Best Rapid Trigger Keyboard for Gaming - Wooting vs Apex Pro vs Huntsman v3 Pro
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2024
- Which is the best gaming, rapid trigger analog keyboard- Wooting, Apex Pro 2023 TKL or Razer Huntsman V3 Pro TKL?
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Thanks so much wanted someone to make this video for so long
Waiting for this. Thank you!
This was great. I think I'm going to go in on the Huntsman, and I hope there's a good method for lubing the per-key stabs that those switches use lol.
Nice vid mate
great video my man, got all the info i was looking for :)
Great video!
I'm looking into this topic because of the upcoming Vulcan II TKL Pro release, good to known what other options there are. Thanks a lot for the detailed overview of feature set and accuracy!
probably not going to be even close to Wooting 60he or Keychron Q1. They have much more experience making keyboards and especially with rapid trigger. Roccat has never made super good keyboards and also the oprice isnt just right for what you get. If they get the quality, sound and other things right, they are almost quaranteed to fail at software that only few companies have gotten right with rapid trigger.
@@Jumbob What do you think they can do wrong with the software?
I've always liked the look, feel and sound of their keyboards. They are pretty expensive tho
Thank you so much u are the best! Thanks to you i was able to choose the keyboard i was gonna buy. One of the best tech channels ive seen .Owned yourself a sub
Happy to hear that!
thankyou so much
Thank you so much! Your video is really helpful. I appreciate your effort and wish you to have more followers in the future. I am absolutely not a bot btw lol
if sound and feel are your thing and you use your keyboard for both gaming and typing... there are other keyboards that have HE switches if you don't want to go down the whole wooting customization route, like the Zoom75, Boog75 and KeyChron Q1 HE (if you want wireless) are options to consider and are in this same price range.
Drunkdeer G65 and A75 sound and work better than all of those you mentioned.
@@user-ih5ze8xp1j Thanks for your mentioning those other boards, as they weren't on my radar - although work better and sound better are subjective. I tend to like different sound profiles, plate feel (bounce, flex, stiffness) and change up what I like across my keyboards (plates, foams, switches, gaskets, springs, lube and film all play a part). Right now typing on the Boog65 for the past week - the board feels solid, firm alum plate but not so much that bottom out feels harsh, the switches feel similar to L+F Tangies (which I like) and with the PE/and case foam it has nice "thocky" sound signature to me which again I like. So, far the performance of the switches and software haven't not given me any issues and work for me.... but again subjective to me ;-) - But, glad to see the hobby moving to more HE and EC boards of late.
Since you checked out those 3 and the Drunkdeer keyboard I would love to see a review of the new Akko MOD007B HE or the MonsGeek M1 HE-SP Rapid Trigger keyboard because there aren't many reviews of them from people that actually game
Adding to my list. Maybe I’ll do another video and compare more niche brands? Sound good?
Does the v3 have 2-in-1 keys depending on the press, perform one function or another, such as wooting or apex?
Please try the new KB65HE from endgame. I got one and it’s pretty amazing!!!
Can i run gaming mode without synaps on when i close the app gaming mode turns off and i can’t use it anymore even when i press fn+o
nice video!
BTW, im using the ApexProTKL2023Wireless and it happened the same issue as you mentioned in the video. Randomly ACTiVATING and DEACTVITING. but i set it to above 0.2, and it works fine.
I enven wrote a e-mail to Steelseries, but they answered me with the function of the Rapid Trigger, didn't mention any solution or point it was their firmware problem.
such a good keyboard and with a little bit dissapointment
Yeah it was kind of a surprise. I guess that’s the reason why wooting doesn’t go lower than 0.15. 0.2 is still great, don’t feel bad about it :)
0.1mm is a super super tiny sensitivity, it's no wonder when bottomed-out it could get accidentally deactivated no matter how much one swears that his finger never moves. I think Razer did something to their design to ensure that at bottom out, it doesnt get deactivated accidentally.
that seems was called deadzone@@deckstor1
I had to lower mine to 0.2 sensitivity. I have the same keyboard.
At first, I thought something was wrong with the board, well this video helped me understand what the problem was.
Even at 0.2, a minute amount of touch keeps spamming the key for no reason.
I hope SS fixes this bug soon, apart from that, I love this board.
Nice video and great analysis of the keyboards, specially the part with the micrometer. I just think you should mention the wooting also has per-key actuation points and per-key rapid trigger customization when you compare it with the razer at the end, as it might mislead some people into thinking it doesn't have that.
I didn’t find the per key rapid trigger setting :( I mean you can set it to specific keys but not change the sensitivity to specific keys
@@leizerg In Wootility you can make changes to the actuation point. Navigate to the Performance tab in the bottom bar and find the option to Set actuation point.
This is for actuaction, not per key rapid trigger though@@Ergooo
You should try the Arbiter polar 65 if you didn't yet.
The sound and feel will surprise you an the performance are top tier
Yep it’s on my list
I love my Wooting 60HE!
Hi, very helpful video. Is there anything else the huntsman offers over the apex besides the more customizable rapid trigger? I can get the apex for $50 cheaper and I don't really care too much for the more customizable rapid trigger on the huntsman so would the apex be a no-brainer pick at that point?
Hi! If it’s 50$ cheaper get the Apex. There’s nothing else apart from downstroke and upstroke sensitivity.
There are a bunch of other keyboards that are better for cheaper like the arbiter polar65 and the atk68. The apex pro is one of the worst built keyboards I've ever seen at that price only rivaled by Roccats products, it just isn't worth getting unless you really want steelseries or just haven't heard of the other options
Please try the new KB65HE from endgame. I got one and it’s pretty amazing!!!
Newst rapid trigger to the market
@@chadsugden411 adding to my list :)
@@chadsugden411 Optimum Tech tested it and it's not as good as the Wooting or the Apex pro
If you aren't on windows then the wooting is the best option of the 3, since it's software is usable pretty much anywhere vs the limited usage of synapse and steel series.
Fair point
I personally own a wooting and a drunkdeer, I would have to give it to drunkdeer for best bank for the buck, crazy performance at a low cost
Agree! Good value on that one.
Drunkdeer has a fair bit of issues though. I have the a75 and personally I regret waiting for better options to come out like the polar65 and atk68, I've had a lot of issues with it but was told that it's just a bad unit so I got a refund lmao. Good price though, still a crazily poorly built keyboard for that price though vs mechanical keyboards, the drunkdeer g60 for 70usd or whatever is a great deal tho
@@yhiz4757 Fewer issues with my a75 and my a60 than I've had with my 60HE. It truly is just your unit. I can't imagine thinking that the 60HE's key wobble is better quality.
i think when comparing prices you should compare the 60% razer v3 not the tkl
you missed a point which is Steelseries and Wooting firmware updates their products unlike Razer they didn't updated their old Analog and they just made whole new keyboard for a few features with insane price tag
They did update their old Huntsman with rapid trigger. Ali from optimum even covered it. It was a disappointment though, clearly not built for RT
The main reason razer doesnt allow it is telemetry, the analog functionality doesnt interfere with memory slots.
I guess it could be possible the storage is not big enough to save the profile? But they do the same thing with their mice. Some settings are never saved properly to the mouse so you are stuck and cant just ditch synapse.
There is a 3rd party app for rgb that works on most razer products without needing the synapse software running. But who knows what other features you'll lose but haven't noticed 😂.
I actually went and picked up a Huntsman V3 Pro TKL the day after wooting unveiled the 80he after being disappointed in the layout and so far I’ve been very happy with my decision. The Keyboard performs and looks great especially paired with my RVMSE
Same setup as I used to have ❤️
@@leizergwhat’s your set up now? I saw you had the RVMSE in the video
@@2141mario mouse is the same but currently paired with Wooting.
True, that 80HE layout is awful, only for people that use only the left WASD side. I've got the Deathstalker V2 Pro TKL and it is perfect.
@@madant7777 dsv2 is a pile of shit over time. battery doesnt work right, doesnt charge, keys stop working, volume wheel turns to hell its all fucked. Do yourself a favor and go another direction. Not even the newest firmware is worth a shit (mind you ive had 3 of these keyboards due to RMA) they simply reelased a half baked product as always
Realy nice vid.Underated Channel to be honest.By the way,can you get the wooting in white ?
Why ist it blue 😭
I don’t think you can but you can do some case swaps I think? And make it whatever you want
@@leizerg oh OK thanks ♥️
Can you make a comparison of the wooting 60 he vs the polar 65?
I’ll try to get one
@@leizerg alright thanks!
But can you mod and customize the Razer and the Steelseries? I think not...my Wooting 60he is fully modded and customized. Tofu60 case, foam mod, polycarbonate plate, upgraded to Lekker L45 switches, custom keycaps and it thocks.
Sure, but not everyone cares about that. Anyway, I mentioned the exact argument you’re bringing up in my comparison video.
@leizerg yep. I agreed with you.
I can't decide between wooting or Huntsman v3. Practical performance and convenience ( 6-10 hrs per day) which should I choose? Others review that the Huntsman v3's switches are solid and have a very bouncy feel. Does it feel uncomfortable when used for a long time? compared to wooting
Nope both feel good. Are you thinking compact or TKL?
I can use both tkl and compact. I'm just worried about the feel of switch because I can't test it.@@leizerg
Well I'd say if youre worried get Wooting. I didnt feel any difference tbh, maybe the Razer was a bit snappier, but both were really fine in the end.@@user-ts8kz6rx8z
@@leizerg thank you for your guidance 🙂
I own all 3 including full size versions of the Apex and Wooting as well. The Arbor Studios Polar 65 beats all 3 without question and is cheaper than the rest. Amazing hall effect switches and a heavy duty all aluminum case. Feels and sounds incredible
I hear a lot of good about the Polar. Might have to give it a try.
@@leizerg You don't be disappointed. All 3 people I know who own a Wooting 60 have switched to the Arbor once they tried it. If you want to mod wooting case you can get the same feel and sound of the Arbor but at that point you're in the $350 to $400 range. I have enough PC BS to spend my money on between mice, pads and stuff inside the case. I don't want to be spending hundreds of dollars on modding keyboards that aren't ready out of the box
as a Wooting enthusiast lackin your vast experience on keyboards / swithces / pcb etc i gladly pay the 179$ price tag for the Wooting 60HE willingly knowning that im spending at least half of the price for the No1 app ever designed on customizing / ease of use and lack of additional bloatware.. seriously Wootility is MILES ahead of everythin else.
@@kostistsiutras4373, The Arbor is on board changes. Personally I want adjustment on actuation per key and and control of LED's. Mainly to turn them off. The higher quality feel of the Arbor and better sound is what got me to switch. Now the Wooting with some mods, mainly a case swap and it's as good or better but I don't want to invest $400 or more on a 60% keyboard. If you need multiple profiles and macros the Wooting is the clear winner. Personally I use none of that
Please try the new KB65HE from endgame. I got one and it’s pretty amazing!!!
Newst rapid trigger to the market
did they change the actuation point on the apex ? i thought it was 0.2 - 3-8 but on the page i just found 0.1 - 4.0 ?!?
I can do 0.1, so I guess
Will you review VGN Atk68 too ?
If I can get one then sure, need to check if they ship to Europe.
@@leizerg Maxgaming sells it. It is same oem as polar65. From same manufacturer exactly same build. Only Polar65 has different color switches.
I just got the wooting after my apex pro turned out defective and I rly like it!
Another a bit newer option I'm still considering is the Arbiter Polar 65. It's $150 for stock and $125 without keycaps. It also has he switches and some say it sound/feels better than the wooting. It also has an aluminium case compared to wooting plastic one. The only downside I've heard mentioned is that it has no dedicated software yet. Maybe try it out?
It’s on my list :)
which is faster huntman v3 pro or apex pro tkl no the 2023 one the older one 2019 I think
apex pro tkl is faster
Good review but it is not flagging properly the downside of software for Razer and Apex needing their app to run and use PC memory at all times.... I hadApex Pro and GG was buggy and slow, plus keyboard turnt out defective... on wooting you got 4 profiles stored on keyboard and no need to install software on PC/Mac... in software compartment the wooting is years ahead. After owning an Apex for a month, I am a bit surprised about how positive it sounds the review here on Apex, which is a disaster... I can only vote for the typing experience...
Goat
Drunkdeer A75 on top
It's like a Sayo device oc3
No drunk deer😢
I just got my Huntsman v3 Mini today and the software and keys are absolute shit.
Synapse has a million restrictions and bugs, up to the point where it just crashes on launch until you hard reset the keyboard.
Every 5 minutes, a rapid trigger key that is COMPLETELY pressed, is detected as not pressed at all, making your character full stop until you completely release the key and press it again. Note that I used conservative sensitivity settings for WASD. 1mm actuation and 0.4mm RT.
Maybe I got a bad copy, but I am disappointed as hell.
I heard similar stuff about SteelSeries, so I'll try Wooting next. Their software seems a million times more customizable and actually stores the settings on the keyboard.
I really don't agree with the Razer being the most customizable.
I had different experience with the TKL version. It’s a bummer you got what seems to be a faulty keyboard. Razer allows for the most settings but if it’s not reliable then it doesn’t matter :)
I hope qc on Wooting is better. My copy works flawlessly.
Also never had a synapse crash or bug for me… but it’s just software so it can happen any day.
Either way thanks for sharing your experience, it’s important to have multiple views 👍
Theres a bunch of other options like the vgn atk68 and the polar65 (and drunkdeer but I have one and it's a bit mid). Apex pro is just a crazily poorly built keyboard, huntsman v3 is too but it isn't quite as bad. Wooting is good if you don't care about sound/feel but if you do then it's worth modding and getting raptor switches because stock lekkers aren't great
still wooting over the huntsman? i need tkl
Wooting TKL is coming soon I believe. Huntsman is great too. I am also testing another TKL keyboard which seems promising - performance is the same as Wooting.
@@leizerg which one?
@@ronald0122 sorry can’t tell yet :)
Good keyboards but i prefer not having to deal with software like synapse and steel series.
Yes I’m not a fan either :)
Just curious, why is everyone so against using a software to help make adjustments to your peripherals?
@@surge_8185 against using obnoxious bloated software, especially if it has to stay active. Wooting on the other hand has just a web site where you set your keys and that's it.
@@surge_8185 most of the time downloaded software will take up memory in the background when you dont need it, which can affect performance.
my 70aud temu keyboard sounds better than razer and steelseries lol
Polar 65 is my choice
I have the Yuki aim version
Try the akkos or the monsgeek he keyboard
which one is the fastest
Wooting
@@leizergno,the wooting and razer huntsman v3 tkl both have 0.1 acdutal point but razer has 40 grams of acdutal force and wooting has 50-60 grams of auctation force so razer is basically the same just has less force so razer is the fastest of all
Fun fact drunkdeer a75 is best rapid trigger for it's price
It’s very competitive I agree
Can I somehow get a discount on the Wooting 60he?
I think there was a small sale of Black Friday like 10% but other than that I think they never discount. Always on backorder
Oh okay. How long does it take to ship?@@leizerg
@@marsyyvfx mine took less than 2 weeks to get it delivered but I think I got lucky :)
@@marsyyvfx It took me 2 months to get mine
I've ordered 2 so far. Safe to plan for 4 weeks delivery after you order
the huntsman v3 has the worst spacebar i've ever tried in my life, awful stabilizers and it might get stuck if you press on the sides, the sound is atrocious as well.
Happened with 2 different units. Wooting is on another level and the software is 100x better as well. My 60he will serve me for many years. luckily i don't like tkl's but the new 80he looks awful.
Liar
@@MehffortToo bad every credible reviewer agrees with this, I guess we're all liars then ;)
@@Ins_FPS another lie, masked as an appeal to authority :)
@rtYou probably bought a huntsman for 250$ and you're trying to convince yourself it's good while you could have spent less for better products lmao
@@Ins_FPS nope, try again
Good keyboard vs shit keyboard vs shit keyboard
all 3 are built poorly but razer has shitty proprietary switches and apex pro is soldered. There are better options than the other 2 as well in basically every aspect
what the game on 10 minute
ModernWarfare 3
@@leizerg thanks
monsgeek m1 he, keychron q1 he. Youre welcome.
Not enough life to try them all out 😅
Wooting 80HE is not TKL!!! Its' right part looks awful. One more to skip.
Oh, and "enthusiast grade" just sounds like loud, obnoxious, stiff bottomouts that kind of sound like marble. They all sound bad, but we pretend it is "good".
Its almost TKL and the design will be change (i think) the kb Will be gasket mounted and you Will have the option to buy It with an aluminun (or some metal i dont remember rn) alloy
Sound is completely subjective
First
😁👍
@@leizerg can I use Steelseries prismcaps on Razer v3 pro tkl?
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 they should work yes it’s the same type of switch.
@@leizerg thanks
what are all these polar 65 comments are they bot spam
Don’t know but I’ve ordered one to check it out will let you know 😂
@@leizerg 😂
So I have the Polar and the "bots" might be onto something here ;) I'll share full review soon
@@leizerg excellent looking forward to it thanks for the update
Huntsman is shit