What Vanguard Zombies did RIGHT
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- I take a look at the Heart and Altar of Covenant system in Vanguard to see how it adds gameplay progression. In addition, show how the same layout can work in one game mode and not in another.
Chapters:
00:00 Vanguard's Launch
04:30 Vanguard's Mechanics
09:30 Terra Maledicta
10:55 The Archon - Ігри
Great points, Vanguard definitely didn’t do everything wrong. The two round based maps are criminally overlooked.
Precisely, just because the objective maps are dog water, doesn't mean the rest of the content should be ignored.
Ah yes the remake and the reskin, great maps indeed( Shino Numa reborn was actually good tbh)
one thing i think vanguard did pretty well is the atmosphere it was actually pretty unique the whole devil vibe was cool hot take i prefer the aesthetic of vanguard than coldwar besides the jellyfish thing on die
Also great vid
Oh absolutely, the cult asthetics are so much better than cold war's boring grey military bases and mw3's, orange sky. Vanguard has style and the maps LOOK like they belong in zombies.
Der Anfang was a lot of fun for like 10 minutes. I think Der Anfang (and the general objective based style) would've worked better if there were a crap ton of objectives & more mini-maps to play said objectives on so it doesn't get stale after 1 match.
It's really inexcusable that you can teleport to objectives that are just sectioned off areas from the hub area on both Der Anfang and Terra Maledicda.
After the leaks from CoD its pretty obvious SHG had to crunch this game in about a year. Then in mw3 they got crunched even more in about 8 months. Its kinda crazy.
True, but this mode was actually entirely developed by Treyarch. Along with Modern Warfare Zombies. Poor sledgehammer can't seem to get a full year to make their game.
if they just remade the waw maps. And what I mean by this is adding pack a punch, that would be a decent zombies mode
That's why Shi no Numa Reborn works so well. They put a new area on the map with pack. Along with all the new mechanics I listed here. It's actually good stuff 😃
Geuinely think if vanguard had done “reborns” for all the waw maps instead of what we got it would actually be seen a nice small entry for zombies fans
@@CJSanta tru
@@celtic19 a Der Riese reborn would be nice though wouldn't work cause that's where Projekt Endstation was
Vanguard is one of those games that launched horribly but the final product ended up being ok but the, MW3 makes this game look good
If mw3 adds actual maps like this game did, there might be a chance. But I don't know with the armor system and gimped perks.
YES. WE STAND THE COVENANT SYSTEM IN THIS HOUSE!!!
Not going to lie, you've encouraged me to go back and give The Archon another try. Great Video btw!
You should, but definitely do shi no Numa first, it's great and a better map. But The Archon has a more Bo1 feel to it, while shi no has waw.
Just found your channel by the grace of the algorithm, and it's always nice to see people appreciating the scant few good things about Vanguard. I still personally prefer Shi No Numa to The Archon because of personal bias, but I will concede that the buffed Decimator is not only cool but incredibly powerful with the shortened cooldown compared to its original iteration. Overall, I feel what we had here was a strong basis for a renewed round-based experience going forward; from the consolidated currencies, covenants, reprisal of Rampage Inducer, strong artstyle/visual cohesion and the removal of weapon rarity in-lieu of keeping PaP tiers. Great video!
I'm happy you enjoyed the video, but I too agree that shi no Numa Reborn is better. I just wanted to highlight how fascinating it is that we have two maps with the same layout, but they couldn't play more diffrent. Due to mechanics and modes. I think shi no Reborn is definitely the best map in the game, but the Archon has the better boss fight for sure. And it is nice to have all 3 wonder weapons on the map. 😁
This video has made me tempted to refownload Vanguard to give that map another chance! Also I agree it’s weird more content creators never really talked about that upgrade system, or gave it the appreciation it deserves.
To be fair, they did add more covenants over time and I think they were taken aback by the OTHER lacking aspects of the game at the time lol.
If you like Shi no Numa, definitely re-download. Just be warned to make space on your system for all those gigs 😅
@@CJSanta I originally typed out “if I can free enough space” in my comment but deleted it to keep it focused :’) I forgot how damn big that game was, I really wish they optimised them better.
I'm glad you covered the positives about Vanguard Zombies because there is genuinely a lot of good nature this game tried to attempt. Activision just got in the way which sucks because this game had some great ideas. Personally, I loved the idea of upgrading your perks in-game, the covenant system, the cult and devil aesthetic, the idea of dark aether gods. It's such a shame how overlooked these aspects of the game mode are. Content creators really didn't cover these elements of the mode enough, other than Milo. Definitely not a good zombies mode, but the point is it had a vision and some clever ideas to bring to the table.
Yes I agree, I try to always find the good in the bad. And while the objective maps are bad the round based are not because of the unique ideas Vanguard brought to the table.
Such a shame mwz didn't even bother to include them.
@@CJSanta Fr bro, that's one of the reasons I avoided MWZ because they completely ignored perk upgrades and in fact made it worse by keeping your perks after going down. They also didn't bother with the covenant system again which sucked. Thanks for the reply!
@@OzzersOz of course! I always enjoy talking zombies 🙂
Vanguard Zombies is on paper more interesting to me than Bo3 and Bo4 cause of the Nazi occultist story you have going. It fit way more with WaW and Bo1 storytelling aswell
I’ve always argued the Vanguard round-based maps’ Easter eggs are better than most Cold War Easter eggs. They are still very lackluster but at least have some more thought-provoking steps like Simon Says on The Archon.
I did The Archon easter egg for the first time for the footage of this video, that step took me a few rounds before I got it right.
No cold war egg gave me ANY kind of challenge lol 😆
I feel like cod vanguard zombies was a testing subject, they did everything wrong so they could know everything right.
I LOVE VANGOATED
Are we still forgetting the small dev team on Vanguard zombies? The new engine they werent used to?
pretty good video ngl keep up the good work! You have that chill youtuber voice 2
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm actually very proud of this video 🙂
Vangoated finally getting the respect it deserves 🙏. I sometimes wonder what Vanguard could’ve been if they just did round based from the beginning.
100%!
#VanGOATED
Would have been 100% better
They just gotta give us more things to unlock within the main gameplay loop. CW and VG covenants were a massive step in the right direction. Still, revert Der Wunderfizz or remove it, it was meant specially for hardware limitations ( according to Blundell ).
I wouldn't trust blundell as far as I could throw him BUT yes the gameplay needs things to work towards and the covenants are a great thing. Also something I forgot to mention, if you do the easter agg and beat the boss fight, IT DOESNT END YOUR GAME! 😮
I should also add my preferred "class" build is Crit Shotgun, you low-key made me want reinstall Vanguard
Oh yeah, the crit that returns two shells to the mag every kill? LOVE that one! I like how Vanguard experimented with cool little things like that.
Underrated game 🔥
I'm one of the few zombie players that enjoyed Vanguard. (for the most part)
I always try to look for the good in the bad, most often it's there. 🙂
I love the rampage inducer and covenants in the gameplay loop. for me what I would have change would be to use the full 10 attachment slots of the weapons. shi no numa was fun enough for me to get dark aether camo lol
Shi no Numa and the Archon are great round based maps, and that's because of Vanguard's mechanics. It really is alot of fun and a good system.
@@CJSanta yeah if Vanguard actually had round based in Der Anfang then the game would prolly have done better than CW like it was all there to be like another WW2 Zombies mixed with WaW/Bo1 story but man it's honestly sad the missed potential.
People hate on it and joke at it's expense and such but for me it kind of sad cause like it was the most zombies it has been storywise in along time
9:31 - lmao, I actually much prefer Terra Maledicta. Thought the layout was solid, wonder weapon is cool, void area is a ton of fun. There's also a bunch of little side easter eggs that are somewhat fun. When I play Vanguard I pretty much only play Shi No Numa Reborn but I will sometimes hop on Terra. It's the other two maps I never touch. Great video regardless of my difference in opinion!
Always interesting to see a different perspective, especially when it comes to vanguard! I mostly play The Archon and Der Anfang 😅
Vanguard is such a bizarre game, I'm thinking I'll do another video on it fully going in depth into the Covenant system. 👀
Shi No Numa reborn is the BEST version of Shi No Numa ever. The only thing that comes close is a modded version on BO1 called the “Zombies Renaissance” mod. I will have to pick up Vanguard on PC the next time it goes on sale.
Yeah I would ONLY recommend buying Vanguard when it's on a massive discount, like 10 dollars 😅
Because 2 maps are all that's worth putting the time in.
Indeed, great points.
The best this is in the future, with the correct modding and twaking, Vanguard is gonna be a better game. Unfortunately i say its limited just as black ops 2, 4 or mw2019 on what we can do do it but it will surely help alot.
I think if someone were to make The Archon into a bo3 custom map with all of these mechanics, it would work out great!
I also think Vg did a really good job with the art direction and atmosphere. I mean... MrRoflWaffles made so many trailer debunking videos, connecting the initial Vanguard zombies trailer to Cold War, making theories... it really got me and a lot of other people excited for the game! The map's atmosphere is 100% there with Der Anfang (aside from it literally being Multiplayer maps; not made for zombies).
I would even argue Archon has decent atmosphere, mainly in the boss fight arena.
Honestly imagining this art direction with unique handcrafted RBZ maps (not multiplayer / singeplayer maps), and the storyline quality of older zombies, vanguard could've been really good.
The art direction and atmosphere is the best aspect of the game and much better than both Cold War and MWZ
This video could’ve been 5 seconds long with you saying “nothing” and it would’ve still been valid
What would be cool for cod 2024 is if they combine the gobblegum/elixer system and the covenants system together. Imagine getting a perkaholic or shopping free out of the altar
Oh interesting!
Here's a covenant idea;
Shoppers Discount
-level 1 makes all perchasing 10% off
-level 2 makes everything 15% off
-level 3 makes everything 20% off
Perkaholic
-level 1 allows you to buy 5 perks
-level 2 allows you to buy 6 perks
-level 3 allows you to buy 7 perks
I think the covenant system is an amazing platform that should be brought back and expanded!
Fate and Fortune Cards were better than gobblegums ngl
Putting aside that its reused content, I actually like the green beige tint in the Archon. It gives the map a different kind of spooky vibe. Like Helheim in God of War 2018.
Feels more like a zombies map that mw3 😅
@@CJSanta You mean DMZ2😆
I loved a lot of the vanguard mechanics. The only things I didn't really like were deadshot and alternate ammo types being tied into the covenant system, only the 5 perks on every map, and the lack of weapon blueprints like cold war had. Also you make great videos and this one is no exception
I'm glad you like it, I like how double pack abilities are not tied to guns. Now, the ray gun can make turned zombies! 😁🧟♂️
Oh god, what cycle are we in?
I think it's a combination of Stockholm syndrome, abuse, perception disphoria, and quality spiraling down into the depths of the dark aether.
This game had a lot of potential to be great
Just didn't get the development time or money, sadly 😕
You did change my mind concerning those couple of things!
It shows that you replied to my comment and yet my comment is gone.
I came into this video with an absolutely adamant attitude against Vanguard. Not going to lie here, I still wouldn't buy or play the game on principle alone. As a consumer, I vote with my wallet, and new COD isn't for me. But, your points showed me that had this game been taken care of as it should have been, it could have been great.
Glad you enjoyed the video and I could show the little good that there is here.
Absolutely not worth paying for the game, if you can pick up a disc in like 3 years for 5 bucks, then I'd day it's worth it.
I played Vanguard recently, and the 2 objective maps are terrible, in my opinion, but Shi Nu numa and the archons Easter eggs are severely underrated.
Looking back, I do have to agree, I did play and enjoy the Archon more than Anfang and TM, also seeing MWZ be really divisive really does make me mad because people crying for round based in MWZ is self sabotage for Treyarch imo, since more dev time is taken away from Gulf War just to cater to the hardcore veterans of zombies but that's just me
The point of this video was to highlight the covenants but also to show that it's not so much the layout that matters, but rather the game mode mechanics that make a fun experience.
And MWZ, fun for me, it is not.
@@CJSanta yeah, my bad, sorry I got off topic
nah you're good, discussing zombies is always fun 🙂@@zyvernious
Vanguard Zombies wasn't all bad. Honestly if Der Anfang was a regular round based with more stuff it be not a bad map and prolly C tier if anything. I think it's overall not bad but it's whatever
Hey man, been enjoying watching these, but please work on the audio mixing. You are much too quiet and your clips are too loud.
Really worried that because this game flopped treyarch have now took covenants and in game upgrading over out of game as now bad ideas when they were actually great innovations to the Cold War systems
Yeah, that's the biggest worry, considering the rumors that gobblegums are returning. I doubt we will see them again 😔
@@CJSanta I can deal with gobblegums but if we have out of game perk upgrading and loadouts again this next game is on a bad foot for me man zombies functions best as a rogue like survival mode
900th sub woooooooooooooo
Appreciate it 😊
Terra Maledicta is better than Der Anfang in every way
Man I wish vg zombies was awesome it had so much potential I mean its ww2 again the graphics look awesome the areas look awesome just the gameplay sucked
The green filter is ugly af tho ngl
Yeah. I don't get that 😅
But at this point I've just gotten used to it
Van-goat?????? Please never say that again
Literally nothing.
🤨 Or did it.
@@CJSanta Nope, it never had anything good, the fact that MW3Z is not good, doesn´t automatically make the previous game better. Vanguard zombies was disgusting on launch, and is still disgusting after 2 years, nothing to salvage from it.
@RuziNuk3 Well I explain and go into depth into the things that actually are worth playing. I even say what you said in this video. Did you watch it all the way through?
Your just flat out wrong. There is plenty of good with this mode. Same with MWZ. Just because you hate it doesnt mean it doesnt have merit @@RuziNuk3
@@typervader but it doesn't deserve any merit, is an objetivily piece of shit