Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Picard 3.3 - Seventeen Seconds
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So far, Worf giving his warrior's resume and then asking if she wants sugar in her chamomile tea is my single favorite line in the entire series.
I literally had to pause and doubled over laughing at that. I can only say "Good tea. Nice house."
"Death the opposition" level stuff right there.
@@Codisrocks that was a glorious episode
That was a wonderful switch! I'm such a great warrior, how do you like your chamomile?
That line from Worf was very well-written.
I’ve been waiting YEARS for them to use the windows like they did in this episode. The amount of times I have screamed at the TV “just look out the windows if the sensors are down!” Is probably in the hundreds. So glad to see some one finally thought of it!
They didn't think of it. They just heard you through the TV.
That's why the viewscreen of the Kelvin Timeline, as well as Discovery, Picard, and Strange New Worlds are windows. It makes sense to have a window, but with the viewscreen information displayed over it.
Wait. What if the writers are among us here? If so, awesome!!! 🖖
@@kadosho02 wait a minute... Are YOU a writer for the show? 🤔😲😂
@@ehenyor i wish, but I am a viewer, and fan 🖖
When we discovered the changeling were back, I cheered. When Worf mentioned his close friend, an honorable man, in the Great Link, I legit teared up a bit. If only the late, great Rene Auberjonois were still with us, we may very well have seen Odo again.
It is so wonderful having these memories isn't it? I could just picture the conversation.
His son looks surprisingly like him. They might work something out
Yes -- loved that Worf mentioned Odo (although not by name, but we all know he was talking about Odo -- it couldn't be anyone else)! It was bittersweet. 🥺🥲💝
@@trekkieforlife1988 It would be very easy to explain a new actor, what with his shifting skills improving after all this time in The Great Link, and various other reasons that people who get paid to do it can come up with
It did hit home
Hearing Michael Dorn give all the titles and honors belonging to Worf is damn near a tear jerking moment. Thus far, Season 3 is everything Picard needed to be from the start and I'm here for every single second.
I just thought it was hilarious. Worf has always been the funniest character in Star Trek. And we now know for sure, when he tells Riker he is a pacifist, he is just winding him up.
I like how LaForge thanks Seven as “Commander Seven”. She accepts Seven as she is
It's the 25th century... I'd hope so...
@@jacobdrj101 have you not been watching?
@@jacobdrj101 Doesn’t stop Shaw…
But shouldn't it be "Commander Nine"? They never called Riker "Commander William"!
@@tsedge99 Touché.
As soon as Worf said Great Link I lost it. I was jumping up and down in my chair screaming with joy.
Same, I was pretty sure when Raf asked "why are you already sweating?" just after we saw the one on the Titan attack Jack and his face distorted. When Worf asked "How long have you been away from the Great LInk I was like "YES!" I just pray they do right by DS9 best Trek series of them all.
I'm genuinely curious - but why? There's no way I can ask it without sounding like some fandumb menace snarky arsehole, but I'm genuinely trying to understand.
@@thecynicaloptimist1884did you watch DS9 and familiar with the Dominion War?
For this season, we're all going to have a LOT of jumping and down moments. I haven't been so excited about SiFi since Battlestar.
True - but I still don't understand why Odo contacted Worf rather than warning the Federation. Yeah, I get Odo can't magically make thousands of years of paranoid fear of "solids" vanish overnight -- or even over twenty years. And I assume relations between the Alpha Quadrant powers and The Dominion are fragile at best and saying there's a dissident anti-peace faction in the Great Link wouldn't help. But surely a warning would be a significant show of good faith - and it would just take a simple scan of Dominion space to prove there's no military build-up going on.
Worf/Michael Dorn has single handedly taken this whole series to a whole different tier. Sprinkle in a little J.Frakes, I could watch this cast mow lawn and be enthralled.
An observation that you should have made and expanded on: When Jack tells Seven they're being tracked, she calls to the bridge saying "HANSEN to the bridge" to tell them they know the ship is being tracked. Later on, when she's taking Jack to sick bay, she calls to the bridge saying "SEVEN to the bridge". So there is CLEARLY an indication that since Shaw is no longer in command, she is now going back to referring to herself as 7 of 9 and not Anika Hansen. I think though this was subtle, it was VERY significant.
Or it could be just a mistake.
@@CathrineMacNiel its not it was clearly intentional. nothings a mistake. the script was written that way for a reason
she doesnt call herself seven of nine, just seven.
@@ferninthehouse nothing is a mistake? So raising the shields while in red alert is normal? Or diverting power to the warp core? Yeah no mistakes at all
@@CathrineMacNiel why would they not raise shields when going to red alert?
I'd also say of Marina's little cameo that she also was channeling a bit of her character's mother Lwaxana which fit perfectly.
The drinking and the high strung energy definitely felt at lot like Lwaxana.
Exactly my thought 😅
I was thinking the same thing. :) I love how much she was channeling her inner-Lwaxana here!
Yes! But also a new mum whose husband has gone off for whiskey and cigars with an old mate while their home was probably in chaos! He only could justify going out because it was Picard. We all know we've got one friend where you get away with it. Couldn't have met Geordi or Worf at that time.
As a DS9 super nerd, this episode brought tears to my eyes. 😭❤️
My jaw dropped when Jacked punched the Changeling crew member in the face and his face rippled, I was like NO 😱
@@edkwon I legit paused the episode and thought.... Really changelings? In like a really good way.. but i was still like WTF anyway
I am so excited that we get to see changelings with 2023 special effects! That makes this amazing reveal that much sweeter ( especially when the changeling reverted in that gummy way in front of Worf & Raffi)
@@edkwon I was thinking it can’t be a changeling. They surely wouldn’t give DS9 that much love. Glad I was wrong.
I squealed with glee !
Totally disagree about that last down. You didn't mention that earlier in the episode, Picard uses the death of Riker's son to manipulate him into attacking. Something like letting his "fear of loss" dictate his actions. That cuts deep, and in the end, it worked. Riker decides to attack, and it backfires, and now Riker is supremely pissed at Picard, but also at himself for letting himself be manipulated, and lashes out. It's a fantastic last scene, and Frakes plays it perfectly.
I thought the same. It felt right to me.
I agree...
They didn't attack until they literally had no choice. Warp drive was out, they weren't getting away... The sneak attack was the only viable move at that point, I think that is why Riker was convinced to try it.
But I think Picard nudging at one of Riker's vulnerable spots like that is a good reason for him to be thrown off the bridge.
I can't say you're wrong but it also stuck out to me, especially because captains in Star Trek often make everything their fault what's going on on their ship and this time he even gave the order. Maybe it should have made clearer that he adresses him as a friend that talked him into that but the order was too formal for that. I think wording it differently would have made the difference.
I agree the two are pretty pushing at each other. However, Riker is one of the finest Starfleet captains ever (if you disagree, reread the Titan books).
He was adviced, but he was in charge and made the decision to follow that advice.
To blame somebody else after he did so, felt very out of character to me. I can't remember him shrugging off respsibility before.
I really liked Worf and Raffi's banter displaying Worf's sense of humor. To me it felt like Jadzia's influence.
100%, it definitely seems like he's been practicing his jokes since DS9. They're still bad, but he's still trying!
Worf had been a great joker long before Jadzia appeared.
I said in a thread the other day he will be the making of her. Characters need relationships. The whole JL thing just brought contempt and was so jarring for those of us who had watched TNG. Her connection to Seven was embarrassing - two women bickering with little to do and with absolutely no foundation and any reason for us to care. And manipulating Elnor and hated by her son. I had always thought Raffi (or Rafaela!) was Picard's first officer on the most important mission of his life. She must have been one of Starfleet's finest. They will do her justice in this season.
Raffi is a trash character
Frakes earned his directorial credit with the Picard/Crusher scene. Both are 'stiff' with anger and just the fact there are literally TWO medical beds separating them maximizes the tension.
As always it's a pleasure to see Frakes work, in front or behind the camera.
First thing I noticed is that physical distance between them as they begin to talk. A literal and figurative gulf between them.
Frakes the best Star Trek Director. In my opinion first contact is second only to wrath of Khan.
@@jackstraw522 couldn't agree more Just watched first contact last night
No particular reason
Other than I like it A LOT
and yes wrath is nr1
Just saying 🇧🇻
@@jackstraw522 Speaking of, anyone else notice how many cues from Wrath of Khan this season seems to be taking?
I'm not complaining mind you.... this has been a far more enjoyable season than the first two.
This 3rd episode is pure fire. That scene between Crusher and Picard was riveting. Whole episode was, actually. In regards to Riker dressing down Picard at the end of the episode, I can see that as Riker being more angry at himself for NOT playing it safe like he usually does, gambling following what Picard says and taking it out on Picard when it backfires. Yes, Picard was telling him to fight but it was ultimately Riker in command. I can totally see Riker going to Picard next episode and apologizing then them working together like they do best. At least I hope that is what happens.
One of them has to be a changling.
absolutely, all-good-things-Riker and Thomas Riker were just as emotional as this Riker was at the end. Riker is often shown to break under too much stress. When he screamed "Fire everything we got!", he was already beyond his limits.
Reminds me of Picard dressing down Worf in First Contact
Riker is a changeling
Riker gave the command to 'Fire'...that's on him, not Picard. So agreed, totally off base at the end after such an on point episode. Just a weird decision to make on the part of the story tellers.
The one thing you missed which I expected to come up, was Picard going to sickbay to see Kack (who nearly died) via turbolift which took exactly 17 seconds, mirroring Riker's experience as his son was born.
Ooo! Very good!
Correct. The foreshadowing of Riker's story being paid off..
I literally was counting the seconds while he was in the turbolift 😃
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My personal take on the "You've just killed us all" line is: Are we sure that's actually Riker?
We now know that Changelings are involved and there were themes in the trailers (and to a lesser extent in the first two episodes) of 'do you know who anyone is', trust no-one' etc.
This may even explain the comment about Riker's family would be happy for some time with him away: It was a great way to shut down further conversation about them that a Changeling might have had difficulty with.
I'm also guessing that if the weapons theft was a distraction, that would probably explain how Lore manages to appear in the series: wasn't he dismantled and stored at Daystrom?
I came here to say this. He would be the most devastating changeling. That or he's a bitter surviving Thomas Riker who joined in on the Starfleet hate train...
I thought the same thing.
Ooooooh yes that makes total sense! I didn’t think about them considering lore as a “weapon”! Good sleuthing!
@@morebaileyskim I wonder if a certain Holmesian hologram might also have been there too...
@@rachelcarr4405 Oh, a Thomas Riker theory? That's neat, also brings in yet another 'villain' from past Trek (though honestly I don't think he was a villain as such).
The biggest part of that final Riker and Picard scene is that a captain should never say "You killed us all" on the bridge. We've seen it time and again. A captain needs to project strength and calm. He says "We're going to get out of this" even if inside he's thinking "We're screwed".
So true! A captain (Riker) of his experience saying that - to his best friend and an Admiral no less - is unconscionable.
Absolutely with this. That is just poor judgement call. The morale damage that could cause is so bad.
I was as disappointed with this fatalism as I was his anger at Picard, maybe even more so. IMMEDIATELY he should have been thinking on the fact that her goal was never to kill Jack, so this is a DELIVERY. Get ready for what's coming.
Shaw is a better captain than Riker or Picard - he may be unpleasant but less people would now be dead. The crew's lives matter more.
@@Jimorian I started to suspect that Riker had been replaced. It suddenly makes more sense if it's not the real Riker.
Just a quick comment Sean...Thad Riker was approx 15 when he died, not a baby. Remember he created all those languages and they left Starfleet to go to Nepenthe to try and use its natural properties to cure his illness. Kestra and he were very close growing up.
Correct
yeah i was going to say this
Not sure he was 15. In the Picard books, post the withdrawal from the Romulan effort. I think he is 7 or 8, and is that age when his sister is conceived.
Sean also says in season 1, "Will is 20 years removed from the death of his son." But Thad died as a teenager. I think Deanna also says Thad's 18th birthday would've been the previous week, meaning his death had only happened two or three years prior to their reunion with Picard in season 1.
TrekCulture often miss things like this. (same happens in WhoCulture)
I love that they hinted at the guy Jack fought being a changeling. When his face moved, i thought "Surely he isnt a changeling, couldnt be", but when Worf said "the great link" and i was honestly surprised for the first time in season 3, hope they keep it up.
I immediately gasped "he's a changeling!" 😲 I'm loving the cross-overs here, it's brilliant!
Once I saw Jack make the guy's face go squishy I suspected changelings. Then, when the junkie was losing it I thought... Wait... Has it been too long since he was liquid?
😅
I had a feeling the changeling would be here in this season from the trailers but I was expecting it to be the bald female Vulcan lol
Some guy posted a video complaining this is DS9’s season 8 and not the next generation I was gonna tell him to shut up and enjoy the fact every series is getting a mention
I liked the continuity that Shaw relieved almost all the bridge crew except for the Vulcan, as Tuvok and other Vulcans have established that their species can stay awake and for for far longer periods of time than other species.
But those officers were back on the bridge later on. It's like they got a 20 minute power nap and went right back on duty. And LaForge spent half of it talking to Seven. That was a continuity error to me.
@@YooTubeSlave I think they just omitted some off time they really had.
@@YooTubeSlave You let people get the rest they can, but when shit really hits the fan you use everybody, rested or not.
@@YooTubeSlaveyup. Time appears to be an ongoing “issue” with this season.
To be honest, it makes sense, when a ship is at a high level of alertness, nobody is getting more than an hour of rest at a time.
The montage of reused Star Trek clips was amazing. One thing I noticed that I didn't see mentioned was the way that the Changling died when Worf shot it. It seemed to kind of evaporate in the same way that the attackers in the first episode did when Beverly shot them, which Riker later commented that he hadn't seen a phaser blast like it before or something to that effect, which may mean that those attackers were also Changlings (and therefore I would also assume the Klingons and the Starfleet people who turned attacked Beverly and Jack were also Changlings). Trust no one... Are we getting Secret Invasion in Star Trek before Marvel releases their Secret Invasion series? Favorite episode so far, favorite season so far. This is the sequel I've been waiting for since Nemesis ended the story of these characters.
If you watch the episode back with subtitles on when Vadic is ordering her crew to fire, when the alien replies, the caption says changling crew 1, so kudos. So is Vadic a founder?
@@fayemorrow4114 I was wondering about that well. When the subtitles came up. Which is a nice extra feature.
If so. Dang this is unreal
My mind is blown - well done 👏🏼
@@fayemorrow4114 are those other ailens new Jem'Hadar
@Sharon Casey Ledwidge I don't know. They weren't referred to as Jem'hadar. Maybe a subclass of changling?
I never expected to see Worf playing good cop. I'm loving the interactions between him and Raffi. I also agree that the argument between Picard and Riker escalated to fast for how long they have know each other.
* Rafaella
I love that he uses her full name. Such a Worf thing to do. Also reminds me how Seven would always say Naomi Wildman. I'm just waiting for a Seven & Worf team up where they use each others full name and titles
@@stephenderry9488 - he knows his character so well. Michael Dorn said they also wanted him to call Riker, Will - nope. Worf just likes formality.
The scene between Beverly and Picard is EXACTLY what this show should have been about from the beginning. Tension between crew mates, lovers, friends, etc. We should have been exploring the crew's relationships from the get.
The Changeling surprise is also the most solid "tie in TNG/DS9" baddies from the entire series. That crown would have been the Borg, save for the way that ended last season.
I had basically said 'if Crusher says it was too dangerous I am not buying it. Totally out of character'. But she sold it. I believed her. It made sense. I thought she was totally morally wrong - and that was out of character for her - but the stupid decision was one that I could imagine her making. Mother protecting her cub. And that was in character.
The line that River says “You’ve killed us all.” Is from TOS episode Balance of Terror. Surprised Sean missed that.
I thought of Tupalov's XO's line in Hunt for the Red October
@@jackkenefick2696 this...and now I'm wondering if HFRO writers were referencing Balance of Terror!
The look of Riker after he’s kicked Picard off the bridge was almost a mirror image of his All Good Things future Riker self. He seemed older and beaten down.
Al lmost like he just said something really REALLY stupid
I'm guessing that was the shape shifter, not the real Picard.
@@detpak I thought of this too but if they go that route it will create massive continuity errors in the episode. Rather Riker or Picard is a changeling.
@@detpak There is a close up of Picard right after the portal swallows the torpedoes but before it opens up behind them (the Titan) where he says "No." The close up and the way he delivered the line felt like the real Picard. It's pretty quick and there is a lot going on around it obviously, so it's easy to miss.
@@miriammontgomery8902 honestly both are parts of a vast series, so both have their place within the TNG saga.
But All Good Things, I totally agree definitely could have been a two hour film. But what we saw back then, it was still an epic finale
I loved the new changeling effect. It was like a totally new visual presentation and yet it was immediately recognizable as THE founder/changeling effect.
those natural posatronic properties
Glad it worked for you, but for me it did not. I did not recognise it and was wondering, what kind of face changing tec that might be, when I first saw it. But changelings did not come to mind. And to me it also loocked somewhat gross and uncanny.
@@ShadowwingMD Well, I guess the old effect just didn't look gross and uncanny because of the limited technology back then. I think they captured the spirit of the changelings very well. To me it felt like an update and not like a totally new thing.
Just going to mention this because nobody else has; the scene that starts with Picard walking into Sickbay and finding Beverly working on Jack to revive him is literally and figuratively a birth scene. Jack is reborn to life via his mother's care for him, underlined by her actual words "come on, baby". The other thing that is born at that second, because of the scene being played out in front of him is Picard's now genuinely manifest and concrete sense of being Jack's father. The previously abstract notion becomes reified because a "substitute birth scene" can take the place of the one he never got to witness. This will change him going forward. It does, in the instant, bring him and Beverley closer to a rapprochement and slightly alters his relationship to Riker.
Yes I agree. And on paper sounds awful. But it worked. Hats off to the writers, actors and director. There is a magic at work here.
I'm more than happy to see the founders back into the storyline.
It is very believable and realistic that an enemy that almost took over the alpha quadrant didn't quietly go away after DS9.
I sort of wonder if the Female Changling will show up again because of this.
It's great to have them back. However, they should improve their shapeshifting skills to better loose followers in a crowd.
@@lukasbohnenkamper4954 On several occasions, including the changelings on earth episode of DS9, the changeling impersonating the Star Fleet admiral simply changed into a bird and flew away. Odo did that on DS9.
@@cylontoaster7660 Yep, my thoughts exactly. The Dominion gave up all their ambitions in the Alpha Quadrant just because Odo said he's rejoin the Great Link, but they also lost a senior leader in the process. I can't imagine something more important to a bunch of rogue Changelings that hate the Federation.
@@BillinHungary Exactly. That's why I thought it strange that they could capture this one so easily.
This is head and shoulders better than the previous seasons.
At this point I'm erasing S1 and 2 from memory and just acting as is this is s1 of Picard.
i agree - if it keeps up the good work, when the season is over, you will have a 10 hour feature film similar to the Lor of the Rings trilogy. i rarely binge watch but i could envision a watch party for the whole season.
The cast is fantastic, feels like they wasted s1 and s2 of Picard, inexcusable, they have to do more stories with this group!
its on stilts. why couldnt they give us 3 seasons of this like
I love this season. 1 and 2 were fine, but Season 3 is killing it.
I think what isn’t considered for that Picard and Riker moment is that the build up also includes Picard talking about Riker’s fear of loss as a pointed nod at him losing Thad, and we saw how Riker’s face changed and he warned Picard to be careful and not tread on that. He’s already in a mood over Picard bringing up Thad and so his comment to Picard at the end is understandable in that moment, even if maybe not the best time to say it.
What if Picard was still in sickbay ? And The Picard on the bridge was a changeling ?
But if Riker had any "wisdom" he would say 'true, but as a old dad letting a new dad, trying to protect your kid can make you more aggressive' but he didn't do that he just got offended by the remark
I agree and to add to that I think there is a difference between Riker as a friend and Riker as a captain. Picard is openly undermining his authority in front of the crew and to throw his son in there as well pushed him to the edge. You could also say he's lashing out as Picard pushed him to make a tactical decision he didn't want instead of being the captain
@@Frowdo Ryker isn't a pushover as a captain. If he didn't want to make the call, he didn't have to. Regardless of who is pushing the idea. He's also a better captain than to make such a demoralizing comment like that in front of the entire bridge crew. It feels like the exchange was meant for Shaw to say to Picard, rather than Ryker. He seems like a much flimsier captain, to put less thought into his words like that.
Best episode of "Picard" yet. Worf's self-intro and his name checking the Link cemented that standing.
I love how Worf uses Raffi’s full name Raffiella
I agree that the "remove yourself from the bridge" stood out, but one thing that stuck with me from the last episode that took the edge off, was what Vadic said about pecking at them until everything that made them "them" was gone. So by the end of this cat and mouse game, Riker and Picard seemed to be playing on the flight or fight roles vs the life long friends they have been. My thoughts anyway, loving this season!
The montage of reused footage was brilliant. Great job guys ❤. I am loving this season so much and your ups and downs videos. 😊
I think there’s something alive in the nebula, it was trying to communicate with Jack while he was being gassed. Something about branches and a door.
Good theory, there is definite something alive in the Nebula and it'll have some role in preventing the demise of our heroes
The way it branched out and particularly the way it did so around Seven as well as mentioning doors...I wonder if they're hinting at an old Borg Transwarp hub being in the center of it?
It would allow them to escape and potentially end up anywhere in the galaxy (though we know it would be either the Alpha Quadrant or at least near the Bajoran wormhole).
@@RadzPrower Intriguing theory.
@@RadzPrower Maybe the Borg Cooperative? Not sure how they'd send a message the way they did, but... maybe?
@@andromidius Oh, I wasn't even assuming it was Borg reaching out. The nebula itself might actually be alive but the Borg wouldn't necessarily know or care about that if it hid their transwarp hub.
Did you ever consider Rikers uniform isn't a uniform at all? They are together in a bar...picard is dressed casually, in my opinion so is Riker, wearing a casual jacket with his communicator with him, since he is the captain of a ship, that may be in port, and needs to wear it if someone needs to get a hold of him....take back the down for this scene
Possibly something like Picard's several jackets in the TNG/DS9 era. He did have pips so he's not *completely* out of uniform, but it could very well just be a different part of the same (late) DS9 era uniform. That's definitely much better than yet another main-line design
I agree, it's probably a "business casual" jacket that Captains have the option of wearing, just like Picard's jacket or Kirk's tunic.
I assume its a Captains variant but he is still hitting on a major flaw with all of new Star Trek since Discovery started. Theres no consistency or “uniformity” where fleet uniforms are concerned. Every show has just made up multiple uniforms with no regard or attention to the eras they exist in.
@@langleymneely I'm fine with the idea that there's different uniforms. Different posts such as Space stations, colonies and vessel missions could have different types of it could simply be captain's choice
@@langleymneely Canonically, every ship is supposed to have it's own unique uniform and even comm badge, implemented at some point shortly after DS9 ends. Seems to be implied to be due to Starfleet trying to intentionally make protocol a little more casual to try and demilitarize following the Dominion War. From a Doyalist perspective, it's probably to give costume design a little bit more freedom.
Besides, Star Trek has never really had consistency with uniforms. It wasn't a problem during the original series, as that was simply the only era, and then it was easy to maintain a relative consistency when Trek was having several consecutive series', but cracks started appearing with the movies and then especially with Voyager and Enterprise.
Having just finished DS9 a few weeks ago for the first time, I feel like I'm being rewarded by these plot developments.
I think if you’ve ever worked in a corporate entity and was promoted to manage an old boss, you’d know exactly how difficult that relationship is between Riker and Picard. Picard told Riker to call him No 1 (that deserves another up) but he still fell back to old habits. Turned out Riker was right.
Oh and the title itself didn’t just refer to Riker’s 17 seconds when he went from the bridge of the titan to sick bay. It was also Jean Luc’s same journey on the new Titan to see his son.
YES. Picard had totally earned getting thrown off the bridge when Riker snapped. I could see the tension building up the whole episode, especially once Shaw put Riker-NOT Picard-in charge as acting captain. Riker immediately felt responsible for the entire crew, and acted accordingly. Picard’s attitude was very “I’M JEAN-LUC F*CKING PICARD!!!”, as if he was still in charge and could do no wrong. Riker had few good options left but to tell him to go to his room.
Can't say I ever have, but yeah, I can imagine the tensions there.
i love that Shaw turned command over to Riker, protocol would require that picard take command as the highest ranking officer on board. However he is not suitable for this, he has personal reasons that could affect his judgement. Hence Riker, Shaw really is portraying a very capible commander but someone who i feel broke the rules, likely in the dominion war and paid for it. why he is wanting to stick to protocol.
Picard is retired so riker would be highest ranking active duty
@@Valefor Riker is no less compromised though. He is reliving the loss of his own son through the peril of Picard's.
isnt this why admiral kirk asked for a demotion?
Picard is 'Admiral' in name only as he's retired.. Riker was reinstated to active duty and is the highest ranking member of Starfleet onboard.
Admirals generally are, so to speak, above commanding ships. Picard wouldn't likely have been instated as acting captain.
I think there were 2 other things stolen at least, Lore and professor Moriarty’s matrix. I think Vadic is a distraction and not anything but a bounty Hunter. I’m excited to see the dominion possibly being back. Also that vision Jack had seemed like a Bajoran orb experience. I’d love to see Captain Sisko, fingers crossed.
What if the Nebula is another home for the Prophets? Or worse, the Pah-Wraith!!
@@blenderjunkyriz It could be the nebula talking to him.
I am not sure if Moriarity’s matrix would be valuable enough to warrant “portal-gunning” a large starfleet facility as a distraction. I think it’s something bigger, something capable of mass destruction. Project Genesis?
@@petertenthije maybe the Founder leader they arrested has been kept there in a stasis chamber or just in a container. Who knows? It could be something like you said. I hate waiting.
@@petertenthije I reckon Moriarty just happens to be there and is inconsequential. I think Lore was the real target. Moriarty probably gets activated to help Raffi and Worf.
Upon rewatching the third episode, I noticed the magnetic sound (like a magnetic boot) connecting to a metallic surface when Worf holsters his weapons! Yet another great connection to First Contact!
This, THIS RIGHT HERE, is another reason why I will be sad when Picard is done. I am really enjoying these wrap-ups. Thank you to you and your team.
Love that the changelings are back. That was my favourite part, along with Worf.
This HAS to be by FAR the best video of TrekCulture. The re-used footage bit was genius. I was waiting for the Bird of Prey lol
I don't think the removal or Picard from the bridge was forced, my main problem with that whole discourse between Riker and Picard is the fact that Picard's "let's fight them" stance was very much un-Picard. It goes contrary to everything we've learned about his character through the decades. My other BIG complaint about this episode is that Picard should not have taken the second in command position. As soon as Captain Shaw transferred command, Riker should have called Seven to the bridge and reinstated her to duty. She knows that ship infinitely better than Picard and would have been much more effective in that role.
100% astute observation, Seven should have been reinstated as Number 1 to remove the arguments between Captains.
The Beverly-Jean Luc scene was the most ‘Picard’ that the character has felt since this show started
Despite my currently being in the middle of rewatching DS9, the thought of this season's "big bad" being the Changelings never even crossed my mind before they revealed it.
I had thought that they were all sentient holograms, who had reverse-engeneered the Doctor's mobile emitter, probably being led by Moriarty.
The actor who played Moriarty only filmed for a day so I knew he couldn't be a big bit. He is surely connected to Lore. Everyone had assumed the bugs from 'Conspiracy' but I had ruled that out. They were just too random - they didn't fit at all. So I did think shapeshifters made the most sense. What I didn't realise was that they would be from the Link - a splinter group that may have been operating for 30 years. I sort of naively thought 'ah well Odo is in charge, that's all sorted'.
Best episode of Picard so far. Characters felt like themselves. Dialogue was believable, story was captivating! And oh the nods to the canon! So many easter eggs!
Easter Eggs??? Come on. Nostalgia or a good plot? You can have both but this is definitely not one of them that makes me even more upset
worst
I wasn't entirely cool with Riker flipping the switch on Picard so quickly. Like his head got too big to fit out the door by getting the captain's chair back. He was treating him like crap all of a sudden for no real reason.
@@jeffs6090 Maybe it's just a plot device to throw us off.
Actually loving the portal weapon after initial scepticism, especially the way it's used in the space combat. Also, actually liked the conflict between Picard and Riker, even after their charming chumminess. They're both acting as parents but from different perspectives, and as leaders also from different perspectives that have been reversed.
Bringing the changelings in was an absolute stroke of genius, this suddenly got very very interesting and so many great moments from Worf especially his opinion of odo and how he was the one to put it all together from his time front and centre in the dominion war, genius. The hard convo between Bev and JL was a stunning moment, very intense. Hated what Riker says to Picard as he dismisses him, below the belt and out of character (just hoping this is part of a ruse they concocted for the benefit of saboteur/Vadic). Can't wait to see where this is all going now. I'm loving the reveal of Jack backstory, BUT that guy is NOT 21 sorry.
That is one of my favorite scenes when the ensigns are looking out the window! 😅 Such a common-sensical move and in space no less! 😅
Makes me think of in Avengers where the guy says navigation is out and Fury is like, navigate with the sun mf!
It also felt very Shaw. The man may yet prove to be a legend - but also he may just be brilliantly competent. And it'll be refreshing to have a Captain who is brilliantly competent as opposed to a universe saving Paragon. They have tried to bring Star Trek into the 2020s. They seem to think they have to make everyone more flawed and less competent or vulnerable. And that's fine, but you can make people brilliant still (which is very Star Trek) but in different ways.
This has become my palate cleanser after every episode the last few weeks. Love the coverage.
“How long have you been away from the Great-Link” shot out of my seat with chills😱🤯
So excited to have the Founders back! Never saw that coming!
Jonathan Franks did such a good job of directing Jonathan Franks in this episode
Come a long way since “The Offspring” where the writers purposely gave him only one scene so he could focus on directing.
Yeah but Jonathan FRAKES did a good job directing himself too.
Riker's anger wasn't just at Vadic. It was already at Picard for basically rejecting Jack and missing an opportunity to connect when Riker lost his connection with Thad.
Agreed. Between that, Picard openly second-guessing Riker's every command, and using the loss of Thad against him after criticising Beverly for doing something similar, I felt Riker was more than justified in his anger at Picard.
Exactly! I see so many people interpreting this as some kind of evidence that one of them is a Changeling and I have say thats a ridiculous notion. That confrontation was not out of the blue nor was the depiction of these two men that have known each other for decades “different”. We are seeing 2 friends in a dangerous situation, one just saw his new son die and come back, setting off emotions he has never been forced to reckon with, the other is scared about the fate of the ship in his hands and is hurt/angry that Picard would be so irrational and out of line at this moment. The entire monologue about 17sec is alluding to that primal fear and worry that comes only when you realize you are a father for the first time.
And Riker has a wife and daughter that he would like to get back to.
@@MightyAttackTribble - 100% agree. I felt awful for Picard. And he has had a rough time since resigning from Starfleet. Everyone is always so angry with him or insulting him or calling him Jean-Luc or worse, JL. He is always making mistakes and is often uncertain (although to be fair he did save the universe in season one and timeline in two). And I think it is easy to let that influence your perception of that scene. But Riker totally lost it. And made a decision - against his better judgment - which 'killed the crew'. It was his decision and he needed to own it but Picard needled him, manipulated him in a way and used his position as a mentor to get his way. But Picard is his family - an older brother. He wouldn't have felt like that with any other Admiral. Their decision to have Riker as Captain and Picard as his Number One was a terrible decision and they both knew it - that's why Picard didn't really complain. He just left.
I do like that you gave a +1 for Shaw when he gave commander to Riker so quickly and stowed his ego at (sickbay's) door. That would have been my latinum +1 because that really made me see once and for all how rational and realistic Shaw is as a Captain. I was watching it with a buddy and right away said that is cool, that's a captain I can follow right there.
I love Shaw's imperfection. His use of bad language. Then his transfer of command comes with his same snarkiness. I really want more of him.
I mean, he's an asshole. But he seems to be an asshole with the right priorities.
Your comment about Ed Speleers' skin care routine cracked me up... Regarding uniform nerdery & timelines: Most people likely won't even notice. The ST timelines never made much sense, anyway. There also would likely be different types of uniforms and combinations of individual pieces, including ones not in line with official dress code. That sweater Riker was wearing could just be the undergarment that goes with a dress uniform or such.
Or it could be genetic: Everyone on my mom’s side of the family looks young. My maternal grandpa was 90 when he died but looked 65, my mom is 72 but looks 50, & I'm 44 but look 25.
I was literally shaking throughout this so many nods to the past, so much character interaction with such depth to the conversation.
Then worfs tea comment had me spilling my drink then the draw drop moment the great link omg I was having heart palpitations. This is the trek we love it's great to see the writers seem to have listened to the fans in how they put the scenes together. I watch the episode then hit straight onto trek culture.
Also calling it as the other missing item is professor Moriarty
Or Lore.
Changelings are involved, the only thing I can imagine them being interested in is freeing the female Changeling.
The portal weapon is the worm hole being weaponised. Sisko is absolutely coming back to fight the war that's coming. And we absolutely will have an Enterprise. Picard won't be dying without one more time on the bridge of one. This series is going full fan service and I'm all for it.
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I am 100% sure we are going to see the D in Geordi's Starfleet museum and we know we are getting the F from the trailers. But also not the E. As for Sisko - there is no emoji that can capture it. But I don't know. I thought Terry Matalas had ruled it out in an interview I heard. But I just can't remember - I've heard so many.
This
And remember in DS9 the Trills were starting to weaponize wormholes(well not weaponize wormholes but learning how to artificially open them). That was a nice follow up.
Looks more like an Iconian gate than a wormhole.
that 'same shot' montage was incredible, hats off to the editor!
Another great video and the editing is brilliant. It really demonstrates the love you have for Star Terk and the effort you put into these videos
"Remove yourself from the bridge. You've killed us all."
I think this is a tell. They spent much of the episode showing the relationship between Picard and Will. There's no world in which Will Riker - *that* Will Riker - says *that* to Picard, and definitely not on the Bridge, in front of the crew. And Frakes directed the episode and would be keenly aware of this.
So I see two options:
* The writers, having established that Changelings are part of this, want to instill doubt in the audience, making us all say "wait, is so-and-so a Changeling?"
* This Riker isn't Will. It's a Changeling.
Picard's insistence on having Riker directly confront a far superior ship made me think exactly the opposite, that Picard here was the Changeling.
It's Riker's own trauma of losing his son that is making him risk adverse with Picard's.
@@guiolivier1234It was fight or die. They had a perfect opportunity to attack and riker waited till it was too late.
Or it's Thomas :-D
I don’t think Changelings have anything to do with that confrontation. Both men are scared of the situation for different reasons. Picard who admits to not knowing how to parent or deal with his emotions regarding kids is thrust in a situation where his son just died and was gratefully brought back. He’s irrational and not used to taking orders from anyone, least of all Will. Riker for his part is immediately incensed at how irrational and out of line Jean-Luc is, particularly when this was effectively his old ship and temporary command. Hes hurt and angry at a time when this is the last thing he needs to deal with.
Also no matter the size of this group of Changelings theres no reason for there to be more than one onboard the Titan. This Changeling followed them from Ten Forward in the 1st episode to the Titans starbase launch. If all they needed was 1 Changeling to freak out Starfleet on Earth during the war they definitely don’t need more than one to take care of the Titan.
I thought Rikers new uniform was more of just a special jacket, like the one Picard wore in season 4 of TNG. Not a fleetwide new uniform, just something some captains wear if they feel like it.
Great episode. Season 3 is so much fun. Absolutely enjoying the battle with the Shrike and all of the cast is nailing it.
I love the "In the hall of the Mountain King" montage of reused footage. Chef's kiss! Brilliant! xD
You could power a warp core on Sean's love for these characters and I am here for it.
I love how Shaw gave Riker the captaincy so ANGRILY.
OH and also: "I think it's time you start calling me "Number One'....
But I agree with all the 'Downs' sadly...
Yes, the Number One line needed an up
The three stunt actors throwing themselves into the hallway wall was absolutely priceless and should have gotten an up.
Unfortunately they showed that it was a re-use of an old scene on the Stargazer.
And to get it perfect two times! Brilliant!
@@christinacody8653 I didn't realize that was re-used content :(
@@daylarfarshot523 it was still a really neat scene and appropriate to the moment here, so it works for me.
You and your team do a great job at these deconstructions and analysis. I'm a Trekkie and you all find so many things that I missed. I did better with this last Picard episode on noticing them. These videos are a ton of fun.
The complaint I have with this episode was the drama on the bridge. It's always been policy if you had an issue, You took it to a private location. Not in front of everyone else. Riker was right to be pissed at Picard, BUT...He made the decision to follow the suggestion. But Picard would not shut up about it. So Riker relented I guess. Really hope Terry continues after season 3. He really made me excited for Star Trek again!! I agree about Vaddick (If I spelled that right) she is great. She is like a cat playing with a mouse. Just playing with her prey until she is ready to strike.
"Remove yourself from the bridge" made sense. Picard pushed and pushed and pushed. Riker even told him to stand down rather harshly. The second half of that line, however, "You've killed us all", was unnecessary. I liked seeing Riker stand up to his mentor, the man, the legend, but to cut him so deeply...first half of the line: up. Second half of the line: down.
@@joshvaughter1088 I'm often wrong about these kinds of things, because I think very differently than the writers of these shows, but here's my guess:
Picard and Riker had a private conversation early in the episode. "How are they tracking us?" "Must be a spy on board" "Let's screw with them and make them think we're turning against each other."
It's what I'd assume and do in that situation.
@@joshvaughter1088 I am of the opinion that if it had been anyone other than Picard doing what Picard did they would have been thrown from the bridge far far sooner.
@@madzac1000000 Still does not explain the baby fit comment
This is an excellent point, the tension between Riker and Picard should have been happening in the ready room....did they not build a ready room set?? Haha
I'm loving Captain Shaw. Best new character in all 3 seasons of Picard....
Captain Shaw is one of the most memorable characters in the Paramount Plus era of TV Trek. I adore rolling my eyes at him.
I hope he survives and gets his own series.
Definitely some Hunt for Red October vibes going on with the "you've just killed us all" line (i.e. call out to Tupolev). Appropriate given the submarines hunting for each other vibes. Which apparently is what Nicholas Meyer was going for in TWOK with the Mutara Nebula battle.
When the Titan sails into the nebula at the start of the episode, there is some very James Horner “Wrath of Khan” sounding music 🎵 Gave me chills! Also, well done! I absolutely loved the “reused footage” mashup! 😂
My wife and I both noticed the Khan theme, that should have been a Cetacean observation.
On the subject of uniforms, Starfleet represents a naval tradition. Most navies have multiple uniforms, so it would actually be realistic for Riker to have different uniform options.
Yep. And wear different uniforms in different situations. We see Kirk do something akin to that in TOS at times, don't we?
I loved the opera Berlioz’ “Les Troyens” Worf is listening to as a nod to Picard's First Contact reference
and thankfully it wasn't Klingon opera! The one that the lady played in the bar for Worf in TNG was fingernails on glass..
I rewatched DS9 after Picard S3, and with that fresh in my mind I can now appreciate Picard S3 much more. This is the final blow of the Dominion War, the revenge of the founders.
OMG the comparison shots set to "In the Hall of the Mountain King" are effin BRILLIANT.
I believe this is the second time y'all have used this song to showcase Big Things Getting Blown Up and it's so **chef's kiss**
I have not watched this yet but I will say before watching it that Worf's callback to Odo is definitely my latinum up, and it better be yours. Lol. Since we can't get Rene Aubergenois anymore, it's the next best thing. Also love the merging of elements of TNG, VOY, and DS9, my 3 fav series.
I get that the show is named Picard and all, but the first time Picard tried to undermine Riker; all I could think was get that man off the bridge. I'm with Data on that.
Right! Riker is the Captain and Picard even called himself his "Number One". To paraphrase Data, "Once the captain has made a decision is it the first officer's job of carrying it out, regardless of how they may personally feel." Picard never even tried to help come up with a viable escape plan, he just kept pushing his idea at every turn even though it went against what he earlier said about protecting the lives of the crew.
@@thefinalfrontiersmen exactly!
Absolutely great UPS and DOWNS. Love your content, ty for sharing
The reused footage segment had me in tears I was laughing so hard. Just the fact that you found enough footage to cover dang near the entirety of the song. So brilliant lol.
So I'm not all grumpy, I loved so much of this episode. It cooks along and has GREAT one-liners. So fun!
The scene in which Riker sends Picard off the bridge: I think that build up to that was actually quite good. They have been in tension for some time this episode, especially of the topic of the attack. To me, it seems that Riker just short-circuited. Understandable after all that happened. They must also be sleep depressed, considering that LaForge was sent off before to get some sleep and then was back for that scene. There have probably a few hours in between, and it does not seem like Picard and Riker got any sleep....
Yeah, that seemed like a perfectly natural emotional reaction. Riker was angry because he knew he was right and shouldn't have listened to Picard's strategy.
I completely agree. I felt it was earned, and it will most certainly get resolved - probably just in time for Riker to say, "This is the end, my friend.
The re-used footage montage was fantastic. You guys rock :)
Great episode!
I especially liked Rafi's and Worf's humourous remarks. And the interaction between Dr Crusher and Picard.
I loved the Troi cameo! It really seemed like a Lower Decks style of appearance.
And the introduction of the True Way PLUS a nod to Odo?! I lost my shit at that!
Omg I forgot they are literally the true way
My only down from this episode is the overuse of the portal tech. I think it would've been more devastating to hold it off til the torpedoes at the end. But that's just me. Spectacular episode. Can't wait til next week.
Just the pain-staking montage of the re-used footage scenes separates this Trek channel from all others. Well, well done!
Bravo Editor 👏🏼 on that amazing In the Hall of the Mountain King montage - seed that out alone it’s absolutely fantastic
For the uniforms, We've seen different styles for different "Areas" of Starfleet before in Lower Decks. This could be the same thing. You could see Picard in the HQ/Services style uniform that we saw in season 1 that was being phased in 2385 while Exploration Wing was using the DS9ish update that Riker was wearing.
It would be a good security measure too. Especially in a society where they could quickly design a new uniform and replicate it on the spot. The everyone in the command would know if somone wasn't part of the crew.
I’ve seen people float this as a reason but I just don’t buy it. It’s apparent it’s because there has been no real continuity or consistency between all the showrunners since Discovery began. Disco alone has gone through 4/5 different uniforms, granted their 3rd season time jump is mostly to blame but across the franchise new Trek has had a huge uniform problem.
The subtitles for this episode stated that the helm control alien on the shrike was "Changling 1"
Notice, too, that the effect from Worf phasering the dying Changeling was the same as when Beverly shot the boarding party aliens in the premiere.
It‘s always a great pleasure to watch and listen to your reviews, they‘re just so entertaining and on point. 👍🏼 I‘d like to believe, that the argument between Riker and Picard and the whole sinking-Titan-thing must be a trick, because these two old friends will always go through things together. They don‘t know, how many saboteurs are on the ship so they secretly pretend to go down. They understand each other without speaking. And it works, because the enemy leaves the Titan to their fate and disappears. We will see.
I really enjoyed the "Re-Used Footage" montage. A --ahem -- stellar bit of editing genius there.
This season has sounded tempting to try and jump back into, but if The Sisko returns, I'm all the way onboard.
This is the best Star Trek I have seen since nineteen ninety something or other, but it feels completely modern but also exactly what we know and love. If you haven’t started watching season 3 you should it reminded me of everything I love about Star Trek and then some
You either watch or you don't. It's not for us to force you.
You have to make up your own mind, my friend. We all like and dislike different things. I did not enjoy seasons 1 and 2 at all, but I try to give all Trek a chance because not liking what came before doesn't mean I won't like what comes next. So far, I've been thoroughly enjoying season 3. It has it's flaws, as does ALL of Star Trek. But when faced with things I don't like, I ask myself if I'm being entertained more than I'm being distracted. If the answer is "yes" then I can overlook those weak points and merely focus on the good.
Thomas Dekker also played Henry Burleigh (one of Captain Janeway's holo-novel children she was teaching) in multiple episodes of Voyager.
Missed it, Grrr! thanks for the review, Shaun. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
How I wish they somehow could have explained Jack Crusher's birth occurring during Gates McFadden's absence from season 2 of TNG, but maybe coming up with a reason why she left him behind for years after returning to the Enterprise was too big a mountain for the Picard writers to climb.