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The MOST POWERFUL Plex server ever made - Tesla V100 for Plex (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2019
- Holy balls! This might be the most imbalanced Plex server ever created! This is a follow-up on my Tesla V100 for Plex project that I started last month. I've since had to return the Tesla back to Wendell, but this was a fun endeavor!
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oo thx for shoutout :) Plex testing can be pain in the arse sometime amirite? lol
I need a Byte My Bits and Eposvox plex mega server collab
I wouldn’t mind a transcoding video card roundup, I’ve been thinking about getting a quadro for my server
That'd be nice if could put to rest if Amd can even do hw transcode acceleration
Please do a setup vid that is for regular users. I wanted to do a Plex server for about 5-10 people
follow up. not sure if you'd be interested in comparing something like a quadro p2000 to a 1050ti with nvidia restriction removal patch. that's a great way to pay 1/3 price for hardware for near same results.
I have an urgent question regarding running a V100 with desktop board and PSU: can I safely use a third party cable with this? My PSU's included 8-pin cable's connector in theory would fit the V100, but for the clip itself which is too fat to allow the connector to seat. I've read one should never use with a modular desktop PSU anything other than the included cables, but I don't know if this is without exceptions. If I can do so, I'd like to find a single 8-pin cable that's EPS (type 5) on one end and on the other end fits the GPU's 8-in connector.
Only bottleneck I have with my Plex server right now is the network speeds. Only currently near 1000 movies and multiple seasons of shows, but my family loves to be able to access it and a couple co-workers. I need to rip my 4k blurays onto it too, but I need to toss a few more of my WD 2TB RE Drives into the rigs to allow for it.
I did 32 streams with a Ryzen 1500x and a gtx1660 1080p streams..
What's the base resolution?
4K HEVC?
F
How does it do when you optimize different type of media? 4k, 1080p to 720p.
Article from the Verge... That's like panning for gold in the sewer.
L😂L
Completely agree with you on the storage thing. Literally, about $500-600 for a new LSI controller plus around $2,800 for 14x8TB HDD, cost of cables, and like $170-200 for a good NVMe 1TB cache drive, set up with triple parity, and you would have 88TB of space, could lose 3 drives and be fine, and never miss a beat on accessing the plex related drives. So, that would really be a better investment than a V100 or Quadros in general. Then just grab a GTX 1660/Ti, which does have 2 fewer NVENC chips than a V100 or high end volta cards, but has support for up to HEVC B frame, while having the same number of chips for NVDEC as most high end cards. Then spend a bit extra on the CPU and the NIC to guarantee your speed, and you would still have enough left over, compared to buying a V100, to buy a 10Gbps networking switch. Then just run batch files for making the alternate files, like you mentioned, and you are in pure glory mode. Since not doing it live, the restriction to 2 sessions is fine, while being at the ready if there is a file you didn't make an alternate file for streaming.
Edit: cheaper alternative to enterprise class 8TB drives is wait for the WD elements to go on sell for about $125, then snatch up 14 of them. That reduces the HDD cost for the raid to $1750. Or grab the 10TB WD elements if on sale for $150-160, which would be 110TB of usable storage with the cost being $2100-2240. Just have to shuck the drives. Same end result, though.
Edit 2: Of course a 10Gbps networking switch wouldn't be needed, but if wasting the money, might as well spend it on a network switch over a GPU is my thought.
The issue most people will run into with consumer Nvidia cards is that Nvidia's driver artificially limits transcoding to 2 simultaneous streams, even if the hardware has headroom for more. There are unofficial ways to lift that restriction.
I gotta ask. Why have an APU with a GPU? Wouldnt it have been more cost effective to buy a cpu with more cores and a cheap crap gpu for the basic server install?
You mentioned plex can auto select different resolutions if you had them stored already, how do you set this up?
store each version of file in the same folder movie name.mp4, movie name - 720p.mp4, movie name - 480p.mp4. Plex then gives a option to play which version, they choose the version which they want
@@Praveen-hr8qw No that is not the way it works automatically, When you have a paid subscription and are running the beta version (possibly without beta) it will do auto resolution based on available bandwidth for that users internet at the time.
@@Huzzahgamers_inc ah thats in account settings general, default quality you wanna do. But that's gonna transcode no?
Can you use a consumer grade card? If I wanted to use my 1080 or 980, to transcode out to maybe four or five devices at a time, max. Or use the 1080ti part time, when it isn't being used otherwise. For anyone wondering, I didn't upgrade from a 1080 to a 1080ti. We have a gaming LAN here, and there's more than one computer.
Because the Nvenc part of the silicon is different from the CUDA on Turing, will heavy CUDA use (games/fold@home) effect encoding/decoding, or vis versa? I realize the CPU is shared by all.
Won't really have any direct impact, no
wonder what it would do with a 3900X or thread ripper so everything gets audio....
"I'll invite you to my PMS, if you invite me to yours!" ^^
Have you considered adding some RAM and setting your transcode directory to a RAM disk? Super simple with software like ImDisk. My server feels incredibly responsive during general playback and when seeking in videos.
You could be the king of the hill by feeding your neighbor. 😄
That‘s crazy 😱
Nice room btw 😁👍
Hey epos can i get surround sound to work through plex? either on pc or console?
Krookymonster yes
Would this work with a Tesla K10?
Maybe you can answer my question. I have dual GPUs, a p2000 and rtx 2070. The older versions of PMS would use whichever GPU was set as my primary display as the GPU to use for HW transcoding. Now with PMS 1.17 it only uses my RTX card which can only do 2 simultaneous transcodes. I'm running windows 10. Thanks
No clue, that'd be a question for community support channels
@@EposVox Thanks for the response, I've tried the plex forums, and Reddit, and messaged Plex Employees. I've turned up with no answer.
PFFT, it's not even a cluster...
JK.
Damn this is baller. So technically you may have less problems with a "mere" quadro? Seeing as they have video outputs so you can use a beefier cpu and maybe stream more in a way?
Yep
I thought you needed QuickSync KabyLake or better to be able to do HEVC HW encode & decode (edit: I now see that the new PMS update supports nvidia gpus). Wouldn't that be a far cheaper option of achieving the same thing? Dope setup regardless.
I've only tried it once, but I haven't had any luck with creating "optimized" version of files... when the remote client (RasPlex, which could be the problem) requested an episode, the server transcoded the x265 file on the fly instead of getting the x264 "plex version" that I purposely created in a resolution and bitrate that would normally be direct played by that client. I might have to try again with the plex kodi plugin that the remote client is now using.
On another topic (and I have lazily not checked previous videos to see what happened in the past) will you be making a video if/when there is another lifetime PlexPass discount offer?
OK, when that happens, you need to go into the menu and change the version being streamed. Plex can stack the different versions into one selection. When selecting the file, click on the thumbnail. When it pulls up the description, go over to the three dots labeled "more." Click on "Play Version," then select the version on the disk that will not require the transcode. That should resolve your issue.
@@ajc-th5ei Thanks for the info, I recently discovered the play version option for situations like when plex decides that a trailer file is another version of a movie, but I'm not sure I can teach my parents how to use it when they have enough trouble remembering how to use more basic features ;-)
Their client is the only one that sometimes needs transcoding, so the server can handle it without issue, albeit with an unpredictable impact on CPU load.
The new AMD 3000 series are a fantastic choice for price v performance especially paired with a p2000 like Jason shows in his video. Based upon your findings though it looks like you're getting similar transcode performance to Jason with a significantly more expensive GPU. Wondering if there's a driver issue that prevents more than 30ish NVENC encodes/decodes to be performed at once.
I want to setup a plex server for personal use of my own library of movies etc. But trying to estimate storage requirements is where I am stuck. Any recommendations on how to estimate how much storage I need?
If you don't plan on compressing anything, ~25GB per 1080p bluray movie, ~40-70GB per 4K BluRay movie. TV shows are pretty variable.
@@EposVox that does help.
Still wish there was a basic calculator out there.
Any such thing would be a vast oversimplification that would probably do more harm than good
@@EposVox agreed. Just to help base line minimum storage. Estimates for stored transcodes is another calculation that goes crazy. Or just size for original quality estimates. This is where I am basically stuck unsure how much I need get for initial build storage wise.
How much power does this server suck down ?
hello ^^, have you ever heard of uhd630 Intel QSV for plex media server ? it is available on multiple cpu for a cheap plex server i would like to know if I5 8300H (mini pc) will be good or even i7 8750H because i found that i7 8700k is plenty for 6 streams of 4K transcoding but.. i want to know if cheaper solution is still good or not, maybe got bottleneck by cpu.. these mini pc is available for pretty cheap
8700k is definitely not enough for any streams of 4k transcoding.
Direct Play, sure, but not transcoding.
@@EposVox are you sure ? this is uhd 630 hw transcoding done with 8700k, 6 times 4K HDR transcode to 1080p
www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/9sv1ez/wowthis_intel_uhd_630_is_really_something_else/
Well that's using the iGPU. That is impressive if it can do it, but I have no idea what the other CPUs' iGPUs are capable of. Sorry I misread your original comment.
@@EposVox Sadly i can't find any information i'm looking for on youtube or even internet, seems that these mini pc aren't that common. They could have been a very good setup for an unRAID configuration with plex server on it for the price of a Shield TV or even an entry level NAS.
Thanks for the reply
Intel Quick Sync works great I have been able to hit 15 transcodes and 5 direct/stream/plays with only about 40-60% iGPU usage (720p/1080p only)
If you're sharing to offsite users and have the local infrastructure in place, just require your users to have a client to direct play/stream. Shift the hardware cost from yourself to your users if they really want access. Nvidia Shield or bust!
Creates Plex server. Runs Windows on it.
Everyone complains how bad Nvidia drivers are on Linux, why would I start there? :P
EposVox Not sure about the gpu you have, but nvenc works fine on Linux.
Not really, depends on Driver version and detection of the specific software. And NvDec doesn't even work on Linux for Plex unless you download the new in-beta transcoder pipeline which hadn't even released when I made this video. And part 1 moving to part 2 shows why NvDec is needed.
Linux doesn't magically fix everything.
But how??? No one ever explains this! How do you have different files for different devices! How does plex do this automatically?
Coming back a year later... I wish you would make a video on this.
So what I've taken away. I need to get a v100
1. buy 6TB HDD 2. Transcode to 3 most popular Formats/bitrates, 720p 2MBPS - Cellular, Straight aac. 3. You have fileserver that plays nativity without needing a GPU..
I pre-transcode my movies with RipBot to a size that won’t trigger a Plex transcode. People often cringe at the idea but the quality is much better than the quality of a Plex transcode anyway, so why not.
A server can never be expensive enough ;)
that sounds like intels M.O
Why should I not be able to do something similar with something like a 2080 ti? (obviously not AS many streams, but maybe 10ish?)
GeForce cards are limited to 2 streams per card
@@EposVox considering the quadro rtx line are physically the same silicon as the geforce stuff, this must be a driver limitation. I despise market segmentation based on software lockouts rather than hardware resources. Cisco does that kind of crap all the time too *sigh*
@@joshhardin666 It is. There are some hacky workarounds on Linux
Watched this and was thinking my Ryzen 7 1700 with a 1080 Ti was overkill for Plex.
I hear the fans but crazy video
So.... Your telling us you need a sound card....
I don't know that Plex can offload audio transcoding to a sound card, that's not really how it works.
Is the v100 32gb? Isn't it 16gb?
My bad there's two versions. Unbalanced is totally justified here. I bet you are only using a few gb of vram with that bottle neck
I don't get it why such a weak cpu?
I explained in part 1
Great, now Plex is going to face more lawsuits which will lead crippling restrictions or service shout down.
you should try a raspberry pi 3b+ or higher as a plex server, it works well.
For direct play, sure. Virtually anything can do that. For this kind of purpose, not in the slightest.
If you have lots of money to burn, yea go get a Quadro. For 1080p transcoding and even a couple of 4K transcoding streams, a Nvidia 1060 card is more than enough. It's supports both decode of NVENC and NVDEC of x265. It takes around 250 MB of GPU vRam to transcode a 1080p 20 Mbps stream, and ~ 900 MB for a 4K HEVC stream. Unless, you share your library with your whole damn town, I don't see a reason why someone needs a Quadro.
I get constaly buffering on plex :(
Aww I like that card. How much u selling it for 😁🙏
The plex server i run a 4th gen I7 32 gigs of DDR 3 with a 970 GXT in my computer with 28 TB of Storage. I share with at least 14 people and it works great. Works great. and if your wondering thats over 4k in movies 400 anime series and close to the same in TV shows
400 anime series, damn! Very nice.
@@therealrockguy100 Well 373 and counting 8) I have some I still need to name and add. Da1ken007 if you wanna look 8)
@@darkuserkain sweet. How do I take a look?
oh you're doing the thing i wanted to do. :O
Ever think of going with a 45 Drives product for a Plex server? We are currently in the mix right now playing with some interesting solutions for Plex Storinators:)
7742 + 8 V100 = all the streams
i just use directplay rather than transcode , just need devices that support it ^^
Rely on Plex making an optimized versions as a solution to transcoding is dumb cause will you make optimized version to the entire movies library? For several streaming levels?
If a remote viewer is interested in a TV show it makes sense to optimize it, but other than that are you gonna optimize each movie that a friend/family member will request?
As long as there is no option for the people you share with the library automatically make limited optimizations requests directly from the server, that's not a viable option.
Yes. The optimized versions are tiny and the cost of storage for a couple hundred gigs (at most usually) of optimized version is far lower than a Quadro P2000 or something for on the fly transcoding.
@@EposVox Yes I know. It's not about the cost of the storage but rather the trouble of "optimize me this" and "optimize me that"...I don't want to be bothered with these requests, and they wouldn't feel comfortable bothering me with them.
Thanks for replying.
@@lirazschreiber8103 I mean, you could just implement a policy of doing so based on use of existing content and as you import new content.
I prefer to use Ryzen Pro 2700 for ECC Support
Try to transcode a few 2160 100+mbs files over chromecast ultra. (I had to buy a shield to handle those files without transcoding and hdr)
Tbh, using shield clients everywhere where you have no need for transcode is the best solution i found for 4k. (No streaming services can close to the quality on sound or picture of a pure lossless 2160p hdr )
That thing is bigger than my daughter holy hell lol
Should do 29 streams
$200 plex server (on the cheap) search HP or Dell xeon w3550 older system, but cheap, returns on medical leases. Stupidly powerful. Not good for games or VR.
Thank goodness it was the original Independence Day.
Of course
they make tesla v100 with video out
How to suck all the fun out of watching a movie. >_
Or, how to have fun with enthusiast software and hardware
Vids still look amazing even in 240p using mobile data 4g lte 2bars
No they don't they might look ok at 480 but I would go no lower than that and I wouldn't consider that "amazing" just ok
@@patsyl8935 well considering I'm not pixel peeping like hell and use lower brightness than most on a oled phone
@@Pyro_5151 it's not pixel peeping, 240 looks like shit where 480 looks fine if you have limited data
Why not Intel, though? 9900/K/KS is definitely is not going to bottleneck it, no?
Because this is what I had available?
That being said the ryzen 3900x destroys in multithreading and cost the same price
@@lionsland2662 3900X doesn't have an iGPU and wouldn't work with this card due to the issues detailed in part 1
@@EposVox yes I know, I was just stating for a plex server that CPU makes more sense than the 9900k, I know it doesnt make any sense for the build, which was really cool btw
@@EposVox And what about AMD GPUs (not APUs)?
what about a sound card? o0
That's not really going to help with transcoding audio to not be played back via the sound card (if it could, the onboard card would be doing it) and Plex isn't set up to handle that anyway.
Rent out access to your server to you neighbours
Not really.
c ool dude
Is it trans-coding 4k bad or just trans-coding 4k bluray rips bad? I am about to embark on my own plex journey. I am currently getting my parts list together.
Great clickbait title, slapping a V100 to a pedantic CPU doesn't make it the most powerful Plex server ever. I would have to say dual new AMD Epyc's would be a good place to start.
Dual Epyc would be entirely overkill for a sever utilizing hardware transcoding. Those CPUs would be doing very little
@@EposVox I agree, but slapping a $7k GPU in doesn't make "the Best Plex server ever". You forgot to mention that Plex pass is required in order to utilize said feature. Maybe you did in video 1 but I haven't caught that part yet. Pound for pound, $$ for $$ the best performing GPU is actually a GTX 1070 as reported by slothtechtv another up and coming UA-cam channel.
Phenomenal site (when it's up)
www.elpamsoft.com/?p=Plex-Hardware-Transcoding
Will compare any GPU for Plex transcoding.
Someone needs a Threadripper server....
This guy has no idea how it works or even what he is talking about. I have a system with 4 Ryzen cards I got from ebay for $100 each and mapped them out in ffmpeg in a group and I stream over 100 1080p streams every day for at least 12 hours a day and I have less than $1000 in the whole setup. You don't need high dollar stuff to get a lot of streams
Well to say I have no idea what I'm talking about and then say you bought "Ryzen cards" is going to be a big L for you, homie.
I'm well aware of how all of this works and know exactly what I'm talking about. At no point did I *ever* state that you "need" this. Literally the ENTIRE point was to use absurd hardware that no one should use. That was quite literally the premise, something that no one should be building, purely because I got to play around with a V100 and wanted to do something fun.
You must be fun at parties, telling everyone about your "Ryzen cards" lmfao. Hope your week gets better, clearly it started off poorly!
Not one piece of server grade gear, a desktop computer with bloody windblows-10..... Yawn.
"Not one piece of server grade gear" - you mean aside from the specifically server-only, not-desktop GPU, which was the whole point of this video?
Also NVdec isn't supported on Linux, so until the new transcoder comes out, using it is honestly wasteful
Pfft 7K is kiddie money, to one up this try to get plex working with professional AV FPGA transcoders, you know the ones that can do 30+ real time 4K transcodes and cost ~30-50K XD
the 2 issues you will have with 4k and 4k hdr is having the network bandwidth ssd or 10-15 k rpm hdd ..
the more devices you want to cover streaming to the lesser the resolution has to be..
with 1 note do never use 5400 RPM and lesser hdd because they cause their own collective bottlenecks
My suggestion 7200 is a min rpm spec for raid thought the higherspindle speed you can go..
tking the limitation of bdrom off of the bdrom I owould think some bdroms could consume north of 7.5 gbps
I suspect you are likely down sampling to between 320x240-720x576, ewhich is likely being upscaled to 1080-4k hdr by the monitor by itself
the higher the resolution you seek the more bandwidth it takes it to send>>
whilst i have not used plex or similar media collection softwares from a streaming perspective I can tell you can bottleneck 320x240 resolution on 100mbps lan connection ..
I suspect you are double transcoding from 4k/4k-hdr down to between 320x240-720x576 then the screen upscaling to 1080p - 4k/4khdr ..
on a 1gbps wifi and lan you are going to be blowing a lot buffering out because the limitation of the resolution being used becaus ethe more devices you serve the stream quality has to go down
even acoss a 10gbps back plane you could serve 1-3 devices given the limitation of the resolution being used..
this is what I have learned using bother winamp and VLC as a streaming platform in the home for over he last 15-20 years..
with 10-20 devices streaming you aren't in a native 4k resolution nor are you in a native 1080p resolutions you are likely upscaling from 320x240 to reduce lan and wifi overheads ..
I own several laptops, 4 capable streaming tv's and several consoles that can be streamed too to know you have a great limitation of bandwidth and streaming capacity you can in the home network to know what you might see in upscale vs native is 2 vastly different things, and i think you are just finding out the limitations the server has between direct video card access via a matrix hdmi displaying up to 8 devices through hdmi, plus 30+ devices from lan and wifi connected phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, consoles, avr's, processors and tv's..
I will give you the hand clap for doing multiple device test on your home network however just because you can doesn't mean you should..
as a tech geek myself I have to wonder are you just big noting yourself doing a test like to so can saturate the home network and see what will fail..
from what I can tell you likely created your own bottleneck going above what the the server could physically handle
Whaaaat are you on about? 1080p BluRays are encoded at 28mbps, 4K blurays go between ~40mbps and 60mbps. At no point would anything buy a dying or ancient hard drive bottleneck that playback, nor would any networking hardware set up in the past 10 years.
@Kryštof Píštěk No, it's not. At all.
4K BluRays are on average around 50mbps bitrate. 4:2:0, compressed with HEVC. At no point would they bottleneck anything in terms of raw data rates.
As someone with a 100TB+ Array of 5400rpm drives, a large 4K library, and 3 active users in my home that stream 4K regularly at the same time I have never had a bottleneck with my server or my network (1gbps). I think whatever you did back in the day to cause your bottleneck with 320x240 wasn't the result of your network or hard drive speed.
Honestly, I just appreciate the confidence you have in this post. I mean, you're completely wrong of course, but at least it was amusing. lol
@Kryštof Píštěk Yaya, streaming just the raw uncompressed data would be nuts, but you'd also have nothing capable of decoding it. Plus, we're not actually given that file. Optical Media is not uncompressed.