How The Internet Makes You Hate Video Games
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2022
- A lot of games (and other media) that are considered "bad" by the critics are actually some of my favourites. Let's talk about how they ruin my life anyway. (And also talk about Chaos Legion because I can)
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Once you figure out how to navigate the bizarre world of never believing any launch review of a AAA game, I've discovered that the most valuable reviews come from a few reviewers I've found with similar tastes to my own. I have a few go-to reviewers who've said "This game is flawed, but I had a lot of fun with it". So I grab the game on sale at some point, and (surprise surprise) I have fun with it.
That's a good way to go about it ^^
Fun is an underrated word in gaming
Sometimes I watch reviews to be Sure If a Game is worth my money and it seems like FPS is far more important than everything else.
This video is such a good reminder that negative reviews get more clicks! Also, screw easy-mode shaming lol sometimes I just want to play a game for good story and not waste several hours fighting the same boss
For real sometimes I don't want to try I just want to vibe
git gud.
Tbh, Chaos legion is one of the few CAPCOM games that I wish to have a reboot, alongside other "forgotten" CAPCOM games, like Breath of Fire series.
I would love to see an un-rushed version of Breath of Fire 4. It is my favorite entry.
Heh, "Chaos Legion". Another of my old favourites that I recently dug up. Have you been spying on my collection?
I remember when "DMC: Devil May Cry" came out I watched a review on this to see if I might like it and was completely turned off of it just on hearing the reviewer describing one scene and the character's reaction to it, so didn't bother buying it. A long time later I picked it up in a sale (it was about 90% off at that point) but still didn't bother playing it. It was much, much later when I needed hard drive space on my PS4 that I decided to give it a go to get it out of the way so I could delete it and what I found was that I had so much fun with it and enjoyed the story so much that I still haven't deleted it.
I know that's another game that still has it's haters, so to them all I can say is: if we both buy a copy of a game that I enjoy but you don't then I win. So there!
I had a hard time playing that because of the color scheme? My head hurts in extended gameplays, it sucks because I enjoyed it a lot. Same problem I have with Borderlands and Disco Elysium.
@@dominiccenteno1233 Just to ask the obvious question, have you tried muting the colours on the monitor or TV you use using the colour setting?
Another example of this phenomenon of the internet/public discourse shaping the way we think about games that I've experienced is that I've caught myself thinking about gaming in general from a perspective that is completely removed from my personal preferences.
These days, I often play games as though I was a critic myself. I think about how what aspect of a presentation is attempting to add this or that to whatever discussion is currently of particular interest to whoever is currently yelling the loudest on social media, for example. Or how a dev or publisher is attempting to capitalize on current trends and the like.
Which may - in theory - be interesting topics to think about, but I've found it has slowly turned me into more and more of a cynic. Not to mention the fact that it's me paying lip service to something I generally could not care less about more often than not. It's as though I'm continuing someone else's discussion.
While I can't be 100 percent sure about whether this development started externally or whether I'm just becoming a curmudgeon, I do know that none of that was part of why I originally started enjoying videogames in the first place.
In any case, I definitely think that online discourse in general - not just in entertainment media - has an intense slant towards the negative and prejudicial and I can't see that being healthy psychologically.
EDIT: Good god I'm rambly.
I'm the same way, almost like I want to make sure I'm ready to say something insightful about the game in case someone asks.
99.9 k subs?!
LET'S FUKKEN' GOOOO!!!
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This earned my subscription. I've been screaming this exact thing into the void for years. Everyone is on a race to reach the peak of irony and outrage but no one wants to talk about the things they actually like about video games. Not every game is Superman 64 or Sonic 06 but based on reviews you'd think every 3rd release was exactly that.
I really enjoyed this video. It's strange how some devs mock easy mode players. Heck I'm extremely visually impaired so easy mode is my go to, in hopes that will somewhat negate the issues I'm going to have. Again great video as always.
Totally with you on this. I hate this "that's not how the dev's intended it to be played" argument.
I'm the one playing it, I'm the one who decides how I play!
That's why I edit every game I play.
@@Andrew-pr9xv Yeah I hear good things about mods. Need to get mor einto pc gaming.
I've rarely seen mockery coming from the devs, it mostly comes from try-hard dweebs, who's only achievement and source of validation in life is beating some scuffed boss on hard mode (which most likely wasn't THAT hard anyway).
@@malcolm4737 That's good it's rare to have devs mock players, but as she points out it does happen. Wasn't it Metal Gear solid 5 that forced you to have a chicken ha tif you playe don easy? I also played a ps1 game once that locked half of the game behind normal mode or hard mode, I forget.
@@reaverofjillsandwiches In MGS V defense, from what I remember, it wasn't so much for playing on easy (the game doesn't have difficulty slider), as in it in itself was an "easy mode" activation - if you failed the mission several times, it was offered to you as an option.
I agree that it's somewhat childish and immature - but then again, it's MGS, so a bit of immaturity is expected, I think.
I really loved how Thanatos went from a phase-shifting murder egg to a time stopping archdemon as you leveled it up.
That's the growth we love to see
You mentioned old Demo Disks. I've mentioned before an old Mega CD Game called "Keio Flying Squadron" (seriously, watch a longplay!). Well they made an error with the free demo disk that made it almost as valuable as the original, even to this day. You see, they'd put the entire game on the demo disk but added a bit of code to reset the game after the first level. What they forgot to do however was remove the Level Skip cheat. This meant that if you had the Demo disk you could get to the end of level 1 and then after it reset put in the code to skip to level 2 and finish the entire game. :)
Oh wow that's brilliant, awful for the developers, but still funny.
I've heard that happen with a couple of demo disks too very funny
@@ProperBird I just looked it up and some people are asking for up to $6000 for the actual game. : /
*100,000 SUBS FOTHERMUCKERS!!!*
Long time coming and well deserved!
Your thoughts on review bias is exactly we have cult classic works. Not just video games, but also movies, shows, anime, etc. Plenty of horror & sci fi works fall into this biases as these genres are more common in breaching the boundary of weird & trends.
Another great video and I completely agree with you here. I often feel like I allow reviews to run my life and, rarely, do I purchase - or download from Gamepass - a game before checking out reviews.
Hideyuki Fukasawa made 2 of my favorite soundtracks of all time. Both Onimusha Dawn of Dreams and Chaos Legion capture an apocalyptic feel.
I feel like the "Western" Silent Hill games are another good example of this phenomena. Most of them are perfectly okay to pretty good horror adventure games that have at least a few redeeming qualities or are better than the sum of their parts.
But most people barely gave them a chance because by then Konami was doing such a poor job of managing the IP and the games had the audacity to live in the shadow of one of the greatest games ever made.
I honestly think a lot of the stories in those SHs are still really intriguing!
It'd help if you gave examples of the games you're talking about... when you say "Western SH" I'm like "...what?"
I love how you have so many videos on games from such an iconic time in gaming. Chaos Legion was a huge fave of mine ❤ I found your channel when I was trying to find reviews for FF10. I was like omg another gamer girl who loves games from the same era!
Came across your Koudelka and Shadow Hearts vids. And this vid's insights have been very helpful!
The comments on Hades' Heat system were really enlightening. I play Arknights, a game with a similar mechanic where during certain events you can add buffs to the enemy and debuffs to your own team, and I wondered why achievements and resources couldn't be gained after a certain point. Other people on youtube show off their "Max Risk (Heat)" clears so it seemed to me that a notable portion of the playerbase would challenge themselves that way
But while those of us who devote too much time into that game might find achieving higher-than-rewarded risks entertaining, it makes sense if the developers want to set a hard cap on difficulty to allow many players to reach it. Set the bar too high, and you risk alienating and exhausting the fanbase. That's something I didn't really consider, thank you!
Oh my. This popped up in my feed for the first time since your wow guides! Good to see you’re still around
I've been uploading pretty consistently, UA-cam's algorithm just prefers daily channels. 😅
I really enjoyed this video, I've always playing games since I was a child and I've developed a anxious behavior playing games in front of anyone, specially my sister and my dad, they've always mocked me for not playing on hard mode or to just being bad at some things (specially puzzles) turns out I'm not that bad but I put so much pressure that I can't act. Just when I've moved out my parents house I've explored this side of "playing should be fun" and not forcing myself into playing hard mode if I don't want to. We should be able to play games even if they're not a masterpiece and even if we're not professional gamers !
The most important thing about art for me is how every individual person experiences it for themselves. Either it speaks to you, or it doesn't. On the internet however, it feels like opinions and experiences are being formed for the individual. Instead of experiencing the piece of media for myself, I looked up online reviews and after a while, it just made me miserable. Especially because I have a very poor self esteem, listening to big UA-camrs takes on art certainly did not make it better. Especially because way too much online "criticism" relys on being as negative as possible, because it get's more clicks. "DISASTER", "TRASH", "GARBAGE" etc., it's so fucking exhausting.
Staying off from the internet and social media and spending more time with myself, in the REAL world, as well as forming my own opinions on the media I'm interested in, gave me a gigantic self esteem boost. I don't care anymore, what big UA-camr XY has to say, instead I value the conversations I have with the people I actually care about. It's so much more fulfilling to me. But that's just my opinion of course :D
Really interesting discussion! One of my favorite animes growing up, that spent a lot of time bouncing in and out of my "Top 3 of All Time," was Fushigi Yuugi. A few years ago I looked it up online, and was shocked to find the reception had been mixed to negative. But for me it was amazing... haven't rewatched in a long time, but bet it still would be, and the music is still in my playlist. I enjoyed The Bouncer too!
This game would probably have been super cool back in the day during PS2 era.. I probably would have been interested in it if I only had played on Sony consoles during that time.
I often have that reverse experience of watching movies with meh reviews and being like "Eh, its okay enough, like I can nitpick stuff, but fun in good company and not really worth complaining about"
Hello, I don't usually visit your channel, but I've always thought you are a great story teller and your Witcher and Stardew content are really enjoyable.
How much is it to request a topic? Like talking about the children of Azathoth? Or comparing the meaning between the few of them?
So legitimately rented this game from Blockbuster back in the day and I liked it but never got too far into it.
Also for your shadow hearts talk so I never actually got to try any of the other shadow hearts games the only one I played when I was younger was From the new world and I really did like it back in the day I loved Frank and his whole silliness and I honestly wonder if I would have enjoyed it as much as I did if I had played the others.
Also love love love me the Onimusha games and loved your video about it. Truly happy to have found this channel.
After watching this, I am now unsure whether I still like unsliced bread.
Writing the response to if the game sounds fun before continuing the video: It does indeed sound fun but if the first thing I was told is that you can summon legions to fight your enemies, I'd be very disappointed to learn that a legion is just a single creature. Not that I would hold that against the game.
Edit: answering the second question: I probably wouldn't want to try it based on what you said of the story but I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Though somewhat unrelated at least regarding Chaos Legion, this sentiment shined so true when it came to Cyberpunk 2077, anytime i said anything positive or anyone really there would be people instantly talking down on the game and it just got so boring so quickly, i personally thoroughly enjoyed it and loved my time with it.
As always i love your topics that you cover Jinzee!
Also also, you're so close to 100k subs! Ahhh, you genuinely deserve it 😄 keep up the stellar work :)
I feel the same about Mass Effect: Andromeda. I no longer care what anyone else says about it, I love that game.
Mass Effect Andromeda would be lauded as a great game if it had a different name. It's only crime was not being as good as the other games in the series.
And Cyberpunk 2077 is one of the best games I've played in the last 6 years.
@@Andrew-pr9xv I initially didn't buy it because it was revealed that the only dlc was going to be multi-player only. Then it launched in the usual badly bugged state. I later got it in a 90% off sale and gave it a try. And I hated it. I kept getting these moments where I'd think something like "Shepard would have put you on your ass for saying that" or "Oh, look, it's the Normandy only not, with the Normandy's theme music only not.
Anyway, I hit a point when I realized that the real reason I didn't like it was that I was so in love with the Normany and her crew that I hadn't made room for the new characters and was doing nothing but comparing ME:A to the original trilogy. Once I accepted that I found Andromeda was not only a really fun game but had a great story to it.
I'm from México, I remember renting this game in a local business that imported very strange, niche games like it. After the first rent I never found it again but I fell in love with it, even though I didn't understand a word of English at the time.
Haha not me understanding "seek" instead of "Sieg" at first but I rolled my eyes heavily that's true and 17 Vigor is all we'd ever need to see a month of really good entertainment in my opinion
What I fail to understand is while early reviews like for Cyberpunk like you said, are so impactful in our perception of a new game release, it seems more and more games come out unfinished these days
Awesome, I also loved both those games, and have similar experiences with reviews. Thanks for the great video!
I think this is such an interesting take. Just recently, I found myself wondering if I was even playing my games the right way - while playing Life is strange and MADiSON with a few friends (two fairly different games in terms of genre and play style 😅) - and even searching for "better solutions" in the internet instead of exploring the games by myself and creating my own unique kind of gameplay and storytelling. For me, there's just this pressure of having "the best possible experiences" instead of just enjoying what's in front of me...
Definitely, that's exactly it! The internet puts a weird amount of pressure on a lot of people.
Your voice is so soothing. I can see you being on a big channel/company like Gamespot or IGN doing review videos.
oh, you're back on youtube. subbed.
I recently discovered this channel, and I’m digging the content.
Glad to hear it!
Welcome Kent! Make yourself at home, it's a good community.
Yes!! Love the thesis statement here. I’ve learned that for any game I genuinely want to play I ignore all reviews and make my own opinions first. I feel much less defensive that way and can actually enjoy things without the pressure of wondering if it’s “good” (tm). I love the way you explained it.
One idea isn't better than the other. But it's up to you. no one is forced to view reviews.
@@DSan-kl2yc yes clearly
I very much think this is in part because people seem to forget to draw the line between subjectivity and objectivity.
The way I learned to draw the line was with music. I realized that I could appreciate an artists work for being objectively important or noteworthy, but subjectively not enjoy it. Conversely just because a piece on music was bad didn't make my enjoyment of it wrong. For Cyberpunk 2077, I think the story fails on every level to tell a compelling cyberpunk story and I have MASSIVE issues with the worldbuilding.... but it was really fun. And at the end of the day, thats all a game needs to be.
I get what you mean with covers. Like with books, European versions are so pretty while North American ones are worse, often deciding to add a person's face to the cover. Going back to games I love playing as a tank in FFXIV, pulling a lot of stuff and doing lots of damage. I know I'm not technically good at it as I don't use my cool downs as best as I should, so I often feel like I best just play DPS as it's enjoyable and I don't have to worry about dragging other people down. So, I definitely get what you mean about people saying you have to play a certain way. Though I'm very glad I have Francis to sometimes play with me and she'll be healer cause I can have fun playing tank as I want as she can handle my shenanigans. This was really great video by the way. I thoroughly enjoyed it and sorry for going a bit off on a tangent. ❤
Your beginning rant about covers reminds me of NakeyJakey's video about that.
Enjoying video games? That's ILLEGAL, Jinzee.
Great video as always. Also... I really want to check out Chaos Legion now. :D
Well you know what they say, be gay do crimes. 😌
Im sure you've heard already, but in the wierd case you didnt: there's a double kickstarter campaign right now, from the creators of wild arms and shadow hearts, they are making spiritual successors of both franchises (Armed Fantasia & Penny Blood), it would be cool if you could make a video talking about it so you can spread the word
thanks!
This was a great watch. Thank you
Thank you so much, what a fascinating review and discussion! 🙆♀️
I agree with you on basically everything except for I kinda enjoy when games have playful names for the different difficulty settings lol.
I resonate so much with this review. Nothing but fond memories of Chaos Legion!
For me Chaos Legion was a “well, I bought it and this is all my game money for the next x amount of time so by God I’m playing it at least 3 times through.” games.
Fond memories, though. I remember you could uppercut enemies into the air and have the little crossbow guys juggle them.
Man you deserve more views, your content has a refreshing take on some more niche JRPGs. Really dug the Shadow Hearts vids.
Don't worry too much. We come to Proper Bird specifically to find the in-depth part of the under the radar games; or at least I do.
Also use Volt, he can just keep dive-bombing everyone in the Bouncer.
I'm a Kou main, I like the kicks :p
Another for you if you don't know it is "Gungrave" on the PS2, which in many ways is a classic betrayal/revenge story but has a lot more depth when you look into it. They've done an anime series of it which is really good.
Just to follow on from my above comment, if you haven't seen Gungrave I highly recommend it. The game itself had a servicable enough plot, but it was about 1% character development and 99% bullets flying all over the place (at least watch the intro movie to the game if you can). For the anime they reversed it so while the action scenes are really good they're not the focus. It's more like 1% bullets and 99% getting to know how these people are and why they act the way they do. It's now one of my favourite anime series. They did a sequel game called "Gungrave: Overdose", which was ok but didn't have anything like the same depth.
@@cord113 I second everything said by you, if not the game, anime is a "Must Watch". Also, wasn't the 3rd game announced in 2021 too?
@@erichzannbusoumuzan It's called Gungrave: G.O.R.E.
I've seen the trailers and some of the gameplay and I'm undecided on it at the moment. He looks a little too acrobatic. The original Grave was basically a tank.
i recently found you, but i love your use of ff9 music
I think it is a right decision to hold on playing CP2077 until its final form. Despite me loving the game, I still have so much gripes with the game & CDPR as a whole. I simply can't turn that off. You know, the basic disappointment stuffs, etc.
I can't remember if I commented elsewhere saying that I didn't realise where you were from. I thought your accent was very similar to mine.
The weirdness that hit me was that I seem to have been recommended people who (well, potentially) speak the language I have been trying to learn just out of interest. I had never updated anything anywhere and even if I did, well it's still recommending people talking in English so it's a very curious case lol.
Anyway, I came back to this video to show my brother who is very uptight about the games he plays and what he finds out
WOO NEW PROPER BIRD VIDEO DROPPED!
Amazing video and a really interesting topic that I was recently thinking about. I've been playing games for roughly 25 years now and I definitely had a period where I would "follow the words of the angry crowd", but over the last 5-6 years I learned not to take other people's opinions as facts, they are just that, opinions. I do read/watch reviews but at the end I am the one that makes the choice, if I like what I see and think I would enjoy it, I'll buy it. This way I enjoyed plenty of "bad games" that I would otherwise probably not have played. Anyway, I really dislike this outrage culture, it's like a group of people that just waits for a game not to meet their expectations and then shred it to pieces online like it's the worst thing ever.
Regarding achievements: I very much enjoyed Mass Effect but with my pathological need for the best ending I feel rising pressure to make the right decisions ending in me quitting emotionally drained after one hour because I spent 10 minutes on decision making...
Great video. Great jacket. 10/10.
When you mentioned "games critics don't like" I immediately though of THE BOUNCER lol. Glad I'm not the only one that liked it. (Same thing for Chaos Legion)
I got this game really cheap, love it. Very underrated gem. I still have my physical copy in my PS2 collection... Oh and I love the Chaos Legion main theme, I would listen to it all the time back then.
What an amazing video. Exactly my feelings. Thank you!
This video actually describes exactly what happened to Castlevania 64... a lot of people have been calling the worst of the series and I honestly believed that until I got to play it, the game is not bad despites some flaws for being one of the earliest 3d Castlevanias, but suffered a lot due to the reviews of Legacy of Darkness which, was not a bad game but it had a lot of things that got repeated between playthroughs... sometimes we let our judgement be swayed by people who we look up to.
I have also played Chaos Legion and I loved it as a child and I am surprised to see how many people say they hate it.
Well said. The game industry and community definitely has a problem with the idea that a game can simply be...decent. Average. Okay. You see this in the review scores too; most outlets seem to use a 5-10 grading, not a 1-10 scale.
Rant:
I recently ran into this very problem myself when I played a game called Hauma. It has...problems. The ideas are cool but the execution is rough to say the least. I even ran into a gamebreaking bug that forced me to start my playthrough anew.
While I was writing my Steam review, I hesitated the entire time whether I should give it a thumbs-up or not. My preference would've been a neutral rating, but Steam doesn't allow that; I can either recommend the game or not. I can either be positive or negative. And that just perfectly encapsulates how people seem to think about games.
I did end up giving the game a positive review. Despite its many problems, I just couldn't see the game as bad. It was mediocre, but I enjoyed poking around in it. However, my only way to express this was by writing a sizeable review outlining what the game does, because the rating system on Steam is so inflexible.
I doubt many people will see that review and I suspect even fewer will read it in its entirety. The nuance that forms my opinion on that game will be forever lost under the thumbs-up I gave it. And the thumbs-up is the only thing that contributes to the game's reception.
Have you removed the witcher 2 lore through?
Hit that bell people. I was missing my proper bird content and didn't see this vid.
Sieg's a hella rad name tho. Imagine being named "Victory"
I loved the bouncer!
First off you're about to hit 100k subs really proud of the growth here and on Twitch
Second, I agree, Resonance of Fate is a game I thoroughly enjoy but is usually mixed also most Sonic games fall into this bucket.
Third, however, I can see why consumers depend on reviews. Games cost $60 + add-ons and so on. No one wants to regret a purchase.
I absolutely loved Resonance of Fate, in particular they way they shifted up the battle music once you'd set up your moves and set them in motion. :)
@@cord113 agree that game has one of the most unique gameplay styles for a real time strategy game I really wanted it to get a sequel or spin off
This video is very relevant to my current gaming endeavor, which is to collect everything I didn't lock myself out of in Elden Ring before attempting the final boss. I have my list of collectibles on hand, the wiki on another screen, and man the amount of bashing the ENTIRE GAME AS A WHOLE gets from some people in the comments when they decide one weapon is not 100% perfectly balanced in insane sometimes. "From Software cannot code for s***", "Poor little indie game company cannot afford to balance anything", and so on. Meanwhile Elden Ring is a huge, expansive game with a gorgeous art style, super rewarding exploration, nearly infinite customization options,... but this specific weapon is a little too good and allows anyone to beat the game without any effort (it doesn't), so the game is trash. What.
I think a lot a people didn't spend enough time with the game to truly understand the intricacies of the different Legions. They came in expecting a game similar to Dynasty Warriors or Devil May Cry, but they got neither. Though flawed, Chaos Legion is a great example of the experimental game designs big-name developers and publishers toyed with in that era.
Great Video, review Devil May Cry yet?
Oh my god i remember this game!!
LMFAOOO THE LIL SKIT ABOUT THERAPY
We all need a little voice inside our head to give us that push. 😌
I had the exact experience with a game called drakengard to the letter. Loved as a young teen. Found out as an older teen it had a bad rep. Played again and almost only saw the flaws.
Been trying to grapple a lot with positivity these days. Seeking it out when I can and and I'm starting to get over that hump to where now I can just enjoy things. Still read reviews here amd there though I gotta admit, most times I don't get a lot out of them. Mainly I know my own tastes well enough by now to be pretty sure whether I'll like something regardless of what I hear about it.
I loved Drakengard! Sometimes weird games are the best games.
@@ProperBird they really are! You can say a lot of things about drakengard but you can't say it's bland lol. Still holding out for a drakengard 4. Pls yoko taro!
I never played the original, but I have Drakengard 2 and it's one of those games that I never saw the real ending to as you only got to see that on Hard mode and the final boss kept nuking me.
Plus I saved up for ages to get the Regeneration item only to find that it's useless unless you want to keep leaving the battlezone and hiding in a corner for 5 minutes at a time while it does it's job...
At first, I thought your accent was British. Then I listened to you more further in the video and I was beating myself up trying to figure it out and I checked your UA-cam info/bio and saw you are from the Netherlands 🥹☺️ My apologies from not recognizing your Dutch accent 💓
Another quick one for you. I've been going through my PS2 collection again and one game I thought you might find interesting, both for the story as well as how people felt the PS2 version was handled, is "Maken Shao - Demon Sword". If you don't already know that one then give it a look when you have time.
I'll check it out!
Huh…. I think Proper Bird has a point. I’ve ordered Saints Row. Loved 2 and 3 although 4 got kind of out of hand so got kind of excited about a reboot. But watched a review yesterday and now I’m not sure I want it anymore….
Dude same. I loved saints row even when it was considered a worse gta clone, I haven’t even seen the reviews all I have was the video titles saying it was terrible and I haven’t even bought it because of that. That is a bit sad thinking about it.
18:00 Thank god for steam next fest
Chaos legion is the best hack n slash game I played growing up during ps2 era . I loved DMC but after beating them I felt empty like what else is there to do. Instead with chaos legion I kept revisiting and grinding out leveling my legions. But it's also the reason I Bought Astral Chains which is like the Switch's Verizon of this game . But I still go back and revisit CL every now and again .
Love shown for Chaos Legion - I sub. Simple as that.
Wait... also love for Koudelka and Onimusha? If I could double and triple sub - I would.
But on topic: The only thing that makes you hate a videogame more than a bad faith critic who is just looking to mock something for cred is the person who overpraises one game and causes you to hate it by association. Chaos Legion is part of that PS2 era of highly experimental action games when devs were still poking around what works and what doesn't - it doesn't change the fact that controlling legions was a novel idea and something that was only (somewhat) recently redone with Astral Chain in 2019. Yeah, Chaos Legion was a mid-budget game with not the best quality, but at least it was interesting in what it did.
Personally I go by the metric:
Game sounds/looks interesting = I play it
Game sounds/looks meh = Usually only if my friends want to play it.
Game sounds/looks shit = I pass
Also, my main source of information is official marketing material or my friends. I hardly ever read or watch reviews, and when I do I mostly click through them because it's pretty boring listening to someone cry about how a game should be made or why a game is too difficult.
This was me with Dragon Age 2, I loved the hell out of that game, only found out it was supposed to be bad when I started following the release of Dragon Age Inquisition, then I realised everyone hated it except for me (it felt like at the time).
Also Cyberpunk 2077 really has a fantastic story and characters and did from the start. I’m, as they say in reading communities, a “character focused reader”, and if a game gets me to fall in love with the cast I’m gonna enjoy the heck out of it. Haters gonna hate. 😂
Oh hey, a fellow DA2 enjoyer, nice!
While I understand the issues people have with that game, I thought the small scale of the story and the focus on politics and feasible philosophy made for a great experience.
I love DA2, it has some of my favourite characters in the series!
I enjoyed DA2, not so much with DAI. I honestly prefer the combat system of DA2, instead of DAI.
this is exactly how i feel lately. even watching reviews after you play the game may affect your appreciation to it. I abolustely LOVED twelve minutes, and avengers, aand No Man's Sky. But reading reviews took me away from trying them for years. I quit watching reviews of games i want to play.
"aand No Man's Sky. But reading reviews took me away from trying them for years."
In case of NMS that was actually a good thing. They really turned the game around over the years with a lot of patches.
hmm, I might have to check this game out. Never heard of it before.
Btw, did you die your hair blue ironically or just cuz?
Blue hair?! I love it!! 😍😍
Thank you! 😁
I loved The Bouncer when I played it. Think I rented it from Blockbuster. Never finished it, but found the hate for it... Weird
I avoided FF15 for 5 years on account of the negative press. I bought the Royal Edition on a steep discount for $6.50 brand new at Best Buy and am loving it so much that I'm at 140 hours and still only halfway through the main story. Next up is the FF13 trilogy that I never gave a chance for the same reason.
The new fashion now is:
Why Jon Doe s game is bad!
Later...
Why i was wrong about Jon Doe s game!
Much later...
I revisited Jon Doe s game!
Gosh! I used to love this game!
I can't even remember if I have played Chaos Legion. But it is very likely, since i played everything back then! 😊
I’m playing Cyberpunk right now, after having it for 2 years lol. I had to leave my ps4 on all night while it downloaded all the patches before I finally got to play it. I love it so far, tbh. I ignore the internet when it comes to games I want to play. Reviews are only helpful if I’m on the fence
Yeah, this is basically the reason why I've stopped watching UA-camrs who have incredibly angry personas in their videos since listening to their reviews of games has made me ignore games that ended up becoming some of my all-time favorites later on.
Enjoyable video
It's sad to see people on the internet (and offline too, from my experience) try to make others feel bad for liking something that they don't because it has some noticeable flaws. I've been one of those people and I understand why it's an issue. It's the same reason why T.V. shows like Mystery Science Theater 3000 are so enjoyable: it's fun to make fun of things you don't like with others. But there are things, even in bad games, movies, etc. that are genuinely good and make people happy.
When I voice a negative opinion about a game, etc. I'll try to state clearly "I don't like this" so that it sounds subjective, rather than objective. It's my preference that has me feeling that way, not anything solid in the work. Also, I phrase it that way to hopefully avoid implying that I think people who do like whatever piece of work are lesser in whatever way. So it's not "This game is so stupid, I don't understand why anyone would like it!" to "I don't like this game, because X, Y, and Z ruin the experience and fun for me."
I mean, I've really had to emphasize that when WoW became the juggernaut that it did. I tried it multiple times, and could just never get into it. I've tried other MMORPGs, and I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like those kinds of games. It happens.
I'll give a couple of more positive examples of me either trying something that I heard bad reviews on, or liking something that has a lot of negative criticism. For the former example, I will cite a game from the XB360/PS3 era called "X-Blades". It's a deeply flawed hack-and-slash game with very flat characters. The characters really have no personality at all, with the most notable thing about the player character being her ridiculously skimpy outfit. I decided to try the game out after seeing it on sale for $2USD and wow was it a mess! I had a lot of fun riffing on it to friends, though. However, the game's flaws also helped me to realize and appreciate something else: hack-and-slash games actually sound really difficult to do well. The mechanics are such that they have to provide the player with a diverse number of attacks, encourage them to use all those attacks in different combos, make the camera behave so that the players can see what they're doing, point out environmental advantages, secrets, etc. without holding the player's hand, and really do all of this without making it obvious. With that realization, I did actually come to appreciate the game, though I won't say I liked it. It also encouraged me to seek out that studio's follow-up; "Blades of Time". That game still has a number of flaws, but the devs learned from a lot of the flaws of their previous venture!
For an example of the latter, a game that I thoroughly enjoy, but other people do not, look not further than "Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain". Oh boy. So...the story? It's uhmm...well one of the criticisms I've heard is that the story doesn't really make any sense. I agree with that criticism. Another criticism is that there are weird examples of fanservice that make people uncomfortable, particular concerning a side character named Quiet. I agree with this criticism as well. Unfortunately, MGSV is not really a game you can just jump into with no knowledge of the previous installments. It is a VERY weird game, but if you have played the other MGS games, you know that's Kojima's hallmark. There are a lot of plot mechanics that are clunky because of the number of things that Kojima has retconned. Some people, myself included, have learned to just shrug and roll with it. But if somebody tells me they don't like the game, I'll say "Oh yeah, I don't blame you."
Oh hell yeah. I loved Chaos Legion. The soundtrack was absolutely bonkers.
I honestly had to relearn how to just... enjoy things.
I've always had a certain tolerance for janky/buggy games, due to growing up with older tech. Our PC growing up was always second hand and so if a game ran at all, that was fine.
Then in highschool I got really into competitive games, and "playing the right way", I spent more time upset at games I was playing than anything. One day I just... stopped. I decided it was better to try and find why things were fun, instead of nitpicking for reasons to decide it was bad. The last 8 years or so of gaming, and enjoying media in general, for me have been great! Some of my favorite games have been weird and a bit buggy, and when people are ripping apart a show or movie adaptation over details I'm usually just pleasantly enjoying a it.
Barely remember any of the story other than the names, but I used to really like that game.
Good video! I'd even go so far to say that some people hate games after reading good reviews. Just to be a contrarian.
Absolutely, going against the grain for the sake of it.
Chaos legion was fun barring the story,seems Astral Chain has the legions gameplay as a spiritual successor.