Dedicated AR-22

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  • Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
  • 00:00 Intro & Test Ammo
    01:32 Test Target Setup
    02:21 Dedicated Upper-Test Groups
    04:55 Switching Over to Conversion Kit & Test Groups
    08:08 50 Yard Test Results
    15:31 Confirmation Testing at 50 and 100 Yards
    18:44 Final Thoughts and Conclusions
    In this video, I accuracy test a dedicated .22 LR upper at 50 and 100 yards using a variety of ammo types. The barrel is a CMMG .22LR 1:16 twist 16” barrel, properly torqued into a 7075-T6 aluminum upper receiver with a 15” handguard. A Harris bipod provides support along with a rear bag, and a Geissele SSA-E trigger provides a crisp 2-stage target pull for maximum consistency. We also test a conventional CMMG conversion kit in a 16” 1:8 twist 5.56 upper, to show an accuracy comparison as well. Please refer to the video link below for more info on the rifle build itself.
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  • @kennethmitchell2785
    @kennethmitchell2785 10 місяців тому +6

    Well done. I have the CMMG conversion kit but I want a dedicated upper. I learned a few things and that was why I was here.

  • @isaiahlarios7272
    @isaiahlarios7272 Рік тому +4

    Amazing information, I appreciate your organization of the groupings with labels!

  • @robertseafield5810
    @robertseafield5810 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video and info. Thanks much!
    I have found over the years that certain loads will prefer their own fouling. So, shooting the five rounds first is a good idea when testing like you did.

  • @RaymondMares
    @RaymondMares 8 місяців тому +2

    Love your videos…very clearly organized and the content is well delivered. Thank you!

  • @michaelstubblefield253
    @michaelstubblefield253 6 місяців тому

    Just found this video just as good as your other one still waiting on us to come in glad we bought the right ammo

  • @utubemaine3
    @utubemaine3 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for your excellent professional work.

  • @Sookiecat
    @Sookiecat Рік тому +5

    Just bought a dedicated 22 Cmmg upper myself. Can’t wait to sight it in.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      Did you buy a complete upper from them, or the barrel by itself?

    • @GigAnonymous
      @GigAnonymous 5 місяців тому

      Same. Bought a full CMMG upper, with a 9" barrel. I'm shooting the same Aguila ammo, too, so those results give me a lot of hope.

  • @boopy123
    @boopy123 Рік тому +1

    I Appreciate this video so much! Great job!

  • @DaveinDenver01
    @DaveinDenver01 Рік тому +8

    Outstanding upper vs conversion performance testing! THX!

  • @hondasaurusrex6998
    @hondasaurusrex6998 Рік тому +6

    I always enjoy videos related to the ye olde 22lr. As to the CMMG conversion kit try using bore buddy buffer tube plugs. It improves the accuracy of the setup. Keeps the kit more in place inside the upper.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +3

      Why a Custom AR-22 is BETTER (For Me) Than a 10/22. W/Better Mag Adapter and Bore Buddy Weight Kit
      ua-cam.com/video/WkXSxDh_-H0/v-deo.html
      Realized I’d never replied here or added the link to the newest video. Latest build details (including buffer plug and bolt weight kit) found here!

  • @mmelgoza1983
    @mmelgoza1983 26 днів тому

    Love that Aguila Super Extra! One of my favorites.

  • @JPFM2509
    @JPFM2509 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for the video. Greetings from Brazil.

  • @kenboyles72
    @kenboyles72 8 місяців тому +4

    I run the conversion kit in a 1:9 twist barrel and get about 1-1.5 in groups at 50 yrds with CCI mini mags and Aguila. With bulk target ammo, I have had groups open up to 3 inches at 50 yrds, but at 35 yrds, groups are pretty descent. When I swap out to the conversion kit to go squirrel hunting, I always zero at 35 yrds and haven't missed one yet with any ammo. Some barrels/uppers run great with the conversion, some not so much.

    • @rooknado
      @rooknado 6 місяців тому

      Have any barrel recommendations?

  • @AngelGdo
    @AngelGdo Рік тому +1

    Great video!

  • @supergreatairgunreviews
    @supergreatairgunreviews 2 місяці тому

    Great video and testing. My friend wants to get a conversion kit and I was telling him they don't group very well with a .223 barrel. Also your aim point changes so you either have to adjust the optic or just deal with it. That's why I just went with a M&P 15-22 instead. The conversion kit is still pretty cool for the price however, and can add a dedicated .22 upper later.

  • @BlackdogADV
    @BlackdogADV 7 місяців тому +3

    I had horrible luck with a new CMMG barrel I bought for my dedicated AR22, It was shooting 4-6” groups at 50 yards. After months of waiting CMMG sent me a new barrel. While I was waiting I bought a new Beyers barrel and it groups less then an inch at 50 yards. I’m using M&P mags and a Redi-Mag adapter, it’s 100% reliable.

    • @anthonyvanek8685
      @anthonyvanek8685 6 місяців тому

      What ammo with the beyers ?

    • @BlackdogADV
      @BlackdogADV 6 місяців тому

      @@anthonyvanek8685 CCI Standard.

    • @anthonyvanek8685
      @anthonyvanek8685 6 місяців тому

      Hmm, thanks so @BlackdogADV in his first video he said the same he had to get a replacement barrel from cmmg but this gentleman was showing 2.4" groups at 100 with his second barrel, so the beyers barrels, you're just getting lighter barrel ?

    • @BlackdogADV
      @BlackdogADV 6 місяців тому

      @@anthonyvanek8685 lighter, yes. In my case way more accurate. I haven’t shot at 100 yards yet.

    • @rooknado
      @rooknado 6 місяців тому

      What lower ? thank

  • @awsomedude9111
    @awsomedude9111 Рік тому +3

    Aguila! Interesting never thought much of ammo from Mexico but we got lots of it when I worked at Academy.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +1

      It’s good stuff!

    • @Kenny-uc1yp
      @Kenny-uc1yp 11 місяців тому +1

      The Aguila extra velocity is great in .22lr. It's hard to beat it on price and performs with mini mag.

  • @bilbobaggins8876
    @bilbobaggins8876 6 місяців тому

    In my dedicated upper,(not CMMG) I can get about 1 inch groups at 50 yards from a bench with CCI standards. The ammo I was really surprised by was armscor high velocity hollow points. In my particular set up they did almost as well as the CCI standards.

    • @USMCGUY2020
      @USMCGUY2020 Місяць тому

      What barrel are you running?

  • @xstevenx8132
    @xstevenx8132 Рік тому +2

    Great video. Answers a question I’ve had a for a long time.
    The questions I still have are would a 223 or 223 Wylde be more accurate with less neck space? Also, have you tried the bore buddy products? Specifically the pressure plug, I feel like that might take out any additional slop. Overall, the question is what is the best possible setup for the cmmg kit? I think the dedicated would still be the best but it would definitely make for an interesting comparison. If you are anywhere near DFW I have some uppers that could be tested.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      I have recently put up a video testing it as a dedicated build that should answer a lot of those questions haha
      Why a Custom AR-22 is BETTER (For Me) Than a 10-22. W/Better Mag Adapter and Bore Buddy Weight Kit
      ua-cam.com/video/WkXSxDh_-H0/v-deo.html

    • @xstevenx8132
      @xstevenx8132 Рік тому

      @@thereloadingcraft haha what an appropriately timed video.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      Hopefully it was helpful!

  • @briank.7937
    @briank.7937 Рік тому +2

    Very surprised at cci standard! I buy automatic all the time for my pistols and my RAR .22lr. at $21 for a box at Wally world, it's the one I stack deep. Minus that bucket of bullets I got for $60.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      I was too! It shoots pretty well in my Walther P22, but didn't in this for some reason. Any insight to why would be appreciated!

  • @kensweet386
    @kensweet386 2 місяці тому

    Adding the BoreBuddy kit to the CMMG bolt seems to improve accuracy.

  • @0214Bub
    @0214Bub Рік тому +2

    I used to shoot a cmmg conversion kit quite a bit until I picked up a 15-22. Recently I became interested in getting a dedicated cmmg upper so when I saw your video I thought I would give it a watch. I remember having a similar problem with random weak or light sounding shots. I finally came to the conclusion that the problem is the 22lr bolt carrier rocks ever so slightly back and forth causing the occasional odd shot. Recently I came across some company called BoreBuddy as I recall that makes aftermarket 22lr cmmg parts. One is a buffer plug thingy that supposedly reduces the issue that I was having and that my be your issue as well.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +4

      Yup, I am running their plug now, and was running my own version of one (felt pads for compression against the BCG) previous to that. Hoping to do a more detailed video on the build soon!

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +2

      Why a Custom AR-22 is BETTER (For Me) Than a 10/22. W/Better Mag Adapter and Bore Buddy Weight Kit
      ua-cam.com/video/WkXSxDh_-H0/v-deo.html
      Detailed video is up!

  • @josephbolz4550
    @josephbolz4550 5 місяців тому

    I take it the dedicated upper is a no name as I bought one from Konza guns which is one of 50 bazillion ar-15 name stampers. Works great but came with no papers. So if mine is the same as your which it looks like it is a mp-22 mag will also work besides the cmmg

  • @craigromack6156
    @craigromack6156 Рік тому +3

    I don't have an ar in 22lr or a conversion kit. I don't have accuracy issues at 25 yards. A henry lever, ruger 10/22 and cz 457 varmint precision. I'm starting to get into precision testing, just haven't done much yet

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      Nice! Which Henry lever do you have?

    • @craigromack6156
      @craigromack6156 Рік тому

      @thereloadingcraft should be a model H001, basic old 22 rifle. I do have a Henry model x in 44 mag, but wasn't referring to that one.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +1

      Solid. I have a friend with one and they’re excellent 👌🏻

    • @craigromack6156
      @craigromack6156 Рік тому +1

      @thereloadingcraft seems to have a slight issue with feeding. It gives a little difficulty sometimes. Normally I just slam it in hard and I'm good. Seems perfectly accurate. I mounted a vortex 2-7x32, I believe it is. Nothing special, plenty good for 25 yards

  • @user-tc2ud9fz3w
    @user-tc2ud9fz3w Рік тому

    DPMS 16" 5.56 with a 1 in 9 twist rate. Just bought one on sale for $129 with one mag. Already had a boat load of .22 Golden bullets from Remington with the same ballistics as the Mini-Mags. Going to go shoot it soon.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +1

      Sweet deal!

    • @user-tc2ud9fz3w
      @user-tc2ud9fz3w Рік тому

      @@thereloadingcraft I wrote that poorly. I was telling him about the rifle, and made it seem as though IT cost $129. But the rifle cost me $399 (after $100 rebate), and the CCMG .22 conv kit cost the $129. Sorry.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +1

      Nope, I was tracking actually, assumed as much that you meant the conversion kit haha

  • @5jjt
    @5jjt 4 місяці тому

    Does your dedicated 22lr upper have a carteidge shaped component permanently attached to the chamber area? When I search for dedicated 22lr barrels, they all seem to have an attachment that appears like a 5.56 cartridge.
    I know my CMMG conversion 22lr BCG has that same 5.56 cartridge thing attached.
    Im wondering if any 22lr platform gets away from this design.
    In your video, you refer to it as the conversion kit nose. I guess what im asking is if your dedicated barrel has a permanent nose attached to it.

  • @andydufresnejr
    @andydufresnejr 10 місяців тому +1

    a dedicated RTB upper with PSA lower should work right?

  • @pvegod1484
    @pvegod1484 4 місяці тому

    Do subsonics run through 22 ars? Looking to get one here in the uk for hunting but I always use subs. Dont know if it’s too optimistic though as my cz457 shoots half inch groups at 50 yards. Just think they look cook

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  4 місяці тому

      Yep, these kits have fairly light bolts, and usually cycle most subs just fine

  • @sharedpollard4407
    @sharedpollard4407 Рік тому

    The most striking thing was how low on the target you hit with the conversion kit. The dedicated is traveling faster?

  • @VexingVelvet
    @VexingVelvet 4 дні тому +1

    What is the brand of this dedicated upper? I watched this twice and can't find this in a description...

    • @VexingVelvet
      @VexingVelvet 4 дні тому +1

      Nvm it's a DIY, I thought it was a complete upper from a brand, my bad...

  • @TheLoneRanger745
    @TheLoneRanger745 Рік тому +2

    I researched all the conversation kits and dedicated M-4 type 22lr rifles, I found Tippmann Arms M4-22 Elite Pro ALL Metal construction. I installed Holosuns HS403r w/HS3X magnifier, my indoor range is 25yrds after dialing in I was very happy to get quarter size groups,(CCI 40gr. mini mag solid nose 1235) I've considered putting a PSA drop in 3.5lb. trigger which I have on two others 556's and did make a difference for Me on accuracy. But I don't think My Tippmann or i could do much better. Trigger hammer weight is a factor , Tippmann's hammer is already tuned and good enough stock , but PSA's 3.5lb. Trigger is great in a 556 it's single stage, pressure and brake.

  • @anthonyvanek8685
    @anthonyvanek8685 6 місяців тому

    Plz Get a Borebuddy Apogee match barrel and a beyers match aluminum sleved barrel do the same test, then with some semi-match grade just to see the upper limit some federal gold, eley auto, etc not talking tenx but would love to see the capability of the ar22 everyone is saying they wont compete with a 10/22 with match barrel 🙏

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  6 місяців тому

      I would love to, if they were in the budget at the moment. Unfortunately both are fairly pricey

  • @-1Patroit.
    @-1Patroit. Місяць тому

    Season the barrel 🤯

  • @jonathanlunger2775
    @jonathanlunger2775 Рік тому +1

    I think you should get a tank break for your .22

  • @dtroy15
    @dtroy15 4 місяці тому

    1.25" at 50 yards isn't 1.25 MOA, it's just under 2.5. thanks for the comparison video.

  • @darrel15
    @darrel15 2 місяці тому

    Platforms needed to be more similar imo at least optics. I shoot 22 groups at 25 yards on 12-15x magnification. 6x at 50 isn’t cutting it for precision groups

  • @BlackdogADV
    @BlackdogADV Рік тому

    I’m sorry to say my new CMMG barrel is terrible! It’s 8 months old and I can’t exchange it. Tested it today and got 5 3/4” at 50 yards with Mimi Mags. I should have spent another $100 and got a Beyer barrel. This is a dedicated .22.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      Mini-mags aren’t always the best determiner for accuracy. Try some CCI standard velocity regular LRN ammo and see if it improves, would be my recommendation. If not you may have gotten a bad barrel too. I’m not sure if they had a bad lot or what, but I did end up with a good one finally

    • @BlackdogADV
      @BlackdogADV Рік тому

      I should have mentioned I tried the CCI standard velocity also and it was 5” groups. I’ve heard of several people that received bad barrels from CMMG. I just informed them of this issue, hopefully I’ll get it sorted.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      Keep me posted if ya can, I’m curious to hear what they say/how they resolve it. If it’s shooting 5” with SV…absolutely a no go.

    • @BlackdogADV
      @BlackdogADV 7 місяців тому +1

      As it turned out it took 3 months but CMMG did replace it, I just got it 2 days ago. But while I was waiting I bought a Beyers barrel and it’s grouping under an inch at 50 yards. I’ll put the new CMMG (medium profile) in the classifieds. I finally have a shower I’m proud of.

    • @USMCGUY2020
      @USMCGUY2020 Місяць тому

      @@BlackdogADV Which Beyers barrel did you get?

  • @nathanderk4854
    @nathanderk4854 Рік тому +5

    Federal Bulk Pack CPHP- Absolute Garbage! Higher price doesn't always mean better.

  • @ck2503
    @ck2503 5 місяців тому

    I sure hope so cuz I just spent a lot of money. XD

  • @5jjt
    @5jjt 4 місяці тому

    You're lucky to have a private place to shoot.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  3 місяці тому

      It is a gun club so occasionally there are others there too, but yes I am definitely thankful

  • @roadtrippin2781
    @roadtrippin2781 2 дні тому

    I can't find any links but by the vast differences in your groups between the two I'd swear I should be able to find a link to that upper with you getting a kickback... I'm just like wow! Vastly different from the 50yd groups this gent got with two builds yet same conversion no dedi upper... ua-cam.com/video/cGQ8wnp_pi8/v-deo.html

  • @mlone7
    @mlone7 11 місяців тому

    Federal 36gr is absolute junk. I bought 6400 rds of them. I use them to warm barrels before settling in to get serious. Bore Buddy's premium kit with a dedicated barrel rules.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  11 місяців тому +2

      Oof, yeah that’s rough. Also have you seen that bore buddy is releasing a match grade 22 barrel here really soon? I think end of the month it goes live

    • @mlone7
      @mlone7 11 місяців тому

      I already contacted Will, the owner, and reserved my spot on those barrels. 21" barrel so it ought to be pretty accurate.
      @@thereloadingcraft

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  11 місяців тому +1

      Nice! Let me know what kind of accuracy you get, if you think of it!

    • @anthonyvanek8685
      @anthonyvanek8685 6 місяців тому

      Is the borebuddy upper using the match or the blaster barrel ?

    • @mlone7
      @mlone7 6 місяців тому

      @@anthonyvanek8685 I am using a CMMG 17" barrel. They call it a 16 but it measures 17. I was going to buy the 21" from bore buddy but bought the CMMG right before it was available and after using it I was happy with the accuracy and held off of the 21". I am not using a bore buddy upper assy and dont know if they offer such a product but it would seem that would be next on Will's list.

  • @brentstevens8207
    @brentstevens8207 Рік тому +1

    There is absolutely no reason to "Season the bore". You only worry about the cold shot, and the rest will be better. Thing about cold shots, if you are not familiar with how your rifle shoots cold, you can miss your shot.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +4

      With 22 and differing ammo types, yes there is a reason to season it. I’ve done multiple test groups and that is evident by the results. Switching between a waxed LRN to a plated HP or vice versa usually takes at least 10-15 rounds I’ve found for accuracy to stabilize.
      Cold bore shots are also a thing, but with 22 rimfire fouling shots do matter if you’re changing ammo types for sure.

    • @shannonfritsch6647
      @shannonfritsch6647 Рік тому

      Always get your barrel used to the lube on each type of ammo. And a new barrel will need several boxes for barrel to season.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      Well said!

    • @shannonfritsch6647
      @shannonfritsch6647 Рік тому

      @@thereloadingcraft ❤️

  • @cecilandrews7479
    @cecilandrews7479 Місяць тому

    The groups aren't enough to justify that much money

  • @organfan1968
    @organfan1968 6 місяців тому

    .22 Hollow points fly like crap

  • @11C1P
    @11C1P 5 місяців тому +1

    Using a 1:8 twist barrel for the conversion kit is hardly a fair comparison.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  5 місяців тому

      For a conversion, it’s currently the most popular twist rate for 5.56 barrels. Yeah you can buy a specific 1:7 or 1:9 or 1/12, but you’re most likely going to be using a standard 5.56 barrel or building an AR-22 upper using a dedicated 22 lr barrel.

  • @MrZola1234
    @MrZola1234 Рік тому +7

    I would like to see an apple to apple comparison, you rigged this one to much in favor of the dedicated upper.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      How so?

    • @MrZola1234
      @MrZola1234 Рік тому +4

      @thereloadingcraft as you said, bipod vs no bipod, stronger scope. Also, looked so much more focused when setting up.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +2

      @@MrZola1234 agreed, on camera for this clip. What wasn’t shown was the hours of group testing prior to filming, and testing the conversion upper prior to even making this video. I can say the groups here were indicative of those previous group trends as well.
      To be honest I was not happy with the accuracy out of the dedicated upper, and ended up sending back the barrel for a replacement, and adding in a bolt weight kit and mag adapter, all of which lead to better groups. Check out my latest video on the build for a performance comparison, and what I’ve ultimately settled on as being the ideal AR-22 for me.
      Why a Custom AR-22 is BETTER (For Me) Than a 10/22. W/Better Mag Adapter and Bore Buddy Weight Kit
      ua-cam.com/video/WkXSxDh_-H0/v-deo.html

    • @SCORESHOT990
      @SCORESHOT990 9 місяців тому +1

      @@thereloadingcraft I have no doubt a dedicated 22lr will typically be more accurate than a "conversion". Mine is. However, this was NOT an "apples to apples" fair comparison. Bipod vs bag, High power scope vs Low power scope, Low power scope not zeroed to aim point, OR intentionally zeroed to impact well below aim point.

    • @Jcasta8
      @Jcasta8 Місяць тому +1

      @@thereloadingcraftyou know what you did 🤨

  • @slavikarlov
    @slavikarlov Рік тому

    I'd assume the 22lr would gunkip the gas port in the barrel going back to the bolt. Not ideal for a quality and very reliable 556.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +3

      In an actual 5.56 barrel they can. CMMG recommends running some 5.56 through after each range session to blow out the gas system.

    • @slavikarlov
      @slavikarlov Рік тому

      @@thereloadingcraft tipman arms would be the way to go probably. I get the issue of affordability but be an adult first.

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому +1

      You do know I am now running it with a dedicated 22LR Ar-22 barrel, right? 🤨
      ua-cam.com/video/WkXSxDh_-H0/v-deo.html&feature=share9
      ^Here is the full build details video.

    • @Of-AgeConsentingNon-Related
      @Of-AgeConsentingNon-Related 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@slavikarlovi can afford to try ALL the options and buy another 556 rifle for dedicated backup. and i can darn sure clean the gas tube every so often, nerd.

  • @TheLoneRanger745
    @TheLoneRanger745 Рік тому +1

    The real problem with conversation kits are running your 1:7 twist 556 barrel. 22 just can't stabilize, super Xtra did good

    • @thereloadingcraft
      @thereloadingcraft  Рік тому

      So that’s actually a 1:8 twist, but I agree. Ended up liking the dedicated ar-22 upper and glad I did.

    • @JohnHilman1968
      @JohnHilman1968 6 місяців тому

      I'm running the conversion with a 1:9 twist. It seems to be good, but I do want a dedicated upper.