Brazing With Propane

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  • Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
  • Don't Waste Your Money on Acetylene. You Can Braze Just as Well With Propane. It Is Much Cheaper and Readily Available. You Can Also Refill The Tanks Yourself!

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  • @milesodonnol4456
    @milesodonnol4456 9 років тому +11

    This is actually "Brazing with Propane and Oxygen". Some people do braze with propane alone. Well, propane and air.

  • @ImNotStalkingYou
    @ImNotStalkingYou 8 років тому +1

    That is impressive! Probably just as fast as acetylene and so much cheaper and more readily available :)
    This is exactly what I needed, thank you for the entertaining and informative video

  • @FGuilt
    @FGuilt 8 років тому +6

    DAMN dude. You are about the cheapest guy I've ever seen! I DEFINITELY approve. :) GREAT advice to cut down on the cost of acetalyne. The rental deal with acetylene tanks is a total racket. Cheers man. Thanks.

  • @Benny-dv7xm
    @Benny-dv7xm 2 роки тому

    You and Scotty Kilmer, "Really Cheap"🤣

  • @spacepine
    @spacepine 12 років тому

    To answer ?'s about propane being used to cut metal. I worked for several years at a large salvage yard. Propane and liquid oxygen is all we used to prepare scrap. I ran a Victor Harris torch with a number 3 tip and I've cut through a solid steel shaft from an old GE armacher. The shaft was at least 12" in diameter. I've also cut through 5" plate with the same tip. Also, great vid 351wsvo. I just started teaching myself to braze (with propane of course).

  • @deankay4434
    @deankay4434 3 роки тому +1

    I looks like it is way too hot for just brazing. I don’t know, I have never used propane and getting tanks filled seems real expensive anymore. Either way, if that’s you tip, you can back off both the gas & Ox and concentrate the flame a little smaller & tighter. Who knows, maybe you can save more fuel. I go by the flame period. If using another fuel, I would “Sight” the flame and start low depending on thickness of materials. You can always bump it up, but remember, you can also burn the metal. Cleaning, flux for brazing rod and go for a slight capillary action, when one fits over the other. Automotive master tech since 1978 - Retired (My torch = 1982 / 150 amp MIG = 1984)

  • @TheDadPenfield
    @TheDadPenfield 11 років тому +2

    I like the way you make things work. You seem to know a lot about torches and have several contacts to help you with these projects. But...for most of us making our own cylinders, making and adding adapters, putting tanks in refrigerators, transferring gas between cylinders would be way too dangerous because something is going to go explosively wrong, negating all the cost savings. But seeing how you came up with these projects along with the your ingenuity is still fun to watch.

  • @TheLightningStalker
    @TheLightningStalker 12 років тому +1

    I've also used oxy/propane and it works great for lots of things including cutting steel. They make special tips for just this purpose. If you try it with acetylene tips it doesn't work as well. One thing it can't do though is weld steel.

  • @luisbenitez3428
    @luisbenitez3428 2 роки тому

    you're smart not cheap, thanks for the tip I never knew this

  • @RalphDratman
    @RalphDratman 9 років тому +8

    I don't see any reason why those homebrew tanks would be necessary. You can hook up an ordinary propane barbecue tank to a propane regulator that you buy from a welding supply store. Then you just need a propane tip, also easy to find if you are using a recently-made handle (and even for some older handles).

    • @VictorNolochemical
      @VictorNolochemical 6 років тому

      Ralph Dratman Think he said " Cheap " like 10 times 😂 When it comes to gas cheap can get people hurt there is much worse on UA-cam.

    • @obfuscated3090
      @obfuscated3090 6 років тому +2

      They aren't and this video is an example of excellent enthusiasm and very little homework. Damn nice custom LP tank though but not DOT rated, not that it matters in this case.
      Oxy-LP cutting and brazing is quite common and not unusual at all. The soft parts of quality acetylene regulators (Smith, Harris, Victor, ESAB, etc) are compatible with LP and may be used with it. If in doubt contact your own regulator makers tech support.
      Non-crap acetylene regulators with CGA-510 inlet fittings have internal soft parts compatible with LP. (Victor, Smith, Harris etc) and you can verify with your regulator maker if theirs is compatible.
      This example adapter will connect disposable cylinders to CGA-510 (uses the INSIDE threads, not the outside LP QD threads of the adapter) regulators.
      www.amazon.com/DozyAnt-Propane-Converter-Universal-Disposable/dp/B01I35OR8Y/ref=sr_1_19?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1520480228&sr=1-19&keywords=disposable+lp+cylinder+adapter
      I assembled mine with separate parts and a 90-degree coupling so my regulator remains horizontal but regs function the same in any position. Cutting with disposable LP cylinders is common. You can see some example setups on weldingweb (I'm not affiliated but I do have over 4K posts there.)

    • @rmark1083
      @rmark1083 6 років тому

      @@VictorNolochemical said "THINK HE SAID CHEAP LIKE 10 TIMES. (first grade emoji)" when it comes to gas, cheap will get someone hurt."
      Talk about cheap, cough cough.

    • @alexdemartine4758
      @alexdemartine4758 5 років тому

      +Ralph Dratman Let me guess, you are cheaper?

    • @codyj2167
      @codyj2167 5 років тому +1

      i think the he made the tanks just so they would fit in the tote but i must agree it is a little unnecessary and unsafe

  • @obfuscated3090
    @obfuscated3090 5 років тому +2

    The customized MC and built-from-scratch tanks are cool as is the adapter. The adapter and MANY others are available online. Western is the US industry leader for gas fittings. What many weldors self included do instead of modding an MC tank is refill disposable LP tanks and adapt those to our OA or OP regulators.
    Be sure to remove any flow restrictors when doing so. Here's my detailed Weldingweb post on the subject:
    weldingweb.com/showthread.php?56785-Very-portable-propane-cutting
    US made acetylene regulators have soft parts rated for LP (saves multiple part numbers and possibly dangerous mixups). If in doubt call or email their tech support.
    Cheap is good but sometimes it's what's referred to as false economy. Acetylene is also WELL worth having available. I use oxy-actylene and oxy-propane depending on task and also have acetylene-air torches. Used US made quality torches and regulators are cheap on Ebay. I rebuild equipment using factory tech data for myself and collect torches and regulators. Rebuilding oxygen regulators is most convenient if you send them off since the cleaning is more work than it's worth. See Weldingweb for user recommended rebuilders or go through your local welding supply.
    I go even further for light weight and use medical oxygen cylinders which I transfill (google "transfill whip") from my large oxygen cylinders. My oxygen whips are CGA 540 males on a pigtail. I connect that to a CGA 540 tee with an oxygen regulator on the opposite side to monitor fill pressure and vent the line after the transfill. Lots of info on the net but know and work to "oxygen safe" standards and do not fuck around! NEVER fill a damaged cylinder. Never store ANY fuel gas cylinder inside a closed vehicle. It's often done but explosions can easily scatter your truck!
    Safety Note:
    Anyone can do this sort of thing if you STUDY seriously first. If you aren't dead serious about safety then find another hobby so you don't kill anyone who doesn't deserve it. Weldingweb and the Miller forums are excellent resources. Videos are useful but don't try to rely on them because text is inherently much more precise.

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  14 років тому

    Very much the same as with acetylene. You can also put the flame on a piece of copper and adjust until it looks like a new penny where the flame is

  • @racepicman
    @racepicman 14 років тому +1

    did you pressure test the cylinder you made

  • @DystopianEmpire01
    @DystopianEmpire01 9 років тому +1

    Wow, I didn't know this could be done, Thanks. Now I can afford my hobby until it starts paying.

  • @Buggy8873
    @Buggy8873 11 років тому

    My Bad, yeah was refering to a plumbers soldering kit. Ok he asked for a small kit, so try Bernzomatic multi-use torch kit. It states you can braze and cut up to 3/4" bolts with disposable tanks and includes hose and regulator and rods for about $60 at Home Depot.

  • @730M
    @730M 13 років тому

    Fyi MC stands for motorcycle it was used for acetylene headlamps . also you should be careful when emptying out acetylene tanks if it comes out to fast appox 15 lbs refer to your gauge red line it can self ignite there is also liquid acetone in side

  • @IcechickenSr
    @IcechickenSr 14 років тому

    I agree while you can braze ok with this setup just fine, but I gather your an HVAC or plumber so your really almost doing a high octane high test version of sweating pipe. Actual high heat brazing on thicker material where ALL metals including filler must be worked into a puddle propane starts to show it's usefulness. I had a very experienced HVAC tech here tell me you don't need that kind of heat for copper pipe so this setup is more than enough. Awsome adaptors too, very versitile. Cheers, IC

  • @TheRabidPosum
    @TheRabidPosum 13 років тому +1

    Nice setup! I think a lot more people would use propane if everything didn't have to be custom made.

  • @russellwilson5246
    @russellwilson5246 2 роки тому

    cool..hey i hear you use 4 times the oxygen.is that corect and would that end up not so cheep? does any one do it with compressed air?

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  12 років тому

    You get a hose and valve and connect the small empty tank to a larger tank ,like a BBQ tank. You put the small tank in a freezer for a couple hours first till it's very cold.Make sure the bigger tank is upside-down. then open the valves and wait till the small tank fills.Careful not too full! Must have proper space for expansion.

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  14 років тому

    @MrCohibaboy You can braze if you can get 1100 -1300 degreesF But you can not weld with it. You have to use acetylene.

  • @TorBoy9
    @TorBoy9 2 роки тому

    pretty cool. much cheaper. I never thought you could add oxygen to propane, but now it makes sense. Why not?

  • @telesniper2
    @telesniper2 8 років тому

    yeah propane works great for brazing. The only thing they say is you have to watch carburizng some metals and contaminating the joint (i forget what exactly). But feh, i've never had a problem personally

  • @mainelyelectric
    @mainelyelectric 9 років тому +2

    Are you good friends with the Propane filling place? How do you get away with filling a MC tank with propane? did you get it recertified for propane? Just wondering

  • @walterbrunswick
    @walterbrunswick 11 років тому

    He's asking about a brazing kit. An air-propane mixture does not burn hot enough for silver brazing, only for soft soldering, which is fine for plumbers, but useless for us A/C techs.

  • @crosstimbers2
    @crosstimbers2 11 років тому +3

    this is a little mis-leading because you are also using oxygen

  • @Xynudu
    @Xynudu 6 років тому +1

    No flux ???
    Do you need to wear UV glare filter goggles with LPG/oxy ?
    I'm thinking of going this way for brazing. Any info appreciated.
    Cheers Rob

    • @johnirby493
      @johnirby493 5 років тому

      Brazing copper requires no flux. It is self cleaning.

    • @JustinLodes
      @JustinLodes 5 років тому

      John Irby actually you still have to clean and prep the joints. You just don’t need flux

  • @jonminnella2168
    @jonminnella2168 7 років тому

    thanks for the demo i been tring to find a cheaper way braze frig pipe

  • @Buggy8873
    @Buggy8873 11 років тому

    Home Depot has a kit with propane tank filled, silver added solder no lead and flux with brush for $20.

  • @walterbrunswick
    @walterbrunswick 12 років тому +1

    also diamataceous earth, and coke, and acetone...

  • @mainelyelectric
    @mainelyelectric 11 років тому

    Hi i'm Ben I love your vids and I do the same as you and braze with propane and i also braze really short rods together to make a long one again!! why throw them out anyway we pay for the rod it costs a price and brazing them together saves money and rods!! For now I use my smith little torch with a oxy propane rose bud tip! thanks again Ben

  • @birdchaser2010
    @birdchaser2010 7 років тому

    You are not cheap you are smart

  • @psychomikeo500
    @psychomikeo500 12 років тому

    we have always used propane with the adapters as it is easier to get the fuel

  • @marynollaig4124
    @marynollaig4124 3 роки тому

    How did you get the propane into the home made cylinder?

  • @luciusirving5926
    @luciusirving5926 10 років тому +1

    Who needs a mig welder, when propane can provide tougher joints via brazing than welding? Plus nobody likes arc rays and smoke at all. Mig and Tig can braze but only with shielding gas plus they're limited to indoor shop work. Not to mention, propane can be used both indoors and outdoors.

    • @RalphDratman
      @RalphDratman 10 років тому +1

      That all makes sense to me. About the only disadvantage I know of would be that brazing with a torch would probably be slower than arc welding. However, in non-industrial settings the speed of welding, or the time required to complete a specific weld, may not matter.

    • @yornnygarciga9726
      @yornnygarciga9726 7 років тому

      JP JP

  • @mchimonas
    @mchimonas 14 років тому

    I have an oxy-acetyelene set up. Can I just go to air gas and swap my acetyelen cylinder for a propane cylinder? are propane cylinders like the white one in the video easy to find?

  • @JoseVargas-bz3zd
    @JoseVargas-bz3zd 4 роки тому

    How did you remove the porus off the mc tank?

  • @Rawflcounsel76
    @Rawflcounsel76 10 років тому +1

    Is that an interchangeable tip that you braze the copper pipe with at the end? Where do you get it, or what is the model? Also I used the tip that came with my victor torch kit with propane and cannot get it "roar" like you did in your video, is the a specific psi that for propane and oxy? Could share it you don't mind?...thanks

    • @351wsvo
      @351wsvo  10 років тому +1

      Did you watch the whole video? is your tip rebated at the end? Propane press. is about 5-6 and Oxy is 15-18. The tip is interchangeable. It is a Victor. Number 2 Type TEN #0311-0485 tip and Number 6 TEMF #0311-0676 and #0324-0094 tube for 100FC handle

    • @TheNuggetshooter
      @TheNuggetshooter 5 років тому

      @@351wsvo No, the Propane tip I use is not "rebated", but the holes are "recessed".

  • @craigmonteforte1478
    @craigmonteforte1478 4 роки тому

    When i was a teenager a buddy of mine had a used Mustang that had a leaky radiator his Dad fixed the leak by brazing a old penny over the hole(heads Up) of course for good luck ! Over 40 years later i always check at car shows looking for that radiator in another car ! So far no luck yet but my guess is its still out there BTW my freinds Dad was a Maintenance man in a Hospital kind of a Jack of All Trades my freind was happy his car was on the road

  • @walterbrunswick
    @walterbrunswick 13 років тому

    Nice video, very interesting. I'm entering the HVAC/R industry soon and I'm already sold. Don't forget to mention that you have to switch to a T-grade hose though:)

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  14 років тому

    @mjphx
    Yes it is a victor propane tip .Or you can countersink a standard tip yourself our can actually use a standard tip without the countersink with a little more difficulty.

  • @mchimonas
    @mchimonas 13 років тому

    Smith makes a cool pre-set regulator for use of propane with victor type torches.

  • @martinw9425
    @martinw9425 4 роки тому

    great vid.......nicely done.

  • @blackrockbrewing5141
    @blackrockbrewing5141 2 роки тому

    Third door on the right?

  • @felixv0
    @felixv0 13 років тому

    Have you ever try to braze thin walled steel tubing (about 1-2 mm) useing brass to join the tubes. would be intresting for me because I don´t want to buy a acetylene tank.

  • @ARCSTREAMS
    @ARCSTREAMS 5 років тому

    first of all im surprised to realize that propane has more btu's/cf then acyt yet acyt is a hotter flame?perhaps because adibatic temp is diffrent than btu? also it seems propane and acyt have the same 21600 btu's/lb?? i guess propane must be lighter by vol, i made some calcs according to specs online saying 1cf of prop=2570btu,1cf of acyt=1450btu ,and it is almost half of the weight of acyt,, second why did you build that aluminum cyl for? will they actually fill it for you something home made like that? its illegal to fill,even for propane they are strict now about tank expiry date much less something you built

  • @wakawaka12320
    @wakawaka12320 7 років тому

    hey do you notice with propa b e your torch tips get really hot?

  • @rovannon
    @rovannon 9 років тому

    hi
    can you give more information about setting up the flame. maybe even another video for it?
    I am very new into oxy-propane welding and almost all the information on internet is about oxy-acetylene welding.

  • @q2069
    @q2069 14 років тому

    how do you clean out the acetylene tank to fill it with propane?

  • @mikefreedom5612
    @mikefreedom5612 4 роки тому

    Did you change the hoses and tip?

  • @ricxeco
    @ricxeco 14 років тому

    I use Turbotorch STK-99 with propane (No oxygen) for brazing copper. Seem to work OK for the small pipe size I do (1/4 OD and 1/2 Plumbing).
    I do copper annealing with it (20 oz, 18 inch disk)... but it seems to be very slow compare to the oxy-acetylene variety. (Like 1/2 hour for the disk).
    Propane tank -- standard BBQ -- 20 lbs. I don't need to refill too often.

  • @totallyfrozen
    @totallyfrozen 4 роки тому

    No offense to you and your friends, but I wouldn’t trust that homemade tank at high pressure. The design is not the proper shape for high pressure gas. It’s adequate for soft drinks or handheld fire extinguishers, but I wouldn’t trust it for high pressure gas. Interesting video, though. 👍🏻

  • @honda12353
    @honda12353 12 років тому

    for the brazing are you using a acetylene welding tip but with propane

  • @oolcat1
    @oolcat1 12 років тому

    random, how much would it cost to get a small kit or something for brazing, intrested in this very much!

  • @nickjinlin
    @nickjinlin 12 років тому

    how do you refill the homemade cylinder with LP gas

  • @godrenstorm7583
    @godrenstorm7583 9 років тому

    I have found you use 3 x the amount of oxygen per fuel when using propane or natural gas Vs. using Acetylene and oxygen. However if you can get a good deal on oxygen and don't have the means to use Acetylene. This dose work. However your limited on what you can use your torch set for.. your limited by the max heat you can make with the fuel of your choice.. As for me, I tend to use both depending on my needs.. Getting tanks filled is getting very hard to do if you own your own tanks and don t want to surrender your tanks or pay rental rates.. The newer laws and company policy are designed to screw the little guy and give more control to the corporate bussiness.

  • @chinnlab
    @chinnlab 13 років тому

    How do you empty your acetylene tanks (of the porous material)?

  • @apex831
    @apex831 11 років тому

    I just use mapp gas to braze with a rose bud tip, works just as good, but im lazy! Cool idea to add propane to me ac/oxy setup

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  13 років тому

    @vochitoken Yes You can cut plate just like with acetylene

  • @soullessone4681
    @soullessone4681 7 років тому +12

    brazing with propane and oxygen not just propane change your title

  • @voodoopirate86
    @voodoopirate86 13 років тому

    can u cut metal or previous welds with that?

  • @jabird73
    @jabird73 11 років тому

    Just wondering, does that acetylene tank hold 8 CuFt?

  • @davidabraham3873
    @davidabraham3873 10 років тому

    hey did you have to get a different type or set of tips made for propane
    thanks

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  14 років тому

    They are the same. One has acetylene gas in it one has propane liquid in it.

  • @es30381
    @es30381 13 років тому

    sorry, on a side note...... nice mustang. good vid by the way. thanks mate

  • @klcwarchitect
    @klcwarchitect 5 років тому

    I was hoping to see something using just propane

  • @GamingOnTheFritz
    @GamingOnTheFritz 11 років тому

    Can you tack weld with propane?

  • @jonminnella2168
    @jonminnella2168 7 років тому

    do you think this would work if you substitute oxygen for compressed air

    • @Rainaman-
      @Rainaman- 7 років тому

      Jon Minnella yes, but uneffective

    • @senseisecurityschool9337
      @senseisecurityschool9337 4 роки тому

      If you want to use air, there is no need to compress it - just use a standard propane torch which sucks in air.

  • @johncoscia5258
    @johncoscia5258 2 роки тому

    At the risk of being petty the title is misleading , your brazing with Oxy-Propane which ain't the same hence why the two bottles and way more heat . Jealously l only have a propane set up, Bullfinch . A very decent English made unit been around a long time now but the issue still remains regardless of the two gasses being that a Propane flame is oxydizing causing terrible wetting issues as mild steel turns black with this flame . Great for cutting they keep saying but Oxy- propane brazing not so good , l really wish they were wrong but not so unless you have a way around it , fluxes or flame changes ? Thanks for the video , just frustrated now being stuck spinning my wheels on this issue a while .Lol.

  • @anthonygrimes1977
    @anthonygrimes1977 7 років тому +1

    Why use oxy acyteline to join copper pipe,. I can by map gas.

    • @nailbanger489
      @nailbanger489 6 років тому

      anthonygrimes I agree for 1/10th the cost seeing how he is so worried about cost. I’ll bet he has twice the cost if he counted his hours screwing around making shit he doesn’t need.

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  13 років тому

    @CCSinventions That's a great idea I always keep a spare

  • @carlrudd1858
    @carlrudd1858 8 років тому +2

    I can to see about brazing.... not to have a cylinder tour. LOL

  • @robertmunguia250
    @robertmunguia250 12 років тому

    how much are those rosebud tips?

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  13 років тому

    Yeah, you can cut metal or welds or whatever.

  • @charliec4100
    @charliec4100 13 років тому

    good video

  • @icecubepopos6563
    @icecubepopos6563 6 років тому

    can i use my acetylene regulator for propane?

  • @ncarn8
    @ncarn8 11 років тому

    HAHAHA welded the solder sticks together. win.

  • @UpcomingJedi
    @UpcomingJedi 13 років тому

    Not bad but I think they already make an oxy-propane torch.

  • @fpreston9527
    @fpreston9527 7 років тому +1

    overkill

  • @450hp202turbo
    @450hp202turbo 13 років тому

    @351wsvo yes i see a bulldozer wrecker scrap man using it to cut through thick plate amazing ,BBQ gas lol

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  11 років тому

    Acetylene tanks, the small ones very often leak.

  • @mercoldswfo
    @mercoldswfo 4 роки тому

    Kinda Sound like Ryan Reynolds 👍

  • @walterbrunswick
    @walterbrunswick 11 років тому

    you probably turn off your cellphone before you enter a gas station...

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  14 років тому

    @cheeseboat15 When you start buying the stuff you'll know what you're talking about

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  12 років тому

    No you cannot weld with propane

  • @351wsvo
    @351wsvo  11 років тому

    Used to.

  • @walterbrunswick
    @walterbrunswick 12 років тому

    no worries, sorry for being snappy.

  • @chaosinhell666
    @chaosinhell666 12 років тому

    by the way acetylene is hotter than lpg

  • @smartestmanonnet
    @smartestmanonnet 13 років тому

    Yes. Cheap

  • @LaksaMedan
    @LaksaMedan 13 років тому

    Wow . I have been brain washed !! for too long i have been told only acetylene. propane would not be possible

  • @chaosinhell666
    @chaosinhell666 12 років тому

    its called having a death wish

  • @ericsbraun
    @ericsbraun 12 років тому

    that material is asbestos

  • @LILJOJO567
    @LILJOJO567 13 років тому

    touch it

  • @LaksaMedan
    @LaksaMedan 13 років тому

    Wow . I have been brain washed !!

  • @jamesmartin8151
    @jamesmartin8151 6 років тому

    propagandapanda says yeahhhhh

  • @zahersaed8259
    @zahersaed8259 8 років тому

    جميل

  • @RtCarolina
    @RtCarolina 9 років тому

    Gross