Disagree with Martin on Inception being confusing; Inception is actually pretty straightforward if you know that it is a heist movie in a scifi wrapper, the exposition scenes explaining how they go into their mark's mind and how they plant the idea are a staple part of storytelling in heists.
Agree. I’m not sure why people think Inception is confusing. And that’s not to say I’m smart or anything. But hell, Inception probably did the best job walking you through its stuff out of all Nolan’s films. I even think Dunkirk is more confusing when it’s actually supposed to be more straightforward
After my first viewing, I would've agreed wholeheartedly with Corey's take. In fact I would’ve rated it worse than he did. The movie was LITERALLY incomprehensible to me. But I just watched it again, months later, and I would argue that this movie borders on being a masterpiece. I recommend to everyone who thought the movie was just ok or worse, to watch it again.
Everytime I watch a Christopher Nolan movie, I feel like Will Smiths character in I, Robot; Speak English!! Don't try to impress me with expensive words!
I found John David Washington's really great. He added personality to the protagonist and his character shined through in the few moments that were not dominated by the plot. The funny bits added enough levity and life without taking away from the movies overall ambiance which I think the character development was subservient too as well (including sound mixing lol). I do agree that Robert Pattinson's performance was stellar.
At my screening, in Brazil, a couple people just gave up and left before the movie ended. When the credits rolled, a girl in the back said "I got nothing" and we all collectivelly shared the feeling. But I really liked it.
I love John David Washington in this he killed it with his physicality which I believe is the main reason Nolan hired him Pattinson also killed it with his natural charisma
The beginning and the end of the film happen at the same time. By the end of the film, there are 3 versions of the protagonist, 2 versions of Neil, 2 versions of kat and 2 versions of sator. The future version of sator and Neil die.
After finishing this movie I needed an hour with a piece of paper and a pen drawing lines and diagrams. But the internal logic and mechanics make sense if you have all the puzzle pieces.
I saw it again and it was better than the first viewing, I’m actually going to see it again tomorrow on the big D lol.. btw has anyone saw a movie in big D ?
Potential spoilers: If you're referring to the boat sailing scene, Kenneth Branagh suggests a partnership in between him and Washington's character in stealing plutonium, after asking him how he would have handled a situation in 2008 where a remote Russian missile station was robbed
@eating sugar no papa Really? Leo's character was trying to get home to his kids and deal with his trauma of his dead wife. What character emotion did this movie drive home for you?
I couldn't understand a goddamn word anyone was saying in this movie and it honestly ruined it for me. And its amazing how many apologists have come to this movie's defense instead of just admitting that the sound mixing in this film is AWFUL.
I planned to see this several times in theaters, but the mixing was so bad I am not going to watch it again until I can control the volume at home and have subtitles!
Spoilers: In regards to the Bond stuff, I actually think this film is almost like an origin story for the M character. Based on what The Protagonist learns at the end (and the fact that we don't know his name), he's basically the leader of this Tenet organisation. He even sent Neil on this mission. You say that Neil would have been a better fit for a Bond like character, but that's actually the point, he is the Bond of this film and that fact is not apparent till the end. Imagine a Bond film if him and M were allies on a mission together and M eventually became his superior until a later film. That's how this film went down. The Protagonist is a more proactive M.
@@sollybowden1357 But 2001 isn't the mechanics of the film but the art of it. It's like David Lynch movies. Are you saying Kurick or Lynch might have made Tenet?
basquat76 I don’t see your point. Tenet is Experiential cinema. Kubrick could’ve made Tenet, not sure about Lynch. "don’t try to understand it, feel it" has been a running motif for most of Nolan’s work. I don’t exactly see where you’re getting at with bringing up Lynch... because he makes experiential cinema?
I saw this review. Had to wait due to covid our theatres were closed. This movie is definitely complex, but its growing into my favorite Nolan film. He has been pushing more pure, notions in his movies, but this one is complex but actually is his best. You cant judge the film off one viewing and I found that true of Momento, The Prestige, Inception and Interstellar as well. The reason is it's a sensory overload. So subsequent viewings you can focus more. There are so many mind fucks, twists and oh shit moments that do make sense that if you put it together, Robert Pattinson should rip your heart out. The ending however IS NOT POSSIBLE without the beginning which is more powerful once you understand the film. The best part of this is going back and if you even bring pen and paper, it helps. Once I discovered the Easter Eggs that led to whom Neil really was, then went back and understood The Protagonist it hit completely different.
@@theanimerapper6351 Lmao.. I was like "you know Kid Rock is.... white right? Does Snoop look white to you 😂😂. She wouldn't let me tell our friends.. so I'm telling random strangers on youtube 😂
That is hilarious it's even more hilarious that since you can't tell your friends you're telling us. LOL it was such a statement you just HAVE to tell someone 😂😂
Beed_roonsun especially at the end. I was struggling a bit, but looking back on it after certain reveals makes me want to see it again. The more I think about it the more I’m becoming a fan
@Ewolf5150 This movie will make u appreciate Dunkirk more.... I came out of this really confused coz of the plot and the experience.. At least Dunkirk was going more for the experience and the uncertainty of war itself... This films themes I could not tell you, the character motivations I could not relate to or feel nor could I even explain the damn plot. Still a excellent movie, if you switched off your brain and went with the flow...
The only similarities to Dunkirk are that this is not a character movie ( the lead is literally named "protagonist" ) ...it does have a story its just that the story is very convoluted and gets lost in its own premise
@@lurkzie That's what i meant, it's not that the movie doesn't have any story, it basically gets lost in the way because of too much exposition and too quick to even bother explaining anything
Probably Nolan is entering the self-indulgent part of his career where his success has surrounded him with obsequious enabling staff instead of creatively critical collaborators. It happens to most of the greats.
Nolan is the most collaborative and suggestions-friendly directors that ever lived. Read any interview where his actors talk about going off script. He always listens and allows his staff to do their way. Nolan always stayed humble.
A comment from the chat and Martin mentioning that although he didn't understand it all, he was still able to keep up was all it took to set off Korey's insecurites big time! Feel sorry for Martin sometimes having to sit there and patiently deal with Korey's insecurities and temperament...
I TRIIIIEDDD to like this movie so much as a big Nolan fan, but it was a let down. It was just WAAY to confusing for me to follow. Nolan let the story run away with itself without letting the audience feel grounded in all of the inversion/time travel mechanics.
@@brian2440 Ok "Inversion travel" lol. The man literally went to a previous time he had already been in to save that girl. Call it what you want, the point stands, I dont think he did a great job at clearly stating how it works.
I felt many times that this movie exists because Nolan wanted to direct scenes in reverse and in a non linear format. Good movie. But I’ll need to see it many times to get a feel of what is happening. Would be nice to see it edited to show every event in linear time.
Go see it a 2nd time at a regular theater and you will kick yourself for missing some obvious clues at the very beginning. The fact that Neil was at the Opera raid pretty much tells you that we are watching the present, future, and past, all at the same time. Everything that was happening had already happened and when Kat saw what she thought was a random woman jump off the boat was the biggest clue to that theory. We actually saw the ending long before the film ended. LOL
Even though i was confused on the first watch i thoroughly enjoyed the film. For a 2 and a half hour film it felt shorter to me as i was very invested in it.
Washington was fine because he is the "protagonist". He is a straightforward CIA operative who doesn't know everything that is going on (or so we were led to believe). Pattinson was perfectly placed as Neil because he is the guy that knows everything, while Washington only knows certain things. I think if you guys see it a 2nd time, you will kick yourself in the ass for missing certain clues that were there all along. I think the audio for some people was a problem (it was fine in my theater) with being able to pick up certain dialogue that was extremely important to the plot and the editing didn't help. Nolan needed this film be at least 30-45 mins longer to flesh out certain scenes to help spell out the rules within this universe.
Without having seen it I can totally understand where Korey’s coming from simply from seeing Nolan’s previous work. He has a real problem with editing *and* dialogue mixing and it leads to confusion especially with how intricate he intends his films to be. I have no idea how the terrible editing on his films goes unnoticed, pointless cut aways as people are speaking, entire new locations and characters suddenly introduced without warning, maybe I’m misremembering since it’s been awhile, but goddamn I found it distracting in his films
U know I never noticed it till last night when me n my sister watched dark Knight after watching the Batman 2022. And within 10 min my sister pointed out how awful the editing was. She couldn't focus on the story bcuz of it's random long overview of buildings/skyscrapers imax shots in between scenes with very low audio until next scene etc If I remember correctly that was also same problem in inception and also Dunkirk.. Who's editing his films??
I said the same thing......I CAN'T HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING!!!! Which COMPLETELY goes against what the point of understanding the story is. To add on, I DID NOT feel for these characters AT ALL. On a good note, visually is it's incredible!!!! This is better than Dunkirk, but worse than all his other ones.
@@alexanderthegreat5649 Tell that to the fan boys that think he can create something good out of nothing every single time. He's definitely a strong top 5 on my directors list, post 2003, but, not #1
@@DJDavis844 I mean that's opinion he's not my personal top 5, but I still hold that "looks" is never a problem with Nolan. He doesn't do anything "bad" by any means in my book.
I think I’m pretty in line with Korey on this one. Enjoyed it, but didn’t know wtf was happening a lot in terms of the time stuff. I followed the plot pretty well though I think. I do wish they had explained the time stuff more, rather than just telling us to “feel it.” Hopefully on repeat viewings I will get it more. I’d give it a middle to high Matinee, like Korey.
Tenet presents a more realistic view of time, which is hard to comprehend in a narrative view. Compared to Back to the Future which is absolute nonsense yet it’s easy to follow narratively. I’d recommend looking up some dimension and space time explanations. It’s not easy to articulate, so Nolan’s really put himself in a box with the film where people just won’t like it because it’s hard to follow. Time isn’t an easy subject and takes years and years to understand. And one film won’t help it make sense for the average viewer who views time as linear. We live in a world where people still don’t understand the time travel in Endgame. So Tenet will make them feel dumb, which is very unfair. I appreciate Nolan for trying to explain this, but I just don’t think anyone can articulate it because it essentially deals with space time and a dimension humans can’t comprehend.
Jet Blvck They weren’t travelling to parallel universes but rather creating them. Peoples complaints about Cap’s time travel ignores the fact that the branch timeline is created when you change the past. Meaning Cap and Peggy we’re together in an alternate timeline. People forget that and say “Well why didn’t Cap save Bucky?” For all we know he did save Bucky. He also knew that he could live life in that timeline so long as one day he travels back again and prevents it from happening, but it’d still remain in his past, thus he’s still experienced it. So that leaves one of two options, Cap either created a branch timeline and thus the multiverse occurred or he attempted to prevent that branch timeline from existing once he’d lived out his life with Peggy. Him or Peggy could’ve easily taken some Pym particles in the 70’s allowing Cap to return at some point after Peggy’s death or they could’ve received some help from Pym himself. The fact we’ve only seen Steve and Peggy dancing in that timeline means we cannot assume what occurred therefore people can’t complain saying Cap just sits there and lets Bucky get tortured. It explicitly states you can’t change your past, as everything you do becomes your present. They’ll probably never show what Cap did because it’d be too convoluted. It’s why time travel isn’t the wisest of moves narratively speaking.
Archerpool my man if you created a parallel universe that you traveled too no matter what time in that universe you traveled to you traveled to a parallel universe. Also cap living out his life til old age means he created a different parallel universe when he traveled back to when we saw him on the bench or else everyone would have also old or dead. Thats not true time travel.
Jet Blvck Not if he prevented that parallel universe he created. That’s literally the rule Marvel setup in Endgame which is why he was returning the stones. He could spend 70 years in an alternate universe and then travel all the way back and stop another version of himself from doing it meaning that timeline never created an anomaly yet he still experienced it. What you’re doing there is applying other time travel logic to the mix, yet Marvel use their own rules. You can’t apply other rules to it.
Archerpool no im pretty sure him not returning at the exact same time and place he left would create another parallel which he could not have done without them being aware of. Actually him leaving period would. Thats based on the rules you just said. Their would automatically be a time where time travel was not interfering I would think at least but even if not its literally no way to return exactly as you were to the same point. Which would cause a butterfly effect. Once again still using their rules. That just not well thought out the way they did it. Like I said a parallel universe is not the same thing as time travel. They could not have saved the time period they came from they created another one. The one they came from is still missing half a population and along with now them. What they should have done is using the gauntlet to stop thanos from ever snapping his finger. Then that would have undone everything while actually being able to undo all the parallels they created.
I can't get enough of this film. If you guys ever want to do a follow-up review on this, let me know. I'll go over details that you might have missed. I can definitely tell you what's happening and would like to make it more comprehensible; plus answer questions you might have about it. Fantastic film. Really feel like your takes will be very different afterwards.
It would help if Nolan used what he did in Momento. Tint the screen pallet to let the viewers know where they were in time, at the present or flashback. I got lost confused when Pattison went back into the normal world from the reversed world.
The characters in the movie basically just move the story along. Every actor in this movie is replaceable. I think that's because of the script rather than the performances themselves. This movie was basically a Nolan flex.
This movie felt like "Inception" without the heart. The fact that John David Washington put so much life into his seriously underwritten character shows his acting chops
I've never understood why critics have a hate on for long movies. If it's a good movie, I prefer to have more of it. I actually feel cheated if a big movie is down around 90 minutes. I got the movie when I 1st watched it. You just have to pay attention. (But then I've watched and read a LOT of science fiction.) You need to study up a little, Korey.
Corey. He wasn't going backwards in time until he went to save the girl and get the "bad" guy. Don't think about it...too much. Once he gets inverted, that's when he starts going back in time...but that was way later in the movie. He fights "someone" from the past...but not really in the the past....he presently fights in the past as he fought in the future. haha. Got to love it. You had a hard time understanding it because it tells you everything that happened before the story started. The end is the past and the actual beginning of the movie. It's just that they are happening at the same time.
As a concept, Tenet is intriguing, but the overall execution feels like I’m a houseguest at a wealthy person’s party where they feel like their story defies all conventions and is the greatest ever told.
12:51 as someone who already has hearing damage, listening on headphones 😭 whyyyyy I’d already cranked my volume up to hear Martin because his mic is so low and I got blasted damn
The issue is that you don’t care about any of the characters. There’s no character development. The relationships aren’t believable. Why does the protagonist care about the girl? Why does it matter if she lives or dies? Does it have anything to do with his overall mission? No.
Bingo. Why the fuck would protagonist care about the wife? He is trying to do a mission and at no point did they give him any true reason to want to save her life by going back in reverse, etc. No chemistry or background where the character would want to save her.
Problem is, how are you going to create character development for a problem that literally affects the entire world? I agree with you, but look at the world today. The largest problems in the world have the least emotion behind them, and the real solutions for them are driven by knowledge. The film even somewhat addresses this at the end when it talks about nobody carrying about bombs that never go off. If something never happens even if it means everything, to each individual it never impacted them. Also, be careful what you ask for, because too much character development can cause your movie to go full on ridiculous like creating a tesseract I’d love to connect with your daughter....
Brian Yes, but a movie where you don’t give a flying rats ass about any of the characters isn’t a good movie. CN is fully capable of making complex movies with good characters that people care about. (ie. Memento and Inception)
purplecrocs the problem is, how do you actually put stronger character development into this plot? The objective is to save humanity from an event in which actions both in normal or standard life and inverted life have to ensure a particular event is prevented. What scenario helps grow the character arch without completely changing the major events of the plot?
It was all around great but when it slows down, you realize J.D. Washington is just doing a non-comedic impression of his father. But he doesn't quite have the look or screen presence for it to fully work. And his voice doesn't carry. Gotta do some theater like his dad and Samuel L. And find his own mannerisms.
Disagree with your assessment on JD Washington’s casting… much like Neo in the ‘Matrix’, he needs to appear competent, and a natural, but still a little clueless as he is just learning.. while Pattinson’s character needs to appear more adept as he has the benefit of hindsight and advanced training.. Even Washington’s stature implies that he is still the ‘little man’ overachieving amongst giant odds
John David Washington was my favorite part of the film. Robert Pattinson was great but make mistake John David Washington was the one holding this film down. He was great.
I think I am going to wait for VOD. If this movie is the visual masterpiece everybody is saying it is, you really don't think WB will do an IMAX re-release in one or two years (after, hopefully, this covid-19 situation disappears or is put under control) to squeeze more cash out of it?
@@angusmacfrankenstein7227 Nah, y'all are silly if you haven't seen this in much older shows and music videos including his film Memento. But he tried to put some Physics into it which is admirable
It's very fast and convoluted but I felt it was pretty easy to follow when all was said and done, the ending wrapped things up well, it reminded me a bit of Limitless, where you learn he was on top of things the entire time. It did a lot of the same lampshading that Inception did and that mostly worked and I felt this did as well, I liked when Neil revealed his relationship to him and the environmentalist/antinatalist subtext was cool. My main issues would be the pacing and JD Washington didn't have the best chemistry with everyone and some of the line reading and blocking was kinda stilted in the normal scenes. If Interstellar was Nolan's Contact, Tenet in Nolan's Time Cop Low Full Price
the dialogue scenes are overly efficient and everybody knew exactly what the other person was talking about right away despite just getting into that line of work lmao i understand it's already a very long movie because nolan wanted to crowbar every single time travel concept he could think of into the movie, but that led to force-feeding so much exposition through a fire hydrant to get the audience up to speed in record time
Just saw Tenet yesterday. Great movie, but REALLY confusing, it makes Interstellar & Inception look like pre-school. Also, it's hard to hear the dialogue when the characters are wearing masks, gas maks, etc. The music, sfx, and scoring are great, but the mixing is horrible.
The great thing is no one can spoil the film because they don't know what it's about. Genius.
LOL! This is probably the most insightful comment in this comment section. Bravo sir!
I can see the meme of the brother pointing at his forehead below this comment.
@Marlon Davis yeah I saw that one. Maybe you have to be drunk to get it . Challenge accepted.
I have no clue whats going on but its fucking AWESOME!!!🤯😂🤣
hahaha 👍
“This movie is like a roller coaster ride... with a physics major... that WONT SHUT UP” 😂😂
Tenet would’ve made sense if everyone in the cast was wearing the classic Double Toasted black tee with the white logo.
Amen !
You mean the one with the white logo?
You can get all that toasty goodness all over your body... *but in reverse*
This made me LOL! 🤣🤣🤣
But if it's in reverse, isn't that toasty goodness being taken away from your body?
Disagree with Martin on Inception being confusing; Inception is actually pretty straightforward if you know that it is a heist movie in a scifi wrapper, the exposition scenes explaining how they go into their mark's mind and how they plant the idea are a staple part of storytelling in heists.
It confused me too
Agree. I’m not sure why people think Inception is confusing. And that’s not to say I’m smart or anything. But hell, Inception probably did the best job walking you through its stuff out of all Nolan’s films. I even think Dunkirk is more confusing when it’s actually supposed to be more straightforward
Back in 2010 it confused me but now I'm shocked I was so confused by it it's kind if a smart movie for dummies like me lol
Probably because of the way exposition was delivered.
@@Thaibiohazard123 how the fook is Dunkirk Confusing
Nolan can shoot car chases, he can shoot beautiful wides, he can pretty much shoot anything except hand to hand combat.
This had some of his best action in years
The kitchen scene????
The damn hallway scene...twice??? Lmao🤣🤣🤣
this is his best choreographed fights in any of his films ..he still could get better though
The kitchen scene was great and the hallway fight scene was so transcendent in regards to camera work
This must be the cruelest "watch this movie and write a report" homework assignment ever 😂
Truth. I felt that.
🤣🤣
Martin Thomas: “this was a full price movie. Even though i pirated it”
Lmao
You are one of the smart ones then.
@@YasharelYahawadah 🤣
Lol flix tor
After my first viewing, I would've agreed wholeheartedly with Corey's take. In fact I would’ve rated it worse than he did. The movie was LITERALLY incomprehensible to me. But I just watched it again, months later, and I would argue that this movie borders on being a masterpiece.
I recommend to everyone who thought the movie was just ok or worse, to watch it again.
The Movie everyone risked their lives for, most cant understand. Such as the meaning of life.
Neil saves Protagonist’s life in the beginning. Keep an eye out for the red chain on his backpack
first half of this movie was borderline unwatchable (at least without subtitles), second half of this movie was amazing
oh shit, didn't expect to see you here! Pleasant surprise
I was thinking the same thing. For the first half, most of the conversations need subtitles. But the second half is so great but even more confusing
I didn't have much of a problem until the "wave boat glider thing"....but everyone else says it's bad so I guess I can't debate.
Just saw it last night and those are my thoughts exactly
I had no idea who they were fighting at the end
Everytime I watch a Christopher Nolan movie, I feel like Will Smiths character in I, Robot; Speak English!! Don't try to impress me with expensive words!
sadly, it's more intellectual than it is intelligent
@@360.Tapestry Nah, it was full of action and not a lot of explanations. Not like most of us could hear any of the dialogue so...
@callmecatalyst chuuch
His movies give me a headache. I never know what is going on ever!!!
I found John David Washington's really great. He added personality to the protagonist and his character shined through in the few moments that were not dominated by the plot. The funny bits added enough levity and life without taking away from the movies overall ambiance which I think the character development was subservient too as well (including sound mixing lol). I do agree that Robert Pattinson's performance was stellar.
At my screening, in Brazil, a couple people just gave up and left before the movie ended. When the credits rolled, a girl in the back said "I got nothing" and we all collectivelly shared the feeling. But I really liked it.
"John David Washington beat up some dudes with a kitchen!" LOL XD! that cheese grader tho
Yeah he swiped it! I was expecting to see blood from that.
Ouch
I love John David Washington in this he killed it with his physicality which I believe is the main reason Nolan hired him Pattinson also killed it with his natural charisma
I agree I thought he was great, I didnt even know he was Denzel's son at first Pattenson was good but this was cast correctly
@@1D4ever me either until I heard him speak because they have the exact same voice
@@athenajaxon2397 lol yes they have the exact same voice
There was no charisma by him or anyone. Every line delivered was just flat.
And Christopher Nolan just plain killed the movie with poor writing and a confusing plot.
The beginning and the end of the film happen at the same time. By the end of the film, there are 3 versions of the protagonist, 2 versions of Neil, 2 versions of kat and 2 versions of sator. The future version of sator and Neil die.
New rating: worth dying for.
I'm going to pirate it, I don't care
Ha ha ha
May May Nolan is fuming right now.
Fake news. It's "worth burying grandma for"
Idunnoyouguessit whats fake news?
After finishing this movie I needed an hour with a piece of paper and a pen drawing lines and diagrams. But the internal logic and mechanics make sense if you have all the puzzle pieces.
Saw it twice. Probably more confused 2nd time round, but enjoyed twice as much.
I’m going to watch it again too
Everything clicked for me on the 2nd watch. I liked it a lot more then.
I saw it again and it was better than the first viewing, I’m actually going to see it again tomorrow on the big D lol.. btw has anyone saw a movie in big D ?
His character picking up the concept of reverse entropy so quick was just totally unbelievable.
Potential spoilers: If you're referring to the boat sailing scene, Kenneth Branagh suggests a partnership in between him and Washington's character in stealing plutonium, after asking him how he would have handled a situation in 2008 where a remote Russian missile station was robbed
Ah, that was the only thing I struggled to hear during the couple of moments when the sound mixing went whack.
'Intellectual Michael Bay' 😂😂
The funny thing is this: Christopher Nolan is a fan of Michael Bay, especially how Bay puts together action set pieces.
@@JamesASharp true😂
That was savage.
Just saw the movie. TRUEST THING EVER lol
michael bay > well, Nolan as Pacing, tension, cinematography and eeverything technical that doesnt make him Bay, he is a master of his craft
Its Inception with double the plot and half the heart.
Perfect summary.
THIS!!
@eating sugar no papa Really? Leo's character was trying to get home to his kids and deal with his trauma of his dead wife. What character emotion did this movie drive home for you?
@@Independent365 A woman being trapped in an abusive relationship.
@@Hyde1415 the only thing I cared about in that relationship was how hot Elizabeth Debeki is.
I couldn't understand a goddamn word anyone was saying in this movie and it honestly ruined it for me. And its amazing how many apologists have come to this movie's defense instead of just admitting that the sound mixing in this film is AWFUL.
Most folks want to be able to enjoy a Nolan film AND talk about how they enjoyed it. Nobody should penalise honesty
I'm half deaf and was worried it would be just me because I couldn't understand Bane in TDKR.
It was the theatre not the movie my man. My sound was crisp as a MF, so, yeah.
You and me both.
I planned to see this several times in theaters, but the mixing was so bad I am not going to watch it again until I can control the volume at home and have subtitles!
This sounds mixing was crazy
Subtitles at home: (Inaudible dialogue)
“An intellectual Micheal Bay” that’s so true! 😂😂😂 y did he blow up that plane??? 😂
Because A) it's f*ckin cool and B) it looks better than blowing up a CGI plane
@@ColombianThunder so for the same reasons as Michael bay lol
@@nachoprime9649i mean, i didn't say it wasn't for the same reasons lol
more like a boring michael bay. plenty of real intellectuals out there, like hickman and fraction..........
@@serenityq26 no
Spoilers:
In regards to the Bond stuff, I actually think this film is almost like an origin story for the M character. Based on what The Protagonist learns at the end (and the fact that we don't know his name), he's basically the leader of this Tenet organisation. He even sent Neil on this mission. You say that Neil would have been a better fit for a Bond like character, but that's actually the point, he is the Bond of this film and that fact is not apparent till the end. Imagine a Bond film if him and M were allies on a mission together and M eventually became his superior until a later film. That's how this film went down. The Protagonist is a more proactive M.
Great theory!
This is exactly what they should of done with the last 2 Bonds movies.
@@Pacbandit13 I feel like what they did with Mallory in Skyfall was a decent enough origin, same with Moneypenny.
@@Pacbandit13 Origin for the more classic versions of M and Moneypenny.
"Try not to understand it." These kinds of lines in movies piss me off.
I unwittingly started a war in the comments.
At least they address it
Its pretty much an excuse for the director to do whatever he wants no matter how much it doesnt make sense or how many plot holes it creates
I don’t see what’s so wrong with that statement? You don’t have to understand 2001 to love it! It’s an incredible film which is entirely experiential
@@sollybowden1357 But 2001 isn't the mechanics of the film but the art of it. It's like David Lynch movies. Are you saying Kurick or Lynch might have made Tenet?
basquat76 I don’t see your point. Tenet is Experiential cinema. Kubrick could’ve made Tenet, not sure about Lynch. "don’t try to understand it, feel it" has been a running motif for most of Nolan’s work. I don’t exactly see where you’re getting at with bringing up Lynch... because he makes experiential cinema?
I saw this review. Had to wait due to covid our theatres were closed.
This movie is definitely complex, but its growing into my favorite Nolan film.
He has been pushing more pure, notions in his movies, but this one is complex but actually is his best.
You cant judge the film off one viewing and I found that true of Momento, The Prestige, Inception and Interstellar as well.
The reason is it's a sensory overload. So subsequent viewings you can focus more.
There are so many mind fucks, twists and oh shit moments that do make sense that if you put it together, Robert Pattinson should rip your heart out.
The ending however IS NOT POSSIBLE without the beginning which is more powerful once you understand the film.
The best part of this is going back and if you even bring pen and paper, it helps.
Once I discovered the Easter Eggs that led to whom Neil really was, then went back and understood The Protagonist it hit completely different.
Imagine what a Bill and Ted film directed by Christopher Nolan would be.
69 dudes!
Well for starters it wouldn’t be funny
Whoa!
Well ...Would be a shit ton of people sayin "No way" while watching it for sure!
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“Don’t try to understand it. Feel it.” 😂😂😂
This is totally random, but my wife called Snoop Kid Rock earlier.. she lived under a rock growing up BUT DAMN!!!
You sure she ain't live in space? Lmao
@@theanimerapper6351 Lmao.. I was like "you know Kid Rock is.... white right? Does Snoop look white to you 😂😂. She wouldn't let me tell our friends.. so I'm telling random strangers on youtube 😂
That is hilarious it's even more hilarious that since you can't tell your friends you're telling us. LOL it was such a statement you just HAVE to tell someone 😂😂
I love this. We need more people posting random shit.😅😅😅
The fight scenes in Tenet were better than any of Nolan's Batman films. I wish Batman fought like the Just for Men bearded protagonist.
I feel like he got heated when he felt like he was the only one who didn't understand the movie lmao
Holy shit, "Intellectual Michael Bay" is so spot on lol
"More intelligent Michael Bay!!!" LOL!!!🤣
So this movie isn't about people living in apartments?
Huh
😂🤣
I'm already confused, and the video just started.
Oh yeah the sound mixing is horrendous to the point where you can't hear the dialogue
or did it just end?
Movie was great to me but I do agree about the bad sound mixing
It’s not bad if it’s intentional like that. I’ve only seen UA-cam fan trailers do worse with their sound mixing than Nolan does.
The name's Bond,
Over-Convoluted Bond...
Instead of 007 it's 001011100101001001110000110100111011110011001
Lmao
Underated comment 😭
Tenet means Mcguffin.
Tenet means ten. net is the inverted side of the organisation.
Te n et means 10 min for red team adn 10 min for blue team to accomplish the final mission
The algorithm is the McGuffin. But, "duh", right?
This reminded me of Dunkirk, not much "story" going on but it's an event kind of film that illustrates the idea of their plot
I disagree that there wasn’t much story going on in Tenet. It was just really complex that you’d be forgiven if you got a bit lost
Beed_roonsun especially at the end. I was struggling a bit, but looking back on it after certain reveals makes me want to see it again. The more I think about it the more I’m becoming a fan
@Ewolf5150 This movie will make u appreciate Dunkirk more.... I came out of this really confused coz of the plot and the experience.. At least Dunkirk was going more for the experience and the uncertainty of war itself... This films themes I could not tell you, the character motivations I could not relate to or feel nor could I even explain the damn plot. Still a excellent movie, if you switched off your brain and went with the flow...
The only similarities to Dunkirk are that this is not a character movie ( the lead is literally named "protagonist" ) ...it does have a story its just that the story is very convoluted and gets lost in its own premise
@@lurkzie That's what i meant, it's not that the movie doesn't have any story, it basically gets lost in the way because of too much exposition and too quick to even bother explaining anything
The only thing you need to know about the kitchen fight scene: Casual use of a cheese grater.
THAT SCENE WAS EVERYTHINGGG 😩👌🏼🔥
33:50 - 😂 According to google she's 6'3" and most of the movie she had 5 or 6" heels on. She's the tallest person in the movie by far.
In the words of the Joker,
"And here we go..."
In the words of Morris the Barber
"He aint lyin."
Probably Nolan is entering the self-indulgent part of his career where his success has surrounded him with obsequious enabling staff instead of creatively critical collaborators. It happens to most of the greats.
@shogun harlem Martin Scorsese and even though I love him Quentin Tarantino
Nolan is the most collaborative and suggestions-friendly directors that ever lived. Read any interview where his actors talk about going off script. He always listens and allows his staff to do their way. Nolan always stayed humble.
@@antona.1327 then, he is just surrounding himself with the wrong people this time
This must be exactly what they said about Kubrick when he was alive
@@elephantello1518 What? Kubrick never made anything even close to this bad.
Coleman ALWAYS gets so defensive when Martin doesn’t agree with his reviews lmfaoooo
It’s what makes this show so good lol
I think most of it is in anticipation of the fans who get up in arms.
A comment from the chat and Martin mentioning that although he didn't understand it all, he was still able to keep up was all it took to set off Korey's insecurites big time!
Feel sorry for Martin sometimes having to sit there and patiently deal with Korey's insecurities and temperament...
Yep and YES 👍
Keep up lol? Martin said he had to go online to understand it lol. Koreys reaction is shared with ALOT of people
I TRIIIIEDDD to like this movie so much as a big Nolan fan, but it was a let down. It was just WAAY to confusing for me to follow. Nolan let the story run away with itself without letting the audience feel grounded in all of the inversion/time travel mechanics.
The movie literally states it’s not time travel, so what are you talking about?
@@brian2440 Ok "Inversion travel" lol. The man literally went to a previous time he had already been in to save that girl. Call it what you want, the point stands, I dont think he did a great job at clearly stating how it works.
I felt many times that this movie exists because Nolan wanted to direct scenes in reverse and in a non linear format. Good movie. But I’ll need to see it many times to get a feel of what is happening. Would be nice to see it edited to show every event in linear time.
The visuals in this were so incredible it felt like a damn documentary!
Yes, great visuals. But also hollow visuals with no substance and lousy sound.
I had absolutely no clue what was happening the entire movie but I still kinda liked it lol
Go see it a 2nd time at a regular theater and you will kick yourself for missing some obvious clues at the very beginning. The fact that Neil was at the Opera raid pretty much tells you that we are watching the present, future, and past, all at the same time. Everything that was happening had already happened and when Kat saw what she thought was a random woman jump off the boat was the biggest clue to that theory. We actually saw the ending long before the film ended. LOL
This movie was confusing as all hell but SO ENTERTAINING!! I have to watch this again.
This was amazing watching it live yesterday.
This movie reminded me of Kojima’s Death Stranding, just a slow slosh of WTF juice.
Death Stranding made more sense
@Ewolf5150 I think the screenplay might have been inverted.
@Ewolf5150 game?
Even though i was confused on the first watch i thoroughly enjoyed the film. For a 2 and a half hour film it felt shorter to me as i was very invested in it.
Its going to save cinemas because its going to get people to want to go rewatch it
Washington was fine because he is the "protagonist". He is a straightforward CIA operative who doesn't know everything that is going on (or so we were led to believe). Pattinson was perfectly placed as Neil because he is the guy that knows everything, while Washington only knows certain things. I think if you guys see it a 2nd time, you will kick yourself in the ass for missing certain clues that were there all along. I think the audio for some people was a problem (it was fine in my theater) with being able to pick up certain dialogue that was extremely important to the plot and the editing didn't help. Nolan needed this film be at least 30-45 mins longer to flesh out certain scenes to help spell out the rules within this universe.
Best Line though,... " I finally figured out, i wasn't working for you. We were both working for me." Lmao...
Without having seen it I can totally understand where Korey’s coming from simply from seeing Nolan’s previous work. He has a real problem with editing *and* dialogue mixing and it leads to confusion especially with how intricate he intends his films to be. I have no idea how the terrible editing on his films goes unnoticed, pointless cut aways as people are speaking, entire new locations and characters suddenly introduced without warning, maybe I’m misremembering since it’s been awhile, but goddamn I found it distracting in his films
U know I never noticed it till last night when me n my sister watched dark Knight after watching the Batman 2022. And within 10 min my sister pointed out how awful the editing was. She couldn't focus on the story bcuz of it's random long overview of buildings/skyscrapers imax shots in between scenes with very low audio until next scene etc If I remember correctly that was also same problem in inception and also Dunkirk..
Who's editing his films??
I said the same thing......I CAN'T HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING!!!! Which COMPLETELY goes against what the point of understanding the story is. To add on, I DID NOT feel for these characters AT ALL. On a good note, visually is it's incredible!!!! This is better than Dunkirk, but worse than all his other ones.
"Looking good" will never be a problem in a Nolan film. He's beyond mastering that.... understanding? Still working on that.
@@alexanderthegreat5649 Tell that to the fan boys that think he can create something good out of nothing every single time. He's definitely a strong top 5 on my directors list, post 2003, but, not #1
Dunkirk is one of his best movies.
@@pleaserewind295 not his top 5 sorry.
@@DJDavis844
I mean that's opinion he's not my personal top 5, but I still hold that "looks" is never a problem with Nolan. He doesn't do anything "bad" by any means in my book.
After watching the German Netflix original 'Dark' I thought I had a pretty good grip on all the time travelling shenanigans.
Lmao me 2
Why is it that the word “Nepotism” is always used when discussing black families in Hollywood????
I think I’m pretty in line with Korey on this one. Enjoyed it, but didn’t know wtf was happening a lot in terms of the time stuff. I followed the plot pretty well though I think. I do wish they had explained the time stuff more, rather than just telling us to “feel it.” Hopefully on repeat viewings I will get it more. I’d give it a middle to high Matinee, like Korey.
Don’t try to understand just feel it
You guys easily have the best reviews on UA-cam.
Couldn’t hear shit besides the sound effects and music. Took away from the experience.
oh.... so going to theaters wouldn't have helped much with the muddled dialogue i heard in the pirated version lol
I always bring ear plugs in case it is too loud. I found it balanced out the sound in Tenet.
When Korey starts a rant the censoring of the swears makes it sound like he's losing his connection.
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Tenet presents a more realistic view of time, which is hard to comprehend in a narrative view. Compared to Back to the Future which is absolute nonsense yet it’s easy to follow narratively. I’d recommend looking up some dimension and space time explanations. It’s not easy to articulate, so Nolan’s really put himself in a box with the film where people just won’t like it because it’s hard to follow. Time isn’t an easy subject and takes years and years to understand. And one film won’t help it make sense for the average viewer who views time as linear. We live in a world where people still don’t understand the time travel in Endgame. So Tenet will make them feel dumb, which is very unfair. I appreciate Nolan for trying to explain this, but I just don’t think anyone can articulate it because it essentially deals with space time and a dimension humans can’t comprehend.
Wasnt the time travel in avengers actually them going to parallel universes? And didn’t the captain america scene make no sense?
Jet Blvck They weren’t travelling to parallel universes but rather creating them. Peoples complaints about Cap’s time travel ignores the fact that the branch timeline is created when you change the past. Meaning Cap and Peggy we’re together in an alternate timeline. People forget that and say “Well why didn’t Cap save Bucky?” For all we know he did save Bucky. He also knew that he could live life in that timeline so long as one day he travels back again and prevents it from happening, but it’d still remain in his past, thus he’s still experienced it. So that leaves one of two options, Cap either created a branch timeline and thus the multiverse occurred or he attempted to prevent that branch timeline from existing once he’d lived out his life with Peggy. Him or Peggy could’ve easily taken some Pym particles in the 70’s allowing Cap to return at some point after Peggy’s death or they could’ve received some help from Pym himself. The fact we’ve only seen Steve and Peggy dancing in that timeline means we cannot assume what occurred therefore people can’t complain saying Cap just sits there and lets Bucky get tortured. It explicitly states you can’t change your past, as everything you do becomes your present. They’ll probably never show what Cap did because it’d be too convoluted. It’s why time travel isn’t the wisest of moves narratively speaking.
Archerpool my man if you created a parallel universe that you traveled too no matter what time in that universe you traveled to you traveled to a parallel universe. Also cap living out his life til old age means he created a different parallel universe when he traveled back to when we saw him on the bench or else everyone would have also old or dead. Thats not true time travel.
Jet Blvck Not if he prevented that parallel universe he created. That’s literally the rule Marvel setup in Endgame which is why he was returning the stones. He could spend 70 years in an alternate universe and then travel all the way back and stop another version of himself from doing it meaning that timeline never created an anomaly yet he still experienced it. What you’re doing there is applying other time travel logic to the mix, yet Marvel use their own rules. You can’t apply other rules to it.
Archerpool no im pretty sure him not returning at the exact same time and place he left would create another parallel which he could not have done without them being aware of. Actually him leaving period would. Thats based on the rules you just said. Their would automatically be a time where time travel was not interfering I would think at least but even if not its literally no way to return exactly as you were to the same point. Which would cause a butterfly effect. Once again still using their rules. That just not well thought out the way they did it. Like I said a parallel universe is not the same thing as time travel. They could not have saved the time period they came from they created another one. The one they came from is still missing half a population and along with now them. What they should have done is using the gauntlet to stop thanos from ever snapping his finger. Then that would have undone everything while actually being able to undo all the parallels they created.
Tom Cruise be like "NO Liz Debicki will ever work in my movies!" :D
I can't get enough of this film. If you guys ever want to do a follow-up review on this, let me know. I'll go over details that you might have missed. I can definitely tell you what's happening and would like to make it more comprehensible; plus answer questions you might have about it. Fantastic film. Really feel like your takes will be very different afterwards.
It would help if Nolan used what he did in Momento. Tint the screen pallet to let the viewers know where they were in time, at the present or flashback.
I got lost confused when Pattison went back into the normal world from the reversed world.
The characters in the movie basically just move the story along. Every actor in this movie is replaceable. I think that's because of the script rather than the performances themselves. This movie was basically a Nolan flex.
That's the case with most Nolan films except The Prestige. And that's why I haven't cared for his films.
This movie felt like "Inception" without the heart. The fact that John David Washington put so much life into his seriously underwritten character shows his acting chops
Funny because people complained about Inception that it had a lo5 of exposition to give the main character a heart
Robert Pattinson has got Covid 19. It was just on the news.
Good.
Came here after the Stuckman interview, and I love this channel. Y'all are entertaining as fuck
I've never understood why critics have a hate on for long movies. If it's a good movie, I prefer to have more of it. I actually feel cheated if a big movie is down around 90 minutes.
I got the movie when I 1st watched it. You just have to pay attention. (But then I've watched and read a LOT of science fiction.) You need to study up a little, Korey.
Corey. He wasn't going backwards in time until he went to save the girl and get the "bad" guy. Don't think about it...too much. Once he gets inverted, that's when he starts going back in time...but that was way later in the movie. He fights "someone" from the past...but not really in the the past....he presently fights in the past as he fought in the future. haha. Got to love it. You had a hard time understanding it because it tells you everything that happened before the story started. The end is the past and the actual beginning of the movie. It's just that they are happening at the same time.
Shudder is definitely worth the price. Korey convinced me a year ago with another advertisement.
As a concept, Tenet is intriguing, but the overall execution feels like I’m a houseguest at a wealthy person’s party where they feel like their story defies all conventions and is the greatest ever told.
Neil and Kat were the emotional hearts of the film. The protagonist wasn't written that well compared to the other characters.
12:51 as someone who already has hearing damage, listening on headphones 😭 whyyyyy
I’d already cranked my volume up to hear Martin because his mic is so low and I got blasted damn
So does this mean Bill n Ted are gonna win the Oscar for best picture. Excellent 🎶
The benefit on watching this on vod is, you can always do an inversion anytime there is an explanation that you don't catch the first time
and subtitles ;)
@@yakuza01 that's an important thing too
The issue is that you don’t care about any of the characters. There’s no character development. The relationships aren’t believable. Why does the protagonist care about the girl? Why does it matter if she lives or dies? Does it have anything to do with his overall mission? No.
Bingo. Why the fuck would protagonist care about the wife? He is trying to do a mission and at no point did they give him any true reason to want to save her life by going back in reverse, etc. No chemistry or background where the character would want to save her.
Problem is, how are you going to create character development for a problem that literally affects the entire world?
I agree with you, but look at the world today. The largest problems in the world have the least emotion behind them, and the real solutions for them are driven by knowledge.
The film even somewhat addresses this at the end when it talks about nobody carrying about bombs that never go off. If something never happens even if it means everything, to each individual it never impacted them.
Also, be careful what you ask for, because too much character development can cause your movie to go full on ridiculous like creating a tesseract I’d love to connect with your daughter....
Brian Yes, but a movie where you don’t give a flying rats ass about any of the characters isn’t a good movie. CN is fully capable of making complex movies with good characters that people care about. (ie. Memento and Inception)
purplecrocs the problem is, how do you actually put stronger character development into this plot? The objective is to save humanity from an event in which actions both in normal or standard life and inverted life have to ensure a particular event is prevented.
What scenario helps grow the character arch without completely changing the major events of the plot?
I’m still trying to figure out Inception a decade later. Once I decode that, I’ll be all-in with Tenet
I thought it Inception was pretty simple enough to understand.
AlexanderThe Great .....Yes, I’ve really spent the last decade of my life trying to understand the narrative and concept of Inception...*sarcasm*
Inception was really straightforward
Inception was child’s play compare to Tenet 😂
@Ewolf5150 You're a real buzz killer huh lol
It was all around great but when it slows down, you realize J.D. Washington is just doing a non-comedic impression of his father. But he doesn't quite have the look or screen presence for it to fully work. And his voice doesn't carry. Gotta do some theater like his dad and Samuel L. And find his own mannerisms.
@Martin Truth and stop doing the Denzel shtick lol.
Disagree with your assessment on JD Washington’s casting… much like Neo in the ‘Matrix’, he needs to appear competent, and a natural, but still a little clueless as he is just learning.. while Pattinson’s character needs to appear more adept as he has the benefit of hindsight and advanced training.. Even Washington’s stature implies that he is still the ‘little man’ overachieving amongst giant odds
John David Washington was my favorite part of the film. Robert Pattinson was great but make mistake John David Washington was the one holding this film down. He was great.
I think I am going to wait for VOD. If this movie is the visual masterpiece everybody is saying it is, you really don't think WB will do an IMAX re-release in one or two years (after, hopefully, this covid-19 situation disappears or is put under control) to squeeze more cash out of it?
Lmaoo Sounds like Korey got offended by the chat joking about him not understanding 😂😂😂
It definitely did lol. It left him a little triggered.
nolan saw dr strange's reverse time action scene and thought... lemme try that with an entire movie
I thought he saw that annoying couple of seasons of Doctor Who....”Spoilers!”
@@angusmacfrankenstein7227 that sounds annoying already
@@angusmacfrankenstein7227 Nah, y'all are silly if you haven't seen this in much older shows and music videos including his film Memento.
But he tried to put some Physics into it which is admirable
It's very fast and convoluted but I felt it was pretty easy to follow when all was said and done, the ending wrapped things up well, it reminded me a bit of Limitless, where you learn he was on top of things the entire time.
It did a lot of the same lampshading that Inception did and that mostly worked and I felt this did as well, I liked when Neil revealed his relationship to him and the environmentalist/antinatalist subtext was cool.
My main issues would be the pacing and JD Washington didn't have the best chemistry with everyone and some of the line reading and blocking was kinda stilted in the normal scenes.
If Interstellar was Nolan's Contact, Tenet in Nolan's Time Cop
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the dialogue scenes are overly efficient and everybody knew exactly what the other person was talking about right away despite just getting into that line of work lmao i understand it's already a very long movie because nolan wanted to crowbar every single time travel concept he could think of into the movie, but that led to force-feeding so much exposition through a fire hydrant to get the audience up to speed in record time
Just saw Tenet yesterday. Great movie, but REALLY confusing, it makes Interstellar & Inception look like pre-school. Also, it's hard to hear the dialogue when the characters are wearing masks, gas maks, etc. The music, sfx, and scoring are great, but the mixing is horrible.
Nolan should be hired as the new showrunner for Doctor Who.
5'9" is totally average height...
I loved it. Would recommend it only if you liked/understood inception. This will be on another level of complexity so buckle up still
ive watched it twice. i think? its 100%un-followable. i like Nolan movies too. but damn.
Yes, you are absolutely right. I couldn't even hear it.