DON'T Vertical Mount Your GPU! - Here's why
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
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Just get a vertical GPU bracket like the Cooler Master or Lian Li ones. This moves the GPU further in the case removing any heat difference. Also looks a lot better than using the slots some cases come with.
I just tried to install the lian li one. It's trash sending back going for cooler master.
The only reason you’re getting higher temps is because you are choking airflow if you have it mounted using a aftermarket mount it’s further back and more stable than the one in the frame of the case
The issue is you contradicted yourself in the video, stating the bracket might get stressed and stuff, then a minute later you state that gpu sag isn't an issue because it's being propped up with the extension cable, It's as if you ran out of points or you just didn't want the gpu to be V mounted at all. Temps really depends on how you keep your gpu regardless, some cases have space for it and some dont.
The bracket supports the GPU so it won't sag, but it may stress the bracket if the GPU gets jossled around
@@hardwiredreview that doesn't make any sense. Most of the brackets I've seen ranging from lian li, phanteks to EZDIY-FAB are very sturdy. Even in Cases like the 011 where the bracket isn't supported by a base and is in "free fall" won't get stressed.
@@otreblarazalas669 then think a bit harder and it will make sense. The GPU is only held up by the bracket.
The GPU lacks the additional support from the PCIE slot. So all the weight is on the bracket, which puts more stress onto the GPUs board where the bracket is connected to it.
It also gets wobbly if you move the case around, and puts even more stress on it.
On the other hand it is vertical and therefore will not sag. As it has no way of flexing into that direction.
@@wupme that's what the two additional screws do 💀. Support the GPU from the pcie slot. It keeps it from bowing
Yeah and if your GPU weighs 4 tons then its not a good idea to mount it directly on the motherboard.
Thats even more reason to not mount it vertically, but use the GPU support most modern cases have anyway.
Then just buy or use your gpu holder if mounted to the mb directly
You can get a GPU bracket
Except for some niche cases that others here have commented on, the most practical use case of vertically (bracket) mounting the GPU is if you're going to install a waterblock for custom loop liquid cooling, and not use the stock heatsink and fans. This completely negates the downsides described in the video, frees up space for other PCIe cards, removes almost all weight placed on the PCIe slot, and replaces the mechanism of exhausting hot air from the GPU with drawing in cool air onto a radiator. The only real downsides to this is it costs more, and requires more time/effort and care. Ambient temperature in the case is slightly increased, but temperature of the GPU core and VRM's is significantly reduced. Hot spot temperatures can be reduced by 15°C or more this way, without having to undervolt.
What I found out with my 3070ti is that, the exhaust comes out through the topside of the gpu (not the back side). So it is actually boiling the glass panel and causing thermal issues while horizontally mounting it.
So vertically mounting it using an aftermarket mount is the only right way for me.
That's what I thought was wrong with my 3070ti, have you seen temp improvements with a vertical mount?
@@hotrodjoe568 Actually I've not yet added a vertical mount since that would mean I've to shift to liquid cooling of my cpu and since I've to allocate my funds elsewhere, now I'm just taking the side panel off while gaming and temps ofcourse is not an issue now
Hey man! Great video! I was wondering if you could answer a question of mine. I got my omen 45L around 6 months ago and I recently put it under my desk (I KNOW ITS BAD FOR TEMPS) but I have a 3070 and I was wondering if there is any way to get better airflow under my desk. I can really feel the heat when I am sitting down and I doesn’t bother me but I’m sure it’s not good for the cpu. I stay around 55-65 on small load and 65-80 on high load. I also wanted to ask you if you know if the omen 45L can have a vertical mount attached because I LOVE THE WAY THEY LOOK. Could you let me know your thoughts. One last thing is how do I know what kind of psu cables I need to get because I don’t like the stock cables and I really wanted to get a new cable for Gpu and motherboard!!! Thanks 😊
Why would you make this video with so much false info? Get a verticle GPU mount and the weight and stress are taken away. Also with said mount you can adjust the GPU between the glass and the board so it is not on top of either. My temps and temps on other I have built for people have incresed by 1 to 2 degrees which is nothing. I don't even hit 60 degrees while gaming in 4k. As a matter of fact, vertically mounting the GPU takes strain off the motherboard connector from having the GPU weight sag resting on there constantly. Maybe do a little more research and make a new video so you don't discourage others from doing this by giving them false information.
Yeah I may do that in the future, I didn't really know there were different types of mounting options which were better than my current one. I also didn't expect my video to get so many views. Thanks for the input 👍
But what about FPS lose?
This vertical mounting is a better idea anyway because you don't want a 2.5k gpu dying due to sagging
@@hardwiredreviewMy case literally allows you to rotate the GPU bracket for either application.
Also, AIO tubes... CPU should always be lower so that air goes to the radiator and not the CPU.
@@hardwiredreview”Yeah, I may do that in the future…” you mean do RESEARCH on a topic before pretending to speak on it like you’re an expert?
As with all things, it varies-- first, you need reasonable clearance between the fans on the GPU and the case-- especially if your case has a glass/acrylic panel. Looks great, but not so good with airflow. Secondly, there's a wide range of PCIe riser/bracket assemblies. My Thermaltake P3 case (which has had a vertical GPU for 6 years now), the PCIe slot is supported at both ends on a case-specific bracket that's bolted to the chassis at both ends-- it's probably more stable than if it were sitting in the motherboard's PCIe slot.
Glad you mentioned latency impacts being debunked. That was my primary concern. Unfortunately Vertical is my only option now due to my new gpu requiring additional cable clearance.
It's very minimal, from pcie 3.0 to 4.0 it's around a 1% difference. It only matters if you're using multiple GPUs
No it doesnt. My GPU is running great vertically.
Mine to but its bc i used an offset cooler mount and noctua nh15 so the x16 slot is blocked
I vertical mounted my GPU but I also vertically mounted my motherboard because I use a test bench type case.
this aged poorly, everyone's 3080ti through 4090's pcb is breaking do to horizontal mounting the gpu. which also voids warranty, and the next generations of cards will only get heavier making vertical mounting the only way to go forward.
How about the heat from the backplate of the Gpu and the riser cable ? How much heat can it take before melting ? I have a rtx 3080 and there is not much space between the Gpu and motherboard
Some vertical GPU mounts have a bottom plate to place the PCIe extension. Maybe this can decrease the risk of damaging the GPU bracket because there is a plate that holds it from the bottom.
Btw, thank you for the advices.
Thanks for the good word. I have a situation that demands vertical mounting, but it is at the bottom/floor of the case (Phanteks Ethoo Pro II). I am not as worried about form as I am about on. My two GPUs are Asus dual Radeon RX 6600 models, and they cover a lot of slots. If I want to use all of my USB ports front of the case, I need a card to run two of them. Thank you for the info and the possible problems. It will rest ocase floor, whichd that might mitigate some of the issues. I will let you know what happens.
The 2nd point is actually very valid, I didn't consider that . I'm going to look into ACTUAL vertical mounting like the Lian Li
This video doesn't make sense. Yes, temps will depend on how close the gpu is to the glass panel, that's why there are vertical gpus brackets like Phanteks, Cooler Master, NZXT, etc, that move the GPU further so temps won't increase and looks better imo. The included vertical slots are recommended to use with liquid cooling gpu so it won't suffocate with less contact with air.
It's beneficial for real heavy cards like 4090/4080 bending the gpu board will cause damage, problem is if you have a huge heatsink it will not work only AIO.
In a lian li case my temps are fantastic. On my 4070ti though it has a mounting sag bracket that doesn’t work for vertical so really sucks might have to mount it normally.
Dude, well done video man.
Increase airflow due to the fans mounted at the bottom pushing air around and up towards the card. No hot air pockets air as these fans push the air upwards and heat rises with the help off the bottom case fans.
If your watercooled and your AIO leaks, which they do usually at the pump or the edge of the rad. Then the water is likely to miss your GPU. Eitherway if your rocking a 4090 it decreases the rare chance if it leaks it will miss your 2k GPU. Motherboards are way cheaper.
It helps GPU sag.
You might always want to mention many GOOD brackets allow you to much your GPU up, down and side to side. I can chance where it sits in any direction. So there is no downside to a decent bracket.
you might want to mention on your video is your using a case which has the Vertical slots right up against the glass.
The thing about installing the GPU vertically is that you can't install any other add-on cards which is a nonstarter. The only option is to lay the case down on its side.
I want to vertically mount my gpu, but in my m-atx AP201 case, I would first of all, switch to an AIO cooler to make room for it, and also get a brand new card that has RGB on the fans, or around it so that it's clearly visible.
ok, here's a question for ya... I've got the Corsair 7000D case, loaded with combination fo 120mm intake fans and 140mm exhaust fans.. using a ASUS Maximus Hero MoBo... The first slot is 4090 Founders Edition (3 slots wide)... 2nd slot (which sits at position 4) is the Hyper M.2 card with two SSD's .. there is about a 2mm space between both cards... blocking off a bit of the first fan on the 4090FE... assuming amazing airflow in the case, will this work? or is that 2mm not enough space for the GPU? I Asked Nvidia, and they seem to think if I have good airflow, it will work.. thoughts?
5 years on vertical gpu, and running fast and nice.
I mounted for testing purposes my rig onto the cardboard box and GPU temps dropped 3°C, so no, it depends on the case.
Fan settings too.
I vertical mounted mine and it's not getting hotter than 47°C or 116,6°F (Even after a render of a 6h Video in Davinci Resolve) and I placed a selfmade stand, so not all of the weight is on the screws. The only bad thing I can think of is the blocked PCIE ports. So you can't install thinks like capture cards or wifi cards or whatever.
I've noticed lower temps all around when vertically mounting the gpu , when mounted horizontal the heat from the gpu is forced into the motherboard and if you have a nvme drive in there it will heat up that as well so not only does it cool better for the mainboard as well as the card, that is if it is mounted correctly proper case fan placement and not up against the glass , and no one should mount a gpu without a third point of contact holding the gpu up, you just asking for trouble dangling it off the IO shield not to mention the sag.
So YES mount your gpu vertically just do it right.
iam using an o11 dynamic with 3 bottom intake fans. vertical mounting increased my gpu temps by 5-7 degree. iam sure the reason for it are the 3 case fans below. the gpu fans push air through the fins and thus hot air out on the sides of the card. the side, is now facing downwards, so the gpu fan flow and the case fan flow fight each other. the case fans, blow that hot air from the gpu upwards, to the fans of the gpu again. this ways, the hot air gets recycled instead of blown away. not sure if should try turning the fans in the bottom around to exhaust rather then intake
I run my 6950XT reference with vertical Corsair mount in a Phanteks G500A case with Arctic LF II 280 top mounted and Arctic fans in the front and back, temps are good.
Power limit is set to 330w with a -30mv undervolt, clocks 2500-2600mhz which it can reach consistently.
70c max gaming in 4k, hotspot temp reaches 85-90c max which is well within the thermal limit of this card.
Would like to see your data on temps, most reviewers who showed their results reported similar or lower temps, what case are you using? That could be the reason your higher temps
A bit of wobble on the bracket is better than a cracked PCB. Temp depends on your depth clearance inside and your brand of GPU. It can run cooler or hotter.
I was stoked after buying a case so I could vertically mount my 3080ti. It was getting too hot so I had to mount it normally. Lame. Next time I need a bigger case I guess.
it is really not true that there is no benefit to vertically mounting your gpu. Ask any gpu repair technician how often cracks in the small appendix next to the pci connections happen and how severe they are to fix. Vertically mounting the gpu let's the card sit on top of the connector and so it does not so much rely on mounting brackets to be in a good position.
What do you think of the new thermaltake CTE cases that mount in vertically? Rear intake blows fresh air directly to the GPU.
That is very good!
the increase is because ur not using an aftermarket bracket so its got no intake against the glass like that.
1. YOU MISSED THE MAIN PROBLEM.
2. YOUR FAN SETUP IS WRONG
SOLUTION:
1. ON AN AIR COOLED VWRTICAL MOUNT CARDS THE BOTTOM FANS NEED TO BE PUSHING OUT OF THE BOTTOM OF YOUR CASE.
IF NOT THE CASE FAN AND GPU FAN AIR FLOW CANCELS OUT COOLING.
2. YOU NEED A FAN BLOWING DIRECTLY AT THE SPACE BETWEEN THE GPU AND MOTHERBOARD.
THIS SPACE CAUSES THE GPU AND MB TO BECOME HEAT SOAKED, THIS ALSO MEANS YOUR REAR CASE FAN NEEDS TO BE PUSHING OUT. AMD THE SIDE FANS NEED TO BE PUSHING IN. TOP FANS ALSO PUSH OUT.
3. HEAT RISES HAS ZERO EFFECT INSIDE A CASE.
i can buy any bracket adapter it will work right at long it fit in any case ??
thank you for the video
i have open small case, and this would have lot positives and no negatives, if i keep case closed, temps are up the roof
Biggest reason why I mounted my GPU vertically is airflow considerations. It's presenting a much smaller cross section to the airflow, resulting in better air exchange. And put a damn mount in your case. Don't tell us that there will be sag when you're not doing something about it yourself.
this is why i go for fractal flex b20+ thats the only compatible v mount for my define 7 compact case i guess especially aftermarket v mounts are better since the gpu doesnt sag so much and the v mount implemented in the case kills the gpu airflow
I ordered the NZXT mounting kit, is that not going to fit ?
@@RussKo96 i have no actual idea but i think it should fit normally with no issues but it depends on the case that u own
@@justandrew231 the same as yours, cause u said its the only compatible..
@@RussKo96 try it out and see if it works
personally i will buy a flex b20 but the problem is it runs on pcie 3 so i will buy a pcie 4 cable too
Jokes on you I broke my front panel so I have infinite air flow now
Hey man how's the Fezibo desk treating you?
I love it! Still works great after 3 years of constant use
the main reason that i want to vertical mount my gpu is to make full use of my side mesh panels hahah
On the TUF GT502 case with 10 fans (3 of the cooler) can it stand vertically?
My GPU lost 1/3 points in benchmark after instaling it in the vertical GPU bracket. These things are way to near at the glas.
I will try to instal 2 new strong fans, and if that donsnt work the rizer kabel has to go again.
i change 4.0 to 3.0 in order to used cable on RTX video 3060 is that okay ??
Big problem here is, that your GPU case is completely closed. My Asus TUF 3090 GPU sides are open an you see the cooling fins, so the airflow way better then in your case. I think thats the main reason for your heat probs
I may be wrong but hes not using a vertical mounting kit or a gpu weight brace
I have the same case and an Aorus 2070 Super
Need your suggestion on how to vertical mount it
Well I can send a link to the PCIE riser which I use, other than that you don't need to buy anything since everything needed to mount it is included
@@hardwiredreview Yes that would be helpful
Here you go LINKUP - Ultra PCIe 4.0 X16 Riser Cable [RTX3090ti RX6950XT x570 Z690 Tested] Shielded Gaming PCI Express Gen4 Reverse PCIE Connector w/ 270 Degree Socket {24cm} Compatible with NZXT H1 Without Screw a.co/d/6I83ytE
Consider a bracket for added support. 30 and 40 series cards are heavy. The I/o cover is sturdy but may buckle overtime. Not as much as traditional slotted card but I wouldn't risk it on an expensive GPU. A 1660 or 3060 would be okay without a mount kit. Anything that's a 3 fan cooler is a different story
Do i have place for my Wifi card if i use cooler master vertical hoider kit v3 on my Montech 1000 lite.
why wouldn’t you use the the riser or dock to keep it from the weight problem i thought that they went hand in hand, i want to see the back or the case where it’s mounted please.
i chose the thermaltake versa n24 because it’s a cross between batman and allien unfortunately i have to use the tin snips and remove a bracket spacers in back the gpu is so large that if i can’t utilize 3:33 the extender and vertically mount it. if i knew how to mod a case i would want (//7) i would want the case i saw on the tech guys video, i’d call it the Lilly Tomlin Case when she played a character of a little girl was sitting in a giant rocking chair. That’s what this case reminds me of it’s massive it’s so clean and so much room, but you could probably fit a futon if not just a regular pullout, sleeper couch, or kitchen and sinkI don’t know if they built it or it came that way, but I’ve never seen one so large lol😅
Just remember, you’re taking info from a guy that has his radiator mounted upside down. I bet it’s really bubbly in your AIO.😂 and then also forgot to put his io shield on the back of his motherboard
A quick way to vertical mount the GPU is to horizontal mount the motherboard.
Hollup let him cook
First time I see someone say that about vertical mount they say the contrary about the temperature they say in official bench s that the vertical mount helping so much
It depends on if you have the clearance. If it's too right up against the glass, the temps can rise.
well i did it but different from what you think : i put my case horizontally to avoid sag so it's vertical but in a natural way... the motherboard is thus horizontal
Thermal paste isn't gonna leak?
I have nzxt h710 and rtx 3070. Gpu is top close to the glass. Any one had luck to fix that?
My 3060 actually pulls in air and pushes it out of the top vent, so it's actually better for airflow.
More on using vertical mount now, new pcie power cable can stay a fire
i like to ask if you go to bios setting change something save and reset alot do it slow down your motherboard are not??
Changing bios settings wouldn't slow your motherboard down but it may effect the performance of other components like the CPU and RAM depending on what settings you are altering
so i have to cause the 4080 does not fit in any case
"Aside from aesthetics and personal preference, there's really only bad things" are you intentionally ignoring the benefit of reducing strain on the PCIe slot or preventing card sag?
watch the rest of the video lol, i literally mentioned those as benefits
My Nvmes go up to 70°c when my CG is running... not good, i prefere vertical mount
- buy cheapest vertical mount
- put it in wrong place / case
- complain it's unstable and under-preforming
The vertical mount is built into the case
@@hardwiredreview Seems like poor design choice on their part then. Mount such as Fractal Design Flex 2 would replace horizontal outlets (as long as you can also remove separators) and give GPU much more breathing space.
how do you mount gpu like that when i buy Card Extender Ribbon they dont come with the thing
Your case also has to support a vertical GPU bracket otherwise you have to buy a gpu bracket adapter
1:25 The AIO CPU coolers liquid I/O tubes, lies lower than the pump?
Dude, no system is perfectly closed, after some time, liquid will evaporate and then the bubbles will go (naturally) upwards...
This means you CPU cooling will degrade faster and the pump will run dry, what reduces it´s lifespan massively.
ALWAYS put the pump (the thing on the CPU) lower than the coolers I/O tubes, so air get´s trapped in the cooler and not the pump!!!
Cheers
??? Absolutely no !!! Maybe in your case? it depends on the case, airflow and other factors. You can't generalize like that. It also depends on the choice of GPU. If we insert a thick card with the cooling unit placed 1-2 cm from the housing glass, the difference will be about 10 degrees. If you want to have the card in a vertical position, mount it in another PC case.
My gpu lost 10°C when vertically mounted
no problems with mine and it has better temps as well
What case do you use?
Antec P120 Crystal
Could someone tell me which PC case this is?
Antec 120 Crystal
name of ur case sir ?
antec p120 crystal
Yeah man maybe also don’t run 5 exhaust fans
damn, people do this for aesthetics and not from their case being too thin?
6 months ago bad
12/22 good thanks RX 7900 XTX
Your all is installed wrong you need to have it higher than the cpu
I want to vertically mount it so i cab put a cooler on the back of my rtx 3080
Wouldn't have been easier to just buy a 2 fan GPU. You do not have a giant wide 4 space RTX 4090?
WALLPAPER NAME PLS !!!
What's your case?
Antec P120 Crystal
another kids this is a good technician ! go to school kids
Yeah Nah, get a big case that adds inches of air in front of the fans from the side of the case, support the end of the card. Worst case ass some fans and push air up the side of the panel to assist fans. No way am I having a cracked pcb from traditional mount
With recent news, ps5 have liquid cooler problem when you put your ps5 vertically. I wonder how the gpu thermal paste cooling positioning when put vertically. Is it similiar to how cpu thermal paste and work just fine when position vertically?
Its not liquid cooler. It's liquid metal. GPUs don't use liquid metal instead of thermal paste AFAIK. So that is not an issue
Knowing this is trash info and incorrect but still.keeping it up. Make it make sense 🤦🏾♂️
The temps in my GPU are fine and not high at all. Before making such statements please test them.
My Vert mount (NZXT) rest on the case itself. There is no extra weight at all.
You make a vid about DONT DO THIS and next you have done it yourself....
You can disable dislikes all you want but you still got one👎
crying my eye
your watercooler is mounted wrong my friend. Maybe see gamer nexus video on this before that fails.
Unfortunately, this is the way I have to mount it because of how my case is designed. I've had no problems after 2 years 👍
mount that aio correctly please my brutha
"estimate" 10-20°c LOL, why not 100-200°c "estimated" ?...
My fans hardly ever run!
Nie słucham osoby która nie ma poprawnie zamontowanego chłodzenia cieczą , każdy poradnik pisze że węże do chłodnicy powinny być powyżej CPU ...
I'll still do it anyway
based
temperature increase from 10 to 20c? my goodness me. you dont know what you are talking about.
Listen to what I said. I said there would be a temp increase of 10-20C ABOVE your base temp. Don't be so quick to assume I don't know what I'm talking about, I do research for each video and have been making these videos for a long time.
@@hardwiredreview you only got 2.6k subs tho dawg
@@excidium2872 yeah but I have been making videos for 6 years, plus the original commenter misunderstood me and criticized me for it so I wanted to clear things up
Dude am i seeing that your radiator for your Aio is mointed lower then you pump? Jesus, seriously i am sorry but making a video regarding verticle mounting and how not to do so yet have your Aio setup completely half assed no offense lol
You are very wrong - data shows vertically a GPU can reduce temperatures. You cannot give a statement without considering all factors.
I never said it couldn't reduce temperatures, but if the fans are too close to the front panel, you will get a temp increase.
🤓- erm akshually ☝
lol thats what half the people in the comments are like
You make is seam bad, but you can just buy a separate bracelet 😅😅😅
LOL :) You just did it wrong
Aio LOL