Before you buy the AMD 7900 XTX..
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0:00-1:12 - intro + specs
1:13-3:53 - gaming
3:54-5:36 - power
5:37-6:32 - ray-tracing
6:33-8:22 - streaming
8:23-9:18 - production
9:19-10:00 - thermals
10:01-10:42 - closing thoughts
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For anyone curious about the power draw, at idle my 7900 XTX is down to 9w - 15w at desktop. They've fixed the power draw in a recent driver update. I've heard many other people say that their multi monitor/multiple refresh rate monitors are also much lower than when it launched.
Thanks man
Thank you for update 😊
Is that reference or what type of card?
@@righteousone8454 XFX Merc
is there anything else that has changed, or is this video still acurate? i wanna build a new pc for high refresh rate 1440p gaming and some light work, but not sure if i wanna spend 2,000 + new monitors right now
good to know, been looking at going all in with a new build
That's a slick looking reference card
Especially next to the rtx fe designs
Lmao wait till the 3rd party manufacturers get their hands on it and release the ugliest cooler designs known to mankind
@@prithvib8662 alot are but there are some nice ones. The XFX ones don't look half bad
The ASRock one looks pretty cool
@@prithvib8662 pretty much all except Asus
I LOVE the price per frame breakdown with the percent graphs. This is such an effective way to compare the cards, and I hope that this will show up in future videos!
It's been the hallmark of HardwareUnboxed channel, this.
New here?
Yes, it's the only thing that really matters in the end. I don't care if the card is fast, I want to know how much I get for my money.
@@michaelzomsuv3631 Not really. It's even more important to see if the fps are consistent.
@@michaelzomsuv3631 Price to performance does not matter in the high end. It’s literally about which is the fastest best product.
The LTT review said the AMD cards have significant differences in power draw based on the monitor they're attached to. That's a pretty obscure thing to test (and it's on AMD to fix it), but it's worth noting that the power draw picture may be better or worse than is represented here.
@Chett_Manly 103W multimonitor idle? Wtf
@Chett_Manly definitely driver bug
@@saidalcapone3964 No it's not driver bug. They gave an answer to PC Games Hardware (german) that this is by design. Some people say it's because of the new chiplet design, to be stable this card needs higher memory clocks which results in more power consumption. So if you run 1080p with this card, you're good to go. For high resolution displays or multi monitor u better pick something else.
It seems that the monitor it plugs into may just cause memory to spike to the highest nominal clock for no apparent reason. I know because I dropped 30W power usage by adjusting the monitor refresh rate and idle clock dropped from 1750 to 400mHz.
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk :O
i can buy two 7900xtx for less than price of 4090
That’s why I bought my TaiChi Rx7900XTX and I loved it
no
@@buff9267 womp womp
4090 is the most powerful gpu out rn, so...
@@Codyslx ya so charge people any amount for it.
Just a quick unsolicited real price chart, 8 months later, here in Italy: 7900 XTXs are about 1200/1400€, 4080s are being selled for 1600/1800€ and 4090s are ranging from 2100 to 2500€. Insanity never left since late 2020.
4090 is 1700 now
We already knew it wasn't gunna compete with the 4090. We also knew it would lose when it came to productivity and ray tracing. Even after all that it's actually surprising how good amd did. 4k is competitive and 1080p and 1440p performance is crazy. Good fight for the real ones.
This looks like copium but yeah its actually pretty good
ahh yes productivity and ray tracing, both measurements that I can live my whole life without.
however, it's not all AMD fanboying just yet. They have to fix those power draw numbers
@@iloveorganicchem6921 definitely pure copium
"We already knew"
*Shows fake charts comparing 7900XTX being 95% of 4090 performance based on AMD's numbers*
@@mag3slay4what? Go watch the presentation again.
This is super encouraging for the 7600 and 7700 cards. RT I imagine is less important for us mid range buyers and the later release dates will hopefully come with improved drivers especially for idle power and improved AV1 support in OBS and hopefully soon for Twitch and YT.
True, $530 3090 performance I’m thinking right
I see youre an amd shill praising them whenever they fart. Nvidia is just beteer this year stol coping lil bro
@@FIVESTRZ 400$
and at 150W
@@GewelReal very optimistic
@@adamek9750 gotta start somewhere
I reckon enabling SAM/PCIe rebar for both is better given XMP is being enabled which is already not out of the box defaults.
Yeah I find the disabling of SAM/rebar truly puzzling from an otherwise tech savvy guy
yea
I prefer to see what the card can do...not how many outliers rebar can create in the benchmarks
SAM or Resizable BAR should be activated on every GPU/CPU combo nowadays...
@@samgoff5289 You can activate them on both AMD and Nvidia, so its fair in the end. 99% of System where these cards go into support this feature and should enable it.
good video and covering some points that other reviews didnt do. Such as the streaming part at 6:33
Thanks
Most thorough and informative but also neat and laconic review. You are awesome, man! Keep it up!
Phenomenal content, I love the way you do the side by side comparisons. Enjoy your success 🎉
Thank you for testing video encoding, haven't seen this anywhere else!
9:50 thank you so much for that real-test noise. ❤
I was looking for it in everywhere.
Awesome visuals and testing as always. You’ve easily become one of the best sources for fast appealing information when it comes to PCs
Out of all the tech youtubers, I always pick your videos first. Thanks for everything you do.
Really? He’s one of the most mid tech channels.
@@salsa83 Why did you feel obligated to tell me this? That is your opinion in the end. Regardless of the truthfulness of that claim, I enjoy his videos anyway.
@@salsa83 Name your top tech channels
@@handsomesquidward151 Gamers Nexus, Hardware unboxed, LTT.
@@salsa83 he actually plays games, most techtubers don't.
H.264 has definitely improved compared to the previous, maybe tickering with settings and better software optimization like. Nvidia just received will assist in that. There's some hope with OBS 29, as it's expected to support AV1 fully and the new encoders from Nvidia, Intel and AMD. once it's out of beta. AMD can also optimize its encoding stacks with drivers as well.
Good review with power consumption topic too :) looking forward if they can fix it on idle/low loads. If yes then I’ll jump :)
Optimum Tech, given the bigger power draw, can you recommend this card in place of the RTX 4080 from your recent "ITX Perfection - Tiniest 4080 PC" video? Or perhaps, suggest some changes in parts to accommodate 7900 XTX into the T1 case?
your review is one of the best because you are showing the exact same cutscenes rendered with different gpus ty so much for this video
Ali, please test the temps in various ITX cases. We want to know if we want the reference model is the go-to model for specific cases.
very compelling. great review. hopefully AMD can fix that idle power consumption soon. I'd love to see what this can do undervolted / power limited as well.
Don't know if it'll ever be fully on par with monolithic designs, Ryzen still has somewhat higher idle consumption all the way to 5000 series due to chiplet design & IO die, haven't seen the number for 7000 series.
@@deviouslaw yes the infinity fabric becomes unstable at lower power. This has been the problem all along and if it was fixable they would of never allowed this to be released with idle power at 100 watts???
It’s insane basically makes these cards worthless. I think now looking back at the Radeon presentation video for the 7900 Lisa’s face did look like someone just ran over her dog…
She did not look super happy are enthusiastic… and the fact they spent more time taking about the display port instead of the performance… yeah AMD fucked up big time.
@@JoeWayne84 and people were complaining about the 4090s power consumption when actually the 40 series is insanely power efficient
@@funtourhawk the main problem is its 2-3x overpriced, not power usage.
@@JoeWayne84 let's hope those drivers come in to save the day in time
Very compelling card. Personally not looking to upgrade my 3080 at the moment. I’d rather upgrade my monitor and cpu first.
very smart.
Cpu bottleneck will be even more this generation.
I just wished 3080 would get DLSS3+FG or I guess FSR3+FG is fine too.
Yes, if you already own 3080, better upgrading monitor first. I just bought LG OLED C2 42" and the visual upgrade vs my old 32" VA monitor is huge.
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Holy moly what is that power draw at idle?! Thanks for testing this!
Hope you're going to look at the thermals and noise in mini ITX cases too!
Don't really understand why resizable BAR was disabled, seems to be pretty standard to have that on now as all modern motherboards support it.
The hardware supports it, but the games might not. Resizable bar can degrade fps for some games, while increases in others. Its not consistent.
@@tanphan1848 Can you explain how it would degrade fps.
THANK YOU FOR ADDING POWER CONSUMPTION GRAPH COMPARED TO COMPETITION
AMD's streaming performance with AV1 looks like its got some kind of sharpening effect compared to Nvidias. Its pretty noticeable around UI elements and areas of high contrast.
looking at it historically, the amd gpus have always improved drastically with time, due to multiple great software updates. Even if that might not be the case this time (since they said they kinda redid their entire driver thingy), they will definetly fix the weird happenings between different dirextX versions, high power draw on idle and in some situations and hopefully general driver customization options. i am confident that this is the best card for anyone not absolutely needing Raytracing, and it should only get better in the future, since the XTX comes with 8GB more VRAM aswell, so i really hope for some longevity on that part.
Overall great review, really like the way you developed your channel and how you grew with the videos. Cheers!
Excellent perspective and incredibly concise video. BRAVO!!
Glad to see ACC is used in the benchmark!
I can't wait for the video on the undervolting of the rx 7900. I think this generation will be very interesting on this subject
My first GPU review from you. EXCELLENT work. Graphs made sense, good pacing through the video, and no obvious signs of bias. 10/10!
No bias except for turning of rebar
@@riba2233 Uh what?
@@AKing4B33r what what? He turned of rebar/sam even though there is absolutely no need and amd gpus benefits from it
I love to see you to do more review like this. This is clean, fast paced, informative and right on the point.
bro the rollercoaster on this one, the start was amazing!- but still, nice videocard
Top notch quality review yet again my man 💯
Those frame times though, looks like less spikes on RDNA3.
I like this review, short yet complete (rt perf, raster perf, power, rendering, streaming). All you need to know.
Thanks for including Assetto Corsa Competizione in the testing. Much appreciated.
1:52 Bro, those frame time graphs are crazy, I can't believe you're ignoring them
That's like a difference of going from 60 to 100 in terms of game feel
this is the reason why i'm considering a 7900xtx, i'm having issues with micros stutters on my 4070ti, seems to be an nvidia driver issue with display stream compresion.
9:03 it won't be for much long though. Blender is adding support for HIP-RT in the next version. Finally an Optix competitor. It would be nice to show how 7900 XTX is performing against CUDA.
HIP-RT probably will come on Blender 3.5
@@blank141, it is
Great review, very informative! 😊👍 Appreciate the detailed analysis.
Awesome review, did you look for coil noise?
1:51 are we just not going to mention how much smoother the frame times are on AMD? or nah?
Bought an RX 6600 XT for $250 on Black Friday. I'm more than happy with the performance and it competes well with the 3060. Can't wait to see what the RX 7600 XT is like
shout out to you mate for including ACC in your tests cheers
Thank you for this great comparison!
thank you for being the only person who actually did encoding on the 7900xtx in their review today
I went and bought the Arc a770! I’m happy so far. As long as Intel continues to support the GPU with updates etc, my experience with it will just get better.
Arc GPUs make zero sense other than for enthusiasts who like beta testing new hardware. But I respect your donation to Intel, hopefully they have competitive GPUs in the future
@noodleswarriorintraining What over price?
RX 6000 series is fckinf great in price to performance and better power efficient than INTEL GPU with more FPS.
@@michaelan9688 thanks man. I bought something that makes no sense. side note though, I also own Intel stock, but I’m sure you’ll find that to not make sense either. 😂
@@chrisofnyc3936 Intel GPU LOL
Can't wait to get my hands on the XTX. My Fury is starting to show its age and I sold my Vega when the prices on GPU's went sky high.
rip power bill.
good video, one piece of feedback - switching which side of the screen the AMD v Nvidia card metrics were displayed on frequently was frustrating
On the contrary, to me, the Blender results seems promising. If 7090 HIP is as fast as 3080 OptiX, when OptiX-equivalent for AMD comes with Blender 3.5, it will beat 3080.
It's even more attractive, today. 7900 xtx is coming down to the $900-$1000 range, while prices on the Nvidia cards have barely budged.
I really wonder how these issues will translate, if at all, to the mobile segment. I was really looking to upgrade from my mobile 1050 4 GB (sputtering in anything that looks better than TF2), but the Nvidia -70 GPU is still gimped at 8 GB of VRAM, so that’s off the table.
May it be that time allows AMD to release its own mobile GPU’s (which will hopefully offer far more value for 1440p gaming) without the power sucking or wonky drivers.
wasnt expecting the power draw there ...
I hope we get follow up videos with sam & OC enabled with both ddr4 and ddr5, especially for comp games where 1% fps matters.
anyways, well done as always OT! definitely the best at making clean, honest & consistent reviews 💯
1% fps DONT matter in games, being good matters more than anything else. if you suck at 1000fps, you still suck, if youre great and only have 10fps, you'll still spank the guy that sucks at 1000fps
@@bradhaines3142 What are you talking about ? lol
@@bradhaines3142 10 fps really? no way man. very irrelevant talk
Goodness. although AMDs flagship still loses from Nvidias flagship, just showing how far they have come. I hope they still keep the pricing when they are finally on par or beating the competition.
How does it lose tho
@@projekt84 hes talking about the nvidia flagship, which for now is the 4090. The 7900 XTX definitely loses against it.
@@projekt84 Loses to 4090 and loses to 4080. You get that 200$ in power savings eventually. Longer you go you save more money. During all these years you will enjoy your RAY TRACING and better reliable driver releases. Oh my god AMD got their ass whooped.
@@col.hanslanda2013 Amd drivers are literally better than Nvidia ones right now. Its not 2019. Plus the 6900xt gained 10-15% performance in driver updates and there's no reason to believe 7900xtx won't.
@@col.hanslanda2013 assuming you use RTX. Also driver stability is debatable. I had as many crashes on AMD as with Nvidia. Also for developers who need to use Linux AMD is preferred (Nvidia works but has quirks)
what is up with the power at idle? How bad was coil whine? did the fans ever stop just idling at desktop?
SAM/Rebar testing would be preferred since both support this by now and these days one should not be playing without it.
I feel like the reason the AMD cards aren't as power efficient is because of its mix of 5nm and 6nm chip usage. Physics determines power efficiency there, but I am excited to see how AMD and game developers tune their software to optimize these cards.
meh it does not matter performance per dollar matters more then power efficiency with gpu's
well nvidia clearly ahead, but 6nm 5000 series ryzens are very efficient so no prob, on power area
actually theyre 7nm
Flawless out of box review. ITX guy myself would like to encourage you to run undervolting findings! Keep the awesome work.
Yeah, amd has been very good with low power draw efficiency with their processors lately so I’m willing to bet the 7900xtx also follows that trend
tysm for adding the OW2 power consumption as it is quite significant (1440p). can you add an update after some driver optimization from amd?
5:05 I am pretty sure there was an issue that got fixed with power consumption
Man, Im excited for these new cards but more excited for price dumps on Radeon 6000 cards 😁
Pretty surprised. Usually AMD is the one with more efficient cards but now similar performance but higher power usage
The process Nvidia uses is superior, it’s TSMC’s 5nm vs 4nm.
@@patuel1it's not because of that. It's a bug that AMD is already looking at. 100w at idle doesn't have anything to do with process node, it's too much.
If I had either of these cards I'd enable resizable BAR-Would prefer the comparison with it on for both.
Awesome review as always.
I wonder if the gaming OC 7900XTX will be better for mini ITX cases, its 2 slot and slightly longer than the reference card
It's 2 slot? WHAAAAAT
@@joaohenriquemartins1666 the xtx is 2.3 slots so yes it fits in most itx cases
@@Matthijsz oh. 2.3 dont work on mine. Got only 43mm of clearance :(
@@joaohenriquemartins1666 Maybe you'll get it to fit with removing the shroud
Top end GPU’s are not great for mini ITX cases.
7900 XTX and RTX 4080 is pretty much the same performance in rasterization. Would you pay $200 more for better power efficiency, DLSS 2/3, and for better ray tracing performance? What if NVIDIA drop the MSRP for $100 less for the 4080. Which one is gonna be the better deal?
Yeah I was really excited about the 7900xtx, but with even good partner 4080 models costing $1250 now and entry level partner 7900xtx models are looking to cost $1100, they both look like awful buys. This gpu would have been an easy buy at $ 700 but AMD once again deciding to slide just under Nvidia’s pricing is going to ruin them.
@@_Clivey did they? Thats disastrous for amd
@@_Clivey Unless the 4080 is $999 and magically gets 10% more performance, it doesn't have better $ per FPS
@@Wobbothe3rd it doesn't
@@_Clivey false information
Thank you soo much for showing idle power consumption! Mainly bad idle performance, but also bad VR performance made me ditch my rx 5700xt for an rtx 3070 in 2020.
Thanks for showing me this vid I was thinking about buying one due to the average being slightly different and the price but the power consumption is just insane.
Wouldn't resizable bar be more logical? Most users buying this will have it enabled?
you can enable it in every nvidia game as well, but then he has to go and retest all the gpus from scratch with rebar so kinda dumb
@@eliashabash7591 nvidia doesn't recieve much perf. uplift if any at all for reBar, retesting would take time but 99% of people will enable it anyway
IMO even with the bigger power draw, the 7900 XTX is still the clear better alternative for gaming over the 4080 (unless you care about RT). Looks like the power draw issue is fixed now + you can just undervolt. Even if the price was equal, I'd still lean towards the 7900 XTX, cuz NVIDIA skimping on VRAM for a 1440p - 4k card is kinda omegalul
I'm thinking of running this in an NCase M1, I'm wondering if it would be possible for you to test it in one and see how it does.
0:33 Minor correction: it's Gddr 6x for 4080 &90 not 6
Glad I got the 4090 last week
Yay. Been waiting all day for your video
Any thoughts on the updated HDMI spec on AMD cards?
Just waiting to see your undervolt power, heat and noise results
I think it's early driver teething issues. They all use US as their beta testers. By the end of 2nd qtr. next year I am sure it will perform better. I can see why the delay in releasing the card. I guess AMD will be hiring even more driver developers to catch up with Nvidia. Hardware wise they are close the just need drivers to exploit the hardware better under windows. I wonder what the Linux performance is like? Well we will know soon LevelOne techs will go thru all of it.
Why as much as I want I can’t go AMD. I had so many bad experiences with the 5700xt
The power usage are INSANE! Thanks for letting us know. I hope more youtuber are inspired by thorough test like you.
is undervolting does its job good here as the 7000 amd cpus?
Great info dude.
AMD cards age very well, launch benchmak numbers will only improve as AMD optimises these games further.
Team green is way ahead of competition, world always brace underdogs .
I don't think anyone thinking spend 1000+$ on performance device will calculate $ to prame rate ratio.
Could you do frame timings?. I found raw rasterized images on amd gpus to look much sharper than Nvidia from past gpus I owned.
Great vid ! Thanks
by far the best tech youtuber
@Optimum Tech would nice really nice if you did a follow up, to see how things are nearly half a year later.
I need to look for videos that rate current games that came out this year
Optimum is the most unbiased reviewer i know, and trust me 90% of reviewers are biased and paid to lie, I salute you man.
It's December 2023, and now you can buy two 7900XTX cards for the price of one 4090.
try undervolting the card instead of waiting for AMD to fix it?
BEAST CHANNEL! you really care the power consumption while idle and 1440p, but other channels were talking something useless.. i never dissapointed since the time i subscribed opt tech
Beste,
Welke videokaart zo jij aanraden voor city builder?
Want er wordt nooit een test gedaan op zo games, en hoeveel vram heb je nodig?
Mvg
Was pretty surprised to see the XTX pulling more power than the 4080. That brings up the question why the hell the 4080 cooler designs are so huge. I hope we get some more reasonably sized 4080s in the future
4080s use the same coolers as the 4090s for some reason. Should be pretty silent at least 😁
I read this is because nvidia gave out wrong specifications, and corrected it way too late.
Both the 4090 and 4080 coolers are over engineered as hell. They never needed to be anywhere near as big as they were. Those coolers on them were made to cool 600+ watt GPU’s. The 4080 is currently the most efficient GPU on the market. The 4090 can run at 350watts and get %95 of its performance.
It seems that nvidia gave the impression to its subsidiaries that the 4000 series cards would run super hot so they made ginormous heat sinks. Turns out they tend to run cooler and use less power so the heat sinks are way over kill. But thats also a good thing....except for the rog strix 4090 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 that thing is enormous. Its 16 inches long😅😅😅😅😅
Imagine complaining about getting a gpu with actually decent cooling for once
if sam is enabled plus oc, would the 7900xt get even closer?
it most likely would. judging by previous generations performance uplift, you would expect to see the 7900xtx to perform 5-10% better in games. even up to 15%
@@moistovengaming5418 damn, so basically just oc this and enable sam and you have INSAAANE bang for your buck
@@ryanreviews8566 i think its already superb bang for your buck but yeah, with oc and sam this will crush at its pricepoint
Will you be reviewing the Deathadder V3 Pro?
Can you test the Glorious model O 2 wireless? I have been thinking about getting pulsar x2 or glorious model O 2 wireless because I'm curious about choosing this both mice and I'm curious about glorious model O 2 wireless click latency.
Price dropped the 30 series for sure and 4070ti probably comes in around $800 us.