The very very first encounter YEARS BEFORE Takeda was able to beat them using horse charging. Oda learned from his mistake and Oda was more well prepared this time. Takeda's son tried to do the same thing like his father did but failed hard.
Katsuyori had some idea, but he assumed that the rain that made the ground difficult for his cavalry would soak the Oda's fuses and render them useless. He didn't anticipate that the Oda would keep their fuses in water-tight storage the night before.
The parallels between this and some of the battles of the Italian Wars such as Cerignola and La Bicocca are striking. Mass arquebusiers in a strong defensive position will consistently trounce heavy infantry and cavalry.
Even in the history of Saudi arabia the founder king abdulaziz bin saud had fought a zealous religious group called the brotherhood was a mixture of tribal coalition they helped him ascend to the throne and secure many areas eventually there paths crossed and he fought them in a battle called al-spilla ironically they were massacred and blood were spelled even there leader was shot in a horse charge their weapons were outdated and they were relying on horses and camel charges to achieve victory while on the other hand the government troop were young in their structure and using machine guns and new model rifles and were holding a defensive position on that land
However the Japanese also have this in common with the Germans, in addition to the defeat in World War II, that they massacred each other for 1000 years, just like the Germans did! Unfortunately, both nations then decided to massacre other nations in the 20th century.
The thing I admire is not only did Nobunaga employ a superior technology, he had the presence of mind to train his troops to use it to its full potential. Genius.
I think that's why guns were so effective. In comparison to everything else, they were easy to use without much training. It kinda became the weapon of the peasant soldier
@@Haru-qh2qz Same goes for the crossbow before it. Training a military archer takes literally over a decade because they have to start as a child in order to develop the necessary bone and tendon structure for a warbow. The crossbow, however, only requires aiming practice to use.
2000 years ago army use cross bow like that volley firing. Any normal people will use such formation to fire a vertical flying shooting weapons to increase fire efficiency.
@@Haru-qh2qz When Chinese 50 years later encountered Manchurian army in the heavy winter forest. We have much powerful guns than Japanese as Chinese had much advanced and larger casting tech and craftsmen but as we entered the deep forest cannon were left behind. The Manchurian army push heavy bullet proof shield wagon to charge forward without cannon matchlock are useless at all then the Manchurian army break the gunmen lines and into a close combat and followed by strong horsemen charge.
While these charges are often depicted as being cavalry charges, the recent rains, the flooded rice paddies between the Takeda and coalition lines would have meant that horse charges were impossible. It would have been too boggy. The Takeda troops too were slowed by the soft muddy rice paddies, then by the small Rengo River, and then forced to cross more rice paddies before reaching the hastily built log fences. Hardly any of them got that far
Who knew cavalry charging straight into a solid wooden barrier defended by guns wouldn't have worked? It would have taken a psychic to determine that outcome for sure. I think they just got really unlucky.
This battle was so significant that it changed the face of warfare henceforth. Oda's tactic of having multiple lines of riflemen, rotating between volleys, was brilliant at the time.
It could be from the Chinese (crossbow tactics) or the Honganji rebels. The Dutch only used rank mode in the late 16th century. In the time of Nagashino (1575), the Dutch were easily defeated by Alva and Farnese and did not even have contact with Japan.
This thing is all over the place. And its a misconception that samurai shun guns. For 200+ year they fought at range using bows. When a portuguese ship wreck in tanegashima. They offer the local daimyo a gun to sell. After little demonstration he buy 2 and have artisans reverse engineered it and pretty soon. They make their own muskets.
Oda Nobunagas Line-Volley tactic has not only won him in the battle, but changed firearm warfare forever, with many countries using the tactic of trenches overlayed with vollery fire, It makes the perfect offense for cavarly and infantry while under the covers of a barrier.
Definitely in Japan, but allegedly the first use of volley fire was by the Ottoman janissaries at the Battle of Mohacs, after the Hungarian knights broke the first line of azabs.
@@pistolsniper6281this is why other nations never tried conquering japan they would get decimated. First they have to fight the vicious storms at sea then arrive in the shores of japan and encounter samurais with guns lol.
@@gregmasters8558 false, when the mongolians arrived to Japan, they decimated the Japanese forces, only retreated due to inability to resupply their forces at Japan, because of the typhoon as well
Probably more like your entire life. I think Takeda Shingen must have been in a saddle since age 10, if not younger. His first victory in battle was apparently at age 15.
Nobunaga was a very eccentric but a very open minded leader who was brilliant enough to employ early musket tactics, which was the beginning of early modern warfare in Japan. And by eccentric he had a fond taste for western art and culture(pretty much like Hideo Kojima before Hideo Kojima). And he freed an african slave to serve under as one of his right hand man.
@@BlazefireSaberJester is a stretch. He had a role in fighting for oda and even owned his own castle. While yes he was primarily around for display, he was a trained warrior and well respected by oda. Some accounts believe after his death he served Toyotomi Hideyoshi but its not confirmed
@@BlazefireSaber Initially yes, he bought Yasuke for the sole purpose of being just a piece of display. Until eventually he recognized Yasuke's strength and potential. It was said that Yasuke fought in the Honnoji Incident, and was captured and sent back to the Italians.
@@mrlonerstoner2211 when I first watched I recognized Hannibal and Scipio, but I didn't know much other than elephants died on mountain and Scipio copy Hannibal. Now I know way more and their rivalry friendship is so nice.
Yes, it was a slaughter. The Takeda cavalry never broke through. And by now, they’re obsolete because of these new weapons on the battlefield. The arquebusiers totally dominated the battlefield that day.
3:53 That nanban dou gusoku is absolutely beautiful, judging from the shape and decoration the cuirass might very vell actually be an import from Europe rather than a domestic reproduction. Kinda wish western historical movies nowadays had such stunning and historically accurate armor.
You have good taste! While as far as I know it is not identical to any known armor of Nobunaga's, it still absolutely fits him in style and very much is an armor he *could* have had. The arms and armor in this series and especially this Nagashino scene are all great.
Gunpowder firearms were taken in by the Japanese for the same reason they were by Europeans. It was easy to assemble a large group of people and train them in a relatively short amount of time (less than a month) to use the firearms. Sure they were prone to not work due to dampness and rain, but again you could easily have a large levy and unlike the melee or bow weapons that took much longer to gain proficiency this one was easy.
It didn't cross my mind that the traditional samurai-esque body armor and matchlock rifles existed in the same time period. Apparently samurai look a lot cooler with guns.
@@pcmld2267 I seriously doubt that given the number of armed conflicts that took place in Europe in the XVIth century. Where the powers where much more rich and had much more manpower than in Japan. And were also more developped in the pre-industrial sector.. What are your sources ?
2:13 imagine just waiting for the hordes to charge looking at a blank fog for hours and jus thearing those distant chants of war, sends chills down my spine and made me honsety scared
The Portuguese introduced Matchlocks to Japan, and also the basic tactics in using them. Oda Nobunaga then had his own Blacksmiths forge Barrels, and made his own Powder ( all the ingredients were available) and had the Portuguese train his men in Musketry. The Musketeers were simple Bushi ( soldiers) drawn from the Peasantry, with Samurai commanding them. And it was a "whites of their eyes" battle ( 30 to 50 paces, ideal for volley fire with smoothbore guns.) And the Wooden palisades prevented mounted troops from overrunning the Musketeers ( another Iberian tactic developed in the 1500s in the various wars the Spaniards were involved in...a shallow ditch or trench, a low palisade or Stone Wall. Doc AV
It's not really an "Iberian tactic". It was Hussites who pioneered this way of fighting when they started using wagon forts to station firearms infantry and smaller artillery pieces on the battlefield, to keep them being overrun by charges from cavalry. Others adopted the basic idea from them and modified it.
I live in Aichi Prefecture, where Nagashino is located. These fences have been recreated and still stands today. Two small museums near the battlefield collections of flintlock guns, armors, swords, and excavated bullets. Further the ruins of a castle a nearby hill, you can walk around Japanese style catle layout "Kuruwa". Unfotunately no buildings remain, but it's enough to give you a sense of the strength of the fortress on the high ground. Nagashino is still a great place for history fans.
What I liked about this is that Oda Nobunaga basically eliminated the main weakness of the early muskets by having his men form 3 lines with a defensive barrier that made stabbing slightly harder (1 firing line, 1 standby line which can be used in an emergency and 1 reload line). Although the entire rank would fire less than if everyone were firing per volley but by doing this they could fire 3 times the speed with more reliance on accuracy over the amount of rounds shot to inflict more damage.
If you go to the Alamo you can find a large granite stone that a Japanese man etched in Classical Chinese, it talks about how the battle of Nagashino Castle had similar events to the Alamo. Look it up
@@blacklegion2531i think he meant "kanji" Which is basicaly chinese characters that was used in japan. Or that japanese guy wrote the thing so that other Immigrants from china could understand
Alonso Cushing it was the Takeda clan. Takeda Shingen, the old daimyo of the clan, created the first Calvary maneuvers of Japan, so of course the Takeda relied on Calvary
Well at this battle shingen already dead and his not so brilliant son took his place... the oda use this, luck and fog element to destroy takeda once and for all
The base had only one poor fence. Therefore, Takeda's army thought that it was possible to break through easily based on past experience. Takeda's army is very confident and, in fact, Japan's strongest so far.
So much is spoken about the battle but not the real hero: the cameraman. His dedication to filming throughout history, having studied advanced physics, going on to eventually invent the time-machine, for this task alone, is probably the greatest single human achievement, ever. Thank you, cameraman.
Fact that Imperial Japanese in WW2 and Vietnamese People's Army during Vietnam War used basically the same tactics of camouflaging and ambushing, the Vietnamese took it to a whole new level by only engaging when there is confirmed that enemy fire supports don't reach fast enough, and usually retreat when American artilleries or bombers started firing; not "surrender in shame or die charging" like Japaneses.
This battle led to the destruction of the prestigious Takeda clan, who lasted about 500 years. If Katsuyori's father Shingen had lived a little longer, Nobunaga might have lost.
Takeda destruction would not have happened had Katsuyori listened to his top commander, many of the top commander like Baba Nobuhara, Yamagata Masakage, Naito Masatoya & more felt like attacking Ieyasu & Nobunaga full forces is more like suicide attack.
The quality of this battle and the logistics rivals any modern movie today. More over, this scene alone puts to shame complete industries of film makers and even James Cameron. This is a scene done by the book with accuracy. Rotating riflemen, riflemen with accuracy, protected riflemen with bunkers. Yes, Nobunaga troops redefined the current type of battlefield in simple terms.
Every sane person: "They have guns and are fortified, we shouldn`t simply launch a frontal attack Stubborn traditionalist: "We gonna ride to glooooo....... *HEADSHOT* ! "
Before this Takeda clan reign supreme against enemies even with guns until they fought this dude called Oda Nobunaga that simply put 3-5 row of men at formation.
@@apalahartisebuahnama7684 also to the reason the takeda lost in the first place was because of the former leader passing away and leaving his incompetent son in charge of the battle strategy.
the guns are usual at that time. its known that its slow on reloading...nobunaga introduce the volley fire, and its change everything. its the same in imjin war, the korean underestimated the guns, and they are fucked
Honda Tadakatsu has antlers on his helmet while Date Masamune has a crescent moon on his helmet (the one which would be an inspiration for the helmet of Darth Vader). Takeda Shingen has a mane of hair and Kagetora (Uesugi Kesnhin) has a veil or cowl
Japan had a half of the guns owned by all the European countries in this century. One reason it became so popular, we had technology to make steals for Katana(sword). Nobunaga used 3,000 guns into 3 lines(1000 each), and lines changes after shots. He also set the wooden wall in the narrow path, and Takeda cavalry was trapped. Takedo which is the known as the strongest clan lost too many front line commanders. Nobunaga also the first human being who separated politics from religion before Europeans.
In the period when guns were transmitted from Europe, the guns did not spread in Japan because of the time when the reload took time and it was not possible to use it on the rainy day. But Oda Nobunaga the reload problem in ways of changing people every time he shot a gun.
The key element of this battle is illustrated in this scene: the revolving volley of muskets. Which where a line of infantry with muskets in front fire when given the command to fire in volley when in range. Immediately then, another line of infantry with muskets moves in position to take the place of the previous line, with their muskets ready to fire. Meanwhile that first line takes the second line’s back position to reload. And this process repeats. This tactic allows for a continuous volley of fire to a mass offensive attack to cut down the force to devastating effect. Marking it as an important battle in history and in the use of early firearms.
@@geordiejones5618 The Chinese did since the Han dynasty but not with muskets. They used crossbows instead. The Han dynasty used it extensively during their campaigns under Emperor Wu so much so that the crossbow became standard issue weaponry. Other dynasties after that, not so much.
@@geordiejones5618 It would have been a fairly standard tactic with relatively slow loading weapons such as crossbows and muskets (of whatever type). The Han Dynasty in China predates all of those others, so I'll agree with joshua kusuma that they were likely the first. There are easy to find European drill manuals from the 16th and 17th centuries describing the use of rotating ranks of musketeers. Greek and Roman warfare placed much more emphasis on close quarters fighting, and they tended to use quick moving light infantry skirmishers with javelins, slings etc rather than blocks of troops armed with bows. Placing missile troops behind a barrier likewise. During the Third Crusade in 1191, Richard the Lionheart arrayed his infantry (mixed spearmen and crossbowmen) behind a barrier to fend off Saladin's cavalry. His own mounted forces were placed behind and charged out at the climax to drive the saracens from the field. Fighting from behind portable barriers was a standard tactic of many Italian crossbowmen. Some of these were at Crécy, but due to the impatience of the French nobles they weren't allowed to retrieve and use them when ordered forward against the English line, so were routed by the faster firing longbows. The English themselves used to carry pointed stakes which they would set in front of their position to defend against cavalry.
Как удивительно-кавалерия повторяет стиль польских крылатых гусар,заграждения очень похоже на русский гуляй город,прием смены стрелковой цепи прекрасно применяли казаки Запорожской Сечи,а само сражение будто списано с битвы при Молодях в 1572 году. Между этими событиями 10000 километров и три моря,но технология диктует одинаковые приемы по всем континентам.Удивительно!!!
Portuguese merchants: "Greetings Lord Nobunaga. We've received your inquiry about marchlock guns. How many would you like to purchase?" Oda Nobunaga: "All of them"
@@EukalyptusBonBon Yes, in this period guns become extremely popular in Japan and they did begin manufacturing their own variations after they'd bought enough European made guns and reverse engineered how they were designed and worked
Impressive use of smokeless powder in this era. All kidding aside, definitely an example of technology outpacing tactics. The attackers stood no chance.
This battle scene is realistic because it shows lots of horses being shot and killed. It is an old Hollywood trope that only the rider got hit in battle and not the thing he is riding on which is 4 times bigger. In fact, Infantrymen were trained to aim for the horse and not the rider because it is far easier to hit and knocking a rider off his horse during his charge either physically incapacitates him or renders him useless on the field. As for the Commander of the attacking army in the Battle of Nagashino, the movie omits the fact it was raining heavily and that is what led to his decision to charge. He thought the rain would render the muskets useless, which was not an irrational assumption to make in 1575 when firearms were rudimentary and required gun powder to be placed in a flintlock firing pan which was exposed to the elements.
It may surprise you, but this cinematic performance was not as realistic as you think. The reality is that the horse is a large, tough animal that could only be stopped at a gallop by a bullet that struck the heart or the brain. Otherwise, a horse will continue to run a further, on some distance. There are reports that even a horse with one leg broken by a cannonball continued to run forward. In that era (XVI-XVIIc), shooters were not trained to aiming. Only custom-made or hunting weapons had enough quality to use them precisely. Arquebusiers or musketeers simply sent a cloud of lead at the enemy, hoping the missile would hit somebody.
@Alvi Syahri That's what training is for. In Poland of XVI-XVIIc, horses intended for military service were tamed with the roar of firearms and with gunpowder smoke in everyday activities. In the battle were almost insensitive to firearms effect. On the other hand, Poles took advantage of the fact that the nomadic Tartar horses were not familiar with the effect of firearms and therefore used pistols intensively during battles with Tatars.
@@cetus4449 What you said about the 'cloud of lead' held true even into the 1800s. Rifling helped with accuracy making the 'cloud' unnecessary but the tactic still held on in European wars.
I think it's only early day Hollywood that has only the rider got hit and not their horse. Either they don't want to hurt the horses, haven't yet making the technique to overcoming that issue
You are correct about it raining at the battle there are 3 things I do want to point out alot don't know. 1) These are Japanese Arquebus not Flintlocks the flintlock didn't exist for another 30 years These were matchlock guns. 2) Nobunaga knew the guns wouldn't work in the rain so his Arquebusiers constructed Lacquer over the actual Matchlock mechanism itself to weatherproof the system so to speak and notice how they reloaded their Arquebus from an angle instead of putting the gun on its buttstock and reloading it the traditional way. 3) Nobunaga knew the terrain favored him and he knew Takedas cavalry would have to slow down their charge to go up a hill towards the camp so he funneled the cavalry into a kill zone where the Arquebus could rain hell on them and he had multiple volleys ay once so after the 3rd bolley fired the 1st Rank was ready to fire again. This battle cost Takeda 8/24 of his best and most experienced generals and 12,000 out of 15,000 men he ended up committing seppuku(ritual suicide) shortly afterwards
To be fair, the beginning was nerve wrecking as hell. Imagine waiting there, in the mist, and those hell-spawn children start screeching: "yaaaaaaaaaaaah!" And then out of nowhere, a massive cavalry charge comes storming right at you.
Psychological warfare at its finest. Before this battle, most Japanese warriors already knew that when they heard those witches, death was about to ride down on them. It would be hard to stand your ground under those circumstances. If there are reinactors of this cavalry today, I wouldn't want to be standing across a fog shrouded field without a weapon knowing what was coming, even if they weren't trying to kill anyone.
Muskets were introduced to Japan by two Portuguese merchants who were on Ming`s ship in 1543. A warlord of Tanegashima where two Portuguese merchants arrived purchased two muskets, and ordered local blacksmiths to copy them. Japanese blacksmiths mastered a manufacturing technique quickly, and could produce muskets which were superior to European originals. Within a few decades, huge numbers of muskets which were superior both in quality and quantity were used in battlefields. However, after Japan was unified by Tokugawa Ieyasu, Japanese people had lost their enthusiasm to produce muskets, and its manufacturing technique was extinct.
Yes it was very dumb. But they had no choice. Katsuyori moved the vast majority of his army to mirror the Oda-Tokugawa army away from Nagashino. At the same time, a combined Oda-Tokugawa flanking force snuck by them and relieved the castle. The Takeda were sandwiched between the now reinforced castle and a huge army. The day before, it had rained so Katsuyori thought firearms would be useless. In addition, the majority of the Oda-Tokugawa force were conscripts with low moral and fighting ability. So he took a gamble that his elite cavalry could punch through. He was wrong. F. Funny enough, Uesugi Kenshin had a similar situation in the Tedori river in Kaga province. The Oda outnumbered him but only really had conscripts. It too had rained the day before. He tricked the Oda into charging across the river by feigning retreat. Kenshin then ordered the previously dammed river to be flooded, separating the attacking Oda vanguard from the rest. The Uesugi then slaughtered the vanguard in close quarters with elite samurai.
@@nicholasgutierrez9940 The reason wjy they blindly charge in the front is because they think that overwhelming attack can easily defeat the enemy in an instant, but it didn't work as it was plans thanks to nobunaga's tactical superiority in which of using the tanegashima rifles as an alternative counter against a full blown. With no information about the weapons that this soldiers used, their soldiers were easily destroyed due to their blind and flawed strategy.
Most people dont understand guns were new at those times, and the Takeda was a proud mountain clan living behind the times... Cavalry was their ultimate weapon :P They knew guns were slow to reload so they bet on meat shields. The first row would sacrifice themselves and give a window for the guys behind, it wasnt just horses... Nobunaga arranged a huge number of muskets in 3 groups that would deny any sort of interval or window... So death shield fell after death shield.
Finally someone with some education, yes guns had been in Japan since the year 1270 from the Chinese who invented them. But these newer matchlock guns were only in Japan for 3 decades prior to this battle. The Japanese bought 2 off a Chinese Junk Ship off Portuguese traders, they took them apart and then started making new gun designs with the use of the matchlock mechanism. Older Japanese guns became redundant, by this time in Japan in the movies at least 100,000 Tanegashima guns existed. Nobunaga used them and so did a few other Daimyo. Some other Daimyo didn't think they would be that effective as they were used to the older guns not being that effective and used to being able to beat firearm squads with tactics like they used to. But the new matchlock mechanism did make the guns a lot better and shifted the battles even further into the firearm squad's side.
Singen Takeda could adapt to that situation and retreated if he still alive on that battlefield, poor takeda, your kids strategy and tactics is not as bright as their father.
@@zondor8123 Shingen didn't expect himself to die at this point and he was taking his time to train his son. Shingen believes in old fashioned gradual take your time education to produce well rounded leaders and soldiers. He believed that a well rounded commander and a good lord of men needs to be a good soldier and learn the value of loyalty as a follower first so he focused his son to be trained as a front line soldier at this point and it back fired because of his unexpected death. The new leader of Takeda clan has little understanding of political shrewdness or military generalship. Long story short. This is what happens if you make front line soldier command an army with some basic officer school training: all of his "tactics" will likely be variants of brute force direct assault and his personal honor will never allow him to give order to retreat until it's too late.
From inside fortifications, the gun has no equal among weapons. It is the supreme weapon on the field before the ranks clash, but once swords are crossed the gun becomes useless
The face of the general at the end is the epitome of the expression "What have I done?" It's like he can't get to fully believe his eyes: an entire army massacred and they didn't even have to grab their swords. He got to experience first-hand a power far, FAR beyond what they could have ever imagined. He's terrified, not of the power these "Guns" have... But of what it'll mean to the future of the entire humanity.
If he is a superbly trained warrior and has battlefield experience then he knows that future generals will adapt and fight accordingly. There will be those that do not of course... but the battlefield is where leaders are brutally separated by victory and defeat. It may be too late for him, but if he leads another army he'll be FAR more prepared. Too often though their civilian masters would punish/execute them for failure rather than glean the hard lessons they experienced and apply them. Hopefully he wouldn't forced with seppeku and his master will still use him.
for foreigners In Japanese “UCHIJINI” means “Died in action” However, modern Japanese does not use this word, they use “SENSHI” in stead. From Japan ;)
@@creist Japanese people use not only pure Japanese but also "kanji" of Chinese origin. The words "fighter" and "death in battle" are pronounced the same, "senshi," but have completely different meanings because of the different kanji applied to each.
When I clicked on the video titled "Battle of Nagashino" I sure didn't expect multiple minutes of a bunch of drummers going "nyehhhh" like a toad being squeezed lol
This wouldnt have worked in most battles fought in Europe at the time, because it's geographically more flat. But Japan is essentially one big mountain sticking out the ocean, with almost every historical battleground being a mountain pass or fought in between rice fields etc.... which they couldnt destroy, as those same rice fields were often the reason for the battle in the first place, a lords worth was determined by how much rice his lands produced. More rice > More power, makes little sense to march thousands of troops over what essentially makes up the spoils of your campaign. Point is, there was no flanking, so their strategies emphasized fighting battles in cramped passes & areas. And so it was all about troop dispositions, ruses, & timing. Have double-agents make it seem like you're attacking at one pass, make a diversion at that one pass making it seem like the bulk of your army is there, wait for the enemy to muster his troops and converge them on that area. Then boff, have the bulk of your army hit the other pass, get into the flatlands of your enemy and take up defensive positions, your enemy has no choice but to attack and you can annihilate him with walls of spears & gunfire. That went both ways though, you know your lands best, sometimes the enemy might feign surprise, but actually face you just at the neck of the pass. Or the enemy might attack through the most obvious of places, but at the end of a season, catching you by surprise, your Samurai are tending their rice fields, solution: Sum up the plebs, your conscripts, and arm them with guns, making a stand long enough for the bulk of your forces to deploy, but sometimes the conscripts were cut down by martially superior Samurai before they could get into position. Cavalry was still the most effective, they would make mincemeat out of conscripts provided they could flank. The tactics of the day were all about flanking or making sure you couldnt be flanked. And so it was all a big chess-game really, the same battle could play out a hundred different ways depending on variations of dozens of different factors. Point is, that's why the gun became excessively popular in Japan, Japan was basically built for it. And as for this battle: Outmaneuvered, where else were the Takeda attackers gonna go except head-on? Rice field or marshes to the left, mountain to the right... They got their intel wrong and never should have attacked, and besides the Oda's breathing in a lot of gunsmoke, the retards pulling the shots over in camp Takeda smoked something much more impairing. Funny fact is though, Japan still has all these "Tanegashima's" (guns) in storage, not replica's, and they are brought out for re-enactments all the time. What that means is when you see a re-enactment of a battle/movie of a battle in Japan, they're using the same exact guns that were used in that battle :D
At this point in time, pikemen formations in Europe were on the rise with arquebusiers in the middle. Yeah knights can't be funneled in like this in Europe, but they can't break pike formations either and were just gunned down.
@@andymetternich3428 shingen takeda had a personal battle standard called "furinkazan" which is 4 phrase taken from sun tzu's art of war. Which is "Be as quite as a forest, move swift as the wind". "Attack like fire, defend like a mountain".
He spent the entire waiting period before the battle pleading with Katsuyori to retreat and not fight here as he and the other Veteran commanders knew this was suicide
The older films were not only better but also manage st stay authentic and accurate to events represented as to stay respectful to those who went through similar
Historically. Cannons were not popular to use by the japanese. They are expensive. Quite cumbersome to transport. Not at all accurate. They are quite a tricky weaponry to use.
Takeda Katsuyori (probably): “Hey, kid, wanna make a few bucks?” Some Kid: “I’m listening.” Takeda Katsuyori (again, probably): “Go out into the line of enemy fire and shout and bang drums.” Some Kid: “Ok.”
This footage from 1575 is still clearer than bank security cams.
Ouch
@@fbi.4372 wheres 438?
@@vorox7658 he *died*
@@popperroux damn
Yup
"A weapon that kills without honor, without skill, but even so, it gives power and victory and Victory wipes away dishonor."
Otomo?
Modern problems require modern solutions
THAT hypocrisy ;-)
@@Simone.v more like pragmatism.
DEUS VULT, OTOMO NUMBA 1
The Takeda had no idea what they were riding into.
"If one musket fires while another reloads, then continuous fire can be achieved."
The very very first encounter YEARS BEFORE Takeda was able to beat them using horse charging. Oda learned from his mistake and Oda was more well prepared this time. Takeda's son tried to do the same thing like his father did but failed hard.
@@SCH292 It was Tokugawa Ieyasu who was beaten by Takeda in Mikatagahara, with most of his troops also being his own. Oda Nobunaga was not present.
@@revbladez5773 Oda did send some troops to aid his buddy in that battle.
@@SCH292 Some yes but majority were Tokugawa and he did not go himself.
Katsuyori had some idea, but he assumed that the rain that made the ground difficult for his cavalry would soak the Oda's fuses and render them useless. He didn't anticipate that the Oda would keep their fuses in water-tight storage the night before.
The parallels between this and some of the battles of the Italian Wars such as Cerignola and La Bicocca are striking. Mass arquebusiers in a strong defensive position will consistently trounce heavy infantry and cavalry.
Even in the history of Saudi arabia the founder king abdulaziz bin saud had fought a zealous religious group called the brotherhood was a mixture of tribal coalition they helped him ascend to the throne and secure many areas eventually there paths crossed and he fought them in a battle called al-spilla ironically they were massacred and blood were spelled even there leader was shot in a horse charge their weapons were outdated and they were relying on horses and camel charges to achieve victory while on the other hand the government troop were young in their structure and using machine guns and new model rifles and were holding a defensive position on that land
@@Ironmike2233 interesting. Reminds of the battle of Omdurman in 1898.
The history of all Japan is very interesting....
However the Japanese also have this in common with the Germans, in addition to the defeat in World War II, that they massacred each other for 1000 years, just like the Germans did! Unfortunately, both nations then decided to massacre other nations in the 20th century.
@@Ironmike2233that’s awesome and I didn’t know about it. Guns go boom
No wonder the Japanese produce the best cameras in the world, their cameras from 1575 had better image quality that some of today's cameras.
Hard Case here were no cameras in 1575
LOL xD
Bighead Biggerhead did you really just clarify that?
@@bigheadfromroblox9385 S A R C A S M
@@bigheadfromroblox9385 R/Woooooooosh
The thing I admire is not only did Nobunaga employ a superior technology, he had the presence of mind to train his troops to use it to its full potential. Genius.
I think that's why guns were so effective. In comparison to everything else, they were easy to use without much training. It kinda became the weapon of the peasant soldier
@@Haru-qh2qz Same goes for the crossbow before it. Training a military archer takes literally over a decade because they have to start as a child in order to develop the necessary bone and tendon structure for a warbow. The crossbow, however, only requires aiming practice to use.
Also like bruh all the villages are literally militiamen that can go to war in any second
2000 years ago army use cross bow like that volley firing. Any normal people will use such formation to fire a vertical flying shooting weapons to increase fire efficiency.
@@Haru-qh2qz When Chinese 50 years later encountered Manchurian army in the heavy winter forest. We have much powerful guns than Japanese as Chinese had much advanced and larger casting tech and craftsmen but as we entered the deep forest cannon were left behind. The Manchurian army push heavy bullet proof shield wagon to charge forward without cannon matchlock are useless at all then the Manchurian army break the gunmen lines and into a close combat and followed by strong horsemen charge.
数ある大河ドラマの名場面の中でも間違いなく五指に入るであろう名場面。
あの戦場の開戦前の緊迫感が御諏訪太鼓の演出とともに400百年の時を超えて伝わってくる。
While these charges are often depicted as being cavalry charges, the recent rains, the flooded rice paddies between the Takeda and coalition lines would have meant that horse charges were impossible. It would have been too boggy. The Takeda troops too were slowed by the soft muddy rice paddies, then by the small Rengo River, and then forced to cross more rice paddies before reaching the hastily built log fences. Hardly any of them got that far
One word: cinema
The Japanese would also not readily have access to the video equipment necessary to record this in the 1500s
If I member correctly by mid day the ground dried up allowing for a major push with calvary, but ultimately failed
Who knew cavalry charging straight into a solid wooden barrier defended by guns wouldn't have worked? It would have taken a psychic to determine that outcome for sure. I think they just got really unlucky.
当時の火縄銃では三段撃ちは無理と‥
NHKが数年前に゙検証結果を出しています‥
鉄砲の他‥ 弓矢も使われていたそうです‥
This battle was so significant that it changed the face of warfare henceforth.
Oda's tactic of having multiple lines of riflemen, rotating between volleys, was brilliant at the time.
Learned well from them Dutchmen
It could be from the Chinese (crossbow tactics) or the Honganji rebels. The Dutch only used rank mode in the late 16th century.
In the time of Nagashino (1575), the Dutch were easily defeated by Alva and Farnese and did not even have contact with Japan.
It only works against melee tho.
@@mantchova how do you think line battles worked?
@@XxHiiaMaFrOGxX just like that
"Using guns is dishonorable!"
Oda Nobunaga seeing the Portuguese arquebuses: That...I want that
This thing is all over the place. And its a misconception that samurai shun guns. For 200+ year they fought at range using bows. When a portuguese ship wreck in tanegashima. They offer the local daimyo a gun to sell. After little demonstration he buy 2 and have artisans reverse engineered it and pretty soon. They make their own muskets.
Yep. Also the japanese have really improved firearm tactics, especially Oda of course.
"Guns are dishonorable!"
Said no samurai ever.
HE SAY... HE SAY... GUNS ARE GUNS ARE DISHONA- GUNS ARE DISHONA- * DIES OF LAUGHTER *
@@dwarvenmoray said the "samurai", aka: fucking weebs
Props to the cameraman for going back in time 500 years to witness this historical battle
the camera in 1500s is a banger of a quality
Oda Nobunagas Line-Volley tactic has not only won him in the battle, but changed firearm warfare forever, with many countries using the tactic of trenches overlayed with vollery fire, It makes the perfect offense for cavarly and infantry while under the covers of a barrier.
Definitely in Japan, but allegedly the first use of volley fire was by the Ottoman janissaries at the Battle of Mohacs, after the Hungarian knights broke the first line of azabs.
Bro other nations developed this themselves he did not change it stop lying
@@pistolsniper6281 Were talking about in japan
@@pistolsniper6281this is why other nations never tried conquering japan they would get decimated. First they have to fight the vicious storms at sea then arrive in the shores of japan and encounter samurais with guns lol.
@@gregmasters8558 false, when the mongolians arrived to Japan, they decimated the Japanese forces, only retreated due to inability to resupply their forces at Japan, because of the typhoon as well
Imagine trained your half of your life as the finest cavalry in japan only to get kill by a gun on your first battle
😬😬 Just like attending 4 years college with degree and not getting a job for 2 years
Vicky Santoso painful
@@wijayapanjim9038 pertama kali di Internet ya mas?
@@regiltube7932
FUCK, that's my life. 😂😫
Probably more like your entire life. I think Takeda Shingen must have been in a saddle since age 10, if not younger. His first victory in battle was apparently at age 15.
Not a single phone in sight, just people living the moment!
Ok boomer
@@user-cs8xs1bl1q ur mom is fat
Fb
Selo Akkoç shouldn’t you be on UA-cam kids
You might say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one....
Nobunaga was a very eccentric but a very open minded leader who was brilliant enough to employ early musket tactics, which was the beginning of early modern warfare in Japan. And by eccentric he had a fond taste for western art and culture(pretty much like Hideo Kojima before Hideo Kojima). And he freed an african slave to serve under as one of his right hand man.
Yamamoto if i am not mistaken
Yasuke
not sure about the last one, he was nothing more than a court "jester" of sorts, and was immediately removed from the court once Oda died
@@BlazefireSaberJester is a stretch. He had a role in fighting for oda and even owned his own castle. While yes he was primarily around for display, he was a trained warrior and well respected by oda. Some accounts believe after his death he served Toyotomi Hideyoshi but its not confirmed
@@BlazefireSaber Initially yes, he bought Yasuke for the sole purpose of being just a piece of display. Until eventually he recognized Yasuke's strength and potential. It was said that Yasuke fought in the Honnoji Incident, and was captured and sent back to the Italians.
5:44 is what makes this scene for me: you hear the odd arquebus fire and the crackling/popping of more guns from further down the line.
Hollywood and anime samurai: we don't use guns
Actual Samurai: big stick go boom
Watch drifters its a cool anime that has samurai in it and they use guns
The samurai shot each other all the time in actual history
@@ethanmcfarland8240 that's what i just said America
badfoody
Sorry if that was rude
@@mrlonerstoner2211 when I first watched I recognized Hannibal and Scipio, but I didn't know much other than elephants died on mountain and Scipio copy Hannibal. Now I know way more and their rivalry friendship is so nice.
The Takeda clan lost 12,000 of their 15,000 men that day. That wasn’t a battle, that was slaughter.
And the great Takeda clan never recovered from this ever again
@@johnnymoreno5065 after that, katsuyori takeda and his retainers commit sepuko.
@@johnnymoreno5065 this battle basicly the end of Takeda's role in Sengoku Jidai
If your enemy is stronger than you, retrate and aggravate him.
If evenly matched fight but only on your terms.
Yes, it was a slaughter. The Takeda cavalry never broke through. And by now, they’re obsolete because of these new weapons on the battlefield. The arquebusiers totally dominated the battlefield that day.
I absolutely love the soundtrack. So unsettling. So foreboding. It truly echoes Ennio Morricone’s work in the westerns.
3:53 That nanban dou gusoku is absolutely beautiful, judging from the shape and decoration the cuirass might very vell actually be an import from Europe rather than a domestic reproduction. Kinda wish western historical movies nowadays had such stunning and historically accurate armor.
You have good taste! While as far as I know it is not identical to any known armor of Nobunaga's, it still absolutely fits him in style and very much is an armor he *could* have had. The arms and armor in this series and especially this Nagashino scene are all great.
Nobunaga really loved western stuff so it's probably not a surprise he had lots of stuff from merchants
Looks like the Holy Roman Empires coat of arms on the breastplate. The Imperial Eagle
Samurai: "YOU CAN'T JUST KILL A WARRIOR WHO TRAINED HIS ENTIRE LIFE TO BE ONE WITH HIS SWORD!"
Farmer: "haha blackpowder go boom"
Your comment is very important. Guns upset the power balance.
@@euminkong ofc
Gunpowder firearms were taken in by the Japanese for the same reason they were by Europeans. It was easy to assemble a large group of people and train them in a relatively short amount of time (less than a month) to use the firearms. Sure they were prone to not work due to dampness and rain, but again you could easily have a large levy and unlike the melee or bow weapons that took much longer to gain proficiency this one was easy.
Firearms kill dishonorably but victory, removes the shame of dishonor!
"Doom Eternal"
It didn't cross my mind that the traditional samurai-esque body armor and matchlock rifles existed in the same time period. Apparently samurai look a lot cooler with guns.
Facts
@Jemuel Mongado
Japan was the leading producer of firearms in the world in this era for many, *many* years.
@@pcmld2267 That's a really cool fact, contrasting Japan's laws and views on guns nowadays.
@@pcmld2267 lol wheres your proof? I only know they produce good quality airsoft guns
@@pcmld2267 I seriously doubt that given the number of armed conflicts that took place in Europe in the XVIth century. Where the powers where much more rich and had much more manpower than in Japan. And were also more developped in the pre-industrial sector.. What are your sources ?
2:13 imagine just waiting for the hordes to charge looking at a blank fog for hours and jus thearing those distant chants of war, sends chills down my spine and made me honsety scared
戦国期最強の武田騎馬軍を相手する側の緊張と恐怖の心理を間を使うことによって見事に演出。これは見応えありですね
The Portuguese introduced Matchlocks to Japan, and also the basic tactics in using them.
Oda Nobunaga then had his own Blacksmiths forge Barrels, and made his own Powder ( all the ingredients were available) and had the Portuguese train his men in Musketry. The Musketeers were simple Bushi ( soldiers) drawn from the Peasantry, with Samurai commanding them.
And it was a "whites of their eyes" battle
( 30 to 50 paces, ideal for volley fire with smoothbore guns.)
And the Wooden palisades prevented mounted troops from overrunning the
Musketeers ( another Iberian tactic developed in the 1500s in the various wars the Spaniards were involved in...a shallow ditch or trench, a low palisade or Stone Wall.
Doc AV
It's not really an "Iberian tactic". It was Hussites who pioneered this way of fighting when they started using wagon forts to station firearms infantry and smaller artillery pieces on the battlefield, to keep them being overrun by charges from cavalry.
Others adopted the basic idea from them and modified it.
And the Portuguese had overran Malacca earlier on.
SIUUUUUUU
@@temasek65 Malacca fall because of treachery, had those Javanese mercenary doesnt open the main gate its possible that Albuquerque wont succeed.
Woah really
I live in Aichi Prefecture, where Nagashino is located.
These fences have been recreated and still stands today.
Two small museums near the battlefield collections of flintlock guns, armors, swords, and excavated bullets.
Further the ruins of a castle a nearby hill, you can walk around Japanese style catle layout "Kuruwa".
Unfotunately no buildings remain, but it's enough to give you a sense of the strength of the fortress on the high ground.
Nagashino is still a great place for history fans.
I’d love to visit those museums one day. They sound interesting!
There's some pretty tremendous sense of gravity and history living by places like this. Those wooden palisades tell a story.
That's now on my bucket list off places to visit.
Flintlocks? I’m pretty sure they’re matchlocks.
Hi. Do you know why were the fences assaulted directly instead of being circumvented with the enemy's cavalry?
That music they were playing was great for the suspense hearing it get closer and closer.
What I liked about this is that Oda Nobunaga basically eliminated the main weakness of the early muskets by having his men form 3 lines with a defensive barrier that made stabbing slightly harder (1 firing line, 1 standby line which can be used in an emergency and 1 reload line). Although the entire rank would fire less than if everyone were firing per volley but by doing this they could fire 3 times the speed with more reliance on accuracy over the amount of rounds shot to inflict more damage.
Imagine the 12 year olds practicing their drumming and chanting for weeks just to see your side losing in like 5 minutes.
Kid drummer: they're dead, oh great leader
Oh great leader: keep beating that drum!
Those are actually priestess drummers that the Takeda used in battle.
@@Ayutla-ui4cf some good that did him, should have just used them as cannon fodder
Did the tweens die?! Specifically by being shot in the head.
they sound like 12. which isnt necessarily a problem *winky wink*
@@Ayutla-ui4cf
The invention of the Three Line Formation. Nobunaga was a great strategist.
gonna call that one a tactic
What’s the difference?
@@AlexanderTheBloodraven hmmm... in a nutshell, tactics is how to fight while strategy is choosing which fight
Nobunaga didn’t invent that tactic, it is was an invention by the Early Ming Dynasty.
@sp10sn; Oh ok
If you go to the Alamo you can find a large granite stone that a Japanese man etched in Classical Chinese, it talks about how the battle of Nagashino Castle had similar events to the Alamo. Look it up
What does it have to do with it?
Chinese
Chinese?
@@blacklegion2531i think he meant "kanji" Which is basicaly chinese characters that was used in japan. Or that japanese guy wrote the thing so that other Immigrants from china could understand
海外で有名になってるのすげぇ
ゲームやアニメの影響も大きいでしょうね。
Whose brilliant idea was it to send cavalry against a fortified position.
Alonso Cushing it was the Takeda clan. Takeda Shingen, the old daimyo of the clan, created the first Calvary maneuvers of Japan, so of course the Takeda relied on Calvary
@@Adge1738 Didn't work out very well did it?
Alonso Cushing no sir it did not
Well at this battle shingen already dead and his not so brilliant son took his place... the oda use this, luck and fog element to destroy takeda once and for all
The base had only one poor fence. Therefore, Takeda's army thought that it was possible to break through easily based on past experience. Takeda's army is very confident and, in fact, Japan's strongest so far.
So much is spoken about the battle but not the real hero: the cameraman. His dedication to filming throughout history, having studied advanced physics, going on to eventually invent the time-machine, for this task alone, is probably the greatest single human achievement, ever.
Thank you, cameraman.
Cameraman’s best work has to be Gladiator or apocalypto
He was the best.
@@jaraza323 同感ですね
fool
@@spartasparta1083 it's a joke.
1854年のバラクラヴァの戦いより300年前に信長が鉄砲の集中運用に成功させてるのが凄いわ
これは、何の作品でしょうか？
解りますか？
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I loved this movie before I knew it was actually a true game changer.
Everybody gangsta till the trees start shooting.
Sreesanth Unnithan no u
Sreesanth Unnithan
The fences
An American at some point
Fact that Imperial Japanese in WW2 and Vietnamese People's Army during Vietnam War used basically the same tactics of camouflaging and ambushing, the Vietnamese took it to a whole new level by only engaging when there is confirmed that enemy fire supports don't reach fast enough, and usually retreat when American artilleries or bombers started firing; not "surrender in shame or die charging" like Japaneses.
Huu Duy Vu: Who do you think taught the Vietnamese how to use jungle guerrilla tactics?
This battle led to the destruction of the prestigious Takeda clan, who lasted about 500 years. If Katsuyori's father Shingen had lived a little longer, Nobunaga might have lost.
Isn’t the Takeda clan still about, I think they run or used to run a pharmaceutical company
@@johnbean4615 nah its their Vassal like Sanada clan i think. Takeda is common name.
Tires probably
Takeda destruction would not have happened had Katsuyori listened to his top commander, many of the top commander like Baba Nobuhara, Yamagata Masakage, Naito Masatoya & more felt like attacking Ieyasu & Nobunaga full forces is more like suicide attack.
@@protocetus499 The Takeda clan's main line is still in tact. It's the clan's power that waned which doesn't mean they were wiped.
The quality of this battle and the logistics rivals any modern movie today. More over, this scene alone puts to shame complete industries of film makers and even James Cameron.
This is a scene done by the book with accuracy. Rotating riflemen, riflemen with accuracy, protected riflemen with bunkers. Yes, Nobunaga troops redefined the current type of battlefield in simple terms.
諏訪太鼓が緊張感を高めてるのよね。
織田方にも、視聴者にも。
Every sane person: "They have guns and are fortified, we shouldn`t simply launch a frontal attack
Stubborn traditionalist: "We gonna ride to glooooo....... *HEADSHOT* ! "
Before this Takeda clan reign supreme against enemies even with guns until they fought this dude called Oda Nobunaga that simply put 3-5 row of men at formation.
guns to japan 1543. and then make japan' s origimal model next year.
ten years later, samurai use 300,000 guns first in the world.
@@apalahartisebuahnama7684 also to the reason the takeda lost in the first place was because of the former leader passing away and leaving his incompetent son in charge of the battle strategy.
Lord shimura in a nutshell
the guns are usual at that time. its known that its slow on reloading...nobunaga introduce the volley fire, and its change everything. its the same in imjin war, the korean underestimated the guns, and they are fucked
I immediately recognized the nobunaga clan symbol and that felt good. Thanks nioh.
ラストサムライやスターウォーズEP1にも登場した霧から出てくる騎兵のモデルはこれ
i like how each samurai commander has a different and unique helmet, each with their own cool emblem being displayed on the forehead
And yet I still couldn't tell them apart...
Honda Tadakatsu has antlers on his helmet while Date Masamune has a crescent moon on his helmet (the one which would be an inspiration for the helmet of Darth Vader). Takeda Shingen has a mane of hair and Kagetora (Uesugi Kesnhin) has a veil or cowl
@@sailorkek8672 u need a doctor then lmao
I just look at their mustaches most of the time
@@sailorkek8672
It's the eyes, don't feel bad bro
Japan had a half of the guns owned by all the European countries in this century. One reason it became so popular, we had technology to make steals for Katana(sword). Nobunaga used 3,000 guns into 3 lines(1000 each), and lines changes after shots. He also set the wooden wall in the narrow path, and Takeda cavalry was trapped. Takedo which is the known as the strongest clan lost too many front line commanders. Nobunaga also the first human being who separated politics from religion before Europeans.
The only real influence Japan had from Europe was the Netherlands. Which does not surprise
@@mcj2219 what do you mean? Didn’t Germany influence them too?
@@Aly_._ not until later when Japan modernized its government under the Meiji restoration (they took inspiration from Germany whilst doing so)
Wym bro? There's a lot of people from different religion served under different allegiance, just look at the ottomans
根拠の無いデタラメの説。更に銃そのものを作る技術は言うほど高度でもなかった。当時銃を自国生産していた国を知れば恥ずかしくて寝込むんちゃう？
"Even though we had a triple stockade, he must needs come charging upon us. It's a pity that he was a fool..."- Tokugawa Ieyasu on Shingen.
Love this keep up the good work bro dayum this be god $%!t
Yeah, Oda Nobunaga's army is actually the shoGUNS.
Did they use pump SHOGUNS or double-barrelled SHOGUNS??
In the period when guns were transmitted from Europe, the guns did not spread in Japan because of the time when the reload took time and it was not possible to use it on the rainy day. But Oda Nobunaga
the reload problem in ways of changing people every time he shot a gun.
@@chicoragub5031 r/wooosh also they are arquebuses not muskets
I think I have seen to much Age of Samurai Battle for Japan
笑える
The key element of this battle is illustrated in this scene: the revolving volley of muskets. Which where a line of infantry with muskets in front fire when given the command to fire in volley when in range. Immediately then, another line of infantry with muskets moves in position to take the place of the previous line, with their muskets ready to fire. Meanwhile that first line takes the second line’s back position to reload. And this process repeats. This tactic allows for a continuous volley of fire to a mass offensive attack to cut down the force to devastating effect. Marking it as an important battle in history and in the use of early firearms.
Did the Chinese/Japanese use this tactic way before the Europeans?? It seems like you don't see Britain and France do that until 100 years later.
@@geordiejones5618 The Chinese did since the Han dynasty but not with muskets. They used crossbows instead. The Han dynasty used it extensively during their campaigns under Emperor Wu so much so that the crossbow became standard issue weaponry. Other dynasties after that, not so much.
@@joshuakusuma5953 thats awesome.
@@geordiejones5618 It would have been a fairly standard tactic with relatively slow loading weapons such as crossbows and muskets (of whatever type). The Han Dynasty in China predates all of those others, so I'll agree with joshua kusuma that they were likely the first. There are easy to find European drill manuals from the 16th and 17th centuries describing the use of rotating ranks of musketeers. Greek and Roman warfare placed much more emphasis on close quarters fighting, and they tended to use quick moving light infantry skirmishers with javelins, slings etc rather than blocks of troops armed with bows.
Placing missile troops behind a barrier likewise. During the Third Crusade in 1191, Richard the Lionheart arrayed his infantry (mixed spearmen and crossbowmen) behind a barrier to fend off Saladin's cavalry. His own mounted forces were placed behind and charged out at the climax to drive the saracens from the field. Fighting from behind portable barriers was a standard tactic of many Italian crossbowmen. Some of these were at Crécy, but due to the impatience of the French nobles they weren't allowed to retrieve and use them when ordered forward against the English line, so were routed by the faster firing longbows. The English themselves used to carry pointed stakes which they would set in front of their position to defend against cavalry.
The cavalry should had some waves of troops to use the delay time between two lines of msukets.. with that they can reach to the bars and stab them
"Matchlock don't kill people, dishonor people kill people."
Как удивительно-кавалерия повторяет стиль польских крылатых гусар,заграждения очень похоже на русский гуляй город,прием смены стрелковой цепи прекрасно применяли казаки Запорожской Сечи,а само сражение будто списано с битвы при Молодях в 1572 году.
Между этими событиями 10000 километров и три моря,но технология диктует одинаковые приемы по всем континентам.Удивительно!!!
Portuguese merchants: "Greetings Lord Nobunaga. We've received your inquiry about marchlock guns. How many would you like to purchase?"
Oda Nobunaga: "All of them"
Portugese: s t o n k s
I read from a book that Oda actually produce most of their own matchlocks after buying some example from the portuguese
@@EukalyptusBonBon Yes, in this period guns become extremely popular in Japan and they did begin manufacturing their own variations after they'd bought enough European made guns and reverse engineered how they were designed and worked
Even the ottomans used guns during 15th century can be seen in Magnificent century
When someone researches gunpowder before you...
Gunpowder was introduced by Europeans
Gunpowder invented by Chinese btw
@@rahadrahman2288 and not used as well
@@rahadrahman2288 but the Chinese didn't invent guns.
Since when the Chinese are Europan?
The way I see it if u want rainbow and sun shine you gotta put up with the rain.this is a quote of the day.
Impressive use of smokeless powder in this era. All kidding aside, definitely an example of technology outpacing tactics. The attackers stood no chance.
This battle scene is realistic because it shows lots of horses being shot and killed. It is an old Hollywood trope that only the rider got hit in battle and not the thing he is riding on which is 4 times bigger. In fact, Infantrymen were trained to aim for the horse and not the rider because it is far easier to hit and knocking a rider off his horse during his charge either physically incapacitates him or renders him useless on the field. As for the Commander of the attacking army in the Battle of Nagashino, the movie omits the fact it was raining heavily and that is what led to his decision to charge. He thought the rain would render the muskets useless, which was not an irrational assumption to make in 1575 when firearms were rudimentary and required gun powder to be placed in a flintlock firing pan which was exposed to the elements.
It may surprise you, but this cinematic performance was not as realistic as you think.
The reality is that the horse is a large, tough animal that could only be stopped at a gallop by a bullet that struck the heart or the brain. Otherwise, a horse will continue to run a further, on some distance. There are reports that even a horse with one leg broken by a cannonball continued to run forward.
In that era (XVI-XVIIc), shooters were not trained to aiming. Only custom-made or hunting weapons had enough quality to use them precisely. Arquebusiers or musketeers simply sent a cloud of lead at the enemy, hoping the missile would hit somebody.
@Alvi Syahri That's what training is for. In Poland of XVI-XVIIc, horses intended for military service were tamed with the roar of firearms and with gunpowder smoke in everyday activities. In the battle were almost insensitive to firearms effect.
On the other hand, Poles took advantage of the fact that the nomadic Tartar horses were not familiar with the effect of firearms and therefore used pistols intensively during battles with Tatars.
@@cetus4449 What you said about the 'cloud of lead' held true even into the 1800s. Rifling helped with accuracy making the 'cloud' unnecessary but the tactic still held on in European wars.
I think it's only early day Hollywood that has only the rider got hit and not their horse. Either they don't want to hurt the horses, haven't yet making the technique to overcoming that issue
You are correct about it raining at the battle there are 3 things I do want to point out alot don't know. 1) These are Japanese Arquebus not Flintlocks the flintlock didn't exist for another 30 years These were matchlock guns.
2) Nobunaga knew the guns wouldn't work in the rain so his Arquebusiers constructed Lacquer over the actual Matchlock mechanism itself to weatherproof the system so to speak and notice how they reloaded their Arquebus from an angle instead of putting the gun on its buttstock and reloading it the traditional way.
3) Nobunaga knew the terrain favored him and he knew Takedas cavalry would have to slow down their charge to go up a hill towards the camp so he funneled the cavalry into a kill zone where the Arquebus could rain hell on them and he had multiple volleys ay once so after the 3rd bolley fired the 1st Rank was ready to fire again.
This battle cost Takeda 8/24 of his best and most experienced generals and 12,000 out of 15,000 men he ended up committing seppuku(ritual suicide) shortly afterwards
Takeshi's castle has gotten a little extreme.
Kurogane -sensei that would inspire Takeshi Kitano to make the Russian Roulette scene in Sonatine...hehe
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@@xuagiang1313 Yo. *WTF*
@@xuagiang1313 indon
This is the first time I found a person who watches Takeshi Castle
mad respect for this mad lad
I love the sound of
To be fair, the beginning was nerve wrecking as hell.
Imagine waiting there, in the mist, and those hell-spawn children start screeching: "yaaaaaaaaaaaah!"
And then out of nowhere, a massive cavalry charge comes storming right at you.
I know, right? It was like 'the calm before the storm'. My own heart was beating, and I don't know if it was because of anticipation or not.
i think the creepy af boy band was to taunt the defenders...
Apperantly those ate female priests
Psychological warfare at its finest. Before this battle, most Japanese warriors already knew that when they heard those witches, death was about to ride down on them. It would be hard to stand your ground under those circumstances. If there are reinactors of this cavalry today, I wouldn't want to be standing across a fog shrouded field without a weapon knowing what was coming, even if they weren't trying to kill anyone.
@@fishingthelist4017 except the cavalry got massacred
Muskets were introduced to Japan by two Portuguese merchants who were on Ming`s ship in 1543. A warlord of Tanegashima where two Portuguese merchants arrived purchased two muskets, and ordered local blacksmiths to copy them. Japanese blacksmiths mastered a manufacturing technique quickly, and could produce muskets which were superior to European originals. Within a few decades, huge numbers of muskets which were superior both in quality and quantity were used in battlefields. However, after Japan was unified by Tokugawa Ieyasu, Japanese people had lost their enthusiasm to produce muskets, and its manufacturing technique was extinct.
Japan's technology used to be superior
Even in the ancient times
@@OfutebolistaOF literally untrue, the katana is a shit weapon
@@miles2142
キミの首で刀の試し斬りしてええか？
そんクソ武器なら大丈夫やろ、死にはしないさ。
@@miles2142 and it was only used when shit hit the fan
@@miles2142 aw sumbody angy they inferior.
This battle was featured in Akira Kurosawa's film "Kagemusha". A sad, tragic day for the Takeda clan.
Takeda Clan: Our enemy has guns and a fortified position so yeah, let's charge at them with our cavalry.
Yes it was very dumb. But they had no choice. Katsuyori moved the vast majority of his army to mirror the Oda-Tokugawa army away from Nagashino. At the same time, a combined Oda-Tokugawa flanking force snuck by them and relieved the castle. The Takeda were sandwiched between the now reinforced castle and a huge army.
The day before, it had rained so Katsuyori thought firearms would be useless. In addition, the majority of the Oda-Tokugawa force were conscripts with low moral and fighting ability. So he took a gamble that his elite cavalry could punch through. He was wrong. F.
Funny enough, Uesugi Kenshin had a similar situation in the Tedori river in Kaga province. The Oda outnumbered him but only really had conscripts. It too had rained the day before. He tricked the Oda into charging across the river by feigning retreat. Kenshin then ordered the previously dammed river to be flooded, separating the attacking Oda vanguard from the rest. The Uesugi then slaughtered the vanguard in close quarters with elite samurai.
they have no choice to push forward
@@nicholasgutierrez9940 thanks for the additional info!
It’s definitely better than training people with bows, that’s too dangerous
@@nicholasgutierrez9940 The reason wjy they blindly charge in the front is because they think that overwhelming attack can easily defeat the enemy in an instant, but it didn't work as it was plans thanks to nobunaga's tactical superiority in which of using the tanegashima rifles as an alternative counter against a full blown.
With no information about the weapons that this soldiers used, their soldiers were easily destroyed due to their blind and flawed strategy.
Moral: Don’t take a knife to a gun fight!
Why not both?
Damn straight
Or don’t take cavalry to charge a infantry battalion that is hiding behind sharp solid covers.
FPatrick McAllister
Moral lesson 2: If you run out of bullets throw your gun to your enemy’s face!
By Indy Jones
Wow great quality video for 1575!
It gives a strange power armour vibe seeing samurai-like armour on people using guns. I like it
こういう戦国時代の戦いを外国の人が見てくれるのは嬉しい
再生回数と英語のコメントが、スゴいですよね。ちょっとびっくり
若い頃 私は“天と地”という映画を見た。上杉と武田の戦いは本当に面白いいと思いました。 あの映画のせいで日本の興味が始まった。日本人も結婚しましたし。。。
@@eightdragonkings １９７０年代の大河ドラマですね！映画から興味がわき始めるというのはよくありますね！
同じ日本人として嬉しく思う。
@@eightdragonkings 私も見ました。今は亡き津川正彦さんが武田信玄役で、竹田城跡で春日山城のロケが敢行されたそうですね。
Most people dont understand guns were new at those times, and the Takeda was a proud mountain clan living behind the times... Cavalry was their ultimate weapon :P
They knew guns were slow to reload so they bet on meat shields. The first row would sacrifice themselves and give a window for the guys behind, it wasnt just horses... Nobunaga arranged a huge number of muskets in 3 groups that would deny any sort of interval or window... So death shield fell after death shield.
Finally someone with some education, yes guns had been in Japan since the year 1270 from the Chinese who invented them. But these newer matchlock guns were only in Japan for 3 decades prior to this battle. The Japanese bought 2 off a Chinese Junk Ship off Portuguese traders, they took them apart and then started making new gun designs with the use of the matchlock mechanism. Older Japanese guns became redundant, by this time in Japan in the movies at least 100,000 Tanegashima guns existed. Nobunaga used them and so did a few other Daimyo. Some other Daimyo didn't think they would be that effective as they were used to the older guns not being that effective and used to being able to beat firearm squads with tactics like they used to. But the new matchlock mechanism did make the guns a lot better and shifted the battles even further into the firearm squad's side.
Singen Takeda could adapt to that situation and retreated if he still alive on that battlefield, poor takeda, your kids strategy and tactics is not as bright as their father.
excellent analysis !!
@@zondor8123 Shingen didn't expect himself to die at this point and he was taking his time to train his son. Shingen believes in old fashioned gradual take your time education to produce well rounded leaders and soldiers. He believed that a well rounded commander and a good lord of men needs to be a good soldier and learn the value of loyalty as a follower first so he focused his son to be trained as a front line soldier at this point and it back fired because of his unexpected death. The new leader of Takeda clan has little understanding of political shrewdness or military generalship.
Long story short. This is what happens if you make front line soldier command an army with some basic officer school training: all of his "tactics" will likely be variants of brute force direct assault and his personal honor will never allow him to give order to retreat until it's too late.
Indeed, the Japanese of this era invented firearm tactics that the Western Europeans would take another 70 years to develop.
Yes !
Wonderful battle
Great camera quality for 1575
RedArmy No wonder they dominate the electronics industry.
Yes
Was the camera in one of the shots or something? What the hell are you on about?
Lololololol
lol there where no cameras in 1575
wtf
Most Replayed Clip Tier List:
1: Gun poking out of the fence
2: The drum scene
3: Offensive soldiers falling off their horses
The general's faces behind the walls
Pretty much what happened in Nagashino
From inside fortifications, the gun has no equal among weapons. It is the supreme weapon on the field before the ranks clash, but once swords are crossed the gun becomes useless
Best spaghetti western i have seen in years.
The face of the general at the end is the epitome of the expression "What have I done?"
It's like he can't get to fully believe his eyes: an entire army massacred and they didn't even have to grab their swords.
He got to experience first-hand a power far, FAR beyond what they could have ever imagined.
He's terrified, not of the power these "Guns" have... But of what it'll mean to the future of the entire humanity.
They had them big sticks
then world war 1 happened.....
@@jont2576 *O O F*
@@jont2576 Then ww2...
If he is a superbly trained warrior and has battlefield experience then he knows that future generals will adapt and fight accordingly. There will be those that do not of course... but the battlefield is where leaders are brutally separated by victory and defeat.
It may be too late for him, but if he leads another army he'll be FAR more prepared. Too often though their civilian masters would punish/execute them for failure rather than glean the hard lessons they experienced and apply them.
Hopefully he wouldn't forced with seppeku and his master will still use him.
for foreigners
In Japanese “UCHIJINI” means “Died in action”
However, modern Japanese does not use this word, they use “SENSHI” in stead.
From Japan ;)
Officer down
@@creist Japanese people use not only pure Japanese but also "kanji" of Chinese origin.
The words "fighter" and "death in battle" are pronounced the same, "senshi," but have completely different meanings because of the different kanji applied to each.
beautiful
地元民です。
今は馬防柵が寂しく残るのみです。
Props to the cameraman for filming this movie back in time.
He's a good guy
Ps I was the camera
I told myself before I clicked the video that someone would comment this, and I was right.
@@canadianbacon2693 Bruh XD
I know it’s just a tv show but it feels like I’m watching ancient Japanese people fight to the death on screen.
Time machines are better now..than they used to be...
馬にこれだけの演技をさせるのは凄いな
beautiful display of three line valley by Oda troops
This is one of the battle film sequences in film that doesn't have a single flaw in it.
“AND THE THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIV-“
the Oda: *no*
(Bass maximum)
funny thing (or not, depends) is that winged hussars basically died from the same reason
W-waht?
@@shuliu4804 yep😂😂😂
@@shuliu4804 Ottoman Farmers: hahahahahah guns and grenades go *boom*
Okay?
装束を身にした童子の声と諏訪太鼓。その背後から騎馬隊の旗影が見えた時、鳥肌の立つような気がした。まるで戦の神々に火縄の銃口を向けているかのような……。歴史ドラマはこの世代に製作されたものの方が演出が効いていて見応えある。
Amazing battle
The drums and chanting was creepy in that fog.
When I clicked on the video titled "Battle of Nagashino" I sure didn't expect multiple minutes of a bunch of drummers going "nyehhhh" like a toad being squeezed lol
lol.. I thought their sole purpose was to drive the enemy insane
Classic medieval physiological warfare 😁
Send children for the first volley
Am i the only one who finds the drummers and the drumming bone chilling because of the fact that they're surrounded by the mist?
It's comforting, relaxing and sets the mood for death. The women with their added screams or chanting just adds more to moment.
Excellent cinematography considering it was almost 600 years ago.
Props to the camera man for going back in time and filming this
This wouldnt have worked in most battles fought in Europe at the time, because it's geographically more flat.
But Japan is essentially one big mountain sticking out the ocean, with almost every historical battleground being a mountain pass or fought in between rice fields etc.... which they couldnt destroy, as those same rice fields were often the reason for the battle in the first place, a lords worth was determined by how much rice his lands produced.
More rice > More power, makes little sense to march thousands of troops over what essentially makes up the spoils of your campaign.
Point is, there was no flanking, so their strategies emphasized fighting battles in cramped passes & areas.
And so it was all about troop dispositions, ruses, & timing.
Have double-agents make it seem like you're attacking at one pass, make a diversion at that one pass making it seem like the bulk of your army is there, wait for the enemy to muster his troops and converge them on that area.
Then boff, have the bulk of your army hit the other pass, get into the flatlands of your enemy and take up defensive positions, your enemy has no choice but to attack and you can annihilate him with walls of spears & gunfire.
That went both ways though, you know your lands best, sometimes the enemy might feign surprise, but actually face you just at the neck of the pass.
Or the enemy might attack through the most obvious of places, but at the end of a season, catching you by surprise, your Samurai are tending their rice fields, solution: Sum up the plebs, your conscripts, and arm them with guns, making a stand long enough for the bulk of your forces to deploy, but sometimes the conscripts were cut down by martially superior Samurai before they could get into position.
Cavalry was still the most effective, they would make mincemeat out of conscripts provided they could flank.
The tactics of the day were all about flanking or making sure you couldnt be flanked.
And so it was all a big chess-game really, the same battle could play out a hundred different ways depending on variations of dozens of different factors.
Point is, that's why the gun became excessively popular in Japan, Japan was basically built for it.
And as for this battle: Outmaneuvered, where else were the Takeda attackers gonna go except head-on? Rice field or marshes to the left, mountain to the right...
They got their intel wrong and never should have attacked, and besides the Oda's breathing in a lot of gunsmoke, the retards pulling the shots over in camp Takeda smoked something much more impairing.
Funny fact is though, Japan still has all these "Tanegashima's" (guns) in storage, not replica's, and they are brought out for re-enactments all the time.
What that means is when you see a re-enactment of a battle/movie of a battle in Japan, they're using the same exact guns that were used in that battle :D
At this point in time, pikemen formations in Europe were on the rise with arquebusiers in the middle. Yeah knights can't be funneled in like this in Europe, but they can't break pike formations either and were just gunned down.
sure youd flank if the alternative is death
Takeda didn't study Sun Tzu. This was unnecessary.
@@andymetternich3428 Takeda Shingon did, but his son didn’t
@@andymetternich3428 shingen takeda had a personal battle standard called "furinkazan" which is 4 phrase taken from sun tzu's art of war. Which is "Be as quite as a forest, move swift as the wind". "Attack like fire, defend like a mountain".
Still better use of cavalry than the battle of Winterfell.
Lolzxss 😂🤣😅😆
Ouch... good burn.
Awesome battle
当時の火縄銃の有効射程は50mと短かったそうですが、黒色火薬が用いられた事で柵があることと、射撃手が交代している事を悟られず、有効射程の弱点を補うことが出来ました。
黒色火薬が用いられたというより、まだ無煙火薬が開発される前の時代ですよね。
9:26 Baba Nobuharu
He participated in more than 70 battles for more than 40 years,
but did not suffer a single scratch until the Battle of Nagashino.
Isn't that fame belonging to Honda Tadakatsu?
@@Joao-jx1lo 57 battles, large and small, participated in tadakatsu life
He spent the entire waiting period before the battle pleading with Katsuyori to retreat and not fight here as he and the other Veteran commanders knew this was suicide
長篠の鉄砲3段撃ち
狙撃手はそのままで、残り2名は火薬詰め、弾込めをし。狙撃手は代わらず、装填済みの銃を交換させたのが正解。
撃ち手がその都度代わると、その都度ベストな標的を探さないといけないので、効率は悪いでしょうね。
الحرب من بدايته واضحة ان اصحاب السلاح يتفوقون على السلاح التقليدي سيوف
قائد لايفقه فن الحروب ....حطم جيشه ويتم اهله.
The older films were not only better but also manage st stay authentic and accurate to events represented as to stay respectful to those who went through similar
fun fact : Takeda was one of the first clan to use artillery in japan... but they prefered to send cavalery
Those artillery are pretty unreliable and also their commanders incompetent
はい
Historically. Cannons were not popular to use by the japanese. They are expensive. Quite cumbersome to transport. Not at all accurate. They are quite a tricky weaponry to use.
Takeda Katsuyori (probably): “Hey, kid, wanna make a few bucks?”
Some Kid: “I’m listening.”
Takeda Katsuyori (again, probably): “Go out into the line of enemy fire and shout and bang drums.”
Some Kid: “Ok.”
But if they don’t like what you’re playing you might get shot.
Bahahhahahahahaha so true