EPIC Q&A: Atheist Student Begins to Change His Mind!
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2023
- EPIC Q&A: Atheist Student Begins to Change His Mind in a rare moment of cognitive dissonance giving way to thought. Frank Turk does a brilliant job of patiently walking this young man through his knowledge gaps and errors in reasoning, but most importantly, he helps to guide him one step closer to God.
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I love how these young folks are there not to win an argument but to seek truth. And they're humble enough to admit when they see truth.
Just a few of them are like that with that’s in every generation!
Where at the time in proverbs 30 - there’s a generation whose eyes are high, are lifted up And whose teeth are sharp as knives to devour the poor form off the Earth !
Being upset, because We are rescuing children from human trafficking and saving others from being aborted?
It’s awesome! Its rare to find people just seeking the truth than defending their world view at all cost. It takes a humble heart to accept the idea they may be truly wrong and admit it when they are.
I was about to say the same its rare this is 1st I seen an atheist change his mind. Pls pray for him He will want to know more.😊🙏🙏
Most kids will stand up confident that they are going to prove all the churchgoers and Bible thumpers wrong then when they argue as far as they can and all of their points are matched they get mad and stomp off. I love the look in an atheists eyes when they have no more ground to fight but proof of God steadily builds up.
@@chiefsteps-in-poo8447 They shouldn't do that...stand up confidently and try to prove all churchgoers and Bible thumpers are wrong. But their problem is not that they're points are all matched but that they've not thought through their worldview. The existence of a god doesn't really solves the dilemma of morality many think it does and they know that intuitively but can't articulate it. If there is a god, then it might be the basis for morality and existence, but if there isn't then it's not. Explaining why humans (and other animals) think morally is no more difficult than explaining why God or gods think morally. If you can explain why God thinks morally, I can explain why humans (and other animals) think morally without the existence of God.
The level of respect and open-mindedness in that conversation was incredible, we need more people who debate that way
Bruh the open-minded part was one sided!
@@YogiLikes-Fish - EXACTLY!
@@YogiLikes-Fishlol that's because 1 is wrong and 1 is right.. Frank knows his stuff , and is just there to teach. He's not there to recruit that young man. That's Gods job. Nobody can turn someone into a Christian. Its in your heart. That's why like you say , only 1 is open-minded. Because Frank is already right
@@brianmoore2118 Frank is a Bible bashing fuk wit who gets angry when his faith is challenged so he cuts you off and doesn't let you finish your sentence or train of thought that's not open minded! " No body can turn someone in to a Christian" that's one of the most Naive thing I've read today, then why preach? What's the purpose of preaching? You literally try to convince people into being Christian's and you indoctrinate your children in to the fold.
@@brianmoore2118wow you don't see how arrogant you sound. This is why Christians can never win a debate. This guy is a joke and could never convince me to have an imaginary friend. The belief in a God is an opinion and can never be proven as a fact without physical evidence. But yea keep using your heart and feelings. See I will use just as much arrogance to show you how you sound.
I did not agree with the young man's argument but what made my heart sing was the realisation that, amongst all the "mob-think" and crazy ideas flooding social media these days, there are sincere, respectful and inquisitive young people who are genuinely searching for liveable truth. It takes a lot of courage to stand in front of an audience and submit your core thoughts for scrutiny. The way both Frank and the student handled themselves was brilliant.
Good thing we dont have object morality then since thats just your opinion.
Yes. My comment is based on my subjective opinion just as yours is subjective. Morality only exists if it is objective (because it is derived from a higher authority).. Otherwise, it is just each person's subjective opinion which may occasionally align with the subjective opinions of others. @@CameronRoberts-jh9mr
@@CameronRoberts-jh9mr I mean, if there is no objective morality, dictators would be right in there own sense, so would cannibalism and slavery. Right and wrong would be relative and therefore no people should be wronged for their own actions. Relativism cause many philosophical and fallacious problems, because objectivism is necessary for morality. There must be a difference between right and wrong.
@@Spidey-ie7ut My understanding is God was ok with slavery. Even God's own objective morality has been relative.
@@Spidey-ie7ut Wrong, there is no objective morality, and your religion has no issue with slavery nor cannibalism.
We base our morality typically on the golden rule as we try to put ourselves in someone else’s shoes.
All morals are subjective, including an unproven god’s opinion.
When you strongly disagree with someone it can be difficult to say "Yeah, you might have a point." But good on him. I'm glad to see there are still people who can have intelligent and mature conversations.
That young man was indeed seeking truth. I pray he finds it
There is no truth to be found in religion. It's all just unsubstantiated beliefs, not facts.
i pray that you seek God in the name of yeshua@@josephrich3509
He already found the correct truth
Why would praying be necessary?
The talibans-like atheists in the comments are hilarious
I audibly gasped when the guy was like, “You know, I think you’re right” 😂 that rarely happens!
Yeah. That only occurs when two smart people are arguing, apparently.
@@Zsxcdwefivm I would add that smartness is not sufficient for that, it needs humility as well I guess and in public. So appreciate the young man for admitting that. 👍 I think
It was such a delight to see that they were both very respectful towards one another. I pray for that young man’s salvation. 🙏
Good job Nathaniel, congratulations on your humility - something many people never achieve even into their elder years
Yeah , I can tell that this guy is that person you can talk about anything deep in the cold night chillin with your friends 😂
Just think how much more he would be an asset to humanity if he believed in God .
@@adorabledeplorable5105 Why do you need belief in that? Is being a good person not enough?
@@ZeYoX-mw7shOnly if it's true. Then you would need to believe in order to go about life properly
@@adorabledeplorable5105didn't god kill everyone bar noah and his family when he drowned them all??? Why then is Hitler any different from god?
This is such a rare moment. 1) nobody is overly interrupting and 2) people actually listen to arguments of the other side.
This is so unusual nowadays. We need to restore this culture
Truly I love this
Beautiful honestly it makes me so happy
1 Peter 3:15
This is how things went down in Ethics and other Philosophy Dept classes 40 years ago.
Do they not go like this commonly today in a standard formal situation?
@@STho205 often not. Especially when there are people with coloured hair who identify as a reindeer
It's so nice to see people having philosophical discussions without shouting or name calling, this is what school should be like
This is what school should be like, you've said it all.
E.g Mohammed hijab
It so happened because both are good kind of people, I'm sure this young guy will be a believer in Jesus..
It's all discussion without presenting any EVIDENCE, all philosophical nonsense without getting to the meat of the issue, looks like a circus to me 😂🤣🤣
Frank is the 🤡 & people like you are sold in these crap 😂🤣🤣
The young guy was cool being respectful and honest about his Atheistic views. I'm glad brother Frank Turek addresses Atheism and beliefs of other religions and worldviews on Cross Examined ministry. I was an atheist and agnostic from 17-19 years old until I discovered evidence of God's Existence and Christianity myself. Creation requires a Creator we human beings would call God. Atheists seem to think that God cares if we know that He exists or not obviously don't understand why the last book of The Bible is called Revelation because He finally reveals Himself to the whole world. Jesus The Christ of Nazareth (Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) is The Son of The Living God came to save us from the Eternal consequences of our sins. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
An open mind brings an open heart. Good for him. 🙏🏼
This literally brought tears...honest expression of what is on his mind and then his heart being pricked. Caught on camera! I am enjoying this content because it helps to prepare me (only along with studying Scripture) as a disciple of CHRIST to have conversations with people who have challenges, concerns, and good questions about GOD and HIS Word. Thank you!!!
Wow. I haven’t seen a student ask such philosophical questions in this way. I’m used to the screaming and not allowing another argument. Props to this kid and the professor. They never disrespected each other and had a nice diplomatic discussion
Yes it is great.
Since you seem interested in such questions ill try my best.
If everything needs to be created, and god created everything, who created god? If your answer is something similar to "he doesnt need to be created" then that would contradict the first rule, so our reality may have aswell created itself.
This isnt meant to prove that god doesnt exist, but rather peove that god may not exist.
God bless Nathaniel! He was well educated, smart, a good debater and most importantly… was open minded and was seeking the truth. He was respectful the entire time. THIS is what a healthy discussion and debate should look like with two people with differing opinions. Not all the screaming and disrespect and character attacking we see today.
Its too bad being a good debater and being respectful and being open minded wont get you to eternal life with your Creator.
@@heybaeuwb8888the thief on the cross was a prime example of what it takes to spend eternity with our Father, in heaven. A personal conviction is what gets you eternal life with our Creator. All of his qualities are excellent steps towards understanding eternal life. To fear God is the first sign of Wisdom! Respect and open mindedness are excellent qualities for any human being to have, on their path to conviction. We should encourage these individuals 😉 not judge their hearts, as only God knows them. We will be shocked at who is in eternity 😳As well as who isn’t. ✌🏼 💜🦋
@@LettiesLifeIm sorry, but fear is known for being a good manipulation tactic. Its probably all just a pretty lie to keep people controlled and profitable.
@@heybaeuwb8888 LOL, there is no evidence of a creator.
@@heybaeuwb8888It's a good start
I respect this man for being so open minded, We need more people like this.
These are the kinds of debates/q & a’s I appreciate. Respectful with honest and sincere questions and thoughts.
Why do most people assume that if their mind is changed they’ll look stupid, weak, wrong, etc? To me, this kid looks very intelligent…you can almost see his brain getting smarter as it creates new understanding.
People who are open to considering other points of view aren’t weak and wrong, their confident and authentic.
For most people it's immediately obvious that if you change your mind on God then your life will be changed in a catastrophic way. Most people don't want that.
Ego, pride lol
Pride
@@scottpageusmc "Unfortunately, most people have a mindset that prevents them from swallowing their pride and also giving the benefit-of-the-doubt to others."
Does that apply both ways? Are theists unable to swallow their pride and give the benefit of doubt to the atheist? Will they feel they will lose face and suffer embarrassment for being 'wrong.'
"We feel weak when we're vulnerable, and we're vulnerable when lack support from the mob."
But my experience....at least in the US is that the vast majority (9 out of 10) believe in a higher power and over half believe in the god of the Bible. So....where is the mob,, ideologically? Seems to me it's on the side of theism. So it's the atheist who should 'feel vulnerable' right because they lack the support of the mob?
So because this kid has a weak argument we should believe in God?
I really like how this respectful dialogue played out. Both the student and the teacher were bringing honest opinions and willing to think about the other's ideas. Good stuff.
I don’t think that teacher was really thinking about that other sides ideas
THE GOSPEL OF THE WORD OF ALMIGHTY GOD "the last age in which God saves man from the destruction of this old world"
(The Bible is also called the Old and New Testaments. Do you know what "testament" refers to? The "testament" in the Old Testament is from Jehovah's agreement with the people of Israel when He killed the Egyptians and deliver the Israelites from Pharaoh. Jehovah killed the firstborn males of Egypt and all the firstborn livestock, and He saved all the Israelites, which means all the people in the land of Israel were favored by Jehovah, and all will be saved; He wanted to do a lasting work with them, and established the covenant with them with the blood of the lamb. From then on, Jehovah would not kill the Israelites, and said that they were His elect forever. The covenant Jehovah's covenant is unchangeable, because it was fulfilled in blood, and established in His chosen people. The New Testament is named from the shedding of Jesus' blood on the cross and His covenant with all who believe in Him. The covenant of Jesus is this: People need only believe in Him to have their sins forgiven because of the shedding of His blood, and thus they will be saved, and be born again through Him, and no longer be sinners; people only need to believe in Him to receive His grace, and will not suffer in hell after they die. So, these books are also named from an agreement: They are called the New Testament. These two covenants cover only the Age of Law and the Age of Grace, and have nothing to do with the latter age.)
Almighty God said
The BIBLE is also CALLED the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT. Do you KNOW WHAT "testament" MEANS? The "testament" in the OLD TESTAMENT is from JEHOVAH's agreement with the PEOPLE of ISRAEL when He KILLED the EGYPTIANS and SAVED the ISRAELITES from PHARAOH. Of course, the PROOF of this COVENANT is the BLOOD OF THE LAMB WHICH WAS APPLIED ABOVE THE DOORS, THROUGH WHICH GOD ESTABLISHED THE COVENANT WITH MAN, WHEREAS EVERYONE WITH THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB ON THE TOP AND SIDES WAS SAID of the GATE are ISRAELITES, they are the CHOSEN PEOPLE of GOD, and they ALL will be SAVED by JEHOVAH (because Jehovah will then kill all the firstborn males of Egypt and firstborn sheep and cattle).
This AGREEMENT has TWO levels of DEFINITION. Jehovah will spare neither the people nor the livestock of Egypt; He will kill all their firstborn males and firstborn sheep and cattle.
So, in many BOOKS of PROPHECY it was FORETELLED that the Egyptians would be severely chastised as a result of JEHOVAH'S COVENANT. This is the FIRST LEVEL of DEFINITION OF AGREEMENT. ☀️
JEHOVAH KILLED the FIRST BORN MEN of EGYPT and ALL the FIRST BORN PETS, and He SAVED ALL the ISRAELITES, WHICH MEANS ALL the PEOPLE in the LAND of ISRAEL was REJECTED BY JEHOVAH, AND ALL WILL BE SAVED; He WANTED to do a PERMANENT WORK with them, and ESTABLISHED the COVENANT with them USING the BLOOD of the LAMB. 🙏
BEGINNING, JEHOVAH WOULD NOT KILL the ISRAELITES, and SAID they were His CHOSEN ONES FOREVER. ☀️🙏
FROM thevTWELVE TRIBES of ISRAEL, He WILL BEGIN His WORK throughout the AGE of LAW, He WILL LAY OUT His LAW to the ISRAELITES, and WILL SELECT PROPHETS and JUDGES FROM THEM, and THEY WILL be the CENTER of His WORK. 🙏
JEHOVAH has MADE A AGREEMENT with THEM: UNLESS the TIMES CHANGE, He WILL ONLY WORK in the MIDST of the ELECTED. JEHOVAH'S COVENANT DOES NOT CHANGE, because IT WAS FULFILLED in BLOOD, and ESTABLISHED eith His CHOSEN PEOPLE. 🙏💐
Furthermore, He CHOOSES an APPROPRIATE scope and purpose to be the SOURCE of His WORK for ALL AGE, and thus the people of the PEOPLE SEE CONGRESSION all the more IMPORTANT. This is the SECOND level of DEFINITION of AGREEMENT. ☀️
With the exception of Genesis, which predates the establishment of the covenant, all other Old Testament books record God's work among the Israelites after the establishment of the covenant. Of course, there are occasional accounts of Gentiles, but in general, the Old Testament records God's work in Israel. Because of JEHOVAH'S AGREEMENT with the ISRAELITES, the BOOKS written in the AGE of the LAW are CALLED the OLD TESTAMENT.
THESE are NAMED from JEHOVAH'S AGREEMENT with the ISRAELITES. 💐
The NEW COVENANT is NAMED from the SHEDDING of JESUS' BLOOD on the CROSS and His AGREEMENT with ALL WHO BELIEVE in Him. JESUS' AGREEMENT is THIS: PEOPLE ONLY NEED to BELIEVE in Him to HAVE THEIR SINS FORGIVED because of the SHEDDING of His BLOOD, and THEN THEY WILL BE SAVED, and BE BORN THROUGH HIM, and will NOT be SINNERS; PEOPLE just NEED to BELIEVE in Him to RECEIVE His GRACE, and NOT SUFFER in HELL AFTER THEY DIE. ☀️💐🙏
All the BOOKS WRITTEN in the AGE of GRACE CAME AFTER this AGREEMENT, and ALL of them STATE the WORK and SAYINGS CONTAINED in it. They do not exceed the salvation of the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus or the agreement; these are all books written by brothers in the Lord who had experiences.
THEREFORE, THESE BOOKS ARE ALSO NAMED FROM an AGREEMENT: THEY ARE CALLED the NEW TESTAMENT. 🙏
These TWO COVENANTS only cover the AGE of LAW and the AGE of GRACE, and have NOTHING to DO WITH the LAST AGE. Therefore the BIBLE is of NO GREAT USE to PEOPLE TODAY in the LAST DAYS. ☀️
It can only be said that it serves as a temporary reference, but it's really not worth much to use. However, this is still the most careful--careful of religious people. They don't know the Bible; they only know how to explain the Bible, but are unaware of its origins. Their attitude towards the Bible is: Everything in the Bible is correct, it contains no inaccuracies or errors. Since they have already decided that the Bible is correct and without error, they study and analyze it with great interest.☀️
The present stage of work was not prophesied in the Bible.
The WORK of CONQUERING the DARKEST PLACE is NEVER MENTIONED, because it is the NEWEST WORK. Because the AGE of WORK is DIFFERENT, even Jesus Himself did not know that this stage of work would be done in the last days----then how can the people of the last days find this stage of work in the Bible by examining it? 🙏
From "About the Bible (2)"
Fulfillment of "When I looked up, someone handed me a book wrapped in a scroll. I opened it and I read on both sides the prayers, lamentations, and curses." (Ezekiel 2:9-10). ... "His clothes were stained with blood. He was called the "Word of God." (Rev. 19:13)
The kingdom He brought down and built in the worthy holy place in the highest in the sky and when all the humanity He created in the universe was occupied by it and it was engraved in His holy name and owned by His disposition "THE CHURCH OF ALMIGHTY GOD" 💐 this is the fulfillment of (Matthew 16:18) The Lord Jesus said, "And I say to you, Peter, on top of this eunuch I will build my Church, which will not prevail against him even the fear of death.". ... and fulfillment of "The Letter to the Church in Philadelphia" (Rev. 3:7-13). ... and fulfillment of "The New Jerusalem"💫 "The Spirit covered me, and the angel led me to the top of a very high mountain. He showed me Jerusalem, the Holy City, coming down from heaven from God." (Rev. 21:10). ... "For the time has come in the house of God for the beginning of judgment in the house of God." (1 Peter 4:17)
📩 God's sheep are called and led to His glorious Throne in "THE CHURCH OF ALMIGHTY GOD" 💐 to submit again to His authority so that He can continue to teach us, guide us and protect us even in plagues, disasters, famines and wild animals It will not move us, and to completely win the war with the big red dragon in this final battle!. ... The fulfillment of "They say with a loud voice, "Salvation comes from the Lamb, and from our God who sits on the Throne!" (Rev. 7:10). ... Fulfillment that it will be built in the highest in the sky that in this is our millennial generation UA-cam in (Isaiah 2:2 / 9:6) "In the last day, the mountain on which Jehovah's temple stands will stand out above all the mountains. All the nations will flock there.". ... "For a baby boy is born for us. The rule will be given to him; and he shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Almighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." ✉️
@@TheHardVerse He has been considering those ideas for decades. Nothing the kid said was even remotely new to him. That is how he had such readily available counters/answers. The kid, however, had not really thought it through because he is still just a kid.
The young guy was cool being respectful and honest about his Atheistic views. I'm glad brother Frank Turek addresses Atheism and beliefs of other religions and worldviews on Cross Examined ministry. I was an atheist and agnostic from 17-19 years old until I discovered evidence of God's Existence and Christianity myself. Creation requires a Creator we human beings would call God. Atheists seem to think that God cares if we know that He exists or not obviously don't understand why the last book of The Bible is called Revelation because He finally reveals Himself to the whole world. Jesus The Christ of Nazareth (Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) is The Son of The Living God came to save us from the Eternal consequences of our sins. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
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And isn't that just beautiful? To be a kid means we still have much to learn and can therefore continue to adjust our viewpoints until we get it right.
Being an adult... well it doesn't suck but it is monotonous. I understand why even pre-christian societies saw value in entertainment. We need something to momentarily elevate us from the monotony that life can become.
Frank Turek is an incredible speaker and incredibly wise. I absolutely love him!
He just shows that there is no objective morality with atheism.
Hitchens shut him up!!!!!!....
@@user-wx6pf2bc2r Frank Turek shuts down anything Hitchens said or could ever say.
@@user-wx6pf2bc2r hitchens didn’t do anything other than bash religion. He didn’t present any evidence to support his beliefs lol.
@jdos5643 do you think The Bible alone reliable evidence existence of a prime ruler.....
Nathaniel is good to listen to because he argues in good faith. He has been arguing concepts and ideas and never made it personal. Good for him.
I love what Frank does… He makes people take their arguments to completion and asks where they get those arguments…
Frank Turk makes it so much easier and simple to understand, without putting anyone down.
@@danielleelias685 And as soon as he debates someone like Dillahunty or Hitchins, we can see that his ideas don't hold up.
@@muziekmeesterrinze9909 you can put them together.
@@muziekmeesterrinze9909 Maybe so, but until we see, we won’t know.
@@muziekmeesterrinze9909 God is just the name we give the supra-natural that was powerful enough to bring all physical matter and energy into existence. We know God exists because physical matter and energy had to come from somewhere. Fulfilled Judaeo Christian biblical prophecy is also how we know that God is.
Young man thinks for himself and is truly open minded, you can tell he is a genuine person and wants to know truth! Such a good debate
Well, falling into religion is not really a truth, more like a cheat code that stamps "god did it" on everything they dont know the answer for.
For one to think through the cognitive dissonance in the moment it hits, is extremely rare 🙏. Great video and points.
Agreed - love the respect that was given and received on both parts. Great video.
I remember thinking that “I didn’t need to believe in God to be a good person” not realizing that’s because God made me with morals no matter if I believe in him or not. I’m glad I learned more and turned away from atheism and toward God. ♥️
Amen!
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Hello, always capital H in Him when referring to GOD and H in He ❤❤
Morals have nothing to do with divinity or similar. They are a tactic to keep us alive, same with feeling hunger or a sexual desire. Life is all about propagating.
@@ZeYoX-mw7sh I thought the kid said something similar to that & fell short when asked why?!
Why are we driven to propagate the species--if we're simply born, live without purpose & die becoming nothing/just seize to exist? If there's nothing after life, why do we care about continuing the cycle of ever existing at all?
How do moral virtues help us survive or prosper?
Why do most parents spend over a decade trying to teach their kids to, "treat others as you want to be treated" if we're all just born with so much goodness & knowledge of right from wrong?
Since I’m not a debater, I felt my anxiety level growing. I’m glad there are people that can have these discussions though and not shout.
Especially in front of other people. I can do that in private discussions between two people or in a small group but not with too many pairs of eyes on me haha
My brain would just implode.
Fantastic display of disagreement, teaching, understanding, and learning. Overall this dialogue was a very respectful showcase of respect. I loved it.
All it takes is a little bit of opening your heart to understand the truth. This young man will prevail in time.we need more people like him
Such a humble young man! I’m a christian and I have seen very few christians as gentle with opinions as He is
That should tell you something about Christians and the belief in general...
It does. That we christians are as humans as other people. Bless you 💖💖@@jarrodpitts5632
No one cares about what religion you are! Stop bringing up you’re religious beliefs because it’s not going to get you anywhere in a debate because you are already bound by a book of principles. It’s a horrible mindset to have
No it’s not the belief but the behaviour. I have seen mostly good Christians. You cannot easily separate what is society and what is religion when it comes to deviance.
Religion amplifies the sense of belonging and self identity. You protect where you belong to protect your (deemed) identity.
We need a lot of aloneness to break away from this.
@@jarrodpitts5632not all Christians are real followers.
I grew up a Christian but went through many years of deep doubts with my faith. The moral argument is ultimately what convinced me that Christianity is true. This exchange was great!
God bless your heart
The moral argument proved it to ya, did it? So, you are fine being known as a Rapist, murderer, abuser, violent monster with no morals? That your "God" is the only reason you know right from wrong? Without that being in the sky you are guilty of immoral thoughts and the fear of punishment is what makes you a "good" person? Then you are not a "good" person, when someone does something under duress it is not done with the intent and that makes you more guilty of having no morals than someone who does good to be "good" regardless of their "GOD". If there was a god I'd think it would matter if you chose to be nice rather than be told.
The sins you are running from are still with you. There is no "GOD" holding your hand during those wicked thoughts you have and you are not a good person just because you didn't follow through with your desires, you are bad for having those desires in the first place.
I'm a good person because I freely and willingly would like to rescue the world from the cave-person mentality of "I don't know, must be god." I would rather propel mankind into a future of intelligence and self-respect. Religion is a shackle meant to hold you down, break the chains and set yourself free.
@@DrayghonWhat is the point of propelling mankind into the future with intelligence and self respect if we all eventually die?
Great video! praise God for Frank’s ministry. Thanks for posting this.
This was the best conversation!! I loved it no arguing just trying to get an understanding
Yea, I like how these kids are not getting so offended that they close down. They are pressing forward and are open to hearing a counter-argument argument.
If humans were naturally moral and altruistic then history wouldn’t keep repeating itself.
The devil has learned what tricks works on mankind so he repeats them and so history repeats itself. Anyways that's why I think it happens over and over again. Tc
@@muppetonmeds Satan is pretty unoriginal. He uses the same tactics over and over.
@@cassiebennet4262 True he gets most people with money sex, or fame unfortunately we are so simple lol.
You cannot out psychologize the Bible for God not to throw you into hell for all eternity. In other words, you cannot come up with a good enough excuse here and now, so you will not be able to on judgment day. If you say you did not want to be born, God is going to say you should’ve been born again, that means become a Christian so that’s not gonna work. And there are no other excuses try to think of one. So now you know for the first time in your life, that the Bible is smarter than you and it is a steel trap, smarter than all of mankind, What should you do then? So at least investigate and look to see that these things are true, because right now you just learned the Bible is smarter than you, and you will be accountable for your life on judgment day before God!
Prophecy, the Bible is 27% prophecy, that’s future history written in advance. God‘s really sticking his neck out to get it cut off if he’s wrong, but he hasn’t been wrong about the thousands of prophecies that were fulfilled, so he’ll be right about the end of the world prophecies as well and you’ll have no excuse on judgment day for not looking for truth!
Caveat: you cannot look for God in times of chaos says Isaiah 45:19, so you better do it now. In other words,You’ll be too worried about your own survival when chaos hits, than your eternal destiny!
Statistic probability of 40 writers writing the Bible with zero margin of deviation, proves God wrote the Bible through the 40 writers!
God authored the Bible!
DNA does not auto encrypt, the code writer is outside of the code of the 3300000,000,000 lines of computer code in the human genome of our DNA! So who wrote the code to such sophistication?
1,000,000 seconds is 12 days, 1,000,000,000 seconds is 32 years! That’s the difference between 1 million and 1 billion!
One person’s DNA could fill the Grand Canyon up to 50 times full of books. John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did, the world wouldn’t have enough room for the books telling of it.“ this verse would be fulfilled!
Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“!
Psalm 139 is about the human body!
Amen.
Your words are a source of inspiration. Grateful for the uplifting content!
So refreshing to watch a respectful, rational conversation, I agree, if this young chap continues to be open and genuinely seek truth, then God will honour that for sure.
I love how consistent, cerebral and calm this channel is. Thank you, brother!
1 John 5 kJV
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
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The young guy was cool being respectful and honest about his Atheistic views. I'm glad brother Frank Turek addresses Atheism and beliefs of other religions and worldviews on Cross Examined ministry. I was an atheist and agnostic from 17-19 years old until I discovered evidence of God's Existence and Christianity myself. Creation requires a Creator we human beings would call God. Atheists seem to think that God cares if we know that He exists or not obviously don't understand why the last book of The Bible is called Revelation because He finally reveals Himself to the whole world. Jesus The Christ of Nazareth (Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) is The Son of The Living God came to save us from the Eternal consequences of our sins. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
This is why apologetics is sooooo critically necessary for today's secular culture of ignorance. I was like this at one time too. It's hard to see your own blind spots!
_It's hard to see your own blind spots!_
So let's talk then. I'm an atheist. Let's have a conversation, a back-and-forth discussion. After all, it's hard to see your own blind spots, right?
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Bring it.
Millions of years never happened to support the ape fairy religion.
"It’s a pattern in the fossil record that footprints are found in strata millions of years before foot bones, and evolutionists never explain how the critter survived millions of years after leaving its footprints until it finally got buried."
"It was first presented in detail in a paper by Adventist Leonard Brand and a co-author J. Florence in 1982. The evolutionists have never answered this challenge in the 38 years since. The pattern is the same for reptiles, amphibians, dinosaurs, birds, and mammals."
"How many years are we talking about? 10 million between trilobite tracks and trilobite fossils; 35 million between amphibian tracks and amphibian fossils; and 10 million between dinosaur tracks and dinosaur fossils. That is a curious pattern indeed."
@@Bill_Garthright I'm going to place myself in two scenarios so I can draw up a comparison.
If there is no God and absolutely nothing after death then regardless of how meaningful my life appears to be, it was only for a moment. The only thing left of me would be my lifeless body in a coffin which would decay over time. On the premise I cease to exist, I would to do whatever I want, whenever I want and there's no holding back as I won't be held accountable for anything past this life. Obviously, I'll have to abide by the laws of the country I'm in but that's as far as it goes.
However, should I be wrong and there is a just God and I have to stand before the judgement seat and be accountable for all the deeds I've done in my life, it would be utterly foolish to have ignored the word of God.
If the former is true it wouldn't matter what happens next but if there is a minuscule chance the latter is true I would be risking eternity on a gamble. The realization that even in my disbelief I'm taking a leap of faith is the danger I put myself in.
@@Bill_Garthright okay yeah. I was an atheist too. It takes honesty and integrity to be truly open minded. So where do you think my blind spots are?
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_I'm going to place myself in two scenarios so I can draw up a comparison._
Good! Thanks for the reply.
_I would to do whatever I want, whenever I want and there's no holding back as I won't be held accountable for anything past this life. Obviously, I'll have to abide by the laws of the country I'm in but that's as far as it goes._
That's not true. Yes, you won't be held accountable for anything past your own life (assuming that _no_ god is real and dead is dead, of course). But you'd still be accountable to other people in your actual life. And that's not just when it comes to laws, either.
We're social animals, after all. We survive, or not, in groups. We thrive, or not, in groups. Most of us care about other people, and our actions have consequences. _My_ actions - as an atheist - have consequences. Our laws are _part_ of that, of course, but only a small part.
But yes, I'm retired, so I do what I want, whenever I want. So what? True, I don't go to church on Sunday - or any other day of the week. Other than that, what do I do that's a problem?
_However, should I be wrong and there is a just God and I have to stand before the judgement seat and be accountable for all the deeds I've done in my life, it would be utterly foolish to have ignored the word of God._
OK. Then why _do_ you ignore the "word of God"? (I'm going to ignore that whole "just God" thing, assuming that you're still talking about the god of the Bible, despite that.)
Do you kill your neighbors for picking up sticks on the weekend? Do you murder homosexuals, heretics, and 'witches,' as your Bible commands? Do you stone to death disobedient children? Do you buy your slaves from -Africa- foreign lands? Do you burn women alive for having sex outside of marriage? Alternately, have you sold _everything you own_ and given it to the poor?
In reality, you ignore what the Bible says just as much as I do. I'm confident that you're more moral than the Bible and more moral than past Christians. The Bible hasn't changed. But secular morality has changed and dragged Christians - often kicking and screaming - along with it.
(To be fair, since Christians can't even agree with _other Christians_ about much of anything, let alone with the other faith-based people in the world, Christians were almost always on both sides. But any opposition to progress is almost always religious.)
In reality, I'm more moral than the average Christian - certainly than right-wing Christians! But even though I don't know you, I'm confident that you're more moral than your Bible. You'd be a monster if you weren't.
Of course, I'm sure you've got plenty of excuses. Christians have had two thousand years to develop rationalizations, just like other religions. (Do you ever talk to Muslims?) And excuses are almost as easy as claims.
So, yes, let's look at those two scenarios. Let's look at our prisons, for example. In America, our prisons are filled with theists, not atheists. And look at nations worldwide. Google "the most religious countries" and "the least religious countries." Where would you rather live?
The lists vary, because there are different ways of calculating that. (I've seen Israel on both lists.) But _in general,_ which lists contain the best countries to live and which the worst countries?
It's the more secular countries which tend to be the best - not always, certainly (I wouldn't want to live in China), but that's the clear majority. Why is that? This is _your_ comparison, after all. But the evidence doesn't seem to back you up.
_If the former is true it wouldn't matter what happens next but if there is a minuscule chance the latter is true I would be risking eternity on a gamble._
No, this isn't true, either, I'm afraid. You're assuming that the choices are between atheism and your particular brand of Christianity. But that's not true. After all, do you bow down towards Mecca and pray to Allah five times a day, just because you don't want to risk eternity on even a minuscule chance? I doubt it,... unless you were _raised_ Muslim, at least.
I appreciate the reply, but I care about the truth. I _care_ about the _truth_ of my beliefs. And evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. (It's also how we'd distinguish a _real_ god and a _true_ religion from all of the fake ones in the world. Your method of just... guessing isn't going to do that.)
So, how about one piece of good evidence, specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself, that your god is real, rather than just imaginary? Just *one,* please - for now, at least. Why is *one* too much to ask?
Alternately, since you seem to be a Christian, I'd accept *one piece of good evidence* that _any_ of the magical/supernatural stories in the Bible actually happened. Your choice. And I will _give_ you a guy named Jesus who was crucified by the Romans.
After all, if you have *nothing* distinguishable from wishful-thinking, then you have nothing distinguishable from Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion, either. So, again, why is *one* too much to ask?
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thanks.
As a Christian, I learned something from this video, mainly the wiring of an atheist. And I pray the light in this young man's eyes take hold and he comes or came to a saving knowledge of Christ Jesus our Lord.
Wow, that's what true intellectual curiosity looks like. What an amazing thing to see.
Props to this young man for admitting it!
Respect to this young Man, respectfully debating and asking honest questions seeking truth
This exchange captured something orofound that i have never witnessed in any type of debate on any level. Kudos to the young man who had ears to hear. As the commentator said, it was a beautiful moment and it literally stopped me in my tracks. God bless this young man. I pray he encounters the source of life, truth and morality.
Source of life is chemical reactions and groups of atoms, same way like a star, but our combinations give us some sort of consciousness.
Source of truth is pretty much our definition of the word, if you mean something like "objective truth" then theres no way of knowing it, since we are bound by our own capacities.
Source of morality is life, it helps us survive and propagate, and no, those are not good nor bad.
Id like to see you answer, thanks.
I like how at the end they were negotiating him taking the book. The young guy was receptive and willing to learn, and you can tell he didn’t just want to be given a book, but wanted the follow up conversation. This was good! I pray that he’s come to know the Lord
I'd like to know what the book was. My first assumption, of course, is the Bible. However, for some reason, I don't think that's what he was going to give him.
Could be C.S. Lewis's "Mere Christianty." Lewis started out as an atheist and set out to proof Christianity wrong using this moral stance, only to end up proving himself wrong.
I believe he will.
If you seek for the Truth earnestly, the Truth will find you.
@@magdeldeklerk2098No, the truth may not be God, theres zero proof for that.
More than likely "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" - A book that Turek wrote with Norman Geisler@@sheilalyda231
The respect here is palpable. Well done to both sides and nice commentary on your end.
I love how respectful the whole thing is!
Watching this young man being challenged to think critically and seeing his mind working to rationalize the purpose of goodness and where it comes from. So many young people are not told how to think but what to think. So refreshing!
I for one am blown away that someone from this age group is being receptive to the argument and actually having a discussion and not just screaming over the other person debating.
Nathaniel: "Humans are inherently altruistic."
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I want to ask him if he's ever raised children. Little kids are not altruistic by nature, and they do not become that way unless and until they are taught. Perhaps around age 3 or so, we begin to think in terms of other people's feelings.
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I would also challenge him to take his philosophy to a nation that doesn't have plenty of resources to provide all our needs and many of our wants. The reason many (but hardly most or all) people in America are "nice" to each other is we aren't scraping to survive. When you end up with shortages of basic goods and services, our real nature comes out. We almost always seek our own good for ourselves and those in "our tribe" before we give two craps for the person who is outside our group.
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If you don't believe me, then I'd ask why many people in the USA live in single family houses worth $250,000 or more and we have food we throw away by the pound while people in Africa starve in huts made of mud.
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The young man may push himself to learn more. Glad to see a decent discussion on important topics done respectfully.
Children don't need to be "taught" altruism. Children younger than 3 or so lack empathy because they lack theory of mind, not because they are just naturally evil creatures... Once a child reaches the age where they can comprehend that other humans are conscious creatures with the capacity to have experiences and feelings, they virtually all begin to naturally show care and concern for the well-being of others...ask any psychologist.
Yes, we do all tend to put our own needs and desires above those of others but that doesn't mean we can't still be cooperative and civil. Self-preservation and altruism are not mutually exclusive. The fact that some countries are much poorer than others isn't really relevant to this...
This captures thoughts that I couldn’t express😭 🤝🏾🤝🏾
Why do parents teach their kids to be nice? Because when we are able to think beyond child like capabilities, we realise there is higher moral accountability in our hearts that came from somewhere.
Reading this after being punched in the face at the supermarket by my 2 year old son. 😂
But the idea that humans are naturally altruistic seems the opposite of all the evidence of history to me.
You can also argue that being moral and good creates stability and greater chances of survival with lower risk to the individual. It is perhaps the case that religion and its doctrines created by man claiming divine influence is a strategy to create a much larger collaborative and safe tribe where the individual is or sub group is less under threat. However religion, or religious followers across history also have a very deep history of oppression over those who do not comply with their particular belief systems, because they don’t fit into the “framework” of a particular “belief system / group” they are considered a threat and historically removed. Similar with cultural group bias. Why does a white pizza driver get beaten by young black poor youths when entering their space, because he is seen as an outsider to their group / tribe mentality, and is excommunicated with a beating from their culture and identity which is at that point their group religion.
This all goes back to: defining good and evil. Love it.
I’m so glad that they are composed. Brings joy
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this channel. May God bless you and expand your reach, brother.
Thank you so much! For the Glory of God!
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Frank says he understands law of non-contradiction? Please make this go viral.
CREATION ARGUMENT DEMONSTRATED USING LOGIC SCIENCE 101
LAW OF CONTRADICTION A=B IMPOSSIBLE CONTRADICTION SUBJECTIVE ILLOGICAL IMMORAL UNJUST ILLEGAL
A nothing caused evolved into = B the effect of something
This is A=B impossible contradiction
LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION A isn't=to B
In labs all day
A nothing causes evolve = A the effect of nothing
B something causes evolve = B the effect of something
Hence A isn't=to to B is objective absolutely true logic
INTELLIGENT DESIGN ARGUMENT
LAW OF CONTRADICTION
A non intelligence causes evolve into = B the effect of contradiction intelligence
This is A=B law of contradiction impossible contradiction subjective illogical immoral unjust illegal absurd confusing reason
LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION A isn't=to B objective absolutely true logic. In labs.
A non intelligence causes evolves into = A the non contradiction effect of non intelligence
B intelligence causes evolves into = B the non contradiction effect of intelligence
Hence law of non-contradiction A isn't=to B is objective absolutely true logic that can never be DEBUNKED
MORALITY ARGUMENT
LAW OF CONTRADICTION A=B IMPOSSIBLE CONTRADICTION
A non morality causes evolves into = B the CONTRADICTION EFFECT of morality
This is A=B impossible contradiction and non morality can never cause the effect of morality that would be A=B impossible contradiction. In labs
LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION A isn't=to B objective absolutely true logic
A non morality causes evolves into = A the non contradiction effect of non morality
B morality causes evolves into = B the non contradiction effect of morality
Frank should have taught me how to demonstrate. Not logical opinion without demonstration. I am the first man PERSONALLY TAUGHT HOW TO DEMONSTRATE BY GOD
A God is a pacifist that doesn't kills
B God is a non-pacifist that does kill
This is A=B contradiction impossible big fat lie
God can't be both a pacifist and non-pacifist
Law of non-contradiction
EITHER A God is a pacifist that doesn't kill
OR B God is a non-pacifist that does kill
Not both to avoid A=B impossible contradiction hypocrisy
Closing argument
If B God is a non-pacifist that kills is LEGAL MORAL AND JUST, then a God being a pacifist that doesn't kill would be ILLEGAL IMMORAL AND UNJUST
Absurd your honor, God would have to exterminate the human race and the commit suicide because killing is only legal and non killing would be illegal.
Simple eh grasshopper. Peace out, I wonder if God will let me be one of the WITNESSES AND DEFEND HIM WITH LOGIC SCIENCE 101 IN THE END TIMES?😍👍😎❤
Read my comment bro
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ABORTION ARGUMENT?
Give argument to an honest lawyer and judge to make abortion illegal world wide.
LAW OF CONTRADICTION A=B IMPOSSIBLE CONTRADICTION
A abortion is moral just and legal
B non abortion is moral just and legal
This is A=B impossible contradiction subjective CORRUPT MAN'S LAW
LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTION A isn't=to B objective absolutely true logic
EITHER A abortion is moral just and legal
OR B non abortion is moral just and legal
Not both to avoid corrupt impossible contradiction law
Closing argument, your honor simply if A abortion is the only moral just legal law without hypocrisy contradiction, the human race would exterminate because B non abortion would be immoral unjust and illegal to avoid A=B impossible contradiction subjective illogical immoral unjust corruption in man's law.
Your honor you must make A abortion immoral unjust and illegal and non abortion B moral just and legal ONLY WORLD WIDE TO AVOID A=B IMPOSSIBLE CONTRADICTION CORRUPT LAWS.
I sent these arguments to the US SUPREME COURT, ISRAELI SUPREME COURT, RUSSIA SUPREME COURT, CHINA SUPREME COURT, IRAN SUPREME COURT. Make this new knowledge go viral. Peace out bro 👍😎😍❤
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Read my comments, no response?😍👍😎❤
Nathanial was honest from the rip. I love it when I see Christians such as myself remember that another person isn't intended to be used as an opportunity to pretend they're slaying the devil himself in the sight of God. This young mans questions were legitimate and came from a place of trying to better understand. It was good to see a Christian speaker with the temperament to handle this situation maturely and taking THE Carpenters cue and build the bridges instead of burning them.
Spot on. The approach taken by some like a comment i read calling on Christians to be aggressi e (and praising the Crusades and Inquisition) was both depressing and sadly almost 99% likely written by a white American
@@vanpallandt5799Kinda ironic how you assume his nationality and ethnicity from what he said. Seems like you are the one with agressive stereotypes.
Nice job my brother nice corner to bring out for sure thank you for bringing this to the table of your platform thank you for what you do
This is how a discussion should be, they were both respectful of each other and open minded. Not like those college students arguing violently, that their opinions are more important, don’t care what you have to say…. And when ask a question and since they they can’t answer it, or you have a point, they attack you back don’t answer your simple question, they walk away ( walk of shame ) 🤣😂
Respect for both of these men. Not having a debate for the purpose of winning. But rather trying to understand each other and come closer to the truth.
I love watching videos like this, it helps me become a better thinker and listener. When I try to articulate a point, I often find it difficult to express it and simply freeze up. Watching these films gives me more faith as a Christian to speak out in confidence about God's truth.
Hope you can reflex and even answer this.
If everything needs to be created, and god created everything, who created god? If you say that he got created, we go in a cycle. If you say he doesnt need to be created or similar, then it would contradict the first assumption. Not everything needs to be created, so theres no need for god to create us.
Hope it helps, and ill be waiting for an answer.
Wow Doc is amazing I am locked in now!!! Excellent discussion
There’s something so refreshing about a decent, respectful conversation between two opposing sides.
In this world, I’ve gotten so used to hostile, interruptive, antagonistic, yelling matches that I’d forgotten that respectable people with dignity and respect for others still existed.
A calm, peaceful debate about the truth is so nice.
Not once in his entire adult life did Stalin demonstrate that he cared about someone before he cut their throat
And he was the atheist, not Hitler. Hitler was a Roman Catholic, so I have to disagree with Daily Dose of Wisdom's conclusion.
Frank Turik is more careful when making hypothetical examples, whether to use Hitler or Stalin. I have a feeling he knows the difference between the two.
@@faustociola2974 hitler wasn’t Christian by any stretch of the imagination
I've seen only a few of these videos so far but I am consistently impressed by the depth and intricacy of the questions these students articulate. The speaker's ability to follow what they are saying and clearly deliver such good replies so quickly is equally amazing. These give me hope.
Yes, this is what education should really be like rather than brainwashing and indoctrination
The professor has made a life study of God, philosophy, sociology, world history, religious histories, etc. , so he is able to converse with the students and is unflappable because he has knowledge of what he is talking about. A lot of people don’t have the knowledge of the subject but want to debate. A true teacher will ask questions to make the student think.
PLEASE support Ukraine and Ukrainians, because now the Russians are behaving like the Germans in the time of Hitler, they obey the evil government, and not the higher good, and it is impossible to serve God and evil at the same time.
@@gingercake0907He is christian, so he is already somewhat biased for his own beliefs. Just keep a skeptical mind and you will be fine.
Edit: nvm, realised this doesnt make much sense with your comment.
@@ZeYoX-mw7sh He is a Christian so when He teaches He will talk about the love Of God and Jesus Christ. People amaze me when you talk to a Christian do you actually think they will promote anyone else but God? Bias? Christians don’t answer to men , we Christians answer to God through Jesus Christ. Our allegiance is to God. There is not much man can do for us, but Jesus can resurrect us incorruptible and eternal. He can make us acceptable to God the Father. What can you offer Frank or me that will ever come close to that? All you offer is death. Hmmm which should I choose life eternal or death. Hmmm Now until you offer what Jesus offers maybe you should go sit down somewhere.
I really like your videos and your commentary. Beautiful lighting and sound on your set too. Thanks
I wish all Conversations were this open and respectful ❤
I appreciate you not interrupting every 5 seconds and letting Dr Turek cook. I hate when these short videos just constantly break the flow of the conversation
Go watch the entire thing then instead of fragments..
@@azoniarnl3362 i do. I cant find this specific one though
I love the fact that what is going on gives us hope, and revives the faith on those who have been doubting... GOD bless us all.
This was great. Love their honest conversation.
God bless you Nathaniel. Such a smart open minded young man
When presented by a true follower of christ, and not a wolf in sheep's clothing, the truth of the word never fails.
True follower of christ? Truth of the word? So you think you know the truth? What about every other person with different beliefs than you that also believes that they know the truth? Are they just wrong? If so, could you prove it? Thanks
@@ZeYoX-mw7sh the great thing about the truth is that it doesn't care about your feelings or your beliefs and is unchanging. the truth proves itself, don't blame the messenger because you refuse it.
I really appreciated the thoughtfulness of this young man with each point he made, what he wrote down and memorized before he got to the lecture hall, and how he processed new input that he received. I hope he does the same thing with reading his new book. A huge thank you to Frank Turek for handling this situation so well, and guiding this young man to the Truth. I also greatly appreciate this channel for posting conversations like this, as well as your commentary.
Just out of curiosity, is your "truth" god?
Just think if politicians could do this .
This was great. I’ve watched several of these and the biggest theme I see is this: All of these young men and women aren’t asking these questions to be proven right, they’re asking these questions in hopes that they’re proven wrong. Their lost and are seeking faith but those last strings of the darkness are still holding on, though stretched to failure. God is the most amazing.!
Thank you for these videos sir.
Actually he's a smart kid and he is seeking for the truth and at the end he will arrive there. All path lead us to God, but only one lead to the father
Nothing he said gave evidence to any God 😂
I don’t think so, he got himself hung up on the word survive. There is a big difference between surviving and thriving. All the evolutionary traits he was trying to talk about are more closely related to thriving. A survival trait would be something like fearing the dark/unknown.
Good for you, man. You are doing a good thing making these videos available. God bless your work!
I really enjoyed the give-and-take that was respectful and thoughtful. I love videos like this that illuminate Christ to others.
Love this....good stuff.... So thankful I found you
You’ve earned a sub!
I’ve been watching your videos for the past few weeks, but never subscribed, until today.
At first I didn’t know where your heart was at, but I see you’re a compassionate guy. keep up the good work! 😎
Such good honest dialogue. It’s actually beautiful to watch unfold.
Refreshing to see someone wanting to learn instead of just trying to prove a point.
Excellent and logical and polite exchange. I am happy to see the young atheist to be open minded
This is awesome! I love the debate and the respect given by both speakers! Absolutely beautiful! Want to see more!
This guy who said humans are inherently moral clearly has never lived in a tough neighborhood
I kept thinking that to where did he get this idea of it? Humans are altruistic has he ever read the New York post? People are so violent, of course not just in New York. People are killing their babies for Pete’s sake.
We all have morals, but these morals are not only meant to serve the group, but also the individual. Egoism is a moral, whether it’s good or bad, depends on the situation
Yet for example in poor barrios in Colombia, most ppl are not active crimimals
I just love two people can talk about something like this. In situated others can learn.
Awesome debate and thanks for critiquing and sharing
I come from a Scientific family, but a few years ago I felled compelled through the holy spirit to start reading the bible, then I stumbled on a phase where I felt a the need to reconcile scientific thinking with my faith, and at first I thought it would be imposible, because of how long we've been propragated the wrong concept of what Faith really means. Then I stumbled trhough your channel and started listening to the likes of John Lennox, Turek, William Craig... Glory to god for using creators like you to answer some of my questions. God bless you. New subscriber here!
Faith doesnt mean "believe in something with no proof of it existing"?
The scientific evidence indicates that a snake has always lacked both the cognitive abilities and vocal chords required for speech as has a donkey. 😂😂😂 A man can NOT live in a "great fish", tribes of giants did NOT once inhabit the middle east along with witches demons, angel's, zombie's, demigod ect 😂🤣😅
The earth is NOT covered in a crystalline dome ( firmament ) that "keeps the waters out" nor does it have windows in it to "let the rain in" 😂😂 It does NOT contain both the sun and moon along with all the stars that the bible says can "fall to earth" ( most stars are many thousands of times bigger than the earth ) 😂😂😂😂
Man origins do NOT lie in a mud figurine instantly becoming a living breathing man and a rib becoming a woman only a few thousand years ago at the behest of a magical invisible being who thinks it moral to *"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"*
But hey if you disagree we could take turns presenting our testable, predictable, observable, falsefiable, peer reviewed evidence FOR our respective positions.
This kids after the truth and intellectually curious, bravo! During a time when the worlds telling us what to think its refreshing to see someone reconcile their ideas
What a respectful argument. Good job from both sides.
THANK YOU FRANK FOR ALWAYS STANDING FOR THE TRUTH!!!!
"Truth" is demonstrated dear not asserted, its that which best conforms with the FACTS and EVIDENCE and has nothing whatsoever to do with "faith" Knowledge of FACTS, also called "propositional knowledge", is defined as true belief that is distinct from opinion or guesswork by virtue of justification. A "FACT" is a point of data that is objectively verifiable ( demonstrable ) Absent "Facts" one has only the opinion or guesswork and no justification to claim such knowledge.
Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜
@@trumpbellend6717 Ima steal this comment, thanks.
Great video breakdown! I love your set up, and I love how everything you said was relevant and the flow of your commentary going between the video and yourself talking was perfect! May God continue to bless your work! We need you!
Imagine all discussions being like this, sensible, respectful, no one's offended or triggered because neither of them are taking it personal, they just share eachothers view, knowlege and perspectives.
You know, it doesn't matter what force of good you believe in as long as you are good- and we've turned so far away from that. Nowaydays you can't be friends with someone who's other friend's friend don't agree with them. It's sad. This is a very good video❤
This was excellent,for personal insightful knowledge.
I'm thankful for this young man having the ability to rationally process what is happening in real time
This is indeed a true debate, with no intentions of aggression and gratuitous insults that make no sense.
The Lord will touch his heart. He’s open to the truth.
I LOVE this. This was so good. And it’s so important even for long-standing Christians to question if God is real. It’s good to be a critical and free thinker. God meets us where we are. He knows who we are, and He is not ashamed when we question His realness. God is so good and will show this young man in a way that will meet this young man’s mind and heart. So good.
Being open minded is so critical. I recently observed a two year old who upon seeing another child holding a small object, began growing adgetated, grasping with both hands, frowning and shouting, "mine! mine!, mine!" The aggresion and intent to seize the object by any means necessary was palpable.
Words like "altruistic" sound lofty and clean, but they don't function well down here in the trenches of life.
There must be an independent, objective standard for good verses evil, because humans cannot objectively evaluate themselves in the light of these truths.
That was great! I really enjoyed that, and as an agnostic, it has my wheels turning. I agree with everything Frank Turk said. I’ve been slowly changing my perspective, however I still lack belief. I’m in a confusing predicament at present. My mind understands the necessity, and truth that without objective morality (essentially God) humans have a much higher susceptibility to commit atrocities, but for some reason belief eludes me still. I’m hoping that eventually changes.
@odious5317 May I suggest that you read “Mere Christianity” and “The reason for God”?
Hello, my friend. There is only so far one can go with a strictly intellectual agreement with the facts of the Christian worldview. Ultimately, the only thing that will drive a person to seek Christ is to A) realize and believe that your immorality is offensive to a Holy and Just God; B) recognize that God owes you punishment for your immorality, this punishment being eternal separation from God and all that is truly good (which is what we call Hell); C) that it would be unjust for God to give you anything but the punishment you have earned; D) and to fear that punishment to the point at which you would be willing to repent and call on God to change your heart and mind to come into conformity with his will.
The term "gospel" literally means "good news." Reading what I wrote above surely sounds like bad news! To admit,, "I am a sinner; God is holy and just; I deserve eternal torment in hell for rebelling against a holy and just God," is bad news indeed.
So, what's the Good News? The good news is that, while God is totally just and will not sweep sins under the rug, he is also Merciful! God wants to have people in heaven with him -- that's why he made us in the first place. But sin has come between him and us. Since there is nothing we can do to avoid God's justice, God himself did the unthinkable -- he became a man, lived a perfect, holy and just life, and then suffered and died on a cross to take the punishment due to sinners upon himself. In his hours on the cross, Jesus took the sins of the world upon himself and suffered his Father's wrath in our place.
If you were guilty of a crime and you owed a fine that you couldn't pay, and if someone else said, "I'll pay his fine for him," (and did so), then you would be free to go; there is no injustice -- the fine is paid, the debt is satisfied. You are a free man because someone else took your punishment.
That's what Jesus did for all who put their faith in him. *A*dmit that you are immoral and owe God a death; *B*elieve that Jesus died on the cross for YOUR sins; *C*onfess it to the world; *D*isplay it in your life from this day forward. The C and the D are lifelong activities.
This is the gospel, the good news! You don't have to suffer eternally in hell. Believe in Jesus and experience God's salvation. Find a Bible-believing church in your area and start attending. Blessing to you! I hope to see you in heaven.
@@Hey-pt5fv You may, and I will read those books. Thank you.
@@Hey-pt5fvmy pastor just gave me mere Christianity and I’m making my way through. Indeed a very good book!
@@BatMite19 I was raised Catholic, and have done all of which you described, and I never felt a connection, nor a belief. That is what lead me to question things, and ultimately is what turned me agnostic. I appreciate you for sharing this information, and the willingness to help a complete stranger (me) with finding belief.
Anyone that doesn't know Dr. Turek needs to. Great dude full of knowledge, he is.
Dr Frank Turek: Atheist killer 🤣🔥🙏
@@jonhohensee3258 yeah Turek
@@Rymann_23 Not really.
More like full of shit, Turek belongs in the rubber room
This was beautiful to watch and reminds me of my own lifelong journey from trying to figure out reason for believing in God to believing in Him myself.
The biggest reason being that over the last decade or so, but with a focus on the last few years, easily witnessing the rapid degradation of society all around us and seeing the evil and ugly coming out of people, meanwhile looking at the natural world and all of its beauty and wonder - seeing these two juxtaposed, and understanding that *if* such evil can exist right in front of our eyes, so too, can such good. And if not God, then who?
The other reason being my husband bringing me closer to God in understanding that I was made for him and he for me, and to be Made demands a Maker and if not God, again, then who?
Wonderful video. ❤️
I like the way the debate is conducted. Both wanted to learn and not to win. Continue to air such videos. 🙏🙏🙏