Lord Corlys Velaryon Origins - The Ruthless Sea Snake, Richest Man And Greatest Seafarer In Westeros
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- Lord Corlys Velaryon Origins - Richest Man in Westeros and Greatest Seafarer in the History of the Known World - Explored
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I hope he gets his own show. I would love to see what happens during his 9 voyages, especially his voyage to the shadow lands.
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The blackwashing of this show was shameful AF.
I don't care if they'll continue it with the blackwashed version. I'd love to see it with an accurate depiction though.
Oh lord! One! Character in a show makes you bugout? Can imagine history has white washed everything! From prophets, to Egyptian Queens oh stop it
@@Melted220if you are familiar with the story than you would understand that it completely breaks the story. Aegon Targaryen was half Velaryon and therefore should have a mixed race complexion. It just doesn’t make any sense. It was a lazy attempt by them to add diversity to the show. There were so many different ways they could have done that.
God damn, lot of bots on here saying the same thing. “Making him black was sheer genius.”
No it wasn’t, it was pandering.
Dude they made a lot of bots for this show when it first aired the ep 1 trailer all I saw was a shit load of the exact same comments worded a lilttle but differently def something fishy their
Yeah, people pretending it was a stroke of "genius" by casting all the Velaryons as black people and not just an obvious attempt at pandering. It has nothing to do with Snow White, Areil, LOTR and star wars movies having forced diversity and race swapped characters.
I think the Valaryon family is amazing. They give the women personal agency AND they ride dragons. Plus, they are all amazing looking. There is no doubt they are classy, smart, brave and worty.
The valaryon family is not a dragon riding family. They and the Celtigars are Valyrian but not all Valyrians are dragonriders. The Targaryens are the only surviving dragon riding family, valaryons such as Laenor, Laena, and the twins Baela and Rhaena are only able to bond with dragons through their Targaryen mother. Corlys and his brother Vaemond are both unable to bond with dragons.
I wish they would have used colored contact lenses for the series so we could have an accurate look at the valarian bloodlines. I think it would have been a striking feature and definitely would set them apart even more to those who can't claim valarian blood
Yeah, it's a bit odd how the Velaryons talk about pure Valyrian blood all the time but none of them have the appropriate eye-color. Guess they aren't so pure afterall xD
Agreed
@@hydraxon6940targaryens don’t have purple eyes in the show either so don’t start with that bullshit
@@heatherlory99 Should have!!
@@heatherlory99 should have honestly
This dude has magnetism on the camera, and looks like he would be doooope in a battle. I wanna see more of him.
This is my 4th time listening to this....I love it!!!!
One of your best!!!
IMO making Corlys black was brilliant! Look at his children and then the grandkids from his daughter. Now look at Rhaenyra’s kids 😅
The genetics are very Strong
"Who's white baby is that?"
Jewish Hollywood producers view black people the same way zookeepers view exotic animals
It actually just makes Viserys look like an idiot weakling who’s choosing his daughter over the entire realm which is why the war of the dragons starts
why not asian
Did the color swapping take away or add to the story?!..I hate color swapping.. as a Black dude myself.. I fell in love with a red headed April O'Neal..white like snow.. and now she black an Im not happy about it!.. just make a new character.. but watching this without reading the book I feel the color swapping made some of the story more intriguing.. especially with the queens infedelity.. no?!..
It makes Rhaenyra's infidelity much more obvious. Beyond that it doesn't effect the story much. May lead to rumors about parentage of certain characters introduced later in the show. But overall it's an artistic choice and doesn't in any meaningful way change Corlys as a character. I like the actor and portrayal so far.
Nah dude it makes no sense at all they are supposed to be related to targaryens yet have no genetic features similarities
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 well.. thier hair is blonde.. lmao.. but i see that.. .. i hate when real life politics leak into good stories just to fit the masses new agenda.. i hated it before.. but now is just an all nee high with this Woke crowd controlling everything.... did yiu know April Oneal black now too!.. i loved my red headed April.. an Im black.. just make a new character an add her to the roster... now April has a female sidekick she couldve trained or had under her tutelage ... but nope.. April now sassy witta an attitude.... its horrendous..
@@jaybangerang4618 same here man I tolerated it in the beginning but the sjw woke agenda is getting annoying they are focusing on the politics of the real world instead of making us immerse ourselves in the storytelling
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 i think its on you if thats what you focus on? tt makes the story cooler, liek we know you lyin. hahaah also i dont care the acting is quality and the story is good. people cry too fucking much
I'm glad he's black. It give validation to the Valarians as a people not a race. And look at how beautiful they are.
Sorry, but Velaryons being black does not make any sense.
The Targaryens used to marry Velaryons due to their valyrian features (purple eyes, pale skin and silver hair)
Aegon the conqueror's mother was a Velaryon!
Now, how many black Targaryens do you see?
The actor, - Steve Toussaint, has a very early role in the 90s British cult classic movie, ID (police go undercover as football hooligans). He is the one that asks Trevor in the first pub about Josh Carrera. Looks like the Lord of Tides was a Shadwell fan
Allways great and intressting videos 👍
He looks cool black with valyrian hair
Also notice how the complaints about his race faded after the show ended up being good yet people, such as the people in this comment section, are still choosing to make it an issue.
Y'all are activists, just admit it.
You just said they complaining stoped but the. In the exact same message said that people are complaining 🤦🏻
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 no, I was talking about complaints about complaints not stopping.
You misunderstood.
that's because he was beheaded.
@@drakethesnek6429 I have a few complaints but I also feel that those small details would have made the show so much better
@@drakethesnek6429 they changed corlys ethnicity only to make the show easier to understand which side was which for new fans and viewers when in reality not changing them would make the story even more intriguing, you would be forced to try and figure out people’s allegiances like early thrones and also why the hell is sir criston cole the same actor he looks way to young throughout the time skips almost looks like they didn’t even try sometimes
Was that Christopher Columbus statement meant to get me "🤔" thinking? Either way I am now and it brings me back to 2014 when I first started watching game of thrones, (😏 4-Season binge😎) I got A map of Westeros in season -2 📀 set.
Oh man I can't even begin to express how awesome it became using that map while watching new episodes, it opens the experience right up knowing exactly where people are in there crazy Yet similar to our little world. I also noticed there's more land beyond the North⬆️ & east➡️ like their known world is incomplete and unexplored🗺️ (Aria Stark🤦!), and not to mention FlaT!!!
Like ours, 🙏
If George doesn't take issue w him being black in HOTD, neither do I. He wrote the books and is an advisor for the series for gods sake.
HONESTLY 🙃 But these fools act as if they know better than the damned author does. I think George would know what's "lore breaking" & what isn't. Plus, Steve has been KILLING IT in the role too. He literally embodies the character of the SeaSnake & I love seeing him do it.
I hope they create another spin-off show that's centered around his famous 9 Voyages. Would love to see that. The viewers would get to travel to all these neat places on the map that we've never been to before, not to mention the adventures out at sea. Would be dope AF.
He does takes issue, he alsogets paid to not complain and understands compromise is useful while working on American tv shows. Is lore breaking, but compared to the insanity HBO was pushing before is acceptable, HBO wanted the Starks and first men to be black.
@@homerc9101 He has nowhere ever claimed to take issue, and actually came out and said it was his idea lol
@@homerc9101 and God knows where you got this idea about hbo wanting the starks to be black, never heard that anywhere lol
@@KabbalahSherry
Couldn't agree more.
I'm a brown man and do NOT need characters who "look like me" to hammer and sickle "the message" at the expense of good storytelling.
That is NOT what the HotD showrunners are doing with the Valeryans. It actually ENHANCES the story. Plus yeah Bravo and Huzzah to both Steve Toussaint and and John Macmillan for their extraordinary portrayals of Corlys and Laenor.
Looks very different
Yeah I prefer the book depictions, especially with Rhaenys, she was beautiful with her dark hair, Rhaenyra could've made the argument for her sons then due to her Aunt's hair.
Exactly!! It takes you right of the immersion it makes no sense how are they related to the targaryens they look nothing alike at all
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177*spoiler alert*
And even more odd is that when you see his dead brother on the slab (latest episode) he looks white.
@@milton1448 yeah they really messed with the lighting to make him look whiter but also I think cause he dead haha
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 thought it was another race swap! lol
Corlys regardless of what I’ve read in the comments was perfectly cast. Unless you’ve lived under a rock Denzel Washington got characters that were originally “white”. So what’s the damn problem?! The actor is great as Corlys. It’s all FANTASY. The show is great, sit back and enjoy or stfu.
Yeah bro, they should put a 2006 Honda civic in the Dothraki horde. Its FANTASY after all, you can believe dragons and white walkers but not a 2006 Honda civic? News flash bigot, but the 2006 Honda civic is actually real and dragons are not. Its FANTASY so anything goes, lets see the dothraki drive the 2006 Honda civic!
Showoff that spineless virtue signaling, "pop off qween", you have the spiritual integrity of a dead cockroach.
I don't really care that they race-swapped Corlys, but seeing people in this comment section defend the race-swap with activist talking points, then go on to say diversity is not wokeness, is exactly why Hollywood is losing money.
Depicting the world as it really is, not all white, is not wokeness. I really wish you people would stop butchering Black slang. Woke refers to Black people being conscious of systemic racism. That is all
I know he is described in the books at light skinned but dont mind the race-swap. The white dreads everyone have looks too silly tho🙄
The show did not really portray them as rich I felt, more like fallen house clinging to old glories, was it like that?
Political assessment correct! Steve is an excellent actor, it is not his fault he was hired to be a race swap character. I feel it will lessen the impact of Nettle later in the series.. yet it gives a noble angle on the retcon if she is now pretended to be Corlys or relatives seed. I preferred the books depiction yet I still am enjoying the series
Viserys looked genuinely impressed by Corly's castle and said it was larger than Red Keep.
I think they look silly on Corlys, but not so much on his kids.
The hair looks ridiculous
Please go educate yourselves! The Melanesian people of the Solomon Islands are a tribe of BLACK PEOPLE with large BLONDE and WHITE afros. That is where Corlys Velaryon's look is derived from! Amazing the uneducated ignorant comments here!
Ser Vaemond Velaryon be like "Who's G'damn white babies are these?!?!"
Lord Corlys be like "Nah they just light skinneded." 💀
I bet Corlys' father said the same when his Valyrian babies turned out black 🤣
@@hydraxon6940 🤣
A yes the Christopher Columbus of Westeros
💯
Making Corlys black was straight up a great writing movie. It would be not as obvious that Rhaenrya’s kids are not Laenors. Add depths and we got a great actor in Corlys and Laenor, and Laena as well.
It was a dumb idea and makes no sense, is shit writing, Aegon the conqueror and his sisters where all half Velaryon.
Don't forget Rhaenys just wanting to keep her children.
@@homerc9101 u so mad over something so irrelevant. U really don't have anything else to be upset about??
Laenor and rhaenyra both had fair skin, purple eyes and silver gold hair. Harwin was brown haired, brown eyed, and strapping. Of course it would still be obvious.
@@beastley4318 I think ur forgetting that the TV show tends to be way more casual for the audience. There’s no purple eyes as well. This just makes it so much more obvious and I think it’s a perfect choice.
Best drama on TV😂
Wonder why there's no East Asian house in game of Throne 🤔
Becuase east asians arent tokenized, is the same reason you don't see arabs, indians or latinos, Black people need constant validation from Hollywood.
Um Mysaria? She is played by a woman of Japanese descent.
@@ocky88 H O U S E with Knights , Soldier and castle, i'm not saying Actor or actress!
And when there's an Asian house in Westeros, you'll have Indians complain there's no Indian-looking Houses.
This universe started out as a European-inspired fantasy world. Y'all gotta accept that it comes with certain expectations and aesthetics.
Essos is literally asia in this world, while Westeros is Europe. Can't be surprised about the lack of diversity then 😂
@@hydraxon6940 the thing is, Asians and indians won't complain. There's only one single ethnicity that needs to be pandered and seeks validation from fantasy, because their own history leads to shame.
They look exactly alike.
Its really sad to see all these comments fixated on the race of fictitious characters. The author of the books participated in the casting and has said he likes the direction they went. Furthermore he indicated that if he could go back and change anything he would describe the Velaryons as brown skinned. He gets to do things in the shows that enhance the story. Enjoy the fantasy or just don't watch it. If you want your fantasy free of people of color then perhaps it's not the show for you.
But the books have tons of peoples of colour & nobody has a problem with that. Turning a Velaryon black is just corny because it has no explanation and it’s just another attempt at shoving wokeness down people’s throats. Not to mention that it’s token blackness and how do you explain the sequel, GOT, having no black people other than Dany’s army?
Also, when did George Martin ever say he wished he could go back and make them black?
@@kanyekubrick5391 he said in an interview that he would've described them as brown skinned. Not just Black people have brown skin. Describing someone as brown skinned is open to interpretation. It is a fantasy world, that although inspired by our world, not does follow the black white construct of our society. It doesn't matter that Corlys is played by a Black actor.
@@riss3690 Riiiight, and I saw one where he said he would’ve made them green skinned.
Green Lives Matter!
@@kanyekubrick5391 clearly you're bothered which is sad. Green lives matter..... unnecessary.
@@riss3690 I am African just like yourself. I love my people. What bothers me is this wokeness garbage… it’s gone too far in every direction.
We don't need a show of everything 😊
Did everyone in these comments miss that Sallador Saan, of Valyrian and Lysene descent, a salor/pirate was black in GOT? Or does it only bother you because Corlys is sort of a main character?
No it bothered people that Sallador and Xaro were race swapped, but as both of their stories were minimized and later forgotted it didn't have much staying power. Their importance from the books was killed and they disappeared almost as soon as they appeared. The show ruined the entire sections of the stories they were a part of so people had more complaints than just their race.
But yes, people complained just like now, and rightfully so. But now people complain more because it actually has an effect on the story they're presenting. The whole reason why Targaryens married Velaryons alot was to preserve the valyrian features associated with royalty in Westeros. That does not exist in the show, they just awkwardly talk about pure valyrian blood as if they have it and it matters. The Velaryons are not dragon riders, the only thing that matters with their blood is their looks, but that was removed in the race swapping.
I think you have to be an extremely spineless person to defend the tokenized race swapping. Everyone knows it was done because of a quota so everyones taken out of it every time they appear on screen. Only those who care more about flaunting their virtue than the actual story did not mind it. The mentality of surrendering the dignity of the story just because of some irrational belief that ever even hinting at the fact that not every single piece of entertainemnt needs to have people of all races everywhere every time is some big crime is truly pathetic.
What would be wrong with keeping everything as accurate as possible? What would be the harm? What justifies the change?
For hollywood the answer is money, because these quotas only exist because men in suits think that they can turn everything into a culturally black american rallying cry to make people watch their product Black Panther style. Why do you defend sacrificing the intergrity of a story you like for the sake of corporate greed?
EQUITY! Thanks for the thumbnail.
Another word for discrimination.
🤔How many films have I seen of a Western looking Jesus, and other biblical people.🙄
So your logic is 2 wrongs do make it right ? Fight racism with racism haha bunch of sheep
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 you just choose not to understand and live in your bubble of "I'm against the agenda", what he clearly means is people don't dont have a problem when they make ethic people white but they so the other way around, just pointing out this small aspect of hypocritism
Valyrians matter. Jesus doesn't.
@@kingramp7312 But this is fantasy, and not reality, so get a life.
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 How is this racism? Do some homework and educate yourself. That’s one of the dumbest kindergartens comments I’ve ever heard.🫣
Euron could never
So GRRM made picture books?
Yes, The World of Ice and Fire, Fire and Blood and The Rise of Thee Dragon (it will be reliesed 25th of October this year)
Making him black was a stroke of genius. Now The King and The Princess look even more ridiculous pretending.
I also support anything that upsets racists so I’m all for it 😅
So you support racism? Good to know.
@@drakethesnek6429 this is a bot most likely. There’s tons of these comments all worded nearly the same. Pandering mother fuckers.
Me too. Let’em quirm! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@drakethesnek6429 he literally saying he’s happy that it’s making racists mad which means he against racism
@@oDarkSlurz that's like saying two wrongs make a right.
I don't mind coryles being black but it does seem strange so many potential black characters (summer Islands I NEED TO SEE SOMEONE FROM THERE) and naath Isles but no no they chose to make coryles VALERYON black, okay I'm a bit pissed that I won't get to see any summer islanders and weirded out by how geographically inaccurate and unrealistic it is to make the valeryons black, but I don't hate the idea just really want it explained since valerya was made clear to only have pale people in the books
maybe some day We get see these fictional lands Naath and Yi Ti and the Summer Isles.
@@sanitizerwilson1599 I really hope we do in the books one of obryn's daughters is half summer islander and her story is pretty interesting I wish they'd have shown or even given a nod to these people at all because they're pretty interesting
@@lillypharaoh5945 Also in the show version they change one of Oberyn's daughters to Yi Ti in the book version the mother was from Volantis. I didn't hear any yelling over that.
That was my thought! Personally, I’d rather see us stay Out of the Mess of Thrones 😂
To be honest as a black man myself, it's comforting to see people of my skin complexion as royalty instead of tribe like, simple minding folks or slaves in a world like that....
is that king ezekiel
No it is I lord of the dankest dank
No. All black people really do not look alike. I promise. They are like 3 or 4 shades different. Different facial structures. Different builds.
I know the joke is about crap wigs, but that has been a consistent problem for all people of Valyrian descent for this series. Rhaenys wig (with the huge “bump it” at the crown) and young Rhaenyra’s helmet looking wig are actually worse than the mop dreads.
Wow well all y’all whites think and look the same
@@ocky88 I thought the Targaryen actors all dyed their hair, tbh.
Though corlys appearence is not described, all 4 of his children are described as having typical valyrian features of fair skin, silver-gold hair, and purple eyes. Its ridiculous to make him black. All velaryons decribed in the books up to present day have valyrain features, even his distant decendant aurane waters is said to resemble rhaegar targaryen. Would a fully European looking westeros in a medieval time period accept a black guy as a lord or royalty? This change was purely for real world identity politics.
The show is on a different universe than the books, so everything that happens in the books does not apply to the show unless said events are established to be show canon. There is no evidence to suggest the people of Westeros are prejudice against certain racial groups except the Dornish due to bad history. This debate comes up every time there is a Corlys or House Velaryon video.
Oh by the way Where are the Purple Eyes?.
@@emperorquinlanix4195 Fair point. Though people in westos repeatedly show prejudice between kingdoms, ironborn, northman, first men, andals, old gods, new gods, houses etc... And they all look European and have melded cultures for thousands of years. Even the dornish essentially look like Spaniards or Sicilians. Set aside for a second that harwin strong fathered royal children. Had they been lenors children and been black mixed race with dred locks, I dont see how the kingdom couldn't think that was weird to have a ruler that looks like a summer islander, when everyone else looks European and is constantly infighting. I'm sure it's different in braavos where they are a completely mixed race nation, but this does not make sense in westeros. In the show corlys even says he has pure valyrian blood even though this is not consistent with any other depiction of valyrians in the show or books (setting aside mixed race valyrians). Surely you can see that this was caused by real world identity politics. I just don't agree with people trying to make excuses for that fact, acknowledge it and move on.
Aurane Waters the bastard who stole Cersi's Ships I believe that 172 years later, so no one in that time fame marry a White person or have babies with them?. I think you people should watch ancestry videos.
@@sanitizerwilson1599 show production was too difficult to implement purple eyes. However in the books valyrians also had blue and green eyes, surely valyrians did not have black Africa/summer islander eyes.
You can have 1000 white characters and you add 1 color character, then some folks lose their minds. You can have Europeans and Americans playing color folks of history and that’s not frowned up , the Lone Ranger a real life black sheriff played by white actors in films and shows but don’t see people complaining. But when it is fantasy character people will not have it. 😅
Except people were complaining about that. White people were complaining about that. Stop gaslighting.
It makes no sense and you know it cause you fools have the same exact excuse on repeat for the reason he was race swapped you have no argument so you resort to “racist” 😂😂
Jesus was not white either. I'll just place that right here
@@drakethesnek6429 no they weren’t… white ppl been playing pharaohs samurais Mexican drug lords… you name it … no one said anything… but y’all are mad over this… just say u don’t like black ppl
@@kingx8910 actually white people created the concept of cultural appropriation. Not only did white people create it, they created it in response to white people being cast in non-white roles. Stop lying.
I love black Corlys. Really makes things far more interesting! Not to mention, the actor who plays him is absolutely killing it in his portrayal of Corlys. For me, he is now the most interesting character from HOTD.
He was *perfectly* cast. 😌 He embodies the character to a T. It's like Corlys lept outta the pages of my book & onto my TV screen. I can't envision the SeaSnake as white anymore, tbh. Steven has really made an impression!
You are taking nonsense the guy has barely had any good scenes and compared to the acting of Tywin,the hound,Ned,Cersei ect his acting is not even close to those
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 for HOTD he is the strongest actor, in my opinion. I said nothing of GOT. To you I speak nonsense. You are welcome to feel that way.
@@willybeama1 no way in hell hes not even close to one of the best actors in this show just shows how much your paying attention to detail for example (Alicent,Halaena,aemond,aegon,rhaeneyra,viserys,daemon,sir Otto,Larys strong, ect) have all had way better acting and those are just some
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 Your opinion is yours; mine is mine. Do take care.
What book should I read for all this info?
Fire & Blood
What Christopher Columbus means to our world???
What do you mean by that??
Really bad analogy. Columbus was a great navigator who stumbled across America on his way west to China and the Indies. Corlys is a blend of Marco Polo/Vasco de Gama and other navigators and an almost Ferdinand Magellan. But he is also like Niccolo Machiavelli - a great statesman of his age.
Good grief, people are annoying. This show is amazing and the casting for the Velaryons has been amazing. It makes the paternity issue all the more tense and glaring and all of the actors for that House have been killing it.
This is the only character backstory video that is full of whiny broads who are crying about an off topic issue. Just stop watching, you dorks. It is that simple. There are a zillion white only fantasy shows and movies out there. Go enjoy them.
your wife is being blacked rn
Name a current one please
People who defend a corproate decision to make a race quota in all enetrtainment in hopes of re-creating the sales numbers of Black Panther are really ennoying. They ruin the integrity of good stories and insult your intelligence for profit, yet here you are defending them. They rely on peoples selfish desire to present their virtue to defend their greed. You're a consumer fool with not a single shred of spiritual integrity.
But please, I'd gladly go watch a white only fantasy show. Can you point one out to me? I can't seem to find a single one, almost as if they haven't been made for two decades.
I have a better sollution, how about you instead just go enjoy your american social politics then we can keep enjoying fantasy with integrity. Thats a win win, you don't care baout fantasy anyway so we all get what we want.
I just remembered they are making the Seasnake show. I can't wait to hear all the hate over that show.
There won't be hate. Many people simply won't watch it.
Although marketing off of race and outrage is a new Hollywood marketing strategy.
@@drakethesnek6429 well thats a shame for them. Corlys lived a hell of an adventurous life and went to some of the most mysterious and wild places of the world of Planetos.
@@timetravelingnecromancer1051 whether or not people will watch it will widely depend on how well HOTD performs. Most people aren't racist enough to miss out on another GRRM show because of skin color
@@GuardianShad I just hope it makes it to air and that they cover all his adventures. I would love to see the Thousand Islands, Ib, Skagos & Yi Ti.
@@drakethesnek6429 I won’t be watching tired of this sjw pandering
They try to act like this wasn’t to check a box lmao. It’s pretty annoying how everything has to have white peoples swapped into other races. Woke folks are like “I don’t see nothing wrong with this and you shouldn’t unless you’re racist”. Well the character wasn’t black. So that’s the wrong with it. It’s more racist to think you can just swap skin to make up for never giving people of color their own awesome characters. You want to cash in on fandom, do what the fans want.
Write new stories=hard
Race swap character=easy
They don’t think you are worth the extra work.
All art of Corlys depicts a pure Valyrian, before the show was announced. So, the old fans know what he looks like.
Most people like Coryls no matter what, since he's just badass.
But then there's a ton of new fans that just like the Velaryons because they are black. It got the show a whole new audience by that, that pay money to watch it.
From a marketing perspective, it was a genius move to make em black. Lots of cash in that.
Does it pay homage to the book? Not really. Rhaenyra's kids are also silver-haired in the book, so they also ignored that. Among alot of other scenes they left out, like when Daemon is a good father to his Velaryon daughters.
Yawn. I was 8 or 9 years old...more than 30 years ago when I saw a black American woman sing in Wagnerian opera as a German/North European. Get over yourselves - the world is filled with lots of talented people of different ethnicities and races.
Yes, the character's race was changed to be inclusive of the current political climate. But, does it affect the authenticity of the character, the world or the rest of the story?
I honestly don't believe it does.
Nope, it doesn't affect his character or the story, literally AT ALL.... but of course people were mad about the casting choice anyway. 🙄 lmao
Nice to see that Steven is killing it in the role too, cuz it exposes all of those duds for their complaining. They're always hiding behind: "iT bReAkS tHe lOrE" as their cheif complaint.... but we always knew why they were *really* mad.
They're just gonna have to die mad about it 🤭
George is a part of the series, as an advisor, he clearly doesn't care and it doesn't influence the story in any way.
Americans, specially black americans, cant empatize with people that don't look like themselves. Every piece of entertainment has to look like Los Angeles.
In the books, Valyrians were literally Targs but under a different name. White skin, white blonde hair. Imagine they stuck to that. So many average viewers/non-book readers would be so confused when a Valyrian and a Targaryen are on screen together. It would be so dumb, for the show runners to try and explain to the average audience that these to families that look exactly the same, are different. Making them black wasn't some political, woke decision. It was a smart move by the writers to not confuse fans.
Let the comments roll on this one. Corlys is a pasty white guy tanned only because of his sea adventures. But casting him as a black man is stupid. His beard and hair doesn't even match. Lol
Corlys was perfectly cast! The dark-skin contrasted by the white dreadlocks was an especially nice touch! This is easily my favorite family on the show. I just hope we see him again
You will see him again.
It also makes sense that the Valaryons are dark skinned considering their presumed contact with the summer isles, which are another sea-faring island that gained wealth through trade.
Summer Islanders are very dark skinned and there is no way that their trade with Essos didn't put them in contact with Valaryons pre-conquest.
@@CurryBunns lol that doesn't explain how they are black. And btw velaryon in house of dragons shouldn't be black, i mean they married with targaryans
It was horrendous affirmative action casting and all the black “targaryans” looked stupid as all hell.
@@haywoodjablomee6671 shut the fuck up dude! Who cares that they're dark-skinned?! I personally think it's awesome and Corlys is one of my favorite characters!
Gonna say the TV show depiction of corlys look sick af.
Who care if he’s black, white, Mexican, Asian, Indians.
He's black though they could have gone with any of those other ethnic types but they went with the one that Hollywood usually goes for when not white
Considering he was part Targ, the targs were half Velaryon already, and valyrians were a single ethnicity and their own race, yes, matters, it brakes the immersion when you have a bown mulato girl talking about blood purity.
@@homerc9101 dude it’s funny how they say not to complain about the race swapping yet the only black people on the show are the only ones talking about racial purity wtf haha shows these people are sheep
who gives 2 shit about canon right? while u at it, why dont make him an vampire, more badass more sick af
@@TheMaulam12345 actual fans of the source material, that's why gatekeeping is good
Please it was the artist idea to draw him like that. Also no one says that that Velaryons aren't white from their original country, (They aren't Dragon Riders) so they don't have marry into their family. I believe it either Corlys's father or grandfather marry a Summer Isles Princess. They probably have White Cousins.
This ^
I don't like the black Velaryons, I think they look super out of place. But the actors are good, the wigs less so.
I love the show, so I just explain it the same way as you do: Corlys is an impure Valyrian, and hence he is obsessed with pure Valyrian blood. Thats what I got from the show, atleast. And it's good that way!
It gives blacks someone major to relate with, and it doesn't change the lore about Valyrians looking the way they always do.
Any true fan will know the seasnake is a white guy in the book lol.
Modern day Kanye West
Yezzy said he would conquer Westeros
I is ridiculous for the show to have made the Velaryon’s black. We are told over and over that the ppl of Valeria are a magical people, they have pale skin, various shades of purple eyes, and silver/gold hair. If they would of at least made their eyes purple, but to just through silver hair on a bunch of black ppl just makes no sense to the story. And the reason the show runners did it is what makes me mad. They didn’t want to make a show about a bunch of white ppl. First off that’s offensive. If anyone said they didn’t want to make a show about a bunch of black ppl the world would be up in arms and that show runner would be fired and never work again. But it’s ok to offend white ppl in woke Hollywood. And if he didn’t want to make a show about a bunch of white ppl then your working on the wrong story. Do a different show. Don’t change up the characters we know and love. Now I do love the actors portrayal of Corlys on the show. I think he’s done a great job, I have nothing against the actor. But this obsession with race swapping is just stupid. If you want to make more shows with black actors that’s fine. Write stories and have as many black actors as you want play the characters. But don’t take stories written for ppl that are suppose to look one way and change it. I don’t care what race or nationality we’re talking about. I wouldn’t like if they took a character written as being black and had a white actor play the role either. Once we know a character, we don’t want to see you change them. And the reason they are doing it just makes it worse. And don’t say GRRM approved it. Of course he did what else could he have done. As soon as anyone objects to this were called racist and bigots. If GRRM had objected he would of been called a racist, a shire supremacist, and a bigot. And his career would of suffered. It would of been a HUGE scandal. So of course he approved it what else could he do. I guarantee you when he wrote the family they looked like the traditional Valerians he’s described many times.
Cry harder
Broaden your horizons. Wagnerian opera had black American sopranos on PBS in the 1980s!
@@jt7638 I don’t know anything about opera I’ll be honest. But if the role was written for one race/nationality and played by another then I just think it’s stupid. The character is always written to look a certain way. So for HOTD I would of been mad if they dressed a character in modern cloths because it’s set in a fictional world that’s based on Middle Ages England, so they need to dress the part. Because they need to look the part. I want the character to look the way it’s written, that’s all. And that’s why the race swapping doesn’t work, even in fiction.
Try to expand your horizons. I am glad I did. She was wonderful and she did a lot of Wagnerian roles. Besides, just be the best person you can be. Check her out Jessye Norman.
Nobody wants Jon Snow spinoff nobody wants a sea snake spin off what everyone wants is aegon's Conquest that's what we want we want to see that. Balerion the black dread the Battle of every Kingdom that's what we want even if it's one or two seasons who cares we want to see that
Man I can’t even watch a video without seeing racist comments
Sorry bro, but how would you feel like if they made Black Panther be played by a white dude with curly hair wig?
If they were going to race swap they could have done something different maybe Asian or south Asian of maybe latino? The actor they got is alright
Naw they made the right choice the asians need to be saved for the introduction of Yi Ti empire.... they had to go with a black guy cause everything else can be represented
@@MikeSmith-vl5em agreed.
Valaryan left by sea not by land which makes Asians (Yi Ti) not possible.
@@Farhan917 not possible because...(?) It's not like there were no ships or no sea routes to Yi Ti/the East. I can't remember if there were much canon material about the racial make-up of Valyria, without that being set in stone there isn't much to fall back on.
Corlys is like Christopher Columbus? 😅
Worst fckn take I’ve ever heard
Corlys reminds me of a mop😂
I'm just here for all the people who are going to complain they made him black.
Honesty these people need watch ancestry videos you realize how larger numbers people mix with different races.
Oh because it's always almost always black when race swapping. There's other actors of other races besides black or white
It's called changing the story for an agenda. It's to push diversity. People come to watch a show. Not to have political bullahir shoved down their throat. So yes I'm pissed they changed a white man for a black man. As I would be if a black man was changed out for a white man. Its plain and simple it ruins what was already stated and created. We don't care about race, you try so hard to make it seem that way.
@@motelmicrowave But black and white peoples are all that matter. Duh!!!
@@motelmicrowave exactly dude just pay attention to the show and they shove in a black character in as much as they can they even switched out the maester for a black guy haha haha 😂😂
Then next time please make jon snow Asian, hey … don’t you guys always insist that everyone in the world should be equal ?????? Walk the talk.
In the book he was not black. Look at the history books.
He is also not white in the book. He is suppose to look mixed race
maybe tanned but definitely not black. Read the books. Targaryens wanted to retain their classic Valyrian features of pale skin, purple eyes and silver hair, hence the incest. So why would they marry outside their family which does not have the features they want to retain? This is another poorly written script. They can def add black characters for their diversity quota but definitely not Velaryons or any other Valyrians for that matter
It makes sense that seafaring folk would be darker skinned. It's literally how melanin works lmao, making the Velaryon house black makes perfect evolutionary sense, so I see no problem with the "race swap".
Are u nuts? He's a Valyrian , he's supposed to be paled-skin (white). If he's a seafarer, the most he can be is TANNED but def not black. Read the books before spreading your s2pdty here
I love people just throw around George being apart of the casting on this show like it means anything lol. The dudes getting a check from this show at the end of the day how much say do you actually think he has lmao
watch Game of thrones season 8
Quite frankly, the blond haired, pale skin, purple eyed look with an obsession with pure bloodlines can be tinkered with a little. The concept is archaic and a little too third reichy for the 21st century, if you know what I mean, and I know that you do.
@@morrisdavidmullings9833Even Martin hated Season 8 and the later seasons in general
Which paragraph states hes white?. I messed that
While I personally don’t care about the race swapping it is stated in the original work that his children had the typical velaryian features aka. pale skin. There’s no need to pretend like he isn’t canonically white tho.
@@trashm.1426 can you give me a page number, so i can check.
His whole house is described as purple eyes, silver hair, and pale skin his house is house targaryen without dragons
@@retronerds6884 none of the Targaryens on the show look like that. GRRM made the changes himself, because he writes in third person. This means the narrator can be unreliable. Let’s not forget the black pirate from GOT. He was also a descendant of Valyrians.
@@meritorioustechnate9455 still doesn't change the fact that house valorlynn and house targaryen have identical features in the book but to be honest I really wish the targaryens and the varlornnians would have have purple eyes
Imo, the race swap doesn’t effect much. And to everyone crying, this isn’t the first concession an artist has made in his art for mass exposure/adaptations- and it definitely ain’t the worst. Humanity needs to grow up lmao
People don't change. We're the same people we were two thousand years ago. To say "people need to grow up" is a demonstration of your own out-of-touch affluence.
Shut the hell up dude you know it’s sjw woke pandering the fact you just proved it yourself “for a wider audience” if you didn’t like this genre of movies since a kid keep on watching avengers boy
@@drakethesnek6429 yeah but on the list of “pertinent issues” this is comically low.
People were racist 1000 years ago. They're racist now. They will still be racist in 1000 years.
It's natural, ain't going away. What matters is how people act about it.
I don't like black Valyrians, I think it looks ridicilous.
But I still watch the show, and simply see them as halfbloods, impure Valyrians. Problem solved!
yes it doesn change things , i bet u didn't red the books?
I think it’s racist that they didn’t make him Asian
lol it's a pre game of thrones 😂 what happened to all the blacks go woke and go broke show sucks
Cry more 🗿
Nah the show is cool the actor they got is doing a good job
@@stuffynosepatrol I'm sorry for you crying 😢
@@zachebert9509 very creative response, not something Id only hear on a children's playground at all 😏
“Woke” means to be aware of injustice and prejudice and racism. . . Are you saying that show is racist and prejudice ?😅
People who saying that making him black is good are the problem today.
Stop watching, Billy.
Praise Black jesus
HBO … woke moment.
Love that his black skin was used as a storytelling device rather than just token diversity.