I’ll believe progress when I see progress. It is nice to hear them actually acknowledge the issues Odyssey has. Recognizing there is a problem is the first step in correcting it.
I wouldn't even expect anything to come out of them acknowledging an issue either though. Like, we've seen plenty of promises and were only met with lies and deception, and they kept people on a short leash until they simply dropped those "ain't gonna happen anymore" and then moved on like nothing happened. Already I got a feeling that the next content update will contain nothing interesting, at least nothing that will breathe new life into this game. We'll probably just get green-humans fighting us and pass it off as new gameplay, and that'll be it. Honestly, at this point, I'm just even looking forward more to other similar games. Hell, even Star Citizen looks like it has a far more promising future. When I look at that game I just keep thinking "what Elite could've been.."
We live in our ships. That's why we want ship interiors, even if there isn't a lot of gameplay: the ship is our home. Maybe it would be mostly a thing for longer term exploration. How do I handle environmental control and life support, black tank, grey tank, water and air purification, O2 resupply. and so on. In the Bubble a lot of this would be handled each time we dock and refuel. But in the black?
Fully agree, after all these years from Alpha the fact we still can’t walk around our ships (unless you use VR and a long cable lol) is a huge reason why the original older players are moving on. ED stop with the new silly stuff, redo whatever you need to give us interiors and the ability to walk around our ship and like many, I’ll be back to play!
They should've just said no. legs are a completely different game. They should've focused on what the game does very well: Using your space ship to do things. Give us more things to do with a much greater mission variety, more things to discover with varying degrees of rarity, new space station designs, put work into making existing systems better. Space legs was a mistake.
@@seveneternal7988 I think it won't be hard if you fake it a little and put the player in a virtual area rather than physically inside of the ship and don't show the player walking around to players in other ships, though I don't know how the servers work.
@@BB-nn9en 100% correct. Improved cooperation and a better, player driven, in-game economy would drastically improve the game. Instead of legs, they should have allowed players to use resources for space bases or something.
@@BB-nn9en You’re forgetting that they said yes back in the alpha and beta that’s why all of us old time elite players backed to them. The first time I stood up in a sidewinder with VR on and was able to walk around most of the cockpit I was absolutely blown away that they had already done it, and it just seemed like just textures to finish it. Here we are years later, they went back on the promise of a single player game, space legs, and a million other things. Still a cool game through but time to move on.
"we're not TRYING to be done with odyssey... but our incompetence and lack of appreciation for our playerbase means we are, maybe, kind of possibly, accidentally, inadvertently, secretly... done with odyssey." We're not TRYING to be done with Odyssey...but we are done with Elite.
Honestly, one of my biggest gripe is that the planets are bald. I remember landing on a planet with huge canyons when I first started playing, and now they're almost completely flat on every planet I land on. It killed exploration for me. If they wanted the biologicals to be interesting, they really should have made those procedurally generated so that there would be more variation across the galaxy. The second biggest gripe is how dated foot combat feels. They said it would be like battlefield, but that's a MASSIVE stretch. It's still super clunky. The third is the same gripe we've always had. It's still a grindy game, and FDEV have done nothing to resolve that since the game was first released.
@@Thiniking Look up videos comparing Horizons and Odyssey planets, but make sure you get more recent ones because when Odyssey first came out the tech was bugged and every planet looked like melted oatmeal and they've done a bunch of work to at least make them generate the way they _want_ them to. The planet tech was completely changed with Odyssey.
I haven't really had that experience. I've been several beautifully contoured worlds in Odyssey. I get that some planets might not look as good as they did in Horizons, but I bet there are at least as many that look better in Odyssey than in Horizons. People just don't talk about those, lol
Honestly buddy I think the exact opposite. While I agree on foot combat can be better, planets in Odissey looks much much more realistic, with distinct geological features, better illumination and no more cartoonish style colors and shades. Illumination in space is really flat because you do not have diffraction, only hard shadows and flat gradients, also the topology of many planets was waaaay off, now the displacement map is much better (while maybe "less fun" let's say). I say I like them much more than horizon! For the grinding aspects I think ultimately it's a player choice. While I play I like to be free and set my own goal, like a light roleplay and I avoid grind for credits or ranks. I still agree there are some grindy aspects for some achievements, but as I said I think it's more dependent on a player's personal goals and playstyle! Not trying to bring down your opinion, just reporting my personal experience! Fly safe commander! o7
my issues with odyssy were that it seemed to be developed by people who didn't know what elite is. why can buy 1 ton of handheld weapons in cargo for 7000, but all the weapons are crazy priced. why does a base pistol cost 5 times as much as a ship why does a suit cost 20 times what a ship does why does a handheld kinetic rifle do more DPS then a ship based multi-cannon that masses more the gau-8 tank killer on the a10 aircraft. oh and i mainly play in vr and that sealed it.
That's what happens when you introduce new things to an economy that's been running for years without effective credit sinks so there are people out there with billions of credits.
you're absolutly right and that shows one of the problems with elite: They never had a real plan of how to expand the game so they slabt things on it. Like elixwhitetail said, there was no credit sinkhole so the whole economy went down the drain. Same with missions vs normal trading. You can make millions with a single mission run where you haul cargo from a to b. Try this without a mission just with normal trading. Not a chance, even with the same cargo. combine this with developers who have no real vision or idea on how to expand the game and give it more real content and there we are, odissey. A bad fps, no real other stuff then shooting in a settlement. Things they introduced and completly ignored: Codex - still no rumors or so. This thing is dead as it can be Powerplay - lets just not talk about it Scanner - good idea, nothing to come, wasted effort first person exploration - went from reaction mini game to basicly nothing random voiced missions - never see one of them and no more real development here Sadly i would say: Start new from scratch and develope elite dangerous 2. Maybe this could get better but the current game seems to be stuck for too long.
Not gonna defend most of those questions, but for weapons in cargo - it is the same logic as in real life, where self-cost of an item is low, but final price on retail is high to cover up all the money trader spent. Weapon cargo (if think by logic) is a sealed crate and if you open it up yourself, you make all of it's content illegal unless you are the retailer. Clothing and weapons prices are more of a balance needs, due to how weird it would be to buy hold full of best suits, weapons with mods after 1 mining session.
Yet another grind is coming to the game, where we’ll need to travel 1000+ lys somewhere on some random planet, only to do yet another gardian puzzle, in order to unlock a new maguffin. That we’ll then will need to "Energise" or "Power Up" the new maguffin. Then bring said maguffin to relevant NPC. Rinse and repeat the process 8-10 times until all the new maguffins have been unlocked. Build and engineer a new ship with all the Thargoid maguffins, and start fighting the new "Super Powerful" Thargoids in the same exact fashion as before. The only difference, is that we will have red anti-thargoid weapons instead of the blue gardian ones.
Luke Betterton, 2020: "Odyssey will launch simultaneously on PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4 in early 2021. We are committed to keep supporting the existing Elite Dangerous communities regardless of their platform of choice." = Everything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt.
@@treya4740 How does that change the fact his pre-launch statements about Odyssey and Frontier's approach to platform inclusivity were misleading? (at best)
Honestly glad they dropped console development. It was using up resources better spent focusing on pc where 99% of players are. you can only shovel time and money into a hole for so long before you realize the hole isn’t giving you anything back. Game development doesn’t run on the well wishes and goodwill of a few players. Which is all console development got them.
@@woodrow7696 99% - huge exaggeration. The console games market still dwarfs the PC games market in terms of retail sales. Short sighted. Most decent games are releasing cross platform to maximise reach - and dev profit = more money for expansions. Not targeting consoles basically signals a lack of investment in the game. Hence: narrative over content.
If they want to bounce back, everyone has said it a thousand times. Bring ship interiors to the game and allow us to create colonies or structures on these billions of planets. This game still has so much potential, but I feel like additions to the story is not going to keep this ship afloat. I like to explore, not fight all the time. Really hope Elite bounces back and brings VR as well.
Ship interiors would take them at least 2-3 years to do if they started today. Just ship interiors. The game can't handle another 3-year update drought only to finally add ship interiors after Arf said "you don't want them". They've painted themselves into the corner with floor-dissolving paint so they can't get out.
@@Roughpaws_Studio I don't think it's a technical limitation. I have every in game setting at max and the on-foot camera mode is still pretty smooth. Making it first person and adding a 2D-hud wouldn't make much of a difference. It would probably improve it since your CMDR wouldn't have to be rendered. Edit: I've heard it's for balance reasons in on-foot PvP. I guess VR users might have an advantage if they can look and shoot in different directions? I dunno.
A good point. Also it's a Kickstarter thing so do not expect they keep their promices. They actually could run away with money and no one would do anything to them.
@@Rapscallion2009 Idk when Horizons first came out landing on planets was the novelty even though though there wasn't much to do. People still did it though, just because they could.
For a game that has such a heavy emphasis on procedural generation, I'd really like to see the mission system overhauled; or at least developed with more open-ended gameplay as a possibility. Imagine if that simple mining contract turned into a pirate shakedown where, should you capitulate to handing over your hard earned ore, the mission provider updates the contract into retributive strike against the pirate faction, or even provides data on where you can go to recover the stolen cargo (possibly leading to an onfoot assault/infiltration of a pirate base/ship/station). This game could be so much more if the missions weren't such closed-loop win/fail minigames.
people have been complaing about the one dimensional mission system since alpha sadly, with suggestions same as yours, but the mission system has stayed the same like this ever since. as much as i would like branching/procedural missions, i don't think we will ever get it. that's the sort of expanding features/content i want in Elite but we haven't even got a new spaceship in 4 or so years in a spaceship game...
@@gustavvonrauch8942 Yeah, likely. The linked mission system they have currently was a step in the right direction but it's another feature left fallow.
Their communication around 4.0 all but confirms what I was suspecting all along. They no longer have the development talent in-house that’s capable of working on the old code, so they’re unable to add or modify any existing systems like ships or stations beyond extremely superficial things like skins. They needed to move everything to a new code base in order to make any deeper changes to the non-Odyssey part of the code, but it took them way too long to realize this and lost 80% of their player base in the process it looks like. The worst part is it’s probably due to management and not the devs themselves, which means all of this was avoidable.
Oh man this is very likely yeah! Never thought of a project this old and how the older code base could affect it. I've worked on many projects but never one as old as Elite. It's a risk I've never even considered in my QA planning.
I'm curious to know, does Frontier want to do something like this? Is this a game which could have a life of decades into the future? I'm not completely cued up on coding etc, but know that Rust for example, completely remade the game, changed engines etc, and now will likely be around for as long as I live. Maybe it won't be in development forever but it certainly doesn't seem to be slowly down. Surely in the space game genre the possibilities are endless. Didn't they just introduce base building in Star Citizen? Are you kidding me?! Rust in Space!
@@billyoda ED has a lifespan of 10 year in active development and is now on year... 7 I think. What that means is that: Maybe. Maybe it will be around for generations but once that 10 year roadmap ends development is most likely to end. Considering active players and such they might just decided to then leave it in life support mode. Keep the servers running, do some minor bug fixes but not anything else.
I'm going to be drunk. Somebody else had another drinking game for "only time will tell" and "it is this way now, but it may change later"...I'm sure there is more drinking games...I'll play them all.
How many times are they going to admit that the game has major issues and talk about how they are going to "improve gameplay" or have "better communication". It's a stupid manipulation tactic that I'm not falling for again. I have little hope that FDev will do anything for the game that will pull in players. All they can do is spew this crap to the community to try to hold on to what community they have left.
@@StatueofGuyThinking That's the thing, though... Frontier aren't even good at being greedy. Ship interiors with decorations you can find by exploring, buying in-game, or, most importantly, with ARX, would have turned the game into a money printer.
So... 1- Break current AX weps to trigger a new grind. 2- Move the narrative into the game, AKA, Odyssey supported content to push players to upgrade or miss out. 3- Console players... Excuse me, who? 4- New toys... AKA grind to get new weps. 5- New ship... Excuse me, what?
It is incredible to me that players have screamed for years and years for walking around your ship, and they did everything but. Having Player Control of the narrative is cool, but much less impressive if we *dont know about it*
Agreed. The importance of immersion by having the ability to get out the cockpit and walk around your ship can't be underestimated in a realistic space sim. Not to mention all the cool game mechanics they could have introduced with ship interiors, like basic module repairs, changing parts, stabilising frame shift drive after an unexpected emergency, etc, etc. I imagine ship interiors would have been way easier to implement than ground based pew pew. Shame FDev never listen to the community 😕
Classic case of "we know what you want more than you do". Just look at their disdain toward the issue when the situation was confirmed, their own comments about how "it doesn't add to game play" etc. Zero imagination with zero interest in what they've been told for several years.
The excuse was something along the lines of : "You think you want to walk around your ship but really, you don't. It will only be fun for a couple of times". Like they really care. After it's sold it's sold. Board of investors happy (which is really all they care about). That was already an excuse for "We don't have the technical know-how to do that".
players screamed for years and years for space legs, and look where that got us. This game needs to stop trying to be star citizen and remember how to be elite.
They have a weird way of “listening” to players. If I remember correctly, they went in a spree of banning every person that said anything critical about Odyssey on the forums. Between the flat out lies in marketing for Odyssey, the years of ignoring good ideas from the community, and their authoritarian silencing of criticism, Frontier have burned their trust for me, forever. Saying words in interviews and blog posts is easy, actually delivering anything meaningful? Well…. FDEV haven’t done that in a very, very long time.
@@Wylie288 That's the fun thing, if you're not a moderator the evidence is hidden away because they delete offending posts rathere than allow moderation actions to sit in the light of day for people to examine. I can assure you it definitely happened, including banning people I know personally from chat on their livestreams for simply asking when Odyssey will be coming to consoles (before they announced it absolutely was not). Frontier does not comment on bans, they sweep it under the rug like it never happened. They banned KaiZen, host of Black Sky Legion (formerly Elite Week) for "drug references" because he described the author of the pulp scifi story that the concept of The Dark Wheel was pulled from as "a pothead author" but there are dozens if not hundreds of people talking about smoking pot or whatever who don't get touched, and never mind that their own game has drugs, Onionhead is basically future weed. What they actually wanted him gone for was because he was in their pre-Odyssey content creators secret club and he told them what they didn't want to hear, that Odyssey was going to go over very badly and their plans were going to backfire (and oh look they sure as hell did, Frontier's lost half their market cap since Odyssey launched).
I was banned for called frontier FDeaf. Remarkable! I was later reinstated after complaining but the heavy handed behaviour is not forgotten. Their single mind pursuit of profits and numbers by turning ED into CoD by burning the exploration community is not forgotten either!
@@wiser3754 Braben's presence for ED hasn't been felt in years. He used to attend the livestreams from time-to-time, then just a Christmas, then after the first disastrous launch of Horizons due to it being a grotesquely buggy mess, nothing from them on.
When they dropped consoles, I was out. Which is a shame because the game has great potential. However, it made me discover no man's sky, a d that is awesome. No man's sky is no. 1 for me
I agree as they abandonned console players , Elite dangerous will be over real soon, I stop play the game forever , what a shame that I spend 10,000 hours on this game
I couldn’t agree more. I played this game for 1000s of hours and the whole time thinking how great a game framework they have, and was always waiting for them to make the actual game. When Odyssey came out it became clear that they were never going to. So I gave up and stopped playing. It’s a heart breaking shame. The potential is amazing.
@@SpudHead42 I was really hoping odyssey would give star citizen a proper kick in the butt, and at the very least give me something more stable to play in the meantime while I wait for that game to chug along it's slow development, but alas.
Well, I never wanted legs, I pre-ordered odyssey to show my support for this games development, but so far nothing in odyssey has been worth it. I still play in horizons because, to me, it just looks (and runs) better. I really hope if they are going to force me onto the odyssey engine, they have at least fixed the lighting, colour palette and contrasts, and also at least tried to make the paints jobs I bought look like they do in horizon.
I agree I never wanted Odyssey the game is great the way it was I don't need legs and running around shooting other npc and players. I could play call of duty for that
I don't know when you last played Ody but it looks really nice now. I play at 1080p on ultra with 60fps. I did all the all the on-foot 'grind' for good suits and weapons which I enjoyed for about a year. Now I'm mostly back to my ship bounty hunting and trucking. Honestly, every time I play I have at least one 'wow' moment about how great it looks. The lighting, the planets, the stations, and the ships, all looking really nice. Horizons just looks so dated now, I just wouldn't be interested hence me liquidating the playstation account to feed the creds to the PC account.
@@betterdays3249 cheers for info. Well, I fired up odyssey on update13, saw my chrome paintjob still looked whack (tarnished) in the hangar/menu, so switched back to horizons assuming it still wasn't fixed. I really like elite, just not anything odyssey has brought to the table, well, except maybe the Scorpion, but barely used it.
I never wanted legs, hence why I uninstalled elite on the Odyssey trailer. For Fdev to say "No legs will ever be a part of the plan" then 1 year later say "all we have is legs, at the cost of the whole already existing game." It was always obvious this was going nowhere.
The only two features I got out of Odyssey which I love are the on-foot exploration and atmosphere planets. I didn't care much for the fps side I am an explorer, not a fighter.
Was anything even added to consoles besides that cut scene. I’m literally pacing my house rn ranting to the gods about this , so infuriating. I had just gotten into the game too when they gave up on us. Morons
That's the thing. I *want* them to be done with Odyssey. I want more Elite: Dangerous. Focus on the game you have, not try to reach feature parity with competing games. What does more Elite: Dangerous look like? Continued VR support with supplemental gameplay. Fixing of size/scale issues with ships. Rebalancing of core gameplay loops like mining, smuggling, and bounty hunting. Faster paced storytelling. More ships with new/innovative ways of attainment, like with materials for the XG7 series, with power play ranks, or even minor faction ranks. (maybe even ships that deviate from the pilots federation standardization of HUD and module compatibility, hence why they aren't for sale open market) Revitalized exploration for standard ships, as right now lacking a fleet carrier makes exploration seem futile and unrewarding (like riding a bicycle across the country instead of taking a plane). Seemless transition from a planets surface to orbital station. (Yes, I'm referring to ship interiors, which would require them to fix the "scale issues.” but doesn't it seem weird to you that you can walk every square inch of the galaxy on your own two feet except for the 10 steps from your chair to the ramp?)
Yknow, with Braben gone, it’s very possible that this game can rise from the ashes, and be the game we all once loved so much, again. If they spend their time and effort fixing a lot of the issues that Odyssey has, as well as adding more highly-requested QoL features, then I fully believe this could make a better comeback than No Man’s Sky did
No Man's Skys Comeback will be hard to top. The pure dedication to their game you could feel in every update of NMS ist something that I haven't seen in Elite for years. And I don't think that the reason for that is Braben alone
Fdevs public announcements are like politician rallies. "Say whatever you can to keep them calm but no matter what, you must never actually take any positive action"
Would have much rather seen ship interiors then an attempt to take on SC. If you want to walk about, let’s walk about in the ships we have spent years customizing.
But we dont want ship interiors, and if Frontier did want to bless us with them, we would only be ungreatful and ask for more and more and more. Frontier are just looking out for us, they know we would only get bored. Any way, go drive on that barron and baige planet for a couple of hours looking for grade 5 materials and be happy.
@@Malthaelx1 Frontier's CMs last year: "You think you want ship interiors, but you don't." All the CMDRs leaving Elite and installing Star Citizen last year: "Actually, no, we really do." If the argument is that ship interiors would get boring to walk through after the first dozen times, why is the walk from the ship to the hangar elevator long, repetitive, and even more empty and boring than ship interiors? Most tone deaf thing out of Arf's mouth last year and he said some real whoppers besides that.
@@elixwhitetail That's a good point about the hangar walk. Could say the same about the Vulture ride to on-foot CZs. Would be nice if you could at least stay there for another round. They like to waste our time in ways that they prefer, I guess.
Imagine if instead of doing odyssey, they focused on improving horizons and adding content to it. They could be just kept improving the space side of the game and be so much better off
I just bought a PC and installed Odyssey after 2000 hours in Horizons on Xbox. I like the Odyssey features and the ability to get put and walk bur I have to say that I prefer the console game play better. Just hard to believe that they couldn't make Odyssey or a light version for consoles. I fell like FDev owes me $1100.
@@madprophetus you mean the last 5 people that are still playing? nah if they don't pull off the ship interiors this game is doomed, i mean its basically on life support at this point, the issue is not with the features but the poor execution
I can only imagine the community response and player resurgence if they announced ship interiors with gameplay elements. Why does that have to be a fantasy?
Because FDEV Stated "Everything is too hard or complicated" now they are focused on their boring discounted Dino game, while 2 monkeys throw bannanas at each other and pretend to be Developers for ED.
Wanna make the game better???? Ad back in VR support and focus back on space exploration instead of being a FPS in space. You had a unique product that fulfilled the adventurer in all of us and was the best place to go for awe inspiring sights experienced in VR like no other game.........and then you left us for the fortnight crowd.........Thanks Elite for taking the ONLY game where I could have that experience......and turning it into an experience that I can get in every other game out there. Thanks again Elite.
Wait for the console save transfer to be cancelled 'Oh we can't do it' or they do it and they only transfer your name and money no ships or items, they screwed the pooch when they after 12 months ? said 'were cancelling consoles' but all the way along they said yes its coming ... They lied to every console player expect the worst with the transfer they are 'offering' allegedly.
They coulnd't reasonably claim that because there is a video and screenshots of a Cmdr who accidently accessed their console commander from their PC client, by syncing the Xbox account to the PC account in the Frontier dashboard. Meaning the software was able to do that out of the box. Fdev has to DISABLE THIS and called a 'BUG'. The reason why is because the CMDR saves are stored on the Frontier database server and only the ARX point balances are stored on the respective console companies. This also means that cross-play is technically possible, but again, Fdev turned this off. Let that sink in.
I couldn't care less about Thargoids in elite, I think Frontier would be better served getting other parts of the game up to scratch rather then focusing on combat all the time.
Yep, the reality is Odyssey has significantly damaged E:D's popularity and Frontier's reputation. It's safe to say that it will keep going downhill unless Frontier do a *complete overhaul* of Odyssey, and implement highly requested QoL features such as walking around your ship interior.
@@esoel This one gets it. After the abomination of Odyssey was released, and crushed the company, all upper management involved should have immediately been fired. (Well, they should have been fired 2 years before Odyssey, but oh well) The fact they were all allowed to stick around, and act like nothing was wrong, shows just how rotten FDEV is at the top.
Imagine if they had literally just started with walking around the bridge/horizons planets for tech/social space demonstration, with incremental additions.
The best way to fix elite is to get working on a sequel that fixes the problems, rather than trying to sustain a live service game with no live services and no subscriptions.
"We're not trying to be done with ED" yeah it took you like 3-4 years to progress the story of the Thargoids? Goes to show how much they 'care' about the game's development.
8 years, and we still have the same atmospheric planet gfx 7:58 How bout some graphical updates? And heck, some new astronomical objects to find out there would be nice.
"We not trying to be done with Elite Dangerous Odyssey". Could have fooled me. All indications that you are done with ED have all been there for a long time.
Too late, I don't care anymore. This game development has been accross the years too slow and too lazy. Compared to other games fdev has always done the bare minimum and things will not get better in the future so I'm done with this game. It's time to move on...
The criticism absolutely falls on deaf ears because players have been asking to walk around their ships for years and Frontier have outright said, "We're never doing that." Meanwhile, no one was asking for a half-assed FPS, but that's what we got.
At the same time they said "space legs is not in our 10 year plan." 1 year later they announced Odyssey and I ran a mile. Im still running and never giving fdev another penny!
There is ONE realistic way for Elite/Odyssey to make a comeback. SHIP-INTERIORS!!! (And I really wished that Content-Creators like you would give this topic more attention again, should you ever read this comment ObsidianAnt ...) If Odyssey really provides FDev with "a lot of tools we have available to us, on the development side" then they HOPEFULLY make USE of these tools! There is ONE chance ... ONE. And if 2023 goes by without it being seized. That's it. Most of us probably won't even check on news about Elite like these anymore ...
If they started work on ship interiors today, I doubt they'd have anything workable to show before 2024 unless they half-assed it so hard it wasn't even worth doing in the first place. After watching Star Citizen take several years to do it right - in a game that they were building from the start to have ship interiors you were supposed to walk around in - I know that it will take Frontier a good while. Especially with how quickly they develop new features now.
“There is no day where we don’t talk about Charts and we want to do better” Then DO better Frontier! Action’s speak louder than words. My worry is that Frontier is so disconnected from their community STILL that they don’t exactly understand how they can become better.
Haven't played for a while. I was impressed by Odyssey on a technical level, but it did not add anything to the game that I actually want to do. For me, Elite is about flying spaceships, not playing Doom. Anything that makes flying spaceships more fun (like richer NPC crew interaction) would probably get me playing again.
No excuse for the way Frontier have behaved. This is a long way short of the apology that’s needed as the bare minimum. Always MVP with them. Don’t hold your breath for any real quality.
How to fix elite dangerous Step one, buy Unreal engine 5 Step two, rebuild elite in Unreal Step 3, add ship interiors and ship customisation and UI colour options Step 4, design actually fun missions Step 5, release with full cross platform ability for console and PC Step 6, Elite is great, make money. But nope they’ll just add more grind and them saying they’ll give console players a pc account shows they’ve completely abandoned us console players who don’t have gaming PC’s hence why we play on console!!!
Can you imagine if Fdev communicated to us about all this tool stuff BEFORE the launch. We would of been way more understanding. I love hearing about the technical achievements of things like planetary nav mesh. Star Citizen does it right. Communication is key.
0:45 Seeing the footage there looks amazing. I’ll never be able to forgive them for pulling console support. Even though I’ve still got the game installed and have Arks in my account, I just can’t go back on it since they pulled support.
@@elixwhitetail I'm pretty proficient at not having to look at my keyboard and I mostly game on a flat surface anyway so it really doesn't have a negative impact on gameplay even if it isn't the most ideal execution.
@@nullvoid8941 Cheers to you for being able to enjoy it, but a lot of VR CMDRs are purists in that sense and did not find it nearly as acceptable as you do.
@01:57 They always say they are listening to feedback, well maybe they are, but they never act on it and that's the issue and one they don't seem able or willing to grasp. It's been this way since the game was launched and they shut down down the Design Discussion Forum. They said at one of the Lavecon presentations '"We're making the game we want to play", well that's why it's in such a mess, how about making a game your paying customers want to play instead.
Fix the frame rate in Odyssey, make the planets look like they do in horizons, actually balance the on foot combat, add a few more gameplay loops that help to make you feel like you're actually playing a live service mmo, then advertised the game. I started playing in the last year and I love the space side game but I had absolutely no idea it existed until someone told me who played it. It needs to be advertised but only after they fix the atrocious jank of odyssey. Oh and everybody who's never played this game and knows about it thinks it's the most boring thing in the world so you got to do something to change that too.
Odyssey was a mess and seemed to undo much of the hard work of the game. VR, bin it. Console players, nah Fk em. Planet generation, meh it'll do. Performance, what's that? Epic fps content, nah lets have a generic point control mini game.....
This! So many good ideas that go by completely ignored... Instead it's like: Want new ships? How about we present new skins fo moneeehhh? Want space legs and ship interiors? Allright, behold the mediocre on-foot space combat with mechanics compared to 10+ yo FPS games. Sad how they waste their opportunities
@@90Ferd and we could have had so much if they treated it like a game and not a cash cow. The skins dhould have been faction exclusives and rewards. Or worn by npcs. Why are there no real differences in factions beyond ship types? Does faction a like lasers more than b? Do the pirates have pirate paint? All this flare and NONE of it is represented in the universe to make it feel that much more alive.
The biggest problem with Frontier is they're pretty much all talk and no real action. I think I've been hearing since engineers released that oh trust us we've really got something good this time, and they never deliver.
Adding that cut scene to consoles is like showing you the steak that you can't eat. Absurd. They say that they have constant meeting to discuss how to improve the game. Oh boy... That was easy more than a year ago: Do what players want. Simple. You don't even have to think, because the players gave you all the ideas. But no, they had to do... this. This stupid FPS, not a single new ship, no ship interiors, more grind, useless weapons that are the equivalent as the ASP Scout, no quest missions, for instance for the engineers, no better stellar forge, iconic bodies nerfed, the panet tech is a joke, and a new super thrilling exploration mechanic consisting in staring at space mushrooms.
I wasted so much money on Elite only for Fdev to just throw us all in the trash. I don't play the game anymore, but I still hate follow it just to see how long it takes this ship to sink.
Maybe it's not encouraging that it's 2022 and FDEV just a few weeks ago managed to finally figure out how to do something as basic as have a narrative cutscene play in the game. As far a accomplishments go, that's a pretty low bar to set. I see tons of other games out there that have WAY smaller dev teams and WAY lower budgets that still manage to do WAY more with their games on a WAY faster timeline. Kinda makes me wonder what people at places like FDEV and CIG do all day for years at a time with seemingly so little accomplished compared to what other studios seem to be able to do faster and better with much fewer resources. It's a mystery.
You can say a lot of things about SC's development speed but you can't say they aren't accomplishing anything. You can park a vehicle inside a ship inside a ship and the physics engine doesn't smite everyone. Ship to ship refueling is now a thing. The actor status system is increasingly a thing with in-depth medical and survival statuses (including eating/drinking). They just increased the server player caps from 50 to 100. 109 ships and vehicles can be bought in-game. Random loot generation is now in and a whole bunch of weapons are now loot-only instead of being sold in shops. There's a river on microTech and it's a testbench for a river tool where a few clicks will drop thousands on a planet. New content and features every three months. How is this in any way not accomplishing things, unless the only thing you consider "accomplished" is a fully-featured finished game and you can't accept anything less?
Right? This is really the most frustrating and baffling part of Elite over the last 5ish years. The only explanation is wildly incompetent management. Not just incompetent, but actively harmful to the company. I can't believe they've been allowed to stick around and damage the company so much.
@@vinlypine9198 Actually, it's because the inside of ships are self-contained independent frames of reference with their own internal physics grid. You can drive a buggy around inside a ship while the ship is in flight without clipping through the floor or exploding. The list of games that properly allow this is very short.
Buy's elite dangerous because he wants to play six degrees of freedom space combat. Invests hundreds of dollars towards quality controls. Controls which are also compatible with fellow users on console. Developer does 180 on you and puts all of their time and energy into creating a first person shooter. A game mode where every other triple a title has already been there and back and succeeded far more on a dedicated engine. Entire industry is curious whether or not this completely narrative free and minimal storyline game will get any actual content to expand it.
I feel your pain, hence why when Odyssey was announced I bailed. FDev already got enough money from me for a game that stopped all progress. Odyssey is not Elite, they may aswell bolt Jurassic World into Elite now, each planet is now flat enough for your own 'build a theme park minigame' which would have as much relevance as 'Halo with spud guns'/Odyssey.
"We can still make this better" they say. Well of course you can Frontier. I don't think I own a game that has more potential to be better. Every update is like dropping a pebble into the ocean of potential that is Elite: Dangerous.
They should be done with it! they made the best space flight sim we could have ever hoped for and then threw it away for some generic shooter. if they had a single brain cell they would forget about it (as we have) and work on new ships, new vehicle gameplay like racing, utilise the que finder for 1vs1s etc. make group content more viable and fun not this multicrew garbage teleport our ships to eachother! frameshift space fold that works like a rubber band pulling you back when you next engage the drive. there easy lore friendly excuse for the game not to suck and players to actually play together. enough with the flavour none-content. GAMEPLAY IS KING
That seems a little bit unworldly to me, that Frontier claims to be a pioneer of live-service gaming. There were others, that are at least as successfull and surely more famous as Frontier, that had started many years before Frontier. But this fits perfectly in my picture of Frontier: They are living in their own world and players should buy the game as often as possible (several commanders) but should not further bother or annoy them.
There were obviously other live-service games before it, but I feel like the most glaring comparison is this: Warframe released a year before ED, compare the popularity and health of each game.
Good on them, but that's two of the weakest non-committal answers I've heard. 1) "there are things we could still do better here" and 2) "we aren't trying to stop work on odyssey".... Everything about these responses say that they have moved on, whether they want to stay or not. Other priorities have won and this is a save-face while making a different strategic decision to move to a new game
The main issue they have is they believe an expansion is a separate gameplay loop added to their game rather than something that enhances their current gameplay loop. If you enjoy trading, you will find it very difficult to buy materials that you need to upgrade your jump drive. I don't know if this has changed but as a trader you should be able to buy materials with your credits like you would a new ship but instead with engineering you are required to fit yourself a new ship which gets you to a planet in the middle of nowhere to abuse a save and reload feature to get yourself the needed materials. Same thing with on foot exploration. Being an elite trader making millions of credits an hour you would think you can buy the best armor money can buy, but no, the best armor money can buy requires you to run around illegally stealing items most of the time to hopefully get lucky and find a rare item that you can upgrade your armor with. It kills immersion because it forces you to be something you don't want to be in the game just for the sake of ensuring one gameplay loop doesn't give you an unfair advantage in another loop. At the end of the day knowledge of profitable trade runs and reflexes in firefights are the true advantages in the game, doesn't matter how many credits you have if a better skilled player comes along so, please, stop putting a wall between each of your new features because it's really becoming noticeable now that the pilot is separated from the ship, it actually feels like you are playing two separate games now which don't complement each other.
At this point, I think Frontier's best possible path forward is two steps: 1) make it stable. No glaring bugs, get rid of planetary tech issues 2) put their full efforts into narrative. Give us a story - a REASON to keep playing. Start in investing in the whole Raxxla myth. Make it an alternate galaxy that the guardians went to to get away from the thargoids. I don't care, but give us SOMETHING to do other than jump, scan, rinse and repeat.
I don't think they really ever listen to us, otherwise we'd have a whole suite of extremely easy-to-accomplish things in the game that enhance emergent gameplay instead of combat-centric grindy FPS cookie cutter stuff.
Bit late for that, they've already burned that bridge by first leading console players on for a year of hype and delays before finally admitting it's never going to happen and they're stopping all development on the consoles completely. If they reversed course now and tried to lure everyone back after driving them away, they'd look like they have absolutely zero clue of what they're doing. It's also still not optimized enough for the old gen, they'd Cyberpunk themselves (a second time, since that's basically what Odyssey PC launch was).
I started playing Elite just before Odyssey launched, and wasn't all that interested because I don't care for first person shooters, and had planned to be an explorer for a long time before moving on to other types of gameplay. I am still using Horizons as I have read that some people don't like the way Odyssey render planets, and I wanted to see some of the planets in Horizons before I move to Odyssey.
I'm still looking forward to get Odyssey at a good discount. Hard to believe it's as bad as the reviews would suggest. But I think they probably did mess up the pricing and the marketing. If they offered it for 19.99 in early access, marketing it as a fun addition to the game that will be polished and extended over time, the reception would have been different, I think.
2:23 👍 Just a heads-up OA, although you stated correctly, "...planning on releasing a transfer process..." sadly the auto-caption states, "not releasing" I've no idea how many viewers have hearing difficulties, or other reasons (loud music, whatever) but they got the wrong idea there.
I generally like the direction they have gone with Odyssey and the improvements they have made. But as an avid explorer currently on hiatus, I wish they would fix some of the most basic elements of the game: Their effing graphics: the texture and shadow popping, and the damn hard horizon lines. Good example at 4:16 - the atmosphere fades, the horizon does not. It's a solid line. It doesn't matter that the atmosphere is tenuous, the horizon should be hazy.
I'm really liking the additions that they're adding to Odyssey. I especially like that they are developing around narrative, which is very compelling. EX: Using their new toybox to develop cutscenes for update releases with the community team staying in character with the release, charging the Proteus wave. It's a brilliant game that is still very much in development. I really look forward to what they have next!
"We Are NOT Trying To Be DONE With Odyssey" sounds like every other company that has forgotten that they make products for consumers and not for themselves. I have never experienced the entertainment industry as a whole deciding that it knows whats better for it's paying customers than the paying customers do, like they have recently. "They'll like it regardless of how it damages our company!!!!! and if they don't they can leave" sounds like a much more applicable statement. Best part is that no start-up company ever has an attitude like this......only after they've got your money and become sucessfull off the back of their fans that they pull this shit! Entitled developers are just as bad as the entitled fans they despise! At least I'm done with YOU!
as a software developer, my takeaway here is that the 4.0 update seems to polish up the code base, possibly with extensive refactoring to get back in line with architecture again. in any software development program with limited time and/or budget its not unknown to have technical debt and in a game that consists of a lot of different aspects and professions you can imagine that that will provide you with a lot of technical difficulties as long as they're not corrected. I also wouldn'y be surprised if consoles are adding another layer of complexity here which hampers the development. A few years back I've played APB: Reloaded for quite some time. a game which has died in the few years after it was acquired by a small and passionate development team that was promising to refactor the game. the game had been facing tremendous development issues to the point where the only 'content' they could add to the game was a new map every now and then, add a different kind of mission using the same mechanics that were already implemented and add some new weapons because these all basically fit the same template with different stats. this process for them started back in 2018 where they started unifying all of the code base to Unreal Engine 3.5 (previously built in unreal 3 and Visual Studio 2012!) and then upgrade to unreal 4. fast forward to today they are still working on that same process. Software development done shitty can be a hell of a task to correct and a game doesn't just consist of code. I hope that Frontier is making a same kind of step with this elite 4.0 update and im here for it.
Well yet another spot on discussion mate! Regarding Braben moving up... so you have to fail so miserable they move you away from the company cash cow? Good riddance, should have happened sooner... Promoting Brabens lapdog ARF will also prove to be a mistake but I digress, not doing the hard or right (keeping Horizons over the dumpster-fire Odyssey drove alot of us vets away). I even paid the big bucks early on when Braben made all the promises that were vapor ware. Now we have a shite client with even more shite ground play and the same grindy-shite we have been asking for them to remove for years. I put up with the grind-fest in Horizons but I just can't do this anymore, love your content mate even the ED reporting and I do mean the the acronym that we giggle about when we say E.D. cheers!
I’ll believe progress when I see progress. It is nice to hear them actually acknowledge the issues Odyssey has. Recognizing there is a problem is the first step in correcting it.
ITS LUGIT ALL WE EVER REALLY GET ...MOST ARE SICK OF WORDS AND HALF ASS ATTEMPTS to engage with the community
A year late and an expansion short...
I wouldn't even expect anything to come out of them acknowledging an issue either though.
Like, we've seen plenty of promises and were only met with lies and deception, and they kept people on a short leash until they simply dropped those "ain't gonna happen anymore" and then moved on like nothing happened.
Already I got a feeling that the next content update will contain nothing interesting, at least nothing that will breathe new life into this game. We'll probably just get green-humans fighting us and pass it off as new gameplay, and that'll be it.
Honestly, at this point, I'm just even looking forward more to other similar games. Hell, even Star Citizen looks like it has a far more promising future. When I look at that game I just keep thinking "what Elite could've been.."
"We're listening to the community, it's why we let them vote on things to fix and then we drop the most voted thing, lulz" Frontier, probably ... 🙄
@@WillOfXiaZynexia especially when the community is being impossible to deal with.
We live in our ships. That's why we want ship interiors, even if there isn't a lot of gameplay: the ship is our home. Maybe it would be mostly a thing for longer term exploration. How do I handle environmental control and life support, black tank, grey tank, water and air purification, O2 resupply. and so on. In the Bubble a lot of this would be handled each time we dock and refuel. But in the black?
Fully agree, after all these years from Alpha the fact we still can’t walk around our ships (unless you use VR and a long cable lol) is a huge reason why the original older players are moving on.
ED stop with the new silly stuff, redo whatever you need to give us interiors and the ability to walk around our ship and like many, I’ll be back to play!
They should've just said no. legs are a completely different game.
They should've focused on what the game does very well: Using your space ship to do things. Give us more things to do with a much greater mission variety, more things to discover with varying degrees of rarity, new space station designs, put work into making existing systems better. Space legs was a mistake.
@@seveneternal7988 I think it won't be hard if you fake it a little and put the player in a virtual area rather than physically inside of the ship and don't show the player walking around to players in other ships, though I don't know how the servers work.
@@BB-nn9en 100% correct. Improved cooperation and a better, player driven, in-game economy would drastically improve the game. Instead of legs, they should have allowed players to use resources for space bases or something.
@@BB-nn9en You’re forgetting that they said yes back in the alpha and beta that’s why all of us old time elite players backed to them.
The first time I stood up in a sidewinder with VR on and was able to walk around most of the cockpit I was absolutely blown away that they had already done it, and it just seemed like just textures to finish it.
Here we are years later, they went back on the promise of a single player game, space legs, and a million other things.
Still a cool game through but time to move on.
"we're not TRYING to be done with odyssey... but our incompetence and lack of appreciation for our playerbase means we are, maybe, kind of possibly, accidentally, inadvertently, secretly... done with odyssey."
We're not TRYING to be done with Odyssey...but we are done with Elite.
Indeed... 5+yrs of poor design and management has basically achieved that... Even David Braben is done with it...
Honestly, one of my biggest gripe is that the planets are bald. I remember landing on a planet with huge canyons when I first started playing, and now they're almost completely flat on every planet I land on. It killed exploration for me. If they wanted the biologicals to be interesting, they really should have made those procedurally generated so that there would be more variation across the galaxy.
The second biggest gripe is how dated foot combat feels. They said it would be like battlefield, but that's a MASSIVE stretch. It's still super clunky.
The third is the same gripe we've always had. It's still a grindy game, and FDEV have done nothing to resolve that since the game was first released.
I'm on console so not really sure what you mean. Are you saying that after Odyssey, planets that had some interesting geology are flatter?
@@Thiniking Look up videos comparing Horizons and Odyssey planets, but make sure you get more recent ones because when Odyssey first came out the tech was bugged and every planet looked like melted oatmeal and they've done a bunch of work to at least make them generate the way they _want_ them to. The planet tech was completely changed with Odyssey.
I haven't really had that experience. I've been several beautifully contoured worlds in Odyssey. I get that some planets might not look as good as they did in Horizons, but I bet there are at least as many that look better in Odyssey than in Horizons. People just don't talk about those, lol
and their answers to everything was to make it more grindy...
Honestly buddy I think the exact opposite. While I agree on foot combat can be better, planets in Odissey looks much much more realistic, with distinct geological features, better illumination and no more cartoonish style colors and shades. Illumination in space is really flat because you do not have diffraction, only hard shadows and flat gradients, also the topology of many planets was waaaay off, now the displacement map is much better (while maybe "less fun" let's say). I say I like them much more than horizon! For the grinding aspects I think ultimately it's a player choice. While I play I like to be free and set my own goal, like a light roleplay and I avoid grind for credits or ranks. I still agree there are some grindy aspects for some achievements, but as I said I think it's more dependent on a player's personal goals and playstyle! Not trying to bring down your opinion, just reporting my personal experience! Fly safe commander! o7
my issues with odyssy were that it seemed to be developed by people who didn't know what elite is.
why can buy 1 ton of handheld weapons in cargo for 7000, but all the weapons are crazy priced.
why does a base pistol cost 5 times as much as a ship
why does a suit cost 20 times what a ship does
why does a handheld kinetic rifle do more DPS then a ship based multi-cannon that masses more the gau-8 tank killer on the a10 aircraft.
oh and i mainly play in vr and that sealed it.
That's what happens when you introduce new things to an economy that's been running for years without effective credit sinks so there are people out there with billions of credits.
Bad planning.
balance!
you're absolutly right and that shows one of the problems with elite: They never had a real plan of how to expand the game so they slabt things on it. Like elixwhitetail said, there was no credit sinkhole so the whole economy went down the drain. Same with missions vs normal trading. You can make millions with a single mission run where you haul cargo from a to b. Try this without a mission just with normal trading. Not a chance, even with the same cargo.
combine this with developers who have no real vision or idea on how to expand the game and give it more real content and there we are, odissey. A bad fps, no real other stuff then shooting in a settlement.
Things they introduced and completly ignored:
Codex - still no rumors or so. This thing is dead as it can be
Powerplay - lets just not talk about it
Scanner - good idea, nothing to come, wasted effort
first person exploration - went from reaction mini game to basicly nothing
random voiced missions - never see one of them and no more real development here
Sadly i would say: Start new from scratch and develope elite dangerous 2. Maybe this could get better but the current game seems to be stuck for too long.
Not gonna defend most of those questions, but for weapons in cargo - it is the same logic as in real life, where self-cost of an item is low, but final price on retail is high to cover up all the money trader spent. Weapon cargo (if think by logic) is a sealed crate and if you open it up yourself, you make all of it's content illegal unless you are the retailer.
Clothing and weapons prices are more of a balance needs, due to how weird it would be to buy hold full of best suits, weapons with mods after 1 mining session.
Yet another grind is coming to the game, where we’ll need to travel 1000+ lys somewhere on some random planet, only to do yet another gardian puzzle, in order to unlock a new maguffin. That we’ll then will need to "Energise" or "Power Up" the new maguffin. Then bring said maguffin to relevant NPC. Rinse and repeat the process 8-10 times until all the new maguffins have been unlocked. Build and engineer a new ship with all the Thargoid maguffins, and start fighting the new "Super Powerful" Thargoids in the same exact fashion as before. The only difference, is that we will have red anti-thargoid weapons instead of the blue gardian ones.
Not gone lie, I would love to see a weapon in Elite named the grand maguffin
Is "8-10 times" before or after the community outrage over the amount of grind per maguffin?
so true
LoL maybe y’all should try a different game, sounds like it’s lost it’s luster for y’all. 🤓
@@byron_00 Lets say after lol
Luke Betterton, 2020: "Odyssey will launch simultaneously on PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4 in early 2021. We are committed to keep supporting the existing Elite Dangerous communities regardless of their platform of choice." = Everything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Truth frontier has lied from the beginning
Betterton wasn't team lead back then, that change happened only a few months ago.
@@treya4740 How does that change the fact his pre-launch statements about Odyssey and Frontier's approach to platform inclusivity were misleading? (at best)
Honestly glad they dropped console development. It was using up resources better spent focusing on pc where 99% of players are. you can only shovel time and money into a hole for so long before you realize the hole isn’t giving you anything back.
Game development doesn’t run on the well wishes and goodwill of a few players. Which is all console development got them.
@@woodrow7696 99% - huge exaggeration. The console games market still dwarfs the PC games market in terms of retail sales. Short sighted. Most decent games are releasing cross platform to maximise reach - and dev profit = more money for expansions. Not targeting consoles basically signals a lack of investment in the game. Hence: narrative over content.
If they want to bounce back, everyone has said it a thousand times. Bring ship interiors to the game and allow us to create colonies or structures on these billions of planets. This game still has so much potential, but I feel like additions to the story is not going to keep this ship afloat. I like to explore, not fight all the time. Really hope Elite bounces back and brings VR as well.
You took. the words right out of my mouth.
Yup, I'd love them to bring VR to Odyssey and get rid of that godawful big flat screen but I don't think their engine is up to it unfortunately 😕
Ship interiors would take them at least 2-3 years to do if they started today. Just ship interiors. The game can't handle another 3-year update drought only to finally add ship interiors after Arf said "you don't want them". They've painted themselves into the corner with floor-dissolving paint so they can't get out.
This 100%
@@Roughpaws_Studio I don't think it's a technical limitation. I have every in game setting at max and the on-foot camera mode is still pretty smooth. Making it first person and adding a 2D-hud wouldn't make much of a difference. It would probably improve it since your CMDR wouldn't have to be rendered.
Edit: I've heard it's for balance reasons in on-foot PvP. I guess VR users might have an advantage if they can look and shoot in different directions? I dunno.
This game has had minimal effort put into it for years and people still expect it to just be magically good one day. Never going to happen.
Elite's community has been in denial for years. People will continue to think ship interiors are coming until the day the game goes offline lol
Exactly
The management situation is the problem. Overhaul the development process and thats 6/10 problems fixed
A good point. Also it's a Kickstarter thing so do not expect they keep their promices. They actually could run away with money and no one would do anything to them.
Yeah I like the on foot stuff, but it is sad that a spaceship game hasn't had a new ship in 4 years.
True that. They seemed to basically run out of ideas.
I would take ship interiors over new ships any day. Amount of ships already good enough
@@Jurgir09 they'd have to do something, though. Like let you run repairs or fight boarding parties. Just being able to wonder around it isn't enough.
I was really hoping for new ships with odyssey.
@@Rapscallion2009 Idk when Horizons first came out landing on planets was the novelty even though though there wasn't much to do.
People still did it though, just because they could.
For a game that has such a heavy emphasis on procedural generation, I'd really like to see the mission system overhauled; or at least developed with more open-ended gameplay as a possibility. Imagine if that simple mining contract turned into a pirate shakedown where, should you capitulate to handing over your hard earned ore, the mission provider updates the contract into retributive strike against the pirate faction, or even provides data on where you can go to recover the stolen cargo (possibly leading to an onfoot assault/infiltration of a pirate base/ship/station). This game could be so much more if the missions weren't such closed-loop win/fail minigames.
Fascinating idea, I really like this!
Or just...ANYTHING!
people have been complaing about the one dimensional mission system since alpha sadly, with suggestions same as yours, but the mission system has stayed the same like this ever since. as much as i would like branching/procedural missions, i don't think we will ever get it. that's the sort of expanding features/content i want in Elite but we haven't even got a new spaceship in 4 or so years in a spaceship game...
@@gustavvonrauch8942 Yeah, likely. The linked mission system they have currently was a step in the right direction but it's another feature left fallow.
Emphasis? Reliance. They quite literally cannot do anything but pray to the RNG gods.
Their communication around 4.0 all but confirms what I was suspecting all along. They no longer have the development talent in-house that’s capable of working on the old code, so they’re unable to add or modify any existing systems like ships or stations beyond extremely superficial things like skins. They needed to move everything to a new code base in order to make any deeper changes to the non-Odyssey part of the code, but it took them way too long to realize this and lost 80% of their player base in the process it looks like. The worst part is it’s probably due to management and not the devs themselves, which means all of this was avoidable.
Oh man this is very likely yeah! Never thought of a project this old and how the older code base could affect it. I've worked on many projects but never one as old as Elite. It's a risk I've never even considered in my QA planning.
I'm curious to know, does Frontier want to do something like this? Is this a game which could have a life of decades into the future? I'm not completely cued up on coding etc, but know that Rust for example, completely remade the game, changed engines etc, and now will likely be around for as long as I live. Maybe it won't be in development forever but it certainly doesn't seem to be slowly down.
Surely in the space game genre the possibilities are endless. Didn't they just introduce base building in Star Citizen? Are you kidding me?! Rust in Space!
@@billyoda ED has a lifespan of 10 year in active development and is now on year... 7 I think. What that means is that: Maybe. Maybe it will be around for generations but once that 10 year roadmap ends development is most likely to end. Considering active players and such they might just decided to then leave it in life support mode. Keep the servers running, do some minor bug fixes but not anything else.
Bruh look at steam charts, there was a *gain* of players, stop being so pessimistic if you already left the game
@@PrometheanGOld4 If by gain you mean several dozen thousand drop
New game: for every Elite video, take a drink every time OA says "whatever that means", "I suspect", or "could be".
I'm going to be drunk. Somebody else had another drinking game for "only time will tell" and "it is this way now, but it may change later"...I'm sure there is more drinking games...I'll play them all.
I’ll be sure to add more than a pinch of salt to every shot.
How many times are they going to admit that the game has major issues and talk about how they are going to "improve gameplay" or have "better communication". It's a stupid manipulation tactic that I'm not falling for again. I have little hope that FDev will do anything for the game that will pull in players. All they can do is spew this crap to the community to try to hold on to what community they have left.
Exactly. They said absolutely nothing new here that they haven't been spewing since 2015.
@@StatueofGuyThinking That's the thing, though... Frontier aren't even good at being greedy. Ship interiors with decorations you can find by exploring, buying in-game, or, most importantly, with ARX, would have turned the game into a money printer.
So...
1- Break current AX weps to trigger a new grind.
2- Move the narrative into the game, AKA, Odyssey supported content to push players to upgrade or miss out.
3- Console players... Excuse me, who?
4- New toys... AKA grind to get new weps.
5- New ship... Excuse me, what?
I’m a console player because I’ve stuck with consoles since I got one. I also don’t have any PCs that can ran many games.
@@keeperofdragon409 I think he means from an FDev point of view, fortunately I’ve managed to overhaul my pc ready for my console move.
It is incredible to me that players have screamed for years and years for walking around your ship, and they did everything but.
Having Player Control of the narrative is cool, but much less impressive if we *dont know about it*
Agreed. The importance of immersion by having the ability to get out the cockpit and walk around your ship can't be underestimated in a realistic space sim. Not to mention all the cool game mechanics they could have introduced with ship interiors, like basic module repairs, changing parts, stabilising frame shift drive after an unexpected emergency, etc, etc. I imagine ship interiors would have been way easier to implement than ground based pew pew. Shame FDev never listen to the community 😕
Classic case of "we know what you want more than you do". Just look at their disdain toward the issue when the situation was confirmed, their own comments about how "it doesn't add to game play" etc. Zero imagination with zero interest in what they've been told for several years.
The excuse was something along the lines of : "You think you want to walk around your ship but really, you don't. It will only be fun for a couple of times".
Like they really care. After it's sold it's sold. Board of investors happy (which is really all they care about). That was already an excuse for "We don't have the technical know-how to do that".
They even said ship interiors would be too boring... but then added carrier interiors and megaship interiors.... and the Apex taxi service.
players screamed for years and years for space legs, and look where that got us. This game needs to stop trying to be star citizen and remember how to be elite.
Pffft, they always say they are listening to feedback and then they go and give us what they think we should have rather than what we actually want.
Such a weird choice of words, why include “trying” in that statement?
They have a weird way of “listening” to players. If I remember correctly, they went in a spree of banning every person that said anything critical about Odyssey on the forums.
Between the flat out lies in marketing for Odyssey, the years of ignoring good ideas from the community, and their authoritarian silencing of criticism, Frontier have burned their trust for me, forever.
Saying words in interviews and blog posts is easy, actually delivering anything meaningful? Well…. FDEV haven’t done that in a very, very long time.
Evidence or it never happened.
@@Wylie288 That's the fun thing, if you're not a moderator the evidence is hidden away because they delete offending posts rathere than allow moderation actions to sit in the light of day for people to examine. I can assure you it definitely happened, including banning people I know personally from chat on their livestreams for simply asking when Odyssey will be coming to consoles (before they announced it absolutely was not). Frontier does not comment on bans, they sweep it under the rug like it never happened.
They banned KaiZen, host of Black Sky Legion (formerly Elite Week) for "drug references" because he described the author of the pulp scifi story that the concept of The Dark Wheel was pulled from as "a pothead author" but there are dozens if not hundreds of people talking about smoking pot or whatever who don't get touched, and never mind that their own game has drugs, Onionhead is basically future weed. What they actually wanted him gone for was because he was in their pre-Odyssey content creators secret club and he told them what they didn't want to hear, that Odyssey was going to go over very badly and their plans were going to backfire (and oh look they sure as hell did, Frontier's lost half their market cap since Odyssey launched).
@@Wylie288 which is pretty much what Bruxxus, correctly, said.
Yep, I got banned. That's the thanks I got for backing the game for £750 on Kickstarter. Frontier (and by extension Elite) are now dead to me.
I was banned for called frontier FDeaf. Remarkable! I was later reinstated after complaining but the heavy handed behaviour is not forgotten. Their single mind pursuit of profits and numbers by turning ED into CoD by burning the exploration community is not forgotten either!
"We not _trying_ to be done with [ED]" - A quantum of assurance to the community from Frontier now that Braben's buggered off.
“Buggered off”? He’s still there as a newly president and not as CEO.
@@wiser3754 Braben's presence for ED hasn't been felt in years. He used to attend the livestreams from time-to-time, then just a Christmas, then after the first disastrous launch of Horizons due to it being a grotesquely buggy mess, nothing from them on.
The new boss wants to make sure he still has a job in the future 🙄
Clearly you didn’t read anything but the headline.
When they dropped consoles, I was out. Which is a shame because the game has great potential. However, it made me discover no man's sky, a d that is awesome. No man's sky is no. 1 for me
Frontier chewed off their own leg by dropping the console community. They don’t deserve any playerbase on any platform.
Yet you're still here watching Elite videos.
Out looking in sucks.
@@powerhendrix don't be mad you can't afford a pc
I agree as they abandonned console players , Elite dangerous will be over real soon, I stop play the game forever , what a shame that I spend 10,000 hours on this game
@@powerhendrix I couldn't agree more!
What's really weird is how there's the foundation for a really, really good game in elite dangerous odyssey, yet they completely squandered it.
If I was still in game design, no doubt I'd write my thesis on exactly this.
I couldn’t agree more. I played this game for 1000s of hours and the whole time thinking how great a game framework they have, and was always waiting for them to make the actual game. When Odyssey came out it became clear that they were never going to. So I gave up and stopped playing. It’s a heart breaking shame. The potential is amazing.
@@SpudHead42 I was really hoping odyssey would give star citizen a proper kick in the butt, and at the very least give me something more stable to play in the meantime while I wait for that game to chug along it's slow development, but alas.
Well, I never wanted legs, I pre-ordered odyssey to show my support for this games development, but so far nothing in odyssey has been worth it. I still play in horizons because, to me, it just looks (and runs) better. I really hope if they are going to force me onto the odyssey engine, they have at least fixed the lighting, colour palette and contrasts, and also at least tried to make the paints jobs I bought look like they do in horizon.
I agree I never wanted Odyssey the game is great the way it was I don't need legs and running around shooting other npc and players. I could play call of duty for that
I don't know when you last played Ody but it looks really nice now. I play at 1080p on ultra with 60fps. I did all the all the on-foot 'grind' for good suits and weapons which I enjoyed for about a year. Now I'm mostly back to my ship bounty hunting and trucking. Honestly, every time I play I have at least one 'wow' moment about how great it looks. The lighting, the planets, the stations, and the ships, all looking really nice. Horizons just looks so dated now, I just wouldn't be interested hence me liquidating the playstation account to feed the creds to the PC account.
@@betterdays3249 cheers for info. Well, I fired up odyssey on update13, saw my chrome paintjob still looked whack (tarnished) in the hangar/menu, so switched back to horizons assuming it still wasn't fixed. I really like elite, just not anything odyssey has brought to the table, well, except maybe the Scorpion, but barely used it.
I never wanted legs, hence why I uninstalled elite on the Odyssey trailer. For Fdev to say "No legs will ever be a part of the plan" then 1 year later say "all we have is legs, at the cost of the whole already existing game." It was always obvious this was going nowhere.
The only two features I got out of Odyssey which I love are the on-foot exploration and atmosphere planets. I didn't care much for the fps side I am an explorer, not a fighter.
Was anything even added to consoles besides that cut scene. I’m literally pacing my house rn ranting to the gods about this , so infuriating. I had just gotten into the game too when they gave up on us. Morons
That's the thing. I *want* them to be done with Odyssey. I want more Elite: Dangerous.
Focus on the game you have, not try to reach feature parity with competing games.
What does more Elite: Dangerous look like? Continued VR support with supplemental gameplay. Fixing of size/scale issues with ships. Rebalancing of core gameplay loops like mining, smuggling, and bounty hunting. Faster paced storytelling. More ships with new/innovative ways of attainment, like with materials for the XG7 series, with power play ranks, or even minor faction ranks. (maybe even ships that deviate from the pilots federation standardization of HUD and module compatibility, hence why they aren't for sale open market) Revitalized exploration for standard ships, as right now lacking a fleet carrier makes exploration seem futile and unrewarding (like riding a bicycle across the country instead of taking a plane). Seemless transition from a planets surface to orbital station. (Yes, I'm referring to ship interiors, which would require them to fix the "scale issues.” but doesn't it seem weird to you that you can walk every square inch of the galaxy on your own two feet except for the 10 steps from your chair to the ramp?)
Yknow, with Braben gone, it’s very possible that this game can rise from the ashes, and be the game we all once loved so much, again. If they spend their time and effort fixing a lot of the issues that Odyssey has, as well as adding more highly-requested QoL features, then I fully believe this could make a better comeback than No Man’s Sky did
Who is Braben? CEO? Lead designer?
No Man's Skys Comeback will be hard to top. The pure dedication to their game you could feel in every update of NMS ist something that I haven't seen in Elite for years. And I don't think that the reason for that is Braben alone
Braben isn't gone. He's still president and creative director. If anything he has the opportunity to be more hands on than he's ever been.
I thought when Brookes and Samarco left things would work out for the better, unfortunately things just got worse, hard to believe.
Press F
Curious how big the console population was. The sting of being lopped off still hurts
Fdevs public announcements are like politician rallies. "Say whatever you can to keep them calm but no matter what, you must never actually take any positive action"
Would have much rather seen ship interiors then an attempt to take on SC. If you want to walk about, let’s walk about in the ships we have spent years customizing.
But we dont want ship interiors, and if Frontier did want to bless us with them, we would only be ungreatful and ask for more and more and more. Frontier are just looking out for us, they know we would only get bored. Any way, go drive on that barron and baige planet for a couple of hours looking for grade 5 materials and be happy.
I want ship interiors.
@@Malthaelx1 Frontier's CMs last year: "You think you want ship interiors, but you don't."
All the CMDRs leaving Elite and installing Star Citizen last year: "Actually, no, we really do."
If the argument is that ship interiors would get boring to walk through after the first dozen times, why is the walk from the ship to the hangar elevator long, repetitive, and even more empty and boring than ship interiors? Most tone deaf thing out of Arf's mouth last year and he said some real whoppers besides that.
@@elixwhitetail That's a good point about the hangar walk. Could say the same about the Vulture ride to on-foot CZs. Would be nice if you could at least stay there for another round. They like to waste our time in ways that they prefer, I guess.
@@luckylanno Making functional ship interiors are way more work than sticking you in a Vulture on auto-pilot.
FDEV: "We can still make this better" Me: Can you fix the skybox when in a large cluster of stars or at least the planets? FDEV : Not that though
It might sound like a small thing...but when Frontier stopped GalNet, it was a big red flag.
Imagine if instead of doing odyssey, they focused on improving horizons and adding content to it. They could be just kept improving the space side of the game and be so much better off
I just bought a PC and installed Odyssey after 2000 hours in Horizons on Xbox. I like the Odyssey features and the ability to get put and walk bur I have to say that I prefer the console game play better. Just hard to believe that they couldn't make Odyssey or a light version for consoles. I fell like FDev owes me $1100.
Yup. Many many of us tried to demonstrate to them that space legs wasn't necessary, but Frontier is really great at ignoring their customers.
@@kevinl.705 1100? wth
@@madprophetus you mean the last 5 people that are still playing? nah if they don't pull off the ship interiors this game is doomed, i mean its basically on life support at this point, the issue is not with the features but the poor execution
@@sharkpyro93 The game was doomed the second Universal gave them the advance on Jurassic Park Tycoon.
I can only imagine the community response and player resurgence if they announced ship interiors with gameplay elements.
Why does that have to be a fantasy?
Because FDEV Stated "Everything is too hard or complicated" now they are focused on their boring discounted Dino game, while 2 monkeys throw bannanas at each other and pretend to be Developers for ED.
Press X to doubt sincerity from FDev on this...
Frontier are the last people who care about the future of Elite Dangerous.
Wanna make the game better???? Ad back in VR support and focus back on space exploration instead of being a FPS in space.
You had a unique product that fulfilled the adventurer in all of us and was the best place to go for awe inspiring sights experienced in VR like no other game.........and then you left us for the fortnight crowd.........Thanks Elite for taking the ONLY game where I could have that experience......and turning it into an experience that I can get in every other game out there.
Thanks again Elite.
Update 13 was a cutscene and some small tweaks. Very underwhelming.
Careful what you wish for. We may just get the Lakon Type 8.
An invisible ship could turn the PvP meta on it's head!
Wait for the console save transfer to be cancelled 'Oh we can't do it' or they do it and they only transfer your name and money no ships or items, they screwed the pooch when they after 12 months ? said 'were cancelling consoles' but all the way along they said yes its coming ... They lied to every console player expect the worst with the transfer they are 'offering' allegedly.
They coulnd't reasonably claim that because there is a video and screenshots of a Cmdr who accidently accessed their console commander from their PC client, by syncing the Xbox account to the PC account in the Frontier dashboard. Meaning the software was able to do that out of the box. Fdev has to DISABLE THIS and called a 'BUG'. The reason why is because the CMDR saves are stored on the Frontier database server and only the ARX point balances are stored on the respective console companies. This also means that cross-play is technically possible, but again, Fdev turned this off. Let that sink in.
@@AgentExeider FDev, being assholes? Whaaaa 😲
@@AgentExeider that’s really frustrating to hear, and reaffirms how poorly FDev treated the console playerbase.
I couldn't care less about Thargoids in elite, I think Frontier would be better served getting other parts of the game up to scratch rather then focusing on combat all the time.
Yep, the reality is Odyssey has significantly damaged E:D's popularity and Frontier's reputation. It's safe to say that it will keep going downhill unless Frontier do a *complete overhaul* of Odyssey, and implement highly requested QoL features such as walking around your ship interior.
They need to do an overhaul of management...
@@esoel This one gets it.
After the abomination of Odyssey was released, and crushed the company, all upper management involved should have immediately been fired. (Well, they should have been fired 2 years before Odyssey, but oh well)
The fact they were all allowed to stick around, and act like nothing was wrong, shows just how rotten FDEV is at the top.
Imagine if they had literally just started with walking around the bridge/horizons planets for tech/social space demonstration, with incremental additions.
The best way to fix elite is to get working on a sequel that fixes the problems, rather than trying to sustain a live service game with no live services and no subscriptions.
"We're not trying to be done with ED" yeah it took you like 3-4 years to progress the story of the Thargoids? Goes to show how much they 'care' about the game's development.
Good to hear the understanding and awareness from Fdev. Translating that into action?
We've seen some already so I'm hopeful.
8 years, and we still have the same atmospheric planet gfx 7:58
How bout some graphical updates? And heck, some new astronomical objects to find out there would be nice.
"We not trying to be done with Elite Dangerous Odyssey". Could have fooled me. All indications that you are done with ED have all been there for a long time.
Funny how they always go to the media to say these things instead of saying it in live streams or on their pages.
Too late, I don't care anymore. This game development has been accross the years too slow and too lazy. Compared to other games fdev has always done the bare minimum and things will not get better in the future so I'm done with this game. It's time to move on...
I know right? I mean compare what elite have done over the last 5 years to what star citizen or even no man’s sky have done.
i see these comments on every video, if you really don't care, why did you watch the video?
@@adamnorbertszabo4351 Some people might like listening to Obsidian Ant’s videos, I dunno
@@adamnorbertszabo4351 because I'm subscribed to OA channel and I like the way he talks about videogames
The criticism absolutely falls on deaf ears because players have been asking to walk around their ships for years and Frontier have outright said, "We're never doing that." Meanwhile, no one was asking for a half-assed FPS, but that's what we got.
At the same time they said "space legs is not in our 10 year plan." 1 year later they announced Odyssey and I ran a mile. Im still running and never giving fdev another penny!
There is ONE realistic way for Elite/Odyssey to make a comeback.
SHIP-INTERIORS!!! (And I really wished that Content-Creators like you would give this topic more attention again, should you ever read this comment ObsidianAnt ...)
If Odyssey really provides FDev with "a lot of tools we have available to us, on the development side" then they HOPEFULLY make USE of these tools!
There is ONE chance ... ONE. And if 2023 goes by without it being seized. That's it. Most of us probably won't even check on news about Elite like these anymore ...
If they started work on ship interiors today, I doubt they'd have anything workable to show before 2024 unless they half-assed it so hard it wasn't even worth doing in the first place. After watching Star Citizen take several years to do it right - in a game that they were building from the start to have ship interiors you were supposed to walk around in - I know that it will take Frontier a good while. Especially with how quickly they develop new features now.
“There is no day where we don’t talk about Charts and we want to do better”
Then DO better Frontier! Action’s speak louder than words. My worry is that Frontier is so disconnected from their community STILL that they don’t exactly understand how they can become better.
Rule of Fdev. The more they deny something, the more likely it's true. Maintenance mode in 2024.
Haven't played for a while. I was impressed by Odyssey on a technical level, but it did not add anything to the game that I actually want to do. For me, Elite is about flying spaceships, not playing Doom. Anything that makes flying spaceships more fun (like richer NPC crew interaction) would probably get me playing again.
Agree that and full atmo landings. ED, still hasn’t captured anything near the awesomeness of Elite Frontier that I had in the 90s.
No excuse for the way Frontier have behaved. This is a long way short of the apology that’s needed as the bare minimum. Always MVP with them. Don’t hold your breath for any real quality.
How could update 13 "increase player interest" when you could experience 95% of it by watching a youtube video?
How to fix elite dangerous
Step one, buy Unreal engine 5
Step two, rebuild elite in Unreal
Step 3, add ship interiors and ship customisation and UI colour options
Step 4, design actually fun missions
Step 5, release with full cross platform ability for console and PC
Step 6, Elite is great, make money.
But nope they’ll just add more grind and them saying they’ll give console players a pc account shows they’ve completely abandoned us console players who don’t have gaming PC’s hence why we play on console!!!
This would take at least five or six years to do, and at that rate you might as well call it Elite V: No For Real We're Serious This Time.
@@elixwhitetail ahahaaa true. Would be good though. Might still actually get released before star citizen 🤷♂️🤣
Can you imagine if Fdev communicated to us about all this tool stuff BEFORE the launch. We would of been way more understanding. I love hearing about the technical achievements of things like planetary nav mesh. Star Citizen does it right. Communication is key.
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Seeing the footage there looks amazing. I’ll never be able to forgive them for pulling console support. Even though I’ve still got the game installed and have Arks in my account, I just can’t go back on it since they pulled support.
We are NOT trying to be done with Odyssey. We are STILL trying to fix this train wreck
"please buy our game, we're not finished with it yet" didn't work out too well for console or VR owners.
I play elite on vr all the time what are you talking about?
Speaking as a console player we've been discarded and will never see new content again.
@@nullvoid8941 How much of that is on-foot Odyssey gameplay, though? How's that projected flat screen going?
@@elixwhitetail I'm pretty proficient at not having to look at my keyboard and I mostly game on a flat surface anyway so it really doesn't have a negative impact on gameplay even if it isn't the most ideal execution.
@@nullvoid8941 Cheers to you for being able to enjoy it, but a lot of VR CMDRs are purists in that sense and did not find it nearly as acceptable as you do.
@01:57 They always say they are listening to feedback, well maybe they are, but they never act on it and that's the issue and one they don't seem able or willing to grasp. It's been this way since the game was launched and they shut down down the Design Discussion Forum. They said at one of the Lavecon presentations '"We're making the game we want to play", well that's why it's in such a mess, how about making a game your paying customers want to play instead.
Fix the frame rate in Odyssey, make the planets look like they do in horizons, actually balance the on foot combat, add a few more gameplay loops that help to make you feel like you're actually playing a live service mmo, then advertised the game. I started playing in the last year and I love the space side game but I had absolutely no idea it existed until someone told me who played it. It needs to be advertised but only after they fix the atrocious jank of odyssey. Oh and everybody who's never played this game and knows about it thinks it's the most boring thing in the world so you got to do something to change that too.
i agree, they aren't trying to be done with odyssey, rather they are succeeding.
Odyssey was a mess and seemed to undo much of the hard work of the game. VR, bin it. Console players, nah Fk em. Planet generation, meh it'll do. Performance, what's that? Epic fps content, nah lets have a generic point control mini game.....
Frankly, if FDev discovered the untapped potential that is community feedback, they'd be doing much better for themselves
Problem is they did. The forums were full of unhelpful boomers who couldnt imagine an elite beyond shooting pirates and trading cargo.
This! So many good ideas that go by completely ignored...
Instead it's like: Want new ships? How about we present new skins fo moneeehhh? Want space legs and ship interiors? Allright, behold the mediocre on-foot space combat with mechanics compared to 10+ yo FPS games.
Sad how they waste their opportunities
@@90Ferd and we could have had so much if they treated it like a game and not a cash cow. The skins dhould have been faction exclusives and rewards. Or worn by npcs. Why are there no real differences in factions beyond ship types? Does faction a like lasers more than b? Do the pirates have pirate paint? All this flare and NONE of it is represented in the universe to make it feel that much more alive.
They need to bring it back to consoles.
The biggest problem with Frontier is they're pretty much all talk and no real action. I think I've been hearing since engineers released that oh trust us we've really got something good this time, and they never deliver.
I wouldn't trust Frontier to deliver a pizza let alone meaningful game updates
They dug their own grave giving up on full VR support.
Thats what made me quit
@@johndoe-ee7ko same for me
Same here. Played since gamma and a a lifetime pass owner... disappointed.
Adding that cut scene to consoles is like showing you the steak that you can't eat. Absurd.
They say that they have constant meeting to discuss how to improve the game. Oh boy... That was easy more than a year ago: Do what players want. Simple. You don't even have to think, because the players gave you all the ideas. But no, they had to do... this. This stupid FPS, not a single new ship, no ship interiors, more grind, useless weapons that are the equivalent as the ASP Scout, no quest missions, for instance for the engineers, no better stellar forge, iconic bodies nerfed, the panet tech is a joke, and a new super thrilling exploration mechanic consisting in staring at space mushrooms.
Maybe if we buy more arx everything will be ok
They left me behind when leaving console. This company really let me down.
They left me behind when Odyssey was disingenuously released in a half-finished, broken, unplayable state. Oh yeah and its also boring.
Amen to this. Leaving console players behind shown their true colours in my eyes. Won’t buy anything off them again.
They are not done letting their dwindling playerbase down by a Long Shot! Trust me, they have Alot more Lies and Let downs to hand out!
Same, I will never pay monies for any fdev products unless odyseey on console gets attempted at least.
I wasted so much money on Elite only for Fdev to just throw us all in the trash. I don't play the game anymore, but I still hate follow it just to see how long it takes this ship to sink.
Maybe it's not encouraging that it's 2022 and FDEV just a few weeks ago managed to finally figure out how to do something as basic as have a narrative cutscene play in the game. As far a accomplishments go, that's a pretty low bar to set. I see tons of other games out there that have WAY smaller dev teams and WAY lower budgets that still manage to do WAY more with their games on a WAY faster timeline. Kinda makes me wonder what people at places like FDEV and CIG do all day for years at a time with seemingly so little accomplished compared to what other studios seem to be able to do faster and better with much fewer resources. It's a mystery.
You can say a lot of things about SC's development speed but you can't say they aren't accomplishing anything. You can park a vehicle inside a ship inside a ship and the physics engine doesn't smite everyone. Ship to ship refueling is now a thing. The actor status system is increasingly a thing with in-depth medical and survival statuses (including eating/drinking). They just increased the server player caps from 50 to 100. 109 ships and vehicles can be bought in-game. Random loot generation is now in and a whole bunch of weapons are now loot-only instead of being sold in shops. There's a river on microTech and it's a testbench for a river tool where a few clicks will drop thousands on a planet. New content and features every three months. How is this in any way not accomplishing things, unless the only thing you consider "accomplished" is a fully-featured finished game and you can't accept anything less?
Right? This is really the most frustrating and baffling part of Elite over the last 5ish years. The only explanation is wildly incompetent management. Not just incompetent, but actively harmful to the company. I can't believe they've been allowed to stick around and damage the company so much.
@@elixwhitetail That's all object tethering
@@vinlypine9198 Actually, it's because the inside of ships are self-contained independent frames of reference with their own internal physics grid. You can drive a buggy around inside a ship while the ship is in flight without clipping through the floor or exploding. The list of games that properly allow this is very short.
@@elixwhitetail yeah thats called object tethering lol and they were far from the first to do it. Additionally they're not frames they're scenes.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't place much value in anything found in Rock Paper Shotgun.
Buy's elite dangerous because he wants to play six degrees of freedom space combat. Invests hundreds of dollars towards quality controls. Controls which are also compatible with fellow users on console. Developer does 180 on you and puts all of their time and energy into creating a first person shooter. A game mode where every other triple a title has already been there and back and succeeded far more on a dedicated engine. Entire industry is curious whether or not this completely narrative free and minimal storyline game will get any actual content to expand it.
I feel your pain, hence why when Odyssey was announced I bailed. FDev already got enough money from me for a game that stopped all progress. Odyssey is not Elite, they may aswell bolt Jurassic World into Elite now, each planet is now flat enough for your own 'build a theme park minigame' which would have as much relevance as 'Halo with spud guns'/Odyssey.
Elite Dangerous didn’t invent the live service game, but they did perfect the grind!
"We can still make this better" they say. Well of course you can Frontier. I don't think I own a game that has more potential to be better. Every update is like dropping a pebble into the ocean of potential that is Elite: Dangerous.
They should be done with it! they made the best space flight sim we could have ever hoped for and then threw it away for some generic shooter. if they had a single brain cell they would forget about it (as we have) and work on new ships, new vehicle gameplay like racing, utilise the que finder for 1vs1s etc. make group content more viable and fun not this multicrew garbage teleport our ships to eachother! frameshift space fold that works like a rubber band pulling you back when you next engage the drive. there easy lore friendly excuse for the game not to suck and players to actually play together. enough with the flavour none-content. GAMEPLAY IS KING
That seems a little bit unworldly to me, that Frontier claims to be a pioneer of live-service gaming. There were others, that are at least as successfull and surely more famous as Frontier, that had started many years before Frontier. But this fits perfectly in my picture of Frontier: They are living in their own world and players should buy the game as often as possible (several commanders) but should not further bother or annoy them.
There were obviously other live-service games before it, but I feel like the most glaring comparison is this: Warframe released a year before ED, compare the popularity and health of each game.
“We want to make the game better” ok so fucking do it lmao. Still hate that they canceled console dev
Good on them, but that's two of the weakest non-committal answers I've heard. 1) "there are things we could still do better here" and 2) "we aren't trying to stop work on odyssey".... Everything about these responses say that they have moved on, whether they want to stay or not. Other priorities have won and this is a save-face while making a different strategic decision to move to a new game
The main issue they have is they believe an expansion is a separate gameplay loop added to their game rather than something that enhances their current gameplay loop. If you enjoy trading, you will find it very difficult to buy materials that you need to upgrade your jump drive. I don't know if this has changed but as a trader you should be able to buy materials with your credits like you would a new ship but instead with engineering you are required to fit yourself a new ship which gets you to a planet in the middle of nowhere to abuse a save and reload feature to get yourself the needed materials. Same thing with on foot exploration. Being an elite trader making millions of credits an hour you would think you can buy the best armor money can buy, but no, the best armor money can buy requires you to run around illegally stealing items most of the time to hopefully get lucky and find a rare item that you can upgrade your armor with. It kills immersion because it forces you to be something you don't want to be in the game just for the sake of ensuring one gameplay loop doesn't give you an unfair advantage in another loop. At the end of the day knowledge of profitable trade runs and reflexes in firefights are the true advantages in the game, doesn't matter how many credits you have if a better skilled player comes along so, please, stop putting a wall between each of your new features because it's really becoming noticeable now that the pilot is separated from the ship, it actually feels like you are playing two separate games now which don't complement each other.
At this point, I think Frontier's best possible path forward is two steps:
1) make it stable. No glaring bugs, get rid of planetary tech issues
2) put their full efforts into narrative. Give us a story - a REASON to keep playing. Start in investing in the whole Raxxla myth. Make it an alternate galaxy that the guardians went to to get away from the thargoids. I don't care, but give us SOMETHING to do other than jump, scan, rinse and repeat.
I don't think they really ever listen to us, otherwise we'd have a whole suite of extremely easy-to-accomplish things in the game that enhance emergent gameplay instead of combat-centric grindy FPS cookie cutter stuff.
they dug their own grave giving up on consoles lmao.
Just don't be poor.
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@@Seussenshmirtz can’t imagine buying a pc just to walk on planets oh I can’t forget the atmospheres LOL. The “DLC” just isn’t worth the money.
They need to try and get this back to consoles if they have finally optimised it.
XSX or PS5 can handle the Odyssey easily.
Bit late for that, they've already burned that bridge by first leading console players on for a year of hype and delays before finally admitting it's never going to happen and they're stopping all development on the consoles completely. If they reversed course now and tried to lure everyone back after driving them away, they'd look like they have absolutely zero clue of what they're doing. It's also still not optimized enough for the old gen, they'd Cyberpunk themselves (a second time, since that's basically what Odyssey PC launch was).
"We're not trying to be done with odyssey" ......... ".....we ARE done with odyssey" 😂
I started playing Elite just before Odyssey launched, and wasn't all that interested because I don't care for first person shooters, and had planned to be an explorer for a long time before moving on to other types of gameplay. I am still using Horizons as I have read that some people don't like the way Odyssey render planets, and I wanted to see some of the planets in Horizons before I move to Odyssey.
I'm still looking forward to get Odyssey at a good discount. Hard to believe it's as bad as the reviews would suggest. But I think they probably did mess up the pricing and the marketing. If they offered it for 19.99 in early access, marketing it as a fun addition to the game that will be polished and extended over time, the reception would have been different, I think.
Year after year we have heard “we will do better.” I don’t trust them - NEVER AGAIN.
I heard a lot of "we COULD do better" and not much "let's try that".
2:23 👍 Just a heads-up OA, although you stated correctly, "...planning on releasing a transfer process..." sadly the auto-caption states, "not releasing" I've no idea how many viewers have hearing difficulties, or other reasons (loud music, whatever) but they got the wrong idea there.
Or did they
I'll return to odyssey when they actually let me walk in my ship, which I don't believe they're going to
Frontier's F1 Manager 2022 looks quite nicely done I'd say. See the F1 UA-camrs trying it out today.
I generally like the direction they have gone with Odyssey and the improvements they have made. But as an avid explorer currently on hiatus, I wish they would fix some of the most basic elements of the game: Their effing graphics: the texture and shadow popping, and the damn hard horizon lines. Good example at 4:16 - the atmosphere fades, the horizon does not. It's a solid line. It doesn't matter that the atmosphere is tenuous, the horizon should be hazy.
I'm really liking the additions that they're adding to Odyssey. I especially like that they are developing around narrative, which is very compelling. EX: Using their new toybox to develop cutscenes for update releases with the community team staying in character with the release, charging the Proteus wave.
It's a brilliant game that is still very much in development. I really look forward to what they have next!
The only thing that'll bring me back to elite: Ship interiors.
"We Are NOT Trying To Be DONE With Odyssey" sounds like every other company that has forgotten that they make products for consumers and not for themselves. I have never experienced the entertainment industry as a whole deciding that it knows whats better for it's paying customers than the paying customers do, like they have recently.
"They'll like it regardless of how it damages our company!!!!! and if they don't they can leave" sounds like a much more applicable statement. Best part is that no start-up company ever has an attitude like this......only after they've got your money and become sucessfull off the back of their fans that they pull this shit!
Entitled developers are just as bad as the entitled fans they despise!
At least I'm done with YOU!
as a software developer, my takeaway here is that the 4.0 update seems to polish up the code base, possibly with extensive refactoring to get back in line with architecture again. in any software development program with limited time and/or budget its not unknown to have technical debt and in a game that consists of a lot of different aspects and professions you can imagine that that will provide you with a lot of technical difficulties as long as they're not corrected. I also wouldn'y be surprised if consoles are adding another layer of complexity here which hampers the development.
A few years back I've played APB: Reloaded for quite some time. a game which has died in the few years after it was acquired by a small and passionate development team that was promising to refactor the game. the game had been facing tremendous development issues to the point where the only 'content' they could add to the game was a new map every now and then, add a different kind of mission using the same mechanics that were already implemented and add some new weapons because these all basically fit the same template with different stats. this process for them started back in 2018 where they started unifying all of the code base to Unreal Engine 3.5 (previously built in unreal 3 and Visual Studio 2012!) and then upgrade to unreal 4. fast forward to today they are still working on that same process. Software development done shitty can be a hell of a task to correct and a game doesn't just consist of code.
I hope that Frontier is making a same kind of step with this elite 4.0 update and im here for it.
How’s that “fool me once” line go?
I am done with Odyssey and the game. They shot the pooch.
To make something 'better' it has to be good in the first place. Odyssey needs not 'some fixes', it needs fundamental rework in most areas.
Well yet another spot on discussion mate!
Regarding Braben moving up... so you have to fail so miserable they move you away from the company cash cow? Good riddance, should have happened sooner...
Promoting Brabens lapdog ARF will also prove to be a mistake but I digress, not doing the hard or right (keeping Horizons over the dumpster-fire Odyssey drove alot of us vets away). I even paid the big bucks early on when Braben made all the promises that were vapor ware.
Now we have a shite client with even more shite ground play and the same grindy-shite we have been asking for them to remove for years.
I put up with the grind-fest in Horizons but I just can't do this anymore, love your content mate even the ED reporting and I do mean the the acronym that we giggle about when we say E.D. cheers!
Good journalism, pushing Frontier for answers. Props to them
except they didn't get anything more than PR answers.