Yes. Feelings are led by the heart and desires. Scripture says mans thoughts are always continually wicked. So the unsaved simply dont follow reason and truth but sinful thoughts & desires.
@@HiThereHeyThere "Yes. Feelings are led by the heart and desires. Scripture says mans thoughts are always continually wicked. So the unsaved simply dont follow reason and truth but sinful thoughts & desires." This is accurate. Unfortunately, Christians are more like the world and speak in the form of "I feel" rather than "I think" or "I believe". That makes them unreliable and very difficult to communicate with. They feel they don't need to be precise in their communications and they not only take offense when someone misinterprets what they said, they take offense when that someone advises them to be clearer and more accurate in their communications to avoid future misunderstandings.
@@sonyagraske376Your use of Idt (I don't think) through me off to begin with, as I had to figure out the initials. And by the time I figured it out, the point lost it's passion. But, because you were talking about thinking, and feeling, I thought I would respond anyway. And perhaps you are correct that many do not think, or feel.
People like Frank, Voddie, and many others, are wonderful examples of men defending the gospel. They are able to be realistic and in that vein put the true gospel in perspective. That’s what young people are fearful of, when someone challenges their thought process because then they will discover for themselves that they don’t know everything. Praise God for His enduring patience with His creation.
I love I believe in the big bang. I just know who banged it" . Thank you for so many helpful reminders in how we approach people and h9w we treat them as we represent the one who created us ALL. You are a blessing
I follow Frank and I would have liked to have heard a little more 'inside baseball' in this interview, because I've heard all of this before in any one of his talks to a college campus. This is a format to dive a little deeper into Cross-Examined or Frank himself. Bring him back for an encore Kirk!
Some of Turek's "inside baseball" can be seen in a video by *Mindshift, "Turek Takedown".* He quickly covers 10 Turek short videos. Ultimately Turek doesn't really have anything more than the basic (and illogical) theist arguments for god(s) -- at least I think I can confidently say that after having listened to hundreds of theists and seeking out tons of "evidence of god" videos online and simply never seeing/hearing anything that wasn't clearly illogical. In many cases the bad logic has been known for over a hundred years.
The reason you didn't hear more depth is because there isn't any. Turek is an utter bore. It's all rehearsed. He encourages people to stop thinking, through grossly oversimplified reasoning and bumper sticker theology. He's manifestly NOT a deep thinker.
As others have pointed out, Frank's job is essentially to con people into believing a bad idea. So he doesn't want you to think, because thinking would make you realize there's no foundation to the idea.
@@drumrnvaYou don’t have to be a deep thinker to share the gospel. The point is just to share the message. Simplifying it as much a possible is a great way to explain it to people who’ve never heard it. And even if it _is_ rehearsed, so what? The message is still valid.
🎉when I am asked a question that I'm not sure how to answer, I tell that person I'm not sure but give me a couple days and I will look it up. I want to be careful that what I am saying is scripture based and I tell them where to find it in the Bible.
Yes.... also unverifiable & unfalsifiable. So I wonder how a person can say * anything* about the supernatural with authority, much less employ such things in a persuasive discussion.
#justBELIEVE Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me. 15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.
But he isn't logical, Sara, so why would you say that? For example * one type of logic error is *just saying something's true for no reason; based on no logic or evidence.* * Frank makes this mistake twice when he makes the moral argument for god, by first saying (A) objective moral values exist and then (B) if they exist they're best explained by a god. Both points are made without logic. Without evidence. * you might sometimes hear people use the fancy terms for this type of mistake: fallacy of bare assertion, baseless claim, etc. They're just fancy terms for pointing out someone's argument is *just them saying something for no reason.* Frank's other arguments all have logic errors too, and so I don't think he has even *one* logical argument for a god. But I'm curious what you think.
I never thought I’d be asking for prayer, but please pray for me. I find myself watching these videos to strengthen my faith. I have severe body dysmorphia and my will to live is low. My life is severely hindered by my condition and it’s hard not to be upset with God for creating me this way.
The comment about how if theres no purpose to being then its just one opinion against another is absolutely correct, it just needs a minor tweek. God has an opinion too because he is omniscient. He understands cause and effect, the questions that philosophy raise are not about what is said in the bible; it is the thoughts and decductive reasoning of God that is being questioned.
"If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead." In other words, God has already given them enough proof to believe him and to believe what he has said. If that doesn't convince them, nothing will. one must choose to believe, no matter their circumstances or how they feel. By trying to make God prove that what he said is true, one has tested the Lord as Israel did in the wilderness. one tests God because of the hardness of their hearts, because of unbelief. Faith of course, is the opposite of unbelief. If we believe that everything God says is correct and true, then we will not require him to prove to us that what he says is true.
As an atheist i find the question if i would become a christian to be a misleading one. Because it does not account for how different people see Christianity. It assumes the atheist agree's with the christian on what Christianity means. The atheist for example might not think the christian god is omnibenevolent. So it existing would not automatically mean you would follow that god. Would you follow an evil god if he existed? I think most people would say no. Turek is playing for his own audience when he asks that question because he relies on his christian audience to have already assumed the christian god is omnibenevolent ect. I would follow a god if 1) He exists 2) he is all-powerful 3) he is all-good. If the christian god turns out to be that, i will follow him. If not, i would not. But i do not automatically grant that he is and most atheists think he is not. This is why my answer to the question if i would become a christian is: It depends...
I appreciate your honesty! If you’re interested I recommend David wood’s testimony it’s about 30 mins long. He’s a former atheist hopefully you can receive some type of revelation from his testimony; it’s heartbreakingly beautiful.
This is the only issue I have with Franks argument .. 10:30 I don't believe the "cosmos" are what we are told.. sure we can see what's up there kind of from here.. but I don't think they are visitable planets etc.. and so I'm a believer in what God has done and continues to do, aside from the fact the world isn't maybe quite as vast as he suggests.. we still have a land that is as fantastical in nature as anything any brilliant mind could have thought of, x10000!!
The answer an atheist might give for referencing 'morality' is simply "self preservation". Humans have learned that there is safety in numbers and if we all go around killing and stealing from each other... it ultimately works to my detriment. So morality is not driven by some 'higher good' but rather because it increases the chances that I will live longer and experience greater happiness (i.e. sufficient food/water, shelter, safety so that I can focus on or enjoy other aspects of the world). So the answer they might give to 'what is evil' ... is "That which ultimately endangers me and my chances at survival." The reason they would be concerned with 'evil' happening to others is that it opens the possibility that it can happen to them... so they don't like other peoples, countries or individuals practicing that which given a chance in circumstance could happen to them.
But why is living longer good? Why is self preservation good? Why is safety good? Why is happiness good and a thing to strive for? Who is telling you these are the things you should be achieveing? It is a circular and ridiculous argument. Also someone who doesnt believe GOD created must believe that star dust created us. And if star dust created us, then we must follow the laws of how star dust wants us to live. Also the 2nd law of thermodynamics can debunk this.
@@WheresWaldo05 "Also someone who doesn't believe GOD created must believe that star dust created us" no that a dumb argument I do not believe there is a god and I do not believe star dust created us.
If god made eve from Adams rib how come we still have an even number. Why do the two creation story's contradict each other . how did a minor Babylon god of war became the so called one god
All human beings do not have an even number of ribs in the thorax. Perhaps he used on of his floating ribs? Or a portion of the rib. Ever heard of a bone graft?
As a christian I find the rib argument in church really strange. Like a way to degrade women to a small portion of a man's potential. In the original Hebrew text the word can also be translated as 'side'. In more than a few instances in the Old/First Testament the same word is often translated as 'side', so why not in that instance? The word 'side' is also fitting to the word (I believe it is this word) 'ezer kenegdo' which means something like either a rescuer, helper or some strong opposite. I think I don't make it as clear as it should be. Ben Shapiro explains it beautifully. My two cents 🙂
I have been a Very Godly Christian all my life :) And I will say this loud. And clear I thank God for absolute permanent divorce/no reconciliation ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever!!! And I also Praise God for permanent Closure. And my absolute 100% Singleness for as long as it lasts :)@Kirk Cameron On TBN
Actually, it is true. But they come up with another idea for a cause. One example, Neil Degrasse Tyson’s objection isn’t that the cosmological argument fails, but he objects on moral grounds. Because the science is clear, the universe has a beginning and therefore a cause. The questions about that cause aren’t science, they are philosophy.
Evidence is everything.....where is evidence for Joseph Smith or Muhammad? The evidence for Jesus and Christianity are so overwhelming compared to other worldviews/religions
I've been in discussions about the theory of evolution and I've gone about it wrong. I keep trying to explain why I think it's wrong why I believe creation is right. I'm going to have to think about the questions I should ask. I get asked questions I have no answer for and go into the defensive mode. Like Kirk Cameron said I'm afraid my faith will be shaken because I can't answer certain questions. It's completely normal to be in the defensive. We should instead place the opponent on the defensive as well because they can't answer some questions either.
@@therick363 That's actually true. Sounds a bit odd though. Although I believe in God, or at least a creator, intelligent design, I believed for some time in evolution. However I don't buy the idea that a species can evolve into a brand new species. I think they can evolve into different breeds within their own species. That's proven with breeders of some animals. That even happens with some animals like the lion and tiger making the liger. They're both from the same species of animals, the feline. Creation and evolution both remain theories. Seems to be evidence supporting both. In my mind creation seems to make the most sense. I respect those of either side. I don't think either side can honestly say the other is totally wrong.
"To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other: "'We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.' Luke7:32
3:40 “There is no silver bullet”???? Go ahead & believe evil problems are greater than the Love we profess to our friends, family, & self. However, it seems to me there is no greater Truth than Love is greater than any problem, evil, or even dimension of space, time, universe, or reality of existence. As a long time atheist myself, I used to believe all faith is blind. Now I realize you must be blind, (often willfully), to not see Love as the Truth that is God. It’s not that my truth or your truth is the One & only, “my way to the highway”. It’s not that any human truth equates with the Truth. We can’t claim to have the Truth. But we can claim the Truth has us. And that’s the act of submission to Christ in the offering at the mass as we receive the blessed sacrament of Holy Communion. That is the silver bullet!
Just a train wreck of constant bad arguments. Does any theist actually value truth? If you do, then it should be a huge concern when Turek does things like say "we do know there's objective right and wrong" (baseless claim A) "so there's an objective moral lawgiver" (baseless claim B, and also equivocation fallacy ('lawgiver')). All of the arguments he uses here are known to be wrong, so while I could see major religious leaders/institutions having a strong financial motivation to deceive people by trotting out these same tired arguments, I don't see why the average person is convinced by them. Look, friends, you're on the internet. You owe it to yourself to track down the truth. Look up each argument (moral, cosmological, ontological, etc) and pay attention to the criticisms of those arguments. They hold up. These aren't insult-style criticisms ("this argument is dumb"). No, they're *severe, argument-ruining logic errors.*
How is it that so many Christians have no trouble believing in the miracle of Jesus’s resurrection and yet when it comes to Genesis 1-11 the miracle of a 6 day 24 hour creation, well then here, God’s Word cannot be trusted. God used evolution with its millions of years of death and suffering to create and then called that “Very good?” I would curse that god.
How does someone flee if they are resurrected? Do you mean, in his tomb when people thought he was dead, but actually was not dead and then fled and people found an empty tomb and assumed he was ressurected?
If God created the earth, why did Jesus say to not trust the way we experience it to be true? John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge with righteous judgment". This is a world of death and separate bodies but God creates us as being one with Him as Spirit. " "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: To stay with the idea that we are earthly beings puts off being born again as spirit.
FOUR QUESTIONS TO ASK TO UNDERSTAND OUR BIBLE: When we read and study our bible rightly divided (II Tim 2:15) there are at least 4 questions we should ask, to help get a better understanding of its context. 1. Who is talking? 2. Who is being talked to? 3. What is being said? 4. Can I put myself in this text as being the one being talked to or about? Then, the key is to NOT insert yourself into a passage that you don’t belong in, one that is NOT talking to or about you. If we do, our doctrine will not be correct. Example: You may think you need to sell all you have or keep the law as Jesus taught in the 4 gospel books. And so you should do these things if you were obeying the words of Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. But those two things are not requirements for us today as it was for the Jews under the law to go into their earthly kingdom. We are to listen to Jesus' last words by the person who saw and spoke to Him last for the updated new information Jesus gave to him for us today - that would be Paul. Romans - Philemon. ALL scripture is FOR us but not ALL scripture is written to and about us.
@@Believe_the_Bible You gave general rules but applied none of them to what I said. I will apply a life decision I made to what you addressed. I lived for a year without any income living on the road in Costa Rica and West US only trusting in God to provide and learning to trust Him through people and life to provide. What other people did wasn't what I followed in whatever time they lived. I listened to the Holy Spirit and my trust in Him grew.
I don't have enough faith to listen to the voices inside my head And think i'm conversing with, or have a deep personal relationship with an assertion alleged to exist outside the bounds of time and space. Seems as if neither of us have enough faith frank to believe what we believe to be nonsense.
Okay you look at a lot of psychology studies and we cannot disentangle the emotional from the intellectual and unfortunately it's not only that with atheist but Christians are the same way when we feel like you're attacking our worldview it feels like you're also attacking us at our core. To get to the head you've got to go through the heart
I do agree that there is a direct connection between the head and the heart (that is, what you think/reason and what you believe to be true at your core). However, I believe it all starts in the head. First, one must hear a claim, or perceive an event or have an experience.. these things are processed by the mind and judgement calls are made. From there, further communication and information is ingested and processed, which either strengthen or weaken one’s prior thought position on a topic. Once one decides they have sufficient evidence to accept something as complete truth, that belief manifests in their heart, and becomes part of their core belief system. Once an idea is established in the heart, it becomes more difficult to change it, as doing so could cause a knock-on effect with other parts of one’s core belief system, which could result in a feeling of existential crisis. This is why many people entrench themselves in their worldviews and throw up walls and filters to keep out anything that may shake what they believe in their heart to be true. (This is referred to as ‘closing the mind’ and ‘hardening of the heart’) And I also agree that this can apply to everyone, regardless of their belief system. Ideally, one would keep their mind open and their heart guarded, allowing for growth while also providing a safeguard against undue corruption of core beliefs. Just some thoughts…
@@ElectricBluJay I must say this I wish I had someone around that I could openly discuss philosophy and theology with I was a very good response and it made me think on some more yeah I'm going to keep going over that and do a little more study in this area. I personally have a heart for people and apologetics so I've been doing a lot of studying and it's just amazing how we formulate ideas and how closely we hold to our beliefs unfortunately sometimes even in the light of unsufficient evidence. What's really disturbing is how hard will hold on to a lie knowing that it's a lot just because at times changing beliefs and belief systems can be difficult and a lot of times it means a whole new way of thinking a whole new pattern of friends a whole new pattern of life and it's much easier to hold to what we've always known than it is to let go of the bad and embrace new ideas.
Yep 99 times out of 10. You don’t mean believe in Christianity you mean believe everything about the religion, the Bible, and what you believe. You can believer in god and not want anything to do with him. Clearly separate the two.
Sure you could. And no one is saying you cannot. But what you are reffering is not actual belief. You are talking about seperation from GOD. You could see all the facts and know GOD is real but choose to seperate youraelf from GOD anyways. For whatever reasons. Maybe you think he is evil and dont understand how he works so you choose not to worship him. Ok cool. But that is not belief in GOD. Only someone who follows GODs path can have belief in him. You are choosing to not follow him therefore you have no belief in him. You only know he exists. So you seperated yourself from him.
@@WheresWaldo05 Your word salad clearly shows you lack the research to have this discussion on an intimate/intellectual level. You have used evangelical dictionary to tweak the meaning of words your pastors have spit out on stage.
Nope, you not believing the Bible does not mean I can't quote it. If you know me, you know that my life resource is the Bible, and I am going to answer anything with the Words of God. When you can come up with a better resource let me know, till then, if you ask my thoughts, I'm going to tell you what God says. Controlling words is controlling the Word and that's just not going to happen in my world.
I think my only disagreement with Frank is on the Big Bang Theory. I am a young earth creationist, and have an article against evolution, in my Community.
The Big Bang is not tied to evolution, as you might think, so no, there's actually a big difference, and I see no problem here. The Big Bang is just evidence of the universe's creation event. The evolution interpretation by various atheists is just that, an interpretation, as it's just one way of interpreting the evidence.
Crazy stuff from Frank, (even the demons know) says Frank. Lord of the rings all over again. And Frank, if the Islamic God is the correct religion, would you become a Muslim?
Frank is so intellectually dishonest. He only presents facile responses and catch phrases to cater to believers. He smugly says that he doesn't have enough faith to be an atheist. What nonsense! Frank, if a loving caring, all-powerful god exists, why do so many innocent people suffer so terribly? I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer other than it proves that your god does not exist.
Frank lives and promotes his own reality. The Cosmos always existed Frank and Yahweh is a failed Israeli god invented by the Israelite priests to foster unity and maintain order within the tribe. Please update your program to reflect science and democracy.
May be you should we know the cosmo had a beginning. The thing is a minor Babylon god did not start it . take you own advice and do some research in to the origins of Yahweh
NASA confirmed an eclipse on April 3rd 33 ad between 3 and 6 pm, started at like 4 something, that’s exactly when the “Story book” says happened, and this is a secular NASA discovery. Very recently they went back to the Shroud of Turin and discovered that it is absolutely possible to be from the 1st century, with the negative imprint of a man crucified with the same injuries the “story book” stated Jesus had. Do some research, the further time has gone along, the more that the Bible has gotten dead on, it is by far the most reliable book that’s ever been written. If you have not read it, studied it, or researched the science of fine tuning the universe, the beginning of space, matter, time, and energy, the archeological finds that have supported the Bible, the Dead Sea scrolls confirming for sure some of the books in the Bible, the evidence is actually staggering. Dont waste my or your time with emotion and belief systems and all that, I follow Jesus Christ’s teachings because He is God, and His teachings are incredible. Do some research into what I just spoke about.
According to your opinion. You can't just share an opinion then expect people to just simply trust in your opinion. I'll believe with all my heart the Bible is rhe true living word of God, and historical evidence. No matter how much people try and challenge the Bible, history cannot be changed. Regardless of anyone's opinion or disagreeing either it.
@@morelions4014 So you trust that the Bible is the word of some sort of diety who approves of genocide and other atrocities mentioned in this book of fables? The human sacrifice of Jesus was just a follow on from the Old Testament animal sacrifices. In other words a conveniently made up story. According to the Bible if you don't believe in God or Jesus you are destined for Hell. So what about the people who have never read the Bible? No thanks but can believe in Talking Serpents and talking donkeys all you want but not me
If what you mean by repenting of our sins is, we need to turn from them, then NO ONE would ever be saved. This is a false gospel out there. That people have to clean up their lives before coming to Christ. No, no, no. Paul puts it this way: Rom 5:8 KJV But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Thank you Lord for your abounding GRACE. The work of turning from sin negates grace. Rom 11:6 KJV And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Good talk otherwise. Thank you.
@@ElsieLyn Yes, but for us during this dispensation of GRACE we are saved by grace through faith in Christ DBR. For us today, repenting is a change in mind AFTER we are saved. For Israel, they were to repent (change their mind and their action) to be saved. i.e. Get water baptized after repenting. Acts 2:38 KJV Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 3:19 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Peter is talking to ISRAEL. See context. For your consideration: www.believethebible.net/rightly-dividing-the-word Thanks for your comment. Have blessed day.
You must repent and put your faith in Jesus. You cannot continue in willfull sin. Period. Yes, you're going to sin and fall short but it shouldn't be a practice and willfully done. And if you're not feeling the conviction of the Holy Spirit when you do sin or do something wrong, then you're probably not saved in the 1st place. God's grace isn't a license to sin. Read Jude chapter 1.
@@billythekid7413 So what you are saying is the apostle Paul was not saved (Rom 7) and the neither were the Corinthian believers because of their sin? Should we try to stop sinning, absolutely. But that will not happen until we are in Heaven. If sin is an indication of us being saved then no one is saved. If sin can be brought up to God again once it has been forgiven, then Christ blood was not enough. Col 2:13 KJV And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Rom 6:1 KJV What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 KJV God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Titus 2:11 KJV For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Titus 2:12 KJV Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; When you make sin in a persons life the indicator of whether they are saved or not you are belittling the grace of God, and out of place in your judgment.
Tell yourself what you need to feel comfort and sleep at night, even if that means worshipping an awful character in an old book. Just keep it to yourself and maybe stop lying to children and vulnerable, broken adults that are the easiest to indoctrinate. Best wishes.
You are so loved brother. I pray for God to heal your wounds and for a beautiful and supernatural encounter in your life from Him so that you can see His peace and the truth of that old book. May God bless you.
You are deceived and to understand the deception you have to think rationally. To understand you are deceived you have to understand the atheist logical fallacy. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. You are deceived because God is necessary and you believe or you don't believe in God. If you accept God is necessary would you accept humanity are deceived believing because too many people lie too much?. I am tired, why don't you read Spinoza?. Spinoza was right and God is literally everything that exist past present and future. God exists because not all reality can be created logically. It is infinitely important to understand God exists for your mental health. I will explain the kalam cosmological argument that proves logically God exists and atheists don't understand. What has a beginning of existence has a cause because from nothing can not be created something. Logically it is impossible the existence of an infinite number of causes, therefore an eternal first uncaused cause that created what has a beginning of existence must exist. Did you understand the argument and why God exists?. To end the war the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. To end the war the discovery that God exists has to be news. I am suffering a censorship. Thank you.
Turek you don’t believe in 7 - (24 hour) days of creation. You’ve said it yourself - fact. Therefore nothing you say about God and the Bible can be trusted.
Met Pastor Frank in Lebanon last yr, he's one of the smartest apologetic pastors out there! I have learned so much from his teachings! ❤
2 men I respect more than i have words.
100% Truth!
The problem today is that people don’t think, they just feel.
Yes. Feelings are led by the heart and desires. Scripture says mans thoughts are always continually wicked. So the unsaved simply dont follow reason and truth but sinful thoughts & desires.
@@HiThereHeyThere
"Yes. Feelings are led by the heart and desires. Scripture says mans thoughts are always continually wicked. So the unsaved simply dont follow reason and truth but sinful thoughts & desires."
This is accurate.
Unfortunately, Christians are more like the world and speak in the form of "I feel" rather than "I think" or "I believe".
That makes them unreliable and very difficult to communicate with.
They feel they don't need to be precise in their communications and they not only take offense when someone misinterprets what they said, they take offense when that someone advises them to be clearer and more accurate in their communications to avoid future misunderstandings.
Idt they do either one; think or feel. 🥺
@@sonyagraske376Your use of Idt (I don't think) through me off to begin with, as I had to figure out the initials. And by the time I figured it out, the point lost it's passion. But, because you were talking about thinking, and feeling, I thought I would respond anyway. And perhaps you are correct that many do not think, or feel.
Apologetics in a nutshell
People like Frank, Voddie, and many others, are wonderful examples of men defending the gospel. They are able to be realistic and in that vein put the true gospel in perspective. That’s what young people are fearful of, when someone challenges their thought process because then they will discover for themselves that they don’t know everything. Praise God for His enduring patience with His creation.
Good talk, Blessed Be His Holy Name!!!
I love I believe in the big bang. I just know who banged it" . Thank you for so many helpful reminders in how we approach people and h9w we treat them as we represent the one who created us ALL. You are a blessing
I follow Frank and I would have liked to have heard a little more 'inside baseball' in this interview, because I've heard all of this before in any one of his talks to a college campus. This is a format to dive a little deeper into Cross-Examined or Frank himself. Bring him back for an encore Kirk!
Some of Turek's "inside baseball" can be seen in a video by *Mindshift, "Turek Takedown".* He quickly covers 10 Turek short videos. Ultimately Turek doesn't really have anything more than the basic (and illogical) theist arguments for god(s) -- at least I think I can confidently say that after having listened to hundreds of theists and seeking out tons of "evidence of god" videos online and simply never seeing/hearing anything that wasn't clearly illogical. In many cases the bad logic has been known for over a hundred years.
The reason you didn't hear more depth is because there isn't any. Turek is an utter bore. It's all rehearsed. He encourages people to stop thinking, through grossly oversimplified reasoning and bumper sticker theology. He's manifestly NOT a deep thinker.
You nail it!
As others have pointed out, Frank's job is essentially to con people into believing a bad idea. So he doesn't want you to think, because thinking would make you realize there's no foundation to the idea.
@@drumrnvaYou don’t have to be a deep thinker to share the gospel. The point is just to share the message. Simplifying it as much a possible is a great way to explain it to people who’ve never heard it. And even if it _is_ rehearsed, so what? The message is still valid.
Great Functional Talk we can put into practice. Thank you 🙏 for blessing us all to declare The Truth
The very end of Frank's apologetic speech is directly from 2 Corinthians 5:21 ;-) Love it!!!!!!
Thanks Kirk, i really appreciate Dr. Turek. God bless you.
🎉when I am asked a question that I'm not sure how to answer, I tell that person I'm not sure but give me a couple days and I will look it up. I want to be careful that what I am saying is scripture based and I tell them where to find it in the Bible.
You should make 1 movie with all the apologetic topics!
Two legends!🙏❤️👏🏻👏🏻🔥
Anything outside time space and matter is by definition Supernatural.
Indeed.
Super, being a portion of the word modifying it to mean "above" or "beyond"
And natural is commonly understood.
Extra natural.
Para natural.
Yes.... also unverifiable & unfalsifiable. So I wonder how a person can say * anything* about the supernatural with authority, much less employ such things in a persuasive discussion.
One of the best, if not THE best, videos on apologetics I've come across. Thank you.
#justBELIEVE
Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me.
15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.
I am constantly amazed and thankful for how Frank thinks, and how he teaches logic.
He is devoid of logic.
But he isn't logical, Sara, so why would you say that? For example
* one type of logic error is *just saying something's true for no reason; based on no logic or evidence.*
* Frank makes this mistake twice when he makes the moral argument for god, by first saying (A) objective moral values exist and then (B) if they exist they're best explained by a god. Both points are made without logic. Without evidence.
* you might sometimes hear people use the fancy terms for this type of mistake: fallacy of bare assertion, baseless claim, etc. They're just fancy terms for pointing out someone's argument is *just them saying something for no reason.*
Frank's other arguments all have logic errors too, and so I don't think he has even *one* logical argument for a god. But I'm curious what you think.
I never thought I’d be asking for prayer, but please pray for me. I find myself watching these videos to strengthen my faith.
I have severe body dysmorphia and my will to live is low. My life is severely hindered by my condition and it’s hard not to be upset with God for creating me this way.
Thank you for this and i have that book! God bless you guys!!!
The comment about how if theres no purpose to being then its just one opinion against another is absolutely correct, it just needs a minor tweek. God has an opinion too because he is omniscient. He understands cause and effect, the questions that philosophy raise are not about what is said in the bible; it is the thoughts and decductive reasoning of God that is being questioned.
Amen!
Keep up the good work gentleman!
"If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead."
In other words, God has already given them enough proof to believe him and to believe what he has said. If that doesn't convince them, nothing will.
one must choose to believe, no matter their circumstances or how they feel.
By trying to make God prove that what he said is true, one has tested the Lord as Israel did in the wilderness. one tests God because of the hardness of their hearts, because of unbelief. Faith of course, is the opposite of unbelief.
If we believe that everything God says is correct and true, then we will not require him to prove to us that what he says is true.
“99 out of 10” 😂 I agree with Frank 😂
This is an amazing video for witnessing! Thank you folks!
Scratch the surface of every human heart and deep down there is a will to believe or not.
Cliffe and frank are great at asking the questions
I wish the interview was longer❤
As an atheist i find the question if i would become a christian to be a misleading one.
Because it does not account for how different people see Christianity.
It assumes the atheist agree's with the christian on what Christianity means.
The atheist for example might not think the christian god is omnibenevolent.
So it existing would not automatically mean you would follow that god.
Would you follow an evil god if he existed? I think most people would say no.
Turek is playing for his own audience when he asks that question because he relies on his christian audience to have already assumed the christian god is omnibenevolent ect.
I would follow a god if 1) He exists 2) he is all-powerful 3) he is all-good.
If the christian god turns out to be that, i will follow him.
If not, i would not. But i do not automatically grant that he is and most atheists think he is not.
This is why my answer to the question if i would become a christian is: It depends...
I appreciate your honesty! If you’re interested I recommend David wood’s testimony it’s about 30 mins long. He’s a former atheist hopefully you can receive some type of revelation from his testimony; it’s heartbreakingly beautiful.
Is anyone else no longer seeing new episodes of I don't have enough faith to be an atheist podcast on Audible or Amazon?
It's just amazing
This is the only issue I have with Franks argument .. 10:30 I don't believe the "cosmos" are what we are told.. sure we can see what's up there kind of from here.. but I don't think they are visitable planets etc.. and so I'm a believer in what God has done and continues to do, aside from the fact the world isn't maybe quite as vast as he suggests.. we still have a land that is as fantastical in nature as anything any brilliant mind could have thought of, x10000!!
Love this ❤
Amen!❤
The answer an atheist might give for referencing 'morality' is simply "self preservation". Humans have learned that there is safety in numbers and if we all go around killing and stealing from each other... it ultimately works to my detriment. So morality is not driven by some 'higher good' but rather because it increases the chances that I will live longer and experience greater happiness (i.e. sufficient food/water, shelter, safety so that I can focus on or enjoy other aspects of the world).
So the answer they might give to 'what is evil' ... is "That which ultimately endangers me and my chances at survival."
The reason they would be concerned with 'evil' happening to others is that it opens the possibility that it can happen to them... so they don't like other peoples, countries or individuals practicing that which given a chance in circumstance could happen to them.
But why is living longer good? Why is self preservation good? Why is safety good? Why is happiness good and a thing to strive for? Who is telling you these are the things you should be achieveing? It is a circular and ridiculous argument. Also someone who doesnt believe GOD created must believe that star dust created us. And if star dust created us, then we must follow the laws of how star dust wants us to live. Also the 2nd law of thermodynamics can debunk this.
@@WheresWaldo05 "Also someone who doesn't believe GOD created must believe that star dust created us" no that a dumb argument I do not believe there is a god and I do not believe star dust created us.
@WheresWaldo05, the questions you have raised are easily answered.
Exactly.
If god made eve from Adams rib how come we still have an even number. Why do the two creation story's contradict each other . how did a minor Babylon god of war became the so called one god
if God doesn’t exist why do you waste so much time trying to disprove Him?
All human beings do not have an even number of ribs in the thorax. Perhaps he used on of his floating ribs? Or a portion of the rib. Ever heard of a bone graft?
As a christian I find the rib argument in church really strange. Like a way to degrade women to a small portion of a man's potential. In the original Hebrew text the word can also be translated as 'side'. In more than a few instances in the Old/First Testament the same word is often translated as 'side', so why not in that instance? The word 'side' is also fitting to the word (I believe it is this word) 'ezer kenegdo' which means something like either a rescuer, helper or some strong opposite. I think I don't make it as clear as it should be. Ben Shapiro explains it beautifully.
My two cents 🙂
I have been a Very Godly Christian all my life :) And I will say this loud. And clear I thank God for absolute permanent divorce/no reconciliation ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever!!! And I also Praise God for permanent Closure. And my absolute 100% Singleness for as long as it lasts :)@Kirk Cameron On TBN
If that were true astrophysicists and cosmologists would be the most staunch Christians
What do you mean? The cosmological evidence points to a philosophical question
Actually, it is true. But they come up with another idea for a cause. One example, Neil Degrasse Tyson’s objection isn’t that the cosmological argument fails, but he objects on moral grounds. Because the science is clear, the universe has a beginning and therefore a cause. The questions about that cause aren’t science, they are philosophy.
Tbf you could use the line“if x religion was true would you become an x”. A muslim or Mormon could use it… so what are we do with that?
Evidence is everything.....where is evidence for Joseph Smith or Muhammad? The evidence for Jesus and Christianity are so overwhelming compared to other worldviews/religions
@@brianmendenhall8387 Who evidence Jesus mostly excised was he god there is no evidence to prove he was other than a book written by men
@@itsjustnotrue not sure I follow what you mean?
I've been in discussions about the theory of evolution and I've gone about it wrong. I keep trying to explain why I think it's wrong why I believe creation is right. I'm going to have to think about the questions I should ask. I get asked questions I have no answer for and go into the defensive mode. Like Kirk Cameron said I'm afraid my faith will be shaken because I can't answer certain questions. It's completely normal to be in the defensive. We should instead place the opponent on the defensive as well because they can't answer some questions either.
You know there’s many theists who believe in a god and accept evolution?
@@therick363 That's actually true. Sounds a bit odd though. Although I believe in God, or at least a creator, intelligent design, I believed for some time in evolution. However I don't buy the idea that a species can evolve into a brand new species. I think they can evolve into different breeds within their own species. That's proven with breeders of some animals. That even happens with some animals like the lion and tiger making the liger. They're both from the same species of animals, the feline. Creation and evolution both remain theories. Seems to be evidence supporting both. In my mind creation seems to make the most sense. I respect those of either side. I don't think either side can honestly say the other is totally wrong.
I recommend Greg Koukls book Tactics. It's a game changer for flipping questions back on them.
@@brianmendenhall8387 I'll have to remember to check it out. Thanks.
@@danielhanawalt4998 for sure .....I've got to read it again!
"To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other:
"'We played the pipe for you,
and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge,
and you did not cry.' Luke7:32
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3:40 “There is no silver bullet”????
Go ahead & believe evil problems are greater than the Love we profess to our friends, family, & self. However, it seems to me there is no greater Truth than Love is greater than any problem, evil, or even dimension of space, time, universe, or reality of existence.
As a long time atheist myself, I used to believe all faith is blind. Now I realize you must be blind, (often willfully), to not see Love as the Truth that is God.
It’s not that my truth or your truth is the One & only, “my way to the highway”. It’s not that any human truth equates with the Truth. We can’t claim to have the Truth. But we can claim the Truth has us. And that’s the act of submission to Christ in the offering at the mass as we receive the blessed sacrament of Holy Communion. That is the silver bullet!
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The good lord could just appear to all of us and answer all these questions. But he knows it would put a lot of middlemen out of work.
Just a train wreck of constant bad arguments. Does any theist actually value truth? If you do, then it should be a huge concern when Turek does things like say "we do know there's objective right and wrong" (baseless claim A) "so there's an objective moral lawgiver" (baseless claim B, and also equivocation fallacy ('lawgiver')).
All of the arguments he uses here are known to be wrong, so while I could see major religious leaders/institutions having a strong financial motivation to deceive people by trotting out these same tired arguments, I don't see why the average person is convinced by them. Look, friends, you're on the internet. You owe it to yourself to track down the truth. Look up each argument (moral, cosmological, ontological, etc) and pay attention to the criticisms of those arguments. They hold up. These aren't insult-style criticisms ("this argument is dumb"). No, they're *severe, argument-ruining logic errors.*
Intellectual dimwit
How is it that so many Christians have no trouble believing in the miracle of Jesus’s resurrection and yet when it comes to Genesis 1-11 the miracle of a 6 day 24 hour creation, well then here, God’s Word cannot be trusted.
God used evolution with its millions of years of death and suffering to create and then called that “Very good?” I would curse that god.
Hey Kirk, if you’re truly looking for answers, ask my pal Sam Shamoun.
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How do we know that Jesus didnt flee after the resurrection and thats why his body was never found?
Because many wittnesses seen Him ascend into Heaven
Because many wittnesses seen Him ascend into Heaven
How does someone flee if they are resurrected?
Do you mean, in his tomb when people thought he was dead, but actually was not dead and then fled and people found an empty tomb and assumed he was ressurected?
Cmon man, are you serious?
That's not true, we just want them to see how good the Gospel is.
If God created the earth, why did Jesus say to not trust the way we experience it to be true?
John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge with righteous judgment".
This is a world of death and separate bodies but God creates us as being one with Him as Spirit.
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"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
To stay with the idea that we are earthly beings puts off being born again as spirit.
FOUR QUESTIONS TO ASK TO UNDERSTAND OUR BIBLE:
When we read and study our bible rightly divided (II Tim 2:15) there are at least 4 questions we should ask, to help get a better understanding of its context.
1. Who is talking?
2. Who is being talked to?
3. What is being said?
4. Can I put myself in this text as being the one being talked to or about?
Then, the key is to NOT insert yourself into a passage that you don’t belong in, one that is NOT talking to or about you. If we do, our doctrine will not be correct.
Example: You may think you need to sell all you have or keep the law as Jesus taught in the 4 gospel books. And so you should do these things if you were obeying the words of Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. But those two things are not requirements for us today as it was for the Jews under the law to go into their earthly kingdom. We are to listen to Jesus' last words by the person who saw and spoke to Him last for the updated new information Jesus gave to him for us today - that would be Paul. Romans - Philemon. ALL scripture is FOR us but not ALL scripture is written to and about us.
@@Believe_the_Bible You gave general rules but applied none of them to what I said.
I will apply a life decision I made to what you addressed.
I lived for a year without any income living on the road in Costa Rica and West US only trusting in God to provide and learning to trust Him through people and life to provide.
What other people did wasn't what I followed in whatever time they lived. I listened to the Holy Spirit and my trust in Him grew.
I don't have enough faith to listen to the voices inside my head And think i'm conversing with, or have a deep personal relationship with an assertion alleged to exist outside the bounds of time and space.
Seems as if neither of us have enough faith frank to believe what we believe to be nonsense.
Okay you look at a lot of psychology studies and we cannot disentangle the emotional from the intellectual and unfortunately it's not only that with atheist but Christians are the same way when we feel like you're attacking our worldview it feels like you're also attacking us at our core. To get to the head you've got to go through the heart
I do agree that there is a direct connection between the head and the heart (that is, what you think/reason and what you believe to be true at your core). However, I believe it all starts in the head.
First, one must hear a claim, or perceive an event or have an experience.. these things are processed by the mind and judgement calls are made. From there, further communication and information is ingested and processed, which either strengthen or weaken one’s prior thought position on a topic.
Once one decides they have sufficient evidence to accept something as complete truth, that belief manifests in their heart, and becomes part of their core belief system.
Once an idea is established in the heart, it becomes more difficult to change it, as doing so could cause a knock-on effect with other parts of one’s core belief system, which could result in a feeling of existential crisis.
This is why many people entrench themselves in their worldviews and throw up walls and filters to keep out anything that may shake what they believe in their heart to be true. (This is referred to as ‘closing the mind’ and ‘hardening of the heart’)
And I also agree that this can apply to everyone, regardless of their belief system.
Ideally, one would keep their mind open and their heart guarded, allowing for growth while also providing a safeguard against undue corruption of core beliefs.
Just some thoughts…
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I must say this I wish I had someone around that I could openly discuss philosophy and theology with I was a very good response and it made me think on some more yeah I'm going to keep going over that and do a little more study in this area. I personally have a heart for people and apologetics so I've been doing a lot of studying and it's just amazing how we formulate ideas and how closely we hold to our beliefs unfortunately sometimes even in the light of unsufficient evidence. What's really disturbing is how hard will hold on to a lie knowing that it's a lot just because at times changing beliefs and belief systems can be difficult and a lot of times it means a whole new way of thinking a whole new pattern of friends a whole new pattern of life and it's much easier to hold to what we've always known than it is to let go of the bad and embrace new ideas.
Christ is King.
Yep 99 times out of 10. You don’t mean believe in Christianity you mean believe everything about the religion, the Bible, and what you believe.
You can believer in god and not want anything to do with him. Clearly separate the two.
Sure you could. And no one is saying you cannot. But what you are reffering is not actual belief. You are talking about seperation from GOD.
You could see all the facts and know GOD is real but choose to seperate youraelf from GOD anyways. For whatever reasons. Maybe you think he is evil and dont understand how he works so you choose not to worship him. Ok cool. But that is not belief in GOD. Only someone who follows GODs path can have belief in him. You are choosing to not follow him therefore you have no belief in him. You only know he exists. So you seperated yourself from him.
@@WheresWaldo05 Your word salad clearly shows you lack the research to have this discussion on an intimate/intellectual level.
You have used evangelical dictionary to tweak the meaning of words your pastors have spit out on stage.
@@andrewschafer7790 Not an Evangelical. Nor do i have a pastor. Nice try though bozo. 🤡
@@WheresWaldo05 Say more Waldo. I want to understand.
Nope, you not believing the Bible does not mean I can't quote it. If you know me, you know that my life resource is the Bible, and I am going to answer anything with the Words of God. When you can come up with a better resource let me know, till then, if you ask my thoughts, I'm going to tell you what God says.
Controlling words is controlling the Word and that's just not going to happen in my world.
I think my only disagreement with Frank is on the Big Bang Theory. I am a young earth creationist, and have an article against evolution, in my Community.
The Big Bang is not tied to evolution, as you might think, so no, there's actually a big difference, and I see no problem here. The Big Bang is just evidence of the universe's creation event. The evolution interpretation by various atheists is just that, an interpretation, as it's just one way of interpreting the evidence.
Crazy stuff from Frank, (even the demons know) says Frank. Lord of the rings all over again. And Frank, if the Islamic God is the correct religion, would you become a Muslim?
When all these men of God fade away, who will take over? Listen while we still have them folks...end times coming
How does the Big Bang become true? Isn’t it only a theory? That threw me off, when he said that. I may have something misunderstood.
I might be wrong but I think he just means if the theory is correct and there was a big bang then God created the bang coz He created everything
Part of the issue is many apologists either don’t understand or choose to misrepresent what a scientific theory is.
@@therick363 I would almost bet that Frank is well aware of science theory and what it is. What would it benefit Frank by choosing to misrepresent it?
Turek doesn't believe God created everything in 6 days.
Frank is so intellectually dishonest. He only presents facile responses and catch phrases to cater to believers. He smugly says that he doesn't have enough faith to be an atheist. What nonsense! Frank, if a loving caring, all-powerful god exists, why do so many innocent people suffer so terribly? I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer other than it proves that your god does not exist.
What is suffering in your godless world view? You assume suffering is bad but why. Who is telling you this?
Frank lives and promotes his own reality.
The Cosmos always existed Frank and Yahweh is a failed Israeli god invented by the Israelite priests to foster unity and maintain order within the tribe.
Please update your program to reflect science and democracy.
Go worship your star dust god that the 2nd law of thermodynamics destroys. Lol.
@@WheresWaldo05 we found wally
The cosmos did not always exist.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics proves this to be false.
Do some research casual.
May be you should we know the cosmo had a beginning. The thing is a minor Babylon god did not start it . take you own advice and do some research in to the origins of Yahweh
Turek cuts people off when they ask difficult questions perfect sign his feathers have being rustled
Sorry Frank but the Bible is basically just a Story Book and should be treated as such. God was created by mankind not the other way around
NASA confirmed an eclipse on April 3rd 33 ad between 3 and 6 pm, started at like 4 something, that’s exactly when the “Story book” says happened, and this is a secular NASA discovery.
Very recently they went back to the Shroud of Turin and discovered that it is absolutely possible to be from the 1st century, with the negative imprint of a man crucified with the same injuries the “story book” stated Jesus had.
Do some research, the further time has gone along, the more that the Bible has gotten dead on, it is by far the most reliable book that’s ever been written.
If you have not read it, studied it, or researched the science of fine tuning the universe, the beginning of space, matter, time, and energy, the archeological finds that have supported the Bible, the Dead Sea scrolls confirming for sure some of the books in the Bible, the evidence is actually staggering.
Dont waste my or your time with emotion and belief systems and all that, I follow Jesus Christ’s teachings because He is God, and His teachings are incredible. Do some research into what I just spoke about.
According to your opinion. You can't just share an opinion then expect people to just simply trust in your opinion. I'll believe with all my heart the Bible is rhe true living word of God, and historical evidence. No matter how much people try and challenge the Bible, history cannot be changed. Regardless of anyone's opinion or disagreeing either it.
@@morelions4014 So you trust that the Bible is the word of some sort of diety who approves of genocide and other atrocities mentioned in this book of fables? The human sacrifice of Jesus was just a follow on from the Old Testament animal sacrifices. In other words a conveniently made up story. According to the Bible if you don't believe in God or Jesus you are destined for Hell. So what about the people who have never read the Bible? No thanks but can believe in Talking Serpents and talking donkeys all you want but not me
Haha Frank if u find Christianity to be false I'm 100% positive that selling cars should be ur new profession 😂
If what you mean by repenting of our sins is, we need to turn from them, then NO ONE would ever be saved. This is a false gospel out there. That people have to clean up their lives before coming to Christ. No, no, no. Paul puts it this way:
Rom 5:8 KJV But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Thank you Lord for your abounding GRACE.
The work of turning from sin negates grace.
Rom 11:6 KJV And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Good talk otherwise. Thank you.
Jesus said repent and believe. There are many passages giving examples of turn from sin and to God.
@@ElsieLyn Yes, but for us during this dispensation of GRACE we are saved by grace through faith in Christ DBR.
For us today, repenting is a change in mind AFTER we are saved.
For Israel, they were to repent (change their mind and their action) to be saved.
i.e. Get water baptized after repenting.
Acts 2:38 KJV Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 3:19 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Peter is talking to ISRAEL. See context.
For your consideration:
www.believethebible.net/rightly-dividing-the-word
Thanks for your comment. Have blessed day.
You must repent and put your faith in Jesus. You cannot continue in willfull sin. Period. Yes, you're going to sin and fall short but it shouldn't be a practice and willfully done. And if you're not feeling the conviction of the Holy Spirit when you do sin or do something wrong, then you're probably not saved in the 1st place. God's grace isn't a license to sin. Read Jude chapter 1.
@@billythekid7413 So what you are saying is the apostle Paul was not saved (Rom 7) and the neither were the Corinthian believers because of their sin?
Should we try to stop sinning, absolutely. But that will not happen until we are in Heaven.
If sin is an indication of us being saved then no one is saved. If sin can be brought up to God again once it has been forgiven, then Christ blood was not enough.
Col 2:13 KJV And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Rom 6:1 KJV What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 KJV God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Titus 2:11 KJV For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Titus 2:12 KJV Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
When you make sin in a persons life the indicator of whether they are saved or not you are belittling the grace of God, and out of place in your judgment.
Tell yourself what you need to feel comfort and sleep at night, even if that means worshipping an awful character in an old book. Just keep it to yourself and maybe stop lying to children and vulnerable, broken adults that are the easiest to indoctrinate. Best wishes.
You are so loved brother. I pray for God to heal your wounds and for a beautiful and supernatural encounter in your life from Him so that you can see His peace and the truth of that old book. May God bless you.
Which God? These two dont believe in the true God.
They don’t ?? Well who do you say the true GOD is. ?
Ignorant nonsense.
You will find out. Jesus loves you and died for you.
Ignorant in what way?
You are deceived and to understand the deception you have to think rationally. To understand you are deceived you have to understand the atheist logical fallacy. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. You are deceived because God is necessary and you believe or you don't believe in God. If you accept God is necessary would you accept humanity are deceived believing because too many people lie too much?. I am tired, why don't you read Spinoza?. Spinoza was right and God is literally everything that exist past present and future. God exists because not all reality can be created logically. It is infinitely important to understand God exists for your mental health. I will explain the kalam cosmological argument that proves logically God exists and atheists don't understand. What has a beginning of existence has a cause because from nothing can not be created something. Logically it is impossible the existence of an infinite number of causes, therefore an eternal first uncaused cause that created what has a beginning of existence must exist. Did you understand the argument and why God exists?. To end the war the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. To end the war the discovery that God exists has to be news. I am suffering a censorship. Thank you.
When will you stop running away and engage? Or will you keep posting misrepresenting, lying and more?
Turek you don’t believe in 7 - (24 hour) days of creation. You’ve said it yourself - fact. Therefore nothing you say about God and the Bible can be trusted.