I am a huge AMD fan boy you can say. But damn the past few years they have been slacking to the point were I had been using AMD since my old K6-233 that I had to switch to Intel 3 years ago. Thats sucks, but its just life. Happy to see AMD finally doing something again..
What are you trying to do with the CPU exactly? Chasing 100+ FPS in multiplayer games? FX-8350 is easily capable of stable 60 FPS in modern multiplayer games with solid graphics.
+Cossack-HD first off what's wrong with wanting 100+ fps that's what I shoot for when possible 2nd its important to have a good cpu for other things then just games
***** Good, seems like I'm running Battlefield 4 maxed out with rock solid 60 FPS on "trash". I guess PS4 is more than double trash. 8350 with OC is faster than modern i3 which aren't overclockable. By you logic, modern i3 are trash too but they still cost some money for some reason. I wonder what that reason is. Oh right, they aren't trash just like FX isn't trash either! And by the way, i3 6100 gets loaded too 90-100% in games which leaves no room for background applications and streaming. Note that I don't mean that buying a new AM3 CPU is reasonable, but it's even less reasonable to trash FX and buy i3. Joe's Photo & Video Channel 3 years ago, 8350 was still had very decent price/performance in professional applications. Only very specific users needed more performance back then and yes, AMD had nothing better to offer. Today, mainstream intel CPUs match the old top AMD CPUs (5 years difference, oh how surprising!) - still not reasonable to flip unless you aim for higher end. blackfear1562 60Hz displays are mainstream. On FX-8350, video rendering times for 1080 30FPS are just slightly longer than actual video length, that's almost real time rendering. Too slow? Still, it's not reasonable to buy FX today, but it's not reasonable to replace it by i3.
This is the first time I have ever seen one of your WAN shows and I love it. I love your channel. I work in a Data Center and love learning about the systems we use from you guys. I am also a gamer and pc builder and I find your show very informational. Now I am watching this instead of binge watching a show on netflix. You guys are awesome!
Everyone is still ignoring the fact their prophet was a murder. The idea of their religion is to emulate the life of Muhammad. It is documented in their own hadiths that Muhammad killed people.
Hi Linus, Malaysian here.. Great to hear you liked the match between LCW and LD!! We enjoyed it very much over here too.. All the best to LCW for his final game!! :D
By the way, Titan X (maxwell) vs. Titan X (pascal) pisses me off. The maxwell is at a particular site for sale at more than the pascal. WTF!? I'm with you, NAME IT SOMETHING ELSE!
Since you guys are having a Nursery Rhyme/Lullaby brain block, the tune that the poem "The Star" (by jane taylor 1806) is sung to is also the tune for The Alphabet (as you mentioned) and "Baa Baa Black Sheep." The actual tune is "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" from France, roughly 1761 by the phenomenal Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart who originally published it in "Twelve variations on "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" so there are at least 12 more out there in french.
I don't think you dislike AMD. I think you have a habit of using benchmarks that are biased towards nvidia. This isn't arguable. You guys have released a bunch of shady crap like "oh lets not use vulkan doom in this benchmark where amd gets a 40% increase in performance" or "lets use old ass games instead of the new dx12 titles unless its tombraider that runs like shit for everyone but especially amd" or "lets only use gameworks titles!" I don't think you do these things on purpose, but you never go back and fix them either. Instead you get defensive and go "oh! amd fanboys!". I think its good to use benchmarks that favor a manufacture as long as you equally use ones that favor the other brand.
broadwell e is the newest iteration and it can only reliably clock to around 4.2-4.4 with the latter taking some serious voltage compared to the previous generation haswell e...
Yash Chauhan He was right in a way. Sandybridge was the last mainstream Intel CPU that had a proper thermal solution. My Ivybridge and your haswell both have pathetic heat dissipation, skylake is even worse.To get a CPU with a proper thermal solution requires Intels HEDT platform, or an AMD CPU. In summer my 3570k @ 4.2ghz gets 40c deltas under load with a NOCTUA D14!
Maurice Orris This makes me sad, but also more hopeful for Zen to be a viable competitor to push Intel's hand in a timely manner. Fingers crossed my friend.
Nvidia isn't sending their "1060 3GB" cards to reviewers so that people who are thinking of buying them will only see the reviews of the "1060" and assume that the card they're buying is better than it really is. Nvidia is really starting to disgust me.
Makes up his own reason for something he has no idea about, then judging an entire company based on the reason he made up and has no about. nice move kiddo
TheSuperslajsaren Yes, while I think 4GB would be ideal, the bigger problem is the cut in specs, essentially making it like the difference between the 480 4GB and 470.
Was an engineering sample vs a released product, it won't be at its release clock speed yet, so they underclocked the Intel half to make the test 'fairer' (a manufacturer with a conflict of interest will only ever be so fair)
So you're saying it's unfair to pit an AMD chip with 8 cores / 16 threads at 3GHz against an Intel chip with 8 cores / 16 threads at 3GHz? It's literally as fair a comparison as you can get.
the were both at 3ghz , it wasn't realty about slowing it down they just showed that specific clock speed buddy for heads to head they could of chose 4.0ghz and so on
+Krystian “Kryss” Nowak the fact that your are saying it doesn't oc to 4.0 shows how ignorant you are cause no one know anything about this cpu and I doubt you work at amd.
For the wearable vest idea: I think that's totally doable, but you absolutely need to keep the wearer comfort (temperature) in mind and not just the hardware. You need to design the cooling system so that it cools the contact areas between the vest and the user - keeping everything dry and cool. Otherwise you will turn into a sweaty hot mess after a while of moving around. Even if the hardware is well cooled, it will still transfer significant heat through the material to the body - as well as physically block the normal dissipation of heat in that area. That will add up, no matter how energy efficient or well cooled the hardware you use. All you need are some air-channels in the mounting structure though between hardware and body though. Absolutely doable, and if done right it could actually be turn out extremely comfortable for long-term use due to basically having inbuilt air-con.
To all of the people claiming Intel/Nvidia bias. Linus was one of if not the only person that defended the R9-300 series as being more then a rebrand of the 200 series. And with that said tell AMD to release something new and they'll review it. When Zen releases I'm sure they're going to cover it fairly well.
So, TO DO list for LTT: - Build a 'suit' VR PC (totally do this!) - Build a 69 PC (have fun finding cpu-coolers/fans that cost 69 bucks that aren't super overpriced or crappy (in case of watercooled all-in-one CPU sets)) I for one can't wait! Great show this week guys! Also I really liked the comparison of LTT to Top Gear.. never thought of it but I guess that's as good a comparison as any, and I for one wholeheartedly agree with LTT being like Top Gear.
+Said Alghifarix i think if ur doing 1080p and ur not green team only, just buy a 4gb rx470 or 480 those can handle ultra 1080p above 60fps in just abt every game i know when paired with a decent i5
why would they think you dislike amd? your all on about excavator being soo old. your confusing excavator the 2 microarches past piledriver the one you are confusing for excavator, not counting refresh stuff, trinity richland, kaveri Godavari, Carrizo being excavator or 7th gen apu. excavator itself is 15-25% faster than piledriver ipc. but how would you know anything your only tech reporters.
"Nvidia drops the bomb".... shows a 3GB GPU.................. The RX 470 is stil better because it works better with vulkan and DX12 and has 4GB Vram... and better price. Luke's last video shows enough.
CaveManta Dreemurr not sure yet, i have never heard of an AMD case, and i myself don't know a lot about cases but i guess i'll try to mod the AMD logo on some acrylic window and light the window from the frame with some red LEDs i guess i'll use some corsair or cooler master combo, it depends on what all in one water cooler i'll choose
@Linus a general suggestion - mind the positioning of the white text (title) on your video thumbnails. When viewing your content on mobile, the thumbnail title is often covered by the time stamp on the bottom right corner
+Dennis Playing Lacrosse? Actually, it just popped up on my screen while I was doing other things. Anyway, I watched it live so I wouldn't have cared either way.
Dennis Playing Lacrosse? the notification from following the forum IS the notification I was referring to, it pops up on the screen regardless of what page i'm on.
In Australia we have/had a show about advertising and they asked why brands don't (hardly ever) mention other brands even in comparisons (it's always the leading brand or next leading brand instead of an actual name) and the consensus from all the ad people was that getting your competitors name out, even in a negative way, promotes their brand awareness. So the only time they will mention a brand specifically if that brand is already dominating the market. The Issue with ZEN is slightly different because like they said in this video they don't want to be held to a benchmark in the future if it changes etc. They don't want somebody to recreate it and make a huge stink because it's actually 2fps lower than they claimed and sue them.
Wait a second...if you would like to become the "Top Gear" of Computing, you would have put AMD's APUs regularly through it's paces, because Intel just doesn't have anything, that can compete with them. See, i like LTT, sometimes more, sometimes less. But especially when it comes to AMD, you guys suck. I'm sorry, but the AMD 7890K may only be as fast as a midrange i3 CPU wise - but the iGPU blows the Iris Pro out of the water. And while gaming at F-HD, CPU just doesn't make a huge difference. This is btw also something, you lack a lot. Anandtech does an amazing job with that stuff - yes, the CPU does make a difference, but mostly only about 10-15%. Comparing that to the prices, where an Intel may cost more than double that, what the AMD costs...Nope. There is just no comparison. Intel has NOTHING in the price range about $80, that compares to an 880K for example. Yes, the Pentium range is faster IPC wise, also some i3's around that pricepoint are faster. But this just doesn't matter, if some games don't start on a 2-Core CPU anymore. No - you are a VERY Long way away, from becoming the Top Gear of Computing. Well...unless you're talking about 2016 Top Gear...
"CPU just doesn't make a huge difference" My 860K OC to 4.5Ghz + WATERCOOLED BF4 Ultra 45Fps My i3 6100 stock BF4 Ultra 60+Fps And no one cares about iGpus. Anandtech has an article where a 860K (750K) paired with a dGpu such as a r7 250 performs WAY better.
***** I do. I've got a small ITX System on my TV. Also: That Anandtech article is about the 7850K and from the stone age. Also: The 7870K is as fast, as the i5-4960 with the same Graphics Card in Total War. In GTA5 the i5 is only 6 FPS faster. Which is nothing at around 80 FPS. Btw: On the iGPU i can Play Grid @ 720p with very high Details at around 60 FPS. The System costs about the same as a PS4. And Btw2: I can play BF4 with my R9 290 and my 880K @ 4,3 GHz with around 55-60 FPS. The 860K is also Stone Age technology. Your argument is invalid.
NFreund I don't think you know what you're talking about. (unless you trolling) The 860K is the SAME CPU as the 7850K, 7870K, 880K etc. And don't kid yourself, none of these CPUs can even touch an i5 2500. btw3: I use an RX480 OC at 1380. Much greater than your 290 AND I'm overclocked higher AND I still can't maintain a constant 60fps on ultra because I'm CPU bound, don't lie. Furthermore, sure the GPU on the APU is impressive for an integrated video card, but a dedicated cheapo one would still fair better, even in ITX (which I'm using too). TL:DR APUs still aren't good enough to take them seriously. I'll bet thats why LMG wont review them because its nothing special. They don't review low end GPUs either, an APU has a lower end GPU.
umm....Go watch the video. AMD's rep specifically said this WAS the i7 6900K, sooo..... (and they were both capped at 3.2ghz, not 3ghz. and they implied there was no turbo boost)
For the VR "suit" or "backpack", you could just use standard millitary load bearing equipment. I mean, for FPS games and such where you play a soldier you are supposed to have a chest rig, a vest with lvl4 plates, a lvl 3a helmet and so on, so everything could be done to replicate that with computer parts instead of mags, grenades, plates, ...
Currently we have 2 versions of the 470 here in Denmark. The Sapphire Radeon RC 470 with the stock cooler on it, and the MSI RX 470 Gaming X 4G. The Sapphire is 1608 DKK (244 USD), and the MSI is 1899 (288 USD). The cheapest 480 is the Gigabyte G1 Gaming-4GD, also a custom cooler, is at 1999 DKK (304 USD). The price difference is.. stupid, just as you say. The price difference her is a small-ish family pizza. The difference is so small, it makes absolutely no sense. The most expensive 480 currently, is the ASUS Strix 8 GB at 2649 DKK (403 USD). All things consideren, it's a 1.000 DKK difference from the cheapest 470, to the most expensive 480. I'm currently running 7870 CF, which is starting to struggle, as the CF can be quite buggy with the AMD drivers. They are still very much playable in games, but I could use some more eye candy, and just overall more performance in some games, like iRacing, Project CARS as well as Ashes of the Singularity. I was considering going for the new AMD cards, as they really are buck-ass cheap. Usually, you have a clear difference in price, like with the 1060-1070-1080 at Nvidia, with quite big gaps, but somehow AMD managed to fuck this up. Sense, it makes none.
A note on grammar - "being ran" is incorrect. "being" implies current and continuous action so the correct usage is "being run". It would have been better to say "which motherboard they used when they ran the tests"
watch and listen to their presentation. It is a 6900k. AMD also said more than 40% across all benchmarks at this presentation .Its happening start reading the and watching the source material.
The only way I can see VR working without wires to a PC with current technology is basically to build a PC into a backpack. The thing is that this is an extremely expensive solution. Using basic VR capable PC parts plus the cost of a VR set will easily put you into the £2000+ price range. I have actually priced up a partial build for this using a Haswell based CPU, a basic Mitx motherboard and an RX480 which is probably the cheapest VR capable graphics card on the market you run over £540. Add to that the batteries, custom circuitry to regulate power supply (different voltages going to different points on the motherboard, etc.) plus a VR kit which will set you back over £500 by itself. This comes in before working out how to mount all this, the base you are mounting it too (I presume you would adapt a backpack which includes a plate that keeps it inflexible) and all the time for researching and building means this gets very expensive very fast.
10 minutes discussing a PC suit when a week ago they were in London checking out Pascal Laptops... This is why I love LMG, they always take things to the extreme
I know this is a live show, but it's so annoying when video's online have the same windows alert sounds in them. I'm usually thinking, what's wrong with my usb header? Ever ytime I pause the video, look around my desktop, rewind the video and go "oh it's in the video".
Years of not enough video card releases that weren't re-badges, now people are complaining about releases? Seriously keep the video card releases coming!
Competitive battling has no shame in the UK. Any communications provider will outright say they're better than another, and name it in their advertising. Even shopping markets print out "You saved X more than Y" on shopping recipes, and posters all over. It's quite fun they don't shy away from it.
Linus, you really don't realise that Google provides personalised search results? [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[N] and use Incognito to browse search results that the general public gets. You're welcome.
Linus is so right about the Corsair M45/M65. Those mice are amazingly comfortable. The only mouse that got me to switch was the MX Master as my DD. But I still use two M45s as well. Hope they never die.
I just upgraded my computer, from an AMD to an Intel system. I have been an AMD fanboy since like 2000 when I studied programming. I really hope Zen works out and kick some scores around but I won't be able to do AMD for a long time..oh and the song was Baa Baa Black Sheep
Everyone should be hoping for AMD to to pull it off. Even if you don't like AMD, competition makes everything better. I have high hopes for Zen, planning on building a ZEN PC next year hopefully.
I'm really hoping they're going for a wearable mITX machine. Actually, it could just be a well-balanced backpack. With a short, shielded and flexible PCI riser you could totally fit an mITX mb and a full size GPU onto the back, then add LiOn batteries onto the front straps to counter-balance. A very rough calculation says that with good DC-DC converter efficiency, somewhere between 25 and 50 (very high) quality 16850's should be able to power a ~250W rig for an hour.
I think the word you were looking for to describe Intel was "complacent". I am truly excited for Ryzen and think this will get Intel trying again. Vega is aiming to do the same to Nvidia. I'm no fan boy, but I am rooting for Red team to really shake things up.
The top of your head is facing the ceiling 99% - to all of the time right? Have a single led on the ceiling that blinks out a signal, and have a 360 degree sensor on your head that detects the signal. Instant wireless data streaming.
If you end up doing that "Immature Buyer's Guide" video (Which I would absolutely watch) You should go with dual R7 250s in crossfire, the r7 250 is available with 2 gigs of v-ram, not sure off the top of my head if you can get a 260 for $69... maybe..., but for $69 the only graphics card worth a damn is going to be an AMD card. I just did an EXTREME budget build featuring the r7 250 so I can attest to it's performance (It does suck, but it sucks less then the R7 240 that I know you love so very, very much)
Still running my about 6 year old watercooled and OCed X6 1090T (OCed to 6 x 4,0 ghz) and a R9 280x doing a great job on Battlefield 1 ;) wanted to upgrade to x99 (6850) but when i heard, ZEN and VEGA is coming, i'll wait :D
This actually makes me pretty anxious about pricing. I was hoping for a $300-$500 8C/16T from AMD, but, if it's matching Intel's $1100 8-core, good chance the pricing will reflect that.
FX owners would be pissed about such a wide gap in the upgrade path, but I suppose AMD could counter that even the 4-core Zen is an upgrade from previous FX chips.
Finally, someone shares my idea. Laptops can have a GTX 1080 and a Core i7 6700HQ and run a very good VR experience; why don't we put that hardware in a vest. That whole system would only take half of your back at most; fill the rest with a battery. it seems heavy but it's really not. You can easily walk and run with 40 lbs on your back (I like hiking); This will probably be 12 lb. That will give you at least 2 hours of game-play. If you want more time to play, it can have all of its i/o on top to be routed with one short thunderbolt cable to the headset and one thin power cable up and across the ceiling and down the wall to a power outlet with included hooks to attach to the ceiling. For the heat, have the intakes at the top with the i/o, span a giant heat-sink across the motherboard to cool everything and exhaust at the bottom but angled away from your back. Only have SSDs for storage because HDDs can't handle excessive motion. For comfort, use padded shoulder straps and a belt to keep the system tight against you for less weight shifting. Let's face it; your going to get sweaty using VR, so make the straps and padding removable and machine washable. These features will enable anyone (with a lot of money) to have a great VR experience.
WUT!?!? AMD focusing on IPC improvements!? I'm hella excited! And who the hell's been complaining about too many GPU videos!? Keep 'em coming! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! New life for aging LGA1151 systems!!!!
I registered a Hyundai ad attacking my country's automobile manufacturer (Škoda) and proclaiming itself as the true czech car manufacturer. They've built a factory in here and now aggressively want to take their bite of the market, because Škodas are still very popular amongst the population.
Today was the first time I looked at what WAN standed for. I thought it stood for Wide Area News, like a play on the network descriptor. Was I giving too much credit?
I am a huge AMD fan boy you can say. But damn the past few years they have been slacking to the point were I had been using AMD since my old K6-233 that I had to switch to Intel 3 years ago. Thats sucks, but its just life. Happy to see AMD finally doing something again..
What are you trying to do with the CPU exactly? Chasing 100+ FPS in multiplayer games? FX-8350 is easily capable of stable 60 FPS in modern multiplayer games with solid graphics.
Cossack-HD Video & Photo editing, plus heavy multitasking. If it was just for games I would have went with a high clocked i5..
+Cossack-HD first off what's wrong with wanting 100+ fps that's what I shoot for when possible
2nd its important to have a good cpu for other things then just games
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Good, seems like I'm running Battlefield 4 maxed out with rock solid 60 FPS on "trash". I guess PS4 is more than double trash. 8350 with OC is faster than modern i3 which aren't overclockable. By you logic, modern i3 are trash too but they still cost some money for some reason. I wonder what that reason is. Oh right, they aren't trash just like FX isn't trash either! And by the way, i3 6100 gets loaded too 90-100% in games which leaves no room for background applications and streaming.
Note that I don't mean that buying a new AM3 CPU is reasonable, but it's even less reasonable to trash FX and buy i3.
Joe's Photo & Video Channel
3 years ago, 8350 was still had very decent price/performance in professional applications. Only very specific users needed more performance back then and yes, AMD had nothing better to offer. Today, mainstream intel CPUs match the old top AMD CPUs (5 years difference, oh how surprising!) - still not reasonable to flip unless you aim for higher end.
blackfear1562
60Hz displays are mainstream. On FX-8350, video rendering times for 1080 30FPS are just slightly longer than actual video length, that's almost real time rendering. Too slow?
Still, it's not reasonable to buy FX today, but it's not reasonable to replace it by i3.
you're looking at in general, you're not paying attention to the certain times when that i3 is really gonna make you wish you bought an i5 instead.
This is the first time I have ever seen one of your WAN shows and I love it. I love your channel. I work in a Data Center and love learning about the systems we use from you guys. I am also a gamer and pc builder and I find your show very informational. Now I am watching this instead of binge watching a show on netflix. You guys are awesome!
Is UA-cam getting green? Cause all i see are recycled jokes :v
Dayuum
Is that a new joke or also recycled...
i bet my left fucking nut you copy pasted that
+Timothy Levi goodbye left nut
+Timothy Levi that's a small bet then...
Only when I can't sleep I'll dig up the WAN archive and watch the newest one.
Only one I'm not at practice I will watch it live
Harambe faked his death
I'm in the Island
+Harambe come back. We miss you.
Dix out for you
Harambe did 7-11
he chaos dunked himself out of existence
Great show as always guys! Favorite line of the show - Linus: "Enjoy all of that 1080penis"
i actually watched this
full
for the first time
most interesting wan show
can we all just take a moment to realize luke and linus were both on the show from start to finish and nothing planned during the wan show...:)
Last time i was this early islam was a "religion of peace"
Did i do it right?? :/
Fail, it never was... xD
+MvR Games what the shit? isis embodies what islam is
Because Mohammad attacking Meccan caravans was very peaceful!
Come off it!
Everyone is still ignoring the fact their prophet was a murder.
The idea of their religion is to emulate the life of Muhammad.
It is documented in their own hadiths that Muhammad killed people.
Hi Linus, Malaysian here.. Great to hear you liked the match between LCW and LD!! We enjoyed it very much over here too.. All the best to LCW for his final game!! :D
Intel needs competent competition. AMD needs an enthusiast chip too. Please happen.
By the way, Titan X (maxwell) vs. Titan X (pascal) pisses me off. The maxwell is at a particular site for sale at more than the pascal. WTF!? I'm with you, NAME IT SOMETHING ELSE!
MAKE THE VR SUIT!
if AMD engineers weren't so stupid, Intel would had competent competition five years ago.
+jamie 711711 I seriously doubt AMD has stupid engineers. Maybe they just don't have enough money?
+jamie 711711 I bet you know all about creating a CPU architecture, way more than those dumb engineers whose job it is
Watching your WAN show for the second time and had a lot of fun here. I will definetly watch the next part!
Unlisted squad check in, gotta go to bed now myself
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+YOTTAZOID how do you get the link if they are unlisted?
The video is posted on the LTT forums before it is public on UA-cam.
I've ended up on unlisted videos by mistake. Can never tell you how. It just happens.
Since you guys are having a Nursery Rhyme/Lullaby brain block, the tune that the poem "The Star" (by jane taylor 1806) is sung to is also the tune for The Alphabet (as you mentioned) and "Baa Baa Black Sheep."
The actual tune is "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" from France, roughly 1761 by the phenomenal Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart who originally published it in "Twelve variations on "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman" so there are at least 12 more out there in french.
I don't think you dislike AMD. I think you have a habit of using benchmarks that are biased towards nvidia. This isn't arguable. You guys have released a bunch of shady crap like "oh lets not use vulkan doom in this benchmark where amd gets a 40% increase in performance" or "lets use old ass games instead of the new dx12 titles unless its tombraider that runs like shit for everyone but especially amd" or "lets only use gameworks titles!"
I don't think you do these things on purpose, but you never go back and fix them either. Instead you get defensive and go "oh! amd fanboys!". I think its good to use benchmarks that favor a manufacture as long as you equally use ones that favor the other brand.
Facts
just curious, what games/benchmarks favor AMD?
+Droidmeister most dx12/Vulcan titles, though no amd favoured games cripple nvidia performance
+Droidmeister DX 12 Games and Vulkan Games.
OK so name off all of the Vulkan or DX12 games that are out "besides Doom"?
Thank you for the Time Stamp in the description!
I wish Nvidia gets sued for the 1060 3GB
No,it's mostly Nvidia being well... Nvidia,greedy as hell,so you can call them Ngreedia :)
Why would they be sued?
I wish you get sued by nvidia for leaving such a dumb comment xD Why the fuck would they get sued for a naming scheme?
because the memory isn t the only difference from a 1060 6gb
grey hound It's not that much of a difference that people need to get *FUCKING SUED* for it.
i've suggested squarespace to a few people - sponsoring this show is worth it
AMD is clearly the Lucy to LTT's Charlie Brown
+88eyeguy haha well-played
hi linux !
hi there
I never thought you would watch the match Linus! Cheers from Malaysia!
I could care less how much power Zen uses, I just really need a new quad core to run at 4.0GHz on air for $150.00 or less.
you couldn't* care less...
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Hopefully.
Because I like even numbers & symmetry lol. The build will also have 8GB RAM (max 16 supported).
Juha Airaksinen I guess if that's the definition of it for today.
Hi from Malaysia, Linus. Thanks for supporting our LCW. Sadly he didnt make it in the end.
Please build the VR suit with Adam Savange from Tested
This is my favorite episode of the wan show, ever
I'm super excited for Zen too but it HAS to be significantly cheaper than Intel core for core.. So that AMD sell loads of the things.
***** Being a little bit behind won't make much of a difference for a lot of people if it's half the price I reckon
broadwell e is the newest iteration and it can only reliably clock to around 4.2-4.4 with the latter taking some serious voltage compared to the previous generation haswell e...
It's funny, because when I got my haswell and pushed it to 4.5 my buddy went off about how sandy bridge 2500k was the shit for OC lol
Yash Chauhan He was right in a way. Sandybridge was the last mainstream Intel CPU that had a proper thermal solution. My Ivybridge and your haswell both have pathetic heat dissipation, skylake is even worse.To get a CPU with a proper thermal solution requires Intels HEDT platform, or an AMD CPU. In summer my 3570k @ 4.2ghz gets 40c deltas under load with a NOCTUA D14!
Maurice Orris This makes me sad, but also more hopeful for Zen to be a viable competitor to push Intel's hand in a timely manner. Fingers crossed my friend.
Best. WAN Show. In. AGES. Humour was absolutely on point - bravo ;-)
Nvidia isn't sending their "1060 3GB" cards to reviewers so that people who are thinking of buying them will only see the reviews of the "1060" and assume that the card they're buying is better than it really is.
Nvidia is really starting to disgust me.
Makes up his own reason for something he has no idea about, then judging an entire company based on the reason he made up and has no about. nice move kiddo
SuperPowerKiwi Nice return argument there. I bet you'd do really well in politics.
+Seth Winfrey the Vram doesn't really matter unless you're doing stuff above 1440p or some heavy anti aliesing
TheSuperslajsaren Yes, while I think 4GB would be ideal, the bigger problem is the cut in specs, essentially making it like the difference between the 480 4GB and 470.
Seth Winfrey Ohh my bad didn't relize it was a difference
This was an amazing WAN Show episode!!
So they had to lower the Intel clock speed? That's like breaking Usain Bolt's leg and racing him and saying you are better.
They had to lower the clocks to make it a fair test mate
Was an engineering sample vs a released product, it won't be at its release clock speed yet, so they underclocked the Intel half to make the test 'fairer' (a manufacturer with a conflict of interest will only ever be so fair)
So you're saying it's unfair to pit an AMD chip with 8 cores / 16 threads at 3GHz against an Intel chip with 8 cores / 16 threads at 3GHz?
It's literally as fair a comparison as you can get.
the were both at 3ghz , it wasn't realty about slowing it down they just showed that specific clock speed buddy for heads to head they could of chose 4.0ghz and so on
+Krystian “Kryss” Nowak the fact that your are saying it doesn't oc to 4.0 shows how ignorant you are cause no one know anything about this cpu and I doubt you work at amd.
For the wearable vest idea:
I think that's totally doable, but you absolutely need to keep the wearer comfort (temperature) in mind and not just the hardware. You need to design the cooling system so that it cools the contact areas between the vest and the user - keeping everything dry and cool. Otherwise you will turn into a sweaty hot mess after a while of moving around. Even if the hardware is well cooled, it will still transfer significant heat through the material to the body - as well as physically block the normal dissipation of heat in that area. That will add up, no matter how energy efficient or well cooled the hardware you use.
All you need are some air-channels in the mounting structure though between hardware and body though. Absolutely doable, and if done right it could actually be turn out extremely comfortable for long-term use due to basically having inbuilt air-con.
I'm still butthurt about Lin Dan losing. How dare you Linus.
+engerlandt get rekt
+LinusTechTips #rekt
I've no idea who Chen Long is, but he's got all my support! Fingers crossed.
dude, Chen Long is number 2 right now, just below Lee but lee is on fire right now, there's no brake for him now.
+LinusTechTips Malaysians agree!!
To all of the people claiming Intel/Nvidia bias. Linus was one of if not the only person that defended the R9-300 series as being more then a rebrand of the 200 series. And with that said tell AMD to release something new and they'll review it. When Zen releases I'm sure they're going to cover it fairly well.
"Handai" lmao. Come on Luke, it's Hyundai!
That's what he said, Handai...
D Bee He said Han, like Ham. :P
Handai
I thought he said Hen Tay, like that weird japanese stuff.
Surge Hentai. lmao
+Surge You mean the weird Japanese cars? =P
So, TO DO list for LTT:
- Build a 'suit' VR PC (totally do this!)
- Build a 69 PC (have fun finding cpu-coolers/fans that cost 69 bucks that aren't super overpriced or crappy (in case of watercooled all-in-one CPU sets))
I for one can't wait! Great show this week guys!
Also I really liked the comparison of LTT to Top Gear.. never thought of it but I guess that's as good a comparison as any, and I for one wholeheartedly agree with LTT being like Top Gear.
4.5 gb 1060 at the very minimum, that can fit the 192 bit bus. what's with this 3gb shit?
2.5*
If you want slightly more VRAM, get the 970
+dasyad00 or 480
I have no idea what you're trying to say, because that's not how memory works.... The amount of VRAM usage is barely affected by memory bandwidth.
Tyler Weigand NOT Vram usage, benefit to performance from that usage.
69$ build needs to happen people!
1060 3GB is garbage buy a AMD card or the true 1060! :)
if your doing 1080p, there wouldnt be a differance...
there is some difference if you play on ultra
TheCanadianLanBoy
Say that to GTA V where my GTX 970 is using all 3.5GBs of VRAM and the GPU core is barely doing any work... :(
Tom raider apparently (from what I heard) can use up to 7GB of VRAM on 1080p.
+Said Alghifarix i think if ur doing 1080p and ur not green team only, just buy a 4gb rx470 or 480 those can handle ultra 1080p above 60fps in just abt every game i know when paired with a decent i5
Thank you Jim Keller, you've saved AMD
Delid a gaming laptop slap it on your back and add some extra battery's.
There are some products announced already... don't know why they don't seem to know.
lol walk around with your laptop and a huge expidition bag filled with laptop batteries
Been following Linus almost 3 years now and never knew he's into Badminton...
I'm Impressed!
why would they think you dislike amd? your all on about excavator being soo old. your confusing excavator the 2 microarches past piledriver the one you are confusing for excavator, not counting refresh stuff, trinity richland, kaveri Godavari, Carrizo being excavator or 7th gen apu. excavator itself is 15-25% faster than piledriver ipc. but how would you know anything your only tech reporters.
Yeah, that was a bit painful :P
This video wasn't even live on stream. It was way too perfect.
"Nvidia drops the bomb".... shows a 3GB GPU.................. The RX 470 is stil better because it works better with vulkan and DX12 and has 4GB Vram... and better price. Luke's last video shows enough.
OMG hearing linus talk about Lee CW on the channel! so proud of Malaysia!!!!
Also, most of this video is just them talking about everything but the topics xD
That's the point of the WAN show
If you want more info they have the forum link in the description. All the topic details and the source links are included.
Thoughts on PV SIndhu? We Indians love her and she was brilliant against Marin and she's only 21!
the radeon ssd .... i will buy it for an all amd build when zen hits the shelves
What case will you use?
CaveManta Dreemurr not sure yet, i have never heard of an AMD case, and i myself don't know a lot about cases but i guess i'll try to mod the AMD logo on some acrylic window and light the window from the frame with some red LEDs
i guess i'll use some corsair or cooler master combo, it depends on what all in one water cooler i'll choose
Don't forget the AMD RAM! Like anyone could forget the AMD RAM.
toy machine if they rebrand someone's ddr4 as well
+DakuHonoo Red Life
Split the presentation of information between the two of you. This format has a feeling of a late night talk show with the same guest every night.
do you know Susi Susanti Linus? hehe please reply this comment hehe
+toeamuda sorry I got into badminton a bit later. Only Indonesian player I know is Taufik
+LinusTechTips are you Linus or someone from your team?
congrats on winning gold in mixed doubles!
taufik u on about linus
@Linus a general suggestion - mind the positioning of the white text (title) on your video thumbnails. When viewing your content on mobile, the thumbnail title is often covered by the time stamp on the bottom right corner
Unlisted Party!
It's actually kind of sad how you went on the forums and probably kept refreshing the page to see this post :/
+Dennis Playing Lacrosse?
Actually, it just popped up on my screen while I was doing other things. Anyway, I watched it live so I wouldn't have cared either way.
it's called NOTIFICATONS, they pop up without the need to refresh.
+DanielRichards644 No the Wan Show is unlisted for a few minutes on the LTT forums. Then it is uploaded publicly and the notification is given.
Dennis Playing Lacrosse?
the notification from following the forum IS the notification I was referring to, it pops up on the screen regardless of what page i'm on.
The last time I was this early the WAN Show was prerecorded.
1080penis
At 57:39
I was looking for someone who also noticed lol
Happy Birthday, Linus!
Mine was yesterday, strangely enough.
This couple is soooooo sweeeet
Linus has a wife.
lol
In Australia we have/had a show about advertising and they asked why brands don't (hardly ever) mention other brands even in comparisons (it's always the leading brand or next leading brand instead of an actual name) and the consensus from all the ad people was that getting your competitors name out, even in a negative way, promotes their brand awareness. So the only time they will mention a brand specifically if that brand is already dominating the market. The Issue with ZEN is slightly different because like they said in this video they don't want to be held to a benchmark in the future if it changes etc. They don't want somebody to recreate it and make a huge stink because it's actually 2fps lower than they claimed and sue them.
Wait a second...if you would like to become the "Top Gear" of Computing, you would have put AMD's APUs regularly through it's paces, because Intel just doesn't have anything, that can compete with them. See, i like LTT, sometimes more, sometimes less. But especially when it comes to AMD, you guys suck. I'm sorry, but the AMD 7890K may only be as fast as a midrange i3 CPU wise - but the iGPU blows the Iris Pro out of the water. And while gaming at F-HD, CPU just doesn't make a huge difference. This is btw also something, you lack a lot. Anandtech does an amazing job with that stuff - yes, the CPU does make a difference, but mostly only about 10-15%. Comparing that to the prices, where an Intel may cost more than double that, what the AMD costs...Nope. There is just no comparison. Intel has NOTHING in the price range about $80, that compares to an 880K for example. Yes, the Pentium range is faster IPC wise, also some i3's around that pricepoint are faster. But this just doesn't matter, if some games don't start on a 2-Core CPU anymore.
No - you are a VERY Long way away, from becoming the Top Gear of Computing. Well...unless you're talking about 2016 Top Gear...
Potato's are squares and bleu
"CPU just doesn't make a huge difference"
My 860K OC to 4.5Ghz + WATERCOOLED
BF4 Ultra 45Fps
My i3 6100 stock
BF4 Ultra 60+Fps
And no one cares about iGpus. Anandtech has an article where a 860K (750K) paired with a dGpu such as a r7 250 performs WAY better.
*****
I do. I've got a small ITX System on my TV.
Also: That Anandtech article is about the 7850K and from the stone age. Also: The 7870K is as fast, as the i5-4960 with the same Graphics Card in Total War. In GTA5 the i5 is only 6 FPS faster. Which is nothing at around 80 FPS.
Btw: On the iGPU i can Play Grid @ 720p with very high Details at around 60 FPS. The System costs about the same as a PS4.
And Btw2: I can play BF4 with my R9 290 and my 880K @ 4,3 GHz with around 55-60 FPS. The 860K is also Stone Age technology. Your argument is invalid.
NFreund I don't think you know what you're talking about. (unless you trolling)
The 860K is the SAME CPU as the 7850K, 7870K, 880K etc.
And don't kid yourself, none of these CPUs can even touch an i5 2500.
btw3: I use an RX480 OC at 1380. Much greater than your 290 AND I'm overclocked higher AND I still can't maintain a constant 60fps on ultra because I'm CPU bound, don't lie.
Furthermore, sure the GPU on the APU is impressive for an integrated video card, but a dedicated cheapo one would still fair better, even in ITX (which I'm using too).
TL:DR APUs still aren't good enough to take them seriously. I'll bet thats why LMG wont review them because its nothing special. They don't review low end GPUs either, an APU has a lower end GPU.
Someone that is looking for "top gear" performance, ain't looking at no stinking APU. It can not compete with a 480 even.
umm....Go watch the video. AMD's rep specifically said this WAS the i7 6900K, sooo..... (and they were both capped at 3.2ghz, not 3ghz. and they implied there was no turbo boost)
For the VR "suit" or "backpack", you could just use standard millitary load bearing equipment. I mean, for FPS games and such where you play a soldier you are supposed to have a chest rig, a vest with lvl4 plates, a lvl 3a helmet and so on, so everything could be done to replicate that with computer parts instead of mags, grenades, plates, ...
Currently we have 2 versions of the 470 here in Denmark. The Sapphire Radeon RC 470 with the stock cooler on it, and the MSI RX 470 Gaming X 4G. The Sapphire is 1608 DKK (244 USD), and the MSI is 1899 (288 USD). The cheapest 480 is the Gigabyte G1 Gaming-4GD, also a custom cooler, is at 1999 DKK (304 USD).
The price difference is.. stupid, just as you say. The price difference her is a small-ish family pizza. The difference is so small, it makes absolutely no sense. The most expensive 480 currently, is the ASUS Strix 8 GB at 2649 DKK (403 USD). All things consideren, it's a 1.000 DKK difference from the cheapest 470, to the most expensive 480.
I'm currently running 7870 CF, which is starting to struggle, as the CF can be quite buggy with the AMD drivers. They are still very much playable in games, but I could use some more eye candy, and just overall more performance in some games, like iRacing, Project CARS as well as Ashes of the Singularity. I was considering going for the new AMD cards, as they really are buck-ass cheap. Usually, you have a clear difference in price, like with the 1060-1070-1080 at Nvidia, with quite big gaps, but somehow AMD managed to fuck this up.
Sense, it makes none.
A note on grammar - "being ran" is incorrect. "being" implies current and continuous action so the correct usage is "being run". It would have been better to say "which motherboard they used when they ran the tests"
watch and listen to their presentation. It is a 6900k. AMD also said more than 40% across all benchmarks at this presentation .Its happening start reading the and watching the source material.
Seriously Linus is a malaysia fan
WOW I'm honored
The only way I can see VR working without wires to a PC with current technology is basically to build a PC into a backpack. The thing is that this is an extremely expensive solution. Using basic VR capable PC parts plus the cost of a VR set will easily put you into the £2000+ price range.
I have actually priced up a partial build for this using a Haswell based CPU, a basic Mitx motherboard and an RX480 which is probably the cheapest VR capable graphics card on the market you run over £540. Add to that the batteries, custom circuitry to regulate power supply (different voltages going to different points on the motherboard, etc.) plus a VR kit which will set you back over £500 by itself. This comes in before working out how to mount all this, the base you are mounting it too (I presume you would adapt a backpack which includes a plate that keeps it inflexible) and all the time for researching and building means this gets very expensive very fast.
Hi linus im from malaysia thanks for the support
10 minutes discussing a PC suit when a week ago they were in London checking out Pascal Laptops... This is why I love LMG, they always take things to the extreme
I know this is a live show, but it's so annoying when video's online have the same windows alert sounds in them. I'm usually thinking, what's wrong with my usb header?
Ever ytime I pause the video, look around my desktop, rewind the video and go "oh it's in the video".
Years of not enough video card releases that weren't re-badges, now people are complaining about releases? Seriously keep the video card releases coming!
Competitive battling has no shame in the UK. Any communications provider will outright say they're better than another, and name it in their advertising. Even shopping markets print out "You saved X more than Y" on shopping recipes, and posters all over. It's quite fun they don't shy away from it.
Linus, you really don't realise that Google provides personalised search results? [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[N] and use Incognito to browse search results that the general public gets. You're welcome.
Linus is so right about the Corsair M45/M65. Those mice are amazingly comfortable. The only mouse that got me to switch was the MX Master as my DD. But I still use two M45s as well. Hope they never die.
The other song you were trying to think of at 19:18 is Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. You're welcome.
I'm a Malaysian and I'm proud that Linus acknowledge Lee Chong Wei win against Lin Dan but sadly didn't manage to get the gold medal.
16:38 "NOOO...It's the world's BEST cup of crappy coffee."
I just upgraded my computer, from an AMD to an Intel system. I have been an AMD fanboy since like 2000 when I studied programming. I really hope Zen works out and kick some scores around but I won't be able to do AMD for a long time..oh and the song was Baa Baa Black Sheep
waiting on the 3 million subscribers video guys congrats great work
13:23 Thanks for the "Windows needs to restart to apply updates" jumpscare.
Congrats on almost 3M
@11:45 Guess that is how Linus got the ad for Toyota... someone from Toyota actually sat through and watched the WAN show.
Bootyfull linus and luke back at it again Thanks for making these videos👌
Wish I bought more AMD stock
Everyone should be hoping for AMD to to pull it off. Even if you don't like AMD, competition makes everything better. I have high hopes for Zen, planning on building a ZEN PC next year hopefully.
I'm really hoping they're going for a wearable mITX machine. Actually, it could just be a well-balanced backpack.
With a short, shielded and flexible PCI riser you could totally fit an mITX mb and a full size GPU onto the back, then add LiOn batteries onto the front straps to counter-balance.
A very rough calculation says that with good DC-DC converter efficiency, somewhere between 25 and 50 (very high) quality 16850's should be able to power a ~250W rig for an hour.
I think the word you were looking for to describe Intel was "complacent". I am truly excited for Ryzen and think this will get Intel trying again. Vega is aiming to do the same to Nvidia. I'm no fan boy, but I am rooting for Red team to really shake things up.
37.53 "without everyone in the house getting cancer" dude im laughing so hard rn
Why the heck Nvidia is the 3GB 1060 not called the 1050 or 1050 Ti, it's so misleading
The top of your head is facing the ceiling 99% - to all of the time right? Have a single led on the ceiling that blinks out a signal, and have a 360 degree sensor on your head that detects the signal.
Instant wireless data streaming.
If you end up doing that "Immature Buyer's Guide" video (Which I would absolutely watch) You should go with dual R7 250s in crossfire, the r7 250 is available with 2 gigs of v-ram, not sure off the top of my head if you can get a 260 for $69... maybe..., but for $69 the only graphics card worth a damn is going to be an AMD card. I just did an EXTREME budget build featuring the r7 250 so I can attest to it's performance (It does suck, but it sucks less then the R7 240 that I know you love so very, very much)
nearly 3m subs! grats fam.
Still running my about 6 year old watercooled and OCed X6 1090T (OCed to 6 x 4,0 ghz) and a R9 280x doing a great job on Battlefield 1 ;) wanted to upgrade to x99 (6850) but when i heard, ZEN and VEGA is coming, i'll wait :D
This actually makes me pretty anxious about pricing. I was hoping for a $300-$500 8C/16T from AMD, but, if it's matching Intel's $1100 8-core, good chance the pricing will reflect that.
Around $800-$900 is my guess
+Eminentend 850$ I guess
FX owners would be pissed about such a wide gap in the upgrade path, but I suppose AMD could counter that even the 4-core Zen is an upgrade from previous FX chips.
Lucid Strike
It will be a massive upgrade for sure. Unfortunately I can't wait so I just ordered an i5 66000k
+Eminentend Lol shouldve waited :D
You're not the Top Gear of PCs, you're at best the 2016 reboot.
Finally, someone shares my idea. Laptops can have a GTX 1080 and a Core i7 6700HQ and run a very good VR experience; why don't we put that hardware in a vest. That whole system would only take half of your back at most; fill the rest with a battery. it seems heavy but it's really not. You can easily walk and run with 40 lbs on your back (I like hiking); This will probably be 12 lb. That will give you at least 2 hours of game-play. If you want more time to play, it can have all of its i/o on top to be routed with one short thunderbolt cable to the headset and one thin power cable up and across the ceiling and down the wall to a power outlet with included hooks to attach to the ceiling. For the heat, have the intakes at the top with the i/o, span a giant heat-sink across the motherboard to cool everything and exhaust at the bottom but angled away from your back. Only have SSDs for storage because HDDs can't handle excessive motion. For comfort, use padded shoulder straps and a belt to keep the system tight against you for less weight shifting. Let's face it; your going to get sweaty using VR, so make the straps and padding removable and machine washable. These features will enable anyone (with a lot of money) to have a great VR experience.
Aug 20 Happy Birthday Linus :D posted this 1 hour after I woke up!
WUT!?!? AMD focusing on IPC improvements!? I'm hella excited!
And who the hell's been complaining about too many GPU videos!? Keep 'em coming!
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! New life for aging LGA1151 systems!!!!
I registered a Hyundai ad attacking my country's automobile manufacturer (Škoda) and proclaiming itself as the true czech car manufacturer.
They've built a factory in here and now aggressively want to take their bite of the market, because Škodas are still very popular amongst the population.
Today was the first time I looked at what WAN standed for. I thought it stood for Wide Area News, like a play on the network descriptor. Was I giving too much credit?
Happy birthday Linus!
"and you can enjoy all the 1080Penis" - Linus 2016
@57:38
Luke Rocks, so glad he is back on the show!!!!!!!!!!!!