well, thanks for the upload.
Thank you for the kind words. I'm trying to give good information. It can be hard because there is so much I want to talk about it can get into overload territory very quickly.
But I really appreciate it! If you ever have other drum set questions please let me know, I'd be happy to try and help.
@@caseydoremus5324 no matter what you say, even if entirely factual, you'll get hate. Do your best to educate. You're doing more than the average armchair youtube commentor that craps on any drum video that contradicts their personal opinion.
Loved the video. No school band instruction ever for me to small of country town school. Learned all my music on the street. I am a self taught jazz drummer early on that played also electronic drums in church late in life. I play in a Jazz blue note trio now, retired Army. I’m the only one that does not know how to read. I would get a lot more union work if I could read. Played contemporary rock cover music early but made my most money professionally playing all original country. I agree with every thing you taught in your video. I’ve recently been trying to sing and play Jazz and no one does it. Plenty of singers in terms of rock drummers though. I constantly teaching my self to be a better brush player for cocktail and wedding gigs. My advise for the young is to search You tube in terms of classic fake book Jazz players 30’s, 40’s and 1950’s and play drums with head phones. Enamored with rhythms of Brazilian, African, cuban groups also. Hope that embellishes what you have already said.
Todd, I hope that these videos will be helpful for a kid in a similar situation that you were in. Drum set is not every music teachers thing, and hopefully this will help them feel more comfortable. That's awesome you are still playing man! What was it like coming back to music after leaving the Army?
Casey, my wealth management advisor was a trombone player in the local community band and base player in our local retirement village’s Bella Vista Big band. He asked me to play a union gig in Oklahoma City at Cowboy hall of fame backing up with two professional women singers singing Andrew Sisters tunes. Worked out swell, 800 in attendance, first job back from deployment. He also landed me a Job with the Bella Vista Big Band. Faked my way through all the tunes where the band thought I was reading. They never asked me back after they found out I could not read. Then my trombone bass player friend invited me to play a wedding gig with the Bella Vista Big band off shoot called the Sugar Creek Jazz Band. Readers Learn how to stir the pot with brushes. People love it especially when they can have a conversation plus drink and eat while you’re playing. Then I purchased a set of Rolands black car tire V-Drums paying at a local steak house with solo guitarist and sax player. Base guitar samples backup were down-loaded off internet. Whole band effect with just 2 of us. Got to sing a little bit. Same electronic set, was invited for studio time on a original New Age Music album called “Primitive Wrist 2000” fun project. Amazing how digital studios are so attainable and cost effective these days compared to to the old sound on sound 4 track Ampex days. Then I started playing contemporary Christian for 5 years with click track and back up whole song samples for compleat professional band effect. Also played in all Hispanic church at the same time frame. Wow! Hispanics great lively rhythm feels with emotional dynamics kept me on my toes. Now retired retired just play in a fake book straight ahead Jazz trio inviting cameo musician appearances that come and go with the best musicians in our area. only happens in the winter when musicians are not employed. We sneak in the back of our beautiful old historical auditorium built in 1886. We pull out the refurbished Steinway piano middle of stage with one stick for loudness. Upright bass sound so good in there with a light pickup. Again every ones reading except me. Take it from me viewers learn how to read music! I would of got a lot more jobs in my life. You can never remember all the head and time signature changes on 40 songs that you only play once in a while, vamping no problem. Also work on your solos even though the late Charlie Watts and Ringo Star made millions with out ever playing a solo. This does not mean that you can get away without play one. That’s what I’m working on now 4 measure solos with my singing/playing at the same time.
@@toddmaberry2264 Digital studios are crazy now a days for the average person. And I am grateful I learned to read. It has helped me get through a lot of gigs. It is hard to learn a lot of tunes perfectly by ear. But it sounds like you are doing a darn good job at it.
Great video!
Thank you I really appreciate it. I hope it was helpful. Do you teach or play?
Excellent video. And your haircut was fine.
Thank you Tom! I hope you enjoyed it, and thanks I work hard on the hair!
Great insights!! Thanks for sharing! When do we use the bass drum to play a melody pattern comping a sax for eg
Traditionally, most people don't comp anything with saxes. It's typical a cross stick on the snare on beat 4 and that's about it.
Again, I say TRADITIONALLY. Partly because the woodwinds back before amplification would of been covered up if the drums tried to comp with them. I think it's still pretty common to not try and play the sax melody patterns with them at this point. But you never know maybe it could work for certain situations.
Good basic teaching. 2 problems I see are; 1. Jazz cymbal pattern is a triplet feel, not a dotted 8th & 16th. Jim Chapin and most of the arrangers write it wrong and it's kept lot of drummers from swinging. Max Roach played a dotted feel and Philly Joe played a triplet feel. Philly's time was more elastic and flowing. 2. Why are your drums tuned for rock, when you're teaching Jazz or do you tune that way for Jazz?
Drum Charts are written terribly! haha I know exactly what you mean George. I actually did a video talking about that. I'm not sure if the video helps AT ALL considering the topic is so broad, but especially middle school jazz band charts... AHH I could just scream at those composers/arrangers. They write it out in the worst way possible.
I do a large variety of styles, lower toms for me is just more suitable to what I do. My band plays everything from Sinatra to Uptown Funk. Where the jazz tuning works for Sinatra, it doesn't really work for modern stuff... I know it's an opinion (not fact) but I think you can fake a Sinatra tune with rock toms better than the other way around. And in regards to the snare... I wasn't a big fan of marching band, but that marching snare sound appeals to me. I don't try to get that crazy tight sound. I have to admit I push it more in that direction though.
Style (Rock) always came from going against the norm
Very true, I think rock is great and a lot of players should take a lot of influence from rock
I like some of the things you are saying here to help kids and teachers out. But a lot of this jazz stuff is either misleading, or will start them on the path to bad habits.
Jazz is a difficult subject. It use to be the garage band style music. Very raw and self-taught. Now there is a very specific structure to it. I find that for me I have had to find a space somewhere in the middle. These concepts are what my professor in college used to help me find a better jazz style.
What bad habits do you see forming?
@@caseydoremus5324 it definitely was a good video. The only bad habits would be only playing on the edge of the cymbal. Or that the high hat is the time keeper. I think the time is more internalized. That's all really, still a good video for beginners. I'm self taught jazz guy btw. No fancy schooling for me. Lol
@@bgp4923 I appreciate the discussion. I'm not trying to challenge you in a negative way. I try to play closer to the edge of the cymbal. If you see other videos of me playing I know over time it creeps up to more the center. If I can play on the 1/3 of the edge or 1/4 of the edge that is my goal.
Honestly I never thought about keeping time with my leg until my teacher pointed out that when I was learning a new pattern I never sounded solid until my leg started moving on quarter notes. It wasn't intentional at all, but after he pointed it out I made a point of doing that.
I also like to teach that to young students because they have a hard time feeling out the music. And when a 6th or 7th grader gets to a rest in the music their brain freaks out and they are scared to come back in. When I get a young kids moving their heel they always nail coming back in. Sort of a built in metronome.
@@caseydoremus5324 yeah you are totally right. Teaching the kids requires a bit of modification. I guess I just recommend kids listen to tons of jazz. Definitely do appreciate what you are trying to do here with these videos. Definitely keep doing these videos and inspiring people
@@bgp4923 They have to listen and find at least one person to play with. If you don't play the music, you'll never get it.