WHY build a Plex Media Server for Transcoding?
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2019
- Some people think Direct Play is the ONLY play.... Do you?
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The worst thing is when you have gigabit internet and people specifically decide to choose 0.7 Mbps on their end.
@Joe Thunder you can, and I have to server limit people to 480p 1.5Mbps because I only have 3Mbps upload...I'm jelly
Maybe their internet isn't consistent and/or using a service that has a data cap.
I have a gigabyte internet, quality on plex is set at 4mb 720p. Should I increase it to max ? "Set the default quality for streaming video over the internet. If quality is set too high, videos will start slowly and pause frequently"
My dual xeon E5-2695 v2's can handle it + GTX 960 unlocked for NVENC
Sometimes people cant and sometimes Plex cant play better quality.. Im using my tablet and dont have unlimited data and cell coverage isnt the best in Sweden.
Plex often picks 0.7Mbit especially with the newer idiot updates
Love your plex server videos. I'd like to see some optimal settings videos for different types of ISP speeds. Keep up the good work.
Gotta say your production quality has improved since last time I watched! 1440p and it looks MKBHD crispy :)
i'm in the planning process of upgrading my plex situation, but i'm also sorta new to all this hardware stuff and have been swimming in choices about the direction I wanted to go in (self build vs ready made vs nas vs etc), this vid cleared a lot of stuff up for me! go raibh maith agat!
I agree. Transcoding is a necessity in many cases. Those that say it should not be transcoded do not live in the reality of different clients, slow internet speeds, and many other things that may prevent direct play
Thanks for telling me about nvidia shield. You solved my problems. Good video
How could I use a cctv NVR as a Plex transcoding server.
Thank you for covering this topic. But they're are even use cases that you hadn't mentioned. In our household we always transcode to 8mbps for our internal streams for 2 reasons: 1. We have 3 Chromecast players and they just can't handle the original bitrate of our blu-ray media. 2. We frequently use (image-based) subtitles, which require transcoding (and that can't even be die in hardware). And we don't want to bother with fiddling around with text-based subtitles or creating "pre-transcoded" copies of our media. So transcoding is extremely useful to us and I wish that the channel would also test those "higher bitrate" and "image-based subtitles" scenarios in future transcoding tests.
i will hug my 1g fiber connection in both directions :)
I'm getting used to plex now.....love it......got all my TV and movie stuff on it!....although it will buffer at times🤔...
Great video Jason!! question....i have both my pc and my shield as servers, BUT, what i want to do is buy a external drive for my shield and bring all my movies to that, so that i won't have to always leave my pc running. Like a 6TB drive or so, would that work ok? and....thanks!! Oh and if it matters, i have 400Mbps down and about 25 to 30 up
How much bandwidth would one need to serve 10 simultaneous streams from a home server to outside clients? Is that even possible? Would using Ultra Seedbox be a better option for that?
Hi! Great video.Right now I have an asustor nas and i want to build a plex server but it is going to be not enough powerful to trancoding. Im thinking to build a xpenology server just for some friends and family, no more than 20 users and not every of them are going to connect at the same time. Which could be a good hardware to have good transcoding? I have seen that intel has a dedicated cpu called quick sync, are these cpu better for transcoding than an i5, i7, ryzen 5 or 7? Thanks in advance
Thank you so much for covering this topic. I understand some arguments around this for instance.. When people have total control over all clients connecting to their server, unfortunately; however, that is not always the case. I am not sure why that is lost on so many people. Direct play is indeed not always an option.
You da man, Jason! Thank you for advocating rationally and putting forth a logical argument. You are not wrong AT ALL and you always put out solid useful content. I hope some open their minds to others use cases after watching your video.
You do a review using a p2000 or p4000 quattro for transcoding?
I know you did one with your server and got 8 to 12. Some reviews using an extremely old i5 were getting 20-22 with a p2000
I need an advice... im looking to find a way play 4k movies from my PC to smart TV via plex, but issue is with internet upload speed its only 40mb, tv currently hooked to wifi, idk if wired connection will help. but it wonder if i can connect it some how via wire to make local network, where upload speed doesn't matter ?
I just want play 1 4k movie at the time... and store everything on my nas drive on pc. and play original 4k...
When you're sharing your media server, PLEX, it is up to you how to make that media available to your friends. You're not making any money off of it, therefore you could tell them to not allow videos to transcode or have them get something like an Apple TV 4K and have most of the videos direct play right away.
If they don't want to comply with your rules, they don't have to use your server and can get media files themselves or bring a flash drive to which you can upload.
The beauty though is that Plex has been improving their player, so a lot of files will direct play already.
Does the streaming over the Internet by family and friends (and friends of friends) of your video collection use up much of your bandwidth? Do you have a limit on your unlimited Internet access or a threshold at witch speed is throttled down? Building the server and making videos about building the server provide a good way of keeping you busy and out of trouble.
hello ^^, have you ever heard of uhd630 Intel QSV for plex media server ? it is available on multiple cpu for a cheap plex server i would like to know if I5 8300H (mini pc) will be good or even i7 8750H because i found that i7 8700k is plenty for 6 streams of 4K transcoding but.. i want to know if cheaper solution is still good or not, maybe got bottleneck by cpu.. these mini pc is available for pretty cheap
I have been trying to convert all of my media files to h.264 mp4, and I think I have been largely successful. But I think I still have some older files that need converting. Is there as easy way (on Ubuntu) to scan through my media directories and spit out a list of videos that need converting? I have each movie in a subdirectory of its own.
Hey good day so I have a dedicated home theater I have a Western Digital ex4100 I want to use this for a dedicated plex server for my theater I do not want to share files can I use the Western Digital blue hard drive for this as I do not have the budget for the red thank you?
can you use a Nas as storage and a pc with an apu or cpu/gpu to do the ranscoding?
I need to use transcoding because of subtitles. Having a family that are not native English means that they watch movies with subtitles. Plex however is unable to direct play and all subtitles to the video without transcoding. This becomes a big problem with 4K content as you can imagine. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know
Have you tried having them use the subtitle function on the client itself? I just tested this and was able to direct play while adding subtitles. support.plex.tv/articles/subtitle-search/
Andrew Maxey Thank you so much for the suggestion! I do use this but every time I select a subtitle to be used, plex transcodes the video. If no subtitles are selected than it just direct plays...
What client are you using and what is the subtitle type? Most clients can do .srt locally but if it's something like .ass with stylised subs, Plex will usually transcode
Kidsnd274 I’m using plex tv app on an LG tv. Plex still transcoded when I tried viewing the file on a PC, so not sure if it’s a client issue, but might be something to test further as I never thought about the possibility. The subtitles are in .srt
@@Koiworks84 When viewing on PC, are you using Google Chrome? From my experience, it will still transcode if you are using Google Chrome (even HEVC content transcodes). Try using the Plex Media Player app on Windows, it direct plays almost anything (if not everything if ur PC supports it) ( www.plex.tv/apps-devices/#modal-devices-plex-media-player )
Hey buddy I want to get basically a private server for myself to play on several different TVs in my house but to store all of my movies and TV shows on it I have a lot of VHS tapes and DVDs and I wanna know how to do that without everybody in the world being able to get onto it it’s just my house hold how would I go about doing that
Because Plex is brain dead and forces transcoding even when a device is capable of direct play? And the devs refuse to add a Force Direct Play option?
Well thats not true lol, I can direct play everything on my home LAN
I guess the better question is why does it matter to other people how person consumes media. It's not just remote clients, compatibility and bandwidth can be a real problem on your own network. What I like about Plex is that I can watch media whatever Plex device I want and wherever I want.
Example: Sometimes I just want to stream OTA TV to an older iPad, and this is only possible with transcoding as the experimental (at the time) Plex decoder doesn't work on some older iPads. But this can be true with many different types of devices and configurations.
Sorry for writing in a old video in my case i want to share my videos with my brother whom dosnt live in my house.
In other hand i have a 4k tv and videos but my parents dont, they have a 1080 tv, i need transcoding right?
Sorry for the bad english.
Would this cpu be to much for plex server AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2920X (12-Core/24-Thread) Processor 4.3 GHz Max Boost 38MB Cache ?
Hey Jason, this is a really helpful video. thank you very much for it. I just need to know, is it better to keep 4k hdr file and transcode it automatically or keep a 1080p version of the same file. Currently I'm keeping 4k and 1080p versions of the files in the same folder. I just need to know how you do it and you opinion in this matter. Saving space is a huge a factor here. cheers.
Transcoding 4k automatically is a huge performance draw compared to 1080. Unless you have a dedicated GPU transcoder, that's probably not your best option. In my case, for now - I've put all my 4K content into a separate library and only granted access to shared users that can direct play it.
Andrew Maxey honestly it’s a good idea to keep 4K content separately. But 4K and 1080p version of the same file takes lots of hard drive space.
I only stream from the PC upstairs to my living room and it hardly ever uses Direct Play, always says the compression profile is too high
Hi
I want to get a nVidia Quattro gpu working with a plex jail in freenas. Would be nice to make a how-to-make-it-work video!
Any Videos on What Settings you use ?
Does the cpu or the video card do the transcoding?
I "transcoded" my whole library from 20+ mbit/s h.264 to 1080p/2-5 mbit/s h.265!
quality is literally the same. you cannot tell the difference when the movie is playing. but I saved a lot of space and bandwidth. h.265 is your solution, I promise!
As of right now when I'm posting this, what you're recommending is a bad idea if you have anyone syncing files for offline usage or have clients that can't stream 265. Then your server is transcoding everything back to 264 very slowly with a potentially large performance hit, as well as the additional temporary storage for the transcoded files.
I may not run Plex I do use Emby and let it trans code cause I have noticed that the chromecasts seem to only want vp9 codec. BTW I went the route of Emby cause it was the only media server that I could figure out how to stream live OTA TV but a lot of the info that is valid for Plex is also valid for any media streaming server.
I also prefer Emby because I don’t have to separate TV shows from movies in my NAS as Plex requires.
I love you and with my amazing symmetrical gigabit internet I'm glad you jelly
Only one gig down? What a peasant, I get two gigs.
@@starscream42 I'm not worthy!!!
Shhhhh
@@starscream42 Hungary - > 2 Gbps up and down for 55 euros a month... :)
@@victorshane4134 got a link to this?
If I'm only using plex over my home network would something like a cheap synology ds220j be able to handle direct play of 4k content
Jason, what is your all time favorite file type to rip in? In your opinion, what is going to give you the best quality assuming you can Direct Play within your home network. Great video as always man. Keep kicking ass!!!
He mentioned MakeMKV a few years ago, so I'd bet that's his preferred file type for media, back in what, 2015?
So what if I not only have a 1Gig connection, but told you that I could get a 10 gig connection at my house and I am working on getting switches that can handle 10 gig? BTW - I have a half rack if you would like it!
So are you saying in my own home my modem is restricting bandwidth between two different devices?
Ah ha! That's what my Quadro card in my Plex server is doing 😋
Yup. And thats the only way to do hw transcoding with ESXi, ProxMox or HyperV
Use at Home two Xbox One X Consoles with PKC for full passthrough. For external Access there are one Fire TV Stick (4K) and three Xbox One Consoles which using the Plex App.
For remote its possible with 1080p@8mbit.
My Connection is 400/40.
So 5 Streams at once are possible
I have a super complicated Plex Media server (well more complicated than it should be) but will be moving all the files and transcoding to a single PC in a few weeks. Will be moving to a AMD FX-8350 and a GTX 1050 Ti, from a i7 4790k and GTX 980, should still be plenty of computing power for 3 plex users, two are offsite and require a little transcoding (my upload is 40Mb) most of my movies are 10mbit or less encoded, so most of fhe time transcoding isn't needed, but sometimes it is.
Because I want to watch a Blu Ray Rip without burned in Subtitles on a Google Chromecast
Is it possible to do any sort of streaming on a 5Mb/256Kb connection? I live in a rural area and that's the best I can get.
What kind of streaming? If you mean sharing your content with others outside of your home network, not really. 256Kb just sucks balls.
If you’re talking just streaming in your own home, you can stream anything you want from your Plex server.
waituntilthebeep Set up a PC with Plex on it and stream your own stuff. That’s what Plex is for; we don’t have to worry about slow internet since all the streaming is local.
I transcode to save disk space. I have Smart TV's in the house that cannot decode HEVC /H.265 video, but I encode video with that codec as the file size is between 50 and 65% of the same video encoded with AVC / H.264. Plex makes sure my TV's can play everything.
Lol I just got symmetric gigabit speeds for 60 bucks. Super awesome
Nice, Are you actually getting 200mb down and up? or 22mb down and up? ;)
I have transcoding setup because I have my server set to only put out lower bitrate over internet for a smoother experience, because most of my users are on Wi-Fi. I have an i7 it doesn't affect my use of the PC.
I'm specifically going to make a transcode box. I have an r710 but the cpu's don't have enough horsepower. Going to put an cheapo rtx card in a cheap mini atx tower with 8 or 16gb of RAM and that's going to be my plex server with HW transcode built in. Should be pretty cheap to put together and can do way more simultaneous streams than CPU transcoding for a fraction of the electricity.
Hmm.. why do you edit the video after every (cut) sentence (cut) you say (cut).. the jittering is very Max Headroom.
4:50 but but I like your videos. Not my fault I got symmetrical. 😁
Why not just show it on your tv connected to your spare PC? In that case, I should be looking for HTPC?
Bandwidth over the internet and Internet access in the US has very limited upload bandwidth
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I've seen some peoples screenshots which show that they direct play yet i'm forever transcoding, apparently. My media files are stored on my PC & i'm playing the video files on my TV via the TV Plex App. The TV and the PC are connected to my router via cat 6 cable. Most movies play no problem (inc. blu rays) but some buffer like crazy and can be unwatchable. 1) Why is this 2) Will direct play fix this and 3) how do i direct play?
Your tv probably doesn't support the file format of those few that don't work right which is causing plex to transcode. The buffering may be caused by your server not being able to transcode fast enough. Direct play would solve these problems and the way to do it would be to access your server from a device that supports more file formats like an nvidia shield or a dedicated home theater pc.
@@mudkipsss Thanks for the explanation. The TV I have i bought maybe about 5 years ago now. It's a Panasonic 58DX750B. www.panasonic.com/uk/support/discontinued-products/televisions/tx-58dx750b.html. The video files are currently in .mkv format as they're direct from using MakeMKV.
Transcoding is what makes Plex so great! Anyone who doesn't see the value in it is really missing one of Plex's best features.
"There is people out there like that" - lol
So you have a SD video you can transcoding to 1080
Wait, symetric gigabit? That for home... The server is at symetric 10gbit to be able to serve mine and my friends gbit connections...
I have 750Mbps upload and still need transcoding. I have family that live in a small town where 10Mbps download is the absolute max available. I have a friend who lives in an area that has a max of 3Mbps. So upload speed doesn't matter if the people you are sharing with do not have the speed to accept the raw files.
......because I want every last bit (hehe) of my storage to go towards making my library as large as possible. A $150 CPU can run 5 hevc transcodes at once with hardware transcoding. Why is this still even a thing?
Haa, you don’t want to hear about my symmetrical 1000/1000Mbps FiOS internet connection!!!
Seriously though, look up to see if there are municipal fiber companies in your area. In Utah where im looking to move, i can get 10Gbps for $300mo if i want in areas where there is municipal fiber available!!
Need some help here guys streaming to my moms house - my internet is 10 Mbps up and she has 200 Mbps down. Doesn't matter what movie she watches on her roku client it brings the quality down to 640 bit rate, sd, 0.7 Mbps at 328p which is garbage. I feel horrible having her watch this low quality film when she picked a 1080p movie. Granted a 10 Mbps is not a lot but I have no problem maxing this out? On the low end using the plex generalized 4x equation: 720p at 2Mpbs at x4 I would be within my upload range and still a big jump in quality. I have messed with the settings but I get a reply of my internet connection is too slow to up the quality. Is there a way to up this? I know plex uses deep packet analysis but have idea how to go around it.
Simple reason really. My wife only uses the Chromecast, and my kids only use their handheld devices. At any given time I got 3 users transcoding. Me? I'm always rocking native. I need my Surround Sound.
gigabit fios here :)
What exactly does a GPU do for transcoding that make it better than a CPU?
GPUs are more powerful than cpus and can handle more for less cost. But, gpu xcodes can sometimes be slightly lower quality
@@Bytemybits Love your focus on Plex! Absorbing all you offer. I'm looking to build my Plex server. So, what specs do you recommend for the GPU?
Thank you!
Gig Up And Down Must needed!! seen direct play 4k uploading @250 mb +
Nvidia Quadro P2000?
Raw dogging it up
Yay more plex
Since 3 Days ago i had an Internet Upgrade from 2 - 2.5 MBit/s to 35-40 MBit/s, but since i am never watching stuff on Plex when i am not at home this is completely irrelevant
Uwielbiam ta aplikację jest za darmo działa na tv na telefonie tablecie i ps4 polecam wszystkim plex
I have fiber gigabit 😀
This is why I need soo much more horsepower in my media server... vlc can play a 1080p hevc x265 locally without any problems, but that same video playing via plex and transcoding the video for the web browser client... skips for 5 secs every 5 secs...
Everyone flexing their gigabit internet but do you have Comcast’s 2 gigabit up and down internet?? 😂😂
Do you?
Oliver White ya it’s great
Ryan Slavinsky Any data caps?
Oliver White nope 😁
You need a router than can do channel bonding (NIC teaming) or 10GE.
Whole hell of allot of money.
Plus you need 10GE nics on your server and a 10GE switch to be able to utilize that bandwidth with CAT6a or better ethernet cable.
If you have all that then you're golden.
Am I the only one wondering when he was going to drop ‘that’s what she said’?
I will Transcode because I use danish subtitles and that can be a hazzle
I got a message in my PLEX Logs that The Butler was unable to optimize my music because The Butler had to much to drink and got drunk but he will be back on the job tomorrow and he's sorry but he got listening to music on his PLEX Server and decided to party.
It's kind of like having friends riding in your car's back seat. Do you really want to trade with them? I let my friends entertain themselves with my movie library. As long as I've got a front seat, I'm good.
Sorry bro i know what you mean, I had a small internet connection. Till i got a 1gbps up and down connection.
I don't transcode on my plex server, I just stream the raw file.
Great video. Thanks for making it!
Plex RAM drive transcoding isn't all it's cracked up to be. I did some testing and found it wanting. Shameless plug to the forum post.
forums.plex.tv/t/plex-transcoder-ram-drive-experience/228696/23
I have GB internet. You can keep your server at my house.
I have Gb internet. :) You're welcome.
i think i unconsciously associate transcoding and buffering lol #CantWaitForZEUS2
I use mine for direct play only, I don't want to use up my internet when I'm not at home. Correction, I don't want my kids to use up my internet.. Both home and cellular since it would take up both.
Sorry I have better internet than you with my 1Gb up and down. But I will still watch your vids:)
I'm the guy in the intro
Well i have symetric gigabit fiber but i am struggeling to play a fucking 4k hdr movie on my local network because i don't have an i7 6900x an quadro RTX 8000
Just get Netflix/Prime/Hulu/etc. Adding heat to your home in summer just so your kids can stream movies to their phone just seems worthless to me.
Not first..
35 Mbit up?
**Looks at my 1000/15 internet connection**
😭
Yeah - I wondered about that too. Who has that?
We have 1000/50 here in New Hampshire.
I have 100mbps symmetrical speeds.
because you can't pre-transcode video to every format especially when you don't know what files doe it support! forums.plex.tv/t/chromecast-ultra-direct-play/410031
Plex does not "direct play." It doesn't "direct play" my HDR 4k videos in mkv file. VLC directly plays it with no issues.
Subtitles are a huge reason why a lot of my videos get transcoded
Teach your shared users how to do this: support.plex.tv/articles/subtitle-search/ .... If they still transcode after setting that up, then another more drastic (and time-consuming) approach would be to run your media through a tool that strips out the built-in subtitles, forcing them to use the above method.
@@andrewmaxey5258 I prefer to just use the built-in (image-based) subtitles and not bother with jumping through hoops tho get text-based subtitles.
You must have Comcast. Because I have 980Mbps down and 45Mbps down.
Hidden message to the far-left: 0:56.
mama says transcoding is the devil LOL
I have fiber gigabit internet