Agreed. Every voice, every head movement I knew before he spoke, which character was about to speak. Brent Spiner has been under-rated most of his career. Good to see he still has it.
@@RonHarrisMe any actor that can play character thats not anything like them self and change on the fly too, none no of this method acting just being the same character and changing mid senses
I find myself liking Shaw more and more with each episode. Even in the beginning I didn't dislike him, but he's possibly my favorite character in all of Trek, including the main casts. Trek has always compartmentalized the characters, they have humanity and personality until they have to be the hero, then they switch gears into officer mode. Shaw plays both roles at the same time, and I dig it.
I wondered if it was Lore pretending to be Data like he’s done in the past, until the Lore personality actually popped up and then I was like “Oh, that was actually Data.”
Ditto. The scene with Brent's amazing acting coupled with what sounded like music from either First Contact or Nemesis just helped pull on the heartstrings even more.
Missed a big Up. When Geordi says to Picard about breaking treaties and Picard responds, “well, I guess they can put it on my tab.” Come on, that’s like the most badass moment ever.
As soon as Fleet Museum was mentioned, I knew we were going to see Voyager. I was not disappointed. I watched as Seven pressed the buttons, bringing each ship up, anticipating Voyager's reveal and her talk to Jack about it. Love it! That was my favourite moment, but my other two included Data saying 'Geordi' - gave me goosebumps - and shaw fanboying over Geordi.
100% I think it’s the Enterprise-D in the hangar. The extended cannon already covered off that the saucer section was recovered. Geordie would’ve been able to find a drive section, maybe even from the Dominion War days, and my theory is the season ends with them all in Picard’s ready room and they’re re-hanging the painting in the ready room. Then Picard takes the Conn and pilot’s the ship to the spare docking ring where the Titan hid 😍
I gotta admit, when Voyager showed up I cried. It is my favorite show and I couldn't hold it back. Seeing Seven introduce it made it all the more special.
Yeah, that was nice, but I still think Voyager engine nacelles were way too small for a ship that size. It didn't look correct 25 years ago, and doesn't look correct now.
Can I just say, since you kinda glossed over it: How amazing a performance did Brent Spiner give in that moment when he's flashing between his various personalities (19:07)? That deserved an "up" in my opinion. It's not an easy task yet Brent made it look effortless. We clearly saw each individual character literally flash one by one across his face.
With the number of times they've mentioned Janeway, and now seeing the actual Voyager and Seven talking about finding her family there, I'm almost counting on a Kate Mulgrew cameo before the end of the season.
Cannot believe how sentimental I got seeing all the old ships at the museum along with the snipers of the different themes. This season of the show has been the best so far. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
A lovely moment you didn't mention was Alton Soong's final log entry: "My intention was to live beyond my days, to become my own legacy. Now I realise that wasn't just poor humanity, it was poor science. Evolution is not an act of preservation, it's addition." The most unapologetically nostalgic series of Trek reminding us innovation and addition isn't just good science, it's good humanity. I'd only just stopped crying after the Seven/Voyager scene
Levar Burton was over the top at the inclusion of his daughters in the show. He was so proud and I recognize a depth of acting that was above “the norm”. It’s a family ensemble that tugs at my heartstrings…wonderful wonderful acting…just over the top, in a muted sort of way.
The scene of USS Voyager back on our screens, incredible, I've missed her. I'm fairly certain, the smile on Seven's face, wasn't just Seven's, it was Jeri Ryan's. An emotional scene for both the character and the actor. A reunion on so many levels.
Few actors ever get the chance to work on a series for a number of years. Seven was there for four years (Seasons 4-7) and it is a 12 hour (at least) per day job, week after week. So the cast indeed becomes a family, not just their characters.
@@BillinHungary ..and even fewer actors get the chance to revisit their previous characters two decades later. While this was a nice moment, I really feel they're setting up a reunion with Janeway with how they've been name dropping her and doing these Voyager cues. Now that would be emotionally amazing for the actor and character !
I feel kind of torn about this, though. It's some of Jeri Ryan's best acting. Except maybe she wasn't acting (if the ship was on the screen and not just blue-screened). I wonder how Shaw would have taken it if she had gone over for a nap in her old alcove. *snicker*
@@alvincura at the very least, the Okudagram she was tapping at wasn’t blue-screened, so she would have seen a thumbnail silhouette of an Intrepid-class.
@@alvincura In a recent Picard S3 interview of the TNG cast they say its all about the human relationship of the cast/crew not at all the space ships that tie them together. Levar even admitted he'd never watched TNG until recently. Jeri Ryan is an actor, I think its very fan boyish to think she actually got emotional staring at a 3D rendering of USS Voyager (if it even was there). Now if they pull off a cameo/reunion with Janeway or other cast members that would be a whole different situation.
That’s true, but in the TNG era book, Crossover, which is effectively a sequal to Relics, Scotty “borrows” the TOS era Constitution class USS Yorktown (NCC-1717) from the fleet museum….
Cool with that esp. since I started watching Star Trek TOS re-runs around 1975 - in New Jersey. Lol. Only thing about this scene... I don't ever remember the NJ-1975 being "a thing" - how on earth could anyone glancing at a small image on a projected screen come to Jack's conclusion?! The ship looked like a run-of-the-mill TOS Connie from a distance.
@@alexandergroppe448 Jack comments that he has been fascinated by and knows his starships - he simply knew which Constitution I was in the Fleet Museum. Same way he knew which Constitution II he was looking at.
Yes! Exactly right. Such a shame that the first two seasons were spent doing nothing and going nowhere. This is what the fans have wanted all along. We need more!
AMEN! I could have done away with that stupid season 1 and that silly girl or season 2 with all that dreaming and flashbacks. All these extra characters like Raffi and Gladys (or whoever the new Borg queen is} are annoying.
As someone who was made a Trekkie by ENT, seeing that refit NX-01 was probably a bigger treat than any other easter egg in this episode. How fantastic to see it canonized! Now to put a reunion show together...
It made perfect sense to me when Vadic killed her subordinate that was disagreeing with her. She’d never treat a fellow Changeling like that, but it’s exactly how a Changeling would treat a Jem’Hadar
Remember that Vadic only spoke with ?The Great Link? in an empty room, so her crew isn't to be trusted with the truth of the mission. And ?The Great Link? did already tell her that everything else is expendable, even Vadic (Now confirmed 100% a Changeling). This is a new hivemind, not like the old one, much less pride to take advantage of. They are willing to sacrifice their own kind for victory... much more deadly than they once were.
@@jackkenefick2696 I'm not saying they were actually Jem'Hadar, they don't look like them even with the helmets. My point was more that it's exactly how the Founders treat their subordinate solids
Shaw really is hilarious. The fact that we get a callback to his initial taskmaster, "everything to the book" portrayal with Geordi complimenting how the ship is holding up despite everything he said is a testament to maintenance. Which makes Liam positively fanboy out. I just.. yeah. It was perfect. He's gone through so many different stages in the show and they're so entertaining. Liam Shaw is the gift that keeps on giving.
TBH, I loved that the one time Shaw isn't a total d-bag Commodore LaForge looks at him like he's out of his mind, and just doesn't have time for this...
Which is also a callback because Geordi was only slightly less excited than Wesley to be on the Enterprise and he nerded out on everyone as well. So sweet.
I was really shocked to see Shaw fanboy out with Geordi. That was amazing to see him have some serious administration and awe of one of the Enterprise crew. So cool
Can we give a bit more credit to how amazing Jeri Ryan was when reminiscing about the Voyager, please? The image of the Voyager on screen and her acting here managed to rewind all of Voyager through my head in a split second and I had goosebumps. This season overall manages to remind me how good these actors actually are in these roles. That said, I have one major down related to that and it's the "I'm Lore, I'm B4, I'm Soong" bit. Brent Spiner always could show how good he was, conveying different roles pefectly although they're in the same scene and look exactly the same. We never had a problem knowing if we're looking at Lore or Data, this was unnecessary and kind of clunky, at least this should have spelled out by another person than him. Shaw meeting Geordi on the other hand, so good. He has his priorities straight in his hero worship. No respect for Picard or Riker but please give me an autograph Mr. La Forge. :D
The fleet museum had me a little choked up. I am an aeronautics student who loves history, all too often during my studies I hear about remarkable designs that never made it into preservation, I personally believe that at least one example of every mass produced machine, no matter how successful, should be preserved simply to preserve their heritage, however, reality makes that impossible. The fleet museum, much like our real world museums shows that the show runners care about their fictional history, and preserving that history for future generations. It's genuinely heartwarming.
Shaw having only ONE Enterprise crewman he likes and it being Geordi to a near fanboyish level? Thats my personal Latinum Up! And 7 and Picards look to each other seeing how differently he treats him compared to them? Also so fantastic
I agree. I remember pausing the episode to say (to myself) he paid RIker. Picard, Crusher and Worf no mind but fanboyed out at the sight of Geordi. I loved that. I hope those two get more scenes as the show goes on.
One of my Up's, which wasn't mentioned, is the scene between Sydney and Geordie, where Sydney tells her Father that the reason why she crashed her Speeder so often was because she loved the time that she spent with her Father fixing it.
In addition to the Riker/Data connection from the TNG pilot episode, I thought it was cool that it was Riker, our canon musician, who was able to put those random music notes together to recognize that tune and give the correct response.
As a musician, I take a bit of exception that he was calling out Db and then C#. The fact that he can identify the exact pitches would already be impressive. Only people with perfect pitch or extremely good relative pitch can do that quickly and accurately. But in this case Db and C# are the same note but in different keys. Some very sloppy music theory in the script writing. I'd need to rewatch the scene and check if he was even calling out accurate pitches to what we were hearing.
This episode is a gift. Brilliant performances with perfect fanservice that ties into themes of evolution and legacy, servicing the thematic narrative of the season.
Missed one. When Worf talks about practicing deceit, it’s a nod to Garak in the episode In Purgatory’s Shadow where Garak is winding up Worf over applying to star fleet.
Well, he wasn't bad. Being around Garak must have paid off when he had to work incognito. Garak was such a brilliant character. He was at his finest In the Pale Moonlight working with Sisko. It's one of my favorites.
It was really well done. Especially Ed's performance. I was diagnosed with a neurological condition couple of years ago and despite my prognosis being better than Jack's (for now at least), I went through a long period of thinking I was broken. I hope you are doing well.
You forgot to mention when Geordi says he can't help Jean-Luc, his daughter, Alandra mentions Hangar Bay 12 and Geordi immediately shushs her. What is in Hangar Bay 12?! Has Geordi been casually repairing the Enterprise-D? Terry Matalas has mentioned that we will be revisiting the Enterprise-D at some point during the season.
That thought actually cross my mind as well. I figure that they have brought back so many legacy ships that the enterprise d was going to show up. They probably dismantled the saucer section from Veridian 3 and rebuilt it.
I don't know why but this last season, in addition to bringing closure to TNG, is bringing closure to part of my childhood/adolescence. Kudos to the writers
The spaceship montage with Seven and Jack had me legit sobbing. The Voyager scene was obviously the crescendo (imagine if you'd told Trekkies 10 years ago that seeing Voyager again would hit harder than seeing the 1701-A AND Defiant again), but the whole thing was beautiful as were the theme samples (Yes, there's a section of the DS9 theme playing during the Defiant look although it's the most subtle of the three) considering this was just MINUTES after SURPRISE TRIBBLE JUMPSCARE. What a rollercoaster.
It's such a good feeling to see all those hero ships still intact. It's like "They're still around. People are taking good care of them. It'll be ok." ;_;
“Oh wow. Well this one is my personal favorite. Kirk’s enterprise. All those perfectly clean retro lines. Yep. I’m definitely a constitution class man.” When your voice comes out of a characters mouth! I teared up too man!
The Voyager moment was my favourite of the episode. Voyager is my favourite Trek and Jeri Ryan really made me tear up as she talked about her family. I know it's a long shot but I still hope to see Admiral Janeway in the show before the end.
Maybe we will get to see Admiral Janeway. Maybe in some video presentation for Frontier Day. Picard mentioning her with Chancellor Roll made is sound like Janeway is Starfleet's CinC.
I think I would like to see Seven and Janeway interact in such a way as to protray that their actors have reconciled in real life. Politics seemed to have gotten between them. Fortunately, while it didn't prevent them from making good Trek, there is a bit of a sour taste from it. It's kinda like knowing the story behind the "Rumours" album. Or does it make the art created even better?! ... Maybe both?
Even if we don’t get to see Admiral Janeway in Picard, at least she’s starring in Star Trek: Prodigy, which is far better than it has any right to be (just go into it understanding that there is massive character growth and they had to start somewhere).
You mentioned Battlestar Galactica! All I could think of after them mentioning the fact that the fleet was all interconnected was the fact that here were a bunch of ships that were old, and NOT connected, like the Galactica was. I really hoped they’d be taking one of them out for a spin.
22:03 Didn't pay attention to it before when i saw the scene but when you mentioned that the picture of Riker was the promo shot from Star Trek Nemesis, it suddenly occurred to me that of all the possible pictures that could have been pulled up from his starfleet records, this one was probably pulled because it was the last time Data saw Riker.
Not to mention that other than the Captain, he's the last one of them to see him and the last time he saw him Data was jumping away from the Enterprise E after he (Geordi) set up the force fields down the hallway to assist him getting to the Scimitar.
I think one thing that was nicely pointed out by Riker, was that the Moriarty hologram was not the "self-aware" one that they had met previously. While I was disappointed that this is all we got from Moriarty, I am happy in the sense that somewhere there is still a cube floating around with him and the Countess flying around in a shuttlecraft...
They handled this really well. When the AI defence system was mentioned I figured it was going to be Moriarty, thanks to Daniel Davis being in the S3 trailers, but I wasn't overjoyed at the idea that someone had pulled him from his data core (still being looked after by Reg Barclay AFAIK) and repurposed him as a security program. On the one hand he would be *really* pissed off, which would have been a joy to watch, but on the other hand I don't think anything should disrupt his and the Countess' happy ending. Combining some of his character traits with the various aspects of Data/Lore/B4/Soong was a very smart move, one that also gave Brent Spiner a moment to shine with the sort of moment-to-moment character changes we've not seen since _Masks._ _Picard_ S3 is turning out to be _Star Trek's_ answer to _Rogue One;_ fan service that honours the legacy while also offering something new and contemporary. Not only is it shaping up to be the proper send-off that the _TNG_ crew never got to enjoy in the movies, it's a beautiful love letter to nearly 60 years of _Star Trek._ With such a strong start over the first couple of episodes I did worry that the writers might drop the ball at the eleventh hour, but to be honest I don't even care about that as much now. The journey is turning out to be so much fun that a bad ending would have to be *really* botched to ruin it.
Defiant is my ship, but I started tearing up when Seven showed Jack Voyager with that theme playing. Probably the first series I really watched regularly (as reruns) with my favourite theme that was probably what fully unlocked my trekkie self. DS9 is still my top as it's the first one I watched front to back.
1. This "New" Data screamed 'Coldstone' from Gargoyles, especially with Worf right there. 2. It is my head cannon now that Captain Montgomery "Scotty" Scott was the curator of this museum before Geordi. He was the original Relic after all.
can i just say how incredibly happy my heart was watching jack and seven on the bridge BEFORE looking at the voyager "off" without being super serious is classic 7. Jeri Ryan's smile was just so sweet! you can tell she's so happy to be back on star trek. My heart was bursting seeing how she looks at jack. She truly trusts him and respects what he's doing. "you know a lot about ships for not giving a damn about starfleet" it was just so pure! we are so blessed to have annika back.
This has been an incredible season. Clearly Terry Matalas is such a hero! Every week I keep saying this is my favorite episode and they did it again. Also loved Geordi telling Jack like a father "stay away from my daughter" :) So many great moments. Hopefully the powers that be, have seen the light and somehow, we get more Trek like this.
I'm overjoyed at just how incredible this season is continuing to be, on ALL fronts. I have not one criticism so far. This episode in particular was akin to Christmas morning as a kid. What a precious time to be a Star Trek fan.
And Sydney instantly serving "DAD, YOU'RE EMBARRASSING ME IN FRONT OF MY FRIEND AND BEING A TOTAL FREAK!" realness. A clear breech of Starfleet standards of conduct towards a superior officer, but delightful all the same. :)
I cried and got super excited and nostalgic for a whole lot of things this episode, but when Sean pointed out nx-01 I gained a respect for the writers that I didn’t think I could for anyone, that’s incredible.
My favorite part is when Picard says we are warping in cloaked and Riker says how are they going to that and Worf says I presume superior Klingon technology that made me laugh
I actually agree. I hated the first season and the second season didn't do much for me either, but just like most Trek series, it found good footing and now I'm kinda bummed that it's going to end. Trek shows always seem to start rough but turn to gold after a couple seasons and I regret not expecting Picard to do the same.
Hearing that voyager theme and listening to seven talk about her crew made me well up. She’s come so far and Jeri Ryan acted the hell outta that scene!
Hi everyone. Just a note. It wasnt Archers body. I paused and checked. It was an Arretan android body from TOS season 2 episode called Return to tomorrow.
Hi Sean I noticed a great call back to season 6 of tng that I noticed only today because I'm rewatching it. But when we saw the uss New Jersey in the fleet museum it was a direct reference to the conversation that Captain picard had with Mr Scott on the holodeck bridge of the Constitution class uss enterprise where picard mentioned to Mr Scott that there was a Constitution class in the fleet museum. So I felt like that deserves an up just because of a nod to a great scene between picard and scotty.
Just that one shot of the NX... it made me so incredibly happy. It made my day. It made my week. I am so incredibly happy that Enterprise is at least thought of back at CBS studios.
Sean... I refer you to your previous comments about Ro. If we don't see a body, she isn't dead. Her transmission cut off a few seconds before her shuttle exploded into the Intrepid's nacelle, so maybe she was able to beam aboard the Intrepid at the last second and is hiding out till she can get away. And I know there was a transport inhibitor, but Seven said they'd probably be able to beam her over to the Titan if she got closer, so that'd probably be the case if she was close enough to the Intrepid. Anyway this gives me enough wiggle room to believe she could live to fight another day. 🖖🏻
my EXACT thought! I was like well all we saw was the ship explode, and if Seven said they could transport her from the ship if they got close..... she was as close as you get to the intrepid as you can get xD I really really hope that a few episodes away we get a surprise here is Ro moment.
Don't know if any of the other 2646 comments tals about it, but I guess the crow/Moriaty/whistling scene was just Data making sure that Riker is not a changeling. He gave him a hint, and he had him reakting in a way only the original Riker would. Data was fully aware of the situation and wanted to know if he can trust Riker.
One call back you missed, when Data is first activated he sees Geordi and Picard and says, "Geordi?' ....."Captain?". This is a call back to, Star Trek Insurrection, as this is the same thing(s) he says after being activated in engineering aboard the Enterprise E after being damaged by the Sona. He even say it in the exact same way.
@@GopherBaroque61 I think someone flubbed a line, or I misremember, because I could've sworn Worf said "11 years 5 months 4 days" instead of Spcok's "11 years 4 months 5 days" but yeah, I caught what that was SUPPOSED to be referencing.
I am... ABSOLUTELY enjoying this season. I DID enjoy every season so far, I think so far this is a fantastic season. Even the quote that Jack shoots at 7. "We ALL long for connection. We're all just a little bit alone aren't we? Stars in the same galaxy but lightyears between us." Just how strong that quote was brought me to tears.
So many complained about the first two seasons, and so many now are saying the third season is so much better, but as this season plays out, it is evident that the first two seasons had to happen as they did. And would also point out that the show is named Star Trek PICARD and this series has not disappointed this 63 year old trekkie.
I definitely teared up when Voyager came on the screen and 7 talking about the crew as her family. I love all of Star Trek but have fond memories of watching Voyager growing up as it was the current show in production when I was a kid. Loved this episode.
It might just be me but Data's repeating of "Jean Luc Picard" to tell them what was taken kinda reminded me of when Picard said "Sleep" to tell Data to make the Borg regenerate during Best of Both Worlds to beat them
So far this was my favorite Picard episode. NO spoilers, but it just felt so well written and preformed that I feel the episode as a whole should get and UP. Live long and prosper. also you missed something: the TNG episode Relics we have Picard tell Scotty there's a Constitution Class at the fleet museum...nice consistency to see it.
The scene where Seven shares her emotions regarding finding family among the Voyager crew was awesome. I was surprised and delighted about the Soong android being a combined personality--such possibilities. I think the appearance of Deanna Troi on Vadic's ship is false--that person is a Changeling.
I love how Riker looks up when the phaser is at his head. Like, dude, if you're going to kill me Im gonna look you right in the eye while you do it. Riker is badass in this season!
Loved Worf and the attack tribble!!!! What a great season, loved the scene at the museum between Jack and Seven. So exited to see all the ships on display. Such a cool episode, I really loved seeing Voyager again
It struck me as funny that we are so old now as Star Trek fans that literally walking us through a museum of starships is the heartwarming part of the story lol I actually loved the episode tho! And I’m loving this season so much!!!
The "Genesis II" device is a pretty funny gag considering Genesis II was an early-'70s TV movie created by Gene Roddenberry that failed to get picked up as a series. I'll never forget it because it was the show where Mariette Hartley had two belly buttons.
A comment on the last down though: Yes, you can beam with the cloak activated, but maybe that's because they used a klingon transporter that was specially designed to allow this? It makes sense for the Klingons to modify their transporters in that way.
DUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDEEEEEE! For me, the Latinum Up is using the Bounty's cloaking device for the Titan. Yes, having all those historical ships there was great (thanks for finding the NX-01), but having that cloaking device installed is like having the OG crew there in spirit. Such an excellent tie-in to The Voyage Home.
I have a strong feeling that this season will conclude with Picard giving up his golem body to Jack, to save him from his condition. Jean-Luc is in his 90s and his son is barely in his 20s so it more than makes sense to be a great point to conclude his story, sacrificing himself for his son. Patrick Stewart is ready to say goodbye to Picard and the audience is there to see these new characters like Shaw, Jack and Sydney to take forward. This is possibly my favourite episode of the season and the best Trek in years. SO many easter eggs.
@@jackkenefick2696 Well, there is this Federation wide conspiracy they kind of need to take care of first. While I'm sure Picard would be eager enough to give Jack a chance to live without the disease, he'd want to ensure that he has a safe(ish) galaxy to live in. Save billions of lives, then save the one that matters the most. There'd be no point handing over the body if he thought Jack wouldn't live long enough to enjoy it.
I'm thinking he might want to do it - but having the knowledge of HOW to do it is something else again. This could be where the new Data-esque golem comes into play - since I believe one of his personalities is also a Soong.
@@twisterjester it sounds like A.I. Soong didn’t build *himself* another gollum body, but he downloaded at least some of himself into it. Presumably at least his knowledge of cybernetics and how he built the gollums and how to finish this one, so that information wouldn’t be lost.
Except there's a possibility that would actually shorten Jack's life. Remember Picard's "golem" has a built in kill-switch -- he, JEAN-LUC, would live out a normal human life. Jack, OTOH, could live decades with Irumodic Syndrome before the symptoms became debilitating. Just like his father. IDK, it would seem a more 'Star Trek' ending if Jack just decided that no matter how long his life he's going to live it to the full - not burdened down with resentments and fears, a past he can't change, or the sins of his parents. He will find a place to stand, a chosen family to love and be loved by. And a whole wide galaxy to roam in...
Seriously, the 8th up, I'm already welling up again, damn this episode hit this 90s trekkie hard!!! I can't list everything here that's gotten me, the ships, the themes, the whistle, the moment from Seven about being "reborn" on Voyager & it being her home and family, that was a proper tearjerker because I grew up watching shiny & new Voyager (was 10 when it first aired, it too felt like "home" sometimes), and the activation of Data, or at least the "Soong Golum", well, 'scuse me while I go blub for a bit, damned 'memberberries have hit me again... :P
I am glad Ro had a better send-off than Icheb and Hugh. I am digging Amanda Plummer as Vaddik but when she spins in that chair I am reminded of Frau Farbissina and I am expecting her to yell "Scott!!!!!!!!"
It was mentioned that Excelsior is at the fleet museum, so that's probably what that ship is. The cloak might not be playing nice with the Titan's systems, so they need to decloak to beam, and *did* they break the Treaty of Algeron if there's no more Romulan Star Empire to have a treaty with?
I had the same thought, but then looked it up in Memory Alpha: the treaty is being maintained by the Romulan Free State... so yeah, it's still a thing.
A few things I picked up on was in Daystrum with Kirk next to the Genesis device? Looks like the device got turned on either during the fight with Moriarty or when they arrived. Of course, remember the tagline of the Genesis project "Life from lifelessness" Wil Wheaton said on the Ready Room this week said "You won't believe who will be on next week's episode" So I think it's either Scott Bakula or Willam Shatner!
I actually went back and pulled up the scene where Khan is activating the GD and compared it to Riker looking at the G2D and yeah, It actually looks like its in the early stages of being activated. Or does it just have pretty neon light display while being in an unarmed state?
Regarding the entire fleet being present at Frontier Day, my immediate understanding of that was that that must be part of the conspiracy, that that must have been an idea from changelings who had infiltrated Starfleet. So that being a dumb idea is kinda the point.
I just think on its face its technically infeasible. The entire federation starfleet going to one system.... Have you any idea how many hundreds of thousands of starships there would realistically be in a 150+member world federation of planets? Now you wanna put all that in one system??? To say nothing of Starfleet priorities and tasks goingon throughout the federation?
@@TheMsLourdes Space is very empty, there's plenty of room. ;) But more seriously, there probably aren't as many ships in Starfleet as you'd think. Think about it today, how many aircraft carriers do you think the US has? 11. There are only around 47 total in the entire world currently. If I didn't already know that, I'd have guessed there are must be at least 47 in the US military. But I agree with you on the infeasibility of it with other things going on, like medical emergencies, etc. But how else will the Changelings get their computer virus to infect every ship in starfleet all at once to get them to self destruct (or whatever they want it to do) in one fell swoop? :)
@@TheMsLourdes I was going to make this point as well. Even if there are only a few dozen capital (cruisers) ships, and a few hundred support (destroyers, frigates, science vessels) ships (assuming 1 ship per colonized world, which is probably a very low estimate. The Fed pulled 40 ships together during Wolf 359 during relative peace-time and the fleets just got bigger during DS9 era, the 7th fleet had 112 ships and I think there was a battle where Jadzia says 200 ships were damaged or lost.) that's a LOT of ships to call back from missions just for pomp and circumstance. It doesn't seem realistic at all. Hell, how often do we hear "We're the only ship in range." during a major event taking place near Earth, but now every ship will be called in for a parade?
Kirk's body description says something about Phoenix Project too, guess Lazarus why taken by Shepard already. Also, that moment when Vadic transforms back and the 'Mm'.. For the moment I just tought it's going to be Odo.
There was an explanation as to why Kirk was able to beam in/out of The Bounty while cloaked... As most could probably figure out, Klingon Birds of Prey have to decloak in order to fire weapons or beam personnel in or out due to the energy drain on the ship while in travel or in space. In the novel based on the movie, ( I have it somewhere in my parents home) it was explained that since the ship was "parked" in a field, most of the systems, including life support, were not in use, or even activated, so there was sufficient reserve power to use transports while cloaked. Hope this helps.
The OG constitution class looks BEAUTIFUL. I hope we can finally get away from the Contitution class aparently not looking "modern" enough for HD Star Trek. The SNW Enterprise is also good looking, but the New Jersey here looks remarkable. So simple and elegant. It still looks futuristic today. I really hope we get a SNW retcon so that the Enterprise will eventually just look like the TOS Enterprise. Btw, seeing Voyager again in HD really hit me. I have such a deep love for Voyager and her crew. I actually had to pause because I was overwhelmed, I was still trying to get over seeing the Defiant, New Jersey and Enterprise-A. God, I love this season. So so much.
You don't need a retcon -_-. Honestly stop with the rotcon or similar. The SNW Enterprise looks fine. If she reverts to the one from TOS its due to a refit and downgrades to allow her to travel long range outside federation space as by that point she's replaceable.
I have to confess I haven't seen all of Enterprise so I'm not sure about Archer, but if you think about everything that happened to Picard's original body (the Borg, being turned into a kid, living an entire lifetime as someone else) and Kirk's body (sent to Mirror Universe, swapped essences with Janice Lester, split into two via transporter malfunction, existing out of phase with our reality), I can see why a scientific black site would want their remains for study. Also, Seven and Shaw had my favorite moments this week. If they're not already scrambling for a Titan series, I don't know how anything is being done over there.
I always pined for a Riker's Titan series. Not as much as I wanted Peter David's New Frontier books to be made into a series. but I'll accept one with Shaw as a consolation.
This channel is beginning to infect my waking mind. As I was watching the episode and enjoying seeing everything, a thought popped into my head, "The people at TrekCulture are going to go nuts over this one." I would, indeed, have loved to have been able to see them all react to the episode. While late in the series for such a thing, maybe that is something they can start with what is left. Let's all share and enjoy and nostalgic delights we've been experiencing.
My current guess is that the changelings are after the residual nanoprobes that were in Picard's original, human body. They want them to in some way infect/take over the entire (now networked) fleet of ships on Founder's day and either destroy them or force them to attack earth. HOWEVER, after stealing Picard's body, they learned that the nanoprobes in question had already ~left~ his body and moved on to Jack when he was conceived. Which is why the changelings are now so desperate to get a hold of Jack (alive) before Founder's Day.
Oh yes - I "geeked out" when they referenced each of those ships! When they showed the "Bounty" and said they originally couldn't find her - Cloaking device popped into my mind! So great a show this was - so great a season this is!
Spiner playing Data, Lore, B4, and Soong in a few seconds, that was an amazing piece of acting
Agreed. Every voice, every head movement I knew before he spoke, which character was about to speak. Brent Spiner has been under-rated most of his career. Good to see he still has it.
Facts
That should have been the Latinum Up, I'll die on this hill.
My blood ran cold when he said “I am Lore”
@@RonHarrisMe any actor that can play character thats not anything like them self and change on the fly too, none no of this method acting just being the same character and changing mid senses
The delivery of "Yeah its been a weird week" was my favorite moment in the episode.
Hashing Captain Shaw spinoff!!
@@aaronring4704 Seconded! Shaw and the Titan-A needs their own series.
I'm really impressed with Shaw. They started off making him so unlikable and now he's one of my favourite characters.
I find myself liking Shaw more and more with each episode. Even in the beginning I didn't dislike him, but he's possibly my favorite character in all of Trek, including the main casts. Trek has always compartmentalized the characters, they have humanity and personality until they have to be the hero, then they switch gears into officer mode. Shaw plays both roles at the same time, and I dig it.
Both my favorite moments were straight from Shaw. Him geeking out with Geordie.
And the fact that Data referred to Picard as 'Captain', hints at the memory transfer at Nemesis was what's loaded ... precious. I teared
I wondered if it was Lore pretending to be Data like he’s done in the past, until the Lore personality actually popped up and then I was like “Oh, that was actually Data.”
Ditto. The scene with Brent's amazing acting coupled with what sounded like music from either First Contact or Nemesis just helped pull on the heartstrings even more.
Missed a big Up. When Geordi says to Picard about breaking treaties and Picard responds, “well, I guess they can put it on my tab.” Come on, that’s like the most badass moment ever.
As soon as Fleet Museum was mentioned, I knew we were going to see Voyager. I was not disappointed. I watched as Seven pressed the buttons, bringing each ship up, anticipating Voyager's reveal and her talk to Jack about it. Love it! That was my favourite moment, but my other two included Data saying 'Geordi' - gave me goosebumps - and shaw fanboying over Geordi.
I honestly cant pick between Geordi seeing Data or Data seeing Geordi. So special.
I am wondering is it the Enterprise D or E in the hanger that Geordi daughter was hitting at ....i think soon they be using it as it's not networked
@@timpson1701 It must be the E as D was destroyed on Veridian III (ST Generations movie).
“Captain? Geordie?” 😭🥺😍😭
100% I think it’s the Enterprise-D in the hangar. The extended cannon already covered off that the saucer section was recovered. Geordie would’ve been able to find a drive section, maybe even from the Dominion War days, and my theory is the season ends with them all in Picard’s ready room and they’re re-hanging the painting in the ready room. Then Picard takes the Conn and pilot’s the ship to the spare docking ring where the Titan hid 😍
I gotta admit, when Voyager showed up I cried. It is my favorite show and I couldn't hold it back. Seeing Seven introduce it made it all the more special.
It is the most unique looking ship out of all of them like a sleek space squid.
I wish the could have shown it longer on screen for more then one angle.
Yeah, that was nice, but I still think Voyager engine nacelles were way too small for a ship that size. It didn't look correct 25 years ago, and doesn't look correct now.
Same. The combination of seeing Voyager and Seven’s reaction (Jeri Ryan killed it) made me cry
100%! Was so awesome. Gave me tingles
Can I just say, since you kinda glossed over it: How amazing a performance did Brent Spiner give in that moment when he's flashing between his various personalities (19:07)? That deserved an "up" in my opinion. It's not an easy task yet Brent made it look effortless. We clearly saw each individual character literally flash one by one across his face.
Completely agreed!
The words he said seemed too on the nose, but the acting was soo good it made up for it!
He is such a badass actor, I’d expect no less.
give him an emmy...how do you play the same character in such different ways. Gives such personality in moments
I have no doubt Brent was chompin' at the bit to play these parts all at once... He's a man who genuinely enjoys acting.
With the number of times they've mentioned Janeway, and now seeing the actual Voyager and Seven talking about finding her family there, I'm almost counting on a Kate Mulgrew cameo before the end of the season.
Agreed, they almost have to at this point!
With the drop of the mobile emitter too how great would it be to see The Doctor make an appearance
I was so hoping they'd steal Voyager and The Doctor would make an appearance.
I could totally see her appearing in some capacity during Frontier Day. That would be amazing! Here's hoping! 🤞🏻
On frontier day most likely
Cannot believe how sentimental I got seeing all the old ships at the museum along with the snipers of the different themes. This season of the show has been the best so far. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
I cried lol
A lovely moment you didn't mention was Alton Soong's final log entry: "My intention was to live beyond my days, to become my own legacy. Now I realise that wasn't just poor humanity, it was poor science. Evolution is not an act of preservation, it's addition."
The most unapologetically nostalgic series of Trek reminding us innovation and addition isn't just good science, it's good humanity. I'd only just stopped crying after the Seven/Voyager scene
One of my favorite moments was Geordi telling Jack to stay away from his daughter. Laughed out loud!
No white boys for my daughter. 😡
Levar Burton was over the top at the inclusion of his daughters in the show. He was so proud and I recognize a depth of acting that was above “the norm”. It’s a family ensemble that tugs at my heartstrings…wonderful wonderful acting…just over the top, in a muted sort of way.
Jack's after 7
@@jackkenefick2696 I would be...But Jack seems to want Sydney.
@@mattblom3990 why not both?
The scene of USS Voyager back on our screens, incredible, I've missed her.
I'm fairly certain, the smile on Seven's face, wasn't just Seven's, it was Jeri Ryan's. An emotional scene for both the character and the actor. A reunion on so many levels.
Few actors ever get the chance to work on a series for a number of years. Seven was there for four years (Seasons 4-7) and it is a 12 hour (at least) per day job, week after week. So the cast indeed becomes a family, not just their characters.
@@BillinHungary ..and even fewer actors get the chance to revisit their previous characters two decades later. While this was a nice moment, I really feel they're setting up a reunion with Janeway with how they've been name dropping her and doing these Voyager cues. Now that would be emotionally amazing for the actor and character !
I feel kind of torn about this, though. It's some of Jeri Ryan's best acting. Except maybe she wasn't acting (if the ship was on the screen and not just blue-screened). I wonder how Shaw would have taken it if she had gone over for a nap in her old alcove. *snicker*
@@alvincura at the very least, the Okudagram she was tapping at wasn’t blue-screened, so she would have seen a thumbnail silhouette of an Intrepid-class.
@@alvincura In a recent Picard S3 interview of the TNG cast they say its all about the human relationship of the cast/crew not at all the space ships that tie them together. Levar even admitted he'd never watched TNG until recently. Jeri Ryan is an actor, I think its very fan boyish to think she actually got emotional staring at a 3D rendering of USS Voyager (if it even was there). Now if they pull off a cameo/reunion with Janeway or other cast members that would be a whole different situation.
The New Jersey was itself a TNG callback. In "Relics" Picard tells Scotty that there is an original constitution class starship in the fleet museum.
That’s true, but in the TNG era book, Crossover, which is effectively a sequal to Relics, Scotty “borrows” the TOS era Constitution class USS Yorktown (NCC-1717) from the fleet museum….
@@willbill680 Books are Beta Canon, so they don't necessarily need to agree with what's on screen.
@@willbill680 which is a problem, because it’s considered more or less canon that the refitted Yorktown was the ship renamed Enterprise-A.
Cool with that esp. since I started watching Star Trek TOS re-runs around 1975 - in New Jersey. Lol. Only thing about this scene... I don't ever remember the NJ-1975 being "a thing" - how on earth could anyone glancing at a small image on a projected screen come to Jack's conclusion?! The ship looked like a run-of-the-mill TOS Connie from a distance.
@@alexandergroppe448 Jack comments that he has been fascinated by and knows his starships - he simply knew which Constitution I was in the Fleet Museum. Same way he knew which Constitution II he was looking at.
Enjoying this season of Picard ssssooooo MUCH! Brings back all the feels! This is how Picard should have been all along!
Yes!
Exactly right. Such a shame that the first two seasons were spent doing nothing and going nowhere. This is what the fans have wanted all along. We need more!
Exactly. I didn't really like the first 2 seasons that much. This one is great so far
AMEN! I could have done away with that stupid season 1 and that silly girl or season 2 with all that dreaming and flashbacks. All these extra characters like Raffi and Gladys (or whoever the new Borg queen is} are annoying.
As someone who was made a Trekkie by ENT, seeing that refit NX-01 was probably a bigger treat than any other easter egg in this episode. How fantastic to see it canonized! Now to put a reunion show together...
Yas!! 😊 TNG was wat got me but I love the NX-01 and her crew ❤
When Geordi said "you know how many treaties you just broke" and picard says "theyll have to put it on my tab". I laughed. Real hard
It made perfect sense to me when Vadic killed her subordinate that was disagreeing with her. She’d never treat a fellow Changeling like that, but it’s exactly how a Changeling would treat a Jem’Hadar
I think Vadic's subordinates are Breen with redesigned armor.
Remember that Vadic only spoke with ?The Great Link? in an empty room, so her crew isn't to be trusted with the truth of the mission. And ?The Great Link? did already tell her that everything else is expendable, even Vadic (Now confirmed 100% a Changeling). This is a new hivemind, not like the old one, much less pride to take advantage of. They are willing to sacrifice their own kind for victory... much more deadly than they once were.
but not how a jem hadar would treat a changling
@@jackkenefick2696 I'm not saying they were actually Jem'Hadar, they don't look like them even with the helmets. My point was more that it's exactly how the Founders treat their subordinate solids
@@hypathio7For some reason they give me the vibes of the inter dimensional alien abduction aliens from Schisms
Shaw really is hilarious. The fact that we get a callback to his initial taskmaster, "everything to the book" portrayal with Geordi complimenting how the ship is holding up despite everything he said is a testament to maintenance.
Which makes Liam positively fanboy out. I just.. yeah. It was perfect. He's gone through so many different stages in the show and they're so entertaining. Liam Shaw is the gift that keeps on giving.
TBH, I loved that the one time Shaw isn't a total d-bag Commodore LaForge looks at him like he's out of his mind, and just doesn't have time for this...
Which is also a callback because Geordi was only slightly less excited than Wesley to be on the Enterprise and he nerded out on everyone as well. So sweet.
I suspect they made us hate Shaw initially just so we’d love him even more now. And it 100% worked.
And I was taken aback also when he sat at the back of the table, that was wrong and definitely a down
I was really shocked to see Shaw fanboy out with Geordi. That was amazing to see him have some serious administration and awe of one of the Enterprise crew. So cool
Can we give a bit more credit to how amazing Jeri Ryan was when reminiscing about the Voyager, please? The image of the Voyager on screen and her acting here managed to rewind all of Voyager through my head in a split second and I had goosebumps. This season overall manages to remind me how good these actors actually are in these roles.
That said, I have one major down related to that and it's the "I'm Lore, I'm B4, I'm Soong" bit. Brent Spiner always could show how good he was, conveying different roles pefectly although they're in the same scene and look exactly the same. We never had a problem knowing if we're looking at Lore or Data, this was unnecessary and kind of clunky, at least this should have spelled out by another person than him.
Shaw meeting Geordi on the other hand, so good. He has his priorities straight in his hero worship. No respect for Picard or Riker but please give me an autograph Mr. La Forge. :D
The fleet museum had me a little choked up. I am an aeronautics student who loves history, all too often during my studies I hear about remarkable designs that never made it into preservation, I personally believe that at least one example of every mass produced machine, no matter how successful, should be preserved simply to preserve their heritage, however, reality makes that impossible. The fleet museum, much like our real world museums shows that the show runners care about their fictional history, and preserving that history for future generations. It's genuinely heartwarming.
Shaw having only ONE Enterprise crewman he likes and it being Geordi to a near fanboyish level? Thats my personal Latinum Up! And 7 and Picards look to each other seeing how differently he treats him compared to them? Also so fantastic
I agree. I remember pausing the episode to say (to myself) he paid RIker. Picard, Crusher and Worf no mind but fanboyed out at the sight of Geordi. I loved that. I hope those two get more scenes as the show goes on.
YES!!!
Well, Shaw is an engineer first and foremost.
Still, great to see Georgia being held in awe as Scott once was.
We had A Lower Decks moment.
Agreed 💯
One of my Up's, which wasn't mentioned, is the scene between Sydney and Geordie, where Sydney tells her Father that the reason why she crashed her Speeder so often was because she loved the time that she spent with her Father fixing it.
"Yes they are!! You taught me that!!"
what a line.
Oh my GOD 😭😭😭
In addition to the Riker/Data connection from the TNG pilot episode, I thought it was cool that it was Riker, our canon musician, who was able to put those random music notes together to recognize that tune and give the correct response.
"Data" was the security system, as he recognized Riker the notes were meant for him.
As a musician, I take a bit of exception that he was calling out Db and then C#. The fact that he can identify the exact pitches would already be impressive. Only people with perfect pitch or extremely good relative pitch can do that quickly and accurately. But in this case Db and C# are the same note but in different keys. Some very sloppy music theory in the script writing. I'd need to rewatch the scene and check if he was even calling out accurate pitches to what we were hearing.
@@alextirrellRI I thought that too. I liked the idea of Riker having perfect pitch though!
@@alextirrellRI That went over my head but my trombonist friend messaged me, saying the same thing. 😂
@@alextirrellRI I cringed at that too! lol
This episode is a gift. Brilliant performances with perfect fanservice that ties into themes of evolution and legacy, servicing the thematic narrative of the season.
This episode was awesome. Cried like a baby with all the nostalgia. It will be hard to say goodbye to this crew. Again.
"why so weak?" - Uncle Roger
Missed one. When Worf talks about practicing deceit, it’s a nod to Garak in the episode In Purgatory’s Shadow where Garak is winding up Worf over applying to star fleet.
Here is hoping that Andrew Robinson is the surprise guest on The Ready Room next week.
YAAAAAS. We need a revival of the Garak school of Truth and Lies.
Awesome edd. Good one!
Well, he wasn't bad. Being around Garak must have paid off when he had to work incognito. Garak was such a brilliant character. He was at his finest In the Pale Moonlight working with Sisko. It's one of my favorites.
Yes, I hope they have a line similar to “You fight well… for a tailor” at some point.
As someone with an incurable genetic disease I can not tell you how much I loved that scene between Jack and Picard!!
Maybe Jack has the cure?
It was really well done. Especially Ed's performance. I was diagnosed with a neurological condition couple of years ago and despite my prognosis being better than Jack's (for now at least), I went through a long period of thinking I was broken.
I hope you are doing well.
You forgot to mention when Geordi says he can't help Jean-Luc, his daughter, Alandra mentions Hangar Bay 12 and Geordi immediately shushs her. What is in Hangar Bay 12?! Has Geordi been casually repairing the Enterprise-D? Terry Matalas has mentioned that we will be revisiting the Enterprise-D at some point during the season.
Yess the D saucer and old star drive section they found
That thought actually cross my mind as well. I figure that they have brought back so many legacy ships that the enterprise d was going to show up. They probably dismantled the saucer section from Veridian 3 and rebuilt it.
I was hoping it'd be the E. Love the D, but reckon the E is more realistic.
I was hoping they were about to change ships into an older, non=networked ship, preferably named Enterprise
@@ToyHunter-wc9dz I wouldn't be surprised if several of the museum ships factor into things by the end. More than just HMS Bounty.
This is season one to me!! This is the beginning! That is the Picard series I always wanted and just now is being delivered!!!!
We would all love to forget season 1 and 2 of Picard exists
Terry Mattalas should have been in charge from day 1.
I don't know why but this last season, in addition to bringing closure to TNG, is bringing closure to part of my childhood/adolescence. Kudos to the writers
Yep - I'm feeling exactly the same way.
The spaceship montage with Seven and Jack had me legit sobbing. The Voyager scene was obviously the crescendo (imagine if you'd told Trekkies 10 years ago that seeing Voyager again would hit harder than seeing the 1701-A AND Defiant again), but the whole thing was beautiful as were the theme samples (Yes, there's a section of the DS9 theme playing during the Defiant look although it's the most subtle of the three)
considering this was just MINUTES after SURPRISE TRIBBLE JUMPSCARE. What a rollercoaster.
I think Jeri Ryan drove the Voyager crescendo home.
It's such a good feeling to see all those hero ships still intact. It's like "They're still around. People are taking good care of them. It'll be ok." ;_;
The music in that scene was fantastic.
“Oh wow. Well this one is my personal favorite. Kirk’s enterprise. All those perfectly clean retro lines. Yep. I’m definitely a constitution class man.”
When your voice comes out of a characters mouth! I teared up too man!
The Voyager moment was my favourite of the episode. Voyager is my favourite Trek and Jeri Ryan really made me tear up as she talked about her family. I know it's a long shot but I still hope to see Admiral Janeway in the show before the end.
Maybe we will get to see Admiral Janeway. Maybe in some video presentation for Frontier Day. Picard mentioning her with Chancellor Roll made is sound like Janeway is Starfleet's CinC.
@@nooneatall8072 After all of the Voyager and Prodigy, she better be in charge.
I think I would like to see Seven and Janeway interact in such a way as to protray that their actors have reconciled in real life. Politics seemed to have gotten between them. Fortunately, while it didn't prevent them from making good Trek, there is a bit of a sour taste from it. It's kinda like knowing the story behind the "Rumours" album. Or does it make the art created even better?! ... Maybe both?
Even if we don’t get to see Admiral Janeway in Picard, at least she’s starring in Star Trek: Prodigy, which is far better than it has any right to be (just go into it understanding that there is massive character growth and they had to start somewhere).
I would like canonical confirmation that Harry Kim got his promotion from ensign.
You mentioned Battlestar Galactica! All I could think of after them mentioning the fact that the fleet was all interconnected was the fact that here were a bunch of ships that were old, and NOT connected, like the Galactica was. I really hoped they’d be taking one of them out for a spin.
22:03 Didn't pay attention to it before when i saw the scene but when you mentioned that the picture of Riker was the promo shot from Star Trek Nemesis, it suddenly occurred to me that of all the possible pictures that could have been pulled up from his starfleet records, this one was probably pulled because it was the last time Data saw Riker.
I teared up when Geordi saw Data. They were such good friends.
Not to mention that other than the Captain, he's the last one of them to see him and the last time he saw him Data was jumping away from the Enterprise E after he (Geordi) set up the force fields down the hallway to assist him getting to the Scimitar.
I think one thing that was nicely pointed out by Riker, was that the Moriarty hologram was not the "self-aware" one that they had met previously. While I was disappointed that this is all we got from Moriarty, I am happy in the sense that somewhere there is still a cube floating around with him and the Countess flying around in a shuttlecraft...
They handled this really well. When the AI defence system was mentioned I figured it was going to be Moriarty, thanks to Daniel Davis being in the S3 trailers, but I wasn't overjoyed at the idea that someone had pulled him from his data core (still being looked after by Reg Barclay AFAIK) and repurposed him as a security program. On the one hand he would be *really* pissed off, which would have been a joy to watch, but on the other hand I don't think anything should disrupt his and the Countess' happy ending. Combining some of his character traits with the various aspects of Data/Lore/B4/Soong was a very smart move, one that also gave Brent Spiner a moment to shine with the sort of moment-to-moment character changes we've not seen since _Masks._
_Picard_ S3 is turning out to be _Star Trek's_ answer to _Rogue One;_ fan service that honours the legacy while also offering something new and contemporary. Not only is it shaping up to be the proper send-off that the _TNG_ crew never got to enjoy in the movies, it's a beautiful love letter to nearly 60 years of _Star Trek._ With such a strong start over the first couple of episodes I did worry that the writers might drop the ball at the eleventh hour, but to be honest I don't even care about that as much now. The journey is turning out to be so much fun that a bad ending would have to be *really* botched to ruin it.
Seven talking about Voyager and her found family got to me. All the happy tears
Defiant is my ship, but I started tearing up when Seven showed Jack Voyager with that theme playing. Probably the first series I really watched regularly (as reruns) with my favourite theme that was probably what fully unlocked my trekkie self. DS9 is still my top as it's the first one I watched front to back.
The Voyager theme is THE BEST THING about that series. It had SUCH potential and within a season, was all gone. Such a shame.
Agreed 🖖🏽
Wonderful for Daniel Davis ""Moriarty " in this scene driven bonkers and the tune stuck in his head from his adversary Data "pop goes the weasel "
So happy the NX-01 refit was included, bringing it officially into canon. Also so amused with Seven and the spinny chair...
1. This "New" Data screamed 'Coldstone' from Gargoyles, especially with Worf right there.
2. It is my head cannon now that Captain Montgomery "Scotty" Scott was the curator of this museum before Geordi. He was the original Relic after all.
can i just say how incredibly happy my heart was watching jack and seven on the bridge BEFORE looking at the voyager "off" without being super serious is classic 7. Jeri Ryan's smile was just so sweet! you can tell she's so happy to be back on star trek. My heart was bursting seeing how she looks at jack. She truly trusts him and respects what he's doing. "you know a lot about ships for not giving a damn about starfleet" it was just so pure! we are so blessed to have annika back.
Yeah, it was great interaction, especially coming from a character who herself didn't care about starfleet all that much
This has been an incredible season. Clearly Terry Matalas is such a hero! Every week I keep saying this is my favorite episode and they did it again. Also loved Geordi telling Jack like a father "stay away from my daughter" :) So many great moments. Hopefully the powers that be, have seen the light and somehow, we get more Trek like this.
Only thing missing was Geordi cleaning his phaser when saying that...
I'm overjoyed at just how incredible this season is continuing to be, on ALL fronts. I have not one criticism so far. This episode in particular was akin to Christmas morning as a kid. What a precious time to be a Star Trek fan.
Can we give a mention to Geordie for the ultimate dad moment warning jack to stay away from his daughters.😂
Well Jack IS a criminal. Don't blame him.
@@gabelogan5877 Jack's the Bad Boy all the girls want and all the Fathers want to protect them from.
And Sydney instantly serving "DAD, YOU'RE EMBARRASSING ME IN FRONT OF MY FRIEND AND BEING A TOTAL FREAK!" realness. A clear breech of Starfleet standards of conduct towards a superior officer, but delightful all the same. :)
@@gabelogan5877 he's also a Picard and we all know the smooth moves of Papa
This episode was pure Trekkie catnip and I’m so here for it. So giddy throughout it. So good.
*PURR* Yup.
@@johntrevy1 didn't know I'd see you here.
@@jasonpye4649 *MEOW*. We are everywhere.
@@johntrevy1 those of the debunker community you mean? Guess so.
@@jasonpye4649 No, changeling kitty cats. 🐈🐈😻😻
I cried and got super excited and nostalgic for a whole lot of things this episode, but when Sean pointed out nx-01 I gained a respect for the writers that I didn’t think I could for anyone, that’s incredible.
For me the latinum up was the Seven looking at Voyager scene it was beautiful
My favorite part is when Picard says we are warping in cloaked and Riker says how are they going to that and Worf says I presume superior Klingon technology that made me laugh
I think weaving in those musical cues was the best part of the episode.
It reminds me of "All along the Watchtower" from Battlestar Galactica (btw the Head writer being Ron Moore)
Agreed
This series is just absolutely hitting it out of the park. In the words of Picard “I don’t want the game to end”
I actually agree. I hated the first season and the second season didn't do much for me either, but just like most Trek series, it found good footing and now I'm kinda bummed that it's going to end. Trek shows always seem to start rough but turn to gold after a couple seasons and I regret not expecting Picard to do the same.
Hearing that voyager theme and listening to seven talk about her crew made me well up. She’s come so far and Jeri Ryan acted the hell outta that scene!
Hi everyone. Just a note. It wasnt Archers body. I paused and checked. It was an Arretan android body from TOS season 2 episode called Return to tomorrow.
Creag Hutton Nice catch!
Hi Sean I noticed a great call back to season 6 of tng that I noticed only today because I'm rewatching it. But when we saw the uss New Jersey in the fleet museum it was a direct reference to the conversation that Captain picard had with Mr Scott on the holodeck bridge of the Constitution class uss enterprise where picard mentioned to Mr Scott that there was a Constitution class in the fleet museum. So I felt like that deserves an up just because of a nod to a great scene between picard and scotty.
Just that one shot of the NX... it made me so incredibly happy. It made my day. It made my week. I am so incredibly happy that Enterprise is at least thought of back at CBS studios.
... and if you look closely, it appears to have a secondary hull
Using the Nemesis image for Riker makes sense since it's likely the last version of Riker that this "Data" remembers seeing.
Sean... I refer you to your previous comments about Ro. If we don't see a body, she isn't dead.
Her transmission cut off a few seconds before her shuttle exploded into the Intrepid's nacelle, so maybe she was able to beam aboard the Intrepid at the last second and is hiding out till she can get away.
And I know there was a transport inhibitor, but Seven said they'd probably be able to beam her over to the Titan if she got closer, so that'd probably be the case if she was close enough to the Intrepid.
Anyway this gives me enough wiggle room to believe she could live to fight another day.
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Either way if her body is in one piece we now know where it will end up.
I really want this to be the case. Ro is such a great character!
I was wondering the same. Ro might be made of rubber
I'd say it's unlikely, but we just got data back after twenty years, with a NEW body, so anything is possible
my EXACT thought! I was like well all we saw was the ship explode, and if Seven said they could transport her from the ship if they got close..... she was as close as you get to the intrepid as you can get xD I really really hope that a few episodes away we get a surprise here is Ro moment.
Don't know if any of the other 2646 comments tals about it, but I guess the crow/Moriaty/whistling scene was just Data making sure that Riker is not a changeling. He gave him a hint, and he had him reakting in a way only the original Riker would. Data was fully aware of the situation and wanted to know if he can trust Riker.
Possible Cetacean Observations: The USS New Jersey is a reference to the Battleship New Jersey, also a Museum Ship here in our timeline. :)
Hearing the Voyager theme and then Seven describing how she found herself and family made me cry a little.
Favorite line: on the bridge, when they realize what has happened with the cloaking device:
Picard - Jack...
Geordi - Sydney...
Geordi to Jack later... Stay away from my daughter.
When Worf mentioned going into battle with a lover, i was thinking it was referencing his relationship with Dax
One call back you missed, when Data is first activated he sees Geordi and Picard and says, "Geordi?' ....."Captain?". This is a call back to, Star Trek Insurrection, as this is the same thing(s) he says after being activated in engineering aboard the Enterprise E after being damaged by the Sona. He even say it in the exact same way.
The amount of time Worf hasn't seen Picard is the same amount of time Spock served with Captain Pike on the Enterprise.
What was it? 11 Years, 4 Months and 5 Days?
Well spotted
Damn, great catch!
Wasn't it 10 years for Spock? Got a link to the scene? Any proof?
@@GopherBaroque61 I think someone flubbed a line, or I misremember, because I could've sworn Worf said "11 years 5 months 4 days" instead of Spcok's "11 years 4 months 5 days" but yeah, I caught what that was SUPPOSED to be referencing.
I am... ABSOLUTELY enjoying this season. I DID enjoy every season so far, I think so far this is a fantastic season. Even the quote that Jack shoots at 7. "We ALL long for connection. We're all just a little bit alone aren't we? Stars in the same galaxy but lightyears between us." Just how strong that quote was brought me to tears.
It captures the essence of life...
So many complained about the first two seasons, and so many now are saying the third season is so much better, but as this season plays out, it is evident that the first two seasons had to happen as they did. And would also point out that the show is named Star Trek PICARD and this series has not disappointed this 63 year old trekkie.
I do have to agree. I loved EVERY episode so far. I do love that they're bringing the dream team together.
I definitely teared up when Voyager came on the screen and 7 talking about the crew as her family. I love all of Star Trek but have fond memories of watching Voyager growing up as it was the current show in production when I was a kid. Loved this episode.
It might just be me but Data's repeating of "Jean Luc Picard" to tell them what was taken kinda reminded me of when Picard said "Sleep" to tell Data to make the Borg regenerate during Best of Both Worlds to beat them
Yep - I think it's a direct call back.
So far this was my favorite Picard episode. NO spoilers, but it just felt so well written and preformed that I feel the episode as a whole should get and UP. Live long and prosper. also you missed something: the TNG episode Relics we have Picard tell Scotty there's a Constitution Class at the fleet museum...nice consistency to see it.
As a HUGE DS9 fan I actually teared up when the first ship shown was the DEFIANT with the theme song!!!!
its just too bad worf wasn't on the bridge.
The scene where Seven shares her emotions regarding finding family among the Voyager crew was awesome. I was surprised and delighted about the Soong android being a combined personality--such possibilities. I think the appearance of Deanna Troi on Vadic's ship is false--that person is a Changeling.
I was thinking the same, but I expect Riker could suss that out pretty quick.
If all 5 of the personalities are combined then Data will finally become the "human" he always sought out to be.
Vadic knows that Riker will perform a test to see if this is the real Deanna or not. So I 🤔 it's the real Deanna. 🤗
@@billkeithchannel Ah yes, the Hippie, the Child, the scientist, the Prototype, and the Evil One. All 5 components of humans.
Well at the Start of the Episode Vadic told the crew to find Every Anecstor or Friend of Picard - so it could be the Real Deanna Captured.
My little lump-of-coal heart burst when the Enterprise-A appeared. She's my ship, too. ❤
I love how Riker looks up when the phaser is at his head. Like, dude, if you're going to kill me Im gonna look you right in the eye while you do it. Riker is badass in this season!
Loved Worf and the attack tribble!!!! What a great season, loved the scene at the museum between Jack and Seven. So exited to see all the ships on display. Such a cool episode, I really loved seeing Voyager again
It struck me as funny that we are so old now as Star Trek fans that literally walking us through a museum of starships is the heartwarming part of the story lol I actually loved the episode tho! And I’m loving this season so much!!!
If you ever got the privillege of walking through the STAR TREK Museum at the Hilton in Las Vegas, it was a very similar experience.
The "Genesis II" device is a pretty funny gag considering Genesis II was an early-'70s TV movie created by Gene Roddenberry that failed to get picked up as a series.
I'll never forget it because it was the show where Mariette Hartley had two belly buttons.
Glad someone else caught that deep-cut reference, makes me feel like less of an über-nerd 😂
@@CtrlOptDel Why would anyone want to feel less of a nerd? 🤔😛
@@OptimusGPrime Ikr? Being a nerd is fun. 🤓
@@OptimusGPrime I was specifically referring to being too much of a nerd, where one has no personality outside of overly-specific knowledge.
Maybe they'll drop the Talon mother ship or Andromeda Ascendant in as an Easter egg. (Though the latter would have worked best for S3 Discovery.)
I have watched this episodes 3 times since midnight, and it's on in my office again right now. Just wow.
A comment on the last down though: Yes, you can beam with the cloak activated, but maybe that's because they used a klingon transporter that was specially designed to allow this? It makes sense for the Klingons to modify their transporters in that way.
Thank you for putting a spoiler for the newest episode RIGHT INTO THE THUMBNAIL on the day the episode comes out.
DUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDEEEEEE! For me, the Latinum Up is using the Bounty's cloaking device for the Titan. Yes, having all those historical ships there was great (thanks for finding the NX-01), but having that cloaking device installed is like having the OG crew there in spirit. Such an excellent tie-in to The Voyage Home.
I have a strong feeling that this season will conclude with Picard giving up his golem body to Jack, to save him from his condition. Jean-Luc is in his 90s and his son is barely in his 20s so it more than makes sense to be a great point to conclude his story, sacrificing himself for his son. Patrick Stewart is ready to say goodbye to Picard and the audience is there to see these new characters like Shaw, Jack and Sydney to take forward. This is possibly my favourite episode of the season and the best Trek in years. SO many easter eggs.
Speaking as a father, if it was possible he would have already thought of it and done it
@@jackkenefick2696 Well, there is this Federation wide conspiracy they kind of need to take care of first. While I'm sure Picard would be eager enough to give Jack a chance to live without the disease, he'd want to ensure that he has a safe(ish) galaxy to live in. Save billions of lives, then save the one that matters the most. There'd be no point handing over the body if he thought Jack wouldn't live long enough to enjoy it.
I'm thinking he might want to do it - but having the knowledge of HOW to do it is something else again. This could be where the new Data-esque golem comes into play - since I believe one of his personalities is also a Soong.
@@twisterjester it sounds like A.I. Soong didn’t build *himself* another gollum body, but he downloaded at least some of himself into it. Presumably at least his knowledge of cybernetics and how he built the gollums and how to finish this one, so that information wouldn’t be lost.
Except there's a possibility that would actually shorten Jack's life. Remember Picard's "golem" has a built in kill-switch -- he, JEAN-LUC, would live out a normal human life. Jack, OTOH, could live decades with Irumodic Syndrome before the symptoms became debilitating. Just like his father.
IDK, it would seem a more 'Star Trek' ending if Jack just decided that no matter how long his life he's going to live it to the full - not burdened down with resentments and fears, a past he can't change, or the sins of his parents. He will find a place to stand, a chosen family to love and be loved by. And a whole wide galaxy to roam in...
Seriously, the 8th up, I'm already welling up again, damn this episode hit this 90s trekkie hard!!! I can't list everything here that's gotten me, the ships, the themes, the whistle, the moment from Seven about being "reborn" on Voyager & it being her home and family, that was a proper tearjerker because I grew up watching shiny & new Voyager (was 10 when it first aired, it too felt like "home" sometimes), and the activation of Data, or at least the "Soong Golum", well, 'scuse me while I go blub for a bit, damned 'memberberries have hit me again... :P
I am glad Ro had a better send-off than Icheb and Hugh.
I am digging Amanda Plummer as Vaddik but when she spins in that chair I am reminded of Frau Farbissina and I am expecting her to yell "Scott!!!!!!!!"
This season is just the gift that keeps on giving. I hit prause and rewind so many times. Oh what a joy😊
I teared up when Seven pulled up Voyager on screen. That was the first Star Trek show I followed week to week.
It was mentioned that Excelsior is at the fleet museum, so that's probably what that ship is. The cloak might not be playing nice with the Titan's systems, so they need to decloak to beam, and *did* they break the Treaty of Algeron if there's no more Romulan Star Empire to have a treaty with?
I had the same thought, but then looked it up in Memory Alpha: the treaty is being maintained by the Romulan Free State... so yeah, it's still a thing.
I may or may not have teared up at the scene between Seven and Jack on the bridge 🥲I'M NOT CRYING, YOU'RE CRYING🥲🥲
Seven: "This was where I was reborn"
Jordi tearing up when Data say’s his name is what got me😢❤
I didnt cry a couple of times at this episode!
A few things I picked up on was in Daystrum with Kirk next to the Genesis device? Looks like the device got turned on either during the fight with Moriarty or when they arrived. Of course, remember the tagline of the Genesis project "Life from lifelessness" Wil Wheaton said on the Ready Room this week said "You won't believe who will be on next week's episode" So I think it's either Scott Bakula or Willam Shatner!
I actually went back and pulled up the scene where Khan is activating the GD and compared it to Riker looking at the G2D and yeah, It actually looks like its in the early stages of being activated. Or does it just have pretty neon light display while being in an unarmed state?
Regarding the entire fleet being present at Frontier Day, my immediate understanding of that was that that must be part of the conspiracy, that that must have been an idea from changelings who had infiltrated Starfleet. So that being a dumb idea is kinda the point.
Well reasoned.
I just think on its face its technically infeasible. The entire federation starfleet going to one system.... Have you any idea how many hundreds of thousands of starships there would realistically be in a 150+member world federation of planets? Now you wanna put all that in one system??? To say nothing of Starfleet priorities and tasks goingon throughout the federation?
@@TheMsLourdes Space is very empty, there's plenty of room. ;) But more seriously, there probably aren't as many ships in Starfleet as you'd think. Think about it today, how many aircraft carriers do you think the US has? 11. There are only around 47 total in the entire world currently. If I didn't already know that, I'd have guessed there are must be at least 47 in the US military. But I agree with you on the infeasibility of it with other things going on, like medical emergencies, etc. But how else will the Changelings get their computer virus to infect every ship in starfleet all at once to get them to self destruct (or whatever they want it to do) in one fell swoop? :)
@@TheMsLourdes I was going to make this point as well. Even if there are only a few dozen capital (cruisers) ships, and a few hundred support (destroyers, frigates, science vessels) ships (assuming 1 ship per colonized world, which is probably a very low estimate. The Fed pulled 40 ships together during Wolf 359 during relative peace-time and the fleets just got bigger during DS9 era, the 7th fleet had 112 ships and I think there was a battle where Jadzia says 200 ships were damaged or lost.) that's a LOT of ships to call back from missions just for pomp and circumstance. It doesn't seem realistic at all.
Hell, how often do we hear "We're the only ship in range." during a major event taking place near Earth, but now every ship will be called in for a parade?
Kirk's body description says something about Phoenix Project too, guess Lazarus why taken by Shepard already.
Also, that moment when Vadic transforms back and the 'Mm'.. For the moment I just tought it's going to be Odo.
Me too.
same.
yep me four i think it is now
There was an explanation as to why Kirk was able to beam in/out of The Bounty while cloaked... As most could probably figure out, Klingon Birds of Prey have to decloak in order to fire weapons or beam personnel in or out due to the energy drain on the ship while in travel or in space. In the novel based on the movie, ( I have it somewhere in my parents home) it was explained that since the ship was "parked" in a field, most of the systems, including life support, were not in use, or even activated, so there was sufficient reserve power to use transports while cloaked. Hope this helps.
This episode and whole season has been nothing but brilliant writing and fan service, and I'm here for all of it. So. Damn. Good.
The OG constitution class looks BEAUTIFUL. I hope we can finally get away from the Contitution class aparently not looking "modern" enough for HD Star Trek. The SNW Enterprise is also good looking, but the New Jersey here looks remarkable. So simple and elegant. It still looks futuristic today. I really hope we get a SNW retcon so that the Enterprise will eventually just look like the TOS Enterprise.
Btw, seeing Voyager again in HD really hit me. I have such a deep love for Voyager and her crew. I actually had to pause because I was overwhelmed, I was still trying to get over seeing the Defiant, New Jersey and Enterprise-A. God, I love this season. So so much.
You don't need a retcon -_-.
Honestly stop with the rotcon or similar. The SNW Enterprise looks fine.
If she reverts to the one from TOS its due to a refit and downgrades to allow her to travel long range outside federation space as by that point she's replaceable.
I have to confess I haven't seen all of Enterprise so I'm not sure about Archer, but if you think about everything that happened to Picard's original body (the Borg, being turned into a kid, living an entire lifetime as someone else) and Kirk's body (sent to Mirror Universe, swapped essences with Janice Lester, split into two via transporter malfunction, existing out of phase with our reality), I can see why a scientific black site would want their remains for study.
Also, Seven and Shaw had my favorite moments this week. If they're not already scrambling for a Titan series, I don't know how anything is being done over there.
I always pined for a Riker's Titan series. Not as much as I wanted Peter David's New Frontier books to be made into a series. but I'll accept one with Shaw as a consolation.
Dr Greg House in space. Sign me up !!! 😁
Did they have archers body? I’ve still got half of season 4 but aside from all his broken dreams of peaceful exploration he’s relatively untouched.
@@DrGamelove Yes, they had his body. It was an Easter Egg if you looked at the right time and paused it. I didn't watch that series.
You NEED to watch all of Enterprise! It just get gets better and better.
This channel is beginning to infect my waking mind. As I was watching the episode and enjoying seeing everything, a thought popped into my head, "The people at TrekCulture are going to go nuts over this one." I would, indeed, have loved to have been able to see them all react to the episode. While late in the series for such a thing, maybe that is something they can start with what is left. Let's all share and enjoy and nostalgic delights we've been experiencing.
I actually looked on yt first- that's when I knew I had to head to prime first 😅
My current guess is that the changelings are after the residual nanoprobes that were in Picard's original, human body.
They want them to in some way infect/take over the entire (now networked) fleet of ships on Founder's day and either destroy them or force them to attack earth.
HOWEVER, after stealing Picard's body, they learned that the nanoprobes in question had already ~left~ his body and moved on to Jack when he was conceived. Which is why the changelings are now so desperate to get a hold of Jack (alive) before Founder's Day.
WOW you were spot on
@@sarahkinsey5434 Spoilers please. Darn it.
Oh yes - I "geeked out" when they referenced each of those ships! When they showed the "Bounty" and said they originally couldn't find her - Cloaking device popped into my mind!
So great a show this was - so great a season this is!
Hearing Seven reminisce about Voyager while looking at the ship gave me goosies on goosies. This episode was amazing.